1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
Since I wanted an emperor model for my custodes he will be a nice start.
Saves buying the kabuki miniatures one.
Just some cutting and GS work and he's good to go.
That Chaos special character...in an overpriced SM Triumvirate box with Captain Smurfpants.
Siiiiiiigh.
Considering he is a box with RG and a grey knight grand master I don't think he is a follower of chaos.
Or he's using them as an ends to a means. He's never really been a follower of Chaos...but he's not an Imperial either.
And the point is his rules first appeared in the 2nd. ed. Chaos Codex. Then in the 3rd. ed Chaos codex. Then the dataslate where his faction is....wait for it....Chaos Space Marines.
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
Tbf Cypher has never been stated as a follower of chaos and more of a lone agent type.
And for a while now he's been able to be taken in any CSM or non Dark Angel Imperial Army as the same faction.
Also I quite like that he's in MKIII armour. It both looks great and will be good for more plastic 30k character conversions. It's such a shame he'd be in the same boxset as that fugly Guilliman model.
That Chaos special character...in an overpriced SM Triumvirate box with Captain Smurfpants.
Siiiiiiigh.
Well to be fair, Cypher was never really chaos, was he? He was a Fallen, but I don't recall anything in his fluff saying that he was in league with the ruinous powers, just that he was a wanted man by the Dark Angels.
Somewhat disappointed with this one after, what I thought, were two incredible Triumvirate boxes!! New Cypher looks cool, but not fussed by Rowboat at all, and the Grey Knight is a bit too generic!!
Seeing as this says it is wrapping up the Gathering Storm, are we to assume that there will be no fabled Chaos Triumvirate release now? :/
Tannhauser42 wrote: I wonder which primarch model will cost more: GW's plastic or FW's resin?
FW's looks better, in my opinion.
If it's any indicative, Guilliman will most likely be boxed with Cypher and Random-grey-knight for 65 euros. So it depends on your tastes regarding at least one of the other two. Still cheaper overall I'd say.
That Chaos special character...in an overpriced SM Triumvirate box with Captain Smurfpants.
Siiiiiiigh.
Well to be fair, Cypher was never really chaos, was he? He was a Fallen, but I don't recall anything in his fluff saying that he was in league with the ruinous powers, just that he was a wanted man by the Dark Angels.
Is it possible he has been working to ressurect the Emperor if the fluff hints are anything to go by.
Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?
Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.
Rippy wrote: Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.
It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
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40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.
I don't think that is draigo though.
For a start he's lost his signature weapons, armour is completely different and his aged a lot lol.
I'd assume it's just a grandmaster.
If it's a £50 set I'd guess rowboat will be going for £35- £40 on eBay.
So may just buy the set for him and sell the rest off.
Gremore wrote: Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?
Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.
They can use another magic ball to fix him like it fixed vulkans head/brains.
Also didn't they say the orb is what made vulkan immortal .
Gremore wrote: Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?
Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.
Wasn't the entire ynnead cult and Celestine crew arriving at ultramar with some artifacts and stuff. I think there was a bit more to it the. He's done baking.
Well I don't see draigo in any of the pics so far. Why would he abandon his Titan sword for a hammer? This is just a generic GK character. Lets hope GK get a codex out of all this.
No shield and the face is way different, so I doubt it's Draigo.
They're probably waiting to release a plastic Mortarion before they release plastic Draigo, so that they can end a campaign with Draigo carving his name into Mortarion's other heart.
I don't think that is draigo though.
For a start he's lost his signature weapons, armour is completely different and his aged a lot lol.
I'd assume it's just a grandmaster.
If it's a £50 set I'd guess rowboat will be going for £35- £40 on eBay.
So may just buy the set for him and sell the rest off.
I AM SO PUMPED! Abaddon ain't got nothing on Guilliman.
Also, folks, stop hating on him! Read the HH books. He was a badass! It was 10k years of his sons being too literal and taking the Codex as writ (and that Guilliman left out the "think for yourself" clause) that made the Chapter kinda lame. But Guilliman is a total beast!
I never, EVER thought I would see a loyalist Primarch in 40k. EVER. This is amazing.
I wonder if this time there will be some rules for DA in the book... There is a smidgeon of hope with Cypher appearing.
The Inner Circle will get NUTS and hunt that guy down. Again.
If the previous triumvirates are anything to go by, the Grey Knight won't be just some generic Grandmaster. He may be new to the fluff, but they'll give him a name and back story.
DarkStarSabre wrote: Or he's using them as an ends to a means. He's never really been a follower of Chaos...but he's not an Imperial either.
And the point is his rules first appeared in the 2nd. ed. Chaos Codex. Then in the 3rd. ed Chaos codex. Then the dataslate where his faction is....wait for it....Chaos Space Marines.
Even back in 2nd he could be taken by Imperial forces. Look at it this way, a space in the power armour triumvirate has been taken up by something that can be taken by Chaos leaving space for three more characters when they get round to the Chaos triumvirate.
Also, folks, stop hating on him! Read the HH books. He was a badass! It was 10k years of his sons being too literal and taking the Codex as writ (and that Guilliman left out the "think for yourself" clause) that made the Chapter kinda lame. But Guilliman is a total beast!
I never, EVER thought I would see a loyalist Primarch in 40k. EVER. This is amazing.
I know, I love the HH Guilliman and Ultramarine fluff.
I think the model is salvageable with a head-swap to a older head like the one on the upgrade sprue (provided the head isn't massive), replacement of the sword, and careful removal of all that excessive filigree.
Even back in 2nd he could be taken by Imperial forces. Look at it this way, a space in the power armour triumvirate has been taken up by something that can be taken by Chaos leaving space for three more characters when they get round to the Chaos triumvirate.
Also, folks, stop hating on him! Read the HH books. He was a badass! It was 10k years of his sons being too literal and taking the Codex as writ (and that Guilliman left out the "think for yourself" clause) that made the Chapter kinda lame. But Guilliman is a total beast!
I never, EVER thought I would see a loyalist Primarch in 40k. EVER. This is amazing.
I'm right there with you!
This is fantastic!
And that new Cypher looks even better than I'd thought he would - love it all!
Cypher is really great. Not crazy about Guilliman. Seems a little too big even for a primarch. Not a huge fan of the filigree armor trim either. I guess there's onky so many ways to bling out SM armor though.
More disappointed we have a three book campaign about CSMs attacking the imperium and didn't get a single new model for it.
Some people are saying they might turn Abaddon into a Daemon prince, but they could have easily released a new sculpt in terminator armor []and[/] made a new version later. I doubt many CSM players would have been upset by that. Also was looking forward to the named DP from the campaign rumored to get a kit. The current DP model was bad from day one and a new model would at least give conversion options.
Maybe the Imperium just defeats Chaos in this one and they can be done with CSMs altogether. 8th will just be humans and aeldari palling around the Webway while we wait for all the Necrons to wake up or the bugs to come eat us.
Thairne wrote: I wonder if this time there will be some rules for DA in the book... There is a smidgeon of hope with Cypher appearing.
The Inner Circle will get NUTS and hunt that guy down. Again.
I don't know about that. I see what appears to be Fallen behind him... maybe he takes charge of the Dark Angels at the behest of Guilliman. That would be a twist.
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Starfarer wrote: Cypher is really great. Not crazy about Guilliman. Seems a little too big even for a primarch. Not a huge fan of the filigree armor trim either. I guess there's onky so many ways to bling out SM armor though.
More disappointed we have a three book campaign about CSMs attacking the imperium and didn't get a single new model for it.
Some people are saying they might turn Abaddon into a Daemon prince, but they could have easily released a new sculpt in terminator armor []and[/] made a new version later. I doubt many CSM players would have been upset by that. Also was looking forward to the named DP from the campaign rumored to get a kit. The current DP model was bad from day one and a new model would at least give conversion options.
Maybe the Imperium just defeats Chaos in this one and they can be done with CSMs altogether. 8th will just be humans and aeldari palling around the Webway while we wait for all the Necrons to wake up or the bugs to come eat us.
From what we heard from GW, this is the start of a year-long 40k event, right? "Gathering Storm" sounds like the beginning. So this three-parter is just the first part of a bigger narrative.
Abby might die and come back badder than ever. The next trio of Triumvirates might be all Chaos for all we know, as the series moves forward and maybe Chaos grinds on to Terra.
It's not going to happen during Gathering Storm, but it'll be crazy if they don't have the 'Storm' and no character releases for the big antagonists of this whole shebang. All that new artwork for Abaddon would be a hell of a tease.
I am confused why it is gilliman he is the biggest idiot around he has been trying to take over for years.
Loses contact with terra makes a new kingdom, he never helps defend terra. When he losses most of his guys, Robute only has 1000 marines left so he decides everyone else should be the same because it is super not fair for them to have more.
Almost starts a second heresy when people don't do what he wants. Ya he is really the best suited to help save everyone...... the one who took a hissy fit when's horus it in charge. Took 10000 years but he got what he wanted.
Starfarer wrote: Cypher is really great. Not crazy about Guilliman. Seems a little too big even for a primarch. Not a huge fan of the filigree armor trim either. I guess there's only so many ways to bling out SM armor though.
More disappointed we have a three book campaign about CSMs attacking the imperium and didn't get a single new model for it.
Some people are saying they might turn Abaddon into a Daemon prince, but they could have easily released a new sculpt in terminator armor []and[/] made a new version later. I doubt many CSM players would have been upset by that. Also was looking forward to the named DP from the campaign rumored to get a kit. The current DP model was bad from day one and a new model would at least give conversion options.
Maybe the Imperium just defeats Chaos in this one and they can be done with CSMs altogether. 8th will just be humans and aeldari palling around the Webway while we wait for all the Necrons to wake up or the bugs to come eat us.
From what we heard from GW, this is the start of a year-long 40k event, right? "Gathering Storm" sounds like the beginning. So this three-parter is just the first part of a bigger narrative.
Abby might die and come back badder than ever. The next trio of Triumvirates might be all Chaos for all we know, as the series moves forward and maybe Chaos grinds on to Terra.
Yeah I'm sure there will be lots of stuff in 8th. I'm mostly being a wet blanket because I thought the next triumvirate was Chaos. If that Mortarian leak is real, and he's coming out at some point, I'll be happy enough with that. Well, that and new plastic plague marines and terminators and pestigors to match what 1k Sons got.
Also new Warhammer quest already! The warhammer Community post made it seem like it was months out. Wasn't expecting it so soon, but I'm happy to finally give WQ a try.
Really do not like the GW Guilliman model, at least in that photo, looks way over done. I'll be sticking with my FW Guilliman, metal Cypher and kit bashing the new Grey Knight. Will be great to have 40k rules for Guilliman.
So is this just the first trilogy of books in this story? Failbaddon dies in this one and comes back as a DP in a later book?
First I'm a little curious about how/why Rowboat is brought back. Cypher is neat, but an odd choice to show up randomly with Ultramarines. The Grey Knight guy is the first one I think looks pretty cool.
Here's my take: it's all part of the plan. Chaos/Abaddon do X, Y, Z knowing that it'll be so important/dangerous that a Primarch (more than one later?) will be raised as a result...with the intent of sparking a new Imperial civil war when they see what the Imperium has become? Perhaps out of sheer weirdness it'll be Gullyman heading to Terra at the head of a large force - instead of Chaos? (being puppet-stringed the whole way).
Add to it that maybe Abaddon gets slain only to rise as some form of super Chaos beasty (or as mentioned before - replaced by a new "chief" bad guy).
I'd like to see the story skew this way honestly. I'm tired of the slightly black-n-white good vs. evil approach. I'd like the turmoil of either A) a civil war of sorts, or B) Chaos actually starts winning - and winning big.
Wow....the Dark Angels in the background are black. That's kind of cool. I wonder if they're fallen angels or if cypher somehow reunites the chapter. Probably not now that I write it.
Less CSM crying you just got two whole campaign books dedicated to you building up to this 3 part campaign. I think it's fine the rest of the 40k factions got 9 models to share between them.
For the grey knight I'm going to guess loken or garro. Either one is huge in grey knight lore and whereabouts unknown.
Regarding rowboatman let's wait to see the actually model outside of blurry bent cluttered shiny white dwarf scans.
Well, I'm glad to see that the model design team has gone down the Chaos route of 'MORE BLING!!!1!111' for Guilliman...
I get that some people must like that, but it's really not for me. I'll stick to the FW one that's actually got some character to it (in that it's got some nice Roman cues and suchlike).
I really hope they keep Cypher mysterious too. Best part of his character is no-one really knows what on earth he's up to.
If they must, how about plot twist Cypher's not traitor...but the inner circle is! Shyamalaaaaaan!
It's strange, as I find the FW Gulliman static and characterless. I did think of doing UM in HH, but it was the Primach model that put me off, I went Salamanders in the end.
They are obviously fallen behind him then, do any of the books state how many there are left?
Well, I won't be needing this one unless Guilliman is really good. His model definitely looks pretty awesome. I literally just received my metal Cypher, so him being in there pisses me off a lot. Grey Knight is rather inconsequential. So far it is a pass.
gungo wrote: Less CSM crying you just got two whole campaign books dedicated to you building up to this 3 part campaign. I think it's fine the rest of the 40k factions got 9 models to share between them.
For the grey knight I'm going to guess loken or garro. Either one is huge in grey knight lore and whereabouts unknown.
Regarding rowboatman let's wait to see the actually model outside of blurry bent cluttered shiny white dwarf scans.
That, and this is the Gathering Storm.
When said Storm breaks, that's when I reckon we'll get Chaos proper.
I wonder how GW is going to keep Guilliman from turning the Imperium into this bright and shiny happy place of enlightenment.
The Primarchs occupy a place in Imperial religion like the Imperial equivalent of Archangels. How is the Imperium going to react if Guilliman turns around and says "No, actually the Emperor didn't want you to worship him at all. Get rid of all this religious stuff. You've been doing this all wrong"? If anyone in 40K these days can claim to know the Emperor's will, it would be the loyalist Primarchs.
How are they also going to prevent Guilliman and the new shiny Imperium from steamrollering every other faction? The Great Crusade created the Imperium because nobody else could really stand up to and defeat the Primarchs.
I expect GW to gloss over that, even though Guilliman pimped-slapped Lorgar over E-worshipping and that it's what kicked of the Heresy in the first place.
I expect in a paragraph of dialogue or 5 minutes of in-universe time Guilliman will accept all the changes 9000 years has brung so that we can quickly get to the story of 'How to kill Abaddon".
Iracundus wrote: I wonder how GW is going to keep Guilliman from turning the Imperium into this bright and shiny happy place of enlightenment.
The Primarchs occupy a place in Imperial religion like the Imperial equivalent of Archangels. How is the Imperium going to react if Guilliman turns around and says "No, actually the Emperor didn't want you to worship him at all. Get rid of all this religious stuff. You've been doing this all wrong"? If anyone in 40K these days can claim to know the Emperor's will, it would be the loyalist Primarchs.
How are they also going to prevent Guilliman and the new shiny Imperium from steamrollering every other faction? The Great Crusade created the Imperium because nobody else could really stand up to and defeat the Primarchs.
Another round of infighting beteeen the high lords of terra like what happened before! However if anyone gets all upset it's likely the ecclessairy. Poor sisters of battle.
Those are the fallen. Think 13th co. They'd "borrow" armour.
As for this release yet more imperium, really gw. In a release about cadia falling you'd think at least one chaos release but no we get imperial releases. Gaw going to show further disdain to chaos
TBH, Chaos kind of needed those books, and the worst part of it? Everything got lumped into Traitor Legions (except daemons and a teensy tiny bit of Magnus, but little, tbh)
Those are the fallen. Think 13th co. They'd "borrow" armour.
As for this release yet more imperium, really gw. In a release about cadia falling you'd think at least one chaos release but no we get imperial releases. Gaw going to show further disdain to chaos
If I said it once I said it 1000 times gw has been working on minimizing evil guys for years. In aos they are litterally a joke. Chaos marines are the worse army ever made, along with orks. They are there to show how good other armies are. Space marine bob a new guy we are throwing out for you to buy killed a bajillion orks alone then spanked a chaos lord.
If you want models play the good guys. Or good rules.
Let's not forget unlesss something changes cypher is still a unit for codex CSM.
But ya chaos get nothing.
We are taking only about 9 (1 of which is chaos) models since CSM got a massive amount of exclusive content and models.
The griping about lack of chaos content is actually sad.
I think we may get another trilogy of campaign books focusing on 'the bad guys' coming April, May and June. Culminating in the release of that Mortarion model?
Verviedi wrote: ...Oh no... far too much goddamn filigree on Guilliman's armor. That singlehandedly damages the model for me.
Agreed. There are parts of the FW version that I don't love but at least the armor looks ornate whereas the much thicker raised armor detail on this one just looks garish. I don't know if that is a limitation of plastics manufacturing or just a Stormcast Eternal style cranked up to 11 superdudebro design choice but I'm not a fan of it. I am also surprised that they went with Guilliman as well for reasons I stated earlier so kudos of a sort to GW for that at least.
Verviedi wrote: ...Oh no... far too much goddamn filigree on Guilliman's armor. That singlehandedly damages the model for me.
Agreed. There are parts of the FW version that I don't love but at least the armor looks ornate whereas the much thicker raised armor detail on this one just looks garish. I don't know if that is a limitation of plastics manufacturing or just a Stormcast Eternal style cranked up to 11 superdudebro design choice but I'm not a fan of it. I am also surprised that they went with Guilliman as well for reasons I stated earlier so kudos of a sort to GW for that at least.
It was probably partially motivated to make him absolutely different from the FW model, though, too.
Verviedi wrote: ...Oh no... far too much goddamn filigree on Guilliman's armor. That singlehandedly damages the model for me.
Agreed. There are parts of the FW version that I don't love but at least the armor looks ornate whereas the much thicker raised armor detail on this one just looks garish. I don't know if that is a limitation of plastics manufacturing or just a Stormcast Eternal style cranked up to 11 superdudebro design choice but I'm not a fan of it. I am also surprised that they went with Guilliman as well for reasons I stated earlier so kudos of a sort to GW for that at least.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Hmmmm, really like Cypher model, never give a toss about Grey Knights... and...
I think FW is going to sell a lot of Roboute Guilliman models...
His perorations just look so outta place. Maybe its the angel of the photo but his legs look WAY to long, and his torso is super small compared ot the rest of him
Looks like Gilly has had a pretty good growth spurt while he was in stasis.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I wonder if they put him in a Ultra modified dreadknight type suit? Look at the mech works / pistons under the knee plates. Also he had jumped up in size by like 50%.
Cypher needs a better picture, but I'm digging him.
Guilleman, as mentioned, is pretty ornate. I like him though. He looks like how the Ultramarines would clad a living demi-god of an obscure age of myth and legend.
The Grey Knight is apparently Mordrak, someone pointed out the oath shield on his pauldron is Mordrak's.
Well the FW 30K version of him he is standing on a 40mm base and looks to be about 1/3 bigger than a standered terminator.
Now he looks like he is 2/3 the size of a contemptor dread. he is also now on a 60mm base (from the looks of it).
Kanluwen wrote: Cypher needs a better picture, but I'm digging him.
Guilleman, as mentioned, is pretty ornate. I like him though. He looks like how the Ultramarines would clad a living demi-god of an obscure age of myth and legend.
The Grey Knight is apparently Mordrak, someone pointed out the oath shield on his pauldron is Mordrak's.
I do like Cypher a lot. He's going to become my new Praetor for my 1st Legion.
Nicorex wrote: Well the FW 30K version of him he is standing on a 40mm base and looks to be about 1/3 bigger than a standered terminator. Now he looks like he is 2/3 the size of a contemptor dread. he is also now on a 60mm base (from the looks of it).
He's also standing on a giant rock though compared to the other miniatures around him.
All in all he looks to be the same height, it's just that his torso is wider and more triangular, his pauldrons are greaves are larger and chunkier, his fist and sword are way larger, his feet are also larger and his legs don't connect to his hips naturally.
So basically his proportions are even more out of wack than they should be.
Kanluwen wrote: Cypher needs a better picture, but I'm digging him.
Guilleman, as mentioned, is pretty ornate. I like him though. He looks like how the Ultramarines would clad a living demi-god of an obscure age of myth and legend.
The Grey Knight is apparently Mordrak, someone pointed out the oath shield on his pauldron is Mordrak's.
I do like Cypher a lot. He's going to become my new Praetor for my 1st Legion.
I was thinking a Moritat Consul for the 30k side of my Ultras.
The question is how much clean up he would take. Moritats seem to be a little on the roguish side, so a few extra skulls would not out of line. Would need to check for chaos stars or any other unacceptable markings.
Nicorex wrote: Well the FW 30K version of him he is standing on a 40mm base and looks to be about 1/3 bigger than a standered terminator.
Now he looks like he is 2/3 the size of a contemptor dread. he is also now on a 60mm base (from the looks of it).
He's also standing on a giant rock though compared to the other miniatures around him.
All in all he looks to be the same height, it's just that his torso is wider and more triangular, his pauldrons are greaves are larger and chunkier, his fist and sword are way larger, his feet are also larger and his legs don't connect to his hips naturally.
So basically his proportions are even more out of wack than they should be.
Which I find oddly irritating.
It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.
I'm hoping it's just the photo - which would be nothing new for GW. Take the new BB Slayer. From the front, he's doing beard levitation. But the rear view? Clearly mid-leap, and the body has a natural looking flow to it.
Rippy wrote: Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.
It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
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40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.
This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'
I really wish there was a way to legitimately get the lore from these books without paying full price. I don't play Imperium or Eldar but all this story is interesting to me.
So that sword he's rocking, maybe I haven't seen it in here, but does anyone else thing that looks remarkably similar to the sword the Emperor used to fight Horus with?
Rippy wrote: Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.
It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
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40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.
This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'
You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"
Okay....I'm stoked. For someone who has played since the earliest days of Rogue Trader, this is a pretty seminal moment to me. As other's have said, this is only setting things up for big and better things. The second seige of Terra campaign is going to be awesome.
Rowboat looks goofy, and since he was the least likely of the surviving loyalist primarchs to return (Vulkan or the Lion waking up would have made more sense plus it avoids the whole posterboy bashing the ultras don't need any more of) this feels like Spiritual Liege Part XIII: End Tymes™ Boogaloo.
Now if they had wanted him to regain consciousness since he's practically dead, unless they've just tossed his head onto a mechanical body, they should have had another primarch return but have him wake up and just guide the ultras in the background for a bit, helping work out strategy for the Imperium to deal with the threat of the eye opening further. I mean, I'm pretty sure it suits his character a bit more; though I also feel like having a look at how the Imperium is now he'd retry his Imperium Jr project. Either way Rowboat being active will try to take command of the Imperium as a stand in for the Emperor; his revival more than the others return I feel will have a larger impact on the structure of how the Imperium runs and honestly I could see it causing tension perhaps even a smaller civil war within the Imperium due to shifting power.
Of course all that thinking shouldn't get into the way of yet... ANOTHER... Ultramarines victory... yay.
It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.
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No it's not.
They've always been supposed to be bigger.
Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.
.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.
Three books and no Imperial Guard models. Oh good, but now the eternal (loyalist) Space Marine parade can continue.
Naturally if Chaos received a shiny new toy (Primarch) the loyalists had to get one as well, because what Chaos Space Marines needed was more homogenisation.
At least Cypher's an interesting chap. One of out three's better nothing. Then again, he's presumably loyalist now so there goes anything exciting about him gone forever.
It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.
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No it's not.
They've always been supposed to be bigger.
Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.
.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.
or roller blades.
Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.
Think you might've misconstrued.
Roboute's proportions here look off - but according to the background, he should have the same proportions as a human being, just on a massive scale. Your standard Astartes however are described as not maintaining your standard human proportions.
It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.
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No it's not.
They've always been supposed to be bigger.
Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.
.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.
or roller blades.
Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.
Think you might've misconstrued.
Roboute's proportions here look off - but according to the background, he should have the same proportions as a human being, just on a massive scale. Your standard Astartes however are described as not maintaining your standard human proportions.
GW doesn't know the meaning of normal human proportions.
Took a hard look at the differences between 30K and 40K Gulliman today (more closely it is probably the difference between 30K and 31K. His new armor looks like Primarch MK VII armor to me... but more ornate. That sword... my money is on that being the Emperor's sword. I mean... the guy was the Emperor after the Heresy.
The background effect will be HUGE with this guy back.
It happens rather often with these leaks: Models looking not so good and it was only the angle.
I like all 3 of them a lot already, can't wait to see them in a much more detailed view, but the one I'm most pumped about is Cypher! What a glorious return for such a badass!
Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.
.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.
or roller blades.
Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.
Don't you mean Ice Skates? Cuz, ya know....Fenris is an ice planet
I really don't like RG, especially the face
Grey knight looks kind of bland, "uniqueness" wise, but I like, that he's not too overdone with random crap they usually put on Space Marine heroes.
Cypher. Cypher is amazing. The pose, the armor, the cloak.
I need that mini! That's a first SM I wanted to get for a long while.. Last one being Krom from StormKlaw.
Rippy wrote: Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.
It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
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40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.
This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'
You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"
Strange, but Faeit published these predictions 2 hours before the WD leak in reddit
Rippy wrote: Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.
It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition
Add on
40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.
This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'
You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"
Strange, but Faeit published these predictions 2 hours before the WD leak in reddit
Not an Ultramarine fan, but I actually like the model. I disagree with the assumption that the next release will be 8th. Gathering Storm feels more like the buildup to a longer campaign that will lead to 8th. I actually think 8th edition got pushed back from what Sad Panda (where is that guy, anyway?) and a few others implied last year.
You know, maybe with this release we'll finally get the official word on how to pronounce Roboute Guilliman. I can't even spell it, let alone say it.
It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.
.
No it's not.
They've always been supposed to be bigger.
Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.
.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.
It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.
.
No it's not.
They've always been supposed to be bigger.
Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.
.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.
or roller blades.
Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.
Think you might've misconstrued.
Roboute's proportions here look off - but according to the background, he should have the same proportions as a human being, just on a massive scale. Your standard Astartes however are described as not maintaining your standard human proportions.
GW doesn't know the meaning of normal human proportions.
Alarielle would beg to disagree. They at least know how to do properly shaped women.
It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model. Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.
It likely won't be, you're right. It simply looks like it could be, based on the signature giant hammer and the fact that it's a character. Most GK characters, besides him, wield a sword.
Galef wrote: It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.
Someone pointed out that the oathshield he has is Mordrak's.
Galef wrote: It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.
Someone pointed out that the oathshield he has is Mordrak's.
Was there official art for Mordrak? I can't recall and don't have the ancient 5th ed Codex in front of me.
pretre wrote: This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'
You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"
Strange, but Faeit published these predictions 2 hours before the WD leak in reddit
Traditionally, we don't count predictions this close to a leak as being legit. It means the person got the WD in hand and decided to up their rumor cred instead of posting pictures. Feel free to dispute it over in the Ongoing Rumor Accuracy thread.
Galef wrote: It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.
Someone pointed out that the oathshield he has is Mordrak's.
Was there official art for Mordrak? I can't recall and don't have the ancient 5th ed Codex in front of me.
Am going off second-hand sources, mind you. I've never had a huge interest in Grey Knights.
Man Cypher looks badass and the pose on the GK is cool.
I need to see more angles of blue man, its the legs for me, the thighs look a bit too skinny and separated a bit too much for that armour. I know he hasn't been walking much for the past 9000 years but he looks like he's certainly skipped leg day.
Even though I am not too interested in the blue man, I can't wait to see what a Primarch thinks of the Imperium now, gotta grab some popcorn, this gun be good!
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
Tannhauser42 wrote: Mordrak is also the GM of the second company/brotherhood, right? There is a rather prominent Roman numeral 2 on that model's hammer.
I think that may just be an Inquisition "I"? But I do hope it is Mordrak personally.
"Mcragge tech support. How can we help you? Your emperor isn't working right? Have you tried unplugging and plugging him back in? no? I'll wait. It worked on our primarch. "
Audio of psi-comms between High Lords of Terra and Ultramar
Well Rowboat will make a good Emperor conversion, calling it now.
The Fallen army intrigues me. Though not sure why they aint telling guilliman that Lion is sleeping in the rock. Why wouldnt they want more demigods to fight with the imperium
The Fallen army intrigues me. Though not sure why they aint telling guilliman that Lion is sleeping in the rock. Why wouldnt they want more demigods to fight with the imperium
Nobody knows that The Lion is in the Rock.
The Watchers in the Dark are the only ones who are aware of him.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Mordrak is also the GM of the second company/brotherhood, right? There is a rather prominent Roman numeral 2 on that model's hammer.
I think that may just be an Inquisition "I"? But I do hope it is Mordrak personally.
Hmm, yeah, looking closer I think o see the little horizontal lines coming out of it that would make the inquisition symbol. Oh well...
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck and why the Fallen are gonna help save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Oh son that sounds coooooool. I wanna read Cypher stuff now.
Cypher was one of the Lutherites who rebelled against the Imperium (not exactly joining with Chaos). He was also possessed by the demon entity that was trapped in Caliban.
Granted, over the subsequent 10,000 years, a lot of the mans beliefs could have changed.
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Also, from the actual spoiled WD image...
"...Guilliman is clearly not too pleased to see the sword that he's [Cypher] carrying."
The sword will clearly play into the new book's story.
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Also, from the actual spoiled WD image...
"...Guilliman is clearly not too pleased to see the sword that he's [Cypher] carrying."
The sword will clearly play into the new book's story.
My money is that it's the Anathame. The weapon that started the Heresy, but also the weapon responsible for restoring Vulkan to his rightful self after Curze's ministrations.
Cypher wants to use it on the Emperor. That's what I'm betting.
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Oh son that sounds coooooool. I wanna read Cypher stuff now.
Calling it now. It is an Anathame and he wants to kill the Emperor with it so he can be reborn (because Perpetual).
The Fallen army intrigues me. Though not sure why they aint telling guilliman that Lion is sleeping in the rock. Why wouldnt they want more demigods to fight with the imperium
You might have answered your own question!
Maybe The Fallen are now the Good Dark Angels, and the Dark Angels will be the New Fallen, when El'Jonson wakes up and...er...switches sides?
Wasn't there a rumor about a Traitor becoming Loyal, and a Loyalist going Traitor?
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Also, from the actual spoiled WD image...
"...Guilliman is clearly not too pleased to see the sword that he's [Cypher] carrying."
The sword will clearly play into the new book's story.
My money is that it's the Anathame. The weapon that started the Heresy, but also the weapon responsible for restoring Vulkan to his rightful self after Curze's ministrations.
Cypher wants to use it on the Emperor. That's what I'm betting.
Don't let PETA see those models... They look like they have been dragged through a cat box, chewed on by Spots, and left over night in a hamster cage, where they had a long night of abuse.
Meh models, to follow up those really character filled Eldar, and Imperium sets and real underachievers.
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Also, from the actual spoiled WD image...
"...Guilliman is clearly not too pleased to see the sword that he's [Cypher] carrying."
The sword will clearly play into the new book's story.
My money is that it's the Anathame. The weapon that started the Heresy, but also the weapon responsible for restoring Vulkan to his rightful self after Curze's ministrations.
Cypher wants to use it on the Emperor. That's what I'm betting.
The Anathame is always described as more of a knife or dagger. It's definitely not a sword. The most commonly held theory is that it's the Lion Sword... a Dark Angel blade wielded by Lionel Johnson... err, Lion El'Johnson.
Wait, isn't that the Emperor's sword? The burning-fiery one? I wanted to claim that! ARE YOU SAYING I NOW HAVE TO FIGHT PAPA SMURF FOR THE EMPEROR'S BLADE AFTER I SPEND 37'000 YEARS PREPAREING FOR IT!
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Also, from the actual spoiled WD image...
"...Guilliman is clearly not too pleased to see the sword that he's [Cypher] carrying."
The sword will clearly play into the new book's story.
My money is that it's the Anathame. The weapon that started the Heresy, but also the weapon responsible for restoring Vulkan to his rightful self after Curze's ministrations.
Cypher wants to use it on the Emperor. That's what I'm betting.
The Anathame is always described as more of a knife or dagger. It's definitely not a sword. The most commonly held theory is that it's the Lion Sword... a Dark Angel blade wielded by Lionel Johnson... err, Lion El'Johnson.
No, the Athame's that Erebus broke off from it where the daggers. The Anathame was a sword.
I always thought if we could get cinematic's of 40k, my favourite cliff hanger would be inside the Golden Throne room, Custodes turn in surprise at a sudden arrival. The camera pans to the door and all you see next is a black clad boot and then the tip of a blade touches the floor.
Edit: Wait, I thought Cypher was a bad guy, or is it because only the Dark Angels know about the fallen? Are those DA behind Cypher fallen also or just rocking the pre-heresy colours?
It was never confirmed he was a bad guy. He was always this mysterious agent, working solo, with his own plan. This is one of the most intriguing things about him:
The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.
Damn, I can't wait to know more, how the heck the Fallen are gonna save the Imperium! This is gonna be so good!
Also, from the actual spoiled WD image...
"...Guilliman is clearly not too pleased to see the sword that he's [Cypher] carrying."
The sword will clearly play into the new book's story.
My money is that it's the Anathame. The weapon that started the Heresy, but also the weapon responsible for restoring Vulkan to his rightful self after Curze's ministrations.
Cypher wants to use it on the Emperor. That's what I'm betting.
The Anathame is always described as more of a knife or dagger. It's definitely not a sword. The most commonly held theory is that it's the Lion Sword... a Dark Angel blade wielded by Lionel Johnson... err, Lion El'Johnson.
Just so we're clear:
It's not a "theory". It's one of those things where we got switched from "in-universe narrative" to "omniscient narrative".
The Fallen army intrigues me. Though not sure why they aint telling guilliman that Lion is sleeping in the rock. Why wouldnt they want more demigods to fight with the imperium
You might have answered your own question!
Maybe The Fallen are now the Good Dark Angels, and the Dark Angels will be the New Fallen, when El'Jonson wakes up and...er...switches sides?
Wasn't there a rumor about a Traitor becoming Loyal, and a Loyalist going Traitor?
(Or maybe like Kan said, they just don't know!)
if that happens... I have a load of models to throw in the bin.
Not playing heretics. Nu-uh good sir, not a chance in hell.
Inb4 DA are traitors (which is NOT true as confirmed by newer fiction).
I think Girlyman got his Flame Sword from the Magos in part 1. He was carrying a case with him and Chaos was after him for it. So I think the Mech guy presented it to stasis Primarch and woke him up, Papa smurf sees the lion sword on Cypher and knows hes an agent of the Lion, they go to Terra, where the Dark Angels are, wake up the Lion (because reasons) and fight Chaos were we start 8th
Gremore wrote: Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?
Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.
The fluff will be Cypher sneaks up to the stasis chambers and realizes it was never plugged in...he plugs it in...pushes the red glowy button....hears a ding....and Voila!!! Out steps a primarch with a headache
These do not have to be Fallen (heretics) but could be from another era like Greyfax and Cawl or Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor who have kept their armour through the ages etc. There are quite some possibilities, I guess.
gungo wrote: Less CSM crying you just got two whole campaign books dedicated to you building up to this 3 part campaign. I think it's fine the rest of the 40k factions got 9 models to share between them.
For the grey knight I'm going to guess loken or garro. Either one is huge in grey knight lore and whereabouts unknown.
Regarding rowboatman let's wait to see the actually model outside of blurry bent cluttered shiny white dwarf scans.
Pretty sure I said new models. 1k Sons doesn't do much for anyone but 1k Sons players. That's like saying a new Space Wolf codex should be enough for all SM players.
But if you want to talk about books, yeah CSMs got a bunch of expansions all based on an absurdly old CSM codex. A codex that was released at the launch of 6th edition. So here we are on the eve of 8th edition, and we get a few expansion books to keep our armies from being unplayable for a big campaign, only to have it all invalidated in less than 6 months. So exciting.
Also, last I check Tzeentch Daemons was an AOS book release, and new models for them are useless for any CSM players not playing 1k Sons. Which again, isn't a benefit for any CSM players who don't play that army.
And as I said in my post, the rumors were that a CSM triumvirate was coming next. That didn't happen, that's all I expressed disappointment in. I'm aware it is still likely coming. It doesn't change the fact that CSM is stiull using a 20 year old sculpt for Abaddon, among many, many non-existent or decades old kits. It's not unreasonable to hope those get updated when SMs have had multiple plastic kits for every flavor of marine out there.
angelofvengeance wrote: Those of you wondering about Cypher, should check out the Dark Angels novels. Cypher is not what you think...
Or just head over to the various wikis. Cypher has been a mysterious anti hero since 2nd ed. He is on a path to Terra and he is supposed to atone for his prior deads.
That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.
IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
Warhams-77 wrote: These do not have to be Fallen (heretics) but could be from another era like Greyfax and Cawl or Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor who have kept their armour through the ages etc. There are quite some possibilities, I guess.
Unless, they were right all along that the Fallen are in fact the loyalists, and the "dark angels" are the traitor branch.
sfshilo wrote: That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.
IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?
Hahahahahaha, yea unlikely. Unless the Aeldari decide to reforge a relic blade into a clear as day imperial sword and let a filthy Mon' Khye wield it
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
You could be right there!
Maybe?
But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!
But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?
Warhams-77 wrote: These do not have to be Fallen (heretics) but could be from another era like Greyfax and Cawl or Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor who have kept their armour through the ages etc. There are quite some possibilities, I guess.
Unless, they were right all along that the Fallen are in fact the loyalists, and the "dark angels" are the traitor branch.
Or things don't have to be black and white and can be gray. Cypher and the fallen have their own none treacherous agenda while the DA are still good but misguided and to blind with rage to forgive them.
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
You could be right there!
Maybe?
But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!
But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?
Hahaha, silly me, I am the one misremembering... of course now I remember... Isn't Dorn supposed to turn bad and replace Abadon since he is the the grandfather of crusading and won't be outdone by Abadon?
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
You could be right there!
Maybe?
But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!
But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?
Hahaha, silly me, I am the one misremembering... of course now I remember... Isn't Dorn supposed to turn bad and replace Abadon since he is the the grandfather of crusading and won't be outdone by Abadon?
Not a bad theory - combine that with how much he hated the Codex - and possibly by extension Guilliman - that might be enough to push him over the edge!
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
"Additional: I have heard loose rumours that 'a loyalist Primarch will turn, and a Chaos Primarch will turn Loyalist.' I have heard nothing more in this regard....but please be Alpha Legion....please be Alpha Legion. (EDIT: I have heard nothing solid on this! It seems to be intertronz conjecture)"
sfshilo wrote: That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.
IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?
The page implies it's the Emperors Sword if I'm reading it right.
sfshilo wrote: That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.
IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?
Hahahahahaha, yea unlikely. Unless the Aeldari decide to reforge a relic blade into a clear as day imperial sword and let a filthy Mon' Khye wield it
Like when they let a Emperor Daemon, a Inquisitor, a Man-Robot, and an ass load of their minions just walk into a webway? Or when they helped the giant robot-man find that sword?
Dunno the Eldar seemed to be concerned with the big picture lately instead of laying low.
Also, the Emperor should still have his sword right? I mean it doesn't seem like they'd just lose it for no reason, and I do not recall any fluff where it has gone missing?
Something shady is gona happen between RG and cypher, I can feel it. RG is going to be honor bound, but will he double cross cypher? That would shed new light on the old eagle scout wouldn't it?
sfshilo wrote: That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.
IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?
Hahahahahaha, yea unlikely. Unless the Aeldari decide to reforge a relic blade into a clear as day imperial sword and let a filthy Mon' Khye wield it
Like when they let a Emperor Daemon, a Inquisitor, a Man-Robot, and an ass load of their minions just walk into a webway? Or when they helped the giant robot-man find that sword?
Dunno the Eldar seemed to be concerned with the big picture lately instead of laying low.
Also, the Emperor should still have his sword right? I mean it doesn't seem like they'd just lose it for no reason, and I do not recall any fluff where it has gone missing?
LMAO my DE lead tons of xenos through WWP all the time, means nothing, it's fasted route to getting slaves back. I also think your making some broad assumptions about what Cawl has with him.
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
You could be right there!
Maybe?
But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!
But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?
Hahaha, silly me, I am the one misremembering... of course now I remember... Isn't Dorn supposed to turn bad and replace Abadon since he is the the grandfather of crusading and won't be outdone by Abadon?
Also, Grrrr...
I'll have to light another candle tonight to my missing primarch...model. Stupid forge world!
Alpharius wrote: Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!
I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.
"Additional: I have heard loose rumours that 'a loyalist Primarch will turn, and a Chaos Primarch will turn Loyalist.' I have heard nothing more in this regard....but please be Alpha Legion....please be Alpha Legion. (EDIT: I have heard nothing solid on this! It seems to be intertronz conjecture)"
It's from a bad monger, as well.
Interesting thanks Pretre, apparently a bogus rumor monger, but if it were true imagine if RG turns traitor. Remember you don't have to join Chaos to betray the imperium and the high lords after all. He could be sick with the current state of affairs and fracture the smurfs off, while a traitor like lorgar could sneak his way onto the golden throne in a twisted irony, becoming the worshiped god. Nahhhh thats silly
HiveFleetLemanDrop wrote: Noticed that this basically confirms Cypher was carrying around the Emperor's sword.
The text on the page also confirms Cypher is still not a "good guy".
Guilleman has the Emperor's sword. Cypher, or more properly the Lord Cypher, is still carrying The Lion Sword, which Guilleman broke over his knee during the 2nd Imperium time.
I think this would be clearer if people would say "the flaming sword" or "Cypher's sword" instead of "the sword" as we have a bunch of swords being swordy with extra swordbits from other books infiltrating our swordthoughts and confuzzling swordthings.
Rayvon wrote: Oh dear, its all a bit Hollywood for my liking, really not my cup of tea, the fluff has taken a nosedive and the new avenging son looks terrible.
I am betting that the Lion turns to chaos now !
Seems like GW might be onto a a winner though, most people seem well up for this !
What are the odds Cypher turns out to be Lion El'Johnson? Supposedly, Primarchs could control their size.
Primarch could change their size ? Is this really canon ?
It would make a few things more believable at least, as I have a hard time imagining for exemple Lion El'Jonhnow integrating with the local population if he had been a giant as big as the new Roboute model for exemple.
Also when you look at the lion sword in the old picture at http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lion_Sword , you see that the sword was has big as he is tall, meaning that it would be silly to think that Cypher sword could have been it unless of course the primarch could indeed change size.
jtrowell wrote: Primarch could change their size ? Is this really canon ?
It would make a few things more believable at least, as I have a hard time imagining for exemple Lion El'Jonhnow integrating with the local population if he had been a giant as big as the new Roboute model for exemple.
Also when you look at the lion sword in the old picture at http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lion_Sword , you see that the sword was has big as he is tall, meaning that it would be silly to think that Cypher sword could have been it unless of course the primarch could indeed change size.
Couple of things,
first you don't know how big the Lion is from that garbage pic,
second look at the new cypher and you will see a MASSIVE sword hilt at his back
third, if it broken then it ain't that big anymore is it?
Alarmism they said. Baseless complaining they said. Jumping to conclusions they said.
I went looking for a smugface gif to put here, but I couldn't find one that displayed sufficient levels of told-ya-so.
I'm glad some people are excited by Rowboat's return, but bringing back loyalist primarchs isn't something I can get behind, because it's a clear signal that either GW don't care about their own fluff any more or that the whole "it won't be 40K End Times, honest" line is nonsense, because up until recently all of the various primarch-coming-back fluff myths were pretty unequivocal - they only show up again for the end, the finale, the last great final conclusion of humanity's battle against Chaos.
So either GW renege on that and it turns out actually they can pop back round for a cuppa any time they like, or they go through with it and actually play out the final battle and we get Age of the Emperor, or they stop just short of going through with it and leave the clock at one second to midnight. In the first case, you rob their return of any genuine meaning and mystery plus GW would be clearly signalling that no retcon is too big. In the second, while I doubt they'd go as far as Age of Sigmar in terms of reworking the actual factions, the story would be completely different tonally and thematically; 40K is apocalyptic, if you avert the apocalypse and launch Great Crusade 2 - Primarch Boogaloo it's not 40K any more, there would be too much hope and optimism. In the third case, all they'll have done is written themselves into an even tighter corner than they were already in, and forced the rest of us into it with them since "how the end plays out and who wins" was supposed to be our playground, our space to tell our stories in, and they'll have mapped out 90+% of that.
As for the models - the GK looks like a GK, which I suppose is nice if you collect GKs and want a GK character? Seems a bit pedestrian compared to the other Triumvirates, but there's nothing wrong with him. Cypher actually looks pretty great, the cloak in particular looks like it flows really really well, hopefully he'll pop up at a reasonable price on ebay. I'll withold full judgement on Rowboat until we get better pics and the 360 image, but at first glance his anatomy looks a bit off, and the pose looks a bit forced - the FW Rowboat is amazing, good enough I bought him and have a modest UM Legion force planned despite not previously being their biggest fan, this one doesn't stand up too well by comparison. Or at least, that's how it seems based on the initial pic there, we'll wait & see if better pics make him look better.
So Yvraine the Emissary of Ynnead is attempting to find all 5 swords of Mor-Heg (or whatever her name was) in order to fully wake Ynnead early She has already found 3. Anyone want to theorize that Gilliam's sword is another? Or do we know the origin of the Emperor's sword already?
If this concludes the gathering storm trilogy. Then who or what is the storm?
I think the model is okay. The FW face looks better, but the snobby pose kills it for me. Also looks like the emps sword. Which is cool. Cypher and the grey knight definitely look like good models. Overall I like this triumvirate better than Aeldari one but not as moch as the IoM one.
I don't want to sound stupid, but rather than having that Grey Knight guy, I think it would have been awesome to have Nathanial Garro in the set to kick ass against Chaos and his former Primarch!
I admit I haven't read all his H.H books, so please tell me if he's dead. I really don't mind if he is, but it would be cool if he was still kicking around to defend Terra.
He looks much better in that shot. FW still has the better face at least. I like the helmet one better than any of them It gives him this master chief mysteriousness.
He looks neat. A bit plain for a primarch (I mean he literally looks like a giant space marine, which he is) but still nice. This whole stuff though is just... I feel it's too much, too fast. They are just churning out things now at a ridiculous pace. People can barely start one thing before some new cool thing comes out to divert attention. It's gotten a bit crazy. At this point I am thinking it's best to hold off on any 40k purchases until I see what 8th edition is actually like, because they come out with one triumvirate, then show an eldar one, then this one, it's insane. You can't keep up with it.
Gamgee wrote: Can't wait for the necron c'tan model rumoured awhile back. I hope that turns out to be true.
Edit
If they kill off Abbaddon then Vect stands no chance.
Gotta pull one in every thread eh?
I posted my thoughts on the primarch on the other page. I like the models. Especially his helmet option as I already said. As a non marine fan the release does nothing for me so I look ahead to see if anything will catch my eye. So far just the death world forest terrain is on my list. Even then it's not a must have just there if nothing interesting is released.
With that giant flaming sword Robot Girlyman looks like a world of warcraft character. That's a compliment btw because he looks amazing!!!! idk why but that base he's on is really great as well.
I'm quite interested in what Roboute is going to do with the imperium since everyone kind of....threw his book in the toilet and started worshiping the emperor anyways. I don't think he'll be too happy about that.
Wow what a surprise this morning! Very excited. Slightly worried about the suggestion that the Gathering Storm will end with Abbadon killed on Terra - that's not very 1-minute-to-midnight.
Why on Earth have people asked for change and plot advancement ? Now we have this... monstruosity.
At least, the other two guys are nice (especially Cypher).
I posted my thoughts on the primarch on the other page.
I was referring to you doing this type of crap:
Gamgee wrote: Posted on Warhammer 40k facebook. Vect you took the words right out of my mouth. Did people really doubt me when I said Dark Eldar were coming. Muahaha. Sometimes being a visionary takes a little madness.
Spoiler:
Followed by this:
Gamgee wrote: Can't wait for the necron c'tan model rumoured awhile back. I hope that turns out to be true.
Edit
If they kill off Abbaddon then Vect stands no chance.
There was more prior flip flopping but I didn't feel like digging that up
Yeah well that story bit released of Abbaddon dying nails the head in the coffin for every major villain with no model. So I was likely wrong. 40k feels like it's got a chance of becoming 30k v 2 and I find that super boring.
Gulliman with helmet is just awesome. Cypher is a must have as well. The only one not really gettin me is the GK character, so he may just end up on eBay.
Also, did anyone notice the end of the preview video, where they said "and for Terra", without showing us anything? Who knows what awesomeness is awaiting
I really like Cypher's dynamic pose. Reaching for the bolt gun like the gun slinger he is.
I am meh about the Grand Master. It's a nice scuplt, and probably a must have for a GK player, but it just does not have the same presence of the other two kind of how I felt about Greyfax vs. Celestine and Cawl, except Greyfax is more original while the Grand Master is too derivative.
This maybe heresy but I like the 40K Robute more than the FW version. His pose is what the FW one should have been. The detailing on the armour is what I would expect of a primarch. I also like the sword. Then there are the little touches like the XIII on his belt.
For me, this is on my buy list if for no other reason than Cypher and the big guy.
I feel a bit said for those of you who feel underwhelmed or disappointed by the models and direction of the storyline. I guess there truly is no joy in Mudville.
Bi'ios wrote: Gulliman with helmet is just awesome. Cypher is a must have as well. The only one not really gettin me is the GK character, so he may just end up on eBay.
Also, did anyone notice the end of the preview video, where they said "and for Terra", without showing us anything? Who knows what awesomeness is awaiting
After it said 'And for Terra' it said '...if we get there.'
Oh wow seeing these pics at work really brightened up a dreary Friday, and then seeing Robute's helmet( ) made it even better. Really nice models, even if the GK is a bit plain and static in comparison to the other two.
The fluff implications for this little group are immense. Hopefully we will get some good reactions from Robute about the current state of the Imperium. It would be even better if he meets Celestine and realises that Logar may have been right all along I wonder what the story is with the fallen/legion DA? They look fresh from the Heresy, as well as fighting along side the Grey knights. If they and Cypher were Chaos tainted surely the GK would be getting all smitey instead of fighting with them?
From the live Twitch stream. *sigh* Roboute curb stomps the chaos forces after he wakes up. His strategic genius turns the tides. There is some left on the planet but crippled.
The dead man Papa Smurf is back after having his throat slit by Fulgrim... and his model just looks awful compared to the FW one.
Cypher, one of the coolest looking chaos characters, has turned good and I bet they won't even reveal the Lion was a traitor all along. (At least his model looks good, shame I won't be able to use it :( )
Voldus. Meh, not a bad model. (They better reveal who the silver knight was though as his counter)
And finally, Abaddon is getting axed. Battle of Terra part 2, warmaster dies again, chaos scuttle back to the eye, nothing has changed. (<--- Advances the plot without advancing the plot)
I don't know if I'm just in a bad mood but I can't even muster up any kind of positive emotion in this release, all I have is mild disgust for GW right now and if Gathering storm part 2 ends with Ynead killing Slaanesh then I might just flip before 8th.
Ynneadwraith wrote: Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.
I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.
Grumble grumble.
Watch the Tau go full dumbass bad guy and get destroyed in the glorious dude bro fist of a thousand primarch strong army as they find out how to create more.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: That pic of the Black Legion arrayed against the Smurfs....how many do you reckon saw Guilliman and thought 'oh..........bollocks
Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....
What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?
And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?
Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!
Guilliman looks like he would be easy to convert to be from any chapter with minimal effort with a little filing and greenstuff. I think i have a summer project planned up =)
They are busy telling the Twitch stream right now to be patient for the next month or two. They revealed what's coming in March, but don't want us to get all crazy about what comes after.
Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....
What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?
And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?
Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!
Which is exactly why bringing back loyalist primarchs was a daft idea.
Since we now know there won't be a chaos triumpherate for this series I'm guessing we'll get some kind of Abbadon ascendant model in the next campaign book set. Probably something big like Gulliman or even Archaeon.
Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....
What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?
And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?
Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!
Which is exactly why bringing back loyalist primarchs was a daft idea.
Exactly. One of two things happen. The Space Marine fluff insanity goes insane with them basically curb stomping the galaxy. Since there is no credible threat to a primarch except another primarch or deamon prince or greater deamon they then have to make those. Then the xenos die or they get something to fight back or somehow manage to not get curb stomped off the map and then the fans of primarchs get mad.
It makes a silly game less about armies and politics and intrigue between them and the ever darkening of the universe to fan spank about primarchs until the end of real life time.
I hope GW shows some story restraint and show the primarchs as fallible and able to be defearted by things other than the biggest of threats, but I highly HIGHLY doubt it. It's Age of the Emperor in everything but name only.
Ynneadwraith wrote: Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.
I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.
Grumble grumble.
Let's wait and see.
After all, the Eldar aren't noted for their actual altruism. Every act furthers their own goal.....every single act.
True. I wait expectantly, although alas not hopefully going by the heroic rhetoric around guilliman.
I'd just love, as in be actually ecstatic, if guilliman came back and he was a b*stard. It'd fit so beautifully with the idea that the Imperium had hero-worshipped the primarchs to the point they had become mostly fiction...and the reality is far from what they expected.
Just anything with more nuance than 'Guilliman is the greatest hope for the glorious imperium'.
Ynneadwraith wrote: Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.
I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.
Grumble grumble.
Let's wait and see.
After all, the Eldar aren't noted for their actual altruism. Every act furthers their own goal.....every single act.
True. I wait expectantly, although alas not hopefully going by the heroic rhetoric around guilliman.
I'd just love, as in be actually ecstatic, if guilliman came back and he was a b*stard. It'd fit so beautifully with the idea that the Imperium had hero-worshipped the primarchs to the point they had become mostly fiction...and the reality is far from what they expected.
Just anything with more nuance than 'Guilliman is the greatest hope for the glorious imperium'.
Yep this is exactly what seems to be happening. Mary sue is in the house.
son that sounds coooooool. I wanna read Cypher stuff now.
