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So how're the arrangements for the two games turning out?

Davicus v.s. Dash seems to be on hold due to a lack of a third party. (easy enough to resolve, but probably won't be)

Dash v.s. Ozwitz on VASSAL appears to be going along fine. Ozwitz appears to be exploring the VASSAL system. They may get a game in at this rate. Whether the $100 is still on the line is unclear.

Remember to hit "Save Image" at the end of every player turn and put it up on Dakka later.

DarkHound wrote:Remember to hit "Save Image" at the end of every player turn and put it up on Dakka later.

THIS

Pika_power wrote:So how're the arrangements for the two games turning out?

Davicus v.s. Dash seems to be on hold due to a lack of a third party. (easy enough to resolve, but probably won't be)

Dash v.s. Ozwitz on VASSAL appears to be going along fine. Ozwitz appears to be exploring the VASSAL system. They may get a game in at this rate. Whether the $100 is still on the line is unclear.

yeah i like it, as long as the third member isn't some random dbag, i rather try out a new list if i decide to play against him at 1750. But im trying to make a map and i don't know how to lol

Just use a premade map. There are some there somewhere. Possibly under Load Game? I haven't VASSAL'd in ages.

I recommend using your current list TBH. The point of this is for you and Dash to see the effectiveness of each others' lists. If you change your list, it's not the 14-1-0 list we've spent five pages discussing.

Oh, and I imagine there will be a few members interested in watching the game, so douchebaggery shouldn't be an issue for the third party.

I only play with my friends, so im not used to cheese or powerlists or elitist dicks, but i think your just exploiting what is clearly a gak rule. How can you have 8 stormboys standing wide out in the open, but because you have 10 obscured by the vehicle they get a nice cover save? Clearly nothing is obscuring the boyz you can see? My friends and i have discussed this before with the sucky idea of wrapping tactical squads around each other in wide open but giving each other cover saves, and its just.. Cheese. I dont think that your list is clever and it is a 'legal but not well known' rule. I think everyone knows the rules but they dont do things like this because its a shameless exploit and you look like a dick. If someone in my circle of friends tried it (they wouldnt) i would just tell them to stop playing like a gakker.

Oswitz wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Oswitz, I don't think I understand why you're not accepting Dash on his offer. You have more to gain than to lose. Playing against tougher opponents makes for closer games, which tend to be more fun. And that doesn't even include you winning.

I don't like taking money from someone when he wants me to prove a point to him.

I was thinking (it was/you'd say) that it had to do with ethics.

Oswitz wrote:

Pika_power wrote:So how're the arrangements for the two games turning out?

Davicus v.s. Dash seems to be on hold due to a lack of a third party. (easy enough to resolve, but probably won't be)

Dash v.s. Ozwitz on VASSAL appears to be going along fine. Ozwitz appears to be exploring the VASSAL system. They may get a game in at this rate. Whether the $100 is still on the line is unclear.

yeah i like it, as long as the third member isn't some random dbag, i rather try out a new list if i decide to play against him at 1750. But im trying to make a map and i don't know how to lol

PICK ME!!! Ohh wait...

Hey, Oswitz are you showing people your list or wanting some feedback? I've got a few suggestions, if your interested?

Oswitz have you seen my blog www.imperiusdominatus.com there is some ork tactica and posts in there which might be interesting to you.

Also, Dash Davicus I will offer to be the 3rd party. I live in Cannock, Staffs which is near B'Ham and will be happy to come down to London and watch and judge the game. If you worried about money handling I can have 1,700 people back me up as I own a large car club and take money from people for various reasons.

Then I'd be happy to play both of you - though I'm just up for a game, no wagers.

Interested?

Dashofpepper wrote:You're going to suffer EXTREMELY against even a bad Tau player. Even if you shenanigan around on the trukks for cover saves, the simple mass numbers of STR7 missile shots and ability to negate cover with markerlights, not to mention large blast cover ignoring weapons and hammerhead submunition rounds....

That's before we even get to firewarriors rapid-firing or puny kroot sitting in cover and protecting the rest of the army.

I disagree with this... I played mechanized tau at a tournament last year, and my first round was against a list very similar to this (except using KFF for a cover save, rather than stormboyz). He got first turn and moved halfway across the entire board with his trukks. I got a round of shooting in, and then he was on me.

Even with mass firepower and manueverability (from mechanized tau) if the orks get first turn it's almost impossible to avoid the tidal wave of green.

I just wanted to point this out. Maybe I'm a "bad" Tau player, but you said he'd suffer extremely even against one of those. Not if he gets first turn, imho.

Hopefully your vehicles all had flechette launchers?

Hopefully your vehicles all moved 7"+ and cockblocked his units from getting through to your suits / warriors / others?

Hopefully your Shas'o, Shas'el had an Airburst frag launcher?

Hopefully you had some flamers in there somewhere?

Maybe even a hammerhead with a submunition round?
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My Tau answer to a KoS rush like this one, or what you're explaining you saw in your tournament last year would be the meatgrinder. If you don't mech up and have troops on foot (and I'm a hearty gunline advocate), the solution is to use one unit of Kroot (or one unit of firewarriors) as a meatshield. You make a cube with your army in the corner. You surround the cube with a meatshield single squad that is meant to absorb an assault. You spend 2 turns shooting at the onrushing horde, then it smacks into your army and the entire thing gets....a single squad.

Then you spend an whole next turn rapid-firing warriors into the consolidated enemy and everything else you have before they assault again and get...the next layer of the cube. Rinse and repeat.

This isn't a specific list to build against this kind of enemy, just a different use of deployment. If you have a mechanized list, you can do the same thing. Castle up in a corner, deliver long range firepower, protect your firewarriors (drop them on foot for additional firepower) inside the castle, and use flechette toting vehicles as your castle walls. Heck, if you have piranhas - have them jump up the field and melta a trukk and let them get assaulted and killed, and flechette stuff on its way out.

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As for ongoing games:

Davicus obviously wasn't serious. I sent him a PM asking him to pick a bank. I'm obviously pretty sure he's trolling, so the next step here will be for him to pick a bank, let me know who, make funds available there, and for us to jointly call the bank to set up a temporary account / trust fund. We don't need a third party to hold money, a bank will do it. Whomever he banks with would be fine, would just require a new account. The purpose of the third party (ala judge) is to watch the game and tell the bank who gets the money. IE...if I win, I get the money, which covers my plane ticket and food/lodgings. If I don't win, Davicus gets the money back, and I fly home poorer for the experience. My wife desperately wants to go to England because she's a HUGE fan of Tudor history (I get monthly / quarterly begging requests for a vacation to England) so if I take us on a vacation to England, getting in a game of 40k while I'm there - its a win/win situation. I've got the vacation time that I need to burn, just got a $3000 bonus and have another $4000 bonus coming, will get some $10,000 back on taxes...we're all set. I just need Davicus to set himself up to uphold his end. Davicus, you don't need to show up here and flame anymore, just douse your pride and called bluff. If you were serious, the only thing you need to say next is the name of the bank and their phone number, the manager I need to talk to, and the account number you set up, and your phone number. A conference call will settle the rest - locking the funds, establish a trust manager (our third party....we can come to some agreement there) - we can use the owner of whatever FLGS we're going to play at that you choose. Round trip ticket is about $2400. I'd obviously pay for my wife myself. I don't know what hotel lodgings look like, but I'm sure you do. A single night is fine; I'd cover the rest for our vacation, and a food allowance. So seriously - get it set up.

As for Oswitz: Yep, the $100 offer is standing. He PMed me last night asking for a 1k game, but it was 11:30 my time and I was headed to bed. I asked him to get a game with someone else to learn the interface and to add me to his Skype friends list so that we could connect today. While I think I'll win a game between us, I've transferred $100 into my paypal account just in case. I'll try getting him for a game later on. Pictures are quite doable.

DashofPepper on Davicus: Unless he actually has the ability to pony up funds along the lines of what your business related/banking occupation profession pays you (of which you have substantial knowledge on which leads me to believe you either a. work in the banking business b. work for a job that deals regularly with wired transactions or c. found the knowledge via a primary or secondary source and finally d. are a psyker with the ability to read minds) I don't seriously consider his offer genuine either. Still, to be paid for a trip to England for a game of Warhammer sounds very much only for those who are either a. desperate, b. confident, c.modestly well off, or d. good at guessing lotto numbers which means e. are a psyker.

Dash v.s. Oswitz is going smoothly, the battle is pending.

Dash v.s. Davicus is accepted by Dash, now Davicus needs to put the cash up.

Ha. Psykers in real life! AH!

It seems to me that the OP just posted this list to gloat and cause conflict, denying anyone the right to give advice or help him with his list.

I don't see why we insist on continuing this discussion; it's obvious to me that the OP is immature, and overconfident, not looking for any advice or aid, just attention. Something thay I find pathetic, to say the least.

I figure if I didn't say it, no one would.

And yet we got to 6 pages, pushing seven. =p

I just like calling peoples' bluffs. Davicus could just as easily play a game against me on Vassal with his promised 3 battleforce boxes as the prize and save a potential $3000

I love that this is still going.


Only replace the words "I can't. This is important" with "I can't, I'm going to England".

*laughing* That's an awesome picture.

You should probably add an exclamation mark after the question mark when she says "WHAT?!"

It would express both excitement and wtf-effect.

Dashofpepper wrote:And yet we got to 6 pages, pushing seven. =p

I just like calling peoples' bluffs. Davicus could just as easily play a game against me on Vassal with his promised 3 battleforce boxes as the prize and save a potential $3000

No, he prefers real tabletop games, and VASSAL isn't the same.

Also, you're saying that with the assumption of victory. It's fully possible that you'll lose, and in that case, he wants you to have suffered by going out to England for nothing, as opposed to risking nothing and getting a chance at three battle forces.

Yes, it is fully possible for me to go to England and lose a game of 40k and get nothing out of it.

But then I've still gone to England, will be a hero in my wife's eyes because she's been begging me forever to do so, and I *do* have a bunch of vacation days that I need to burn before May.

If I bring my models with me and monkey-stomp a smack-talking internet tough guy while I'm there who pays for my plane ticket....its just the icing on the cake.

Its obviously a bluff and Dashofpepper who do you work for to get those bonuses at this time in our economy and so close together? Also if i was paying someone 300+ dollars i would want a real game to (Mainly for TLOS purposes) and a random judge (best 3rd party may just be going to a gaming store and ask who runs the tourneys there and pay them money to be the 3rd party or a person you both decide on to judge it that just happened to be around money seems to be not a problem so paying a random judge might be the best way to go.) but i doubt any of this will ever come to fruition. But the vassal game i would like to watch i do hope invites will be going out (mainly cause i want to see what Dash's mech orcs can do). Plus since im snowed in up here itll give me something to watch as i read about the exciting world of accounting lol.

I'm in sales - I work for salary + commission. Those are commission checks, not bonuses really and for work well done that I earned.

Tau can beat this list, but it will be a very tight thing. A lot of fast targets to take down, vehicles can't block the jump infantry, one one trukk making it through to tank shock could send your LD 7 Kroot shield to flee off the board (I've even seen one tank shock cause three Tau units to flee at once, but that's an extreme rarity).

Depending on cover, the trukks big shootas can whittle down the kroot shield.

However, if the Tau shooting goes according to plan, especially if they get the first turn, it's a beautiful thing.

12 Man Boy Mobs in Trukks tend to get pwned pretty easily in my experience. They Explode on a 4+ and take a few casualties, and then if they're not pinned you can hit them with something else or assault them with Tactical Marines and win combat.

My Space Marine List has a few Dreadnoughts and Ironclads in it, and they eat Slugga mobz for breakfast.

Well, orks are good at fielding significant numbers of boyz and well....variations on boyz. Even their vechikles are built like boyz. Against superior tactics/units, the ork player better be willing and able to lose lots to win or get really lucky against an opponent's rolls.

Dash...why dont you come to England anyway and everyone meeet up at warhammer world or something and have a mini tourny or something. I know that would be fun and interesting to see who in dakka is better than the other

Plus your wife will love you for it and we all live happily ever after

Oswitz and I are on vassal, and we're about to roll out!

Dashofpepper wrote:Oswitz and I are on vassal, and we're about to roll out!

GAH! Don't post here!!! FOCUS ON THE GAME!!!

BTW, good luck to you both.

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Battle report???