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 SilverDevilfish wrote:

IK should have never been made a codex. The 2 cool things in the army could have easily been delegated to Imper... Astra Militarium. At bare minimum, IK should be a dataslate. How many zealot, robot riding fanatics do we need?
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dude, did you SEE the IK update/FAQ?

it IS a dataslate now!

seriously, have a look at it alongside codex IK and see how much of it you need now...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


To put it another way: Old gak is old. Let go of it.

We keep telling SoB players that but they will not listen.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Why is everyone tonight dead set on trolling the SOB players?

Because it's entirely too easy... As if anyone has even paid attention to SoB since 1995.

SoB weren't even a thing in 1995, if you're gonna troll at least do a proper job of it and get your facts straight. I hate lazy trolls!

SeanDrake wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


To put it another way: Old gak is old. Let go of it.

We keep telling SoB players that but they will not listen.

And we keep telling you that just because marines are Red, Grey, Green or Blue they should just have one book with a set of special rules in stead of filling every other release.

A chapter compilation book would save a lot of shelf space. GW would also finally have an excuse to charge $75 for a codex

 Nyghoma wrote:
Sob should have never been made a codex. The 2 or 3 cool things in the army could have easily been delegated to Inquisition and Grey Knights. At bare minimum, SoB should be a dataslate. How many zealot, bible fanatics do we need? I call blatant favoritism in lieu of tits on GW behalf.

If Sob was an attempt at the market grab of the female persuasion, it was a flub. If they intended for that, all they needed to do is disrobe a few Dark eldar femmes and have them nag enemies to death. Or just seduce them out of their gear.

I feel the same way about Grey Knights. I felt they were waaay cooler back when they were only a daemon busting unit of Grey Knight Terminators that allied with your Space Marine or Imperial Guard army in a very limited capacity. Very thematic and "elite" compared to the filler we have in the GK codex. I mean, how many flavors of marines do we need? Blatant favoratism alright

I agree with others that GW just doesn't know what to do with SOB. I like the old metal Jes sculpts though, and wish they'd keep them in circulation, in metal, at a reasonable price. But yeah, that ship has sailed. I'm going to put my money on a dataslate as an allied unit or three a la Scions. Eventually.

 Cruentus wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:
Sob should have never been made a codex. The 2 or 3 cool things in the army could have easily been delegated to Inquisition and Grey Knights. At bare minimum, SoB should be a dataslate. How many zealot, bible fanatics do we need? I call blatant favoritism in lieu of tits on GW behalf.

If Sob was an attempt at the market grab of the female persuasion, it was a flub. If they intended for that, all they needed to do is disrobe a few Dark eldar femmes and have them nag enemies to death. Or just seduce them out of their gear.

I feel the same way about Grey Knights. I felt they were waaay cooler back when they were only a daemon busting unit of Grey Knight Terminators that allied with your Space Marine or Imperial Guard army in a very limited capacity. Very thematic and "elite" compared to the filler we have in the GK codex. I mean, how many flavors of marines do we need? Blatant favoratism alright

I agree with others that GW just doesn't know what to do with SOB. I like the old metal Jes sculpts though, and wish they'd keep them in circulation, in metal, at a reasonable price. But yeah, that ship has sailed. I'm going to put my money on a dataslate as an allied unit or three a la Scions. Eventually.

Completely agree, way back when, there was only one instance in the fluff that the grey Knights were deployed in force, and that was when Angron invaded Armageddon.

Should still be a single squad with options to upgrade the sergeant to a captain, librarian or grand master, and they should all have th paladin bas stats. No PA grey Knights, no vehicles no nothing.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
... there was only one instance in the fluff that the grey Knights were deployed in force...

That we knew of. To assume that because we've only been told one story that there is only one story is short-sighted.

The grey knights are an odd one, I did like that they were like a LoTD style enigmatic force. However I did love the Deamon hunters and Witch Hunters codex in third.

migooo wrote:
The grey knights are an odd one, I did like that they were like a LoTD style enigmatic force. However I did love the Deamon hunters and Witch Hunters codex in third.

Agreed. Now they're just marines with psychic powers, stormbolters, and power weapons. I liked them better in the original Daemon Hunters book where they had a unique statline and some unique abilities. And I say this as someone who played a pure GK force under that book (and, admittedly, lost almost every game I played).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

migooo wrote:
The grey knights are an odd one, I did like that they were like a LoTD style enigmatic force. However I did love the Deamon hunters and Witch Hunters codex in third.

Agreed. Now they're just marines with psychic powers, stormbolters, and power weapons. I liked them better in the original Daemon Hunters book where they had a unique statline and some unique abilities. And I say this as someone who played a pure GK force under that book (and, admittedly, lost almost every game I played).

I played a mixed Inquisition force under that book. Still grumpy I have to use three books to field that army now.


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 Peregrine wrote:

 Vain wrote:
I ask with genuine confusion, you are saying that since most of the SoBs have 3+ Armour and BS4 that they should be rolled into Codex: Space Marines?

No, it's more than than just BS 4 and power armor. SoB have the same bolters, the same melta guns (the default special weapon for MEQ armies), the same Rhinos, etc. In gameplay terms they're almost identical to a melta + transport spam army created from any other MEQ codex, just with a reduction in mostly-irrelevant stats (WS, S, T) in exchange for a slightly cheaper point cost per model.

Out of curiosity, have you read the Sisters of Battle Codex?

One reassuring thing for SOB is they keep getting a background section in the core rulebook. I figure as long as they do that, we're at least not gonna get Squatted. But "allowed to exist" is a long ways from "new models."

I agree with you on that. But saying that SoB are just female space marines is really irritating.

I've put of doing a new army because I want plastic SoB so badly. However I've come to the bitter resolution that it will never happen.

If this skitari army happens and that's a huge if ill get a really small force as AM were my wish army before SoB got rejected by GW like they are.

Is this an SOB thread now... again? Nope, there is plenty of GK talk. I'm waiting for the AdMech posts though.

Well, it seems like rumors are flowing at the usual suspect sites. But how often do we get weapon profile info months in advance anymore? That alone makes me skeptical.

Again, I'm all in favor of letting the rumors flow, but I'm not taking these very seriously.

It's Faeit212, I never know whether to take that serious or not.

 Lockark wrote:
Why is everyone tonight dead set on trolling the SOB players?

Because we want to scare you back to your own thread
If someone could just mail Natfka, he would immediately make a new post and we could open a rumour thread for your army.

Not sure, didn't we get the ice cannon for SW in advance?

I'm being honest here if this is true, damn i will be buying some

Mechanicus is pretty cool but i dont have the time/desire to buy forgeworld and play 30k

 gorgon wrote:
....I'm all in favor of letting the rumors flow...

Gorgon cares not whence the rumors flow, only that they flow. Rumors for the Rumor God! Leaks for the Leak Throne!

migooo wrote:
I agree with you on that. But saying that SoB are just female space marines is really irritating.

I've put of doing a new army because I want plastic SoB so badly. However I've come to the bitter resolution that it will never happen.

If this skitari army happens and that's a huge if ill get a really small force as AM were my wish army before SoB got rejected by GW like they are.

Yeah lets be honest the more like female guard than marines. I am pretty sure that the SoB are considered something of an embarrassment by GW and if they had not become an integral part of the fluff (someone has to get slaughtered to make the new dexs look good) they would have been dropped long ago.

SeanDrake wrote:

migooo wrote:
I agree with you on that. But saying that SoB are just female space marines is really irritating.

I've put of doing a new army because I want plastic SoB so badly. However I've come to the bitter resolution that it will never happen.

If this skitari army happens and that's a huge if ill get a really small force as AM were my wish army before SoB got rejected by GW like they are.

Yeah lets be honest the more like female guard than marines. I am pretty sure that the SoB are considered something of an embarrassment by GW and if they had not become an integral part of the fluff (someone has to get slaughtered to make the new dexs look good) they would have been dropped long ago.

Then SoB would have been squated in the similar fashion to Gensteeler cults and Kroot mercenaries where, they never updated the rules and let them die in the way side. If GW are embarrassed by the SoB they why would they keep updating the rules for them.

I've clicked on this thread numerous times in the last couple of days praying for some actual ad mech news. What do I find? More SoB talk, I'm not normally one to complain but can it not move into another thread now? Please?!

Edit: And before you say it, yeah, we are also cluttering the thread up by complaining about the people complaining about SoB. It can't be helped!

 Commander Cain wrote:
I've clicked on this thread numerous times in the last couple of days praying for some actual ad mech news. What do I find? More SoB talk, I'm not normally one to complain but can it not move into another thread now? Please?!

Edit: And before you say it, yeah, we are also cluttering the thread up by complaining about the people complaining about SoB. It can't be helped!

You can put 100% blame on this post.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
In perfect honesty if they do make Skitarii (which I hope they do) I feel like GW might just end up dropping SOB all together.

As for Ad-Mech what I got from the rumors is that there is a good chance that they are at least a good ways out to a possible release (perhaps a year or so) "The new faction is in fact Ad Mech, Skitarii. As far as I know this is still a ways out, but who knows. "

A new faction? Yes, please.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
If I can ally them if Necrons, I will be very happy.
I want the machine-cultists that were hinted back in 3rd ed, dammit.

One thing that they will never be able to do is ally with Necrons. They for sure will be cometh the apocalypse.

One of the very rules of the Mechanicum is that a soul-less machine is the very anathema of existence and therefore Necrons are basically a no go

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And Sensei!

Come on GW!

I think that has been retconned into the new "Perpetual" thing they got going on right now with the Horus Heresy.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
If I can ally them if Necrons, I will be very happy.
I want the machine-cultists that were hinted back in 3rd ed, dammit.

They'd just fall under the Imperium for allies, I'd reckon.

Hey guys why don't sob get their own thread section where the haters and lovers of them can bitch about.
And so stop going off point in every rumors thread.

Jedziah wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
If I can ally them if Necrons, I will be very happy.
I want the machine-cultists that were hinted back in 3rd ed, dammit.

One thing that they will never be able to do is ally with Necrons. They for sure will be cometh the apocalypse.

One of the very rules of the Mechanicum is that a soul-less machine is the very anathema of existence and therefore Necrons are basically a no go

You never read the 3rd ed Necron codex, it seems

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jedziah wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
If I can ally them if Necrons, I will be very happy.
I want the machine-cultists that were hinted back in 3rd ed, dammit.

One thing that they will never be able to do is ally with Necrons. They for sure will be cometh the apocalypse.

One of the very rules of the Mechanicum is that a soul-less machine is the very anathema of existence and therefore Necrons are basically a no go

You never read the 3rd ed Necron codex, it seems

And all the fluff since that mentions the cult of the Dragon