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Oswitz wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:I'm pretty sure Dash knows what he's talking about.

His list has few weakneeses, and none of them are Orks.

I'm sure he does have a few weaknesses doesn't mean Orks are an auto win...

I meant other Orks won't be a huge threat to him.

I don't see what the big deal is, just post some reports or something. Please post proof of your strength against powerful lists rather than just explaining it.

Oswitz, I don't think I understand why you're not accepting Dash on his offer. You have more to gain than to lose. Playing against tougher opponents makes for closer games, which tend to be more fun. And that doesn't even include you winning.

"I don't need to even read what you say, man you think im some young kid that has just started this game iv been playing this game probably longer then you have and have played in real life better players that you will ever get to meet"

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Now I really do think you are “some young kid”. A young kid that needs to take a step back and see how immature he's being. Your 19? And in college? Cool story bro!!!

I'm 19. I'm in college. I guess I haven't been playing as long as you have... I have a good 2 and a half years of 40k under my belt. I guess I’m a noob compared to you. I'm pretty modest, I don't go around starting a topic like this and continuing to make myself look increasingly more unintelligent by countering arguments that you should just accept as true. Originally I wasn’t going to bother posting, but I was amused at your audacity to keep pushing it.

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"Okay person on a computer screen in god knows were just waiting and trying to come up with a way to make you seem like your the alpha dog" Are you joking? Good players teach me, Iv played against people that go to grand tournements and come in the top 10 and iv played against a person that went to the finals for Ard boyz last year and smashed his face in , i think I have learned enought to know when I can talk the talk, and I can easily show you that I'm not some scrubalub , if anything I'll teach you a trick or two." Trolling a bit there kid? Or just talking trash that you can't back up?

Your refusal to play a vassal game is understandable, he was just curious. I would love to get a vassal game in with more players. Your reason for not playing vassal is absolute bull. Sensing he can’t back up his trash talk?


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"So to improve in lets say football would be to stay inside and just throw a foot ball around... its to have the real deal, and incounter it from your point of view you don't get a 360 view all the time you only see the battle from your table edge, and I'm not going to bother playing Vassal, rather play the real deal like i have mentioned. So in other terms its "no i wont play you on vassal"

For someone 19 years old, this is a bit childish. Bro, I sit around and party at college. I don’t go and talk trash on Dakka Dakka, I have better things to do. I saw this and had to react. I don’t even post that much. I had to look up my password to reply to your blatant ignorance.


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I watched a few of your videos, I'm still under the impression you’re a theory hammer player. Yeah you might have trashed the kids in your local area, but I want to see you throw down at some GTs. Play vassal with the guy bro, play as much as you can. The only way to get better is to lose some games, find your weaknesses and figure out how to deal with them. Vulkan Dual Raider would laugh at you as it massacred your army off the board. How to beat that army with your Orks? I don’t know, why don’t you play against it on Vassal with some of the SoCal guys? Test it out.

And no, this is not coming from some “computer screen god” as you mentioned above. I also have some videos up on youtube, link is below. You might recognize it

http://www.youtube.com/user/Auxelli0n

I also dropped a topic on The Tyranid Hive,

http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=OtherGamesWorkshopstuff&action=display&thread=24457&page=1


That’s about it kid. Now I can wait for your rage response.

Dude, I don't like your list; it is too fragile. The Boyz squads are small and liable to break. Trukks are fragile, and Ork Mech lists that work have something to distract you from them. Without that distraction, even anti-infantry will shred Trukks.

Take Dash's offer.

Oswitz wrote:I'm selling my army so i can remake it themed towards a jungle/ tribal ork army with dinosaurs as there trukks.

Really? According to your video, you are selling your army because you need to pay for school stuff and the like. Hmm, starting to utter nonsese?

Oswitz wrote:In real life i don't move pictures i move actual modesl that i can feel...
Man you have no idea at all what this list is capable of do you?...
I don't need to even read what you say

Yes, we ALL don't, especially when I have played an almost exact same list before (just with 1 less trukk but a squad of deffkoptas). You are not the only kid on the planet who knows how to form a spam list :-). Try harder convincing us with what you have learn in high school

Oswitz wrote:It doesnt 2nd off you just said it yourself an application, 3rd I'm not going to play you in vassal, how about a better wager over the summer we both get off our butts hop in a car and drive halfway to each other so I can meet you in real life and beat you face to face and you can put $100dollars in my hand i'll actually give you $20bucks back just for driving and wasting your time.

Why not DashofPepper accept THIS OFFER and drive to him to play? Why does it have to be the other way round.


And i think this 19 year old school kid is pathetic as he in. Let's stop bursting his bubble and stop dismissing his list .

I won't drive to him to play a game because I know how it will turn out. I have no interest in driving 4 hours to table someone in two turns of a game so that I can say "I told you so." That is entirely too much effort, and honestly...beating up on noobs isn't brag-worthy; it doesn't even make me feel good anymore.

I prefer Vassal for friendly games because the opponents I can find on there from around the world are better than the opponents I have within driving distance. For tournaments, where money is involved; I'll show up in person and monkey-stomp the locals.

Back to the point though - I'm gainfully employed, I get paid very well for my work and my time is more valuable than money. $100 for a prize, $100 for gas, and $50 for food (say $250) is less valuable to me than 8 hours on the road. If he's a college kid, he's got time, but not money.

Hell - I'll make it $250 cash and a battleforce box. Drive a hybrid car and don't eat much and you'll make out like a bandit for a Saturday of gaming. All you have to do is bring your list against any of my take all comer lists and beat me. I'm not taunting you; its a serious offer. If you're THAT serious that your list is worthy that you won't take advice or criticism, and for some ridiculous reason aren't willing to spend two hours on your computer to make $100 at no risk because you demand in person gaming..

Then come see me. Bring a friend too. Tell your friend that you'll give them $125 for a Saturday jaunt a couple hours north. Split the cash with them. If you want 1750, that's ok too. If you want me to play 1500 and you play 1750, that's ok. Honestly, I just want to play you.

IF you are unwilling to travel, tHen you cant demand the same thing to others. How about you come over to London next week and we have a game>?? If you win, i buy you 3 battleforces + a return air ticket. Hows that?

So why has this thread gone almost 100 posts and has utterly deviated from critiques of an ork list the originator claims is good and the criticizer(s) think is bad? I thought the point of this forum was helping others better their list and make points about the strengths and weaknesses of said list. I think the helping portion ended about a bazillion (I can't count, I'm an ork player ) posts ago. If this thread is now about pride and personal critiques, maybe it should be moved from here.

Redeviating back to the thread's original purpose...

What was the list like before you got to this final form Oswitz? What made this list better than the other ones you played before as an ork player?

WarOne wrote:So why has this thread gone almost 100 posts and has utterly deviated from critiques of an ork list the originator claims is good and the criticizer(s) think is bad? I thought the point of this forum was helping others better their list and make points about the strengths and weaknesses of said list. I think the helping portion ended about a bazillion (I can't count, I'm an ork player ) posts ago. If this thread is now about pride and personal critiques, maybe it should be moved from here.

Redeviating back to the thread's original purpose...

What was the list like before you got to this final form Oswitz? What made this list better than the other ones you played before as an ork player?

Apparently the author doesn't want criticism. He's just waved off any complaints players have about his list with "oh I can deal with them through tactics!"

WarOne wrote:So why has this thread gone almost 100 posts and has utterly deviated from critiques of an ork list the originator claims is good and the criticizer(s) think is bad? I thought the point of this forum was helping others better their list and make points about the strengths and weaknesses of said list. I think the helping portion ended about a bazillion (I can't count, I'm an ork player ) posts ago. If this thread is now about pride and personal critiques, maybe it should be moved from here.

Redeviating back to the thread's original purpose...

What was the list like before you got to this final form Oswitz? What made this list better than the other ones you played before as an ork player?

The problem is he didn't ask for critique, defeating the purpose....


Don't know why he won't take your offer Dash, I would, but then again I would never get to the point of you wanting to beat me.

Hey, if this list can somehow take down LRs, good for you, we'd just like to know how?

What was the point of this thread again? Please reply fast because this is as good as locked.

DarkHound wrote:Apparently the author doesn't want criticism. He's just waved off any complaints players have about his list with "oh I can deal with them through tactics!"

This is not true after before the tenth message. Before that, everything seemed civil and nice. Then a few posters began giving a harsher critique to the list, and then the author began a stubborn defense of his list. Then an S10 hit from pride came along and popped the lid off the thread. Now everyone with two teeth are throwing their opinions into the arena and making this very hard *not* to want to critique the critiques about the conversations begun about the critiques.

Also, don't you mean taktiks?

EDIT: And now it is a hundred replies.

WarOne wrote:This is not true after before the tenth message. Before that, everything seemed civil and nice. Then a few posters began giving a harsher critique to the list, and then the author began a stubborn defense of his list. Then an S10 hit from pride came along and popped the lid off the thread. Now everyone with two teeth are throwing their opinions into the arena and making this very hard *not* to want to critique the critiques about the conversations begun about the critiques.

Also, don't you mean taktiks?

EDIT: And now it is a hundred replies.

Actually, there really wasn't a critique of the list until Dash's first post.

I don't no if its been touched on cause i skipped to page 4 to save time, but i believe that would need 2 troop choices to play, i don't play orks so i wouldn't no, if their is a special rule, or if a trukk counts, but from what I saw, you only have 1 troop choice.

He used an odd method of listing, he has 6 squads of trukk boys

oo ok

Something makes me want to say.... 'In before the lock!'

Anyway - Oswitz, just admit you wanted a pat on the back and don't really care what anyone thinks about your lists or tactics, or the.. let's just say unsavory shielding tactic that has people split about,
then all the blustering by you and everyone else can stop. You have no intention of Vassal'ing or driving to play anyone because you never wanted your ego to be challenged in this way. And as WarOne
said, you probably would never have had to show any weakness in maturity had you not gotten harsher criticism that did challenge you to back up your bluster.

You can recover from this by just being gracious even with your critics, step back, take a breath. They will too, because they don't care about you, they reacted to your apparent arrogance.

I thought your list was fairly cool in a lot of ways, but this is ridiculous.

I like the core of this list, but I think it needs some facelifting. And please, let's tone down the emotions in this thread. It's not really the best list out there, but lets not rage over it.

I mean, sure, you can take cover saves, but what if someone takes 3 Thunderfires, Deathstrike Misslies, or whatever ignores cover saves? Your whole tactic is based on those cover saves, and when you lose them I don't think you have much of a list.

And honestly, you seem to have a very inflated view of this list. Whilst that is an impressive win record (Certainly higher than mine, but I play casually) your list is quite fragile.

I mean, honestly, how will you deal with Land Raiders, Or Lightning Claw Terminators. What are you relying on? A cunning ploy? I don't see how that works at all. You don't get coversaves from 3 (Or 4, if they assault) S4 Attacks with re-rolls to wound. They'll out kill you and force you to flee, chewing up unit after unit after unit. Sure, you might get lucky with your Power Klaw and kill 2 or so Termies, but the sheer amount of attacks being thrown at you will simply outkill your Ork Boyz/Stormboyz. And Thunderfire Cannons/Whirlwinds will have particular fun with this list, denying your coversaves and leaving naught but dead Boyz in their wake.

Now I'm not trying to be rude, I'm not insulting you in any way, I'm honestly asking you how you will deal with these problems. People wouldn't be critiquing your list if there was nothing to critique.

DarkHound wrote:

WarOne wrote:This is not true after before the tenth message. Before that, everything seemed civil and nice. Then a few posters began giving a harsher critique to the list, and then the author began a stubborn defense of his list. Then an S10 hit from pride came along and popped the lid off the thread. Now everyone with two teeth are throwing their opinions into the arena and making this very hard *not* to want to critique the critiques about the conversations begun about the critiques.

Also, don't you mean taktiks?

EDIT: And now it is a hundred replies.

Actually, there really wasn't a critique of the list until Dash's first post.

There were critiques of the kind like "I run a similar list" followed by a question about a change, and then suggesting the Big Mek should have something added to make him better, splitting up the storm boyz yadda yadda yadda. You are right that Dash did provide the first thorough breakdown of the list, and then where the whole thread fell apart was when Zain60 began a really scathing comment about another poster's comment, and that is point of origin to which this thread became less about the army and more about the personalities involved. To be fair, Oswitz could of been more initially appreciative of the help he originally received in posts like Dash who are trying to help break down the weaknesses of the list.

But hey, looks like I drew myself into the conversation now and as much to blame as anyone else.

Point being, let's try and see if we can make this list better but keeping the original intent at heart rather than deviate.

Davicus wrote:IF you are unwilling to travel, tHen you cant demand the same thing to others. How about you come over to London next week and we have a game>?? If you win, i buy you 3 battleforces + a return air ticket. Hows that?

That's a pointless troll.

I offered him $100 to play a game on me with Vassal. No travel required, he could sit at his computer and game with me. I presume you read this and are just trolling?

Then, since he refuses to game over his computer and will only do so in person, I've offered to let him game completely cost free.

If you're going to reimburse my plane ticket, meals, hotel, and buy me three battleforce boxes for flying to London to play with you - I will. I made him the same offer.

Then again, you and I could just hop on Vassal and play. And if I win you could spot me three battleforce boxes. Realistically though, we can have a 40k game on Vassal easily, replicate a game on the table without the need for travel, and I'll make a wager with you about it.

He already pointed out why he doesnt want to play on Computer Screen but with real models. Did you not read that or are you just a troll?

Dashofpepper wrote:If you're going to reimburse my plane ticket, meals, hotel, and buy me three battleforce boxes for flying to London to play with you - I will. I made him the same offer.

Alright, I m waiting for you to come over then. Pm me for my address.

And the whole thing kind of spun out of control when weaknesses to his list were pointed out and the responses were along the lines of:

1. Nah bro, I laugh when I see land raiders and terminators, it makes it really easy, and the more they have the easier it is.

2. bubble wrap with lots of templates nah bro, I got the superior tactics with my storm boyz

3. Necrons? Psshht see my video for how I handle Necrons bro (see said video, no monoliths, no C'tan, nothing but warriors and a few destroyers standing in a line)

4. You just don't know the power of Storm boyz bro, check this video (Video of Marines, one dakka pred, one whirlwind, two dreads, and a bunch of marines with absolutely no transports, all deployed in a line as far forward in their deployment zone as they could.)

I've watched all his videos. in those, he hasn't handled a transport tougher than a DE skimmer.

It's not a rocket science list. It's sheer number of boyz at speed. It's a good list, but it hardly has anyone face palming and wondering how they never thought of this.

It was the combination of the presentation of the list as the most clever thing ever created, and then the dismissive attitude towards valid critique that began to grate, on my nerves at least. At this point, Dash has made, I feel, every reasonable effort to give the kid the chance to back his talk, and the kid won't take it.

So at this point, it's gg kid, nice list, it has weaknesses, but as long as you have fun playing 40k, keep on trucking

Damn Dash I would love to take you up on this offer,
Though Im in MA, and from what you have said you would probably monkey stomp me,
I like to bring the fluffy not just the fantastic,

Though when I saw this list I was wondering how it would counter valks and vendettas,

And I pity the fool when he faced immolators going 12 or hellhounds, Just crack the truck and light up the locals,

@ Kroot Loops

What an amazing name! And you LIVE ON LONG ISLAND! Dude, do you go out to Brothers Grimm at any time?!?

And I do agree he does present his point very well about how to execute his strategy and how his list actually works.

BTW, is there a thread in the tactics forum dedicated to his strategy to get the cover save? If not, there should be one.

It's an interesting list but it has some issues.

Please show proof when you laugh off the weaknesses that are being pointed out. Your reply videos are really lacking, no LRs, barely any transports, etc.

And now we have people calling each other out.

I find it funny when a powergamer has an unbeatable list and thinks he's the biggest badass around because of it.

However, I find it sad when a powergamer has a mediocre list and thinks he's the biggest badass around because of it (ala this thread).

Oswitz; why are you here? You basically made a topic just so you can increase the size of your epeen, while refusing to listen to any reccomendations that the community takes their time to give you. Then, instead of considering them, or even kindly declining them, you berate them and give no substantial support or claims to protect the viability of your list. Someone asked "how do you deal with Landraiders" and you said "oh Landraiders are a walk in the park". Is that seriously your mentality? If so, then I feel bad for you. Actually, I don't feel bad for you. I feel bad for the people that took their time to help you, only to be met with trolling and condecending comments.

The fact that you won't join anyone on Vassal or meet Dashofpepper is because you are afraid of being proved wrong. People have asked you to put your money where your mouth is and you back yourself into your little doghouse like a scared puppy. You make excuses like "it has glitches" or "I don't want to drive and waste my time" because you know you're wrong, but you're so stubborn that you can't even admit it to yourself.

I'm not flaming, I'm just showing you exactly what the entirety of this thread is, and to show you why even people on other 40k forums (I won't mention which ones) are laughing and joking about your antics in this thread. Seriously, dude, we are a community, and if we can't show a little respect to eachother than what's the point in even joining? Always try to keep an open mind, and do not get defensive if people try to give you some pointers and warnings.

Praise < Constructive Criticism

Davicus, I sent you a PM - I presume you have no objection to a neutral third party (such as a bank) holding the requisite funds that you're offering to be placed at my disposal pending a third party verification that I arrived in London, played a game with you, and monkey-stomped you?

=) That's basically what I'm offering him.

So put up or shut up. But either way, stop trolling.

Snikkyd wrote:

Oswitz wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:I'm pretty sure Dash knows what he's talking about.

His list has few weakneeses, and none of them are Orks.

I'm sure he does have a few weaknesses doesn't mean Orks are an auto win...

I meant other Orks won't be a huge threat to him.

I don't see what the big deal is, just post some reports or something. Please post proof of your strength against powerful lists rather than just explaining it.

Thats why I do vidz


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Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Oswitz, I don't think I understand why you're not accepting Dash on his offer. You have more to gain than to lose. Playing against tougher opponents makes for closer games, which tend to be more fun. And that doesn't even include you winning.

I don't like taking money from someone when he wants me to prove a point to him.

Dashofpepper wrote:Davicus, I sent you a PM - I presume you have no objection to a neutral third party (such as a bank) holding the requisite funds that you're offering to be placed at my disposal pending a third party verification that I arrived in London, played a game with you, and monkey-stomped you?

=) That's basically what I'm offering him.

So put up or shut up. But either way, stop trolling.

With a staggering 23 posts so far on this forum, I believe I am fully qualified to hold* those funds for you.

But that is pretty cool if he does do this for you.

And let's end the conversation by enjoying this nice video of a kitty being suprised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bmhjf0rKe8

*hold implies taking the money and never being seen again. Agreeing to this means you fully expect to be ripped off of all your money and will not think badly of giving this money away to another person.

Dashofpepper wrote:Davicus, I sent you a PM - I presume you have no objection to a neutral third party (such as a bank) holding the requisite funds that you're offering to be placed at my disposal pending a third party verification that I arrived in London, played a game with you, and monkey-stomped you?

=) That's basically what I'm offering him.

So put up or shut up. But either way, stop trolling.

Yeah, I ll put it up. And the person to stop trolling is you, because unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I don't see all this as BASICALLY what you are offering him :-).

@ warone i live 10 mins away from the brothers grim in selden i used to play there when i was little when it was called "Monkey head games" lol that place is so popular now i couldn't believe it when i went back up there. who else lives around selden? Swear to god long island has a abused amount of 40kers. There is a tourney on the 27th at the selden Grims.