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According to your record, you've played 15 games with your Orks. I doubt you've seen it all in 15 games.

Kroot Loops wrote:According to your record, you've played 15 games with your Orks. I doubt you've seen it all in 15 games.

haha, iv played 15games with this list iv played over 100+games with orks since the realease of the codex. The title kinda says it "my ork list that is 14-1-0." keyword is list... not army... But that could bring up a good point why a few of these so called "know it all" think im just talking about 15games with this army...


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Wow I did mention this in my first post and look i got a ton of people doing what I said not to I guess thats what happens when trolls get into things


Any Comments of how you think this list works/tactics I use or why YOU think this list sucks please tell me
I will probably get a lot of comments say, "oh my army would face roll that..." or "Your list doesn't have a battle wagons or biker nob list, it sucks..." Please don't leave a comment then because I know how to play a true Speed Freak army, just check my videos if you don't believe me

Mrhmm. Well, count me among the skeptics. Lists such as yours tend to crush mid level armies (Like that space marine army in your video that didn't have a single transport) but struggles against fully mechanized lists.

I'm sure your pretty good, but if you want to talk this level of smack, you've got to pull out the major tourney wins to back it.

Yea thats a fast army im not gonna dis it cause ill have to experience it (it has weaknesses but all lists do but i think at the speed you come is the saving grace that was extremely fast) your list is like the old school horde lists although like you said a anti-horde list army will be hard for ya i like the list hahaha all the stormboys makes me laugh and i doubt your'll see multiples of this list mainly cause the cost of all the storm boys. Its just a wall of pink/green coming at ya. And there are alot of ork players on this site im sure come morning your email will be full with reply's and the ork players are a fierce bunch around here.

Davicus wrote:LOL, I don't know about anyone else, but you definitely sound like a hilarious high school boy to me. Good luck to your spirit of 40k gaming.

If you win any GT or Ard Boyz (top 3 will be sufficient), please do let us/me know, so that I can shut up :-). Till then, you are merely an obstinate troll.

Can you pay form my expenses to go to these tourneys cause obviously a 19 year is still in high school...

Most of them will be satisfied if you simply demonstrate what your army can do via VASSAL. Sure, it's not perfect, but you have no real reason to refuse, right?

Oswitz wrote:

Davicus wrote:LOL, I don't know about anyone else, but you definitely sound like a hilarious high school boy to me. Good luck to your spirit of 40k gaming.

If you win any GT or Ard Boyz (top 3 will be sufficient), please do let us/me know, so that I can shut up :-). Till then, you are merely an obstinate troll.

Can you pay form my expenses to go to these tourneys cause obviously a 19 year is still in high school...

can't be that smart if your 19 and in highschool.

yeah,
I like the list.
I don't like the check boarding...

So your trucks are trapped by storm boys so they can't move first.
So your storm boys jump forward and leave a gap for the truck, then count on a good run roll to get behind the truck?
That's alot of effort to cheat a 4+ save for the trucks...

you could just drop a few storm boys and buy 2 meks with KFF and play fair?

Panic.

I completely agree with Panic. Couldnt have said it any better.

I used to play a similar list (without the stormboyz), and the largest problem I had was dealing with terrain, and keeping enough of my boyz alive to matter. That being said I do have 1 piece of constructive critizim for you. I would drop 1 boy and put the mek in the trukk, because at least that way you can use him.

Oswitz, have you run into some extreme Nobbikaz with the list?
I'd like your thoughts on how you would handle 2x maxed out Nobbikers with Warbosses. And please don't assume you'll get the charge with more than one unit at a time on any of the Nobbiker mobz.
I think Nobbikers are a nice example of a deathstar, and I don't see your list having the answer to extreme deathstar lists.

I've seen your vids on youtube your list seems boring to play against but fun to play. The list really does work its not complicated at all.

You do seem immature though in your non batrep videos but its a good list

Actually this guy wasnt genuinely interested in getting any serious feedbacks. Here he is posting his army list asking for comments, while on the other hand he is trying to sell away his 1750 army in youtube. If he is genuinely interested in improving the list, he wouldnt be selling them away. I have a feeling he is hoping for some pat on his head and feel good before selling off his army,which is pretty lame.

Oswitz wrote:

Gestalt wrote:

Oswitz wrote:It's in the rule book its like i have gretchin in front of my boyz and your firing at my boyz they'll get a 4+ cover save.

But you have unit A getting cover from unit B, and unit B getting cover from unit A. That just doesn't fly in a lot of places. How well would this list do if you didnt play that way?

Heres my thing about this game, theres no such thing as cheese, if you can think and make something overpower then more power to you, im using a tactic that isn't seen around and is hard to do in round two of it all

Its not seen because most of the time its illegal. Its not new at all and not hard to do. In fact its even harder with trucks because anyone with even an inch of height advantage ruins your cover.

I would like see a battle report of the vassal challenge in this thread. No reason not to accept it.

Pika_power wrote:Most of them will be satisfied if you simply demonstrate what your army can do via VASSAL. Sure, it's not perfect, but you have no real reason to refuse, right?

Vassal , and warhammer 40k have only names in common. Thats my who argument for that. Its like having someone say lets play Dawn of War instead of playing the table-top.

And i'm sure vassal has glitches/bugs in it, not like RL


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Panic wrote:yeah,
I like the list.
I don't like the check boarding...

So your trucks are trapped by storm boys so they can't move first.
So your storm boys jump forward and leave a gap for the truck, then count on a good run roll to get behind the truck?
That's alot of effort to cheat a 4+ save for the trucks...

you could just drop a few storm boys and buy 2 meks with KFF and play fair?

Panic.

who says my tactic isn't fair, because no one does it that often? It says it in the rule book, it doesn't say I can't


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rednekgunner wrote:I used to play a similar list (without the stormboyz), and the largest problem I had was dealing with terrain, and keeping enough of my boyz alive to matter. That being said I do have 1 piece of constructive critizim for you. I would drop 1 boy and put the mek in the trukk, because at least that way you can use him.

Now theres someone that has a postive idea.


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rednekgunner wrote:I used to play a similar list (without the stormboyz), and the largest problem I had was dealing with terrain, and keeping enough of my boyz alive to matter. That being said I do have 1 piece of constructive critizim for you. I would drop 1 boy and put the mek in the trukk, because at least that way you can use him.

I don't think I would wanna mess with the dividing up of my army into 1/3s unless I put him in the middle group on the table. But very good point sir


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Aleinikov wrote:Oswitz, have you run into some extreme Nobbikaz with the list?
I'd like your thoughts on how you would handle 2x maxed out Nobbikers with Warbosses. And please don't assume you'll get the charge with more than one unit at a time on any of the Nobbiker mobz.
I think Nobbikers are a nice example of a deathstar, and I don't see your list having the answer to extreme deathstar lists.

Why would i charge one at a time, when he put 700+ points in one unit. I would have to throw in a good amout of my troops and atleast one squad of fast attack to dwindle him down with that 4+ save and 4+ feel no pain. It would be extremely tough but I would love to see it in action, I'v faced against a an all biker army but he had no nobs just a massive amount of troops i think he had 6 maxed out squads with a warboss and Wazdaka


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daemon wrote:I've seen your vids on youtube your list seems boring to play against but fun to play. The list really does work its not complicated at all.

You do seem immature though in your non batrep videos but its a good list

Thanks for the "...but fun to play"

Usually who im playing against were joking around the whole time, its how I make it less " i need to win" and "lets play for fun, but serious"


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Davicus wrote:Actually this guy wasnt genuinely interested in getting any serious feedbacks. Here he is posting his army list asking for comments, while on the other hand he is trying to sell away his 1750 army in youtube. If he is genuinely interested in improving the list, he wouldnt be selling them away. I have a feeling he is hoping for some pat on his head and feel good before selling off his army,which is pretty lame.

This Thread sir wasn't to improve my list, it was so other ork players could ask scenarios and instead I got people like you throwing out random things about different armies that would curb stomp this list. When people say I ran a list like this, but with out the stormboyz.... what the hell does that mean. My stormboyz is a big chunk of my points. Its like Oh i ran a list like that excluding everything except the warboss. Not to get your panties in a bundle but your just one of those kids/man/girl/boy/what ever you are that have to keep fighting when something has already been proven. So if your going to post something again make it worth reading. Good day sir....

Oswitz wrote:
Vassal , and warhammer 40k have only names in common. Thats my who argument for that. Its like having someone say lets play Dawn of War instead of playing the table-top.

And i'm sure vassal has glitches/bugs in it, not like RL

Do you even know what VASSAL is? It's an online tabletop with images as models. It contains none of the rules, only the various tools such as a turn counter (managed by the players) and dice apps (sufficiently random). It's the same as playing on a real tabletop, only it's virtual. At least give it a go before you write it off. It's free, so you lose nothing. The only downside of it is the lack of ability to tell TLOS, but there may be a workaround for that.

Well, most people would say that two units magically providing cover to each other is a glitch in the rules, yet that seems to be a key point to your strategy.

Pika_power wrote:

Oswitz wrote:
Vassal , and warhammer 40k have only names in common. Thats my who argument for that. Its like having someone say lets play Dawn of War instead of playing the table-top.

And i'm sure vassal has glitches/bugs in it, not like RL

Do you even know what VASSAL is? It's an online tabletop with images as models. It contains none of the rules, only the various tools such as a turn counter (managed by the players) and dice apps (sufficiently random). It's the same as playing on a real tabletop, only it's virtual. At least give it a go before you write it off. It's free, so you lose nothing. The only downside of it is the lack of ability to tell TLOS, but there may be a workaround for that.

I know what vassal is and its nothing like the table top, theres a reason its called an online game, because it takes a computer to play it, keyword computer. I don't play a table-top game on the computer, its not even close to being the real deal.

Oswitz are you serious? Yeah you aren't moving actual models around but it's the exact same ruleset, it's the exact same game in terms of seeing what works and what doesn't.

If you don't want to play on Vassal because you find it boring, then say that, don't try to act like it's "not real 40k".

"Glitches/bugs" :(? What? You realize that you do everything manually right? It's just a sandbox with some tools to help you along the way (i.e notes, visuals, dice rolling).

Instead of moving your models 6" across the table, you move your model 6" across the screen.

Instead of cupping a handful of dice and rolling 10 hits, you use 10D6, or the application for determining hits and wounds, which applies to the RNG.

All this against an opponent that can be in the same room, across the country, or on the opposite side of the world.

I'm pretty sure that you *know* your army is horrible (why you're selling it) and you're simply not willing to let any dakka member play you and prove it. Lemme sweeten the deal. I'm sure you know what paypal is? Bring your ork army to me on Vassal for a game.

I'll make you a wager. If you can beat me, I'll drop you $100. If I mercilessly table you, you show up back in this thread with the proclamation, "Hey everyone...sorry for being thick-headed, I realize my army sucks now."

You're 19 and in highschool, and I'm offering to pay you about $50 an hour to play a game with me. C'mon.

Adamah wrote:Well, most people would say that two units magically providing cover to each other is a glitch in the rules, yet that seems to be a key point to your strategy.

Online there are things called codes and inscriptions if someone dones't put in a proper code while making the game that is a trick or tactic that a player uses he can't use it in the game, even though he uses in the table-top game and is legal. Thats what I mean Adamah... i'm going to make a video so everyone will understand what I am talking about here it is:




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number9dream wrote:Oswitz are you serious? Yeah you aren't moving actual models around but it's the exact same ruleset, it's the exact same game in terms of seeing what works and what doesn't.

If you don't want to play on Vassal because you find it boring, then say that, don't try to act like it's "not real 40k".

"Glitches/bugs" :(? What? You realize that you do everything manually right? It's just a sandbox with some tools to help you along the way (i.e notes, visuals, dice rolling).

So to improve in lets say football would be to stay inside and just throw a foot ball around... its to have the real deal, and incounter it from your point of view you don't get a 360 view all the time you only see the battle from your table edge, and I'm not going to bother playing Vassal, rather play the real deal like i have mentioned. So in other terms its "no i wont play you on vassal"

lol im just waiting for Dashofpepper to drive to your house.

Oswitz, you're making horrible misstatements about Vassal.

Football involves your accuracy, muscular strength, height, coordination....

Warhammer 40k takes none of those things. Vassal gives you a crow's eye view of a static tabletop. There is no automation, no coding - just some picture sprites that you move around on the table just like in real life. It is identical to a game of 40k in real life in every respect except for seeing another person. We even get on Skype and voice chat with each other to make it easier.

The ONLY conclusion that can be drawn from your unwillingness to get on and prove how terrible your list is despite being offered great pay for it is because you KNOW how horrible your list is, you're making up stories about your ability to win with it, and are desperately reaching for anything that would keep you from having to prove your ability to use this list effectively.

Dude, I will even give you a 50% bonus to points. 1500 points vs 2000 points.

Dashofpepper wrote:Instead of moving your models 6" across the table, you move your model 6" across the screen.

Instead of cupping a handful of dice and rolling 10 hits, you use 10D6, or the application for determining hits and wounds, which applies to the RNG.

All this against an opponent that can be in the same room, across the country, or on the opposite side of the world.

I'm pretty sure that you *know* your army is horrible (why you're selling it) and you're simply not willing to let any dakka member play you and prove it. Lemme sweeten the deal. I'm sure you know what paypal is? Bring your ork army to me on Vassal for a game.

I'll make you a wager. If you can beat me, I'll drop you $100. If I mercilessly table you, you show up back in this thread with the proclamation, "Hey everyone...sorry for being thick-headed, I realize my army sucks now."

You're 19 and in highschool, and I'm offering to pay you about $50 an hour to play a game with me. C'mon.

I'm selling my army so i can remake it themed towards a jungle/ tribal ork army with dinosaurs as there trukks. 2nd off you just said it yourself an application, 3rd I'm not going to play you in vassal, how about a better wager over the summer we both get off our butts hop in a car and drive halfway to each other so I can meet you in real life and beat you face to face and you can put $100dollars in my hand i'll actually give you $20bucks back just for driving and wasting your time.

End of discussion. lets both drop it and walk away from this knowing nothing got resolved. Our information that we think was right and couldn't come to a conclusion of who is correct, when we both know we are and need to actually have a game to resolve our differences, at a local store, not some online b.s. So if you do post another on this thread please, im asking nicely have something positive. Not some random I Can PROVE to you that your bad or blah this or blah that. Okay person on a computer screen in god knows were just waiting and trying to come up with a way to make you seem like your the alpha dog.

Dashofpepper wrote:Oswitz, you're making horrible misstatements about Vassal.

Football involves your accuracy, muscular strength, height, coordination....

Warhammer 40k takes none of those things. Vassal gives you a crow's eye view of a static tabletop. There is no automation, no coding - just some picture sprites that you move around on the table just like in real life. It is identical to a game of 40k in real life in every respect except for seeing another person. We even get on Skype and voice chat with each other to make it easier.

The ONLY conclusion that can be drawn from your unwillingness to get on and prove how terrible your list is despite being offered great pay for it is because you KNOW how horrible your list is, you're making up stories about your ability to win with it, and are desperately reaching for anything that would keep you from having to prove your ability to use this list effectively.

Dude, I will even give you a 50% bonus to points. 1500 points vs 2000 points.

*EDIT* Not driving to his house, but here's an alternative:

Dude, if you refuse to play on Vassal, you live 4 hours away from me. There are quite a few FLGS's around here. You're 19 and in high school; that leaves you free for weekends and also able to drive, right? Drive up here to NC. Play me in a game. If you can beat me, I will pay for your gas both ways, your meals for the day, and buy you a battleforce box of your choice from the FLGS we play at. I'll also arrange to have a judge available so that we don't run into any rule disputes.

You've not nothing to lose except pride, and everything to gain. Whaddya say?

Dashofpepper wrote:Oswitz, you're making horrible misstatements about Vassal.

Football involves your accuracy, muscular strength, height, coordination....

Warhammer 40k takes none of those things. Vassal gives you a crow's eye view of a static tabletop. There is no automation, no coding - just some picture sprites that you move around on the table just like in real life. It is identical to a game of 40k in real life in every respect except for seeing another person. We even get on Skype and voice chat with each other to make it easier.

The ONLY conclusion that can be drawn from your unwillingness to get on and prove how terrible your list is despite being offered great pay for it is because you KNOW how horrible your list is, you're making up stories about your ability to win with it, and are desperately reaching for anything that would keep you from having to prove your ability to use this list effectively.

Dude, I will even give you a 50% bonus to points. 1500 points vs 2000 points.

In real life i don't move pictures i move actual modesl that i can feel...

Man you have no idea at all what this list is capable of do you?...

I don't need to even read what you say, man you think im some young kid that has just started this game iv been playing this game probably longer then you have and have played in real life better players that you will ever get to meet, so again stop pushing me in doing something that I'm not, do you want me to video tap all my games even if the person says not to, just to prove to you what this list is capable of, do you want me to make my opponent feel uncomfortable and will never want to play me ever again? Lets just end this bickering for the love of god.


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Dashofpepper wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Oswitz, you're making horrible misstatements about Vassal.

Football involves your accuracy, muscular strength, height, coordination....

Warhammer 40k takes none of those things. Vassal gives you a crow's eye view of a static tabletop. There is no automation, no coding - just some picture sprites that you move around on the table just like in real life. It is identical to a game of 40k in real life in every respect except for seeing another person. We even get on Skype and voice chat with each other to make it easier.

The ONLY conclusion that can be drawn from your unwillingness to get on and prove how terrible your list is despite being offered great pay for it is because you KNOW how horrible your list is, you're making up stories about your ability to win with it, and are desperately reaching for anything that would keep you from having to prove your ability to use this list effectively.

Dude, I will even give you a 50% bonus to points. 1500 points vs 2000 points.

I'm not in highschool im in college... i was joking about that thread, and if we played agame it would be 1750pts, and I live in houston, tx and go to school in savannah, ga were i am at the moment. So if you are close to savannah then maybe we can work something out and we can both take pics/video just so we can show to anyone what really went down. But again say what ever you want, If i did meet you I would have to bring a friend just to make sure you wouldn't kill me after or before we meet. =D

*EDIT* Not driving to his house, but here's an alternative:

Dude, if you refuse to play on Vassal, you live 4 hours away from me. There are quite a few FLGS's around here. You're 19 and in high school; that leaves you free for weekends and also able to drive, right? Drive up here to NC. Play me in a game. If you can beat me, I will pay for your gas both ways, your meals for the day, and buy you a battleforce box of your choice from the FLGS we play at. I'll also arrange to have a judge available so that we don't run into any rule disputes.

You've not nothing to lose except pride, and everything to gain. Whaddya say?

I'm pretty sure Dash knows what he's talking about.

His list has few weakneeses, and none of them are Orks.

Snikkyd wrote:I'm pretty sure Dash knows what he's talking about.

His list has few weakneeses, and none of them are Orks.

I'm sure he does have a few weaknesses doesn't mean Orks are an auto win...

So to improve in lets say football would be to stay inside and just throw a foot ball around... its to have the real deal, and incounter it from your point of view you don't get a 360 view all the time you only see the battle from your table edge, and I'm not going to bother playing Vassal, rather play the real deal like i have mentioned. So in other terms its "no i wont play you on vassal"

How about we use an example that isn't silly?

Playing real Chess vs playing Chess online.
Playing real Go vs playing Go online.
Playing real 40k vs playing 40k online.

Oswitz wrote:In real life i don't move pictures i move actual modesl that i can feel...

Man you have no idea at all what this list is capable of do you?...

I don't need to even read what you say

Thats like claiming someone is dumb for using models instead of raising their own orks. VASSAL isn't an approximation of the game, it is the game, just with icons instead of models.

Its true we have no idea what this is list of capable with your claims, and so people would like you to show us.