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Actinium wrote:Start swapping out 2+ savers and swapping in any ++ you can get in tac lists because your flgs is going to be hip deep in plasma weapons for the foreseeable future.
I still hate this thought that dark angels will become plasma plasma plasma. Such an annoying thing since it's a basis that only bears mark because of how much was stolen from them by the vanilla codex and its additional variants.
Hopefully DA will gain Chaplains that are actually upgrades to sergeants instead of just taking up an HQ slot (Except for the Interrogator chaplains after all)
Actinium wrote:Start swapping out 2+ savers and swapping in any ++ you can get in tac lists because your flgs is going to be hip deep in plasma weapons for the foreseeable future.
I still hate this thought that dark angels will become plasma plasma plasma. Such an annoying thing since it's a basis that only bears mark because of how much was stolen from them by the vanilla codex and its additional variants.
Hopefully DA will gain Chaplains that are actually upgrades to sergeants instead of just taking up an HQ slot (Except for the Interrogator chaplains after all)
I agree on the plasma - in 6000+ points of Dark Angels codex marines I think I have 4 plasma cannons (including those on dreads and Sam's bike), 2 p pistols and 1 p rifle... and honestly the pistols and rifle are getting replaced when I have the bits. If the rumors are true about Chaplains, I'd be thrilled.
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Actinium wrote:Start swapping out 2+ savers and swapping in any ++ you can get in tac lists because your flgs is going to be hip deep in plasma weapons for the foreseeable future.
I still hate this thought that dark angels will become plasma plasma plasma. Such an annoying thing since it's a basis that only bears mark because of how much was stolen from them by the vanilla codex and its additional variants.
Hopefully DA will gain Chaplains that are actually upgrades to sergeants instead of just taking up an HQ slot (Except for the Interrogator chaplains after all)
What exactly was stolen from Vanilla? If memory serves me right, most of what Dark Angel players like to claim for themselves (Terminator Armour, Landspeeders, Bikes and Attack Bikes) was first "stolen" by the Codex "Angels of Death" from the earlier Space Wolves and Ultramarines Codex, along with other things like Razorbacks, Whirlwinds, etc.. .
If you you want to return "stolen" stuff to the books that saw it published first, you'd find your Dark Angels without Terminator Armour, Bikes, Attack Bikes and most other toys rather quickly.
Actinium wrote:Start swapping out 2+ savers and swapping in any ++ you can get in tac lists because your flgs is going to be hip deep in plasma weapons for the foreseeable future.
I still hate this thought that dark angels will become plasma plasma plasma. Such an annoying thing since it's a basis that only bears mark because of how much was stolen from them by the vanilla codex and its additional variants.
Hopefully DA will gain Chaplains that are actually upgrades to sergeants instead of just taking up an HQ slot (Except for the Interrogator chaplains after all)
What exactly was stolen from Vanilla? If memory serves me right, most of what Dark Angel players like to claim for themselves (Terminator Armour, Landspeeders, Bikes and Attack Bikes) was first "stolen" by the Codex "Angels of Death" from the earlier Space Wolves and Ultramarines Codex, along with other things like Razorbacks, Whirlwinds, etc.. .
If you you want to return "stolen" stuff to the books that saw it published first, you'd find your Dark Angels without Terminator Armour, Bikes, Attack Bikes and most other toys rather quickly.
I'll simply claim the one that annoys me the most. The Mortis Dreadnought Variant (Double Twin Linked range weapon, most commonly known as the Double AC dreadnought) Which was given to them in the fluff, but was not given to them proper till an update (Which was quickly made illegal)...Than Matt ward gives them to the vanilla dex and now everyone has them (even though they AREN'T because its a specific variant for them) And is now the main issue with Psyflemen, and I'm just a sliiiight bit bitter that the Mortis Contemptor can be taken by anyone except the special variants.
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I'll simply claim the one that annoys me the most. The Mortis Dreadnought Variant (Double Twin Linked range weapon, most commonly known as the Double AC dreadnought) Which was given to them in the fluff, but was not given to them proper till an update (Which was quickly made illegal)...Than Matt ward gives them to the vanilla dex and now everyone has them (even though they AREN'T because its a specific variant for them) And is now the main issue with Psyflemen, and I'm just a sliiiight bit bitter that the Mortis Contemptor can be taken by anyone except the special variants.
Mortis Dreads were "given" to DA in FW-stuff only. FW is specificially there to "pilot" new ideas and new concept. That's the reason FW exists. It's whole reason of existance is to "try out" things outside of the "main game/main fluff" just so that it can potentially be changed (or discarded) later if designers choose to do so without creating continuity errors in "the main line". I don't even think the term "mortis" was ever even transferred into GW-main.
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Hate to burst you bubble, but the vanilla codex's rifleman is barely a Mortis. Sorry, I'd take double lascannons or missile launchers over twin autocannons any day. And Dark Angels are the only ones who get them.
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dont hate codex marines for taking a little of the DA shine, hate codex black templars, as in "the other space knights" codex, that codex stole alot of the DA thunder, all the effort made to show them as a diferent "knight" codex, should have gone into making the DA more unique.
Sword brethran, ignore the fact the the BT codex exists, try and tell me that unit would not go well in DA, crusader seals, blessed hull, hell even an emp champ (which alot of chapters still have, and should still have) would fit the theme of our knightly DA
Which assumes that Dark Angels should run a (crusading) "knight"-theme first and foremost.
I honestly never saw them that. Native-American-feathers-Deathwing aside, their schtick was always more monastic or mendicant order, not knights, repentance for past sins, rather than zealous crusading to liberate unbelievers, 15th century, rather than the 10th, Capuchins and Franciscans more than Knight Templars or Hospitallers.
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Zweischneid wrote:Which assumes that Dark Angels should run a (crusading) "knight"-theme first and foremost.
I honestly never saw them that. Native-American-feathers-Deathwing aside, their schtick was always more monastic or mendicant order, not knights, repentance for past sins, rather than zealous crusading to liberate unbelievers, 15th century, rather than the 10th, Capuchins and Franciscans more than Knight Templars or Hospitallers.
I agree. Only the Ravenwing prevent the Dark Angels from being a Codex Chapter. In fact with the UMs having Tyranid Hunters, you could argue that they are as much a Codex Chapter as the Ultramarines. However, unlike other Astartes, their loyalty to the Imperium is something that sidetracks from their main aim.
Ravenwing and Deathwing, the organization of their Companies with their "Veterans" being part of the Company unless they've been admitted into the Deathwing, etc...
Kanluwen wrote:Ravenwing and Deathwing, the organization of their Companies with their "Veterans" being part of the Company unless they've been admitted into the Deathwing, etc...
This can be said of other Chapters. From the Insignium Astartes, some white helmetted veterans remain part of their company (often forming the Captain's Command Squad) until space is available in the 1st. The Deathwings other unique factor is that they do not use Power Armour (disclaimer: based on background until now. Who knows what a new codex could do?)
Kanluwen wrote:Ravenwing and Deathwing, the organization of their Companies with their "Veterans" being part of the Company unless they've been admitted into the Deathwing, etc...
This can be said of other Chapters. From the Insignium Astartes, some white helmeted veterans remain part of their company (often forming the Captain's Command Squad) until space is available in the 1st.
Not really. Elevation to the Deathwing is based upon the individual being trusted and having performed great deeds; elevation to the First Company in many Chapters is based upon deeds alone.
By the by; per Insignium Astartes:
Veteran Squads are exclusively a part of the First Company of the Chapter.
Dark Angels Company Veterans are--at least for now--those who have not yet been elevated to be part of the Deathwing.
The Deathwings other unique factor is that they do not use Power Armour (disclaimer: based on background until now. Who knows what a new codex could do?)
We've been through how many Dark Angels codices now, and they've all had Deathwing being solely in Terminator Armor--excepting those individuals who lead forces into combat, where they either go to war clad in Terminator gear or Power Armor as they see fit.
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The Deathwings other unique factor is that they do not use Power Armour (disclaimer: based on background until now. Who knows what a new codex could do?)
Oh really?
Deathwing in Rogue Trader had Power Armor, WD129. Pure Terminator Deathwing started in the 2nd ed book.
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The Deathwings other unique factor is that they do not use Power Armour (disclaimer: based on background until now. Who knows what a new codex could do?)
Oh really?
Deathwing in Rogue Trader had Power Armor, WD129. Pure Terminator Deathwing started in the 2nd ed book.
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The Deathwings other unique factor is that they do not use Power Armour (disclaimer: based on background until now. Who knows what a new codex could do?)
Oh really?
Deathwing in Rogue Trader had Power Armor, WD129. Pure Terminator Deathwing started in the 2nd ed book.
DODcrazy wrote:
I spy, with my little eye, a Maltese cross....
It's likely the "elites" symbol that Marines still use. It resembles a crux Terminatus. Besides, Dark Angels do have veterans outside of Terminator armor, as you can use in their codex.
The Deathwings other unique factor is that they do not use Power Armour (disclaimer: based on background until now. Who knows what a new codex could do?)
Oh really?
Deathwing in Rogue Trader had Power Armor, WD129. Pure Terminator Deathwing started in the 2nd ed book.
I spy, with my little eye, a Maltese cross....
The Maltese cross was use to denote termi honors I belive.. a long time ago.....
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Slinky wrote:To me, the chapter symbols on their left pads appear moulded on.
I wonder if the starter set will really be so specifically DA, I guess it will
Look at Assault on Black Reach marines and then on Assault on Black Reach Paint Set marines. While both look very similar, AOBR marines have moulded tactical arrows BUT do not have a moulded chapter symbol. On the contrary, the AOBR Paint Set marines do have the Ultramarines symbol moulded on.
I guess it will be similar with the new starter set. No idea how they will deal with the tactical arrow, though.
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The "Maltese Cross" has pointy ends; not flat ones like that white Dark Angel there. That cross does look like the generic "Elite" symbol more than the true Maltese Cross of the Black Templars.
Slinky wrote:To me, the chapter symbols on their left pads appear moulded on.
I wonder if the starter set will really be so specifically DA, I guess it will
Look at Assault on Black Reach marines and then on Assault on Black Reach Paint Set marines. While both look very similar, AOBR marines have moulded tactical arrows BUT do not have a moulded chapter symbol. On the contrary, the AOBR Paint Set marines do have the Ultramarines symbol moulded on.
I guess it will be similar with the new starter set. No idea how they will deal with the tactical arrow, though.
Something like this? the new 40k paintset might be a tell tale sign of darkangels to come?
DA have had that sideways double ended arrow for a tactical symbol for as long as I can remember. It was on all the transfer sheets way back when . The new paint range 40k set doesnt even include a blue paint! Just colours for basic DA scheme, frankly I'm shocked to not see Ultramarines on the front of the box for a change.
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Something like this? the new 40k paintset might be a tell tale sign of darkangels to come?
DA have had that sideways double ended arrow for a tactical symbol for as long as I can remember. It was on all the transfer sheets way back when . The new paint range 40k set doesnt even include a blue paint! Just colours for basic DA scheme, frankly I'm shocked to not see Ultramarines on the front of the box for a change.
Yeah that's basically the analog here. And having a different chapter on the box isn't a huge change, it's just been Ultramarine-centric since 4th edition. Before that, anything goes.
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hehe, I know they were'nt always in the limelight. My first 40k army was actually Dark Angels when they had a joint codex with Blood Angels 'Angels of Death'. But they have been pushing the blue's as the posterboys of the SM for a while now havent they. Maybe shocked was abad word, Im also quite pleased to see the focus moving around again.
XmarvX40k wrote::. But they have been pushing the blue's as the posterboys of the SM for a while now havent they. Maybe shocked was abad word, Im also quite pleased to see the focus moving around again.
Which is a tad ironic I suppose when power wise Ultras are on the low end compared to SW and BA. Even within the SM codex, Salamanders took the cake
I am going to wonder how would the DA will fare out.
Something like this? the new 40k paintset might be a tell tale sign of darkangels to come?
....
I think this is pretty irefutable proof that Dark Angels are going to be in the 6th Edition box set. If this pic of the basic Paints box is legit (and it sure looks like it is) it would indicate that thiese are the paints GW wants new users to buy to paint their 6th Ed box set armies. There's no UM Blue at all, and the pictures are of painted DA.
Now the question then arises, based on the other colors in this basic paint set, does that help us figure out what the 2nd army in the 6th Ed. box set will be? Are any of these colors:
Chaos-y?
Necron-y? (Though if the UM aren't in there, it isn't likely to be The Fall of Damnos as some have reported as a possibility)
Something else?
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"Mephiston Red" - Perhaps Word Bearers? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone suggest them as the possible legion that would represent Chaos Space Marines in the 6th Ed. box set?
The plot thickens! (Though hopefully these new paints won't, as they age... )
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. The new paint range 
Chaos-y?