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So, it was the Golden Bananas, after all.. I have to say those jetbikes look nice. It's also cool to see Imperial Jetbikes make a comeback for 40k, even if it's just for the "elite of the elite"
It's also cool that the Custodes will get to use their toys from 30k, making their Forge World stuff even more useful.
If I could paint worth a damn, I would serious consider building an army Golden Bananas.
Secondly, boo, more imperium and more power armor. Ah well, guess I'll make a post on their FB to get another Canned Response about waiting and seeing for my GSC.
PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
So, it was the Golden Bananas, after all.. I have to say those jetbikes look nice. It's also cool to see Imperial Jetbikes make a comeback for 40k, even if it's just for the "elite of the elite"
It's also cool that the Custodes will get to use their toys from 30k, making their Forge World stuff even more useful.
If I could paint worth a damn, I would serious consider building an army Golden Bananas.
There are some easy methods to paint gold! You can do it, I believe in you.
Secondly, boo, more imperium and more power armor. Ah well, guess I'll make a post on their FB to get another Canned Response about waiting and seeing for my GSC.
Wasn't the last codex dropped a chaos one?
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Secondly, boo, more imperium and more power armor. Ah well, guess I'll make a post on their FB to get another Canned Response about waiting and seeing for my GSC.
Wasn't the last codex dropped a chaos one?
Underlined and Emphasized with bold. I also don't exactly mean Codex. Still waiting on model release for Abberants on their own. While Custodes got a full new range after they were released after GSC. But whatever. Let GW make some money and hopefully give a few more kits to the xenos factions that need them.
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PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
Secondly, boo, more imperium and more power armor. Ah well, guess I'll make a post on their FB to get another Canned Response about waiting and seeing for my GSC.
Wasn't the last codex dropped a chaos one?
Underlined and Emphasized with bold. I also don't exactly mean Codex. Still waiting on model release for Abberants on their own. While Custodes got a full new range after they were released after GSC. But whatever. Let GW make some money and hopefully give a few more kits to the xenos factions that need them.
Custodes get a single HQ(named), a box of infantry that is 5/$60, a box of Terminator-sized models, a box of Jetbikes, and repurposed Contemptors+Land Raiders. I can pretty much guarantee you that when/if Custodes get a Start Collecting set it's going to be the only way people start the army since we're looking at probably a $200 outlay to fill out a Patrol much less anything more or getting into the FW side of things.
GSC got a box of HQs, two infantry boxes with all of their weapon options, a double build vehicle, rebadged Imperial Guard stuff combined with a Genestealer Cult upgrade frame, and a Genestealer Cult upgrade frame. They also just got a Battleforce that is a phenomenal way to work on bulking out a GSC army especially in conjunction with an Overkill box.
It really is dumb that Aberrants don't have a kit for themselves yet but let's not pretend that Genestealer Cult didn't see a pretty significant release.
EmperorsChampion wrote: I feel like one of the few who were excited about this release. GW said this was in the making for the past 2-3 years, so I hope FW had an idea this was going to be released. This release allows me to fill up my custodes army for HH while being able to field it for 40k. GW has a win for me on this, though I can see how others might want some Dark Eldar love, or Tau. But, I imagine...sooner rather than later for them.
Or not. So far there's been no hint they will get 30k rules and certainly models are useless in 30k without new rules or some serious conversion.
Here's hoping they get them. I would love to buy those but for strictly home game only use they would be too expensive.
Secondly, boo, more imperium and more power armor. Ah well, guess I'll make a post on their FB to get another Canned Response about waiting and seeing for my GSC.
Wasn't the last codex dropped a chaos one?
Underlined and Emphasized with bold. I also don't exactly mean Codex. Still waiting on model release for Abberants on their own. While Custodes got a full new range after they were released after GSC. But whatever. Let GW make some money and hopefully give a few more kits to the xenos factions that need them.
Custodes get a single HQ(named), a box of infantry that is 5/$60, a box of Terminator-sized models, a box of Jetbikes, and repurposed Contemptors+Land Raiders. I can pretty much guarantee you that when/if Custodes get a Start Collecting set it's going to be the only way people start the army since we're looking at probably a $200 outlay to fill out a Patrol much less anything more or getting into the FW side of things.
GSC got a box of HQs, two infantry boxes with all of their weapon options, a double build vehicle, rebadged Imperial Guard stuff combined with a Genestealer Cult upgrade frame, and a Genestealer Cult upgrade frame. They also just got a Battleforce that is a phenomenal way to work on bulking out a GSC army especially in conjunction with an Overkill box.
It really is dumb that Aberrants don't have a kit for themselves yet but let's not pretend that Genestealer Cult didn't see a pretty significant release.
Would that that be the £25 for 5 kit you need 10 to 20 of to start a worthwhile army that is not just guard-1?
If it is than as a xenos player I hope my armies don't get that level of support
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
hazefrog wrote: And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.
What's "proper treatment"?
They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?
If they can turn "fat stinky Marines" into a range the size of the Death Guard, they can do the same with "dusty golem Marines". I'm not sure they should do either tbh, there are a lot of other things I'd prefer GW be focusing on than giving all the minifactions of Chaos Marines the same level of excessive releases that all the minifactions of Goody Marines get - that's how we get Thunderwolves, people - but, they've set the standard now and I don't think it's unfair for players of other Chaos minifactions to be disappointed if theirs don't get the same treatment.
That, or god forbid, they had more fun making the Nurgle Marines and thus churned more out.
All of the different Nurglings show that.
"It was more fun so we just did loads of that" is fine for a hobbyist, but GW purports to be a company selling a product and employment at their studio purports to be a job, meaning the former should be aiming to manage their people so that the totality of their range receives adequate support not just the bits the sculptors "find their muse" for, and the studio guys should be prepared on occasion to knuckle the hell down and work on something that they might not be super inspired by but needs to be done.
Well, they do have sales data. Maybe pus bags and cute adorable nurglings scampering all over the place sells better than soulless egyptian-themed golems. (maybe. I don't have that information but GW probably does)
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The best decision GW made was to NOT make new TS kits. Can you imagine the Xenos rage if they did?
Tzaangors have been a part of Tzeentch since the beginning. If you don't like them you can ally in Tzeentch Daemons.
As it stands i'm psyched. You want support? Enlightened and Skyfires provide awesome abilities in AoS as well as being superb in melee. If Skyfires are in then they could be snipers or a really mobile heavy weapon. I'm sure the Shaman will help take Tzaangors up a notch, too.
The MVB can be a psychic nexus or some sort of cannon - either are welcome.
And it's quite possible the Gaunt Summoner could make it in as well.
I'm quite glad we didn't get Rubric Devastators, and Rubric Dreadnoughts, and Rubric whatever. We already have Contemptors if you don't like Helbrutes and the models are fantastic.
Spoiler:
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Secondly, boo, more imperium and more power armor. Ah well, guess I'll make a post on their FB to get another Canned Response about waiting and seeing for my GSC.
Wasn't the last codex dropped a chaos one?
Underlined and Emphasized with bold. I also don't exactly mean Codex. Still waiting on model release for Abberants on their own. While Custodes got a full new range after they were released after GSC. But whatever. Let GW make some money and hopefully give a few more kits to the xenos factions that need them.
Custodes get a single HQ(named), a box of infantry that is 5/$60, a box of Terminator-sized models, a box of Jetbikes, and repurposed Contemptors+Land Raiders. I can pretty much guarantee you that when/if Custodes get a Start Collecting set it's going to be the only way people start the army since we're looking at probably a $200 outlay to fill out a Patrol much less anything more or getting into the FW side of things.
GSC got a box of HQs, two infantry boxes with all of their weapon options, a double build vehicle, rebadged Imperial Guard stuff combined with a Genestealer Cult upgrade frame, and a Genestealer Cult upgrade frame. They also just got a Battleforce that is a phenomenal way to work on bulking out a GSC army especially in conjunction with an Overkill box.
It really is dumb that Aberrants don't have a kit for themselves yet but let's not pretend that Genestealer Cult didn't see a pretty significant release.
I'm not. I'm saying xenos factions could use some kits. Like Eldar, orks getting some new stuff, and the aforementioned aberants. I'm not saying that Custodes don't deserve some lime-light, or that GSC didn't get a nice chunky release (although 40 bucks for 5 Acolytes hurts, as does 40 for 10 neophytes....) but it's more Imperium, or barring that, more power armor. It's just disheartening to see. More threats, less reinforcements for Girly Man's 10,000 please.
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PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
hazefrog wrote: And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.
What's "proper treatment"?
They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?
If they can turn "fat stinky Marines" into a range the size of the Death Guard, they can do the same with "dusty golem Marines". I'm not sure they should do either tbh, there are a lot of other things I'd prefer GW be focusing on than giving all the minifactions of Chaos Marines the same level of excessive releases that all the minifactions of Goody Marines get - that's how we get Thunderwolves, people - but, they've set the standard now and I don't think it's unfair for players of other Chaos minifactions to be disappointed if theirs don't get the same treatment.
That, or god forbid, they had more fun making the Nurgle Marines and thus churned more out.
All of the different Nurglings show that.
"It was more fun so we just did loads of that" is fine for a hobbyist, but GW purports to be a company selling a product and employment at their studio purports to be a job, meaning the former should be aiming to manage their people so that the totality of their range receives adequate support not just the bits the sculptors "find their muse" for, and the studio guys should be prepared on occasion to knuckle the hell down and work on something that they might not be super inspired by but needs to be done.
Well, they do have sales data. Maybe pus bags and cute adorable nurglings scampering all over the place sells better than soulless egyptian-themed golems. (maybe. I don't have that information but GW probably does)
They have data for what was purchased. They have little to no data about the reasons why it was purchased and likely even less about why things didn't sell. We've had maybe one or two surveys this century which provided customers opportunity to feedback why they weren't buying things, and the only other meaningful platforms for feedback they operate are FB, which has an appalling signal to noise ratio, and open days which, by definition, are likely to be mainly populated by the more credulous end of the consumer spectrum.
Sales data tells you what's popular out of the products you sell, it tells you nothing about the demand for something you don't.
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EmperorsChampion wrote: I feel like one of the few who were excited about this release. GW said this was in the making for the past 2-3 years, so I hope FW had an idea this was going to be released. This release allows me to fill up my custodes army for HH while being able to field it for 40k. GW has a win for me on this, though I can see how others might want some Dark Eldar love, or Tau. But, I imagine...sooner rather than later for them.
You aren't alone, I'm just as excited when I saw the pictures. I fell in love with the custodes and I was planning to start with a core of 30 custodians (which I found out after buying for 60% discount thanks to awesome FLGS players was 2100pts if all built with swords and shields!) but now, I feel the same as you, being able to play both 30k and 40k is fantastic value and while I'm happy, xenon players should have come first IMHO.
40k: Thousand Sons World Eaters
30k: Imperial Fists 405th Company
I'm wondering.....Since Custodes are even more elite than GK, will they play even worse against hordes?
On one hand there are less of them and they have no Psychers. On the other hand, they do have many more attacks and are much more durable.
While I doubt it, it would be funny if the game supported some kind of "effectiveness bell curve" where after a certain point super-elite armies started being effective like hordes are. (it's just the average armies in the center that stink).
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Here is my video from the News Year Open day for the Adeptus Custodes, I asked all the questions and got as much information as possible, enjoy! If you have any questions leave them in the video comments and I will do my best to get back to you!
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The whining about Xenos codexes is seriously turning me off this community. We're literally 6 days into 2018 and lots of people are mad because their plastic toys haven't been given new rules.
Silly teaser though. One day out you might as well make it a picture of the Palace or Golden Throne and just let us speculate on what the Custodes are getting.
Easy way to avoid misleading and upsetting anyone.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
MadMuzza wrote: Here is my video from the News Year Open day for the Adeptus Custodes, I asked all the questions and got as much information as possible, enjoy! If you have any questions leave them in the video comments and I will do my best to get back to you!
Unless I missed something, you didn't really talk about the Hetareon type guys there.
Togusa wrote: The whining about Xenos codexes is seriously turning me off this community. We're literally 6 days into 2018 and lots of people are mad because their plastic toys haven't been given new rules.
Oh no, the year changed. That makes everything different. More practically, 7 months into the edition and we're finally getting a non-power armor release (the third real release total), soon to be followed by yet more imperial armor.
8th edition so far has been dirt poor in terms of model releases, the stuff that is supposed to be bread and butter. A basic analysis should inform anyone why this comes as a disappointment to many, as yet more imperium means the sparse model releases comes at an opportunity cost to other model ranges with massive holes in their product line.
Togusa wrote: The whining about Xenos codexes is seriously turning me off this community. We're literally 6 days into 2018 and lots of people are mad because their plastic toys haven't been given new rules.
Oh no, the year changed. That makes everything different. More practically, 7 months into the edition and we're finally getting a non-power armor release (the third real release total), soon to be followed by yet more imperial armor.
8th edition so far has been dirt poor in terms of model releases, the stuff that is supposed to be bread and butter. A basic analysis should inform anyone why this comes as a disappointment to many, as yet more imperium means the sparse model releases comes at an opportunity cost to other model ranges with massive holes in their product line.
Voss wrote: It isn't a 'thousand son' or have the 'tzeentch' keyword either, so I have no idea why this would be a better way (let alone a reasonable way) to shoe horn it in to 40k.
Because it's a giant 'vortex' beast and, based upon what they've said, will involve mutation, something that is very Tzeentc-y.
It's a natural fit. Hell, writing my own rules for one of them in 1KSons armies was the reason I bought one way back when. Turns out I was right to do so.
Makes sense to me the 1k sons would have mutated servators.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I dont play TS but I play DG and so can't say how much I wish I had some cheaper HQ choices. This is where the Tzzangors characters will fit right in.
Cultists and pox walkers give CSM and Death Guard access to cheap troops for battalions and that is what makes them viable.
I can't see TS milking it in Command points easily.
I also like how Tzzangors and pox walkers foil eachother. Invuls vs feel no pains. Death Guard and Thousand Sons armies were designed to fight against each other beautifully.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I mean, did Nids and Eldar even get anything new? I don't think they did.
Did Chaos? Did Grey Knights? Did the Guard get anything? Ad-Mech?
There are two types of Codex releases now in 40K. There are "We need to bring a Codex out for this army so it is brought into the game more quickly" and there are "Full-blown release" Codices. Space Marines (obviously), Death Guard and Adeptus Custodes are the three full-blown releases, two of which involve completely new ranges that did not exist prior to their books coming out. The rest are just Codices for armies that have full lines of minis who get a token release (Voldus, Eldrad, BA Primaris Marine) to go alongside them.
Daedalus81 wrote: And it's quite possible the Gaunt Summoner could make it in as well.
And the Ogroid Thaumaturge as a kind of 'bruiser' HQ for Tzeentch armies, like a Tzeentch Beastman Daemon Prince. That'd be awesome.
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Togusa wrote: The whining about Xenos codexes is seriously turning me off this community. We're literally 6 days into 2018 and lots of people are mad because their plastic toys haven't been given new rules.
Oh no, the year changed. That makes everything different. More practically, 7 months into the edition and we're finally getting a non-power armor release (the third real release total), soon to be followed by yet more imperial armor.
8th edition so far has been dirt poor in terms of model releases, the stuff that is supposed to be bread and butter. A basic analysis should inform anyone why this comes as a disappointment to many, as yet more imperium means the sparse model releases comes at an opportunity cost to other model ranges with massive holes in their product line.
Fifth non power armor book.
Don't care- the books are detriments as far as I'm concerned- they should have worked with the indexes for a while, see how the edition worked out. Daemons are the first meaningful non-power armor release, and that only matters for a quarter of the people who want it.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I mean, did Nids and Eldar even get anything new? I don't think they did.
Did Chaos? Did Grey Knights? Did the Guard get anything? Ad-Mech?
There are two types of Codex releases now in 40K. There are "We need to bring a Codex out for this army so it is brought into the game more quickly" and there are "Full-blown release" Codices. Space Marines (obviously), Death Guard and Adeptus Custodes are the three full-blown releases, two of which involve completely new ranges that did not exist prior to their books coming out. The rest are just Codices for armies that have full lines of minis who get a token release (Voldus, Eldrad, BA Primaris Marine) to go alongside them.
Daedalus81 wrote: And it's quite possible the Gaunt Summoner could make it in as well.
And the Ogroid Thaumaturge as a kind of 'bruiser' HQ for Tzeentch armies, like a Tzeentch Beastman Daemon Prince. That'd be awesome.
I think with eistablished armies we can expect the vast majority to fall into the latter catagory as well. this year I expect GW to focus on finishing up the old, and introducing some new armies. Custodes are the obvious first, a second possiability is sisters of silence (perhaps they'll be presented and an auxillery force for sisters of battle?)
a new xenos army would be nice but there are a lot more cases of long hanging fruit IoM side
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
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but now, I feel the same as you, being able to play both 30k and 
Thousand Sons 
World Eaters
Imperial Fists 405th Company 
Dark Angels > Purple Death Legion (Purple Vanilla Marines) > Dark Angels > Death Watch > Thousand Sons with special appearances by Tzeench Demons 
