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I think this may be from a legit playtest codex, but not the final version...If the were going to make the Hierodule and/or Exocrine available for Apoc games, they might want to playtest it alongside the new codex. Especially if we get the Hierodule datasheet at the same time the codex is released.

Sounds reasonable to me. There's no way the Hierodule is acceptable for non-Apocalypse games. Even if it cost 500 points, it'd still be broken as hell. 16 S10 venom cannon shots per turn from one model? Where do I sign up?

I agree that this "leak" doesn't seem totally outlandish or wishlisty with the exception of the Hierodule and Exocrine, but still, have a look at the Trygon. It seems to me that the Trygon is basically a lock for the new Nid codex, but it still has a really impressive stat line. Trygons are basically huge raveners, right, so I'm assuming it's going to Deep Strike and have a huge charge range, too? I'm not sure how they're going to make that work.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe they'll be the unit to get the random table!!!

Hyper-Evolution - Right before the end of your opponent's third shooting phase, roll 1D6 for every second Zoanthrope in your army:

1. THEY DIE! ARBY STRIKES AGAIN!
2. They don't die, but nothing happens.
3. PINEAPPLE!
4. Warp Scream.
5. Warp Scream that only affects Space Wolves.
6. The die next turn!!!!!!!

Hey, its better than current Zoes, at least with that table there is a 1 out of 6 chance of getting a Pineapple...that is something I can actually use.

MilkmanAl wrote:

I think this may be from a legit playtest codex, but not the final version...If the were going to make the Hierodule and/or Exocrine available for Apoc games, they might want to playtest it alongside the new codex. Especially if we get the Hierodule datasheet at the same time the codex is released.

Sounds reasonable to me. There's no way the Hierodule is acceptable for non-Apocalypse games. Even if it cost 500 points, it'd still be broken as hell. 16 S10 venom cannon shots per turn from one model? Where do I sign up?

It'd be 8 shots, so only 4 hits on average. The +4 is for two sets of scything talons.

I agree that this "leak" doesn't seem totally outlandish or wishlisty with the exception of the Hierodule and Exocrine, but still, have a look at the Trygon. It seems to me that the Trygon is basically a lock for the new Nid codex, but it still has a really impressive stat line. Trygons are basically huge raveners, right, so I'm assuming it's going to Deep Strike and have a huge charge range, too? I'm not sure how they're going to make that work.

It'll probably cost 400 points, LOL.

Wonder if the Alpha units are HQ choices that operate like the HQ units in DoW II?

It'd be 8 shots, so only 4 hits on average. The +4 is for two sets of scything talons.

Oh, well that changes things completely. I was wondering what the +(number) meant. That certainly makes scything way more enticing.

Wonder if the Alpha units are HQ choices that operate like the HQ units in DoW II?

here's hoping this isn't a seriously ignorant question, but how is that, exactly?

In DoW, you can start with a Tyrant, Lictor Alpha or Ravener Alpha, and those affect what units you can field in your army.

So with that logic, the Broodlord could be a unit upgrade while the BL Alpha is the HQ choice that lets you field GS as Troops. The Ravener Alpha might let you move Raveners around...or field the Trygon?

Really just guessing here, and I'm not really sure what the point of a HT Alpha is. But the Alpha designation is curious, and it's not like GW has shied away from borrowing concepts for the DoW games.

Really just guessing here, and I'm not really sure what the point of a HT Alpha is.

Beyond being T8 and 6 wounds of synapse providing hardness? Well there was a rumor (same source IIRC) that a certain hive tyrant would allow warriors as troops.

Also this does match the 4 never before seen species thing: Trygon, Malanthorpe, Exocrine, Hierodule. Everything else has been in an old (old old) dex (magus) or is just a beefy version of old species (alphas). Of course that could just mean whoever wrote this wishlist was well aquainted with the rumors.

Xas' rumors sounds so wishlisty as to be unbelievable, but so did the IG summary rumors and they turned out to be pretty accurate. Then again I was fishhooked by that silly april fools day nid list

Why on earth would you ever want to be forced to take Tyranid Warriors to fill your troops slots?

Unless there's an unimaginably massive change to warriors, that's another one of those "hand your opponent a win" options.

That looks kinda insane, but so did the IG tank list, Sterngaurd Vets, and Thunderfire Cannon, as well as probably a couple things from the Wolves Dex.

Lessee... 4 New species... Trygon, Malenthrope, Exocrine and Herodrule... Check. All four would be big, expensive kits, makeing lots of cash. Or they could be awesome kits reserved for latter waves.

I will say that, tentatively, these rumours are possible.

Edit:
Carnifex could become "Horde" Monsters, taken in brod of 1-3, While the Herodrule and Exocrene replace them as the Big Brutes that smash stuff, and the Trygon becomes Fast heavy support.

AoD wrote:Why on earth would you ever want to be forced to take Tyranid Warriors to fill your troops slots?

Unless there's an unimaginably massive change to warriors, that's another one of those "hand your opponent a win" options.

A new take on the Nidzilla list that uses Warriors over Genestealers for troops?

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:That looks kinda insane, but so did the IG tank list, Sterngaurd Vets, and Thunderfire Cannon, as well as probably a couple things from the Wolves Dex.

Lessee... 4 New species... Trygon, Malenthrope, Exocrine and Herodrule... Check. All four would be big, expensive kits, makeing lots of cash. Or they could be awesome kits reserved for latter waves.

I will say that, tentatively, these rumours are possible.

I think they're unlikely but it would be nice for 'nids to have vehicle sized kits.

winterman wrote:Then again I was fishhooked by that silly april fools day nid list

Don't feel bad, it was a pretty well written dex. Had me fooled too when it came out.

bhsman wrote:

AoD wrote:Why on earth would you ever want to be forced to take Tyranid Warriors to fill your troops slots?

Unless there's an unimaginably massive change to warriors, that's another one of those "hand your opponent a win" options.

A new take on the Nidzilla list that uses Warriors over Genestealers for troops?

With the same toughness, the same save, 1/3rd the number of models, no fleet, and fewer overall attacks and wounds? Sign me up!

We don't know if Troop-slot Warriors (if such a thing will exist) will or will not get Fleet.

I like the stats for the Lictor. That would definately make them worth 80pts. I always knew the lictor needed more attacks, an invul save and another wound.....if true it has ws9 as well....eat that Marines.

gorgon wrote:Wonder if the Alpha units are HQ choices that operate like the HQ units in DoW II?

I think it's a safe bet that this will happen. I don't think Tyranids will get a huge suite of special characters (would be very hard to justify that), but they will get a lot of army-altering 'Alpha' characters.

AoD wrote:

bhsman wrote:

AoD wrote:Why on earth would you ever want to be forced to take Tyranid Warriors to fill your troops slots?

Unless there's an unimaginably massive change to warriors, that's another one of those "hand your opponent a win" options.

A new take on the Nidzilla list that uses Warriors over Genestealers for troops?

With the same toughness, the same save, 1/3rd the number of models, no fleet, and fewer overall attacks and wounds? Sign me up!

Points values, special rules, biomorphs and weapons kits are kinda missing from the summary.

But if you want some advantages over 'stealers, they're starting with a 4+ save...it's possible they have access to a 3+. It's also reasonable to infer they could carry melta Deathspitters. That has to count for something. And you don't get 3 'stealers for every Warrior *now.* It's more like roughly 2:1. If it becomes 1.5:1...things start getting interesting, IMO.

I'm thinking if this list is even 10% legit [4 gargant creatures I'm leery of as that'd make no sense (and I do realize H that you'll have a comment about designer sense) to release 4 units in a codex meant more for Apoc] that it IS possible for the Alpha's to unlock the respective Xenos subclass as Troops or allow extras.

SM's get Bikes of 5+ as Troops with Bike Captain, MotF allows 6 dreadnaughts, Pedro lets SG score (not the same in principle but the same in practice), Logan for SW allows WG as Troops so I could see 'Nids getting something similiar. Alpha Ravener allowing Raveners to count as scoring (can't see them as Troops really), Alpha BL allowing 'Stealers as Troops, Alpha Tyrant allowing Warriors as Troops.

Totally possible.

I think even just having a Trygon will make Marines and other Xenos fanbois cry "Favoritism" toward 'Nids by GW.

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4 Gargantuan creatures? No one's said that.

They've said four new species, not 4 new Gargantuan creatures.

That list posted lists 4 gargantuans that is why I take that rumored quick ref with a bucket of salt. One (Trygon) has more or less been confirmed though (as close as we can get without actual "yes it will be in the codex" confirmation).

Given that the Valk got downgraded friom Apoc Flyer to 40k Fast Skimmer, it's likely the the Gargantuans simply become MCs.

AoD wrote:With the same toughness, the same save, 1/3rd the number of models, no fleet, and fewer overall attacks and wounds? Sign me up!

How about some better armor saves and guns before you go and hurf durf?

Fateweaver wrote:That list posted lists 4 gargantuans that is why I take that rumored quick ref with a bucket of salt. One (Trygon) has more or less been confirmed though (as close as we can get without actual "yes it will be in the codex" confirmation).

Sorry to keep on about this, but what list listed 4 gargantuan creatures? The closest I've seen to that was the original rumour:

"-4 New Tyranid species never before seen in a codex, one of which will make the current carnifex "look like a dwarf"."

If you've read a different summary to the rest of us, please post it so we can add it to the melting pot.

I'm thinking that nids will perhaps receive a transport unit (yes i am aware of how ridiculous that sounds).BUT Malefactors supposedily carry other nids into battle so it seems reasonable to me that they could be included from that perspective. On the other hand, their huge and so im not sure it will be from amodelling perspective (having said that their doing a trigon?). It was just a thought really... =P

I know that one of the forge world models [one you listed above] does to transport but really, we dont wont it, otherwise we become just like everything else, just sick of copy and paste. Im happy to have something that allows more deepstriking thats written into fluff but im against any idea of a formal transport system.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:That list posted lists 4 gargantuans that is why I take that rumored quick ref with a bucket of salt. One (Trygon) has more or less been confirmed though (as close as we can get without actual "yes it will be in the codex" confirmation).

Sorry to keep on about this, but what list listed 4 gargantuan creatures? The closest I've seen to that was the original rumour:

"-4 New Tyranid species never before seen in a codex, one of which will make the current carnifex "look like a dwarf"."

If you've read a different summary to the rest of us, please post it so we can add it to the melting pot.

It's refering to this
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=2215&highlight=tyranid&page=7
about half way down on page 31. St 7 carnifexes would worry me. I agree about the transport thing, but at least in the fluff our transports had the other creatures hang on to the sides to get carried, kind of like the harridan with a brood of gargoyles. I seriously doubt they would include a heirodule in the normal codex but then I was thinking, what if the trygon kit could make a heirodule too? It would only need a pair of legs, different tail, and different head mount more of less. It would be nice if they included an appocolypse only entry with options to customize the heirodule. All that would be nice, but makes too much sense. I'm sure I'll have to make heirodule conversions myself like I was planning.

This is an incredibly long thread. & do forgive me if I am just repeating something that someone has already said.
However. I have just got back from my local GW in Birmingham UK. The guy in there said that we are to expect a Plastic Tyrant, with wings in the kit. A Trygon. The return of Special Characters & some boosts to the lesser useful Tyranids that exist (Biovores). He also said that the new Codex will be available to view in store from December.
That's my 2c.
Cheers.

bhsman wrote:

AoD wrote:With the same toughness, the same save, 1/3rd the number of models, no fleet, and fewer overall attacks and wounds? Sign me up!

How about some better armor saves and guns before you go and hurf durf?

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that unless they're getting a new model kit.

AoD wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't count on that unless they're getting a new model kit.

I mean that that's what they would offer over Genestealers: better saves and access to ranged guns. And, admitted I don't play Tyranids (yet), so what's wrong with the current Warriors kit?

Sorry, but I just glanced at this page and saw S7 Carnifexes? Gimme a break.

bhsman wrote:

AoD wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't count on that unless they're getting a new model kit.

I mean that that's what they would offer over Genestealers: better saves and access to ranged guns. And, admitted I don't play Tyranids (yet), so what's wrong with the current Warriors kit?

Genestealers with ranged guns? NO WAY!

Wow, way to misread.

bhsman is saying that warriors as troops would offer ranged guns whereas stealers have no range. That would be the advantage to warriors over stealers, even if the model count is lower.