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H.B.M.C. wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Yeah because you never do that to anybody .

People who I insult know about it because, as Janthkin so keenly put it, I make no real attempts to be subtle.

I'm still amazed they haven't asked you to change your signature.



:dit: You apparently "deleted" this post before I submit this response. Let the truth be known!

ShumaGorath wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

focusedfire wrote:AAwww, Its cute when you resort to childish mispelling of a name in a vague attempt at an insult.

Oh FFS... I missed an 's' in your name because I was typing the reply quickly. I wasn't trying to insult you.

Yeah because you never do that to anybody .

FFS Shuma, its dead! Fracking drop it already and stop trying to be a flipping Necromancer of bad Ju-Ju!

Yeah, before this thread is locked:

Any thoughts on using a Banewolf? Use a hull heavy flamer, move 12" and then spray 2 heavy templates, since the chemical cannon is a defensive weapon (S1).

Could be fun.

Necromancer? He deleted it within ten second of my submitting the response. If thats necromancy I'm a pretty awful necromancer.

Yeah, before this thread is locked:

Any thoughts on using a Banewolf? Use a hull heavy flamer, move 12" and then spray 2 heavy templates, since the chemical cannon is a defensive weapon (S1).

Could be fun.

It would be a pretty good vehicle for back field objective contesting/taking. One of the neat features of the squadron is that you can tank shock with the front vehicle to line them all up then use your flamers against their newly repositioned models in a much more effective manner (or at least I've pulled it off once).

Sounds like fun from my end also, but I dont see it makeing up its points before its killed. I could be wrong, just baseing this off the rumors so far.

ShumaGorath wrote:Necromancer? He deleted it within ten second of my submitting the response. If thats necromancy I'm a pretty awful necromancer.

Perhaps I need to spell it out at kiddy level for you......


D-R-O-P I-T A-N-D M-O-V-E O-N!

Is it really that hard? Let it go dude. All you are doing is bringing another thread into a flamewar.

middle wrote:AAARGH missed one.

Death By Monkeys: There isn't a special mention for passing orders to a squad in a vehicle that your officer is in. I reckon it would just come under the 'Your vehicle is too noisy rule'

LOL.

"Your Vehicle is Too Noisy"
A brief interlude one-man show depicting one of the random restrictions in the new Imperial Guard Codex.


"What's that, sir? I'm sorry, I can't hear what you're saying!"
"What's that? Clean it down? Yessir, my melta is ready for your inspection! Clean as a whistle!"
"You're shaking your head no."
"Corporal Bleen is down, sir? Shall I vox the medicae?"
"No, that's not it, either."
"Sing it down? Okay, sir, I'll take the regimental hymn down an octave."
"Oh, sir, look at that, you accidentally knocked the cap off your head!"
"What's that? Break it down? Hm. I'm not sure how to do that with the regimental hymn. Oom-oom-chuck, oom-oom-oom-chuck, oom-oom-chuck, oom-oom-oom chuck!"
"Sir, why are you stomping on your cap?"

Cue music. Close curtain.

So, do I need to rebase all of my heavy weapons? I just realized I either missed that bit, or it was never answered. I mean, I can easily just base some generic large bases to put whatever weapons I want to on them, but if I need to I'll need to eventually rebase them all.

Any news of what models we're supposed to use for penal legion? Or will any ragged looking models do?

jp400 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Necromancer? He deleted it within ten second of my submitting the response. If thats necromancy I'm a pretty awful necromancer.

Perhaps I need to spell it out at kiddy level for you......


D-R-O-P I-T A-N-D M-O-V-E O-N!

Is it really that hard? Let it go dude. All you are doing is bringing another thread into a flamewar.

No I think you're doing that. HBMC and I usually just do single post snipes at eachother like the above and move on.

You might have to wait a while but I'm thinking new unit = new models. Call me old fashioned, but as a miniatures company that have books with 'rules' in them, I'd like to be able to buy some at an expensive rate Vs converting some up for ten times the cost of what they should be.

The artwork on the penal legion page looks like a bunch of empire flagellants with lasguns. Eg: ragtag / no shoes.

Thinking about that. It does mean we finally have a use for those over muscled plastic flaggellants. Catachan Penal Legion !!!

I have heard some craziness about the re-boxing of the ten man guard boxes. Said to possibly have bits to make vets / penals in there with the basic grunts. I doubt it very much though.

GW is known for making statements without including the little line "with converting and using spare bits from your bits box you can create.."

BrookM wrote:GW is known for making statements without including the little line "with converting and using spare bits from your bits box you can create.."

They had an army that was all about that statement once. They were called orks.

No they were called Lost & The Damned...

Actually I'm referring to the statements of GW where they claim that said boxed set can produce something special or obscure, and upon buying the said boxed set you find out that no, you can't. The whole "the new Guard infantry boxed sets will allow you to create penes and conscripts with the included parts" is most likely a selling stinger but I doubt anything new will really be included.

ubermosher wrote:Yeah, before this thread is locked:

Any thoughts on using a Banewolf? Use a hull heavy flamer, move 12" and then spray 2 heavy templates, since the chemical cannon is a defensive weapon (S1).

Could be fun.

Wait, so does the Chemical Cannon being Strength 1 mean it counts as defensive? If so, thats awesome.

middle wrote:You might have to wait a while but I'm thinking new unit = new models. Call me old fashioned, but as a miniatures company that have books with 'rules' in them, I'd like to be able to buy some at an expensive rate Vs converting some up for ten times the cost of what they should be.

The artwork on the penal legion page looks like a bunch of empire flagellants with lasguns. Eg: ragtag / no shoes.

Thinking about that. It does mean we finally have a use for those over muscled plastic flaggellants. Catachan Penal Legion !!!

I have heard some craziness about the re-boxing of the ten man guard boxes. Said to possibly have bits to make vets / penals in there with the basic grunts. I doubt it very much though.

Having used Flagellant bodies with Catachan arms I can safely say that the flagellant arms are much closer to realistic scale than the catachan arms. The Catachans are nearly double in size compared to the flagellants (they actually make the flagellant arms look weedy by comparison).

The remark about "tainted sisters" (Heresy!) reminded me that SoB pay 10pts for their PWs, and 25 for their pseudo-fists. I think this is notable in that Seraphim pay only 10 pts for a PW on a WS4 Str3 I4 Sv3+ model that has access to Faith, and yet they are rarely taken in favor of dropping 15 more points on a Str6 Chainfist. Likewise on the standard girl squads.
Now, you can't get a mass of girls with multiple power weapons like you could with guard, but SoB are a much more durable platform in general. They rarely run away from combat, and are going to take many less wounds in any given melee than guard due to power armor and a possible 3+ Inv save.
So if a PW on SoB is not worth 10 pts despite all their other advantages, is it really sensible to say it is worth it on guard?
Perhaps on the giant amoeba unit, but consider for a moment just how difficult it will be to get 4 power weapons where you want them on that 50 man mob. Were I attacking it with jump troops, it would be fairly easy to hit the side of the mob that didn't have more than one or two power weapons within 2" of contact. In order to ensure those 4-5PWs make contact, you either have to bunch together, or keep the PWs spread out such that every 8" or so has one handy. That might prove to be a neat trick.

I might be wrong, but I really think that at 10 points the big power weapon squad is merely "Huh, kind of funny" as opposed to 5 points where it becomes "Huh, that might be viable!"

I agree with you Wehrkind, to the extent that even if 5pt PWs were the hotness on amoeba squads, I wouldn't mind, simply because it's a genuinely expensive squad that is still really easy to kill. My response to the idea that if allowed, IG could have a good combat unit is: great!

I think at 10pts you'll see a handful taken in Creed lists to take advantage of "For cadia," but that's about it on models with two attacks.

Damn your sig, wherkind!

Biophysic wrote:
In the previous edition, 10 points for a power weapon would never be worth it on a Sergeant, and 5 wouldn't be either, even if it were legal, because there is no way a squad of guard could stand up in combat long enough for the power weapon to be effective. 5 point power weapons were doubly bad for officers, because they were independent characters, and wouldn't last in combat even if they were in squads larger than 5.

I disagree. Why could a Guard squad not stand in the fight long enough? Assuming that with "the previous edition" you mean the current codex, they're hitting simultaneously with Marines. Are we talking about standing up to 30 Orks or Harlequins (were a PW wouldn't matter anyways), or are we talking about counter-assaulting a shot-up unit that relies on its armour save?

Secondly, Officers aren't IC's in CC even under the current 'dex. Yes, they might die more often than not but perhaps taking down just one more enemy model with them is enough, and 5 points isn't a budget breaker by any stretch of the imagination.

foil7102 wrote:Meh, dont worry about ogryns, dont worry about conscript tarpits. Just buy a squad of rough riders, and kill what ever gets close to your lines.

Unless your opponent so much as looks at the RR. Most people except Ork players know what they can do, and Ork players don't care.

Polonius wrote:
The problem I see is that you still have a squad that isn't particularly good in close combat, can still fail morale checks (even though it's unlikely), and costs far more than a 30 man boys mob and would get slapped around by any dedicated combat squad that hit it.

It doesn't really cost far more. Your usual Ork mob includes a Nob, PK, bosspole, and a couple of big shootas. Also, the IG squad should not include autocannon if it is intended to charge/receive charges, or be better at shooting up those Orks for a couple of turns. Considering the flamers, there will inevitably be situations were this IG squad gets the upper hand.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Shumhammer 40,000 is a magical place.

Shumahammer is a place where people don't cry on the internet because they don't get to have a special crutch to lean on any more, a crutch that they didn't use anyway because it's pointless to walk around with.

It's not much of a crutch if nobody ever used it, nobody would still use it at 5 pts, and nobody would definitely use it now. I don't think anyone ever did or would use power weapons in a guard army as an unfair advantage to make up for some weakness elsewhere. The increase in power weapon cost has no effect on my army, but I still think it is stupid to increase the cost of an upgrade that nobody took when it was cheap.
And you are entitled to your opinion on all these things, but only in your world can you tank shock entire armies every turn with vendettas that are not tanks. That is what I was referencing, hence what I quoted.

Geez, he got a rule wrong, so crucify him cause no one else has ever gotten rules wrong before. Also, I don't think he was refering to 5 pt power weapons when he talks about crutches, that's just you making inferences with no basis in anything actually said.

I don't agree with everything Shummy said, but at least attack him for things that are real instead of putting words in his mouth and harping on a rule he got wrong.

Can you girls go off and have your little hissy-fit somewhere else so we can get back to garnering the insides of the new IG codex? Thank you....

Can you still have a deepstriking army list?

odinsspear45 wrote:Can you still have a deepstriking army list?

Not really. Only Storm Troopers, Valkyries, and Vendettas can Deep Strike.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Can you girls go off and have your little hissy-fit somewhere else so we can get back to garnering the insides of the new IG codex? Thank you....

Wouldn't be Dakka without all the drama.

Raxor wrote:

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Can you girls go off and have your little hissy-fit somewhere else so we can get back to garnering the insides of the new IG codex? Thank you....

Wouldn't be Dakka without all the drama.

Tru dat, yo. You take the bad with the good here.

Speaking of drama, middle, can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE prove this wrong!

From Warseer

Nuc;3411009 wrote:
The vox caster is 5 points, the only thing this is doing is to allow to reroll the test for taking in order. NOTHING more! No capability of transferring in order to a squat out of order range which is 12” for company command and 6” for platoon command. No capability for transferring the leadership skill, so you can not use the leadership skill of your commander. Actually you can not use his skill at all for any test even if you’re in range. The whole using leadership of the command squad is gone!

If this is true, there goes my last reason for buying this codex. And I'm sure, I figure I won't be the only one.

Vladsimpaler wrote:If this is true, there goes my last reason for buying this codex. And I'm sure, I figure I won't be the only one.

So you're saying you're going to give up on the book because your squads(which come with LD8 Sgts standard now) can't test on someone else's LD9? Why not just bring a LD10 Cannoness with LD bubble book if that's true?

Middle I have one question - how much for extra psykers in the choir squad ? And what are the ranges for psychic powers ( all 4 of them )

Also can command squad of any kind have Vox - and if so what does this vox in cs does