That image. That right there just... HNNNGGG. I have no words to explain how I love that image. The Imperium is back, and it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum; and they have been out of gum for a long time.
That image. That right there just... HNNNGGG. I have no words to explain how I love that image. The Imperium is back, and it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum; and they have been out of gum for a long time.
Requisition order for bubble gum denied. Assume ass-kicking protocol, and engage.
Well it seems we're getting "super" marines made from robuts blood. Better in every way then regular ones. The ending paragraphs support this but obviously don't state it directly. Just make vague allusions to new weapons and armies of war never seen before as Guiliman sets cawl to task. So the rumor guy is like 95% likely to be right.
Just read the review of the story. It's very good, but yeah in Revelations it's a little weaker than the stories before it.
The new fluff points are rather interesting and I must say that
Spoiler:
Cypher will get what he wants if they put him in a prison in Imperial Palace.
Also, isn't "as the war against Chaos enters a terrible new phase" a basically confirmation of the beginning of End Times?
Now I am hyped for 8'th and expended fluff it will provide.
three of the best plastic Space Marine sculpts that i have ever seen are coming on Saturday...
this makes me very happy i love the way they are designing the plastic characters over the last few years...
they are such a joy to build and paint...
i thought that the first two Triumvirate boxes were amazing, but they have gone and done one better with the new Cypher, and the plastic Primarch has got me thinking about some cool conversions...
i'll need at least two of these boxes i can't wait for the weekend!!!
Was reading Regimental Standards post and thought it was weird that the supposed quote from RG had him praising the Ecclesiarchy in particular but then had a good chuckle when it had really been 'edited for religious realignment.'
I really hope they explore RG's feelings of the religious side of the Imperium more on the future and something should happen. It's a really interesting subject to think about. On the one hand it's the very thing that scorned a Legion and drove a wedge between father and son, it caused some of the greatest travesties for human history and rightly abhorred by the Emperor to prevent it tarnishing humanity's future.
Then again I don't think the Imperium would have lasted this long without that very faith. There is a quote at the beginning of Hacksaw Ridge which I really like:
"He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. Even youths grow tired and weary and young men stumble and fall. But those who hope in the Lord, will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not be frightened."
I think it would foolish of RG to try and destroy humanity's now cemented faith in the Emperor as a God. Times are only growing darker and it's faith that will shine through.
unmercifulconker wrote: Was reading Regimental Standards post and thought it was weird that the supposed quote from RG had him praising the Ecclesiarchy in particular but then had a good chuckle when it had really been 'edited for religious realignment.'
I really hope they explore RG's feelings of the religious side of the Imperium more on the future and something should happen. It's a really interesting subject to think about. On the one hand it's the very thing that scorned a Legion and drove a wedge between father and son, it caused some of the greatest travesties for human history and rightly abhorred by the Emperor to prevent it tarnishing humanity's future.
Then again I don't think the Imperium would have lasted this long without that very faith. There is a quote at the beginning of Hacksaw Ridge which I really like:
"He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. Even youths grow tired and weary and young men stumble and fall. But those who hope in the Lord, will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not be frightened."
I think it would foolish of RG to try and destroy humanity's now cemented faith in the Emperor as a God. Times are only growing darker and it's faith that will shine through.
According to goon's summary on bolter and chain sword RG does not like the ecclesiarchy at all it takes celestine and greyfax convincing him on how strong and a grip they hold that it would not be wise to have them as an enemy and they would make a useful ally. I think it's more of RG dislikes how far they have taken it when he reaches terra and looks back on the comparisons of what it was like in the past to now. RG has a clear dislike of Idolatry.
Just read the summary for gs3 and have to say I feel vindicated about my suspicions of Robot Ghoulmans intention to take over the imperium after the heresy.
Spoiler:
It confirmed that Robot had made a secret arrangement for cawl to produce his super armour and somthing else after the heresy, and if the other rumors are true that somthing was custodes mk2(made from Robots blood) and mkx armour.
kingbobbito wrote: Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?
Can actually get 5 special weapons...
Only if you have 6 of them. Unlike the old Chosen as Fallen, the Champion can't take special weapons.
shinros wrote: According to goon's summary on bolter and chain sword RG does not like the ecclesiarchy at all it takes celestine and greyfax convincing him on how strong and a grip they hold that it would not be wise to have them as an enemy and they would make a useful ally. I think it's more of RG dislikes how far they have taken it when he reaches terra and looks back on the comparisons of what it was like in the past to now. RG has a clear dislike of Idolatry.
Okay, so if I were guess as to some new Imperial Faction based on Guilliman's more enlightened stance on warfare, I'm going to guess Space Marines won't be squatted (too much history), but that the "army of humanity" will be a mixed-gendered, power-armor-wearing force of boosted humans.
In Guillimans eyes, the "human meat-grinder" battle doctrines of the IG won't stand.
Insectum7 wrote: Okay, so if I were guess as to some new Imperial Faction based on Guilliman's more enlightened stance on warfare, I'm going to guess Space Marines won't be squatted (too much history), but that the "army of humanity" will be a mixed-gendered, power-armor-wearing force of boosted humans.
In Guillimans eyes, the "human meat-grinder" battle doctrines of the IG won't stand.
Honestly I do see scions being expanded if they are making new tech.
Insectum7 wrote: Okay, so if I were guess as to some new Imperial Faction based on Guilliman's more enlightened stance on warfare, I'm going to guess Space Marines won't be squatted (too much history), but that the "army of humanity" will be a mixed-gendered, power-armor-wearing force of boosted humans.
In Guillimans eyes, the "human meat-grinder" battle doctrines of the IG won't stand.
Honestly I do see scions being expanded if they are making new tech.
I don't think that'll be iconic enough for what they're doing/planning. I think they're going to go with something more optimistic to go with their Guilliman-Caesar-Alexander-as-Emperor/Figurehead. Armies of light vs armies of dark, etc. instead of armies of brainwashed warrior slaves vs. armies of dark. I'm expecting some amount of tonal shift as a part of brand update.
Insectum7 wrote: Okay, so if I were guess as to some new Imperial Faction based on Guilliman's more enlightened stance on warfare, I'm going to guess Space Marines won't be squatted (too much history), but that the "army of humanity" will be a mixed-gendered, power-armor-wearing force of boosted humans.
In Guillimans eyes, the "human meat-grinder" battle doctrines of the IG won't stand.
Honestly I do see scions being expanded if they are making new tech.
I don't think that'll be iconic enough for what they're doing/planning. I think they're going to go with something more optimistic to go with their Guilliman-Caesar-Alexander-as-Emperor/Figurehead. Armies of light vs armies of dark, etc. instead of armies of brainwashed warrior slaves vs. armies of dark. I'm expecting some amount of tonal shift as a part of brand update.
Hmm maybe, but I think it's telling that scions were slapped everywhere in gathering storm 1 and visually they look distinct enough compared to the guard. Heck if I recall majority of the cadians were off world I find that kinda strange to be honest.
Gamgee wrote: 40k definitely feels like it's going in a different direction. Less grim dark more... medium grey.
I am seeing it as a facade of hope.
The IoM is less than OK. The Emp punished Lorgar for trying to create this sort of fanaticism in its people. RG knows this and sees it, but knows to remove this way of life after so many years would bring only more problems.
So RG puts on the brave face and drives the IoM forward. Keeping himself and the IoM busy keeps RG from dwelling on the failures of man.
Considering how central Celestine is to the plot, why isn't she or a Sister of Battle on there? Instead we get a Sister of Silence. Or is that an Eldar? Doesn't look like any Eldar I know of.
rather then a new type of marine (space marines based on Gulliman exist. they're called ultramarines) we're proably going to see a new founding. with a Primarch back that may mean purity issues can be resolved.
Well it seems we're getting "super" marines made from robuts blood. Better in every way then regular ones. The ending paragraphs support this but obviously don't state it directly. Just make vague allusions to new weapons and armies of war never seen before as Guiliman sets cawl to task. So the rumor guy is like 95% likely to be right.
Just read the review of the story. It's very good, but yeah in Revelations it's a little weaker than the stories before it.
The new fluff points are rather interesting and I must say that
Spoiler:
Cypher will get what he wants if they put him in a prison in Imperial Palace.
Also, isn't "as the war against Chaos enters a terrible new phase" a basically confirmation of the beginning of End Times?
Now I am hyped for 8'th and expanded fluff it will provide.
Spoiler:
No. I highly doubt we are going to straight into the End Times, just because someone said that we are going into a new phase of a war.
Gamgee wrote: 40k definitely feels like it's going in a different direction. Less grim dark more... medium grey.
Snuh? The greatest hope humanity could possibly have asked for is also telling them they're all idiots and everything they've bled, fought, died for, and hoped for over the last 10 thousand years is a dumpster fire.
Gulliman may be a savior eventually, but so was Jesus, and look how that worked out for him.
Gamgee wrote: 40k definitely feels like it's going in a different direction. Less grim dark more... medium grey.
Snuh? The greatest hope humanity could possibly have asked for is also telling them they're all idiots and everything they've bled, fought, died for, and hoped for over the last 10 thousand years is a dumpster fire.
Gulliman may be a savior eventually, but so was Jesus, and look how that worked out for him.
Yeah I'm thinkin bill hick's prediction for reboute's chances of success aren't lookin too good
It seems to me that the original grimdark of 40k was partly about how terrible things were at present, and partly about how things were only going to get worse going forward. The new fluff seems to be going in the direction of various factions rallying to struggle against that fate. So now there is a move from grimdak to grimhope where there is a shot at actually resisting the final destruction of everything. But even then, it will still be the overzealous IoM, manipulative self-serving Eldar, domineering Tau, and all the rest. It's not like there's a shot at everything winding up as a reasonably 'good' ending (as opposed to AoS where that is portrayed as a real goal), but there is a shot at avoiding ultimate oblivion. And this will be where the game of 40k comes in, instead of playing as forces trying to bring about, or resist against, the inevitable apocalypse it will be playing as forces trying to bring about, or resist against, the preventable apocalypse. Things will still be dystopian, just a few steps less so.
Because Celestine and the Sisters of Battle accompanying her played a major role in the story, unlike Sisters of Silence who played at most an ancillary role. And yet a Sister of Silence gets top billing, center stage surrounded by a guardsman, a knight, a marine, and a custodian, all hovered over by a blank-faced Guilliman... and Sisters of Battle / Celestine get nothing.
If its wasn't for the fact that AoS is new, they'd probably give a run to the SoB's as far as being sidelined goes.
They are as sidelined as all non-ghoul undead, slaanesh demons and mortals, goblins, vanilla orks, non-beastclaw ogres, all varieties of elf, non-Fyreslayer dwarves, and arguably everything Nurgle.
You want to know what they all have in common? They haven't had official model/lore relaunches yet.
Honestly, people need to stop with the whining about "X" faction doesn't get enough screentime, when they haven't even been put on stage yet.
And as Daedalus said, Free People (the Empire) have shown up in the background slightly more prominently as of late, but also are key to the background of the AoS setting (Sigmar led an army of entirely Free People during the Age of Myth)
If its wasn't for the fact that AoS is new, they'd probably give a run to the SoB's as far as being sidelined goes.
They are as sidelined as all non-ghoul undead, slaanesh demons and mortals, goblins, vanilla orks, non-beastclaw ogres, all varieties of elf, non-Fyreslayer dwarves, and arguably everything Nurgle.
You want to know what they all have in common? They haven't had official model/lore relaunches yet.
Honestly, people need to stop with the whining about "X" faction doesn't get enough screentime, when they haven't even been put on stage yet.
And as Daedalus said, Free People (the Empire) have shown up in the background slightly more prominently as of late, but also are key to the background of the AoS setting (Sigmar led an army of entirely Free People during the Age of Myth)
Honestly Sisters are more analogous to Brets or Tomb Kings, they both had lore in the End Times... Hopefully Sisters WONT go that way.
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SeanDrake wrote: Well the Hastings rumour is that the new Gulimarines will obsolete marines in the same way Stormcast did to The Empire.
Luckily I play a 1st founding chapter so can fall back on 30k sucks for my xenos armies though.
Aren't Custodes already 'better space marines' though? At any rate, stormcast are basically fantasy space marines but 40k already has those, so even if there is a 'super space marine' I wouldn't expect them to be the new poster boys like stormcast are. Further, stormcast are to normal humans as space marines are to imperial guard; having one doesn't invalidate the other.
As part of the Talons of the Emperor, the Adeptus Custodes are the golden claws of the Imperial Eagle, the bringers of Terra’s bellicose vengeance across the galaxy. Their gleaming weapons and pageantry of war incorporate the finest examples of the battle-artificer’s skill. This codex gives you full rules for adding Adeptus Custodes to your Warhammer 40,000 armies.
CONTENTS
– Three datasheets: Custodian Guard Squad, Venerable Dreadnought & Land Raider
– One detachment: Golden Legion Task Force
– Armoury of the Adeptus Custodes and Aegis of the Emperor special rule
– Adeptus Custodes Warlord Traits
– Background for the Adeptus Custodes' return to the galaxy
– A showcase of Adeptus Custodes Citadel Miniatures
DESCRIPTION
The hour of action is nigh. With the surge of Chaos activity across the galaxy and the threat of eternal damnation more real than ever, the Adeptus Custodes have taken their vow of protection to its logical extreme – they will see the destruction of those forces who pose a threat to the sanctity of Terra. Clad in baroque, golden artificer armour and armed with priceless relic weaponry, the Adeptus Custodes make for a magnificent sight. They tower over mortal men; each has the statuesque physique of an ancient hero, close to nine feet in height even without his scarlet-crested helm. On the battlefield they are a force to be reckoned with – with guardian spear and ornate broadsword alike, they cut a swathe through the foe, bringing entire armies of traitors and renegades to their knees with the might of the Emperor himself.
This codex includes the full rules for Adeptus Custodes in games of Warhammer 40,000, including a detachment for adding them to your armies, and rules for mighty Custodes Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders!
Small amount of units, but better than an 'aux detachment' I guess
I think this is a good thing and I don't see the sky falling. This is basically repackaging some existing models - from the Prospero box set, the plastic Contemptor, and some gold painted Space Marine tanks - and giving people some extra 40k rules to use. No sign of a downgrade of space marines [there are literally Ultramarines in the front of one of the preview pictures!] or the classic space marines getting the Warhammer Empire treatment. Bring on easier use of some cool models.
I guess this was published prematurely and is only a separately sold part of a Talons of the Emperor (e)book, like Daemons have an Incursion codex extracted and sold separately from Curse of the Wulfen. Maybe we will see an additional, larger (e)book release and/or a similiar document for the sisters.
ruralguard wrote: I think this is a good thing and I don't see the sky falling. This is basically repackaging some existing models - from the Prospero box set, the plastic Contemptor, and some gold painted Space Marine tanks - and giving people some extra 40k rules to use. No sign of a downgrade of space marines [there are literally Ultramarines in the front of one of the preview pictures!] or the classic space marines getting the Warhammer Empire treatment. Bring on easier use of some cool models.
That would be because the rumours were not about custodes, but a new race/faction.
Can we have some of this 'deadly threat' that the Imperium is supposedly facing?
Right now the faction balance is ridiculously one-sided.
Not to mention they basicly just released a hard counter to the most recent chaos release in the form of sisters.
I have heard a rumour that the new Guilmarines are being designed to specifically face roll marines with the fluff justification that they have been produced to take on csm.
Also GS3 states Robot has 4 high lords arrested/neutralized any guesses which. I am leaning towards the Inquisition,navy,guard and assassin's to make his coup easier.
Crazyterran wrote: Id guess Ecclesiarch, Inquisition, Administratum and Mechanicum.
Celestine, Greyfax and Cawl will take over their respective factions.
Possible but I think he will want control of the Navy personally otherwise he is very limited in what he can do, I also don't think he will move against the church that fast.
Depending on the current arrangement of the Council, I'd reckon the Eclesiarch, Abbess of the Adepta Sororitas and the Cardinal of the Holy Synod of Terra along with the Inquisitorial Representative would be likely targets. Gotta kill the raving loonies that are the most differing to Daddy's big plans.
The annoying part of the Custodes release is that there was not a formation that allows Roboute to have an attached squad of Custodes to guard him. Oh well.
Based on gw phoning it in instead of doing a real release and codex.
GW springing big bucks for the paintjob and photos, I have no doubt eavy metal painters can paint anything gold.
I'll give'm this, it shows the power a cohesive colour scheme can have in unifying an army, but at the end of the day its just a gold rhino, gold land raider and gold contemptor.
I agree it is a bit phoned in (so HQ characters, no upgrade kit to add stuff to the vehicles and Contemptor), but it does give another Avenue to field Custodes and Sisters of Silence.
But, this should have hit before the Gathering Storm III, so Roboute could get a Custodes Guard.
guru wrote: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/rise-of-the-primarch-meet-40ks-newest-faction.html
For those who don't want to click through and give BoLS anything:
The two most important bits.
I know this was quite a few pages back, but am I right in assuming that if the Fallen are part of the Fallen Angels faction, that they are explicitly not part of the Chaos Space Marines faction?
guru wrote: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/rise-of-the-primarch-meet-40ks-newest-faction.html
For those who don't want to click through and give BoLS anything:
The two most important bits.
I know this was quite a few pages back, but am I right in assuming that if the Fallen are part of the Fallen Angels faction, that they are explicitly not part of the Chaos Space Marines faction?
That is correct.
It's why Cypher now can be taken alongside of a squad of Fallen rather than just Chosen.
If that set isn't too pricey I am well in. I need a rhino and a landy, i only have one squad of SoS, and another squad of Custodes would round my Custodes out to 3. It can join my ever growing GW backlog anytime
Automatically Appended Next Post: I need Stormcast Marines like I need a hole in the head, though. That is a development I am probably going to ignore.
I know this was quite a few pages back, but am I right in assuming that if the Fallen are part of the Fallen Angels faction, that they are explicitly not part of the Chaos Space Marines faction?
That is correct.
It's why Cypher now can be taken alongside of a squad of Fallen rather than just Chosen.
I only ask because according to page 269 of my copy of Codex: Dark Angels, my Deathwing have the Hatred (Chaos Space Marines) special rule, which as I understand it, is not the same as Hatred (Fallen Angels). So technically, my Deathwing don't hate the fallen?
I know this was quite a few pages back, but am I right in assuming that if the Fallen are part of the Fallen Angels faction, that they are explicitly not part of the Chaos Space Marines faction?
That is correct.
It's why Cypher now can be taken alongside of a squad of Fallen rather than just Chosen.
I only ask because according to page 269 of my copy of Codex: Dark Angels, my Deathwing have the Hatred (Chaos Space Marines) special rule, which as I understand it, is not the same as Hatred (Fallen Angels). So technically, my Deathwing don't hate the fallen?
There's actually a new rule, on the Fallen side, granting Zealot to Deathwing units and removing the "Hatred" bit but adding secondary objectives.
Wait wait wait I just remembered, Primarch blood infused super marines has been done before. During the Horus heresy Corax I think either pioneered or rediscovered the technology and utilized it in a effort to bolster his battered forces in the fight against the traitors, they were called Raptors. Unfortunatley Omegon lead a operation to sabatoge the raptor project before it could be put into full swing.
Spoiler:
If i remember correctly Alpha Legion stole and kept the uncorrupted technology for themselves. So either Cawl rediscovered it from another source or...
In light of them needing vast number of marines fast. Sounds a bit like they might be looking to cloning using enhanced primarch blood.
The benefits would be:
To skip the whole gene seed thingy.
Skip time to find suitable recruits.
Skip time turning recruit into a marine
Not having to retrieve gene seed from dead marine.
Mymearan wrote: Aren't Ultramarines already made from Guilliman's blood? This sounds strange...
That's what has been making me skeptical as well. What is being described is not really any different from the Space Marine process right now.
Until I see something more concrete, I am calling bull.
Current marines are made from geneseed, which has been transferred down so many times over the 10k years since the firsts were made for the great crusade. This new marine is made straight from "fresh" revived dead RG, so I guess it means it's better
Fresh in the sense that they unscrewed the pickle jar, and immediately put him in a walking one he is forbidden to take off. Yeah, you know what, I'm inclined to call bull too. Maybe it's just rumour reverb from the Custodes? A man can dream
Hastings mix up Custodes and new marines? I doubt it. He has been a 40k fan for years and years. If he knows the difference between DW and normal marines to leak that years ago then he almost certainly knows about custodes. If these were cutodes he would just say custodes. He specifies NEW marines. He did say he knew about the plot in the three GS3 books a long time before any of us.
It seems incredibly unlikely he would get custodes (which appear in the very book GS3) and Gullimarines mixed up.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me to deny your new gullimarine overlords.
Gamgee wrote: Hastings mix up Custodes and new marines? I doubt it. He has been a 40k fan for years and years. If he knows the difference between DW and normal marines to leak that years ago then he almost certainly knows about custodes. If these were cutodes he would just say custodes. He specifies NEW marines. He did say he knew about the plot in the three GS3 books a long time before any of us.
It seems incredibly unlikely he would get custodes (which appear in the very book GS3) and Gullimarines mixed up.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me to deny your new gullimarine overlords.
But don't all the ultraultramarine details come from some rando on 4chan rather than Hastings
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
Probably since this has been in the works for about 10k years they probably used RG blood from before stasis, but who knows...
Gamgee wrote: Hastings mix up Custodes and new marines? I doubt it. He has been a 40k fan for years and years. If he knows the difference between DW and normal marines to leak that years ago then he almost certainly knows about custodes. If these were cutodes he would just say custodes. He specifies NEW marines. He did say he knew about the plot in the three GS3 books a long time before any of us.
It seems incredibly unlikely he would get custodes (which appear in the very book GS3) and Gullimarines mixed up.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me to deny your new gullimarine overlords.
But don't all the ultraultramarine details come from some rando on 4chan rather than Hastings
This is what hastings has said directly on the matter. The source is the comment section on war for sigmar where hastings is dropping this info. So he has said stuff on the matter. He says the new marines will be better in every way than normal marines. Like sigmarines to Empire soldiers in AoS. The 4chan poster is the one to describe the model though.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/40k-rumors-guilliman-planning-new-space-marines.html
I'm not sure it should be alarm bells for "super marines" just yet. The larger scale might be just reflective of the larger scale already seen with the Death Watch and Rubic Marines. The scale shift is already in progress. Rather than just having it happen with new releases, they give a fluff justification.
Your glossing over everything hastings said.Hastings has an 80% correct rate on the tracker. Ah well not much else to say now it's all been said. Just waiting for adepticon now. MEA releases that same week. I hope it's good or there's two things to get butthurt about kek.
From the summary of GS3 one wrote on Bolter and Chainsword:
Spoiler:
Yvraine speaks up, explaining that the power she wields as the Emissary of Ynnead will be key to restoring Guilliman. But such power is not wielded without sacrifice – for Guilliman to live again, he must first die.
...she notices Cawl, Tigurius and the Ynnari standing next to Guilliman’s stasis-pod....
Calgar notices the commotion too, and watches in horror as Yvraine raises her sword above Guilliman. He shouts a command to Tigurius, ordering him to stop the xenos witch, but Tigurius shakes his head in response as Yvraine cuts through the power cables sustaining the stasis field. The auto-reliquary that Cawl had been transporting then unfurls, and engulfs Guilliman.
...when the lights on the auto-reliquary blink from red to green. With a hiss, the arms of the auto-reliquary fold back and stepping out with a breathtaking splendour strides Roboute Guilliman.
It sounds to me as if the poison is gone with his first death.
At the end he wrote: New Armies would be raised, in numbers not seen since the days of the Great Crusade. From Cawl’s forges on Mars would come new and terrible weapons whose fury the worshippers of Chaos would be unable to stand.
silent25 wrote: I'm not sure it should be alarm bells for "super marines" just yet. The larger scale might be just reflective of the larger scale already seen with the Death Watch and Rubic Marines. The scale shift is already in progress. Rather than just having it happen with new releases, they give a fluff justification.
Hastings says the new marines will be better in every way than normal marines. Like sigmarines to Empire soldiers. Not that there just bigger or true scale but "Better in every way" specifically they are stronger, faster and tougher.
A Chaos Daemon SC that has existed as is for quite a while so isn't actually new or modified beyond simply getting a bigger, easier to target model. You know, unlike Celestine's new kit, or Cawl, or Greyfax, or the Ynnari lot, or Roboute.....
And a 750 point 1 Legion only LoW that's a FMC and becomes useless if a 140 point Culexus assassin stands near it. P.S. Sisters of Silence do the same thing to it as well.
No, methinks they do not really compare.
As it stands the new Imperial and Eldar SCs will pretty much dumpster the Chaos SCs by default.
It's really, really sad how GW try to set up these fluff battles without realising that trying to re-enact them would be a farce.
Its easy for me to think that (and indeed I hope that) internally custodes are thought of a super space marine variant. If thatz the case Hastings would still very much be correct.
Gamgee wrote: Your glossing over everything hastings said.Hastings has an 80% correct rate on the tracker. Ah well not much else to say now it's all been said. Just waiting for adepticon now. MEA releases that same week. I hope it's good or there's two things to get butthurt about kek.
Gamgee wrote:Your glossing over everything hastings said.Hastings has an 80% correct rate on the tracker. Ah well not much else to say now it's all been said. Just waiting for adepticon now. MEA releases that same week. I hope it's good or there's two things to get butthurt about kek.
SeanDrake wrote:
silent25 wrote: I'm not sure it should be alarm bells for "super marines" just yet. The larger scale might be just reflective of the larger scale already seen with the Death Watch and Rubic Marines. The scale shift is already in progress. Rather than just having it happen with new releases, they give a fluff justification.
Hastings says the new marines will be better in every way than normal marines. Like sigmarines to Empire soldiers. Not that there just bigger or true scale but "Better in every way" specifically they are stronger, faster and tougher.
No I understand that point. I'm just saying these are likely just at the scale already releases. When stood next to a Death Watch, they will be the same size.
It's by no means a foregone conclusion and we know some embellishments/misinformation usually accompany legitimate leaks so there's definitely room for doubt here. Wait and see.
I'm wondering if these super marines won't be made from humans but from regular marines; humans go through an 'upgrade' to become space marines, with the new process being a further 'upgrade' to super marines.
Firefox1 wrote: From the summary of GS3 one wrote on Bolter and Chainsword:
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Yvraine speaks up, explaining that the power she wields as the Emissary of Ynnead will be key to restoring Guilliman. But such power is not wielded without sacrifice – for Guilliman to live again, he must first die.
...she notices Cawl, Tigurius and the Ynnari standing next to Guilliman’s stasis-pod....
Calgar notices the commotion too, and watches in horror as Yvraine raises her sword above Guilliman. He shouts a command to Tigurius, ordering him to stop the xenos witch, but Tigurius shakes his head in response as Yvraine cuts through the power cables sustaining the stasis field. The auto-reliquary that Cawl had been transporting then unfurls, and engulfs Guilliman.
...when the lights on the auto-reliquary blink from red to green. With a hiss, the arms of the auto-reliquary fold back and stepping out with a breathtaking splendour strides Roboute Guilliman.
It sounds to me as if the poison is gone with his first death.
At the end he wrote: New Armies would be raised, in numbers not seen since the days of the Great Crusade. From Cawl’s forges on Mars would come new and terrible weapons whose fury the worshippers of Chaos would be unable to stand.
No word about advanced Space Marines
Let me see if I understand this correctly:
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Eldar healed his soul while Cawl healed his body. The poison was removed after he died.
So the reason he cannot take off his armor is because that will result in death of his soul?
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
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Wait, why is that stupid? That's not a half bad idea, no more idiotic than Vulkan being a perpetual
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
Wait, why is that stupid? That's not a half bad idea, no more idiotic than Vulkan being a perpetual
I have a sneaking suspicion whatever "ailment" is keeping him in his armour and this "pain" he constantly felt will be "healed" with his visit to the Big E.
I wonder if they'll create the NuMarines as a new faction, maybe a new Legion for the new Crusade, instead of kit for current Chapters? That certainly wouldn't sit well with some Chapters.
JohnnyHell wrote: I wonder if they'll create the NuMarines as a new faction, maybe a new Legion for the new Crusade, instead of kit for current Chapters? That certainly wouldn't sit well with some Chapters.
I kind of just hope it is an improvement on the process in making SM. These new, even better, SM will have more to them but take longer to make...that kind of thing.
I thought Guilliman's blood was tainted with poison? Hence the whole life support system on his new armor. How are they going to get around this - some new form of dialysis? If that's the case, why not do the same to Roboute himself?
This is stupid. I don't buy it.
It gets even better. Guilliman can't even take off his armor, lol.
Spoiler:
Wait, why is that stupid? That's not a half bad idea, no more idiotic than Vulkan being a perpetual
I really didn't like the returning Primarch thing, and maybe I still don't. But the realization that Guilliman is a little closer to a galactic Mecha-Hitler warms my heart a bit.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh yeah the reason I came her in the first place.
GW has started giving out free rules downloads. The legion tactical squad rules as a PDF are linked from the new MKIII and IV marines. Funnily, they haven't changed the text and it still says Age of Sigmar in the downloads tab.
That breastplate is entirely new, as is the head. The arm is also new, while similar to the DW stuff - its layered over the forearm armour as apposed to being engraved - that looks like the rumoured control panel. And that shin guard is definitely not DW - no model has that flair.
The cabling & feet colour may just be light distortion. I think this is the real deal boys & girls! very cool - looks like MK9 - a cross over of Power armour and Custode Artificer armour. Awesome!
It's similar, but the face is slightly different. this one is more defined and I think that be hair atop his head - not plating like on the centurions.
Wilson wrote: It's similar, but the face is slightly different. this one is more defined and I think that be hair atop his head - not plating like on the centurions.
Wilson wrote: It's similar, but the face is slightly different. this one is more defined and I think that be hair atop his head - not plating like on the centurions.
It is the same head. It has the same mohawk.
I reckon it's super similar but not the same. The earguards seem bigger on the centurion and the position of the strip over the scalp seems different too.
Also the new one has a few extra defined features in his face- around his mouth mostly.
Wilson wrote: It's similar, but the face is slightly different. this one is more defined and I think that be hair atop his head - not plating like on the centurions.
It is the same head. It has the same mohawk.
I reckon it's super similar but not the same. The earguards seem bigger on the centurion and the position of the strip over the scalp seems different too.
Also the new one has a few extra defined features in his face- around his mouth mostly.
The mohawk's more rounded as well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW my friend sent the picture to GW using a burner email.
Wilson wrote: It's similar, but the face is slightly different. this one is more defined and I think that be hair atop his head - not plating like on the centurions.
It is the same head. It has the same mohawk.
I reckon it's super similar but not the same. The earguards seem bigger on the centurion and the position of the strip over the scalp seems different too.
Also the new one has a few extra defined features in his face- around his mouth mostly.
The mohawk's more rounded as well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW my friend sent the picture to GW using a burner email.
Yeah looking at the head it looks different more defined in a sense.
shinros wrote: Now we just have to wait a few hours to see if GW confirms it or not.
Would they do that?
'Hey it's true here's some more pics of the guys have fun'
Wouldn't they just stay quiet?
No, every time something leaked in case of an actual image a few hours later they would do a funny video confirming it if it just remained text rumor they would not care but actual images? They will do something about.
edit: Also if it's true I know for sure majority of marine players will buy it to convert their army into true scale marines that's what GW is hoping for in my opinion.
I've not been to up to date with how GW has been doing lately other than everyone saying 'Hey they're good now!'
I'm guessing Warhammer Community will be the spot to keep an eye on? Either way, if it's true, they look great and will fit alongside my Stormcast Marines. They have that slightly similiar asthetic, but much more bulkier and armoured. I could use them as vets!
shinros wrote: Now we just have to wait a few hours to see if GW confirms it or not.
Would they do that?
'Hey it's true here's some more pics of the guys have fun'
Wouldn't they just stay quiet?
Considering the Talons of the Emperor was leaked from tiny pixilated image and suddenly the next day they come out, confirm and let us know the box contents...I think GW have woken up.
RyanAvx wrote: I hope it's legit, I love the look of that bolter!
looking at the bolter I think it was proably assmbled by playing a boltgun muzzle on a grenade launcher bit.
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Matt.Kingsley wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen that image posted on someone's hobby blog a few months back.
I'm 99% certain of that and that this is just a 4chan troll.
being beside such an old mini makes it suspect. if it was a pic taken of a prototype from GW's HQ then it seems more likely it would be taken beside a more recent mini. hell proably a space marine to give a sense of the change of scale
Got my "Fallen" boxes last night. Not that I was expecting anything new, I just needed 2 more boxes of Company Vets for bits...and that's exactly what I got. No new art on the boxes, even came with the smaller bases. Cypher art card is cool though.
I doubt it is a conversion. Looks pretty legit to me.
It is also exactly as described in that previous (4chan?) rumour. That person said that they had picture taken in private event, so probably this is the picture.
That same rumour mentioned the Guilliman's blood theory, I hope that part was not true. This model doesn't seem significantly larger (if any) than the new DW and TS marines. The look itself could easily be explained by new gear so I hope that's all there's to it. A new mark or PA and bolter, available to all chapters.
Alpharius wrote: A 'new' Mark of Power Armor for the New Crusade would...make sense!
True. But really, now we have the regular Marine Tactical Squad, Mk III, Mk IV, and this one. Plus all of the Chapter specific ones. Do we really need more Tactical Squads? Though having a base Tactical Squad kit that is one armor Mk might be nice. Also, this might explain the great deal the Armored Assault boxes had.
Well I couldn't really blame them. The original 4chan post did say it was taken at a private event and that it could potentially get someone in trouble. It could someone either paid for tickets or was invited a event by GW to show some new stuff exclusively to that audience probably with a confidentiality statement included and someone went and spilled the beans.
They've been pretty chill sending out review copies so members of the community can indulge in our pastime of rumor mongering, even teasing stuff themselves and having fun with the community. While I'm excited about the "Mk2 Raptors" it kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth that if this is a case of someone taking advantage if GW finally lowering their guard after so long, what effect it might have on how they interact with the community in the future.
I really wouldn't doubt that some of the model designers convert existing parts to show a mock up. So many other people convert things, why not do it and get paid for it while showing an idea of what a model could look like?
RyanAvx wrote: I hope it's legit, I love the look of that bolter!
looking at the bolter I think it was proably assmbled by playing a boltgun muzzle on a grenade launcher bit.
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Having combined several myself in the past to make drum fed shotguns, I can assure you that such a marriage does not produce children that look like this model's Bolter.
With this being out now -- and with the conversation having, understandably, moved towards a different angle going to lock this -- marine related discussion can, of course, continue in that thread.
