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Brother SRM wrote: The only plastic kit it makes sense to replace are Chaos bikers.

I'd say chaos bikes are more an example of the sort of kit that should just be reissued with supplemental bits.

poipo32 wrote:With the mention that many characters will make a comeback I can't help to wish for the return of Doomrider.
You don't make more batgak insane than Doomrider.

And Cypher.

You know. Characters they have models for but never did anything more with?

Part of me wants Mat Ward to write this book. I really want to play it, and I want crazy stuff.

Others may not agree, but I don't really care.

A new plastic Dread might also result in some usable rules for the bloody thing

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:What I want in terms of a replacement for the plastic CSMs is a kit that looks less like spiky mk7 power armour, and more like self-modified armour of earlier patterns. It'd be slightly more "realistic".

That would be a VERY cool kit.

Plus, GW would be foolish to NOT tap into the big Pre-Heresy market out there!

Including some older Mark parts on the sprue would be like... printing money!

True, that would certainly be cool. However...

... they need to plasticificate Havocs, Raptors and Dreadnoughts first. And probably change the Cult Unit kits, and maybe bikers too.

All sounds good to me!

I'm trying to not get too excited though, as this whole thread seems a little... less than substantial?

Alpharius wrote:All sounds good to me!

I'm trying to not get too excited though, as this whole thread seems a little... less than substantial?

Oh I completely agree (with all of your post), I was just trying to warn your good self that it may be a while before they can start milking that money-cow.

Of all things Chaos (and I operate a very large Chaos army of not only CSM but also Daemons and Forgeworld Renegade models) I found the Fiend of Slaanesh the biggest bitch to put together. Got so frustrating I just fused it together with a soldering iron. Take that metal.

Given that the Chaos Marine kit got recut with the last Codex, I don't see them doing it again so soon. Instead I see a box of 5 Thousand Sons and a box of 5 Noise Marines all in plastic in our future.

...that cost $35 a pop.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
And Cypher.

Despite coming from the Heresy era like the Chaos Legionaires... based on his background, he strikes me as more appropriately from a fluff perspective in the "Renegade" codex with Traitor guard and ex-loyalist chapters.

iproxtaco wrote:

Durza wrote:

candy.man wrote:I wonder how the Legion mechanics are going to work as mention in Kroothawk’s recent post.

I’m going to assume that “picking a legion” is achieved via selecting a special character however there’s always the possibility that it might be more complicated than that (given that World Eaters and Night Lords are restricted to 1 HS slot).

It can't be. Warbands are often amalgams of different legions, so unless they alter their fluff, there has to be the option for at least two legions.

Simple, Legion Rules. Every HQ choice must pick one Legion Rule, this gives access to special upgrades and units. Taking two HQ's unlocks further bonuses, or taking two different ones will restrict access to the better bonuses. The Special Characters come with a Legion Rule built-in, so Kharn would have the World Eaters one, Lucius would have the Emperor's Children one etc.

That's fine. I just don't want to have to take Lucius to play EC.

I am hoping the Chaos Renegades codex happens, because I have 62 Mutants, 15 Big Mutants, 60 Beastmen, 57 Plague Zombies and 106 traitor Guard that I would really like to have a reason to dust off.

aka_mythos wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:
And Cypher.

Despite coming from the Heresy era like the Chaos Legionaires... based on his background, he strikes me as more appropriately from a fluff perspective in the "Renegade" codex with Traitor guard and ex-loyalist chapters.

True. But Cypher was always the sort of character most likely to appear in both sides of things. And besides, a squad of Fallen always makes things fun.

"And Chaos players, do we have a treat for you! It's a dreadnought!"
"SQUEEEEEEE!"
"...Redone in Finecast!"
"SSSSSSSSSSS"

DarkStarSabre wrote:
True. But Cypher was always the sort of character most likely to appear in both sides of things. And besides, a squad of Fallen always makes things fun.

I'm not sure how appearing on both sides of things make him any less appropriate for the Renegade codex and more appropriate for a Legion centeric codex. Additionally he thematically makes more sense in the renegade codex, since he represents traditionally loyalist marines who have gone astray adding that flavor that even the marines we think of traditionally as heroes have faltered at times.

I'd be in favour of nine characters, one for each of the Traitor Legions, in the Legion codex, and Huron, Cypher and a few Lost and Damned characters in a different codex.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:"And Chaos players, do we have a treat for you! It's a dreadnought!"
"SQUEEEEEEE!"
"...Redone in Finecast!"
"SSSSSSSSSSS"

If any Chaos player ever says SQUEEEEEEE I shall personally beat them around the head with the metal models of Abaddon, Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman and Lucius in a sock to remind him what Chaos is.

SQEEEE indeed.

I don't know... squeee seems aweful nurgle... as in "awww gross he squeed all over me"... or is that slaanesh?

Well, adding to what was said earlier, I hope they recognise the fact that these guys are 10,000 years old and can match or better the best of the Imperium. Add to this, madness, warp exposure, tinkering with technology, daemonic possession, and a bit of John Blanche, then hopefully = immense.

A man can dream.

Kroothawk wrote:

ghost21 wrote:I know a lot of you have questions about individual units and legions. I'll try to address them all, however there are limits on how much I can get away with.

I'll say this: there are havoc's for marked legions.

Though each legion will get something unique to them, from force organization to individual units to HQs, for example Night Lords and World Eaters can only have 1 heavy support but get other boni.

Remember Huron has quite decent kit, so expect something like a 2nd ed list for him. Also, in some ways picking a legion will restrict you, there are a lot of chaos characters already in fluff so expect most to return ... plus a few new faces.
Who's the star of the show, huh? Now, that is something, I'll hold onto for a while.

Kroothawk:

Does it sound like the design approach to the new CSM codex follows the same path laid by the latest work -- i.e. more variety, additional options for customizing your own personalized armies, army-wide selections?

aka_mythos wrote:I don't know... squeee seems aweful nurgle... as in "awww gross he squeed all over me"... or is that slaanesh?

Slaanesh is the only area where I might consider allowing it, but I will still feel the desire to beat you with a sock of Chaosy goodness.

warpcrafter wrote:I am hoping the Chaos Renegades codex happens, because I have 62 Mutants, 15 Big Mutants, 60 Beastmen, 57 Plague Zombies and 106 traitor Guard that I would really like to have a reason to dust off.

You sound like me. Almost all my converted models went on the shelves after the LatD was no long good. The next best list was the renegade list from FW.

I'm rooting for Tzeentch to actually get to shoot psychic attacks in the update. One psychic hood or staff wrecks the entire army currently.

Well gotta admit that the Zerkers sprue really needs a dust off...

New sculpts for them won't be a Luxury, and we need plastic Raptors!!!

And hell i hope there will be skulls...lots and lots of them in thos new shiny plastic boxes!!!

A big ass skull head for the coming plastic Chaos Dread...

Also while i really am doubtfull about what Ghost21 says, i've gotta say that the perspective of having Havocs changing given the "Legion Trait" or Marks is a nice news!

Was allready fielding Havocs by 8 with MoK and 4Meltas/Flamers and call them Khorne's Theeths,but some new options and weapons would be good.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:What I want in terms of a replacement for the plastic CSMs is a kit that looks less like spiky mk7 power armour, and more like self-modified armour of earlier patterns. It'd be slightly more "realistic".

Personally I'd like to see a return, at least somewhat, to some of the old RT/2E Chaos Marine models with the definite HR Giger feel like this guy, because, lets remember, these guys have spent more time in the warp than current recorded human history, some stuff should be downright weird, not just spiky and/or old armor marks.

As cool as that would be, the Giger-influenced stuff would be a huge departure from the entire range as is. They'd probably need to start the line over to go in that direction, and there's so many portrayals of Chaos Marines out there in games, books, and 40k proper that I don't see it changing. I could definitely see some Giger elements becoming incorporated in new kits or characters though.

I dont think anyone in GW team is talented enough to pull Giger off.
At most what we can ask for is Dead space necromorph ish chaos stuff would still be nice :'D

Well, dang. I went back and checked ghost21's old posts and I am now convinced that he i talking out of his

For example, someone asked him around May if Hrud would be getting a codex and he said no. Next month, he started dropping strong hints about Hrud getting a book. Now he's all quietabout them again.

He completely discounted the Necron rumours that were posted on BoK back in May and have now turned out to be completely on the money.

He insisted that Sisters would not be in WD and then claimed that the WDs were reprinted after he had seen them.

He said Wracks weren't happening until xmas at the soonest just before their release.

This guy knows nothing. He's making reasonable educted guesses, nothing more, and he's caught with his pants down every time GW does something surprising.