From the comments and conversations on the kickstarter campaign it appears the gaming world would love some beautifully designed, hard plastic, hard core sci-fi scenery – and who are we to deny the hobbyist what they want? That is not the way Mantic rolls!
The Deadzone terrain was planned to offer a range of hard plastic 3” x 3” tiles that can be combined in infinite ways to create fantastic centrepieces for your sci-fi games to be fought over – naturally they will be ideal for Deadzone, but we knew they would work equally well for other sci-fi games – both Skirmish and full table top wargames!
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Our latest discussions with the tool maker suggest these will come with 6 tiles (with 2 Barricades/Half tiles counting as 1 Tile) to a sprue, with all the connectors you need on a separate sprue. We will be upgrading your pledge to include connector sprues in addition to the sprues you are already getting automatically.
To offer the most choice and flexibility we have come up with a ‘BattleZone’. A BattleZone will contain 3 sprues of tiles plus enough connectors to create varied and great looking designs. So far we have the ‘Core World BattleZone’ - the walls, floors and doorways. Going forward we can then fund new BattleZones – each with its own unique feel. Each BattleZone will have a theme or purpose that will add more kit bashing possibilities and more variety to the game play too. To see more about the tiles and the designs please have a look at the videos on the Kickstarter and the Mantic blog.
The One-Click Wargames Table!
We have now added 2 pledge options that allow you to go just for the scenery - so if you love the scenery but are playing a different game right now you can add just the buildings.
- The One-click Urban Battlefield ($100) will give roughly 4 buildings of various sizes to use in a normal wargame.
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- The One-click Urban Wargames ($285) will give you enough tiles, connectors and accessory sprues to generously cover a 6 x 4 gaming table with a wide selection of fantastic urban terrain.
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For backers of the Deadzone game itself there is more great news, you can now add a buildings upgrade to your pledge!
Please add $5 Shipping if not adding to a pledge of $100 and up.
We will soon be able to offer new BattleZones throughout the campaign, and at the end you just select the ones you want.
The first we are funding will be the ‘BattleZone - Landing Pad’. It will not only allow you to create a great looking place to drop your spaceships – but also various tiles to offer interesting angles for walls and triangular pieces to create your own unique terrain.
We hope this will allow us to continue to fund Deadzone to make a fast, tactical skirmish game that will offer more fantastic scenery to go with the choice of 4 (Or More?) factions, cool hero figures and lots, lots more!!!
Thank you for the incredible support we have received so far. I hope the terrain options will allow us to push this kickstarter to even bigger heights and bring in even more backers. I think we are creating something special here, and we could not do it without your support
Funding was at $355,215 when the terrain add-ons dropped, lets see how crazy it goes from here. Also 300 posts woot!, I deserve a title.
Yep just added those to my post, missed them at first. These extra battlezones are going to be interesting, I wonder how long before they become stretch goals?
Interesting development. I was a bit skeptical of the price at first, but if the sprues we are looking at are an example, then we're looking at about a buck per full panel section (less for smaller sizes, which is actually quite good when you look at what similarly sized scenery costs in resin.
I would like to see an add-on that allows you to buy just one battlezone. Some of us may not need 4 battlezones (the 95 buck level) to add too our pledges.
@Alpharius - you don't need to add the Early Bird, you can just add the funds for the add-on, it's the same price for people who have already pledged for the game. Just add $95 or $280 to your pledge :-)
Good to see this. As it stands I've already set my pledge but the mats are definitely out in favor of more terrain. The price is solid. We've got 2 buildings already once the newest stretch gets funded so another 8 for $23 per full one story building is is excellent. Well, unless they get some good add-on models this is where all my additional funds are going. Forgefathers could get me above my $300 though
Presumably if I go for the $95 terrain option (covering 2x4), I will need to buy an extra gaming mat? Am I correct in assuming that each gaming mat is 2x2?
Otherwise this terrain looks great! Am already having some thoughts about accessorising mine.
$5 per sprue is perfect as far as I'm concerned, I was expecting it to cost around $8 or more. I intend to use this stuff for Deadzone, Infinity and maybe 40k (and thats a big maybe at this rate) if I keep playing it, plan on building an industrial shanty town similar to the helghast homeworld from killzone, its gonna be great.
urban batlle will give how much more terrain sprue compare to what we get in strike team?
From what I can see, it deosn't seem like such a good deal unless you go with the 285 add-on, cause, unless I'm missing something, for the same price (90$) I can get 3 Sanctum Imperialis from GW, and It doesn't seem like theyr is much of a difference in the size of the terrain you get.
Well, that's me up to $350. That may be a bit of a high estimation for the amount of stuff I want at the end of the kickstarter but it'll do for now.
Hopefully one of the terrain battlezone is a badlands / desert theme to go with my main boards. But then, it's unpainted, so I'm not entirely sure how they'll be able to really define several different 'themes'.
Compel wrote: Well, that's me up to $350. That may be a bit of a high estimation for the amount of stuff I want at the end of the kickstarter but it'll do for now.
Hopefully one of the terrain battlezone is a badlands / desert theme to go with my main boards. But then, it's unpainted, so I'm not entirely sure how they'll be able to really define several different 'themes'.
It's likely to take the form of additional sets that expand the core worlds set, and fit with its style.
For example, they're planning a landing pad set, and have also mentioned a set with triangle pieces to allow for 45 degree corners. It's likely that the connector sprue and accessory sprue will remain the same, and the main building sprues will be the thing that gets remade as each new battlezone gets produced.
Landing pad is... interesting, and hints at a dropship or something later down the line.
Hmm, I'm still holding off on going add-on crazy until Forge Fathers drop, but depending on fundage I think the $95 set will go well with what I have at Strike Force. Either way, this definitely jumped the pace up a bit. It will be interesting to see how this translates during the Friday rush.
Compel wrote: Well, that's me up to $350. That may be a bit of a high estimation for the amount of stuff I want at the end of the kickstarter but it'll do for now.
Hopefully one of the terrain battlezone is a badlands / desert theme to go with my main boards. But then, it's unpainted, so I'm not entirely sure how they'll be able to really define several different 'themes'.
It's likely to take the form of additional sets that expand the core worlds set, and fit with its style.
For example, they're planning a landing pad set, and have also mentioned a set with triangle pieces to allow for 45 degree corners. It's likely that the connector sprue and accessory sprue will remain the same, and the main building sprues will be the thing that gets remade as each new battlezone gets produced.
Landing pad is... interesting, and hints at a dropship or something later down the line.
One thing i've BADLY wanted from this Kickstarter is a few "bigger" pieces.... ala a Dropship, vehicles, etc... As someone getting ready for the Warpath relaunch, I think it makes for a good preview, and in my book, table-top mini games always look best when scale allows things to look really interesting. A scale drop-ship might not have mechanical value in Deadzone itself (it might just put a great terrain piece), but if it is a model/unit for Warpath, so much the better.
Whenever I say this on the KS I get grief for the size of the game not supporting vehicles, "this isn't for Warpath! Wahhhhhhhhhhhh", type response.... but from Mantic's add-ons, the bundles of mats, and hell, even saying as much... it is clear they're looking at Deadzone being a bigger game than just the 2x2 it currently is.
Edit: And there you go... the newest update essentially says 4x4 Deadzone is already coming. Vehicles please!
^ I completely agree with you, in fact I'm mainly interested in backing this to get minis and terrain for Warpath, and it's all 100% compatible for Warpath 2.0, too.
I'm eyeing up getting a full 4x4 urban board + terrain currently, possibly in the form of 3x strike team + 1 rubber mat, so I get the insane value of Strike Team, multiplied and at a discount, with all the terrain and a big enough board for Warpath. And small armies for 4 factions too.
"Suppression Team" level (3x Strike Team) at $430 is really, really tempting. Already worth $900 minimum, and likely to be worth $1500-$200 by the time this is over and done with.
It is very possible to start looking at this from a mass-battles warpath perspective, I think. Mantic are certainly leaving the door open to that.
Wow – what a start to our Scenery Spectacular! We’re already chunking through the Early Bird Pledge Levels – looks like there are going to be some pretty densely covered wargames tables out there!
For those of you playing Deadzone or just looking to add a couple of buildings to your collection, we’ve now got a $50 add-on allowing you to pick up two BattleZones (9 Sprues) – that’s a total of 6 building sprues (36 Tiles), 2 Connector sprues and 1 Accessory sprue, containing barrels, crates, railings and more.
What can that make? Well…
The $50 add-on allows you to build the equivalent of two of these towers plus a completely enclosed 1 story building.
If you add that on to a pledge of Strike Team ($150) and up you have enough tiles to build the board featured at the end of our new video:
The board is made up of roughly 66 tiles - Strike Team ($150) plus Urban Skirmish ($50) gives you the same number - and don't forget that Strike Team is getting an extra Core Worlds Building Sprue if we hit our next stretch goal!
If that's not enough, with rumours of multiplayer and rules to play on a 4’x4’ board flying around as well, we can safely say that adding on the Urban Battle $95 scenery pack to a pledge of Strike Team ($150) will give you enough scenery to fill a 4'x4' board:
So, if you're looking at building something similar in size to the game board featured in the video, we'd recommend the Urban Skirmish Pack ($50) - if you're looking at something more densely packaged or want to build more impressive structures, we recommend the Urban Battle ($95) pack. Both kits offer all kinds of versatility, and we can't wait to unlock more BattleZones for you to choose from!
Nearly at $368k now. We may well bust the stretch by the end of the day if this keeps up. Already over $14k for the day, let's see how far this goes. Can't wait to see how this translates in to the Friday rush.
scarletsquig wrote: ^ I completely agree with you, in fact I'm mainly interested in backing this to get minis and terrain for Warpath, and it's all 100% compatible for Warpath 2.0, too.
I'm eyeing up getting a full 4x4 urban board + terrain currently, possibly in the form of 3x strike team + 1 rubber mat, so I get the insane value of Strike Team, multiplied and at a discount, with all the terrain and a big enough board for Warpath. And small armies for 4 factions too.
"Suppression Team" level (3x Strike Team) at $430 is really, really tempting. Already worth $900 minimum, and likely to be worth $1500-$200 by the time this is over and done with.
It is very possible to start looking at this from a mass-battles warpath perspective, I think. Mantic are certainly leaving the door open to that.
That is very tempting...
I think we're going to need a scarletsquig-style breakdown towards the end of the campaign as there might be some 'hidden sweet spots' at the higher levels, once the stretch goals are hit down the road...
streetsamurai wrote: urban batlle will give how much more terrain sprue compare to what we get in strike team?
From what I can see, it deosn't seem like such a good deal unless you go with the 285 add-on, cause, unless I'm missing something, for the same price (90$) I can get 3 Sanctum Imperialis from GW, and It doesn't seem like theyr is much of a difference in the size of the terrain you get.
I agree that the overall size isn't that different. I think its the configurability and usability that you're getting from the Mantic Terrain.
Sanctum imperialis builds one runied building. On the other hand with the Mantic terrain you have the option to build multiple smaller intact or open structures. Also, as the Mantic panels are shorter than GW, you can fit more levels in a given area. This is very important to skirmish games where more compact pieces are often preferable to larger terrain pieces.
Lastly I think that if you built 2-3 level corner buildings without backs or side walls the Mantic Terrain would make structures as big or bigger than simlarly priced GW buildings, but of course that's not really the intention for the Mantic kits.
^ That's 6 sprues *currently*. Mantic have said they want to increase that to 10 sprues by the end of the campaign so it will really fill out a 2'x2' space.
We'll be getting sprue #7 in an hour or two at the rate this is going with the $375k stretch goal.
No mention of the terrain pledges being eligible for terrain based stretch goals the pledge levels that are eligible for stretch goals specifically mention it in the description. Some Stretch goals will unlock new terrain designs and these will be available to terrain only pledges to pick as part of their battlezone choices.
That's an interesting question for the future. Pretty sure they don't as of now, but I wonder how they will address that or if they will just keep adding freebies to strike force. It almost feels like its two kickstarters in one at this point.
Yes right.. at the moment, I'm in for the 'Strike' level at $150 and the $95 scenery set (and $8 dwarf guy ). Not sure if that is the best way to do things, but will pay closer attention towards the end of the KS! I'm hoping that will give me a bumper pile of stuff for myself + mates to play on.
Also damn you Squiggy; you might actually talk me into dropping Suppression Team money here before all is said and done. I really hope Mantic acknowledges all the work you run around doing on their behalf, even if it's just a free T-shirt from each of their KickStarters.
Schmapdi wrote: Do the terrain-only pledges benefit from any terrain-based stretch goals? (the ones passed already, or the ones in the future).
Yes and No. They don't get any freebies, but they do benefit from the earlier $50k goals that have already unlocked alternate wall sprues.
So, while a "new variant sprue" stretch goal to unlock a new battlezone might not be exciting to people in it for the minis/ the game, it'll be hugely exciting for those with the terrain pledges.
Also damn you Squiggy; you might actually talk me into dropping Suppression Team money here before all is said and done. I really hope Mantic acknowledges all the work you run around doing on their behalf, even if it's just a free T-shirt from each of their KickStarters.
Do it! It's definitely the standout deal at the moment if you've got $450 to put on the table. Four small armies, plus 4x4 mat and enough terrain to cram it full really is the complete package, both for deadzone and as a means of getting a serious headstart on Warpath.
At the moment, Suppression Team gives you $900 of stuff for $430, that is likely to rise to $1500+ of stuff by the time this is over. Mantic is only just getting warmed up as far as freebies go, don't be surprised to see another 50 or so minis find their way into Strike Team, it happened with Dreadball.
And yeah, they offered me a free KS exclusive skeledog on KoW since I didn't have the cash to put a large pledge down at the time.
I now do, and will be dropping another $185 on that when the survey comes out, so I'll get it regardless, but the offer was nice anyway.
Those a pretty nice, and with international shipping at no additional cost. I'm in for a Bioprocessing pack.
Those do look really cool... but i'm still counting on Mantic to come up with something special terrain-wise. If I can throw another $100 at Mantic, and get enough modular terrain to cover a modest gaming table, and it looks 90% awesome, or pay $75ish for one small, one-floor building that looks 100% awesome... i'm going to have to go with Mantic.
Today's terrain blowout should be very revealing.
I already put down $300 for my EB Strike Team, knowing that I would make up the rest with terrain. I just wanted a little variety on the tabletop as well.
The forces are broken down into 3 sections: Leader, Specialist, and Trooper.
The type of leader(s) you pick determines how many duplicates of each of models in the other the other two categories you can have.
So, a leader with the "Elite" rule allows you to spam more of the specialists, and a leader with the "Legion" rule lets you focus more on spamming basic grunts.
It also seems that, similar to dreadball, you don't field all of your models every game, but instead select the ones you want to take on a mission out of the pool of minis you have available to you (after you've hired them etc.), using their points values to determine how much they are worth.
So, you can take different specialists (and leaders) on different missions, it seems, leaving others to sit the battle out. A larger roster and more minis troops hired gives you added flexibility in the same way that it does with Dreadball.
So, you might want one "build" for one mission (say, lots of assault troopers for a capture mission), and a different build for another.
Quite liking the sound of this, adding a points value on top of the roster means things won't get too unbalanced like the ridiculous "30 skilled minis vs. 8 newbie minis" games that can occur with Necromunda or Mordheim... I kept retiring warbands in Mordheim since they just got too powerful and started becoming unbeatable, it made the game boring.
With this it's better since while you might have 30 max-skilled uber enforcers of doom hired on your roster, if the mission points value only lets you pick 8 of those, then that's all that's going on the table,not the entire lot!
So basically what that's saying is that we should all pledge for double strike team, since we want of the basic troopers and 4 of each elite?
edit: Also, looks like additional leader options will come around at some point. I think rather than 1-2 of each race like they did for dreadball, they're going to stick to the races that come in your set for Deadzone (not 1-2 random sculpts from each additional race). If another race is added, it will likely only be a $35 add-on, and you'll get everything that's unlocked for that race.
^ If you take more than one leader, then there's even room for up to 8 of each specialist! I'd imagine the leaders are quite expensive in points though, so you'd be paying the price for such a spammy build.
Double strike team would be a good way to fill out all 4 factions though. Or if you have a favourite faction, adding another $35 to bump them up is a solid choice.
I haven't seen any actual upper limit on the amount of models that you can have, only the amount that you can field in a given mission.
Think of the mini collection as like a CCG collection that you can make different decks out of to try new strategies or tailor your build for specific missions.
They seem to be going with a warmachine-style setup here, only with the experience and skills thing on top, which opens up a lot of extra possibilities to slowly tailor a model in your roster towards being good at a specific mission as it gains xp and you pick new skills for it.
I think it's going to be really interesting to see how they balance the campaign system. Simply because the two coolest attempts at something like this previously, in the form of Necromunda and Mordheim, got broken and abused quite quickly!
Really those games relied a bit on player moderation to keep them balanced and fun - Jake isn't going to be able to make that assumption, and the game will get lambasted by players if there are too many exploitable loopholes left in the game ('2 single-handed mace' or 'slings' combos, to use Mordheim parlance for instance).
Do it! It's definitely the standout deal at the moment if you've got $450 to put on the table. Four small armies, plus 4x4 mat and enough terrain to cram it full really is the complete package, both for deadzone and as a means of getting a serious headstart on Warpath.
At the moment, Suppression Team gives you $900 of stuff for $430, that is likely to rise to $1500+ of stuff by the time this is over. Mantic is only just getting warmed up as far as freebies go, don't be surprised to see another 50 or so minis find their way into Strike Team, it happened with Dreadball.
Having the money isn't so much the issue as having the "Am I insane enough to add 160 models + terrain to the backlog" (the consensus of my friends is "probably" so far). I'd also likely go for the 3 pack of mats for a total of $485 for 6'x4' area. While it might not be "crammed full of terrain" if I use all the mats, I think it would still be pretty covered.
Having a headstart on WarPath 2.0 is a nice thing, as the Enforcers are very interesting to me and likely the faction I'd take up. I've shied away from getting them before now based on others mentioning the models are somewhat difficult to work with as hybrid material models and some minor cosmetic concerns (legs, etc), but the consensus seems to be these new sculpts will have fixed most of those problems.
The only thing that I dislike about the new models is the Captain; it might just be the photograph but I can't warm up to that model to the point that I'm put off of the faction. I'd understand if they didn't but I really wish it was an option to trade the Warpath one for the one included in the Starter. I know it seems like a dumb thing to get hung up on when discussing everything else, but crazy people get hung up on crazy things. That's why we're crazy!
Wahey! That’s a new Core Worlds Building sprue added to every pledge of Recon ($100), Strike Team ($150), Captain ($500) and up – get in!
Note - the new scenery sprue is not included with the One-Click scenery pledge levels.
That’s an extra 6 tiles making for a total of 5 sprues in Recon (4 Building Sprues + 1 Accessory Sprue) and 7 at Strike Team (6 Building Sprues + 1 Accessory Sprue) – PLUS the connectors will now be getting their own sprues so we’ll be throwing in 2 Connector Sprues into every pledge of Recon and up.
Thank you so much for supporting us on Kickstarter!
Next up, our scenery spectacular continues with…
$400,000 – Battlezone: Landing Pad
//91-Urilla on starting drop run.
//Eyes-on landing zone.
//Anti-air units sighted.
//Requesting instructions.
\\91-Urilla: Re-route to Outpost Epsilon.
\\Advance units secured an operational landing pad.
\\Drop at Epsilon and advance on foot.
//Acknowledged, command.
//91-Urilla out.
If we hit this goal we will be able to tool the Landing Pad BattleZone, unlocking it as one of your choices in the Urban Battlefield ($100) and Urban Wargames Tables ($285) scenery-only Pledge Levels or the Urban Skirmish ($50), Urban Battle ($95) and Urban Scenery ($185) Add-ons.
This brand new BattleZone contains all of the bits you need to build the Landing Pad, plus loads of cool extra engineering bits like 135-degree connectors, triangular walls and deflectors.
These new components are fully compatible with your Core Worlds BattleZone, allowing you to customize them to an even greater degree.
So, this stretch seems to be for terrain packages only. Is it me or does this seem like it might be very divisive between people who want the game vs people who just want terrain? You'll have one half yelling for more scenery for their pledge and the other half yelling for more minis for their pledge. This is either dumb or incredibly brilliant on Mantic's part.
I suppose the line between those two things is often blurred At least they are still giving the options for 'terrain only', you have the option of taking that route although considering the price I'm sure a lot of people will be going for the game boxsets anyway.
Curses, just bought an HDF landing pad from another company this evening.. ah well, would have had to wait till the end of the year for this one..
squall018 wrote: So, this stretch seems to be for terrain packages only. Is it me or does this seem like it might be very divisive between people who want the game vs people who just want terrain? You'll have one half yelling for more scenery for their pledge and the other half yelling for more minis for their pledge. This is either dumb or incredibly brilliant on Mantic's part.
We had two $50k terrain-only stretches right at the start of the campaign... and that was long before the terrain add-ons existed.
If you pledge an extra $50, then all of a sudden it does become relevant and useful. People who "just want the game" also want terrain, it's kind of a requirement as far as this game goes and ideally you want a good amount of it, even if the 2x2 board doesn't require it.
squall018 wrote: So, this stretch seems to be for terrain packages only. Is it me or does this seem like it might be very divisive between people who want the game vs people who just want terrain? You'll have one half yelling for more scenery for their pledge and the other half yelling for more minis for their pledge. This is either dumb or incredibly brilliant on Mantic's part.
We had two $50k terrain-only stretches right at the start of the campaign... and that was long before the terrain add-ons existed.
If you pledge an extra $50, then all of a sudden it does become relevant and useful. People who "just want the game" also want terrain, it's kind of a requirement as far as this game goes and ideally you want a good amount of it, even if the 2x2 board doesn't require it.
The two stretches at the start of the campaign applied to the game packages though, this only applies to the terrain only pledges. I'm not saying its the end of the world, but it definitely creates a divide in the pledgers and this is the first time I've seen anything quite like this done in a KS. That being said, I've obviously not followed every KS ever.
@squall - how are any of the terrain goals JUST for terrain only guys. That's like saying Forge Fathers are for Forge Father only guys. It still expands the game as a whole.
So, as a "core game" backer, I'm glad they are pushing the terrain for a bit. I doubt the next stretch will be for terrain as well.
Earth Dragon wrote: @squall - how are any of the terrain goals JUST for terrain only guys. That's like saying Forge Fathers are for Forge Father only guys. It still expands the game as a whole.
So, as a "core game" backer, I'm glad they are pushing the terrain for a bit. I doubt the next stretch will be for terrain as well.
You can be as glad as you want. I'm just pointing it out. I said it wasn't the end of the world, but I also think its a point of discussion.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the survey they let you pick your sprues from the battlezone sets in some fashion. A bit like how in Dreadballs 'Striker' you could pick what kind of big-dude you wanted.
Compel wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if in the survey they let you pick your sprues from the battlezone sets in some fashion. A bit like how in Dreadballs 'Striker' you could pick what kind of big-dude you wanted.
That's a great idea, and would solve the "problem" that I was bringing up.
Peredyne wrote: I'm currently backing the core game at Strike Team level, but I'm holding off adding anything additional for a while yet.
Well shoot. Most of the SGs have straight improved something or given you something. So not too much of a reason. It's why I think new factions aren't too far away.
I'm guessing by the end of the kickstarter, Strike Team will have:
6 factions made up of, on average, 15 guys per faction
10 scenery sprues
1 walker / big monster / gribbly
3 mercs / special characters
Plastic kickstarter exclusive counters
The premium mat
Sound about right? It's a bit more than Dreadball but not massively more.
If they follow the DreadBall pattern, you might get some of the basic troops from a new faction, but I'd highly doubt you will get the whole faction starter. They will, however, probably offer them as fairly cheap addons (for certain pledge levels) such as a BOGOF offer once there's more than 2 added.
That's another part of my leeriness on pledging for Suppression as suggested; I don't want to be locked into 3 sets of the 4 initial factions and not have any room left over for new factions. At the same time, I don't want to drop the other goodies that come with Strike Team. This is why KS is bad for me; I'm terrible at making decisions.
^ Wouldn't be so sure about no new free factions, don't forget, this one is only going to roll with 6 factions (starting four + forgefathers and asterians), maybe 8 max, but they're not sure about that. The Corporation, Veer-myn and Zz'or are not going to be making an appearance in this one.
Dreadball gave away tons of MVPs, so far this one looks like it will not give away free mercenaries and instead focus on the factions. It's likely that mechs etc. and other big stuff will be add-ons.
It looks like the starting 4 factions are filled out at this point, and there's still only 47 minis at the $150 level. Dreadball finished with 103 minis, so there's a long way to go with this one!
Do it! It's definitely the standout deal at the moment if you've got $450 to put on the table. Four small armies, plus 4x4 mat and enough terrain to cram it full really is the complete package, both for deadzone and as a means of getting a serious headstart on Warpath.
At the moment, Suppression Team gives you $900 of stuff for $430, that is likely to rise to $1500+ of stuff by the time this is over. Mantic is only just getting warmed up as far as freebies go, don't be surprised to see another 50 or so minis find their way into Strike Team, it happened with Dreadball.
And yeah, they offered me a free KS exclusive skeledog on KoW since I didn't have the cash to put a large pledge down at the time.
I now do, and will be dropping another $185 on that when the survey comes out, so I'll get it regardless, but the offer was nice anyway.
The problem with these 'value' figues you proclaim is that hardly anyone pays full price for Mantic... ever. Even before the bulk discounts on existing products in their last two KS campaigns their sales model has been based around heavy holiday (any holiday you can think of) promotions, Crazy Christmas Bags/Boxes etc, almost a rolling sale. Then there's the other retailers shifting Mantic stock at heavy discount because they've found it doesn't move at RRP - personally I've picked up Mantic stuff from DarkSphere, Hobbycraft, LudikBazaar - at prices that suggest they got their fingers badly burned. So the notional values that you and Mantic ascribe to these products are a bit tenuous.
As far as this KS goes I'm still on the fence - the models look good, the rules seem fun - but the terrain reveals have been a real damp squib. This latest update (launchpad) looks like Hexagon set 2.0! "135-degree connectors, triangular walls" - yep had those a while thanks. And the price isn't even that good, for $100 (£64) you can get just as much of the Micro Arts Studio HDF Infinity stuff* which is less flexible but far prettier. So for me the terrain needs to get much better value.
However, I'd like to know how many sprues to make that first one they showed. 2, awesome. 3, crap. I also hope that whatever pieces they're using to boost it off the ground are sturdy, as that raised walkway is awesome, and I want the sprues to make a good stretch of them.
@rosa: We're not on the final day of the KS, yet. There's a lot more to come.
As I said, Dreadball finished with 103 minis at $150 and a ton of other bits, Kings of War was just as good.
Both settled at around 70% discount, similar level to what the crazy xmas boxes etc. offered.
Best deals are always straight from Mantic, they've been well known for their nutty promotions ever since they mailed out 6000 free ghoul sprues back in 2010.
Kickstarter is just an extension of that, we get to drown in plastic, they get a cash injection to make stuff happen, everyone's happy.
Yes but if no one. ever. pays. the. rrp. for Mantic (because there are so many opportunities not to) then it's not. really. a. 70%. discount, that was my point. No one's saying it's not good value, but claiming Dreadball backers 'saved $750' (or whatever) is daft.
But Mantic are the biggest, most frequent ignorers of rrp of all, as Scarlet Squig acknowledges. Many many flgs have found mantic stuff simply does not move at rrp, partly because of this. It's like Sports Direct or Officers Club (downmarket uk retailers) - the "70% OFF!" tags only mean it has been on sale at that price somewhere, once* - not that anyone (sober) actually bought it at that price.
But enough of all that. I am intrigued about new scenery themes. As someone else pointed out, this stuff could do spaceship corridor stuff quite well too - 1.5" stuff as narrow corridor floors, 3" as wider, multiples as rooms etc. could work quite nicely.
actually iirc it's one mainland store for a 4 week period, but the point remains
And saying nobody pays RRP is a sweeping generalization. I will avoid paying it if there's no local retailer I happen to like that carries item X, but if there's a good store run by people who appreciate their customers then I will happily pay RRP for any products I want that they carry. There's not a ton of examples of this anymore, which is why I feel it's doubly important to do it when I find those places.
My FLGS is awesome, so I don't even bat an eyelash at paying full price there. Sure, I could save 15-30% buying it online and waiting, but then I wouldn't have this awesome place to go, and having that little geek island available to me is worth the extra markup.
They don't carry Mantic though, so that's something of a bummer. It does let me rationalize buying in on the KS though...
But enough of all that. I am intrigued about new scenery themes. As someone else pointed out, this stuff could do spaceship corridor stuff quite well too - 1.5" stuff as narrow corridor floors, 3" as wider, multiples as rooms etc. could work quite nicely.
Plus a Battlezone style with the walkways divided into 1" squares and with wall-connectors in the middle of the corner squares would allow for crossover for Spacehulk players as well...
I need to try to go through the Warpath rules this weekend. I'd like to find out if grabbing some extra starter sets would make sense for playing Warpath, or if I'd rather just hold off (or use the horde of GW models I already own. Mantic's cheaper than GW, but still more expensive than Already Paid For.)
rosafari wrote: Yes but if no one. ever. pays. the. rrp. for Mantic (because there are so many opportunities not to) then it's not. really. a. 70%. discount, that was my point. No one's saying it's not good value, but claiming Dreadball backers 'saved $750' (or whatever) is daft.
Looking at current Dreadball prices and a guy who missed the KS....no. It's not daft in the slightest
Yeah...Dreadball had 2500 backers. Some probably split by groups, but regardless, that's a pretty small drop in the ocean of potential customers. Kings of War was only 1500 backers. Although these (and other) deals create an expectation of value, they get the product in peoples hands and on gaming tables. From there, others see the product and may take a look at it when they otherwise may not have done so. Dreadball is the easiest one to spread since you can get up and running for under $100 and it targets board gamers, but the concept is the same - establish a market and let it promote your product.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's not all that daft. Using RRP is a very simple way of determining discount. Just because there are discounters out there doesn't change that.
This Kickstarter started with worse prices than Finecast. It's like calling a $10 per model price tag "90% off!" just because you had the audacity to charge $100 per model to start with.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's not all that daft. Using RRP is a very simple way of determining discount. Just because there are discounters out there doesn't change that.
This Kickstarter started with worse prices than Finecast. It's like calling a $10 per model price tag "90% off!" just because you had the audacity to charge $100 per model to start with.
That's a total load of bolshevik, man, just saying.
AlexHolker wrote: This Kickstarter started with worse prices than Finecast. It's like calling a $10 per model price tag "90% off!" just because you had the audacity to charge $100 per model to start with.
That's a total load of bolshevik, man, just saying.
Finecast is 20 pounds for 5 models. Deadzone was $40 for 6.
AlexHolker wrote: This Kickstarter started with worse prices than Finecast. It's like calling a $10 per model price tag "90% off!" just because you had the audacity to charge $100 per model to start with.
That's a total load of bolshevik, man, just saying.
Finecast is 20 pounds for 5 models. Deadzone was $40 for 6.
And the discounts were based off of RRP, not the "Initial high cost to slightly compensate for later freebies/stretch goal addons" cost the KS pledges had.
Honestly, afaik the discount numbers people are throwing around are either based on existing model line RRPs or extrapolated from existing RRPs, not based on the initial KS pledge values alone.
AlexHolker wrote: This Kickstarter started with worse prices than Finecast. It's like calling a $10 per model price tag "90% off!" just because you had the audacity to charge $100 per model to start with.
That's a total load of bolshevik, man, just saying.
Finecast is 20 pounds for 5 models. Deadzone was $40 for 6.
Finecast is AUD $39 for a Character. Deadzone is $10 for a Character. Going well so far
Finecast is AUD $63 for a squad of 5 Striking Scorpions (was the cheapest 5 pack for 40K I could find.) Deadzone was 40 for 6.
Yeah, its cheaper than finecast, pretty hard to argue against that. That being said, I think we all know that as the KS goes on, Mantic will add more and more stuff to the pledges and starters and it will be a good deal by the end. Just because it didn't start as the best deal ever made by anyone ever, doesn't mean it won't be pretty good at the end.
AlexHolker wrote: This Kickstarter started with worse prices than Finecast. It's like calling a $10 per model price tag "90% off!" just because you had the audacity to charge $100 per model to start with.
That's a total load of bolshevik, man, just saying.
Finecast is 20 pounds for 5 models. Deadzone was $40 for 6.
Finecast is AUD $39 for a Character. Deadzone is $10 for a Character. Going well so far
Finecast is AUD $63 for a squad of 5 Striking Scorpions (was the cheapest 5 pack for 40K I could find.) Deadzone was 40 for 6.
(yes its proof that aussies are screwed.)
Because using GW Aus prices for relevance really works now doesn't it!????
If you live in Australia it's a pretty good idea, as both the people in that conversation do based on country flags.
At US prices DeadZone and FineCast were roughly equivalent to start; Howling Banshees are $41.25 for six models right now. They do not come with rules, nor do they come with anything to help play the game with them. How much that would be worth in GW terms isn't easy to parse out since the rules are only available in codexes and gaming aids from GW are usually bigger too, but on current prices a gaming aid and rules could reasonably be argued to bring the GW price to $45. To say that the initial Scout-level pricing was similar to FineCast is not an unfair statement. However, neglecting to mention that in both of their previous KickStarters (Loka is was kind of a weird Mantic-but-not-really situation IMO), Mantic has loaded up their pledge levels with free models as time went on is also unfair.
You can make the argument that the outside observer wouldn't know about that practice going in, as maybe they had no interest in Mantic's other offerings. I would counter that it you don't do research into the people you're giving money to, especially when it's readily visible with a few clicks of a mouse, you're setting yourself up for far more heartache from KickStarter than thinking you're paying GW price levels.
Not terribly excited about the landing pad from the concepts, but nobody is forcing me to get it.
As as far as MSRP/RRP goes, eh, if something is always at a discount it's probably disingenuous to treat the stated RRP as the true 'regular' price. I was looking at some watches on Amazon that were 80-90% off. They looked nice so I took a look into the brand and everybody was selling the things at the 90-70% off range. As Kahn would say, "Hank Hill, everyone know sticker price is sucker price." Now, Mantic has had some pretty awesome sales, and I'm sure will have more, but skimming The Warstore and Miniature Market it looks like their discount on Mantic items is about the same as that on everything else. Seems like RRP is a reasonable measure of a products 'true' price.
A 6 figure starter set for $40US? Not a good deal, but not a bad one either. It's in fact quite fair. Maybe a bit high ($35 would seem a bit more appropriate) but I imagine that Mantic started them out small knowing full well that they'd be expanding them, and they wanted some easy stretch goals. Gaming the KS a bit? Certainly. Does it make a whole lot of sense to really analyze the value of the starter boxes at the start of the KS when they're now considerably larger, and most likely intended to be this size all along? Probably not.
The thing with this terrain is that because it's multi use, and re-assemblable (if that's even a real word) it will never look quite as good as a custom designed example of building X (or landing pad X)
But the fact that you can build lots of different structures, and chose what will suit your table (and even pull them apart again and build something different next time) is the real key
If I want a really excellent SF noodle shop (random example) I can buy one in resin (and probably pay a lot), but that's all it will ever be
The mantic sprues will let me make something that can be a noodle shop for this game, a watch tower the next or part of a hug warehouse in the third that's their real beauty
(some MDF stuff can be used in a similar way, but styrene is a lot lighter and to my mind easier to work with)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The thing with this terrain is that because it's multi use, and re-assemblable (if that's even a real word) it will never look quite as good as a custom designed example of building X (or landing pad X)
But the fact that you can build lots of different structures, and chose what will suit your table (and even pull them apart again and build something different next time) is the real key
If I want a really excellent SF noodle shop (random example) I can buy one in resin (and probably pay a lot), but that's all it will ever be
The mantic sprues will let me make something that can be a noodle shop for this game, a watch tower the next or part of a hug warehouse in the third that's their real beauty
(some MDF stuff can be used in a similar way, but styrene is a lot lighter and to my mind easier to work with)
That's a fair assessment. Hopefully Mantic will put together some concept drawings, or even better 3d renders like in the video they made for the Core Worlds stuff, showing what you can do with the landing pad kit. I thought the Dwarven Forge stuff was pretty meh until I saw a few examples of what could be done, and a better idea of how big it all was. Then I bought enough for a fancy little dungeon crawl; the Mantic stuff could go the same way. That said I'm still planning on going in for the 8 building bundle (plus what comes in Strike.)
6 models for a skirmish game at $35 rrp ($5 shipping)? Maybe infinity would've been a fairer comparison as farvas 6 model skirmish game starters go. Would still have made paying rrp a bad idea due to discounts, but the finecast comparison is just way out there.
...at least restic generally casts well, is sturdy enough to not break any sooner than PS and doesn't 'droop' the way we've seen FC carnosaurs do.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The thing with this terrain is that because it's multi use, and re-assemblable (if that's even a real word) it will never look quite as good as a custom designed example of building X (or landing pad X)
But the fact that you can build lots of different structures, and chose what will suit your table (and even pull them apart again and build something different next time) is the real key
Wait, so you mean we can make and paint one building then unclip it and make in totally differentway? This terrain seems a whole lot more appealing now...
Yup, that's the idea of the clips structure.
Mind you, you'll have to be careful to keep the paint thin around connecting areas etc. (get a cheap airbrush ) but it should work like that, yes. Great for storage, too!
^ Thread title isn't misleading, it displays the current stretch goal that we're gunning for, not the already-completed one.
It describes what will happen once the goal is met. I considered writing "tooled" in place of "unlocked", but that would probably confuse even more people.
Thoughts on how well 40k would be played on 6x4 deadzone map packed with urban terrain full on city style? I've never played a game like that and think it could be pretty fun for a change. Urban war, big LoS issues, streets funneling fire and so on.
Looking forward to the deadzone game ofc, but as always interested in how things relate to 40k ; p
If you can lay hands on Cities of Death, they had some ok-ish rules for cityfighting. They probably need updating, but I don't see why something along those lines wouldn't work with this terrain for 40k.
or part of a hug warehouse in the third that's their real beauty
Are Hug Warehouses prevalent in Deadzones? I saw an episode of Adventure Time my kids were watching that had Hug Wolves. Maybe thats what the Plague is all about: zombies wanting hugs
See picture of 1st Plague, arms outstretched, happily offering free hugs to all those who covet them....
or part of a hug warehouse in the third that's their real beauty
Are Hug Warehouses prevalent in Deadzones? I saw an episode of Adventure Time my kids were watching that had Hug Wolves. Maybe thats what the Plague is all about: zombies wanting hugs
See picture of 1st Plague, arms outstretched, happily offering free hugs to all those who covet them....
I'm picturing a warehouse full of nasty, chemical-tasting artificial fruit drinks.
Personally, I'm looking forward to playing Deadzone at the 2'x2' level and expanding to 4'x4' in time. Going to 6'x4' or larger seems like too much for a skirmish game. At that scale, you might as well be playing Warpath or 40K.
Breotan wrote: As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
I'll second that.
I myself never pledged on the zombie section 'cause I don't really find it intelligent throwing money on things that still need be produced in a (long) waiting line...
As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
all of season 2 have shipped apparently and KOW ships in June. there's then two shipments remaining, all of which is sculpted and waiting to come back from the manufacturer. there sculptors and concept artists have finished on those projects so they need to be put to work on something and that's deadzone.
torment kickstarter explained this really well. there previous kickstartered game was with the developers, but they had artists sitting around doing nothing, so they started a second project which makes sense.
Breotan wrote: As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
I'll second that.
I myself never pledged on the zombie section 'cause I don't really find it intelligent throwing money on things that still need be produced in a (long) waiting line...
I got my first KoW shipment on time.
I got my first Dreadball shipment on time.
I received my second Dreadball shipment today (on time).
There have been many pictures of the concept art, greens, and now painted versions of the models inthe second KoW shipment, which is due next month.
When people say "I'd like them to concentrate on existing projects", what do they mean exactly? The games designers and concept artists? Should they be chasing suppliers for the components? Or should they in fact be doing their jobs and creating new projects, whilst other people get on with theirs and fulfill existing ones?
I would certainly agree that it makes sense to look at KS project creators and judge whether you feel the project is actually feasible, but ask some of the people (on this thread) who missed out on the Dreadball KS (for example) and ask them if the feel so 'intelligent' now, or if they regret holding off/missing it.
In summary - don't paint every KS project with the same brush, judge them on their own merits. And don't expect a company to sit idly by and not work on new stuff in the meantime, especially if they're continually showing off progress on the first project.
Amera to provide roads and craters. Antenocities to provide interior detailing. Ruined building Battlezones and Alien Battlezones to follow.
How cool does that sound! I don't know much about Amera, but I do know that Antenociti have produced some awesome terrain in the past, they can only make Deadzone better.
As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
all of season 2 have shipped apparently and KOW ships in June. there's then two shipments remaining, all of which is sculpted and waiting to come back from the manufacturer. there sculptors and concept artists have finished on those projects so they need to be put to work on something and that's deadzone.
torment kickstarter explained this really well. there previous kickstartered game was with the developers, but they had artists sitting around doing nothing, so they started a second project which makes sense.
For me, the 'failure' they are having is in the sculpting department. Because they have to make so many sculpts to fulfill the kickstarter, they are employing unqualified, substandard artists to bang out models. Remy is fantastic, but Remy cannot sculpt all of KOW, all Dreadball and All of Deadzone. As a dreadball backer, I am kinda annoyed Remy has been pulled from Dreadball and put on Deadzone when there are still Dreadball models to sculpt, and sculpt well. And since they lack the track record of having a whole studio of artists equally as skilled as Remy, I feel like once they 'gots our moneyz' they then take their A game to make prototypes for the new KS and leave their second stringers to finish the required sculpts.
Normally, I don't care who is sculpting for other companies because they have a track record of all their sculptors being able to reproduce concept art faithfully. But Mantic has shown they have artists who are unwilling or incapable of sculpting models which match the concept art.
So we are not talking about 'production or shipping' bandwidth, the issue is they have more models needing sculpting than qualified high quality artists and they seem to reserve the good artists for new KS while old KS gets less quality sculpts due to lack of resources.
For me, the 'failure' they are having is in the sculpting department. Because they have to make so many sculpts to fulfill the kickstarter, they are employing unqualified, substandard artists to bang out models. Remy is fantastic, but Remy cannot sculpt all of KOW, all Dreadball and All of Deadzone. As a dreadball backer, I am kinda annoyed Remy has been pulled from Dreadball and put on Deadzone when there are still Dreadball models to sculpt, and sculpt well. And since they lack the track record of having a whole studio of artists equally as skilled as Remy, I feel like once they 'gots our moneyz' they then take their A game to make prototypes for the new KS and leave their second stringers to finish the required sculpts.
Normally, I don't care who is sculpting for other companies because they have a track record of all their sculptors being able to reproduce concept art faithfully. But Mantic has shown they have artists who are unwilling or incapable of sculpting models which match the concept art.
So we are not talking about 'production or shipping' bandwidth, the issue is they have more models needing sculpting than qualified high quality artists and they seem to reserve the good artists for new KS while old KS gets less quality sculpts due to lack of resources.
Haven't the consensus best sculpts for both the KoW and Dreadball kickstarters been sculpts that have been done after the kickstarter was done? The season 2 and 3 sculpts (which we've seen) for dreadball are the most popular ones, and were only concept art during the actual kickstarter. Likewise, I feel like the real 'hits' for the KoW kickstarter are all more recent sculpts, rather than things we had seen during the kickstarter. I acknowledge that there's sculpts that are weaker, or more stylistically divisive, but you're inventing things with this most recent criticism.
Project Update #28: A word from the Boss PLUS Stretch Goal preview and The Army Painter! Posted by Mantic Games
In today’s update, Ronnie – big boss man here at Mantic Games – hi-jacks the camera from Jake and shows off the new Core Worlds Building Tiles and the Deluxe Gaming Mat…
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Note – we’re sorry for the sound quality on this one - we'll look at getting it boosted!
The video gives a great sense of scale on the buildings (we love the jokes about the size of Ronnie’s head being a unit of measurement in the comments by the way!) and the quality of the gaming mat – it really is a fantastic bit of kit.
As Ronnie mentions, we’ll be working with a number of great partners and we’re pleased to say that we have some fantastic painting and tool kit bundles - including a special Scenery Painting Kit built especially for you guys - from our friends Bo and Jonas at The Army Painter, perfect for painting all of your scenery and models!
IMPORTANT - please note that we can only ship the Army Painter Deadzone Scenery Painting Kit, Army Painter Mega Hobby Set and Army Painter Wargames Hobby Tool Kit to the UK, USA and Europe. Please add $5 for shipping if not adding to a pledge of $100 or up.
… of course, you’ll be needing something to paint. If you haven’t already seen them then check out our great Scenery Add-ons:
(then the terrain pledge levels posted previously)
And finally… Our next stretch goals will be miniatures related… and here’s a sneaky preview!
This brute dwarfs even the Ripper Suits...
There's a new troop type coming for each of the four factions - let's get the landing pad in and get to some miniatures goodness!
Great to see some hobby-related stuff being included from Army Painter (I've always found their stuff to be perfectly serviceable). I'm guessing though the first hobby pack is a misprint at $100 for that amount of stuff?
Remy is fantastic, but Remy cannot sculpt all of KOW, all Dreadball and All of Deadzone. As a dreadball backer, I am kinda annoyed Remy has been pulled from Dreadball and put on Deadzone
remy only sculpted the 1st gen for deadzone. i also don't understand how what youre saying relates to my post sorry...
also, new marauder concept for upcoming stretch goal
Welp, in for the Army Painter Mega Hobby Set. I don't have most of those hobby materials since I'm fairly new to it, and I'm actually a fan of Army Painter's paints, so I wouldn't mind having more on my table.
Haven't the consensus best sculpts for both the KoW and Dreadball kickstarters been sculpts that have been done after the kickstarter was done? The season 2 and 3 sculpts (which we've seen) for dreadball are the most popular ones, and were only concept art during the actual kickstarter. Likewise, I feel like the real 'hits' for the KoW kickstarter are all more recent sculpts, rather than things we had seen during the kickstarter. I acknowledge that there's sculpts that are weaker, or more stylistically divisive, but you're inventing things with this most recent criticism.
A lot of the 'misses' for KOW were post KS. The Troll is the newest example of inability to match the concept art.
They are not consistantly putting out sculpts which match the concept art or are are top-notch quality. Some of them are, some of them are not. They seem to have one Artist who is consistant and reliable and anything he makes is looking to be quality. So unless he is sculpting every model they make, they can't keep up with their promises and recreate the concept art.
It seems like they have more sculpts to create than they have artists who can make quality models.
OK well, that's just your impression of it Nkelsch. These things are pretty subjective, personally I've really liked most of the 2nd season Dreadball stuff for instance.
Also, any correction yet on that first $100 paint + spray can pledge level?
Pacific wrote: OK well, that's just your impression of it Nkelsch. These things are pretty subjective, personally I've really liked most of the 2nd season Dreadball stuff for instance.
Also, any correction yet on that first $100 paint + spray can pledge level?
I liked a lot of season 2. It was the rest of season 1 special characters who were not sculpted by Remy which failed. And if there is any Season 3 models which fail because Remy wasn't available, I will be disappointed.
KOW has had its share of let downs too. For every Bazuzu there is a troll/cathorse. Remy could have totally sculpted a model in proportions with the troll concept art in both size and armory/details. So when I see a model which could have been done well and wasn't due to lack of top tier sculptors because they are on the new KS, that equates to neglect to me.
I hope the model doesn't end up with the tiny, tiny legs that were just shown over in the Kings of War thread for an equally cool looking mini shown last year. Looks like yesterday was a whopper of a day for the kickstarter... I'm guessing necromunda style terrain was a much anticipated item?
A word from the Boss PLUS Stretch Goal preview and The Army Painter!
Update #28 · May 9, 2013 · 38 comments
In today’s update, Ronnie – big boss man here at Mantic Games – hi-jacks the camera from Jake and shows off the new Core Worlds Building Tiles and the Deluxe Gaming Mat…
Note – we’re sorry for the sound quality on this one - we'll look at getting it boosted!
The video gives a great sense of scale on the buildings (we love the jokes about the size of Ronnie’s head being a unit of measurement in the comments by the way!) and the quality of the gaming mat – it really is a fantastic bit of kit.
As Ronnie mentions, we’ll be working with a number of great partners and we’re pleased to say that we have some fantastic painting and tool kit bundles - including a special Scenery Painting Kit built especially for you guys - from our friends Bo and Jonas at The Army Painter, perfect for painting all of your scenery and models!
IMPORTANT - please note that we can only ship the Army Painter Deadzone Scenery Painting Kit, Army Painter Mega Hobby Set and Army Painter Wargames Hobby Tool Kit to the UK, USA and Europe. Please add $5 for shipping if not adding to a pledge of $100 or up.
… of course, you’ll be needing something to paint. If you haven’t already seen them then check out our great Scenery Add-ons:
Strike Team + Urban Skirmish gives you everything you need to cover a 2'x2' Gaming Board.
Strike Team + Urban Battle gives you everything you need to heavily populate a 2'x2' gaming board or cover a 4'x4' with terrain.
Strike Team + Urban War gives you everything you need to heavily populate a 4'x4' gaming table or cover a 6'x4' with buildings.
Don't forget our fantastic Deluxe Gaming Mat too!
And finally…
Our next stretch goals will be miniatures related… and here’s a sneaky preview!
This brute dwarfs even the Ripper Suits...
There's a new troop type coming for each of the four factions - let's get the landing pad in and get to some miniatures goodness!
decker_cky wrote: I like it except for both head options. The orc head doesn't look great, and the mask seems too similar to enforcer heads (possibly intentional?)
Won't matter. The final sculpt will only vaguely look like the concept art.
decker_cky wrote: I like it except for both head options. The orc head doesn't look great, and the mask seems too similar to enforcer heads (possibly intentional?)
Look at the whole suit. That looks like Enforcer armor fitted for an ogre!!
You're taking such a narrow view of things these days... almost like you are viewing the world through a very small donut...
Hah!
With the Deadzone stuff, I unfortunately have to echo nklech's (sp?) posts on the Ork battle armour guy where it went from a heavy exo-suit to a tight form-fitting bodysuit. Anyway, there's a whole bunch of threads where I'm fairly-to-completely positive.
I might add on an army painter hobby tool kit. I love their file and probably over use that thing since its almost the only one I use these days. Best thing for most Restic mould lines. More Super Glue can't hurt either. Gotta check my modeling stuff to see if I really have a use for the remainder.
That concept picture looks like artwork from a 1980's-early '90's roleplaying game rulebook.
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Earth Dragon wrote: I might add on an army painter hobby tool kit. I love their file and probably over use that thing since its almost the only one I use these days. Best thing for most Restic mould lines. More Super Glue can't hurt either. Gotta check my modeling stuff to see if I really have a use for the remainder.
I don't need either of them, but I might add the paint set and/or the hobby tool kit.
You're taking such a narrow view of things these days... almost like you are viewing the world through a very small donut...
Hah!
With the Deadzone stuff, I unfortunately have to echo nklech's (sp?) posts on the Ork battle armour guy where it went from a heavy exo-suit to a tight form-fitting bodysuit. Anyway, there's a whole bunch of threads where I'm fairly-to-completely positive.
That's been the one disappointing sculpt I've seen so far. For my part, I don't plan on playing Marauders, but for the folks who do, hopefully they get it fixed up!!
Depends entirely on how much terrain you want. There's not much of a difference in discount level (only about 15% diff. between lowest and highest terrain pledge/add-on) so just get however much you think you'll need,, then figure out the best discount What might be worth mentioning, is that as soon as you would get a bunch of separate models as well, strike zone gets interesting FAST. I mean, about $50 worth of buildings (will probably end up with just a wee bit more), $20 mat and the $5 shipping you'd otherwise have to add included. add a few add-ons for models to that and you'll get awful close to that $150 quite quick so keep that in mind, if you were thinking of getting a couple of models as well.
^ Yeah, that's why I mentioned Suppression Team (which is made of 3x Strike Team) + 1 mat as the ultimate option for those with the money earlier.
By the end of this KS, that'll be $450 for damn near 300 minis if dreadball is any indication (so 4 or possibly 6 small armies for Warpath 2.0, as well as everything you'll ever need for deadzone) *and* a 4x4 gaming mat to play on *and* all the terrain you need to fill it... and all the other stuff they've thrown in/ will throw in.
The "multiples" of Strike Team stack really well with this kickstarter whereas they didn't so much with dreadball since you don't really need 2 of each MVP model.
I think that's one reason why the mercs aren't free with this, so that people will be really tempted to double or triple up on their Strike Team pledges and still have a use for 100% of the minis they get, either in deadzone (where it seems you can have as many different models in a warband as you like! Obviously not all on the table in each game, though).. or for Warpath..
..it's been confirmed that everything in this DZ KS will get Warpath 2.0 rules, so going big on this can be seen as preparation for the next Warpath KS... buy all your elite restics with this, then load up on hard plastic core troops and vehicles when the Warpath KS rolls out (can't even begin to estimate how popular that one will be...).
Are you sure having multiples of these is going to be useful for WP though? I mean, with the plague I can see it, but four of those enforcer engineers for example? I'm not sure I'd be comfortable pledging like that this time around (again...) even if I had the cash atmtbh.
It depends on the rules, I guess.. I think releasing at least a Plague/ Enforcers list for Warpath before the end of this campaign would be a really great idea, just to show people what else they can do with the minis if they "go big".
Black Nexus wrote: i'm still looking at the terrain add-ons. what do you think gives the best deal?
Honestly? Getting a single starter for $40, and then adding on $185 for the big pack might be a great option if you want lots of terrain but still want to glance at the rules and keep you options open to play the game down the road. Or Recon and the $185 if you want to try the game out right. Those EBs open up for recon daily with folks bumping up, so if you are checking back, you can almost count on getting one.
Barring that, I'm crazy and would probably go for the $280 bundle.
Shame the Army Painter stuff can't be shipped to me as it would be quite handy. I am guessing it is because of the spray cans though which is understandable.
I am also torn with what to pledge for now as well. I only really want the Enforcers, Rebs and a bunch of terrain as I already have enough space zombies to last a lifetime and the Marauder aesthetic does not really appeal to me (that and I really don't like how the exo-suit thingy turned out, art was much better). This plus the fact that I don't intend to play the game itself as I only collect to paint really reduces the value of the EB Strike Team that I got. Maybe I will hang onto it until later in the campaign and make my mind up then...
Suppression team is interesting. I'm probably going to drop around $400 on this between Strike Whatever and terrain. Right now the Strike pledge gives you the equivalent of the $50US pledge; if that gets into the $75-$100 range I'll seriously think about switching over. Of course I might get my wits about me and decide to shrink my pledge. Still have over 3 weeks to go though.
I'm not so sure they'll be adding in more sprues to Strike Team. As you said, they are, at this point, getting a $50 package. I suppose they could throw in some other theme, and that's the downside, you don't get to choose, but it appears the terrain aspect of the package has about reached its end.
^ Mantic have said they ideally want to get around 10 sprues into Strike Team, but if course, there's lots of other things to sort out, so we'll have to see how the Kickstarter goes.
We’re closing in on the $400,000 milestone and we are less than 100 backers away from achieving a brand new scenario for the awesome Nexus Psi campaign pack. We can’t wait to see where the story will go!
So then, where next?
Between now and the end of the campaign we will be funding new and exciting troop types for the four factions, the first of which you’ll see below!
Furthermore, we’ll be adding more freebies – both brand new and existing models to your pledges, as well as a few more Kickstarter Exclusives. There will be more mercs coming as well!
We’ll also be looking at funding two new factions (I’d ask for you to guess what they are but I know Ronnie has already told you!) and we’ll have more BattleZone Scenery packs coming as well – plus a few more surprises along the way!
Now that we’re soooo close to hitting $400,000, let’s take a look at what’s coming next…
NEW STRETCH 1: $415,000 – New Deadzone Specialists!
If we hit this goal we will be able to fund 1 new specialist for each faction! These are:
Marauder Hulk (Specialist)
It’s often mooted that the Lu-Fan Corporation’s decision to bring Hulks into the Orx training programmes was one of the key factors leading to the Mandrake Rebellion. While their destructive potential and stubborn refusal to die made them a terrifying prospect for the Corporation’s enemies, it didn’t take long for the Orx to realise that their dim-witted kin had been turned into deadly warriors. Hulks are now often found leading the charge during Marauder raids, delighting in the explosive destruction they sow with their Slam Cannons.
Rebs Kraaw (Specialist)
The Kraaw have been clear opponents of the Corporation ever since the first exploratory fleet entered their space and was destroyed by swarms of fighter craft. They are fiercely territorial and little is known about them beyond their reputation as vicious predators, but occasionally small groups will approach the Rebellion and offer their services. On the battlefield they strike unexpectedly, bringing death to their hated enemies with Stingcasters and Talon Blades alike.
Enforcer with Incinerator/Burst Laser weapon options (Specialist)
When the first artefacts were discovered, it didn’t take long for Enforcers to realise that fire is an excellent anti-Plague weapon – after all, infection can’t spread if the host is reduced to ash and cinders. The Recoil Industries MPFU-04 Incinerator became standard kit before long. Although short-ranged compared to some alternative units, its reliability and adaptability to multiple fuel sources makes it ideal for the claustrophobic skirmishes that usually occur in a Deadzone.
Plague 3rd Gen with Grenade Launcher (Specialist)
Third-generation infected put a variety of weapons to use, and occasionally one of them will stumble across specialist weaponry such as a grenade launcher. Although these are not generally used by the civilians that make up the bulk of the first wave of Infected, they are standard gear for the military forces that accompany them. Their explosive ordnance can quickly throw organised firing lines into disarray, giving first- and second-generation infected the chance to break cover and charge enemy lines.
These brand new models will be available as extras to add-on to your pledge
I'm just gonna say this for the record, I fricking love the Kraww troops, they look like their straight out of Metriod, I must have whole army.....
I haven't been following too closely, but have they said anything about fixing Quasimodo-Enforcer Captain at all?
they put up the Warpath Enforcer Captain as an add-on for $10 if anyone wanted it.
Second update after hitting $400,000 clarified the scenery battlezones:
About BattleZones
To make things simple we’ve grouped together the Building Sprues and Connector Sprues into bundles known as BattleZones.
Each BattleZone contains 3 Building Sprues and 1 Connector Sprue from a set theme.
The current BattleZone themes are:
- Core Worlds (UNLOCKED)
- Landing Pad (UNLOCKED)
- Fortifications (LOCKED)
- Ruins (LOCKED)
- ?? (LOCKED)
- ?? (LOCKED)
Both the scenery pledge levels and the scenery add-ons allow you to pick a number of BattleZones to include in your bundle.
For example, the Urban Battle ($50) scenery add-on allows you to pick two BattleZones of your choice in any combination from the Unlocked themes.
This means you could choose two Core Worlds BattleZones, two Landing Pad BattleZones, or a mixture of the two.
At the end of the campaign we will send out a survey via email where you can make your selection.
We will be unlocking more BattleZones as stretch goals meaning the further the campaign goes on, the more themes you get to choose from so please spread the word and get your friends to pledge!
Okay, I hadn't said anything about having tanks and other large vehicles in this game in the comments section until today when it became apparent that the pro-tank folks (who if you look at their comments mostly want them for warpath NOT deadzone) tried to demonize the anti-tank crowd and act like they were ruining their life by opposing the idea.
My thoughts are simple: the playing field is too small, and I prefer campaign type skirmish games to concentrate what they are best on which is developing the members of a small squad or gang (See Necromunda).
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hey Black, they gave away another possible in the video by Ronnie - "Damaged Core World".
Earth Dragon wrote: Okay, I hadn't said anything about having tanks and other large vehicles in this game in the comments section until today when it became apparent that the pro-tank folks (who if you look at their comments mostly want them for warpath NOT deadzone) tried to demonize the anti-tank crowd and act like they were ruining their life by opposing the idea.
My thoughts are simple: the playing field is too small, and I prefer campaign type skirmish games to concentrate what they are best on which is developing the members of a small squad or gang (See Necromunda).
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
A small skirmish game should have at MOST a single tank or vehicle of sorts. Trying to move a tank through a diseased and infected city would be interesting, but with the amount of rubble, debris, dead bodies, etc... would make a tank probably more of hinderance than a help. It's kind of like how if you do a true City Fight game, you BARELY have enough room for a Rhino sized vehicle.
Walkers/Mechs are fine other Vehicles I don't think fit in a skirmish game - to small a scale - this isn't Warpath sure the miniatures will be used in both stick to the skirmish game Warpath will have it's day.
Earth Dragon wrote: Okay, I hadn't said anything about having tanks and other large vehicles in this game in the comments section until today when it became apparent that the pro-tank folks (who if you look at their comments mostly want them for warpath NOT deadzone) tried to demonize the anti-tank crowd and act like they were ruining their life by opposing the idea.
My thoughts are simple: the playing field is too small, and I prefer campaign type skirmish games to concentrate what they are best on which is developing the members of a small squad or gang (See Necromunda).
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hey Black, they gave away another possible in the video by Ronnie - "Damaged Core World".
Completley agree that armor, if included at all, should be an absolute MINIMUM. I actually sorta wish they'd remove big tanks from Dust Warfare, too.
DaveC wrote: Walkers/Mechs are fine other Vehicles I don't think fit in a skirmish game - to small a scale - this isn't Warpath sure the miniatures will be used in both stick to the skirmish game Warpath will have it's day.
Still not sure how one type of a vehicle (mech/walker) is okay, but another type (wheeled/tracked) is not. It will be the armor and armament that should be the issue, not the mode of movement... Plenty of modern examples of a tank or gun truck or infantry fighting vehicle used to provide close in fire support to small infantry units in urban environments. Leaving them out is fine, but discriminating because of how they traverse the ground seems silly.
I can see walkers/mechs working better if you assume that thay are more agile and versatile than a tank or other wheeled transport. I would imagine ambushes are common and the ability to spin around and face the threat would be invaluable.
Also I would rather this stay an infantry based game and plonking a tank in the midst of that would ruin the skirmish aspect of DZ in my opinion.
With the exception of small walkers (EG star wars style AT-PT's), the way I see it, if there's a vehicle on the gamefield, which I'm perfectly happy for there to be, the Vehicle would end up being the reason for the game.
EG, with the Landing Pad battlezone now in the game, an evacuation mission based on a shuttle around the pad (which would be a glorified terrain piece with a couple of guns), would be pretty awesome.
Or, perhaps one team having to escort an APC filled with retrieved tech out of an ambush and off the other side of a board.
I agree that perhaps a mech/walker is the way to go. Infinity has proven that it can work pretty well (although the use of one is not to be taken lightly in that game!)
Certainly a walker might be too much in a 2x2 game. Maybe a vehicle might be something to think about for a second season, when lots of people have masses of terrain and can start think about 6x4 terrain set-ups and the like?
Compel wrote: With the exception of small walkers (EG star wars style AT-PT's), the way I see it, if there's a vehicle on the gamefield, which I'm perfectly happy for there to be, the Vehicle would end up being the reason for the game.
EG, with the Landing Pad battlezone now in the game, an evacuation mission based on a shuttle around the pad (which would be a glorified terrain piece with a couple of guns), would be pretty awesome.
Or, perhaps one team having to escort an APC filled with retrieved tech out of an ambush and off the other side of a board.
And that kind of thing was really the creative options I was pushing for. I'm not looking to make rules for adding vehicles to an army-builder, etc.... for the game... I just like the options it could bring, the aesthetics, etc... I just like giving players the choice.
As you can guess, i'm one of the people who most vocally wanted something resembling a drop-ship, etc... in the Kickstarter. The thing is, I never called for it to be anything more than terrain, an option, etc... Rather than demonize anyone, I just genuinely asked the question as to why a few voices (as few in number as those of us who DID want the option), should be allowed to take an option out of a game, the creator's hands, etc....? Its an option.... for a game.... Its not serious business, or worth arguing about. If anything I felt like I was throwing out this casual, fun, call for prospective neat OPTIONS, and all I got met with was some incredibly rude, angry folks, who don't always extend their courtesy to others, despite acting as if i'd committed a major social faux-pau....
Mind you, many of these same individuals have posted dozens, and dozens of posts demanding that an actor with a cult-of-personality, be turned into an in-game OPTION.... which I have never felt compelled to call out, or deny them.
Eh... I'm just going to throw my arms up, and chalk this up to passionate people on all sides (myself as well), just taking a fun hobby a little too seriously. :-p
Well, for starters a vehicle is too big for a skirmish game, walkers because we are talking about a slow vehicle designed for troops support would fit, but anything else is too fast and too outlandish to fit in a skirmish game.
When you realize that vehicles slam each-other to metal scraps from a few kilometers away you realize why two seem odd to be at pistols range from each-other, when you add up the usual speeds they move its odd to see them in an infantry skirmish game.
the result to cram vehicles in such systems are usually rules that do not fit the vehicles.
Now why not a dropship, while cool and all that and while it could effectively be a terrain piece it is a really big investment for mantic to put it in thei kickstarter, it would help more the kickstarter to have the resources deviated in new battlezones terrain and miniatures, mantic has no practical experience we have seen so far in designing big vehicles and while they may turn out to be really capable of, its not a reason for them to risk it on this kickstarter.
And to the above poster... You're right, and the ONLY reason i'd be ok with a sole stretch-goal being one cool, cosmetic, terrain-only, vehicle, would be as it serves double-duty as terrain-option here, AND because Mantic has flat-out said Warpath Kickstarter is coming, and that they will be doing all kinds of big vehicles, etc... for that system. So its an option here, AND a preview. :-)
I was. I learned to stay away from the comments section of kickstarters the hard way after trying to shovel through the slop on the Robotech comments page. Some people have way too much vested interest in minutiae and they're not shy about expressing it by drowning out all other commenters so I tend to only surf comments under individual updates most days.
And to the above poster... You're right, and the ONLY reason i'd be ok with a sole stretch-goal being one cool, cosmetic, terrain-only, vehicle, would be as it serves double-duty as terrain-option here, AND because Mantic has flat-out said Warpath Kickstarter is coming, and that they will be doing all kinds of big vehicles, etc... for that system. So its an option here, AND a preview. :-)
it would be nice but, what they do with the buildings is clever its terrain that has many reusable parts and with minimal additions (a sprew) can be altered to many things a vehicle would need a bigger investment as its sprews would be unique.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Well, for starters a vehicle is too big for a skirmish game, walkers because we are talking about a slow vehicle designed for troops support would fit, but anything else is too fast and too outlandish to fit in a skirmish game.
When you realize that vehicles slam each-other to metal scraps from a few kilometers away you realize why two seem odd to be at pistols range from each-other, when you add up the usual speeds they move its odd to see them in an infantry skirmish game.
the result to cram vehicles in such systems are usually rules that do not fit the vehicles.
Now why not a dropship, while cool and all that and while it could effectively be a terrain piece it is a really big investment for mantic to put it in thei kickstarter, it would help more the kickstarter to have the resources deviated in new battlezones terrain and miniatures, mantic has no practical experience we have seen so far in designing big vehicles and while they may turn out to be really capable of, its not a reason for them to risk it on this kickstarter.
Again, mode of movement is silly to use as a discriminator. Ever since armored vehicles existed, they have been used to support infantry, including in current wars. A tank can move as slow as any walker. So can an infantry fighting vehicle or armored car. They can and are used against infantry targets in urban and other close terrain. Why a walker is any different really mystifies me... If a walker would work, why not an MRAP or armored hummer type vehicle? Why not a Bradley or Marder or Scorpion or BMP type? What is the difference between a heavy machinegun mounted on a tripod or powered armor trooper or walker different from one on the top of a wheeled or tracked vehicle?
Cptjake, it ought to act the same, a HMG is a HMG, is a HMG, but can have some ability change imparted with stabilizers, coolers, range finders and laser sighting with computer enhancements so a crew manned tripod may act more the basic HMG, a power suit or walker may have the stabilizers and range finders for the on the move fire, and a larger vehicle might use the coolers to keep the weapon firing longer. Most present day HMGs are air cooled anyway, so only the furture may have some vehicle based coolers for more dice worth of shots fired as opposed to the crew manned tripod based HMG.Once you toss in laser rangefinders/stabilizers/computer enhancements on vehicles or powered armor, well, that may or may not alter things but only slightly.
Vehicles don't seem like they'd be out of place. They might be limited in where they could go (if you want to climb those stairs, you probably are going to need to get out and walk,) but it seems reasonable to have support vehicles. Heck, aircraft like helicopters could even make sense. Planes would be downright silly, but nobody would design a game where you have aircraft 'zooming' around infantry fighting at close range though.
Lansirill wrote: Vehicles don't seem like they'd be out of place. They might be limited in where they could go (if you want to climb those stairs, you probably are going to need to get out and walk,) but it seems reasonable to have support vehicles. Heck, aircraft like helicopters could even make sense. Planes would be downright silly, but nobody would design a game where you have aircraft 'zooming' around infantry fighting at close range though.
Lansirill wrote: Vehicles don't seem like they'd be out of place. They might be limited in where they could go (if you want to climb those stairs, you probably are going to need to get out and walk,) but it seems reasonable to have support vehicles. Heck, aircraft like helicopters could even make sense. Planes would be downright silly, but nobody would design a game where you have aircraft 'zooming' around infantry fighting at close range though.
Its funny... I play a LOT of Dust Warfare. For good or ill, its become my favorite game for that scale. It works beautifully, even on a smaller table, with walkers, helicopters, etc... There is definitely a healthy place for vehicles at 4x4 sizes (which, whatever those against wish, IS coming as confirmed by Ronnie Renton). At 2x2... yeah, vehicles are tricky. That isn't to say they couldn't work, but I certainly don't begrudge some in the "against" category for not necessarily even wanting to see if they could work.
But again... 4x4 Deadzone IS coming in this Kickstarter, if people want it or not.... its Mantic's choice, and they see it happening. As such, with infantry walking between one and two "squares" per turn, it almost BEGS for vehicles, lest the game end (under current rules), before some players/units have even had a chance to engage.
Deadzone KS wrote:
Here’s a little treat for you ahead of tomorrow’s open day… the first of the Reb sculpts have been painted!
Some of the more eagle-eyed amongst you will have noticed some gorgeous resin scenery pieces in the shot above. These are from Antenocitis Workshop and we’ve worked with them to create some fantastic bundles that you can use to detail up your buildings, both with interior and exterior accessories.
From Vid Screens to advertising hoardings to military command decks and crates and barrels, every component is compatible with Deadzone – some have been even been remastered by Antenociti to work with the 3" tile template and we’ve even got our own custom Lockers featuring Enforcer weaponry!
The following bundles are now available for you to add-on to your pledge:
Not only that but we’ve also got a Mega Deal where you can pick any of the two bundles above and get a free Pollution Scrubber or Heat Exchanger!
We're think this stuff is absolutely beautiful and will help make your gaming table seem all the more real. Whether you use the components as objective tokens, cover or simply detail for your buildings, don't miss out on this fantastic opportunity for some truly beautiful terrain.
Love Antenociti's stuff. Will be upping for this for sure.
MY GODS. everything looks fantastic, and those rebs are looking just like their concept art.
EDIT:
Mantic please make add-on to get all of the terrain add-ons. like get all terrain detail add ons, heat exchanger, air scrubber and ???as extra for 95-105$?.
Triszin wrote: MY GODS. everything looks fantastic, and those rebs are looking just like their concept art.
EDIT:
Mantic please make add-on to get all of the terrain add-ons. like get all terrain detail add ons, heat exchanger, air scrubber and ???as extra for 95-105$?.
Not sure what you are asking for. You get everything listed for $130 if you want the entire kit shown in the new update.
Ok, time for someone to breakdown the Antenocitis Workshop deals against their website to see if they are bargains or not. I can't do it now, got to pick my son up from daycare
DaveC wrote: I'm guessing this is photoshoped but it gives a good idea of coverage on a 6x4 table
The image is from the latest Mantic newsletter.
Mmmmm... I wonder how many "Battle-zones" that is?
If I could use what is included in a Strike-Force pledge innately, plus a $95 add-on of four more battle-zones, to do all that, I would be very, very impressed. Either way, I have about $70 worth of the Dust modular buildings which also have 3x3 tiles, between all that, maybe I can come up with a table like that
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
I could see the inclusion of a lightly-armed APC or Humvee analogues (not a tank, or even an AFV) used in a scenario situation. Escort the Ark of the Covenant off the table. Rescue the squad after their Blackhawk got shot down in Mogadishu using a couple of Humvees/Trukks/Technicals/jeeps.
As for actual tanks, I don't think it's the right game for it.
I think it could work well in a specific scenario.. There was an awesome Infinity mission where a team are trying to take out a tank that is parked somewhere (maybe during an occupation or something?) - the tank just has a token guard of infantry, but absolutely kicks ass. The team have to try and disable the tank without being blown to pieces
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
I could see the inclusion of a lightly-armed APC or Humvee analogues (not a tank, or even an AFV) used in a scenario situation. Escort the Ark of the Covenant off the table. Rescue the squad after their Blackhawk got shot down in Mogadishu using a couple of Humvees/Trukks/Technicals/jeeps.
As for actual tanks, I don't think it's the right game for it.
No one ever asked for tanks... Its just a straw-man people keep using as a synonym for "vehicle" because it makes their point best. :-p But I digress... Back to that glorious table...
Mmmmm... I wonder how many "Battle-zones" that is?
If I could use what is included in a Strike-Force pledge innately, plus a $95 add-on of four more battle-zones, to do all that, I would be very, very impressed. Either way, I have about $70 worth of the Dust modular buildings which also have 3x3 tiles, between all that, maybe I can come up with a table like that
I count 204 3x3 building tiles in there that's about 12 Battlezones worth.
6 x 16 tile one storey buildings
3 x 26 tile two storey buildings
3 x 10 tile towers.
csimian wrote: Ok, time for someone to breakdown the Antenocitis Workshop deals against their website to see if they are bargains or not. I can't do it now, got to pick my son up from daycare
Compel wrote: I worked out that board is roughly 150 panels worth.
With "floors", etc?
It seems a lot of tiles can be saved by skipping floors you don't plan on using, or back-walls for buildings along the table perimeter.
Anyone planning to make their buildings permanent, rather than leaving them modular can easily use textured plasticard for cheap flooring. - Boilerplate/checkplate and/or a square tiled pattern would work perfectly.
Alpharius wrote: They come with the 'adverts' (not sure if they are decals, printout, etc.) - but other than that, they are not pre-painted.
They're print-outs, not decals.
And you have to cut them out yourself, and making them fit inside that big table scanner thing isn't easy. On the bright side, my big table scanner is fluro purple, thanks to the weird way Antenociti's Workshop always uses brightly coloured resin!
I can't reccomend their stuff enough, even if that med-bench thingy is a very hard thing to get to stay together (mixed metal/resin kit).
Pro-vehicle people don't seem to realize that in such small skirmish games, things like the Enforcer Styrian armor, First Generation Plague, Teratons, and Ripper suits (and now Hulks) ARE the stand-ins for vehicles. They are the heavy hitters that a faction can bring in to reinforce their regular fighters. The guys that makes your basic trooper say "oh crap" when they round a corner and open fire.
Skirmish games of 5-20 models should be about regular fighters and a couple of their thematic"big guys" rather than a squad supporting a tank that's shooting at point blank range and trying to get through narrow alleyways.
I could see them adding apc's but only way later in the KS when they will essentially be sending stuff out for "season 3" of deadzone with the big tables in mind.
JMMelo wrote: Forgive me for being a bit thick, but the wording mantic is using on the terrain parts seems a bit confusing.
What is a "battlezone"? How many sprues of tiles go in one Battlezone? Are there 6 tiles per sprue
For instance, I am at Strike Team level now, and I should get 6 building sprues, plus acessories and connectors. Is that one battlezone?
Strike team currently has 2 Battle zones. A battle zone is 3 building tile sprues and 1 connector sprue. A building tile sprue should have 6 full Tiles on it depends on the theme.
The Mantic newsletter says that the table was built with what you get in the 'One-click Urban Warfare Bundle' which is indeed 12 battlezones (or $280) of stuff.
It feels like that this stuff is coming out similar to what you'd pay for GW terrain, although I bought my CoD and Planetstrike stuff when they first came out. It has the advantage of being more generic sci-fi, so it works for a wider range of games than a lot of the GW stuff does. It doesn't seem to be a Crazy Mantic Bargain right now though. You could buy 8 CoD buildings for $264US vs what's on that table for $280US.
Right now I'm trying to decide how the Mantic stuff and some MDF terrain I bought into will look side by side. (Okay, that's a bit of a non sequitur. Still doing it though, dangit.)
The CoD buildings are more "half" buildings though, since they're corner ruins and only have one half of 2 walls and no roof.
Mantic are planning a ruins set as well though, so that would be the way to go if you want maximum table coverage since ruins won't take as many tiles to create.
The stock builds they've used suffer from being a bit giant and boxy, I'd probably go with more numerous and smaller buildings with tiered upper floors to make better use of the 3d space, lots of 2-storey stuff, lots of walkways interconnecting everything to really create a proper multi-level gameplay environment.
One of the good things about 2'x2' deadzone games will be the ability to easily cram that space full of lots of really dense, complex 2-3 storey buildings with criss-crossing walkways connecting everything.
I'm tempted to have the landing pad on top of a large building, that would look pretty amazing, especially with a dropship or something on it, and maybe a tower with a walkway leading on to the pad.
I can't reccomend their stuff enough, even if that med-bench thingy is a very hard thing to get to stay together (mixed metal/resin kit).
We've actually re-worked that item especially for Mantic and its now all-resin (and goes together much easier & stronger); indeed we've done re-works on a number of the items to fit in with Deadzone, and a few pieces such as the (Mantic/Deadzone) Weapons Lockers are exclusive to Mantic.
All of the screen images are photo-quality prints on photo-paper, so you just trim to size and glue in place. (For Deadzone there will be game-orientated inserts in place of the "normal" ones you would get directly from us - so again you can view that as exclusive to Mantic.)
In terms of value you would be looking at spending over $200 to get the full-monty ($130 USD) set.
So "Is it worth it?" - well you couldn't get that deal from us...it all still has our quality guarantee (no bubbles or uglies) so there's no drop in quality and if you are outside of the UK you don't get a big postage hit.
Antenociti wrote: We've actually re-worked that item especially for Mantic and its now all-resin (and goes together much easier & stronger); indeed we've done re-works on a number of the items to fit in with Deadzone, and a few pieces such as the (Mantic/Deadzone) Weapons Lockers are exclusive to Mantic.
So it's all resin now? That would've been nice, but I have two already so there's not much I can do about it.
Keep using the wild coloured resin though. That stuff is fun!
I can't reccomend their stuff enough, even if that med-bench thingy is a very hard thing to get to stay together (mixed metal/resin kit).
We've actually re-worked that item especially for Mantic and its now all-resin (and goes together much easier & stronger); indeed we've done re-works on a number of the items to fit in with Deadzone, and a few pieces such as the (Mantic/Deadzone) Weapons Lockers are exclusive to Mantic.
All of the screen images are photo-quality prints on photo-paper, so you just trim to size and glue in place. (For Deadzone there will be game-orientated inserts in place of the "normal" ones you would get directly from us - so again you can view that as exclusive to Mantic.)
In terms of value you would be looking at spending over $200 to get the full-monty ($130 USD) set.
So "Is it worth it?" - well you couldn't get that deal from us...it all still has our quality guarantee (no bubbles or uglies) so there's no drop in quality and if you are outside of the UK you don't get a big postage hit.
I'd buy it.
Will the weapons lockers be available after the KS? I could see myself wanting more of those.
Also, have there been talks about using your vehicles in Warpath? <crosses fingers>
So "Is it worth it?" - well you couldn't get that deal from us...it all still has our quality guarantee (no bubbles or uglies) so there's no drop in quality and if you are outside of the UK you don't get a big postage hit.
I'd buy it.
Could we get some scale pictures with those scenery items next to models, please? That's the biggest thing giving me pause on your scenery offers here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I like how vehicles are handled in Infinity, especially now that Campaign Paradiso is out. They have power armor/light mechs, but anything larger than that is the scenario you're fighting. I'd love to have a chance to put my Pig Iron AFV on the table, or use the Quinjet I have coming in off ebay, but they really should be scenario pieces or just terrain.
That is a really good idea. I wonder how that GI Joe Retaliation Ghost Hawk would look? Is that your work, Kalamadea? If so, how long did it take to do that? Did you disassemble it before painting, or just go at it as is with spray paint?
I've got several of those advert kits, and can confirm as Alphie says they come with little printed designs you can cut out and stick on
Could you post some pics with figures next to them as scale shots please? Hard/impossible to figure out from the KS pictures.
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I don't have any shots next to minis unfortunately :(
Some shots of the stuff I do have. Can attest to it's quality, and very, very easy to put together/paint. I did most of this stuff probably in 15-20 mins tops.
Spoiler:
Showing their wall scanners (on left)
some crates (believe they are smaller than the ones on offer here)
one of the display boards
the standing boards, again knocked these up in about 10 minutes!
Love that they are sticker add-ons. The fact some companies act like we're all top tier expert painters is annoying when it comes to some of the detail of terrain and standards and such.
Earth Dragon wrote: Love that they are sticker add-ons. The fact some companies act like we're all top tier expert painters is annoying when it comes to some of the detail of terrain and standards and such.
I'm not a particularly good painter... actually I'm not even that good... so i design as much as possible so that painting is easy, so that you can do basic processes like base-coat+dry-brush or dry-brush + wash ... so clear panels lines, crisp edges etc to help make using washes easy, then stickers, decals etc to fill large areas and such like.
I would never actually be able to paint an advert or a computer screen for example...but i still want to have my scenery have the "wow" factor, so I like to find ways of doing that without needing to be a fabulous painter (which i will never, ever be).
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Re the scaling/size of the scenery pierces: I'm very concious of not wanting to tread on Mantics toes who will no doubt be putting out images of their own of their figures with various scenery bits.
So i would like to wait to check what they plan first.... but the pieces all fit perfectly with the figures, beds, scanner, GRID, adverts everything - Mantic didnt want anything that wasn't a perfect fit for their game and their figures, so we're re-master for the perfect fit.
(That gaming mat of theirs is fabo btw... i REALLY would like to steal that idea from them!)
Fair enough - if you can let them know that you've had the request to see the scenery scaled with the minis that would be good. Mantic are pretty average at times at showing pictures (ie, the current KoWKS stuff).
I'm sure it's all lovely, but without seeing it for myself...
Forgive me for being a bit thick, but the wording mantic is using on the terrain parts seems a bit confusing.
What is a "battlezone"? How many sprues of tiles go in one Battlezone? Are there 6 tiles per sprue
Here's the full breakdown:
About BattleZones
To make things simple we’ve grouped together the Building Sprues and Connector Sprues into bundles known as BattleZones.
Each BattleZone contains 3 Building Sprues and 1 Connector Sprue from a set theme.
The current BattleZone themes are:
- Core Worlds (UNLOCKED)
- Landing Pad (UNLOCKED)
- Fortifications (LOCKED)
- Ruins (LOCKED)
- ?? (LOCKED)
- ?? (LOCKED)
Both the scenery pledge levels and the scenery add-ons allow you to pick a number of BattleZones to include in your bundle.
For example, the Urban Battle ($50) scenery add-on allows you to pick two BattleZones of your choice in any combination from the Unlocked themes.
This means you could choose two Core Worlds BattleZones, two Landing Pad BattleZones, or a mixture of the two.
At the end of the campaign we will send out a survey via email where you can make your selection.
We will be unlocking more BattleZones as stretch goals meaning the further the campaign goes on, the more themes you get to choose from so please spread the word and get your friends to pledge!
Azazelx wrote: Fair enough - if you can let them know that you've had the request to see the scenery scaled with the minis that would be good. Mantic are pretty average at times at showing pictures (ie, the current KoWKS stuff).
I'm sure it's all lovely, but without seeing it for myself...
^^ this.
And really, showing pics is the one thing they're horrible at; I don't see why they shouldn't leave it to others wherever possible
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
Definitely not a fan. Vehicles in warband skirmish games mess with many factors of a skirmish game as they normally have more movement, armor, etc than infantry, and tend to be an un-balancing factor. They also detract from the squad-level tactics.
The exceptions would be
-as objectives, in which case they aren't really vehicles, they're scenery
-Slow moving small walkers, which essentially function as large infantry anyway.
Leave Vehicles where they belong. That is, in engagements of platoon level or above.
Thanks DaveC and Black Nexus for the answers... I still think it would be helpfull if mantic put out a video or something showing what can we build with a single battlezone, just for clarity sake
Azazelx wrote: Fair enough - if you can let them know that you've had the request to see the scenery scaled with the minis that would be good. Mantic are pretty average at times at showing pictures (ie, the current KoWKS stuff).
I'm sure it's all lovely, but without seeing it for myself...
^^ this.
And really, showing pics is the one thing they're horrible at; I don't see why they shouldn't leave it to others wherever possible
well we do have some photos of the last game we played on our Urban board.. and that has a quite a lot of scenery on it ¬_¬
What are the thoughts on NON-Warpath players on the inclusion of tanks.
Definitely not a fan. Vehicles in warband skirmish games mess with many factors of a skirmish game as they normally have more movement, armor, etc than infantry, and tend to be an un-balancing factor. They also detract from the squad-level tactics.
The exceptions would be
-as objectives, in which case they aren't really vehicles, they're scenery
-Slow moving small walkers, which essentially function as large infantry anyway.
Leave Vehicles where they belong. That is, in engagements of platoon level or above.
Not sure why a slow moving wheeled or tracked vehicle acting as a support weapon platform is any different...
Personally I would like vehicle rules. I know modern forces use vehicles to support troops, even at squad level, in urban areas. Having that as an option which could be ignored by those against it seems to be a good idea to me. It also helps justify a lot of the heavy weapons we see some of the infantry being armed with. I could care less whether the vehicles are tracked/wheeled/legged.
To help get you towards the full allocation of troopers you'll be able to include in your squad - as per Jake's Force Selection rules below - if we hit this goal we will add:
- 1 additional Enforcer with Assault Blade to the Enforcer Faction Starter!
- 1 additional Plague 3rd Gen to the Plague Faction Starter!
- 1 additional Rebs Sorak to the Rebs Faction Starter!
- 1 additional Marauder Commando to the Marauder Faction Starter!
Help me out guys- does Mantic operate under the usual "pledge as much as you can. hurl gobs of money later" type pledge manager?
I'm about tapped what I can use right now, but I'm sure there will be more goodies down the road I'd like. Not that I'm set in stone as to what my final purchases will be, but still.... it's nice to know.
Grot 6 wrote: How does this project look as far as conclusion.
Are we going to see the same issues that have gone on with the Kings of War KS, such as delays and changing figures?
..What delays? there's two cavalry units which will be shipped a month or two late, the other, what'sit? 19 or so units? are quite perfectly on schedule. Not sure what you're on about there.
Changing figures well, as to the cat cav, that was a last minute (unplanned) inclusion in a KS where they weren't planning for even 20% of the success they had. that's not the case here, nor was it with dreadball. as to the trolls well, aside from the legs they're pretty damn close to the final concept shown (before the end of the KS, that is!) so it sounds to me as if you're on about a totally different KS here, mate
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: Help me out guys- does Mantic operate under the usual "pledge as much as you can. hurl gobs of money later" type pledge manager?
I'm about tapped what I can use right now, but I'm sure there will be more goodies down the road I'd like. Not that I'm set in stone as to what my final purchases will be, but still.... it's nice to know.
Mantic does tend to allow adding to pledges in the pledge manager, usually a month or so after end of KS. maybe a bit more.
In fact, the DB season two pledge manager allowed us to up pledges for more stuff months after the KS ended and the KoW second pledge manager has just come out; we can get stuff for KS prices again (just not add additional $225 pledges it seems, which might be just as well for my poor poor wallet )
I don't suppose we might see more of your stuff on the Deadzone Kickstarter?
Specifically, I think if you bundled your planters set, with some of your little moss/shrubbery packs, you could make a one-click solution for a really nice aesthetic piece.
Or... you know... you could piggyback off Deadzone and add your drop-ship KS plans, to this one. ;-)
Black Nexus wrote: Lol... these two buildings (plus i calculate two more tiles leftover) can be built from one battlezone.
I think that is a little hopeful, that building looks to have 16 panels to it, so we would be looking at 32 panels out of 3 sprues. While I hope we get 10 panels to a sprue I would more expect around 6, since 6 x 3 would be 18 which is enough to make the building, with 2 spare or for use as walls inside.
Just come back from the open day and seen alot if Deadzone stuff. Most of the rebs starter pack was on show (very nice btw), I saw 2 goblin sniper greens and some orx in exo type suits that only had the head exposed the rest was all armour. I took a few photos that did not come out very well but Riquende did take loads and I'm sure he will link it to his blig like he did for the Salute pics.
The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!
I'm hoping there's alternate arms for those marauders, or the marauder arms are just redone in 2 hands on the gun poses (or two guns shooting forward if you want a 2 gun pose). Like the overall sculpts, but both the guns to the side model and the running model are terrible poses for the arms.
Wow, I was really excited about the marauders from the concept art, but the sculpts themselves have left me rather flat. The heads are way out of proportion, in my opinion, and make them look goofy rather than tough.
I guess I'll be dropping the extra marauder figures I was planning on getting and get some extra rebs because I'm really digging them.
DaveC wrote: The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!
Wow... that (the Marauder item) is really disappointing to hear, considering that the Dreadball Orks are amongst my favorite models from the game. :-(
Edit: Oh GOD.... I just found the blog photos... Those Marauders... every single one.... needs to be completely resculpted. They're literally some of the WORST models I have ever seen at this scale.
DaveC wrote: The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!
Agreed. Individual components (guns, armor bits, etc.) look fairly good but the rest, and especially the posing, is dreadful.
It kinda looks like they did both Goblin snipers. The figure behind the dancing queen looks like another sniper.
Do we know who sculpted these? I'm sure I can guess, but I'd like confirmation...
Love the Rebs so far, but the greens don't show their detail that well (so it's hard to make a call about them), and the leader's head looks too big.
DaveC wrote: and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!
They've scuplted both of the concept poses. Unfortunately I couldn't get a good pic as I had to shoot from directly above and I was getting the room's striplight reflection every angle I tried. The second (aiming) one is visible (barely) on this image:
Thanks Riquende I can see him now he actually looks pretty good but 1 mini does not make a force, the Ripper Suits have potential as well depending on the heads and arm poses but the Orx nope I just can't work with them. I guess these will just be consigned to a dusty box forever more. It's pity because I actually really liked the Dreadball Marauder team it was the Veer Myn that ended up in the box there well they are getting some company
Maybe it would be better to have some kind of 'Mantic open day' thread, just so all of the stuff can get chucked in there, rather than mixed sporadically between two or three different threads that are meant to be for something else?
Very disappointed about people's impressions of the Marauders, I was so hopeful about those :(
My biggest complaint about the Marauders (aside from the posing) are they heads and hands. Why in the world did they suddenly triple (or more) in size?
My god, those models are terrible. The poses are bad, they don't match the previous Maurauder's 'scale' or 'proportions' as if they are a totally different race. They would have been better sticking with the poses in the concept art which look very 'mater of fact' standing pose. Not every model needs to be captured in an extreme dynamic action.
Fail. Fail. Fail. How these can even attempt to be released next to the 3dCAD enforcers (which fixed the leg pose and knee size issues) and the 1st Gen plague is a joke.
Considering how Mantic floods my email box with pictures of models 5 times a week, I am constantly surprised on how little they share their WIPs.
Mantic needs to go all Digital 3D. I feel like Mantic (and other KS) fail on employing artists who can't sculpt and it is much harder to fix a bad sculpt than a 3D Render. It seems like due to the nature of 3D they can solve anatomy issues out of the gate. They have some strong photos of quality 3D to Model... they should stick with that and fire those sculptors who are ruining their games.
The Rebs look incredible, very true to the artwork. The DB mech is also brilliant, glad I ordered two!
I knew I would not want the Marauders so I will probably just chop them up and use all the useful bits (guns, armour etc..) and consign them to a dark box alongside my AoBR Orks!
DaveC wrote: The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!
People were BEGGING for the dancing goblin in the comments. But most Orc players, no matter the game, are normally lvl 2 goobers or higher, so I suspected that.
It be nice if ONE universe didn't insist of the green skins being comic relief, but I don't think that will ever happen.
Commander Cain wrote: The Rebs look incredible, very true to the artwork. The DB mech is also brilliant, glad I ordered two!
I knew I would not want the Marauders so I will probably just chop them up and use all the useful bits (guns, armour etc..) and consign them to a dark box alongside my AoBR Orks!
Yes, the DB mech is a strong 3D render. I am excited about that model as well.
It is sad though that we already have the "bid on the KS and plan to throw away models" forming.
Taarnak wrote: My biggest complaint about the Marauders (aside from the posing) are they heads and hands. Why in the world did they suddenly triple (or more) in size?
~Eric
Mantic has been on a "heroic scale" thing lately. Some people like it, others don't (I'm one of the latter), but it's the new direction it seems... for certain armies/ sculptors.
If you don't like it, mention it on the KS comments, but the general fact of the matter is that more people do prefer the heroic scaling because it more closely matches what they're used to (GW minis). When people are leaving GW for other games, they want minis that look like the GW ones or they call them "too small" or "weird". Especially with orks, where GW players prefer the comedy style and want Mantic to reflect that in their own sculpts.
I love the Mantic fantasy orcs and think they're the best orcs on the market, but I guess they didn't sell too well, so now they're trying a different direction for greenskins, more in-line with what the market expects.
Just look at the amount of complaints you see about "too skinny" elves, which are in fact perfectly in proportion... that's one reason why Mantic is going more heroic-scale with their sculpting, due to feedback on forums such as these.
And of course, heroic scale means giant heads, giant hands, giant guns, tiny legs/ torso.
I'm not really interested in either the Plague or the Marauders due to this sculpting style.. the Rebs/Enforcers are shaping up nicely though, and I don't think they'd go with the comic-book proportions on the forgefathers and asterians since there isn't really an expectation there for them to be comical or cartoon sci-fi rather than hard sci-fi.
So, that's four races I'll be quite happy to collect. Not interested in Veer-myn either since they're one of the more "cartoon, comedy scif-i" races, which is fine, because some people like that.
It's mainly a case of different armies to appeal to different people, with the sculpting that reflects that. I'm super-happy with the Rebs, Corp/Enforcers and Forgefathers, I'm pretty sure I'll love the Asterians and I already think the Zz'or sculpts for dreadball are awesome so for me that's quite a lot of armies there that do tick the "hard sci-fi, true scale" boxes that I want. I don't mind if there's a few armies like veer-myn, plague and marauders to appeal to the gamer who prefers things to be more OTT and comedic... that style is quite popular with warmachine players and a lot of 40k players.
Taarnak wrote: My biggest complaint about the Marauders (aside from the posing) are they heads and hands. Why in the world did they suddenly triple (or more) in size?
~Eric
Mantic has been on a "heroic scale" thing lately. Some people like it, others don't (I'm one of the latter), but it's the new direction it seems... for certain armies/ sculptors.
If you don't like it, mention it on the KS comments, but the general fact of the matter is that more people do prefer the heroic scaling because it more closely matches what they're used to (GW minis). When people are leaving GW for other games, they want minis that look like the GW ones or they call them "too small" or "weird". Especially with orks, where GW players prefer the comedy style and want Mantic to reflect that in their own sculpts.
Just look at the amount of complaints you see about "too skinny" elves, which are in fact perfectly in proportion... that's one reason why Mantic is going more heroic-scale with their sculpting, due to feedback on forums such as these.
And of course, heroic scale means giant heads, giant hands, giant guns, tiny legs/ torso.
I'm not really interested in either the Plague or the Marauders due to this sculpting style.. the Rebs/Enforcers are shaping up nicely though, and I don't think they'd go with the comic-book proportions on the forgefathers and asterians.
That is truly a pity.
Posting in the KS comments about anything not related to the Brian Blessed inside joke seems a bit like pissing into the wind...
I will email Stewart though. I know he is a busy guy but I also know he reads and responds to his emails.
"Heroic" style is not necessary for success, as proven by Infinity, and Malifaux, among others. Shame that they decided to go down that road.
I can accept the weirdness of the Plague (except for the head growing out of the chest; that is just lazy sculpting) because they are mutations. I really hate this new direction for the Marauders though.
I really hoped the Marauders would be less like GW comedy relief orks, and more like the Klingons from Star Trek. Aggressive, well trained, and incredibly mean in a fight, but still able to think and use tactics.
Oh well. Guess I'll keep looking for my "Space Ork" fix elsewhere.
~Eric
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I also noticed their tendency to go with giant heads on their dwarves. Also a pity. And also down to the sculptor's limitations, I think.
I'm currently in the process of converting the video from today's seminar, but one thing I do remember from it is the question of hard plastic Enforcers. Definitely happening in the Warpath KS, but not this one (Ronnie said it would be hard plastic for every faction). If the Deadzone KS goes high enough there might be a hard plastic sprue made for the 'plague zombies' though.
I really do not like the orx, but I generally do not like the orc of this kind so its no surprise, mantic could have gone the right, in my opinion, way of getting orx military smart and looking as a capable functioning society, instead they went to the comical GW style orc.
Admittedly this has a big crowd that like them, I never was part of that crowd.
The rebels look good and it only makes orx look more bad.
I kind of like the Orx. But as other have said, they are pretty much carbon copy of orks, so don't see any real use for them. It seems to me that the most interesting mini in deadzone/warpath are the one that are not directly ripped off GW (vermyn, forgefather look terrible imo, and most people seem to hate these orx, while theyr more original stuff is excellenet imo (rebels, plague, teratton, zzor))
PsychoticStorm wrote: I really do not like the orx, but I generally do not like the orc of this kind so its no surprise, mantic could have gone the right, in my opinion, way of getting orx military smart and looking as a capable functioning society, instead they went to the comical GW style orc.
Admittedly this has a big crowd that like them, I never was part of that crowd.
The rebels look good and it only makes orx look more bad.
90% of Orc players would still play them if they were lug heads yet "military smart" and ruthless. Less comical, but hard to reason with and edgy since their IQ is done 20 Pts on average.
More non-Orc players would also give them a try if they were less silly.
I agree. Missed opportunity, and that lies manly on the lap of the sculptor. Nothing else really portrayed them that way.
The aimed sniper looks great. Flush most of the rest
Riquende wrote: I'm currently in the process of converting the video from today's seminar, but one thing I do remember from it is the question of hard plastic Enforcers. Definitely happening in the Warpath KS, but not this one (Ronnie said it would be hard plastic for every faction). If the Deadzone KS goes high enough there might be a hard plastic sprue made for the 'plague zombies' though.
Pity about no "hard plastic" Enforcers here. I would spend very heavily on them, and I know I'm not alone. Plus, tooling them here would allow for more in the Warpath KS.
Not sure I'm into the Plague Zombie idea. They don't really make sense based upon what I know of the Plague so far. i.e.: The further from the source of the infection you are, the less mindless you become.
TBH I really, really wanted comical orcs in a sci-fi skirmish game; I'm happy. Though I love the more 'serious' look of the KoW orcs I wouldn't have given those a second glance in DZ.
Hell, I wish they'd have gone all the way with the comical approach, something along the lines of the old confrontation gobbo pirates:
I'm loving the squid. That's exactly what I was hoping it would be. If the rest of the Asterian faction looks like that concept art, I'll happily field them over anything else. It isn't the Five Star Stories styling I was after, but it does look damn good.
About the Orx, I kind of like them. Yeah, they seem a lot more comical now than their concept art did, but I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with them looking more Heroic Scaled. Would I have liked them to be more serious and true scale? Sure, but I'm pleased enough with what I see. Plus, the Rippers are looking great and they're one of the units I'm most interested in getting. They'll be making very nice Obliterators for my Chaos army.
I'm a little surprised nobody has mentioned that Forge Father concept art. He's wearing an exo suit, isn't he? That's cool. It looks like the Deadzone elite Forge Fathers will be like the old GW Squat Terminators. I am okay with this.
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Taarnak wrote: Not sure I'm into the Plague Zombie idea. They don't really make sense based upon what I know of the Plague so far. i.e.: The further from the source of the infection you are, the less mindless you become.
~Eric
I don't know. If you figure only a small portion of first/second gens become the big burly guys, what happens to the rest? They just die? Or there's the possibility that those who don't fully merge with the virus just because regular zombies. I could see it working out. And I'd be very happy to have some more space zombies.
About the Orx, I kind of like them. Yeah, they seem a lot more comical now than their concept art did, but I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with them looking more Heroic Scaled. Would I have liked them to be more serious and true scale? Sure, but I'm pleased enough with what I see.
Reading that, it seems you had no real preference and are happy to just be getting figures. Which is fine.
Taarnak wrote: Not sure I'm into the Plague Zombie idea. They don't really make sense based upon what I know of the Plague so far. i.e.: The further from the source of the infection you are, the less mindless you become.
~Eric
I don't know. If you figure only a small portion of first/second gens become the big burly guys, what happens to the rest? They just die? Or there's the possibility that those who don't fully merge with the virus just because regular zombies. I could see it working out. And I'd be very happy to have some more space zombies.
I guess I could see that, maybe. Just kinda getting tired of zombies. Which is a sentence that I never thought I'd write, lol.
I was hoping for more like this with respect to the Marauders:
Hands are still too large on those, but the rest of the figure is awesome. And the "tone" is good. Serious. Bestial. Dangerous.
Not bloody football hooligans...
~Eric
Edit:
Started my own figures for the game to use while I await the release (sorry for the slightly blurry photos):
Gen 3 Plague:
Based upon the ground down body and legs of an existing Marauder since I figured the 3rd Gens would be about that size based on the pics I've seen so far. Sculpting with Kneadatite and ProCreate mixture.
Assault Enforcer:
Gear from GW bits and sculpt. I made the arms ball-and-socket to give some posing variety. Poster tacked together, so the fit is a bit wonky.
Yeah, it's a good thing the rebels are turning out so well. The orx are hideous. I was gonna hold onto the Orx I won at Adepticon to include into the Deadzone/Warpath force but nevermind.
I like the other three factions so far though so at least there is that....
The images on the KS page for the Marauders are so cool - cripes, how could the actual models look so bad? I was going to get a Scout pledge for the Marauder faction (to get the rules), and add the Orcs to that so I have two factions, but now I'm not sure I want to - I would rather use my existing GW models for the Marauders.
