I think it must be fair to say that the sword on Cypher's back is definitely the Lion Sword. The second image is the cover of Angels of Caliban and is the most recent official depiction of Lion.
The crossguard and pommel are clearly exactly the same.
"The detail on this model is incredible, from the archeotech-plasma pistol to the massive primarch-sized sword on his back – he is every inch the fallen hero of old Caliban."
"Cypher carries a long sword across his back that is far too big for even an Astartes’ hands. It is rumoured that the sword is the fabled Lion Sword that once belonged to the Dark Angels Primarch Lion El’Jonson. "
Also of particular interest is that in that same book, Angels of Caliban, which is the most recent HH book featuring Lion, Roboute seizes and breaks the Lion Sword.
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017
That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.
This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.
In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".
Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.
Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')
Joyboozer wrote: The fight comes down to a last tyranids and a flayed one that won't give up its human skin jacket. Of course this idea might have been scrapped due to the whole P.E.T.A. thing a few weeks ago
It's human flesh so PETA doesn't care......if it was a Ferret pelt then the Necrons would be hounded as animal killers...........................
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017
That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.
This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.
In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".
Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.
Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')
Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017
That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.
This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.
In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".
Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.
Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')
Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.
Except Pretre keeps track of who is a "hit" or a "miss", while Naftka keeps y'know...
Posting.
And there's no guarantee that anything posted as "Anonymous" was actually submitted. Most of the "Anonymous" stuff he posts is rehashed rumors from reliable posters/avenues of rumors, but with a bit of extra crap drizzled on top.
I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.
I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.
Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.
Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.
The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)
Davor wrote: I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.
I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.
Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.
The issue isnt what you read or where you read it, its that you posted it on here and treated it as the gospel truth and got called on it.
Azreal13 wrote: Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.
The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)
Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before
Davor wrote: I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.
I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.
Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.
Actually, no.
If you choose to accept information from a less than certifiable source, then you also must accept that there is a chance you can be mocked for that.
It's your responsibility as a memeber of society to be correctly informed if you want to socialize with other people, networks, groups, etc.
If I were to say that I honestly believe the onion is a reputable news source and defend their articles as truth, then naturally I would open myself up to the worst of comments.
Food for thought.
Edit: point in case; Azrael.
Take a chill pill dude.
Azreal13 wrote: Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.
The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)
Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before
One man's "fell for" can be another's man's "deliberately distributed to incite a reaction."
Davor wrote: I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.
I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.
Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.
The issue isnt what you read or where you read it, its that you posted it on here and treated it as the gospel truth and got called on it.
I never said it was fact or gospel. I just releated to what I read that day.
*edit*
As for being gak? Why? Someone asked a question. I answered it from what I read. So what is wrong with that? So has dakka become the "if you don't agree with my opinion you are wrong"? I find it funny I am being called out and I post gak when the same people do the same.
Azreal13 wrote: Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.
The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)
Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before
One man's "fell for" can be another's man's "deliberately distributed to incite a reaction."
Eh, reading Davor's posts here and in other threads, I'm going to side with honest mistake. Perhaps a little unwilling to back down from his source, but not in a trolling manner.
Davor wrote: Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.
He produces the rumors or at least doesn't provide us with any way to differentiate between rumors he wrote and rumors he got from someone else. Feel free to take this over the Ongoing Rumor Accuracy thread to discuss further, but this has been done to death.
casvalremdeikun wrote: How about a Crimson Fists v. Orks grudge match? Captain Cortez should be back with the Chapter by now. I bet he is itching to shove a grenade down an Ork's throat.
You sure are persistent about this fugly model
I always thought it was some pythons holy grail, black knight level crap that he disarmed a warboss using his rib cage after the boss buried his 'Uge Choppa into his mid section
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017
That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.
This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.
In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".
Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.
Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')
Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.
Except Pretre keeps track of who is a "hit" or a "miss", while Naftka keeps y'know...
Posting.
And there's no guarantee that anything posted as "Anonymous" was actually submitted. Most of the "Anonymous" stuff he posts is rehashed rumors from reliable posters/avenues of rumors, but with a bit of extra crap drizzled on top.
Kanluwen wrote: You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.
A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.
I thought it was how big and fancy their pauldrons were?
The best leaders have huge skull pauldrons.
Also hats. Big hats with skulls.
What is this, Warmachine?
See the trouble with that part though is there is actually no proof that is what he is doing. So while you guys very well may be correct in that assumption, you don't have the proof to back the claim despite parroting it, which would ironically make you no better then he is if your assumption is correct, if not, your just trashing his reputation.
(and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)
Azreal13 wrote: Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.
The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)
Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before
One man's "fell for" can be another's man's "deliberately distributed to incite a reaction."
And here we are working off assumptions again. Less feels.
It depends, though, on the quality of the cloack and hat too. A man with big pauldrons and hats trumps a man with big pauldrons and skulls, it also helps derail the topic of the thread better. Not that there's much to say, though at this point.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Are there going to be any BL books accompanying this new Rise of the Primarch release? I'd love a novel about Guillemans return.
That I am aware, there won't be. In so far the three books have been solo releases, showing the campaign book and the corresponding triumvirate.
Also, I'm sure it would look too much like a comedy film. Not that it's a bad thing of course.
I'm really hoping they do. They do some great books with just tiny Codex blurbs, with all these to gather inspiration from, some serious cool books could be made.
Heck, I'd LOVE one about the Genestealer cult they found on Terra! TERRA! That one bit of info in GSII was freakin' amazing.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Are there going to be any BL books accompanying this new Rise of the Primarch release? I'd love a novel about Guillemans return.
That I am aware, there won't be. In so far the three books have been solo releases, showing the campaign book and the corresponding triumvirate.
Also, I'm sure it would look too much like a comedy film. Not that it's a bad thing of course.
Meh, doesn't sound any worse than the Horus Heresy novels.
Then I remembered he's more or less machine, and his voice makes sense...
Most Tech-priests do. They have a holy machine language they normally speak that is translated as required. I like to picture them sounding like a 56k modem
Then I remembered he's more or less machine, and his voice makes sense...
Most Tech-priests do. They have a holy machine language they normally speak that is translated as required. I like to picture them sounding like a 56k modem
Some of them even have some difficulty using their vocal cords again And yeah, when they speak "binary", I too imagine the 56k modem sounds
I love the implication that Cawl was told to fix and wake up Rowboat 10,000 years ago and has just been procrastinating this entire time. And now, with Cadia falling, he finally gets his ass in gear and decides to go flip the couple switches needed to wake him up.
Lance845 wrote: I love the implication that Cawl was told to fix and wake up Rowboat 10,000 years ago and has just been procrastinating this entire time. And now, with Cadia falling, he finally gets his ass in gear and decides to go flip the couple switches needed to wake him up.
That is amazing.
Highlords of the Imperium: So, Cawl, what's happening? Aahh, now, are you going to go ahead and have that primarch healed for us this afternoon?
Cawls: No.
Highlords: Ah. Yeah. So I guess we should probably go ahead and have a little talk. Hmm?
Cawl: Not right now, guys, I'm kinda busy. In fact, look, I'm gonna have to ask you to just go ahead and come back another time. I got a meeting with the Crons in a couple of minutes.
Highlords: I wasn't aware of a meeting with them.
Cawl: Yeah, they called me at home.
Lance845 wrote: I love the implication that Cawl was told to fix and wake up Rowboat 10,000 years ago and has just been procrastinating this entire time.
If you listen carefully, it wasn't something he was told to "fix and wake up Roboute 10,000 years ago".
The exact quote is:
Ten millennia ago, I was set a task. One abandoned when the galaxy burned.
It was a task he was set to before Guilliman was put into stasis.
Whatever this "task" is? It's something the Emperor himself gave Cawl.
3 helmets shown on one of the screens, Ultras Dark Angels and.... What? Scars? Templars? Something else? I woukd say Wolves but the helmet looks too white?
Lance845 wrote: I love the implication that Cawl was told to fix and wake up Rowboat 10,000 years ago and has just been procrastinating this entire time.
If you listen carefully, it wasn't something he was told to "fix and wake up Roboute 10,000 years ago".
The exact quote is:
Ten millennia ago, I was set a task. One abandoned when the galaxy burned.
It was a task he was set to before Guilliman was put into stasis.
Whatever this "task" is? It's something the Emperor himself gave Cawl.
That is huge.
Wow, I agree with Kan. In breaking news dogs and cats learn to live together, people on the internet relax and consider other peoples opinions, Israelis and Arabs learn to live in peace. Wow I think I'm going to buy a lotto ticket tonight.
kitch102 wrote: 3 helmets shown on one of the screens, Ultras Dark Angels and.... What? Scars? Templars? Something else? I woukd say Wolves but the helmet looks too white?
I'm going with Grey Knights, since it's the 3 forces of the Triumvirate.
Lance845 wrote: I love the implication that Cawl was told to fix and wake up Rowboat 10,000 years ago and has just been procrastinating this entire time.
If you listen carefully, it wasn't something he was told to "fix and wake up Roboute 10,000 years ago".
The exact quote is:
Ten millennia ago, I was set a task. One abandoned when the galaxy burned.
It was a task he was set to before Guilliman was put into stasis.
Whatever this "task" is? It's something the Emperor himself gave Cawl.
That is huge.
Mr Cawl make sure you have the snazzy new armour I designed ready for the boys mystical disappearing into the warp day.......
(Well making snazzy armour is boring, the boss man is distracted with going moldy in his private box and all the loyal kids have vanished, I can get on with the interesting stuff instead)
kitch102 wrote: 3 helmets shown on one of the screens, Ultras Dark Angels and.... What? Scars? Templars? Something else? I woukd say Wolves but the helmet looks too white?
Since he "knew" how the Cadian devices worked, maybe he was supposed to use it to drain the warp. Could be that was how the big E ascends, or planned to ascend by swallowing all the souls that are lost to the warp. But the Magnus broke the feeding chair back on earth
kitch102 wrote: 3 helmets shown on one of the screens, Ultras Dark Angels and.... What? Scars? Templars? Something else? I woukd say Wolves but the helmet looks too white?
It's Grey Knights. If you look carefully there's the trademark Sword down the centre of the helmet, and on the banner below it is their open book symbol.
so Guilliman's right eye 1:47 is glowing red....please no
does this mean
Spoiler:
Roboute might be a heretic?
It looks more like a glare/twinkle coming from his eye to accentuate how the gloss covering the face is cracking, to represent Guilliman's awakening and resurrection. If glowing red eyes were a sign of heresy then there would be no red eye lenses for space marines and the Salamanders chapter would be screwed.
You should really read more into the context of things and fluff before going off on your tangent of questions again.
so Guilliman's right eye 1:47 is glowing red....please no
does this mean
Spoiler:
Roboute might be a heretic?
It looks more like a glare/twinkle coming from his eye to accentuate how the gloss covering the face is cracking, to represent Guilliman's awakening and resurrection. If glowing red eyes were a sign of heresy then there would be no red eye lenses for space marines and the Salamanders chapter would be screwed.
do you think Roboute will survive and live on, will this be a long term thing for GW or will his return be like that of Vulkan's in the War of the Beast, 1 and done type thing
so Guilliman's right eye 1:47 is glowing red....please no
does this mean
Spoiler:
Roboute might be a heretic?
It looks more like a glare/twinkle coming from his eye to accentuate how the gloss covering the face is cracking, to represent Guilliman's awakening and resurrection. If glowing red eyes were a sign of heresy then there would be no red eye lenses for space marines and the Salamanders chapter would be screwed.
do you think Roboute will survive and live on, will this be a long term thing for GW or will his return be like that of Vulkan's in the War of the Beast, 1 and done type thing
Preeeetty sure it's long term, given that he has a model coming out. None of the previous triumvirate died, so that says something.
Guys, go watch the emperor had a text to speech device, or just Google him, and take a long look at the emperor's face. It's just an idea, but I think it might be pretty obvious what it might imply.
Excellent trailer. Given the Eldar's involvement could Cawl task have something to do with the imperial webway project? It being the Emperor's most important project and most significant failure.
I'm thinking, based on the imagery alongside the dialogue (wrath/wroth notwithstanding) if the task he was set was to create a suit of armor that would make the Primarchs.... I dunno, Uuber primarchs? SuperCenturion5000 armor?
When Cawl says "Allies have approached us in recent months, from quarters most unexpected", it shows Cypher (I think? Which we already knew would be "helping" out, of course) but it also shows Cypher is bringing along a few chaos marines with him.
Is that new?
Doesn't get much more unexpected than a few chaos marines helping the Imperium too (well, maybe it was slightly expected since Cypher is able to bring along his own Chosen in the rules, but not really).
TiamatRoar wrote: When Cawl says "Allies have approached us in recent months, from quarters most unexpected", it shows Cypher (I think? Which we already knew would be "helping" out, of course) but it also shows Cypher is bringing along a few chaos marines with him.
Is that new?
Doesn't get much more unexpected than a few chaos marines helping the Imperium too (well, maybe it was slightly expected since Cypher is able to bring along his own Chosen in the rules, but not really).
Those would be Fallen, who much like the SW 13th co. have had to replace damaged gear with whatever is to hand, so mostly from dead CSM.
Runic wrote: It's interesting what the symbolism in I presume Guillimans face is about above the helmets.
One side golden and normal, but on the left the surface peeling off and revealing a red glowing eye.
The helmet on the left is presumably GK, since its DA, UM and GK in the Triumvirate, to the person asking above.
Seems more like a golden glow to me. The face is golden too and the emperor was described as having a golden psychic glow. And there is the prophecy of a golden character returning to save humanity, although that could be any number of people. I'm even still partial to lorgar.
TiamatRoar wrote: When Cawl says "Allies have approached us in recent months, from quarters most unexpected", it shows Cypher (I think? Which we already knew would be "helping" out, of course) but it also shows Cypher is bringing along a few chaos marines with him.
Is that new?
Doesn't get much more unexpected than a few chaos marines helping the Imperium too (well, maybe it was slightly expected since Cypher is able to bring along his own Chosen in the rules, but not really).
Those would be Fallen, who much like the SW 13th co. have had to replace damaged gear with whatever is to hand, so mostly from dead CSM.
Kinda/sorta.
The Fallen aren't a "group" in the sense that they have been spread all over the place. Some have joined Chaos warbands. Some follow Cypher around. Some have taken up hermitage on Imperial worlds, serving as a kind of watcher/guardian to the populace.
There's no hard and fast rule as to what the Fallen are, at least for the moment.
Pretty sure it'll be the week after - Saturday March 4th pre-order for release Saturday 11th March. Could be wrong but all the trailers so far have said March, and it fits the cheesey "March for Macragge" theme, lol. Also might be a total coincidence but March 15th is also the Ides of March, which kinda fits with the Ultramarines theme...... It's also the day the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire - one of the most important dates in history. Kinda fitting that a Primarch wakes up in the same week and realise the Imperium is not what it was meant to be. Can't see GW missing the significance of that.....
Pretty sure it'll be the week after - Saturday March 4th pre-order for release Saturday 11th March. Could be wrong but all the trailers so far have said March, and it fits the cheesey "March for Macragge" theme, lol. Also might be a total coincidence but March 15th is also the Ides of March, which kinda fits with the Ultramarines theme......
I mean, it could be preorders on the 4th, release on 11th...or it could be preorders this weekend and releasing on the 4th.
February is a short month. They basically are done with the Stormcast releases, missing just the Raptors. It would be weird for the month to end with just one thing as the preorder.
Lance845 wrote: I love the implication that Cawl was told to fix and wake up Rowboat 10,000 years ago and has just been procrastinating this entire time.
If you listen carefully, it wasn't something he was told to "fix and wake up Roboute 10,000 years ago".
The exact quote is:
Ten millennia ago, I was set a task. One abandoned when the galaxy burned.
It was a task he was set to before Guilliman was put into stasis.
Whatever this "task" is? It's something the Emperor himself gave Cawl.
That is huge.
Being a suit of armour/life support, do you reckon the Big E asked Crawl to make this for him? Maybe knowing what was coming at the time of the Heresy. Maybe he even planned to get off the throne at some point? But now with everything going to pot, Crawl is using the suit to reboot Roboute (haha!) instead as he's the perfect candidate to hand being a primarch and everyone knows where he is (unlike the others). Might explain why he has one of the Big E's swords too.
I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
The fact that you made this comment in the NEWS AND RUMOURS thread has me extremely concerned for you.
Not at all.
In our 99 page thread on Black Library News and Rumors, most people are considerate enough to use spoilers when discussing the actual plot lines from those books and short stories. The same should apply in this thread.
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Putting this in spoilers for those that haven't read part 2 and I don't know if it's mentioned in part 1 as I didn't pick it up.
Spoiler:
I think his project is finding a way to sustain guilliman out of stasis, he's been lugging around a box I think it's called the triaros conveyor which I believe will be part of his life support machine in his backpack and the plans on the screen in the video are his plans for the new suit of armour guilliman gets.
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Putting this in spoilers for those that haven't read part 2 and I don't know if it's mentioned in part 1 as I didn't pick it up.
Spoiler:
I think his project is finding a way to sustain guilliman out of stasis, he's been lugging around a box I think it's called the triaros conveyor which I believe will be part of his life support machine in his backpack and the plans on the screen in the video are his plans for the new suit of armour guilliman gets.
He is carrying something, but the Triaros Conveyor is a Mechanicus transport vehicle, not the thing he is carrying.
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Please by Dorn in a Centurion suit, please be Dorn in a Centurion suit, oh please oh please...
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Please by Dorn in a Centurion suit, please be Dorn in a Centurion suit, oh please oh please...
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Please by Dorn in a Centurion suit, please be Dorn in a Centurion suit, oh please oh please...
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Please by Dorn in a Centurion suit, please be Dorn in a Centurion suit, oh please oh please...
Sorry to Ruin your hopes but...
Yeah, we all know it's dorn in a centurion suit mounted on a dreadknight.
We know there are more Primarchs coming, and they seem to want to make their 30k and 40k versions different. With the traitor Primarchs this seems pretty strait forward, just make them daemony. However, how would they do the loyalist ones?
Slight wishlist mode engaged.
Lionel Johnson really makes me blank out. I have nothing for him. I just hope they don't make him ride a giant lion, thunderwolf style.
Leman Russ, Somehow I'm thinking they'll do a giant wulfen/werewolf. If that happens I think there is a 60% chance of "too goofy failure".
Jakata Kan, I'm REALLY keeping my fingers crossed that they put him on a ridiculously large bike/jetbike. Something that is Landspeeder sized with upscaled weapons as well. A hurricane bolter or rapier jetbike would be pretty cool.
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Dorn better be sitting on the throne on paps lap like
Anyone know the exact date when part 1 and part 2 were available? Was it around the 5th of each month?
So we can expect part 3 to be released also at that day of march?
Promethius wrote: I hope Cawl's project isnt 'super space marines' but something more akin to the Imperial webway. i'd like a small technological resurgence in the Imperium, just to justify new tanks etc.
I'm not sure where the rumour on BaC came from re. Guilliman finding another primarch already in the throneroom when he arrives but I'd be interested in finding out if it's true.
Putting this in spoilers for those that haven't read part 2 and I don't know if it's mentioned in part 1 as I didn't pick it up.
Spoiler:
I think his project is finding a way to sustain guilliman out of stasis, he's been lugging around a box I think it's called the triaros conveyor which I believe will be part of his life support machine in his backpack and the plans on the screen in the video are his plans for the new suit of armour guilliman gets.
That doesn't fit very well with the exchange between Abaddon and Zaraphiston from GS I, though.
I imagine the relic he was carrying from part one would be something like
Spoiler:
the Emperors Sword, perhaps the specific one that killed Horus? I mean, it would have to be something that would anger Abaddon...
I wonder how much of Guillimans new suit is there to sustain him and how much is just new, updated armour that he and Cawl was working on. I mean, he was working on it before the heresy broke out, and a Primarch dying before then was unthinkable, so its intended design was probably not life support.
Then again, i suppose it would be a mirror to the Emperors story, except one of them manages to get off his throne. :p
I´m wondering too what cawl has in that stasis chamber.
Spoiler:
TL;DR: in it is some kind of warp-resistant webway creation kit (or an implant or a living medkit)
I don´t think that it is the Emperors sword or any other weapon. Do weapons, especially for CC, do need to be kept in stasis?
As far as i understand it, the task that has been given to cawl pre-heresy is connected with the content of the stasis chamber.
The question is what task would the Emperor give to a high-ranking Tech-Priest? What goals had the Emperor pre-heresy?
I heard of the imperial webway project and the project of improving the space marines (though this is new and might just be an unfounded rumor).
So considering the imperial webay project.
My guess is that the Emperor tasked cawl with developing / acquiring tech that secures the imperial part of the webway without the need of a psyker sitting on the throne.
So in the box is some kind of imperial warp-resistant webway creation kit.
And Cawl needs Roboute to get access to the imperial webway as the High Lords of Terra wouldn´t let him there.
If it isn´t that than Roboute never can sit on the throne, as he is no psyker and couldn´t block the webway entrance. Which would lead to a demon invasion of Terra and may be the end of the Imperium.
Otherwise it may be indeed a new implant for space marines that would not only physically improve them but also make them all psykers. That sounds weird. But would be the only way for Roboute to become a psyker and be able to replace the Emperor. But why would the Emperor task anyone with that? He kept everything about Chaos and the warp secret. Making all the Marines Psykers would contradict his secrecy.
Maybe it is just a living being that can take the wounds, poisons and diseases it is attached to.
So they disengage the stasis of Roboute, face-hug him with that being. When it´s done it dies, fell off and Roboute is as good as new.
I really can´t image it to be any kind of armor. Why would cawl pre-heresy be task with the development of a new armor.
Are there not enough? Power armor, Terminator armor, Cataphractii armor, Centurion armor. Looks very sufficent to me. They should work to adapt all kinds of differents weapon to those armors. Cataphractii without assault cannons and cyclones is simply wrong.
Pre-heresy Roboute wasn´t deadly injured, so no need for an armor with special life support system.
Would be very disappointed if it is an armor.
Another thoughts on part 3.
I don´t think the Emperor is dead, it is enough life left so he can use his psychic powers to keep the gateway closed.
He will only finally die, if
- that gateway is made demon-proofed or
- Magnus turns loyal, be trustworthy and take the seat to close the webway
- he nearly immediatly resurrects
Cypher is a loyalist (to the Emperor) and would only kill him to proof the Starchild theory to be true.
Roboute will be the undoing of the High Lords and the Ecclesiarchy (as it is atm), a new age of enlightenment. No longer idiotic praising of tech but seeing it as useful tools. I really hope for that.
I wont be surprised to see uprated Marines (all stats with 4 going up to 5). Centurions are already halve the way.
There will be a Cadian Defence Force army box, preorder next weekend
via sources on Faeit 212
Preorders for the 25th
Vanguard Raptors - 35$
- 6 Models
- 3 Vanguard Raptors with either Hurricane Crossbows or with Longstrike Crossbows
- 3 Aetherwings
Available to Order Only:
Reikland Reavers - 35$
- 12 Models
- 2 Blitzers, 2 Throwers, 2 Catchers and 6 Linemen
- The same Models as in the Boxed Game
Bloodbowl Ogre - 18$
- 1 Model
- Ogre for Bloodowl on a 32mm Base
Cadian Defence Force - 165$
- 1 Astra Militarum Chimera, 1 Leman Russ, 1 Cadian Heavy Weapon Squad, 1 Cadian Command Squad, 20 Cadian Shock Troops.
- While stock lasts
Warhams-77 wrote: There will be a Cadian Defence Force army box, preorder next weekend
Thats the same defence force box that has been around a long while. Its been out of stock for more than a few months on the UK site (and i guess elsewhere) so either they are putting a few more out, or are clearing stock of some they found in a warehouse/container somewhere.
Crazyterran wrote: I imagine the relic he was carrying from part one would be something like
Spoiler:
the Emperors Sword, perhaps the specific one that killed Horus? I mean, it would have to be something that would anger Abaddon...
Spoiler:
If they don't change it, Horus was killed by a psychic attack.
"His claws take the Emperor across the throat, opening windpipe and jugular. Another blow severs the tendons of his wrist, causing the sword to drop from nerveless fingers."
Crazyterran wrote: I imagine the relic he was carrying from part one would be something like
Spoiler:
the Emperors Sword, perhaps the specific one that killed Horus? I mean, it would have to be something that would anger Abaddon...
Spoiler:
If they don't change it, Horus was killed by a psychic attack.
"His claws take the Emperor across the throat, opening windpipe and jugular. Another blow severs the tendons of his wrist, causing the sword to drop from nerveless fingers."
Crazyterran wrote: I imagine the relic he was carrying from part one would be something like
Spoiler:
the Emperors Sword, perhaps the specific one that killed Horus? I mean, it would have to be something that would anger Abaddon...
Spoiler:
If they don't change it, Horus was killed by a psychic attack.
"His claws take the Emperor across the throat, opening windpipe and jugular. Another blow severs the tendons of his wrist, causing the sword to drop from nerveless fingers."
Whats the source for that quote?
Short story (well, reeeally short) The Emperor and Horus from Bill King. It was published in WD 131 and Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned and later (with change of tense and some details and embedded in a longer text) in one of the Visions books.
Warhams-77 wrote: There will be a Cadian Defence Force army box, preorder next weekend
Thats the same defence force box that has been around a long while. Its been out of stock for more than a few months on the UK site (and i guess elsewhere) so either they are putting a few more out, or are clearing stock of some they found in a warehouse/container somewhere.
Well, it was actually discontinued last year. Some places still had them, but it was gone for some time.
Genestealer Cult players can be pretty happy about it too...
Honestly, I don't see how having Ferrus Manus's head or body in cold storage would anger Abaddon so much. It is probably something a bit more significant than that.
I do like the concept that Cawl's project was a Life-sustaining Armor designed to allow someone mortally injured against a powerful Chaos opponent to regain consciousness and stay mobile.
That it happens to work for Guilliman doesn't mean it was designed for him. The Emperor was known to have powerful precognitive abilities, after all.
That also doesn't entail the armor would work for Big E at this point - just that the armor had a different god-like being in mind for its resurrecting capabilities...
He used to wear clam diggers, a head piece for his braces, and a pocket protector.
Don't be ridiculous. He's just mortified that the other Astartes will find out that he didn't always wear his hair in a topknot but rather hairsprayed/teased his bangs straight up like an 80's valley girl.
Cawl was charged with creating a new body for the Emp. Cawl, unable to find any other way to make a suitable body able to handle the Emp's power, revives RG.
The newly revived RG is not only awake and battle ready, but is more powerful than records seem to state. Understanding his return is only temporary because he is to be the new host for the essence of the Emp, he fights on towards Terra.
Apparently cypher is redloss, first captain of the dark angels dread wing and Captain of the Lions honor guard
Where is this rumor coming from? Is is possible it is from someone who already have the book?
If true than I will be little disappointed.
Spoiler:
I really wanted Zahariel to be true identity of Cypher
info on cypher's early years
Spoiler:
Farith Redloss was a member of the Dark Angels during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy. Redloss was originally a native of Caliban, and most of his family was killed by the Great Beasts that roamed the forest. When he was 8 years old, his settlement was rescued by The Order and Lion El'Jonson. The young but determined fighter was selected to become a member of the Dark Angels thereafter. Eventually commanding the Dreadwing, he became the voted lieutenant of the force after recommendation by his predecessor Constantine. As commander of the Dreadwing, Redloss was frequently at his Primarch Lion El'Jonson's side. When the Lion arrived at Macragge Redloss led his honour guard and later helped battle Konrad Curze when the Night Lords Primarch was loose upon the planet. Farith later helped lead the hunt for Curze, personally leading the Dreadwing in the attack on the Zepath System in the search of the Night Haunter. He then took part in the hunt for Curze in the Illyrium region of Macragge when the Lion finally cornered the Night Haunter.
The Dreadwing was one of the six specialized formations called Wings of the Dark Angels Space Marine Legion during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy. The speciality of Dreadwing was total warfare where the voted-lieutenant bearing title Dreadbringer used Destroyer Marine Squads supported by other types of squads to bring total anihilation of a foe on specific battlefield. The Dreadwing utilized mass armored assaults of Land Raiders, Spartan Assault Carriers, Mastodons and Fellglaives with advanced weaponry. They were also known to employ weapons of mass destruction such as Phosphex and Vortex Weapons.
Captain Azrael wrote: If that is him at all, I think I will wait for the book to come out before I choose to believe this rumor.
But seriously now, would they spoil such a big 40k secret plainly like that in the new book?
They would, if the Dark Angels needed new Leadership... duh duh duh!
If nothing else going to be Good read. After 25 years in this hobby, the story is going to move forward. I hope they do a full Audio Book on Siege of Terra and the battle that ensues above!
It'll prob just be mixing the DA veterans kit with existing marines but hopefully some neat little tricks thrown in.
At least it seems we will be getting rules for a Fallen force, wonder what special rules they will have.
Edit: Hah! Just realised I haven't even touched my BaC marines yet! Well I know what I am making them into! I just love Cypher's model the most out this trio, the flowing tattered robe is so well done and the sword is just badass!
I fail to see how bringing a primarch back to life failed to impress you, but a secret name of a character revealed is over the top for just another 40k expansion.
Ewww. Didn't care for that "reality breaks down but the bad guys are going to help me save it". That sound suspiciously like the AOS crap. 40k was always great because it was a huge galaxy full of neat stuff. They really shouldn't blow it up if they have an ounce of sense. I doubt they'll get more out of trashing everything than they would have of releasing a cool new campaign book like the ones in the past, and they could lose a lot more.
kestral wrote: They really shouldn't blow it up if they have an ounce of sense.
Emps dying and the imperium going to gak is hardly blowing the universe up. If anything it would be nice to have a sense of urgency for the threats to the imperium for a change.
Ork wagghs closing in on IG worlds.
Necron worlds waking up near terra.
A new tyranid arm shows up and confirms that two previously independent swarms are in fact one giant shitstorm of terrible.
And all of it, the IOM can do nothing about because they have no more warp becon Awesome.
Sprues and glue... from what I can see in the pics, the fallen are a dark angels robed sprue and a mk 4 sprue mixed. Doesn't look like a fallen kit, unless they put those sprues in a box and label it a fallen box set.
Yeah I don't think they will bring out a 'fallen' box mixed with DA vets bits and mkIV armour as there wouldn't be any point in the sprue and glue article since you wouldn't really be mixing bits from different kits.
455_PWR wrote: Sprues and glue... from what I can see in the pics, the fallen are a dark angels robed sprue and a mk 4 sprue mixed. Doesn't look like a fallen kit, unless they put those sprues in a box and label it a fallen box set.
It definitely appears that way. Sprue and Glue is one of my favorite articles. I am glad to see it back.
kestral wrote: Ewww. Didn't care for that "reality breaks down but the bad guys are going to help me save it". .
Cypher has never been the bad guy.
You haven't read much of the 30K Dark Angel books have you?
Yeah really, he's definitely the bad guy if you actually read the backstory (not like GW reads it either).
Spoiler:
He sold his soul to Chaos and was responsible for bringing Luther over to Horus' side. The 40k fluff for Cypher basically ignores ALL of the character development from the Heresy series.
Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
To be fair, the 40k fluff ignores a lot of the heresy fluff because ;
A) it's been backfilled in
B) it's always been part of the 40k universe that the "truth" of the heresy is what the imperium says it is.
Cypher is only bad in terms of the imperium definition, he's really neither good nor bad and working to his own agenda, or potentially the agenda of the cabal - think similar to what Ol Pearson is setting up seemingly in the heresy series; a ton of events small and large, designed so that at the right moment in time the right person is in place to change the future.
What if all this was set up, over thousands of years , to put Cypher in place to kill Abaddon (if that's what even happens) ?
kestral wrote: Ewww. Didn't care for that "reality breaks down but the bad guys are going to help me save it". .
Cypher has never been the bad guy.
You haven't read much of the 30K Dark Angel books have you?
Yeah really, he's definitely the bad guy if you actually read the backstory (not like GW reads it either).
Spoiler:
He sold his soul to Chaos and was responsible for bringing Luther over to Horus' side. The 40k fluff for Cypher basically ignores ALL of the character development from the Heresy series.
Guys, come on.
No, that's not true at all. First of all, you're talking about Lord Cypher, which was a pre-heresy post and occupied by multiple people and may not possibly be the same as modern day Cypher.
He could have taken that name as a symbolic title for all we know (we really don't know who Cypher is unless this new material reveals his true identity).
Read Angels of Caliban for the actual facts.
Corrections:
Spoiler:
For one thing, Zahariel kills the Lord Cypher in Angels of Caliban, and then is named the new Lord Cypher by Luther. If Cypher is supposed to be Redloss, Redloss is the voted lieutenant of the Dreadwing and loyal to Lion. He is actually present with him on Macragge and is far away from Caliban during the events of the Heresy. If Cypher is Redloss, he is NOT the same as the Lord Cypher. PS, also noteworthy is that Holguin, leader of the Deathwing, receives the broken shards of the Lion Sword from the Lion, not Redloss. I don't know how much stock I would put in this until it is confirmed.
This is especially because Holguin blames Redloss for the Dark Angels being evicted from Macragge. Holguin is also much closer to Lion, receives the shards of the Lion Sword and goes to Macragge with Lion alone to confront Guilliman.
Second, Luther NEVER declares loyalty to Horus and explicitly says he is declaring Caliban's independence from everyone - Horus, Lion, and even the Emperor.
As far as the original Lord Cypher is concerned, he was on the side of the Watchers and was killed by Zahariel as he was possessed by the Ouroboros. Ouroboros is a very dark and mysterious, possibly Chaos related force at the heart of Caliban that is being contained by The Watchers. The Watchers are the keepers of the Ouroboros. This means Zahariel moved against the Watchers by killing Lord Cypher and cemented his alliance with Luther by the end of the events of this novel.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
Spoiler:
Well who's the "final" 30k Cypher remains to be seen I think. In Angels of Caliban one Cypher was killed and another replaced him. Come to think of it's actually possible for Cypher to be both Chaos corrupted one that converts Luther to Chaos and Imperium's ally...How?
In Angels of Caliban member of Luthor's group killed by then Cypher and assumed Cypher's position. HE could be the Cypher that led Luther to Chaos. Then the dreadwing guy in new book could be the one that becomes Cypher of 40k.
That way we have 2 guys that had title Cypher but completely different allegiance. Could work.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
Yes, 40K Cypher is Zahariel. The Librarian who was possessed by Ourberos, and worked with Luther to turn traitor from the Emperor. Sure, they didn't join with Horus, but they threw in with Chaos none the less.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
Yes, 40K Cypher is Zahariel.
There is no evidence of this.
Zaharial was the one to carry the rank at the time the Fallen came into being. He was possessed by a daemon engine, one of three. In the latest 40K story with his involvement, he was instrumental in those daemon engines being used trying to alter the history that made him an outcast.
There is plenty of evidence supporting it. This latest turn in the story is likely him seeking repentance for what he's done, most likely having finally thrown off the daemon that had possessed him after that whole story.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
Yes, 40K Cypher is Zahariel.
There is no evidence of this.
Zaharial was the one to carry the rank at the time the Fallen came into being.
You don't know that. He was only the one to carry the rank after Luther declares independence. The rank is also a formal rank and does not mean that he is the same person as the 40k Cypher.
He was possessed by a daemon engine, one of three. In the latest 40K story with his involvement, he was instrumental in those daemon engines being used trying to alter the history that made him an outcast.
And how does any of this mean that 40k Cypher is Zahariel?
There is plenty of evidence supporting it. This latest turn in the story is likely him seeking repentance for what he's done, most likely having finally thrown off the daemon that had possessed him after that whole story.
I haven't seen you cite any. This is just your baseless theorizing.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Is there any confirmation so far that 30k Cypher is the same person as 40k Cypher?
Edit either way I agree he's gonna need a fallen retinue. A Gauntlet tactical squad box combo'd with some mk4 and mk3 parts should do the trick nicely.
Yes, 40K Cypher is Zahariel. The Librarian who was possessed by Ourberos, and worked with Luther to turn traitor from the Emperor. Sure, they didn't join with Horus, but they threw in with Chaos none the less.
This is in conflict with this:
Apparently cypher is redloss, first captain of the dark angels dread wing and Captain of the Lions honor guard
Already gave one theory how both characters could be Cypher. Zahariel was Cypher and worked with Luther but will be killed off later. Redloss then later becomes Cypher and goes into 40k.
Technically speaking there could even be 1+ Cypher between Zahariel and Redloss but probably not...
Interesting stuff. I quite like the idea of Cypher as a fallen DA dread pirate Roberts type with the mantle being passed on/taken over the millennia. Cypher as Zahariel could be complicated due to the demonic possession. But having him as some one who has managed to resist possession could explain how he has remained uncorrupted by Chaos and the loss of his psyker powers, as well as a possible link to the old Illuminati fluff.
Lord Kragan wrote: New triumvirate will be 70 euros, book will be 40. Death watch and GSC get separate from box upgrade sprue for 10
please can you explain what are Deathwatch and GSC upgrades?
Thankss
the upgrade sprues that come with sets like the Vanguard Veterans or the Cadian Neophyte Hybrids. This probably signals a cessation of the kits that include them.
A user on faeit just got his white dwarf and has posted a quote from RG from the white dwarf it's pretty small but I think it shows his outlook on the current imperium as it is now.
Spoiler:
Just got my White Dwarf!
There is a nice Guilliman quote in there...
"Thousands of years. And look at what has become of them. Of us. Idolatry. Ignorance. Suffering and squalor, in the name of a god who never desired the title."
-Roboute Guilliman
Lord Kragan wrote: New triumvirate will be 70 euros, book will be 40. Death watch and GSC get separate from box upgrade sprue for 10
please can you explain what are Deathwatch and GSC upgrades?
Thankss
the upgrade sprues that come with sets like the Vanguard Veterans or the Cadian Neophyte Hybrids. This probably signals a cessation of the kits that include them.
If they stop making those kits, I’m glad I picked up my DW land raider last week. For $5 more you got all the options for basic/LRR/LRC plus the DW sprue. Well worth it.
Lord Kragan wrote: New triumvirate will be 70 euros, book will be 40. Death watch and GSC get separate from box upgrade sprue for 10
please can you explain what are Deathwatch and GSC upgrades?
Thankss
the upgrade sprues that come with sets like the Vanguard Veterans or the Cadian Neophyte Hybrids. This probably signals a cessation of the kits that include them.
If they stop making those kits, I’m glad I picked up my DW land raider last week. For $5 more you got all the options for basic/LRR/LRC plus the DW sprue. Well worth it.
From what I understand, the DW vehicle kits were intended to be a limited stock item for a few months. Purportedly it was to test the price points and see if people liked it.
I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll see the standard LR/LRC and Rhino/Razorback kits pulled and reboxed soon. They still use the old "Picture of the model in front of a generic photoshopped background".
Lord Kragan wrote: New triumvirate will be 70 euros, book will be 40. Death watch and GSC get separate from box upgrade sprue for 10
please can you explain what are Deathwatch and GSC upgrades?
Thankss
the upgrade sprues that come with sets like the Vanguard Veterans or the Cadian Neophyte Hybrids. This probably signals a cessation of the kits that include them.
If they stop making those kits, I’m glad I picked up my DW land raider last week. For $5 more you got all the options for basic/LRR/LRC plus the DW sprue. Well worth it.
I am not saying they will discontinue them, but I could see it happening for sure. I have half a mind to pick up a DW Land Raider as well. The additional sprues give you the ability magnetize it with all options. If you don't want to do that, you at least get a free turret for a Razorback (you can probably cut the lascannons apart to make the Lascannon turret if you aren't already swimming in them like me). I am actually thinking of making a basic Land Raider with the kit and using the TLAsC for a Razorback.
I am glad to see that Guilliman hates what the Imperium became. The implications of this are pretty dire. I could see him restarting Imperium Secondus so he can try to salvage what is left of the Imperium.
Davor wrote: He's on the brink of death, comes out fighting like nothing has ever happened? Is this what people mean he's a Mary Sue?
Seems it's linked to Ynnead and Cawl.
We've seen from Part II that Ynnead has serious power over life and death - including returning Thousand Son Rubricae back to full life.
I'd imagine that Ynnead is able to stave off his death, Cawl bungs him in a life support suit, and in time Guilliman is able to heal his otherwise mortal wound.
I still don’t get why the HH marines are more expensive then the 40k ones. OK, that’s a lie, I understand that GW knows they can charge more, so does so. Still irritating.
The terminator kits at least offer a lot more options then their 40k equivalent. Power armor less so.
Davor wrote: He's on the brink of death, comes out fighting like nothing has ever happened? Is this what people mean he's a Mary Sue?
Seems it's linked to Ynnead and Cawl.
We've seen from Part II that Ynnead has serious power over life and death - including returning Thousand Son Rubricae back to full life.
I'd imagine that Ynnead is able to stave off his death, Cawl bungs him in a life support suit, and in time Guilliman is able to heal his otherwise mortal wound.
Nevelon wrote: I still don’t get why the HH marines are more expensive then the 40k ones. OK, that’s a lie, I understand that GW knows they can charge more, so does so. Still irritating.
The terminator kits at least offer a lot more options then their 40k equivalent. Power armor less so.
I think, honestly, what you're seeing here is GW trying their best not to make Forgeworld kits useless/unattractive. I'm 100% convinced that's why the plastic Contemptor is a terribly boring/ugly/gakky kit. I think they knew it'd be out of a boxed game, etc. and didn't want to risk stealing any of Forgeworld's thunder. There's no reason a plastic Contemptor could have not come with the sprue size and options of a normal dreadnought, etc. I think they are being very careful to keep the plastic HH stuff either blase/basic/expensive to keep the HH moneys going to the more expensive range of FW models.
Just read the WD parts on 4chan and as expected Celestine gets boned...
From what the WD says she gives her Rosarius to Ghouliman and both her Geminae die.
I fully expect her to die in this book, it's the only way GW knows how to deal with the sisters...
So what is the point in giving her the Geminae in the first place if they are just to die in the story?
I expect her to get boned even if she had the power to resurrect them before and Yvraine has the power to do so as well but since she is a sister she has to get bent over and butt blasted by the authors.
So now what? Does she lose her Rosarius since she apparently gives it to Ghouliman? So her Geminae are dead and she gives away her Rosarius. Guess she is back to the old Saint Rules? Is this why the digital sororitas rules are still valid?
She does have a rosarius in those rules as well though if I'm not mistaken...
-=Edit=- Put this in a Spoiler tag since it's, you know... a spoiler. - Lorek
Nevelon wrote: I still don’t get why the HH marines are more expensive then the 40k ones. OK, that’s a lie, I understand that GW knows they can charge more, so does so. Still irritating.
The terminator kits at least offer a lot more options then their 40k equivalent. Power armor less so.
I picked up two 10-man squads of Mk III Legion vets (presumably from the... Prospero? box) on ebay for... hrm, $17 each?
They were great for starting my 40K Death Guard army
Lol, those ridiculous marine prices. I can sell them 15 euros per squad to people in my country. I wonder, how much will GW charge for Custodes... 50 euros per 5?
CragHack wrote: Lol, those ridiculous marine prices. I can sell them 15 euros per squad to people in my country.
Not when Burning of Prospero goes away and you don't have a way to get Mark III models at a discount.
I wonder, how much will GW charge for Custodes... 50 euros per 5?
I wouldn't be surprised to see Custodes and Sisters of Silence bumped to 10 for $60 or something like that. They seemed to be pretty popular, and they've learned a bit from the mistakes of the Stormcast/Fyreslayer prices.
CragHack wrote: Lol, those ridiculous marine prices. I can sell them 15 euros per squad to people in my country.
Not when Burning of Prospero goes away and you don't have a way to get Mark III models at a discount.
I wonder, how much will GW charge for Custodes... 50 euros per 5?
I wouldn't be surprised to see Custodes and Sisters of Silence bumped to 10 for $60 or something like that. They seemed to be pretty popular, and they've learned a bit from the mistakes of the Stormcast/Fyreslayer prices.
Calth is still up, so i doubt it's going to be OOP any time soon
Well, FW is currently pricing them 30 quid/5 in their bundles, so I doubt that too. Though I'd wish.
So if I wanted a Robot Ghoulman do you think there will be a flood of them onto ebay resulting in nice low prices the same as the Characters from Calth and Prospero?
I think there is a good base for a Slanneshi Demon Prince with all that gilt,bling and excess ornamentation. Replace the blue with shocking pink or purple and leave the gold.
SeanDrake wrote: So if I wanted a Robot Ghoulman do you think there will be a flood of them onto ebay resulting in nice low prices the same as the Characters from Calth and Prospero?
I think there is a good base for a Slanneshi Demon Prince with all that gilt,bling and excess ornamentation. Replace the blue with shocking pink or purple and leave the gold.
You might be better off buying your own set, keeping Rowboat Girlyman and selling the other bits. I expect he'll be the pricier one of the three models on eBay.
SeanDrake wrote: So if I wanted a Robot Ghoulman do you think there will be a flood of them onto ebay resulting in nice low prices the same as the Characters from Calth and Prospero?
I think there is a good base for a Slanneshi Demon Prince with all that gilt,bling and excess ornamentation. Replace the blue with shocking pink or purple and leave the gold.
You might be better off buying your own set, keeping Rowboat Girlyman and selling the other bits. I expect he'll be the pricier one of the three models on eBay.
I think him and Cypher both are going to fetch a pretty penny, while the GK is the dud of the box.
SeanDrake wrote: So if I wanted a Robot Ghoulman do you think there will be a flood of them onto ebay resulting in nice low prices the same as the Characters from Calth and Prospero?
I think there is a good base for a Slanneshi Demon Prince with all that gilt,bling and excess ornamentation. Replace the blue with shocking pink or purple and leave the gold.
You might be better off buying your own set, keeping Rowboat Girlyman and selling the other bits. I expect he'll be the pricier one of the three models on eBay.
I think him and Cypher both are going to fetch a pretty penny, while the GK is the dud of the box.
Eh, it IS a generic Librarian with a Daemonhammer. It has a specific niche to fulfill.
SeanDrake wrote: So if I wanted a Robot Ghoulman do you think there will be a flood of them onto ebay resulting in nice low prices the same as the Characters from Calth and Prospero?
I think there is a good base for a Slanneshi Demon Prince with all that gilt,bling and excess ornamentation. Replace the blue with shocking pink or purple and leave the gold.
You might be better off buying your own set, keeping Rowboat Girlyman and selling the other bits. I expect he'll be the pricier one of the three models on eBay.
I think him and Cypher both are going to fetch a pretty penny, while the GK is the dud of the box.
Pretty much. Cypher and Big Blue are all I want out of that box. Though I can probably find a use for the GK.
CragHack wrote: Lol, those ridiculous marine prices. I can sell them 15 euros per squad to people in my country.
Not when Burning of Prospero goes away and you don't have a way to get Mark III models at a discount.
And when is that? Battle at calth is still on sale...MKIV marines have been individually available for a long time. Still no sign of BaC discontinuation...
CragHack wrote: Lol, those ridiculous marine prices. I can sell them 15 euros per squad to people in my country.
Not when Burning of Prospero goes away and you don't have a way to get Mark III models at a discount.
And when is that? Battle at calth is still on sale...MKIV marines have been individually available for a long time. Still no sign of BaC discontinuation...
Who knows? Execution Force is still on shelves, despite being "Last Chance to Buy" for quite some time.
Nostromodamus wrote: So he's going to The Rock? I thought he was headed toward Terra?
The Changeling let Luther out of his cell in Part I
...... ....I thought he was stopped just short of doing that ....
I don't think so?
Oh dear. I'll just have to re-read it. Shucks.
The Changeling didn’t get anywhere near Luther. At best he opened up a couple dozen cells before he was stopped.
As far as we know no Fallen actually escaped the Rock itself.
RazorEdge wrote:Guys, did you know that the 30k Horus Heresy novels are NOT CANON?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Davor wrote: He's on the brink of death, comes out fighting like nothing has ever happened? Is this what people mean he's a Mary Sue?
Seems it's linked to Ynnead and Cawl.
We've seen from Part II that Ynnead has serious power over life and death - including returning Thousand Son Rubricae back to full life.
I'd imagine that Ynnead is able to stave off his death, Cawl bungs him in a life support suit, and in time Guilliman is able to heal his otherwise mortal wound.
This is speculation. Not rumour.
That is what I sort of thought. My guess is
Spoiler:
he comes out of statis, he dies, but then he is brought back to life. Not sure if this is how it can go since I couldn't buy the first two books so not sure exactly what is going on. That said if true, couldn't this be done for anyone and nobody would ever die? If anything, they could do the same for the Emperor no?
Davor wrote: That is what I sort of thought. My guess is
Spoiler:
he comes out of statis, he dies, but then he is brought back to life. Not sure if this is how it can go since I couldn't buy the first two books so not sure exactly what is going on. That said if true, couldn't this be done for anyone and nobody would ever die? If anything, they could do the same for the Emperor no?
Spoiler:
The Ynnari Eldar(specifically Yvraine) are the ones who have the power to bring back the dead though. Healing/resurrecting RG is part of there plan to use the Imperium as a meatshield. Saving every pointless Mon-keigh that falls is probably not worth the hassle in there eyes as there's always more where they came from, unlike the precious and irreplaceable members of there own race.
As for using it on the Emperor? Again probably not part of there plan to make the Aeldari great again Even if it was there could be problems, the Ynnari might not have enough power to bring back him back. Mortals even a primarch like RG are one thing. Pulling a being who is more like a minor warp power back into the flesh is something else entirely. That's even assuming the Emperor doesn't resist or that the Eldar are able to approach him(there's a part in the Beast arises series where a Shadowseer enters the Imperial palace and finds being so close to the Emperor distinctly unpleasant)
Nostromodamus wrote: So he's going to The Rock? I thought he was headed toward Terra?
My guess is that he will lead Guilliman to the Emperor and afterwards he will take Guilliman to Rock.
Because
Spoiler:
he is one of the few people beside Emps who actually knows where Lion is, after earning forgiveness from Emps it is only logical that he will try to wake up the Lord of the Angels. So Imperium will have two Primarchs returning in the end.
Davor wrote: That is what I sort of thought. My guess is
Spoiler:
he comes out of statis, he dies, but then he is brought back to life. Not sure if this is how it can go since I couldn't buy the first two books so not sure exactly what is going on. That said if true, couldn't this be done for anyone and nobody would ever die? If anything, they could do the same for the Emperor no?
Spoiler:
The Ynnari Eldar(specifically Yvraine) are the ones who have the power to bring back the dead though. Healing/resurrecting RG is part of there plan to use the Imperium as a meatshield. Saving every pointless Mon-keigh that falls is probably not worth the hassle in there eyes as there's always more where they came from, unlike the precious and irreplaceable members of there own race.
As for using it on the Emperor? Again probably not part of there plan to make the Aeldari great again Even if it was there could be problems, the Ynnari might not have enough power to bring back him back. Mortals even a primarch like RG are one thing. Pulling a being who is more like a minor warp power back into the flesh is something else entirely. That's even assuming the Emperor doesn't resist or that the Eldar are able to approach him(there's a part in the Beast arises series where a Shadowseer enters the Imperial palace and finds being so close to the Emperor distinctly unpleasant)
Thank you for that. Learned a bit and nice to see other ways with good explanation.
Nostromodamus wrote: So he's going to The Rock? I thought he was headed toward Terra?
The Changeling let Luther out of his cell in Part I
...... ....I thought he was stopped just short of doing that ....
I don't think so?
Oh dear. I'll just have to re-read it. Shucks.
The Changeling didn’t get anywhere near Luther. At best he opened up a couple dozen cells before he was stopped.
As far as we know no Fallen actually escaped the Rock itself.
This wouldn't be the first time (I actually missed an entire chapter the first time I read through Fall of Cadia) but... when does that happen? I remember the sidebar
Nostromodamus wrote: So he's going to The Rock? I thought he was headed toward Terra?
The Changeling let Luther out of his cell in Part I
...... ....I thought he was stopped just short of doing that ....
I don't think so?
Oh dear. I'll just have to re-read it. Shucks.
The Changeling didn’t get anywhere near Luther. At best he opened up a couple dozen cells before he was stopped.
As far as we know no Fallen actually escaped the Rock itself.
This wouldn't be the first time (I actually missed an entire chapter the first time I read through Fall of Cadia) but... when does that happen? I remember the sidebar
Spoiler:
implying Cypher was doing something somewhere
but nothing about the Changeling?
I believe there may be some confusion here. The Changeling incident happened in the "Wrath of Magnus" not part one of the Gathering Storm.
GoatboyBeta wrote: With them being released the week after I wonder if part3 will have 40k rules for the Tartatos terminators?
That would be nice. I wouldn't mind seeing them in White Dwarf as well. But I want 40K rules for Plasma Blasters and Reaper Autocannons. It would be nice if they gave Cataphractii to DA and Chaos in this book though.
I really want a Fallen Strike Force in the same way we got the Ulthwe stuff. Have a couple profiles for Fallen Angels (Veterans, Terminators, etc) and have a slot for Cypher.
I really want a Fallen Strike Force in the same way we got the Ulthwe stuff. Have a couple profiles for Fallen Angels (Veterans, Terminators, etc) and have a slot for Cypher.
If that becomes a thing, I will throw my limited hobby funds for march at it.
I really want a Fallen Strike Force in the same way we got the Ulthwe stuff. Have a couple profiles for Fallen Angels (Veterans, Terminators, etc) and have a slot for Cypher.
If that becomes a thing, I will throw my limited hobby funds for march at it.
Even if there is a formation that is just Cypher and a squad of Veterans or a Tactical Squad or two would be good enough for me. I would buy a small force of Fallen just for that. I anticipate at least one formation, but I am hoping for data sheets for Fallen Angels in the same way we got Black Guardian data sheets.
Having looked through the imgur link at the leaked White Dwarf entry... I'm not the only one who saw that they reveal exactly which brother Guilliman meets, right?
Spoiler:
Magnus. I have... concerns... over whether Magnus is going to end up being the new Avatar "Worf Effect" Khaine...
Nostromodamus wrote: So he's going to The Rock? I thought he was headed toward Terra?
My guess is that he will lead Guilliman to the Emperor and afterwards he will take Guilliman to Rock.
Because
Spoiler:
he is one of the few people beside Emps who actually knows where Lion is, after earning forgiveness from Emps it is only logical that he will try to wake up the Lord of the Angels. So Imperium will have two Primarchs returning in the end.
I'm afraid that's unlikely in this book, dude. Based on these leaks.
He's only meeting one Primarch, and....it seems to be a Daemon Primarch we've already met.
casvalremdeikun wrote: It would be nice if they gave Cataphractii to DA and Chaos in this book though.
I definitely agree with that. It's silly that the Chapter known for having the largest store of Terminator suits in their armory has no Cataphractii suits, but everyone else does... literally 100+ Indomitus Pattern suits for each DA successor chapter and 0 Cataphractii lol
But more importantly I'd like to see some lists that incorporate Cataphractii suits for DW armies. That 4++ really has me intrigued, even if the combi bolters are maybe redundant with their TL rule.
Oh hey, I just quoted two people named after two of my favorite characters in bad fiction. CHAAAAAH!
I love how the WD says he'll be meeting a Primarch, there's a picture of him and Magnus looking at one another face to face, and people are still going "Bet it's the Lion!".
I'm afraid that's unlikely in this book, dude. Based on these leaks.
I agree.
I was speaking about that event happening during or after the 8'th edition that is coming most probably this year.
I'm completely on board with that.
Lion is pretty dope, I just hope they have a better sculptor this time. The dude that did the Cypher model did an awesome job.
I think the writers are still figuring what they want to do for closure on the events at Caliban. 40k story is almost moving at too fast of a pace for 30k to keep up at this point.
Once Lion comes back all the guts are gonna get spilled. I think it is high damn time for a Lion Heresy model though. I'd actually love to see a Forgeworld sculpt. DA armor looks dope.
Any ideas what the black-armoured miniatures in the center of this WD photo are? There is Greyfax. And accompanying her are four or five Marines with heavy weapons. Are these Black Templar, Fallen or something else?
I think they are just the Tempestus Scions Greyfax has running about with her.
Just noticed the Templars in that pic at the top, good to know they're getting in on this action still. Wonder what ol'RG thinks of em. I'm ready to drink his purified salty tears.
unmercifulconker wrote: Just noticed the Templars in that pic at the top, good to know they're getting in on this action still. Wonder what ol'RG thinks of em. I'm ready to drink his purified salty tears.
I’m guessing “Yup, those are Dorn’s boys alright. A little crazy, but I can work with that."
H.B.M.C. wrote: I love how the WD says he'll be meeting a Primarch, there's a picture of him and Magnus looking at one another face to face, and people are still going "Bet it's the Lion!".
Forget the razor. Occam needs a fething mallet!
And the caption by the picture saying they meet, for an added cherry on top.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I love how the WD says he'll be meeting a Primarch, there's a picture of him and Magnus looking at one another face to face, and people are still going "Bet it's the Lion!".
Forget the razor. Occam needs a fething mallet!
And the caption by the picture saying they meet, for an added cherry on top.
unmercifulconker wrote: Just noticed the Templars in that pic at the top, good to know they're getting in on this action still. Wonder what ol'RG thinks of em. I'm ready to drink his purified salty tears.
I’m guessing “Yup, those are Dorn’s boys alright. A little crazy, but I can work with that."
In words of dorn himself (who, by the way, ain't getting a mini yet):
Mymearan wrote: Presumably Roboute has been even more super-charged by his new armour as well.
And I just read the text from WD - the section about his jorney from Macragge to Terra ( since it was barely readable in scanlations someone was kind enough to write what was saying ).
Spoiler:
Apparently his new armor is his new life support, he can never leave it. He is told this by Yvraine. I guess that even the death God can do only so much.
Also, what I am interested is the last bit - his arrival to Terra. The guy that read this wrote "For guilliman its a soul shattering experience. (Foreshadowing because of soul shattering)."
I assume it's soul-shattering because he sees what has become of the Imperium, and how it contradicts so much of what The Emperor and his sons tried to create.
Roboute literally turns a heretic terminator into a trash can
it also mentions that he moved with so much speed that the chaos space marines couldn't hang with him
A Primarch beating something down. How novel.
but you would think a chaos space marine overall more experience would even out Roboute's physical advantages? wouldn't they?
Experience only covers so much. 'Primarch has advantage in size, speed, strenght, durability, intelligence and in wargear...
yeah, I think that's a bit like saying, "I'm a 28 year-old bodybuilder and Delta Force member with 7 years of combat experience. I'm fully confident I can kill a 5 year-old Grizzly Bear with my bare hands."
Mymearan wrote: Presumably Roboute has been even more super-charged by his new armour as well.
And I just read the text from WD - the section about his jorney from Macragge to Terra ( since it was barely readable in scanlations someone was kind enough to write what was saying ).
Spoiler:
Apparently his new armor is his new life support, he can never leave it. He is told this by Yvraine. I guess that even the death God can do only so much.
Also, what I am interested is the last bit - his arrival to Terra. The guy that read this wrote "For guilliman its a soul shattering experience. (Foreshadowing because of soul shattering)."
Spoiler:
Soul shattering?
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind#The_God-Incarnate The God Incarnate is a philosophy closely connected to Thorianism that maintains that the Emperor's essence in the Warp may be transferred to a physical vessel, one deemed a Divine Avatar.
It's always been a thing. The only thing one gets from him are inane questions tangentially related to the topic (with no follow up to indicate any genuine interest in the answers.)
Calling a question that seems to posit that a CSM could out-experience his way through a fight against a Primarch inane is way, way more credit than I would ever give it...
there is no need to be rude or nasty too me in this thread
yes i tend to ask alot of questions, im just super excited about this event in warhammer 40k, a paradigm shift for the universe sorry if that offends some of you
Mymearan wrote: Presumably Roboute has been even more super-charged by his new armour as well.
And I just read the text from WD - the section about his jorney from Macragge to Terra ( since it was barely readable in scanlations someone was kind enough to write what was saying ).
Spoiler:
Apparently his new armor is his new life support, he can never leave it. He is told this by Yvraine. I guess that even the death God can do only so much.
Also, what I am interested is the last bit - his arrival to Terra. The guy that read this wrote "For guilliman its a soul shattering experience. (Foreshadowing because of soul shattering)."
Spoiler:
Its"a soul-crushing experience" in the UK edition. So its probably a translation thing not foreshadowing
Holy Terra The capital World of the Imperium of Man, where the Emperor resides on the Golden Throne. It's a stagnant world of misery, suspicion, suffering and fear. It's a soul-crushing experience for Guilliman.
Holy Terra The capital World of the Imperium of Man, where the Emperor resides on the Golden Throne. It's a stagnant world of misery, suspicion, suffering and fear. It's a soul-crushing experience for Guilliman.
LightKing wrote: there is no need to be rude or nasty too me in this thread
yes i tend to ask alot of questions, im just super excited about this event in warhammer 40k, a paradigm shift for the universe sorry if that offends some of you
man alot of you guys are really unlikable people
The problem is you keep asking the same inane questions repeatedly. How many times do we have to tell you that a space marine doesn't hold a candle to a primark? Being excited is fine, bombarding us all with stupid questions that you have repeatedly asked and received the same answer to over the last 6 months or so is not.
LightKing wrote: there is no need to be rude or nasty too me in this thread
yes i tend to ask alot of questions, im just super excited about this event in warhammer 40k, a paradigm shift for the universe sorry if that offends some of you
man alot of you guys are really unlikable people
The problem is you keep asking the same inane questions repeatedly. How many times do we have to tell you that a space marine doesn't hold a candle to a primark? [u]Being excited is fine, bombarding us all with stupid questions that you have repeatedly asked and received the same answer to over the last 6 months or so is not.
I doubt a Marine even has a market stall.....No comparison really,
Why would anyone assume a Chaos terminator has more experience than Robert anyway? Who knows how long that Terminator has been active or how much fighting he has seen?
Even if you throw him a bone and pretend he is an original legion member with 10,000 years of 100% constant combat experience, he isn't overcoming the fact that he is fighting a being exponentially better than he physically with a level of inborn training that simply can't be learned.
Never remove his armour eh? so how does a primarch poo?
Spoiler:
a handy hatch/flap? He is certainly going to wiff! Maybe the smell is what revives the Emperor?
Spoiler:
Maybe it's like astronauts and you just go in the suit?
Belisarius Cawl: "My Lord Guilliman, I have run the diagnostics on your suit and..."
Brrrrrrrrrrrt Belisarius Cawl:"uh...yes. As I was saying, your suit seems to be..."
Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp Guilliman: "What!?"
Belisarius Cawl [muttering]: "Emperor save us, this is exactly why I should have had that procedure to remove my olfactory receptors like I've been meaning to for the last millennia."
LightKing wrote: there is no need to be rude or nasty too me in this thread
yes i tend to ask alot of questions, im just super excited about this event in warhammer 40k, a paradigm shift for the universe sorry if that offends some of you
man alot of you guys are really unlikable people
Really, you should be asking those questions in a different thread. That would go a long way to easing tensions. It's cool to have questions, but so many of the questions you ask would be better off in the general chat.
You know, rather then trying to play mod or bully to lightking and repeatedly accusing him of being annoying and asking stupid questions you could simply hit the ignore button. I mean you can be rude and call him stupid or referr to him as such but to me it seems ironic since it is laughably simple to use that little button.
Sometimes this forum restores my faith in people and times like this it simply disgusts me. I mean, Jesus, you guys do realize young children and people with a variety of histories and back grounds use these forums right? You don't even know who your belittling.
@Neronoxx- See, your post is actually very polite and useful to lightking, thank you sir.
Which would be a perfectly reasonable stance to take with any user that displays what someone else finds annoying habits, if the problem user hadn't already been publicly asked by legitimate moderators to curb the behaviour, publicly apologised, then carried right on with the same behaviour.
For months.
What you may see as bullying is, at this point, simply people reaching the limits of their patience having attempted to be polite in the first instance, and while you're quite correct that young people may be using the board, users that have been registered since 2012 can only be so young, and can certainly be old enough to moderate their behaviour when explicitly asked to do so.
CANON!!!
