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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

Where does this mini come from ? Look nice !

Also, artificial scarcity sucks ass. Even more so if what is offered in the box becomes available individually later.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

Where does this mini come from ? Look nice !

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Blackstone-Fortress-Cultists-of-The-Abyss-2019

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Black Templars was the most recent Army Set to General Release.


There was a little over a month between army set to general release there.

But has this happened before? IE: Army Set for faction (X), then codex/model release for faction (Y), then stand alone codex for faction (X)? I can't really remember at this point.

Pretty sure yes?

We've had 4 army sets, all told. Lumineth were the first ones, Sisters of Battle were the second, Beast Snaggas third, and Black Templars fourth.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm hoping that we get a new terminator Lord soon. I like the old model, but it's definitely showing its age.

Yeah agreed. I'd prioritise a power armoured lord ala Autarch/Canoness as the priority though

It would be really nice if it remained a dual build kit with a Terminator Sorcerer as well.

 Togusa wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm hoping that we get a new terminator Lord soon. I like the old model, but it's definitely showing its age.

Yeah agreed. I'd prioritise a power armoured lord ala Autarch/Canoness as the priority though

It would be really nice if it remained a dual build kit with a Terminator Sorcerer as well.

With options? Preferably!

But the new pricetag will probably be insane.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

Where does this mini come from ? Look nice !

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Blackstone-Fortress-Cultists-of-The-Abyss-2019

Thanks ! They look nice and aren't that expensive... wait ! Why only 8 ?! I mean, I know it's because they come from blackstone. But still...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Black Templars was the most recent Army Set to General Release.


There was a little over a month between army set to general release there.

But has this happened before? IE: Army Set for faction (X), then codex/model release for faction (Y), then stand alone codex for faction (X)? I can't really remember at this point.

Pretty sure yes?

We've had 4 army sets, all told. Lumineth were the first ones, Sisters of Battle were the second, Beast Snaggas third, and Black Templars fourth.

And all but the Sisters one sat around for forever. I literally just bought a Templar one yesterday for cost because stores here are just sitting on useless stock.

Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Interesting. At 9 wounds, I take it there is no degrading profile?

additional attacks sounds like chainswords or scything talons. (and the tails on the carnifex- +x attacks and only those attacks at a different profile)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

Ooooo
Here's to hope.
This also gives some hope for Guard and getting command squads back, rather than the current disjointed mess.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

No commander? Just a priest and a psyker.
yay
so more regression


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Voss wrote:

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

Ooooo
Here's to hope.
This also gives some hope for Guard and getting command squads back, rather than the current disjointed mess.

Thats really the best part about this. However it just smells in the chaos of the chaos squad like, minimal effort.

Voss wrote:

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

Ooooo
Here's to hope.
This also gives some hope for Guard and getting command squads back, rather than the current disjointed mess.

Honestly, it just sounds like the Corsair Voidscarred.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

No commander? Just a priest and a psyker.
yay
so more regression

I don't think calling it a regression is fair, this isn't codex renegades and heretics, or traitor guard. Chaos marines haven’t lost a chaos company commander, it's not something they'd regressed on per se.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

Thanks for the news ! The cultist HQ team is something I would've liked for a troupe choice for TS. I'm curious about about what the sculpts will be like.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

feth yes to all of that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

Ooooo
Here's to hope.
This also gives some hope for Guard and getting command squads back, rather than the current disjointed mess.

Honestly, it just sounds like the Corsair Voidscarred.

Definitely sounds like it could be a "Cultists Killteam".

Voss wrote:
Interesting. At 9 wounds, I take it there is no degrading profile?

It's a weirdly sized model to have character protection even though it needed it and it is very much welcome.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Depends on how many special/heavy weapons you can put in a 5 model squad. And don’t forget the KT specialist.

Chaos Space Marines have strictly followed the Codex Astartes since the 4th Ed 'Chaos' Codex was released.

Of all the many complaints I've had about their approach to Chaos, nothing compares to how bland and rigid the options have been for what should be the most eclectic and varied faction

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

Where does this mini come from ? Look nice !

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Blackstone-Fortress-Cultists-of-The-Abyss-2019

Thanks ! They look nice and aren't that expensive... wait ! Why only 8 ?! I mean, I know it's because they come from blackstone. But still...

Also, one of them has a different base size to the rest, and is vaguely taller than them (because he was originally a unique enemy in BSF instead of a generic cultist).

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm hoping that we get a new terminator Lord soon. I like the old model, but it's definitely showing its age.

Yeah agreed. I'd prioritise a power armoured lord ala Autarch/Canoness as the priority though

It would be really nice if it remained a dual build kit with a Terminator Sorcerer as well.

With options? Preferably!

But the new pricetag will probably be insane.

Some options would be fine, but honestly I'd prefer to have the game condensed. For gameplay, nothing is worse than 1-2 alpha choices and 10 useless bits that never get even passable rules.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Interesting. At 9 wounds, I take it there is no degrading profile?

It's a weirdly sized model to have character protection even though it needed it and it is very much welcome.

It's roughly the same size as the wartrike, isn't it?

DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

Where does this mini come from ? Look nice !

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Blackstone-Fortress-Cultists-of-The-Abyss-2019

Thanks ! They look nice and aren't that expensive... wait ! Why only 8 ?! I mean, I know it's because they come from blackstone. But still...

I'm guessing that when the new cultist kit comes out, two new models that we haven't seen yet will be coming out alongside these ones.

clockworkchris9 wrote:Some new info

No unit with the bodyguard rule

Disco lord
-Is now 9w
-the melee weapons have changed to be additional attacks with claws and tail (dont quite understand this one, asking for more detail)

Cultist HQ
-its a squad, with a banner, a priest and a psyker, + some extra bullet catchers

While I like the fact that the Lord Discordant won't be degrading, cutting away three wounds sounds a bit excessive. I would prefer if the number of wounds one lost before degrading was raised to ten. It's not a major issue, though.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I like the fact that the Lord Discordant won't be degrading, cutting away three wounds sounds a bit excessive. I would prefer if the number of wounds one lost before degrading was raised to ten. It's not a major issue, though.

On the flipside, losing those 3 wounds actually improves his chances of making it into combat.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Interesting. At 9 wounds, I take it there is no degrading profile?

It's a weirdly sized model to have character protection even though it needed it and it is very much welcome.

It's roughly the same size as the wartrike, isn't it?

Disco is 120x92mm oval, Wartrike is 150mm oval, so Disco is smaller? I think??

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I like the fact that the Lord Discordant won't be degrading, cutting away three wounds sounds a bit excessive. I would prefer if the number of wounds one lost before degrading was raised to ten. It's not a major issue, though.

On the flipside, losing those 3 wounds actually improves his chances of making it into combat.

Agreed.

Losing 3 wounds for no degrading stats is usually a slight buff for a standard vehicle.

Losing 3 wounds for no degrading stats and getting look out sir protection is a massive buff for a character vehicle.

So I still don't understand on how the bundle boxes are fear-of-missing-out product. I understand the buy-all-this-other-stuff-to-get-the-new-thing angle, but what is the thing people are afraid of missing that generates extra sales?

Like don't get me wrong it's still douchey and pointlessly so because they could release the component individually alongside the bundle and the bundles would still sell out, but I don't see the FOMO aspect.

If these boxes are like the Knight boxes of a couple of years ago then I can understand the FOMO. I don't recall the details of the deal but it was something like BOGO or buy 2 get one free. It was a great deal and it was for a limited time only.

EightFoldPath wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Interesting. At 9 wounds, I take it there is no degrading profile?

It's a weirdly sized model to have character protection even though it needed it and it is very much welcome.

It's roughly the same size as the wartrike, isn't it?

Disco is 120x92mm oval, Wartrike is 150mm oval, so Disco is smaller? I think??

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I like the fact that the Lord Discordant won't be degrading, cutting away three wounds sounds a bit excessive. I would prefer if the number of wounds one lost before degrading was raised to ten. It's not a major issue, though.

On the flipside, losing those 3 wounds actually improves his chances of making it into combat.

Agreed.

Losing 3 wounds for no degrading stats is usually a slight buff for a standard vehicle.

Losing 3 wounds for no degrading stats and getting look out sir protection is a massive buff for a character vehicle.

The worst part is always degrading movement. Especially in the IGOUGO setup, you can just kill a vehicle 2/3 the way and be safe because it can't move to catch up with you.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

While I like the fact that the Lord Discordant won't be degrading, cutting away three wounds sounds a bit excessive. I would prefer if the number of wounds one lost before degrading was raised to ten. It's not a major issue, though.

Its worth pointing out that several things that 'lost' wounds recently also got damage reduction. Dunno if that will be the case here, but it makes a difference, especially against the 'quantity' antitank guns like heavy bolters and autocannons, which are neutered severely.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

I'm going out on a limb and saying it's an intentional choice to tie the new models in with the BSF ones so people can mix the sets without a clash of visuals.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some designer over at GW must be getting paid a little too much given the obvious CAD assets reuse.

I'm going out on a limb and saying it's an intentional choice to tie the new models in with the BSF ones so people can mix the sets without a clash of visuals.

The original (and so far very accurate) Big Rumordump said that both the Cultists and Traitor Guardsmen were "Blackstone Fortress style", so I'd say that's a fairly sturdy limb.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I like the fact that the Lord Discordant won't be degrading, cutting away three wounds sounds a bit excessive. I would prefer if the number of wounds one lost before degrading was raised to ten. It's not a major issue, though.

I'd prefer if it they gave degrading statlines to things that they felt deserved them, and regular statlines to things that they felt deserved those, and lost this arbitrary 10 and above nonsense.

If everything is bespoke these days, how come that facet of the rules is so rigidly enforced when it is something they could ignore on a whim?