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Hoitash wrote:
I like the metal models too, I just wish they had the full array of options, like, say, freaking inferno pistols for our seraphim, and power sword/plasma pistol combo for our Superiors, and condemnor boltguns would be nice, too.

At that point we may as well be transferred to finecast, and I'd prefer we skip that step if we can.

Was just looking through the GW website and the new Space Marine prices make Sisters seem like a bargain too! Been trying to 'Fine'cast proof myself by slowly buying stuff up

Thats 'Good news!' (TM) from Games Day. Even if we don't get actual points changes to units (cheaper sisters, etc) we hopefully get 10pt Heavy Flamers and 'Razorback' prices in line with the new Space Marine codex, that kind of thing. Oh and 15pt Eviscerators, that was always one of my main bugbears! If we get those changes my 1850 list will be about 100pts cheaper. Not earthshaking,but nice nontheless.

I will be purchasing this A) Because I will use it and B) To show support to the SoB line.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm probably in a minority in that I actually don't think we need a plastic model update. I love the current metal Sisters range, not one thing I don't like.

Are you forgetting the price? The Witch Elves and Dire Avengers are recognised as being obscenely overpriced, but that's the situation the Sisters have been in for years now.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm probably in a minority in that I actually don't think we need a plastic model update. I love the current metal Sisters range, not one thing I don't like.

Are you forgetting the price? The Witch Elves and Dire Avengers are recognised as being obscenely overpriced, but that's the situation the Sisters have been in for years now.

£32.25 for 10 lovely looking metal troops as opposed to £25 for 10 plastic tactical marines isn't too bad in comparison, plus an £18 plastic captain makes our HQs look cheap! Seraphims and special/heavy weapons are where it gets expensive although Ebay helps mitigate this [got 30 SIsters for about £50 and paid around £5 a piece for my Seraphim].

Not justifying GW crazy prices just saying that they aren't bad in comparison.

 evildrcheese wrote:
Spoke to Cruddence @ Games Day re SoB asking if the digital version is his WD dex. He confirmed it is, hes been involved in the writing of the warlord traits was the impression I got. He also told me they'velooked at the scaling issue for faith points and that there's been 'minor' point tweaks. Release date is for next month (October). Interestingly he said it'll probably be treat like a supplement in that if it sells well as a digital it's probably get a physical release. Spoke to someone from the digital editions stand and they confirmed it'll be for Android aswell as Ipad.

D

Thanks for the update - much appreciated

Scrub wrote:I'd love to see something along the lines of the Star Wars sand crawlers, enormous APC style vehicle with several decks and gun emplacements that lumbers towards the enemy front line, something fortress like and gothic which is then able to disgorge a hideously large amount of troops into combat.
It'd be like a creeping doom coming at you across the table as you try to frantically disable it.

Fortress-Abbey on tracks? The Ecclesiarchy has you covered.



However, I have a feeling that something like this would sadly be too big for both selling and deployment on a table ...

Troike wrote:Lynata has also suggested something like a big holy symbol on wheels, which would also be very appropriate. It could provide massive buffs.

I got that idea from the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" where the crusader army showed up with this huge golden cross on wheels: [movie image] [TW:M2 unit screenshot]

Obviously it'd have to get the usual 40k treatment - "dial up to eleven". Perhaps something like a huge golden skull that shoots a mega-melta out of its mouth, turning all heretics into slag regardless where they hide. A combination between high technology and relic; an ancient artefact from the Dark Age of Technology, recovered by the Orders Pronatus, that has been turned into a mobile shrine to the God-Emperor, complete with the must-have array of tubes and levers, and pulled by a dozen penitents - either human slaves, or chained Repentia. The latter you could cut loose in order to have them engage the enemy, but in this case the shrine would become stationary. Something like that?
... I should draw a sketch some day.

In the SoB superheavies thread, someone also posted this mini from Warmachine - but as cool as it looks, it'd be "another chair" like Karamazov, and it would be more of a Church unit than an SoB thing, with a Cardinal sitting on top. The chained serf is a good example of how I think the above "skull shrine" would be moved, tho.

tyrannosaurus wrote:I'm probably in a minority in that I actually don't think we need a plastic model update. I love the current metal Sisters range, not one thing I don't like.

You're not alone.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't actually think plastic minis would be cheaper - if GW were to just price metal SoB like they price metal Guardsmen. The only real advantage would be the ability to convert, but we'd sacrifice the weight for it. Not to mention a risk that any redesigns might feature changes we might not wish to see. Such as ... high heels, for example.

evildrcheese wrote:Spoke to Cruddence @ Games Day re SoB asking if the digital version is his WD dex. He confirmed it is, hes been involved in the writing of the warlord traits was the impression I got. He also told me they'velooked at the scaling issue for faith points and that there's been 'minor' point tweaks.

Mhm. Well, this means the Warlord Traits will be something new and unique then, at least. Also interested to see what they did about the points and faith scaling.

I don't want plastic sisters for the price, I want them for convertability. Building and converting models is the most important thing in this hobby for me, and multi-part plastics are great for that.

And that's a valid point.

It's just that I often see posts about people supposedly waiting for Sisters to go plastic because "then they'd become affordable". I think those gamers would be in for a rude awakening.

Yeah, someone crunched the numbers and figured price wise they'll be about the same either way.

As I said, I just want weapon options and maybe some convertibility; I have orks for when I wanna really go nuts, after all

I will miss the ease of painting the metal models though, even if it did take time.

 d-usa wrote:

I do wish that Apple would make a desktop iBook reader.

the next OSX is going to be ale to, so if you have a mac with with the ability to get the OS, then you will be able to.

 Lynata wrote:
And that's a valid point.

It's just that I often see posts about people supposedly waiting for Sisters to go plastic because "then they'd become affordable". I think those gamers would be in for a rude awakening.

Very true - the new Witch Elves are lovely and £35 for 10

 Breotan wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
It's the 5th ed codex with a Warlord table, re-released.

Sadly, I can see this being the case.

With a $45 price tag

Mr Morden wrote:Very true - the new Witch Elves are lovely and £35 for 10

Wow. Crazy.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
And that's a valid point.

It's just that I often see posts about people supposedly waiting for Sisters to go plastic because "then they'd become affordable". I think those gamers would be in for a rude awakening.

Very true - the new Witch Elves are lovely and £35 for 10

$70 Canadian... holy fething gak....

So it looks like it'll be just a slight points adjustment and additional warlord traits... Sounds pretty good to me. Although a more wide ranging update would be nice I'll be happy with this as I'm happy with how the codex works at present, and we can't expect too much anyway!

On the models front I am perfectly happy with the sculpts available at the moment. All the standard sisters and seraphim are fantastic models. I'd love some differentiation for celestians with a new sculpt and possibly an update for the repentia and some of the command models (sister dialogus springs to mind as probably the worst sculpt in the sister line). But hey I'm old school and love metal figures a hell of a lot more than plastic ones.

Looking forward to this update a lot now.

 AlexHolker wrote:
The Sisters are not Orks or Adeptus Mechanicus, and I do not think they should be trying to build a surrogate god like they do. I'd stick to the war church idea - a superheavy tank like the Stormlord whose carrying capacity is actually a small church ripped out of the ground and built into the tank's superstructure.

Hey, I said it'd look cool, not that it'd make sense.

Yeah, some sort of Cathedral tank would be more fitting. And very in line with the Exorcist.

 evildrcheese wrote:
Spoke to Cruddence @ Games Day re SoB asking if the digital version is his WD dex. He confirmed it is, hes been involved in the writing of the warlord traits was the impression I got. He also told me they'velooked at the scaling issue for faith points and that there's been 'minor' point tweaks. Release date is for next month (October). Interestingly he said it'll probably be treat like a supplement in that if it sells well as a digital it's probably get a physical release. Spoke to someone from the digital editions stand and they confirmed it'll be for Android aswell as Ipad.

Awesome! Thanks for doing this. We're getting more than expected, it seems. Nice to see them putting in the effort.

Well then, I'll certianly be purchasing this, and I hope that lots of others do too. I would just love to get a hardback SoB codex, even if it is just a stopgap.

 Crimson wrote:
I don't want plastic sisters for the price, I want them for convertability. Building and converting models is the most important thing in this hobby for me, and multi-part plastics are great for that.

Bloody this! I've had to give my Canoness a Phobos pattern bolter, since Godwyn-De'az pattern boltguns aren't exactly easy to get ahold of on their own. The ease with which one can work with plastics is just such a huge issue, for me. They'd also give us posability, which would be nice.

I'm curious about the SOB updated fluff. I wonder how many battles did they get curb stomped in this time around?

 l0k1 wrote:
I'm curious about the SOB updated fluff. I wonder how many battles did they get curb stomped in this time around?

lolbud. Their 5e codex isn't like that at all. They're the ones who do the curbstomping in that, Sanctuary 101 aside.

It's not even as bad as it's made out to be, anyway. Theyre usually portrayed as fighting well. The stuff about them constantly being slaughtered is just the usual Internet hyperbole.

With GW finally proving themselves able to make a good female kit (New Witch Elves) i'm actually quite excited when we finally get plastics.

 S'jet wrote:
With GW finally proving themselves able to make a good female kit (New Witch Elves) i'm actually quite excited when we finally get plastics.

The prices on the other hand have me worried.

Price wise I'd expect everything as normal tbh. (Price per figure any way). All the other armies have been moving towards our per figure price level, not getting cheaper.

Sisters are the only army i'd overlook price for. Especially if they came out something like this -

Lose the heels and we're on the right track.

 Crimson wrote:
I don't want plastic sisters for the price, I want them for convertability. Building and converting models is the most important thing in this hobby for me, and multi-part plastics are great for that.

And plastics give us more options, and they are WAY easier to transport. No weight issues, no pinning, no shattering when they tip over, etc.

That's kinda depressing. New digital codex is pretty much the same as the WD dex but with warlord traits, and way more expensive. Sales of the overpriced digital codex will determine whether or not Sisters get any future attention, which at the moment purely seems to be a physical version of the digital codex and not necessarily a real update. Not only that, but if they ever did get a real update, judging from newer kits like the SM release and the DE witch elves especially, it won't actually make collecting them any easier and if anything will make them more expensive than they currently are, not to mention that there's a very strong chance the replacement sculpts will be even worse, with much stupider design decisions.

Kinda makes you think it isn't worth bothering with at all then. I definitely can't afford to start a new army with $60 and $85 kits being the norm.

The sales aren't influencing whether they get any further attention, just if this gets made into a physical book. They've still got the plastics (which they've been trying to make) to come, that'll be the real update. This really is just a stopgap in preparation for the actual update.

 brassangel wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I don't want plastic sisters for the price, I want them for convertability. Building and converting models is the most important thing in this hobby for me, and multi-part plastics are great for that.

And plastics give us more options, and they are WAY easier to transport. No weight issues, no pinning, no shattering when they tip over, etc.

No more using your army to beat off muggers, or to crush people who mock it.


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 Sidstyler wrote:
That's kinda depressing. New digital codex is pretty much the same as the WD dex but with warlord traits, and way more expensive. Sales of the overpriced digital codex will determine whether or not Sisters get any future attention, which at the moment purely seems to be a physical version of the digital codex and not necessarily a real update. Not only that, but if they ever did get a real update, judging from newer kits like the SM release and the DE witch elves especially, it won't actually make collecting them any easier and if anything will make them more expensive than they currently are, not to mention that there's a very strong chance the replacement sculpts will be even worse, with much stupider design decisions.

Kinda makes you think it isn't worth bothering with at all then. I definitely can't afford to start a new army with $60 and $85 kits being the norm.

If you were any more depressing I'd have to recommend you call the Suicide Hotline.

 Lynata wrote:

Scrub wrote:I'd love to see something along the lines of the Star Wars sand crawlers, enormous APC style vehicle with several decks and gun emplacements that lumbers towards the enemy front line, something fortress like and gothic which is then able to disgorge a hideously large amount of troops into combat.
It'd be like a creeping doom coming at you across the table as you try to frantically disable it.

Fortress-Abbey on tracks? The Ecclesiarchy has you covered.

Spoiler:

However, I have a feeling that something like this would sadly be too big for both selling and deployment on a table ...

I'd no idea it was actually a 'fluff thing'! Awesome!

I'd better go read up on some Sisters background, methinks.
As for a potential mode, It could be the size of that recent Khornemower for tabletop representation maybe? Either way, I'd love to see them as a viable force on the table again with some updated models to do 'em some justice

 S'jet wrote:
Sisters are the only army i'd overlook price for. Especially if they came out something like this -

Spoiler:

Sisters Of Battle Katrina by ~hoxiaowei @deviantart

If the new plastics (or frankly finecast) has this amount of detail then i'd be totally ok with the price. Just means that i'll buy a figure a month and have an updated unit every year or so. Will definitely give me the time to paint them.

 Scrub wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Scrub wrote:I'd love to see something along the lines of the Star Wars sand crawlers, enormous APC style vehicle with several decks and gun emplacements that lumbers towards the enemy front line, something fortress like and gothic which is then able to disgorge a hideously large amount of troops into combat.
It'd be like a creeping doom coming at you across the table as you try to frantically disable it.

Fortress-Abbey on tracks? The Ecclesiarchy has you covered.

Spoiler:

However, I have a feeling that something like this would sadly be too big for both selling and deployment on a table ...

I'd no idea it was actually a 'fluff thing'! Awesome!

I'd better go read up on some Sisters background, methinks.
As for a potential mode, It could be the size of that recent Khornemower for tabletop representation maybe? Either way, I'd love to see them as a viable force on the table again with some updated models to do 'em some justice

I think that'd be a unit for Epic, if we still had Epic. Failing that, something for unusually large Armageddon games, say a gym floor for a playing surface and 50,000 points a side....