He said SCULPT not character. That sculpt screams scibor with it's terrible anatomy and over use of raised detail.
Sorry, that's on your communication skills, not his interpretation skills-- the most obvious reading of that sentence is that the sculpt is being ripped off, not that the sculpting styles are similar.
nudibranch wrote: People realise that's a display base, right? Like all of the primarchs he's got a smaller base that slots inside that big pile of rubble he's standing on here.
And if they were selling it separately I'm sure nobody would care, but the ever-larger bases seem to be leading to ever-larger prices and many people either don't use the big base(game-first players who store models in boxes, not on glass shelves) or don't like them aesthetically, yet both still have to pay for these great unwieldy lumps of resin regardless.
I'm the latter myself - I like display diaramas fine, but if I'm going to go to the bother of doing one I'll do it myself. Magnus is incredible, but the base is both dull and OTT at the same time - at least Perty's hideously large base had some novelty value and can be used as part of a terrain piece, Magnus' is just stone & generic swirly-magik-stuff. Eh, it's not like FW care, the models sell regardless.
Great model. Proportions look fine to me, but I think that's just because so many are used to GW's horrible ability to model the human body properly. I mean seriously, when was the last time we saw a human with a neck?
Anyways, super stoked to see that they got the two primarchs with this book out quickly. Leaves me hope for book 8.
The book was pushed back repeatedly and Magnus isn't avaible for another month and even longer untill he can be ordered. So probably they were already further along when the book came out.
Really hoping they do Amon and the blade cult. but first to finish burning, and calth and the eagle and...
Where do I sign to sell my soul to Tzeentch? I need money and time to build his unsuspecting army.
djones520 wrote: Great model. Proportions look fine to me, but I think that's just because so many are used to GW's horrible ability to model the human body properly. I mean seriously, when was the last time we saw a human with a neck?
Anyways, super stoked to see that they got the two primarchs with this book out quickly. Leaves me hope for book 8.
No, I am used to models from Darksword and many others that make models that don't have hips or their knees at the top of their shin.
I really quite like Magnus, the pose is nice and open and the sculpt is very nice, I am not a fan at ALL of the GW swirlies but I don't mind these ones as they are actually fairly subtle and serve a purpose considering the character. I'm quite looking forward to Whalemusic sending this for me to paint :-)
No nipple horns no Tommy. Seriously, it is in pretty much every piece of artwork that exists for big red... seems kinda lame to leave them off, they are iconic. Nice sculpt though, but that decision irks me.
MajorTom11 wrote: No nipple horns no Tommy. Seriously, it is in pretty much every piece of artwork that exists for big red... seems kinda lame to leave them off, they are iconic. Nice sculpt though, but that decision irks me.
I can see where you are coming from, doesn't seem like it would be very hard to add them yourself however.
Not defending the decision, but it is an option
MajorTom11 wrote: No nipple horns no Tommy. Seriously, it is in pretty much every piece of artwork that exists for big red... seems kinda lame to leave them off, they are iconic. Nice sculpt though, but that decision irks me.
I can see where you are coming from, doesn't seem like it would be very hard to add them yourself however.
Not defending the decision, but it is an option
I am hoping the knee horns can be moved there but he has one horn on the left sholder so it may not work
I prefer him sans nipple horns. I know they're in the artwork, but I still prefer him without. Nipple horns seem to be a very divisive issue so maybe they'll include a nipple horn option for those that want to horny up their nipples.
Are we expecting more Space Puppy releases? I was kinda expecting more than Russ + 5 chest pieces. I woulda thought the Pups were ripe for upgrade kits and whatnot.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I prefer him sans nipple horns. I know they're in the artwork, but I still prefer him without. Nipple horns seem to be a very divisive issue so maybe they'll include a nipple horn option for those that want to horny up their nipples.
Are we expecting more Space Puppy releases? I was kinda expecting more than Russ + 5 chest pieces. I woulda thought the Pups were ripe for upgrade kits and whatnot.
Yeah there's Wolf kits in the works, upgrade kits for the Grey Slayers (potentially multiple with different weapon options) which were nearly done and I think the Varangyr are being worked on.
Also, comparison of Magnus next to Vulkan (the biggest Primarch except Magnus)
I'm glad they went back to the origins of the character and removed the nipple horns. Pity he doesn't have the big bushy beard, though.
He looks pretty cool to me. If his right hand had been rotated to the same degree as the plastic model, I would have liked that symmetry, but that's a minor issue. And yes, it's a little disappointing that he doesn't fit with Russ like Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus, but then again, I don't think Magnus and Russ actually came together, did they?
I'm hoping for an updated Emperor's Children decal sheet soon, since the current one is now OOP.
While I am excited about the Magnus model, I have to ask where the models for "secondary" special characters are. I was not too pleased with the two Blackshields (Garro was ok), but I do not see a good sculptor behind Simon Eagan who can fill that void ...
Darth Bob wrote: There's a lot of good in this model, but unfortunately the proportions are completely jacked up and the lack of nipple horns is a travesty.
The amount of pro-Nipple Horn people here are... perplexing. I expect the end result will be akin to this:
I cant help but feel a lack of excitement for 30k with everything FW is releasing being ONLY 30k
Its boring, if, for 6mo, they stopped releasing 30k, the game would be fine and still made money.
Honest to god why are there stuff we have seen previewed a year ago not come out.....but Magnus is coming out after we saw him like a month ago.
Its honestly boring. They didnt need to give so much time to a damn marine carrying Two pistols now.
Its BORING
beezley1981 wrote: So do the Magnus and Russ models supposedly fit together in some way?
What this guy asked. I bought Russ in anticipation of him having a battle diorama with Magnus. Looks plausible based on the pose and base, would explain ruses "circling prey" pose a lot more if its his circling to the non magical fire side. Hes trying to get into Magnus's blind spot.. ultimate psychic powers, reduced field of vision
beezley1981 wrote: So do the Magnus and Russ models supposedly fit together in some way?
What this guy asked. I bought Russ in anticipation of him having a battle diorama with Magnus. Looks plausible based on the pose and base, would explain ruses "circling prey" pose a lot more if its his circling to the non magical fire side. Hes trying to get into Magnus's blind spot.. ultimate psychic powers, reduced field of vision
Rules-wise he ignores line of sight for the purpose of psychic power targeting...so no, no blind spots with him
beezley1981 wrote: So do the Magnus and Russ models supposedly fit together in some way?
What this guy asked. I bought Russ in anticipation of him having a battle diorama with Magnus. Looks plausible based on the pose and base, would explain ruses "circling prey" pose a lot more if its his circling to the non magical fire side. Hes trying to get into Magnus's blind spot.. ultimate psychic powers, reduced field of vision
Rules-wise he ignores line of sight for the purpose of psychic power targeting...so no, no blind spots with him
Yeah, and rules-wise Magnus would probably have broken Russ' back.
It's just that specific angle it looks like that. If you view the 360 the eye slit and the cut slit are in slightly different planes so that it's only that specific angle that it looks like an X.
For whatever reason FW haven't been great at picking angles to photograph their models in recent times.
I do not remember having seen these Moritat versions ... I just bought the one with volkite weapons and wanted him to be a RG. But the pistols would fit much better tbh ... well, I will not buy a second one if it is released.
Before I begin please don't assume that just because this is a new account that what you are about to read is false (I can't remember the password/email of my old account so I've made a new one). While what I've typed out below might be slightly adjusted due to memory it is all true.
Yesterday I visited Warhammer World as a treat for myself as it was my 32nd Birthday. Late in the evening a group of guys (who I am guessing were mostly Games Workshop staff) started playing an old game that GW used to make (I believe it was called Wastelander and used a mixture of rules). I started chatting to one of the guys and at the time I didn't realise I was talking to Andy Hoare himself. At some point in the evening I mentioned the ongoing theories behind why Cyraxus has been delayed and after hearing them he laughed and told me the actual reason.
It is all Andy Hoare's fault.
He was given the task of writing the first draft of the book and after he finished it (or around the time) he became the Manager for Specialist Games. Due to this the second draft was passed onto Alan Bligh who at the time was busy writing Inferno and as you can imagine there would naturally be delays in the second draft being completed. Add to this the fact that Alan Bligh has been ill for some time (I was told this by a member of Forge World Customer Service, something which Andy Hoare said shouldn't have happened). Then about a year ago they heard about 8th and so the delays for it to be completed kept piling on.
He agreed with me that it would not be surprising if Fire of Cyraxus became the first 8th edition IA book which most likely would delay it even further.
While also talking to Andy Hoare he told me (in not too great a detail) of how the Red Scorpions Lord Commander got himself interred in a Leviathan Dreadnought. Apparently when explaining to fellow staff members at Forge World he would say that he wasn't so much as placed into the Leviathan, more like being poured from a big bucket. Also the twin-linked Assault Cannon he is armed with is a Relic with some fancy rules.
Before I begin please don't assume that just because this is a new account that what you are about to read is false (I can't remember the password/email of my old account so I've made a new one). While what I've typed out below might be slightly adjusted due to memory it is all true.
Yesterday I visited Warhammer World as a treat for myself as it was my 32nd Birthday. Late in the evening a group of guys (who I am guessing were mostly Games Workshop staff) started playing an old game that GW used to make (I believe it was called Wastelander and used a mixture of rules). I started chatting to one of the guys and at the time I didn't realise I was talking to Andy Hoare himself. At some point in the evening I mentioned the ongoing theories behind why Cyraxus has been delayed and after hearing them he laughed and told me the actual reason.
It is all Andy Hoare's fault.
He was given the task of writing the first draft of the book and after he finished it (or around the time) he became the Manager for Specialist Games. Due to this the second draft was passed onto Alan Bligh who at the time was busy writing Inferno and as you can imagine there would naturally be delays in the second draft being completed. Add to this the fact that Alan Bligh has been ill for some time (I was told this by a member of Forge World Customer Service, something which Andy Hoare said shouldn't have happened). Then about a year ago they heard about 8th and so the delays for it to be completed kept piling on.
He agreed with me that it would not be surprising if Fire of Cyraxus became the first 8th edition IA book which most likely would delay it even further.
While also talking to Andy Hoare he told me (in not too great a detail) of how the Red Scorpions Lord Commander got himself interred in a Leviathan Dreadnought. Apparently when explaining to fellow staff members at Forge World he would say that he wasn't so much as placed into the Leviathan, more like being poured from a big bucket. Also the twin-linked Assault Cannon he is armed with is a Relic with some fancy rules.
So, we finally have the answer.
New FW model of Red Scorpion Apothecary with big bucket confirmed! I can't get the picture of a Apothecary and a Techmarine dumping him into a Dread and the conversation they would have out of my head now, thanks
Yay news that it's basically even more delayed. A man can dream that it will release this year. Thanks for the info all the same.
Well if it isn't coming this year then I guess that takes some pressure off of me since I would have needed to buy it and all the other cool stuff coming out and the budget can only take so much. A user on ATT has said the Tau should be getting one or two (possibly more) models this year. This news was from a month or two back. So the big quesiton is will they release them in advance of the book knowing how delayed it is? Or will they just wait until the book is closer to completion? I mean until 8th drops in June like rumored I don't think we'll see anything on Fyraxus and if we do no rules for sure.
mortar_crew wrote: Well I can't say I am too excited to see more
HH marines...
Especially when I saw today that most of the Elysian line
went down with even the basic squad
made " Sold Out-No longer available"...
They will be back, they are selling more than they thought they would due to the shadow war kill teams they have been advertising.
Yeah. It seems that the whole "SOLD OUT: No Longer Available" label isn't etched in stone. The Valkyrie Sky Talon and Solar Auxilia Basilisk/Medusa platform are back in stock.
But all of the current 40k books are now on the "Last Chance To Buy" list. Hopefully, they'll be back at some point updated to 8th Edition standards.
Gamgee wrote: A user on ATT has said the Tau should be getting one or two (possibly more) models this year. This news was from a month or two back. So the big quesiton is will they release them in advance of the book knowing how delayed it is?
Surely the first question should be "Is this person making things up to mess with us?"
Dysartes wrote: Surely the first question should be "Is this person making things up to mess with us?"
Likely not. We've already seen the new Tigershark model, so that leaves only one more unknown release. And it's a reasonably safe bet that the first new 40k book in a long time is going to have at least one new release to go with it, besides updated rules/models for existing units.
Before I begin please don't assume that just because this is a new account that what you are about to read is false (I can't remember the password/email of my old account so I've made a new one). While what I've typed out below might be slightly adjusted due to memory it is all true.
Yesterday I visited Warhammer World as a treat for myself as it was my 32nd Birthday. Late in the evening a group of guys (who I am guessing were mostly Games Workshop staff) started playing an old game that GW used to make (I believe it was called Wastelander and used a mixture of rules). I started chatting to one of the guys and at the time I didn't realise I was talking to Andy Hoare himself. At some point in the evening I mentioned the ongoing theories behind why Cyraxus has been delayed and after hearing them he laughed and told me the actual reason.
It is all Andy Hoare's fault.
He was given the task of writing the first draft of the book and after he finished it (or around the time) he became the Manager for Specialist Games. Due to this the second draft was passed onto Alan Bligh who at the time was busy writing Inferno and as you can imagine there would naturally be delays in the second draft being completed. Add to this the fact that Alan Bligh has been ill for some time (I was told this by a member of Forge World Customer Service, something which Andy Hoare said shouldn't have happened). Then about a year ago they heard about 8th and so the delays for it to be completed kept piling on.
He agreed with me that it would not be surprising if Fire of Cyraxus became the first 8th edition IA book which most likely would delay it even further.
While also talking to Andy Hoare he told me (in not too great a detail) of how the Red Scorpions Lord Commander got himself interred in a Leviathan Dreadnought. Apparently when explaining to fellow staff members at Forge World he would say that he wasn't so much as placed into the Leviathan, more like being poured from a big bucket. Also the twin-linked Assault Cannon he is armed with is a Relic with some fancy rules.
So, we finally have the answer.
Huh, i guess Carab Culln's Quote "Proud to Live, Proud to Die, Hard to Kill" has a LOT of Truth tied to it
I do like that Dreadnought, it certainly does bring back memories of the Terminator armour, doesn't seem to be any reason why we wouldn't see matching Terminators though, isn't the Contemptor dread meant to be side by side with the Tartaros terminators? therefore we can look forward to harassing FW until this becomes a reality and we have both!
Believe me, that look was a thing in 40K LONG before the Warjacks were around.
It actually might have been a look before the people who made warjacks were even born.
Considering Mike McVey was the guy who originally designed the Warjacks that is probably not true.
That he also did design work for GW prior to joining on with PP is often cited as a reason for aesthetic similarities between the two (though that has diverged a bit over the years since he left).
Medium of Death wrote: Really makes the "honour" of being put into a regular dread seem pretty dubious by comparison.
Well, I imagine the smaller dreads are considerably more agile, and at least a Castraferrum can walk through most starship corridors without banging it's head
I'm actually quite happy about this as otherwise I think the game would fall out of favor with the company and the playerbase - this will keep it more relevant.
But it does mean I hope the new rules are decent since 30k will depend on them!
Updating the Red books I would be fine with, I've always accepted that this would happen regardless if 8th edition happened or didn't happen. If they replaced the main HH books I would pitch a fit, those are much more expensive and the rules are only a few pages.
Did they alter that page recently? When I go to the Digital page it says HH will continue to use the current rules check the FB page for further information.
Eldarain wrote: Did they alter that page recently? When I go to the Digital page it says HH will continue to use the current rules check the FB page for further information.
Well yes as it caught them out lying as in the original faq they said they had no plans for changing 30k for now. I guess they were worried that if people know it is changing sales will drop off until people know what is what. That slow down will be a pain for GW with 40k, FW have changed to base the entire company off 30k a month or more of massively reduced 30k sales could be fatal too them.
Besides how many 30k players will be happy that there £2000+ army is now only good for a game based on a rule set just a step above pushing green army men around going pew pew.
I for one have no intention of making anymore purchases from FW until after any changes have been announced and made.
He'll tin foil hat on time but maybe GW want HH dead and gone since they seem to be setting up HH2.0 and might not want to canablise sales. That might tie in with the people leaving FW not being replaced as it is being scaled back to Hobbit, random 40k stuff and AoS monsters.
To be honest, I don't see a contradiction. the original FAQ said
A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games.
Seems pretty clear from here that the Heresy rules would be going to 8th edition in time - just not on the day of release.
AndrewGPaul wrote: To be honest, I don't see a contradiction. the original FAQ said
A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games.
Seems pretty clear from here that the Heresy rules would be going to 8th edition in time - just not on the day of release.
And the now deleted comment states 30k is dead shortly after 8th's launch. Where as"for the moment" seemed to give 30k a bit longer life span.
I was hoping that any change may have been delayed until after the initial train wreck that 8th looks to be had been fixed/amended/canned.
While we have limited information what we have has a massive effect on 30k. While the Morale system has minimal effect in 40k due to and they shall ignore all rules and the other dozen ways of ignoring it.
It is a fairly important part of 30k and 1 legion is more or less built around it. Even pinning is more of an issue again with a legion that uses it v.heavily.
Updating 30k rules sooner rather than later is important, imo, for exactly the uncertainty reasons you describe. Hopefully they'll be really clear about their plans, but with 8th edition going up for preorder in a month it shouldn't be long until we hear more!
At least they are offering these disclaimers for 30K prior to announcing a new Edition! Probably due to some of the negative feedback GW is getting for not refunding the Gathering Storm Books.
If I had had such a disclaimer for the Gathering Storm II, I wouldn't have wasted $52 on the book as I don't care for reading the narrative.
RiTides wrote: Updating 30k rules sooner rather than later is important, imo, for exactly the uncertainty reasons you describe. Hopefully they'll be really clear about their plans, but with 8th edition going up for preorder in a month it shouldn't be long until we hear more!
If certainty is what's important they could provide that equally well by assuring people their expensive books wouldn't be getting invalidated ahead of what was originally planned, ie that 30K would continue using 7th-AoD until the red books would naturally have been updated again perhaps next year. Or even better, by confirming that 30K would be remaining on its own AoD rules for the full run before being switched to only after Terra, so those who don't like 8th could keep playing the game they bought into in the first place with a full set of factions.
Certainty doesn't require them to switch to 8th at all, nevermind to do it quickly.
All of those options leave the changeover hanging ominously in the near future, do you really think people would buy any new books in that scenario? They've got to switch over to match the main ruleset, and ideally they'll get cracking on it, imo!
RiTides wrote: All of those options leave the changeover hanging ominously in the near future, do you really think people would buy any new books in that scenario? They've got to switch over to match the main ruleset, and ideally they'll get cracking on it, imo!
Whut? The assertion was that certainty was most important, all of those options give exactly that. And they don't have to switch to 8th at all, nobody is holding their family hostage and demanding they change HH to 8th to secure their release, they're choosing to do it. This isn't like the 6th-to-7th switch the entire core engine of the game is changing, unit profiles will be completely different, the entire morale system is going away ffs - they've got ~85% of the way through the series and now they're going to invalidate all of the expensive rules content that people have paid for well ahead of schedule and, into the bargain, make it impossible for people who end up disliking 8th to have complete rules for the series.
Lets be real here, if BL's nakedly commercial format shift for the HH novels was a wang move(and it absolutely was), this is an order of magnitude worse since at least BL continued producing the legacy format.
BrookM wrote: So wait, red books will have to be replaced yet again?
Yup. And Blood Angels, Dark Angels and White Scars will never get rules to match all the other Legions.
Yodhrin wrote: Or even better, by confirming that 30K would be remaining on its own AoD rules for the full run before being switched to only after Terra, so those who don't like 8th could keep playing the game they bought into in the first place with a full set of factions.
That's the clever way to do it - put out a somewhat cut-down version of the 7th Ed rules, fixing a few things - as a new 'Red Book' that allows them to release the remaining Legions/Robots/finish Terra.
Then release new red-books for the new Fisher-Price edition of 40K.
I'm actually quite happy about this as otherwise I think the game would fall out of favor with the company and the playerbase - this will keep it more relevant.
But it does mean I hope the new rules are decent since 30k will depend on them!
So... Does that mean Inferno will be gone too? Darn it forge world! We waited YEARS for that book !
Yodhrin wrote: And they don't have to switch to 8th at all, nobody is holding their family hostage and demanding they change HH to 8th to secure their release, they're choosing to do it.
Yeah. And you do know that it makes sense business wise...While it sucks for those who would want to stay in 7th ed ultimately those will be so small number that it makes more money for FW to switch than stay or even worse do both.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: That's the clever way to do it - put out a somewhat cut-down version of the 7th Ed rules, fixing a few things - as a new 'Red Book' that allows them to release the remaining Legions/Robots/finish Terra.
Then release new red-books for the new Fisher-Price edition of 40K.
Except that would put FW out of 8th edition for years which would cost them more money than they would gain.
Yeah. And you do know that it makes sense business wise...[....]
Except that would put FW out of 8th edition for years which would cost them more money than they would gain.
I don't see how it is better buisness wise to change the core rules during an editon
I mean it would be far less work to write a 12 page 7th edi quick rule sheet with everything needed and put them into the red books or sell it on it's own than re-write everything to match the 8th edi.
and from what we know about the rules yet, a lot of stuff won't work any more in 8th
most people I know playing HH is because of better rules and balance than 40k.
they will stay with 7th edi HH and if the new books will not match, they just won't buy them (and the will never buy their exisiting books again just because FW changed the rules to match 8th)
Glad they are switching, the new rules are so much better just from what has been released already. And potential for some salt covered bargains on eBay will be the icing
kodos wrote: I don't see how it is better buisness wise to change the core rules during an editon
Splitting customers isn't good. They are going to lose sales. It's hard to market old dead game system when there's new ones. Sure you would have the few who would prefer to stay in 7th. What about those who want to switch to 8th? Completely new players? Especially those who are playing 8th? Especially when you then have to convince them to buy 7th ed rulebook(12" won't cover that...) AND red books which costs lot more likely than getting to 8th will be(possibly free...)
Miniature sales don't really thrive with existing customers but by new customers.
Thebiggesthat wrote: Glad they are switching, the new rules are so much better just from what has been released already. And potential for some salt covered bargains on eBay will be the icing
In what way is what has been shown better for HH than what we all ready have?
The whole attraction of HH was so that the grown ups could have a version of 40k with more depth and complexity than the standard 40k allowed.
For example the fully functioning morale and pinning mechanics that we're never actually used in 40k.
The Legion rules that provided a level of fluff and crunch missing from 40k for years, as it stands for example all existing Night Lords rules would change to -1 to Bravery, Emperors Children's mechanic no longer even exists and it looks no better for the rest.
If that's not the case then FW are going to have to waste huge amounts of time salvaging a workable game from the AoS foundations of 8th and rewriting nearly 7years worth of rules rather than progressing further which is terrible considering there glacial pace.
Ultimately if the rules end up as dumbed down as 8th looks to be I don't see the point in not just playing HH2.0 in 40k and paying the cheaper GW prices. But more likely I will move on to look for another more satisfying game to play as will my current club who play HH.
kodos wrote: I don't see how it is better buisness wise to change the core rules during an editon
Splitting customers isn't good. They are going to lose sales. It's hard to market old dead game system when there's new ones. Sure you would have the few who would prefer to stay in 7th. What about those who want to switch to 8th? Completely new players? Especially those who are playing 8th? Especially when you then have to convince them to buy 7th ed rulebook(12" won't cover that...) AND red books which costs lot more likely than getting to 8th will be(possibly free...)
Miniature sales don't really thrive with existing customers but by new customers.
Except your not splitting the player base any more than it all ready is, a lot of 30k players would not touch 40k with a 10ft pole and dumbing it down even further is unlikely to change that. In fact by keeping HH on 7th you potentially retain more players as it gives an alternative to either AoS or AoS in space.
'allowing adults to play' and 'dumbing down' are two more reasons to change the rulesets.
The snobbery and elitism that seems to exist in HH will get a well needed boot up the backside. And those that want to carry on can continue with 7th and a community ruleset. Everyone is happy
Thebiggesthat wrote: 'allowing adults to play' and 'dumbing down' are two more reasons to change the rulesets.
The snobbery and elitism that seems to exist in HH will get a well needed boot up the backside. And those that want to carry on can continue with 7th and a community ruleset. Everyone is happy
Judging from your posts you unlikely to be happy unless someone is unhappy, plus it's not snobbery or elitism someone's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder, rules to complicated or FW to exspensive?
The HH events at WHW show a older player base compared to AoS/40k so a simple statement of facts.
In Black Crusade, specifically the Tome of Fate, there is a weapon in the wargear section that is a pair of matched light Khopesh swords. There was also a rival type of sword, a big heavy two-handed Khopesh. These are perfect for this.
Thebiggesthat wrote: The snobbery and elitism that seems to exist in HH will get a well needed boot up the backside. And those that want to carry on can continue with 7th and a community ruleset. Everyone is happy
Yeah! Feth all them players who latched onto 30K as a new way to play 40K, especially the Blood Angel, Dark Angel and White Scar players that will never get their rules. They don't deserve rules anyway, damned snobs!
Thebiggesthat wrote: The snobbery and elitism that seems to exist in HH will get a well needed boot up the backside. And those that want to carry on can continue with 7th and a community ruleset. Everyone is happy
Yeah! Feth all them players who latched onto 30K as a new way to play 40K, especially the Blood Angel, Dark Angel and White Scar players that will never get their rules. They don't deserve rules anyway, damned snobs!
Where is the upgrade kit for the Sekhmet?! I've been sitting on 10 plastic Cataphractii just waiting for them to be released. They have an upgrade kit for the Khenetai, but only the full set for the Sekhmet.
H.B.M.C. wrote: In Black Crusade, specifically the Tome of Fate, there is a weapon in the wargear section that is a pair of matched light Khopesh swords. There was also a rival type of sword, a big heavy two-handed Khopesh. These are perfect for this.
Thebiggesthat wrote: The snobbery and elitism that seems to exist in HH will get a well needed boot up the backside. And those that want to carry on can continue with 7th and a community ruleset. Everyone is happy
Yeah! Feth all them players who latched onto 30K as a new way to play 40K, especially the Blood Angel, Dark Angel and White Scar players that will never get their rules. They don't deserve rules anyway, damned snobs!
They've at least got partial rules in one of the books (Book VI, I think. Will need to check!)
But for me, provided FW put out the new unit rules etc for free as they did with Monstrous Arcanum stuff (eventually), I've not got a great sense of loss for Books I-VII. Still got their background in them, and still got me 40k rules.
Chance to win warlord titan, US&Canada seems to be excluded.
Tempting...Had been planning to avoid buying(I have tons of unpainted left, indeed still no painted army yet, and my japan trip will keep home time limited for month or two due to needing to write blog and make photobook out of it) but maybe I could slip in order...
kodos wrote: I don't see how it is better buisness wise to change the core rules during an editon
Splitting customers isn't good. They are going to lose sales.
You are assuming that 30k is just "another codex book" for 40k but most people see 30k as a game on its own that is completely separated from 40k.
there is no unified playerbase of 30k&40k and changing HH to 8th will split up the customers and therefore they will lose sales
What about those who want to switch to 8th?
those that want to play 40k 8th will play 40k 8th anyway and don't care about HH because those are already 2 different games
Especially when you then have to convince them to buy 7th ed rulebook(12" won't cover that...)
the 7th edi rules needed to play fit on 8 pages if written without fluff texts, side notes and pictures
that is also the reason why the 7th is such a mess, because you need 300 pages to cover 8 pages of rules
AND red books which costs lot more likely than getting to 8th will be(possibly free...)
you need the red books anyway
Completely new players? Especially those who are playing 8th?
you think new players will play HH because of 8th edi rules and not because of the flair/setting?
with the same reason why you say HH need to switch to 8th, Shadow War: Armageddon would need to switch to 8th edi basic rules instead of the current 2nd edi rules
kodos wrote: those that want to play 40k 8th will play 40k 8th anyway and don't care about HH because those are already 2 different games
You can already see people hoping for 30k turn into 8th ed rule. Just read the forum...Read this very thread! And without 8th ed rules for HH armies it's kinda hard to play 8th ed with your sons of horus etc.
you need the red books anyway
Not neccessarily if FW goes GW style and has books just for campaign/fluff.
you think new players will play HH because of 8th edi rules and not because of the flair/setting?
It's lot easier to convince people to play supplement of rules they know than go for dead ruleset.
Anyway moot point to arque as FW obviously has decided it makes more money by switching to 8th ed than if not.
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Screw that. You don't even need to buy! (guess that's why it's separate page). Sending your info is enough...
Maybe some US specific law that prevents lottery like this requiring purchase?
Canadians have extra hurdle though "If a name is drawn which belongs to a resident of Canada, they must correctly answer a skill-testing question in order to win a prize, in accordance with Canadian law."
But americans have advantage here I think. Cheaper to send letter than buy 100£+ and you can send as many entries as you want...
Will still most likely enter it, but just because of some inevitable purchase Maan, Warlord Titan would be nice to win. Heck, I wouldn't look down on those small prizes
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: ... I've not got a great sense of loss for Books I-VII. Still got their background in them, and still got me 40k rules.
Ah yes, the "Don't care. Got mine!" attitude. Wonderful.
I don't play Scars, BAs or DAs. I've got my 30K rules (World Eaters & Custodes). Still annoys me that the line is incomplete and, seemingly, will never be complete, leaving 30K players (which has taken on a life of its own, more than I ever thought it would) in lurch with an incomplete game.
New Edition brings new rules from FW - as I mentioned, hopefully in the form of free updates. Not as if there's all that many things needing them, and certainly nothing particularly unusual.
And there's nothing to suggest we won't be getting 7th Ed rules in the next book as well, other than supposition. I don't consider it outside of FW's ability to offer both.
Oh., and exceptional editing there to remove my point that the currently missing legions do have at least some rules in Book VI (might be Book V. Will need to check)
Screw that. You don't even need to buy! (guess that's why it's separate page). Sending your info is enough...
Maybe some US specific law that prevents lottery like this requiring purchase?
Canadians have extra hurdle though "If a name is drawn which belongs to a resident of Canada, they must correctly answer a skill-testing question in order to win a prize, in accordance with Canadian law."
But americans have advantage here I think. Cheaper to send letter than buy 100£+ and you can send as many entries as you want...
I'm a White Scars player, and I hope that they change the Heresy to 8e. I play more 40k than I do 30k, and trying to remember two sets of rules for the exact same set of models is already annoying, let alone if one is actually a radical divergence from the other.
Furthermore, Horus Heresy is basically just a subset of the Warhammer 40,000 game. It surely gets a lot of player movement from 40k to 30k, and that movement is not going to be helped by a separate ruleset. I believe that Forgeworld will keep their game close to 40k in order to ensure that new players can justify moving into 30k.
I also suspect that we'll see some of the restrictions on Forgeworld tanks quietly go away, in line with the new fluff which implies time-distortions; it cannot help sales for people to have to jump through hoops to use things like Sicarian Venators with their 40k armies.
Oh didn't expect it to be difficult. Just made me chuckle Actually I expect it to be dead easy much like in those tv visas where if you get to answer by calling and get it correctly it's always dead easy trivial question(albeit there reason is to get lots to call to the expensive phone number where questions are no doubt lot more difficult)
Wonder what question it would be. Something super simple so name of primarch that started heresy named after him?-)
Sooo tempted. Too bad postage is annoyingly high and 250£ is tad much for now.
I emailed about the lack of an upgrade kit for the Sekhmet Terminators, as well as the character model that originally appeared as the squad leader.
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Many thanks for the email, our studio have no plans to release the Thousand Sons Sehkmet Terminator Cabal as an upgrade kit in the foreseeable future.
This was a decision made based on the designers preference of terminator armour for the unit, As the Tartaros and Cataphactii patterns of armour are so different from each other we could not create a kit that would suit both types without having two separate kits.
Our studio decided to release the product as a full kit for the ease of having all of the components to hand to make up a full squad through a single purchase.
We cannot assume a customer already owns or had set out to purposefully purchase a set of cataphractii terminator armour to upgrade into Sehkmet Terminators.
As for the Sehkment character, i am afraid we have no confirmed release date as yet.
I hope this helps answer your question
Thanks again
I don't really understand the reasoning. Guess I'm not buying them after all.
the_scotsman wrote: So, is it just the shadows/lighting, or are those terminators wearing Phantom of the Opera half-masks?
They're not half masks, per se. The face plates of the helms are painted white, and then the right (left, from the viewer's perspective) eye is covered over by a sort of armor applique which represents a scar, referencing Magnus' lost eye.
I'll probably make the "scar" applique smaller/thinner, and definitely won't be painting the face plates such a stark white.
beezley1981 wrote: So do the Magnus and Russ models supposedly fit together in some way?
What this guy asked. I bought Russ in anticipation of him having a battle diorama with Magnus. Looks plausible based on the pose and base, would explain ruses "circling prey" pose a lot more if its his circling to the non magical fire side. Hes trying to get into Magnus's blind spot.. ultimate psychic powers, reduced field of vision
Rules-wise he ignores line of sight for the purpose of psychic power targeting...so no, no blind spots with him
Yeah, and rules-wise Magnus would probably have broken Russ' back.
7 S: D hits in a 36" bubble is enough to end Russ, everything he stands for, everything he's loved, and probably his planet too.
Umm... really? It's right there in black and white:
"This was a decision made based on the designers preference of terminator armour for the unit, As the Tartaros and Cataphactii patterns of armour are so different from each other we could not create a kit that would suit both types without having two separate kits.
...
We cannot assume a customer already owns or had set out to purposefully purchase a set of cataphractii terminator armour to upgrade into Sehkmet Terminators."
Seems like a perfectly reasonable and well-thought-out answer.
Why would they have to make a Tartaros version? I just want to buy upgrade kits for the Cataphractii I already have. It seems irrelevant unless they're saying that customers are too stupid to build them with the right plastic kit.
And as for not assuming that customers already have the plastic kit - that's not what I'm asking them to do. I'm not saying don't sell a complete kit. I'm saying they shouldn't assume either way, and give us the option, just like they did with the Occult Blades.
There are plenty of people that have Cataphractii kits from the Calth box and were hoping for an upgrade kit. I'm not the only one whose money they're turning away.
They're saying that the kit only works with the Caraphracti version and... well, again, black and white:
"We cannot assume a customer already owns or had set out to purposefully purchase a set of cataphractii terminator armour to upgrade into Sehkmet Terminators."
As it only works with one specific kit they just put that kit with the upgrades. They don't want people buying the kit and then finding out that they have to buy something they never intended to ("You mean I have to buy a Cataphractii kit for these?"), or, worse, that they've tried to use it with another Terminator kit and found out that it didn't work ("What do you mean these don't work with my Wood Elf archers?").
This way the only way to get this kit is to have all the pieces you need to make it work. Nothing more complicated than that.
H.B.M.C. wrote: As it only works with one specific kit they just put that kit with the upgrades. They don't want people buying the kit and then finding out that they have to buy something they never intended to ("You mean I have to buy a Cataphractii kit for these?"),
FW already make plenty of upgrade kits. If it's not a problem for the dozens of other upgrade kits I don't see why it should be for this one.
or, worse, that they've tried to use it with another Terminator kit and found out that it didn't work
So just have a warning "NOTE: These are designed as an upgrade kit for Cataphractii armour and may not fit other armour marks".
I know your typical wargamer is pretty stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid.
Given a lot of people are going to have Cataphractii's from Calth it doesn't seem like a stretch to just give the option of buying the resin bits by themselves. If they just sold this...
...it'd just look like every other upgrade kit you can buy from FW.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They only work with one kit, so why not just sell it with that kit?
Because the kit they work with is often bought as part of a larger bundle, BaC, which a lot of people are already going to have. FW have lots of kits that are upgrades and only work with one kit. The Vendetta conversion kit, the Space Wolf Terminator conversion kit, a bunch of vehicle conversion kits.
The only reason I can see to not sell it as a conversion kit is they want to sell more Cataphractii's rather than letting people upgrade their existing ones or the ones they are buying out of the Calth boxed set.
Couldn't hurt to send them another message along those lines, Skink. Maybe they'll offer the kit later on, particularly if these aren't selling as a full kit.
I think the resin torso parts could easily fit on the tartaros terminators. There isnt a huge difference between the cataphractii and tartaros waist area. The big difficulty would be having tartaros right arms to accept the power weapons.
DaemonJellybaby wrote: I think the resin torso parts could easily fit on the tartaros terminators. There isnt a huge difference between the cataphractii and tartaros waist area. The big difficulty would be having tartaros right arms to accept the power weapons.
Bits buy the 40K Scarab Occult arms, the khopesh is separate for both.
Am I the only one who doesn't like the Cata's (or the Osiron now I've seen it painted)? A shame I've just finished painting 15 of GW's Scarabs for my 40k Sons, now it means I'll be painting a bunch more, but red instead of blue. Would have been nice to paint a different model.
On the other hand, the Blade Boyz look much nicer painted compared to stark resin. Shame they're basically just Vets with blademaster and swords who can't score though.
I heared some rumors that say that with the 8th Edition, the FW-Books will have Versions in french, german anf spanish languages. Did someone heared similary rumors?
Lots of Land Raider doors going sold out at the minute. I asked about the Emperors Children ones and was told they were not restocking them, so I imagine the same applies to the rest.
I am convinced at this point that the FW painter behind all the Blood Bowl stuff was given cartoony guidance and it just looks bad. Compare that Verminlord to the BB Skaven Star!!! The former is well-painted with a lot more nuance on the flesh and cloth. The latter though... just like a weird attempt at a video game character or something. Ick.
I hope images of these star players painted by non-FW painters start trickling out and we can get a better sense of them.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: I am convinced at this point that the FW painter behind all the Blood Bowl stuff was given cartoony guidance and it just looks bad. Compare that Verminlord to the BB Skaven Star!!! The former is well-painted with a lot more nuance on the flesh and cloth. The latter though... just like a weird attempt at a video game character or something. Ick.
I hope images of these star players painted by non-FW painters start trickling out and we can get a better sense of them.
Actually, if you're in a contact sport, not having hair is a pretty good idea.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: I am convinced at this point that the FW painter behind all the Blood Bowl stuff was given cartoony guidance and it just looks bad. Compare that Verminlord to the BB Skaven Star!!! The former is well-painted with a lot more nuance on the flesh and cloth. The latter though... just like a weird attempt at a video game character or something. Ick.
I hope images of these star players painted by non-FW painters start trickling out and we can get a better sense of them.
Actually, if you're in a contact sport, not having hair is a pretty good idea.
Actually, I didn't say anything about having or not having hair. Like at all.
I actually like star players paintjob more, it looks more professional. Though Skaven are the race I wouldn't play if someone gave me an army for free, so the whole Friday release is kinda meh.
Gives a slight hope to see Macharius Omega, TAU Orca, Eldar Vampire Raider/Hunter and other sexy things they've taken out return
Amusingly, I was in my local GW on Saturday for a couple of paints, and the manager mentioned that the company seems to take really poor pictures of models (this was after we looked at the new Goblin secret weapon guys on the computer there).
He did mention something about them having hired a new model photographer recently, so we'll see if things change.
Some new Hobbit bits showing up Not a big fan of the Troll. Not the models fault, the design in general doesn't do much for me. But Gwaihir is awesome. He's a definite pick up.
The sculpt is very good, but that desing was awfull in the movie, and is awfull in the miniature...
I really love the LOTR aesthetic, but I can't winstand the HOBBIT's one...
I had posted that pic here yesterday as part of the Battle for Terra-retconning-/40k Sanguinius-/future BA campaign-discussion in the 8th edition thread. If it had been quoted with context, it would have helped This was discussed by Mr. Goulding on B&C and other forums about half a year ago and he posted the photo on twitter. It was the final meeting for the HH book and game setting, and to coordinate BL and FW products as I understand it.
Already pointed out by TimD, there was an earlier Wargames Series by Jervis Johnson which consisted of four boxed games (and a White Dwarf expansion called Warmaster) in 92/93 and laid the foundation for several major storylines in the setting, many only mentioned briefly before
- Horus Heresy (plus Warmaster article in WD)
- Battle for Armageddon (plus boxed expansion)
- Doom of the Eldar
The photo shows the FFGHH remake from a few years ago and other original source material like WD articles. Back in the early 90s Bill King supported the series and fleshed out the storylines with his (imo really good) fiction material. It didnt change much later afaik. But if you read it today, it is quite basic. Later followed the CCG game and the source books by Alan Merrett.
Taking Atias hint into consideration, FW and BL seem to take this serious and are working on more interesting material for the finale of the HH. I dont see how this is different to books like Master of Mankind for example. I trust them to make it an interesting endavour both in fiction and gaming material.
Thanks for that But Jez-us that price. Oh well, I guess working it out from the other components isn't wasn't that far off. And it's so expensive points wise, no army is going to need more than one.
Dysartes wrote: Amusingly, I was in my local GW on Saturday for a couple of paints, and the manager mentioned that the company seems to take really poor pictures of models (this was after we looked at the new Goblin secret weapon guys on the computer there).
He did mention something about them having hired a new model photographer recently, so we'll see if things change.
I doubt it has anything to do with a new photographer. They are often photographing pre-production models (can still see the striations from 3D printing) and not putting the effort in to capture good angles and editing. No company is silly enough to have the photographer alone making the final decision about what actually gets printed, it's more a quality control issue further down the line.
Dysartes wrote: Amusingly, I was in my local GW on Saturday for a couple of paints, and the manager mentioned that the company seems to take really poor pictures of models (this was after we looked at the new Goblin secret weapon guys on the computer there).
He did mention something about them having hired a new model photographer recently, so we'll see if things change.
I doubt it has anything to do with a new photographer. They are often photographing pre-production models (can still see the striations from 3D printing) and not putting the effort in to capture good angles and editing. No company is silly enough to have the photographer alone making the final decision about what actually gets printed, it's more a quality control issue further down the line.
I am pretty sure he was referring to leaks of the full models, not the Rumour Engine image. It is a general comment about GW not choosing the best angles for photographing it's models.
SeanDrake wrote: Awww nuts after 14mths out of stock the Eldar corsair kit has been taken oout back and shot due to lack of sales .
It would appear the cull has started.
Yup, gotta clear space for the inevitable primus marine kits. I miss the more unique kits FW used to release. And I miss the carcharadons transfer sheet. Is the hobbit stuff they are releasing actually selling? I was under the impression the hobbit game was on its deathbed and would vanish when the license expires...not to mention the hobbit movies were kind of cringeworthy.
Well, keep in mind, in many countries/places in order to keep an IP or a license you have to prove that you're using it, etc. So they are probably selling a few, but also need to keep pushing it to convince the licensor to keep it active.
SeanDrake wrote: Awww nuts after 14mths out of stock the Eldar corsair kit has been taken oout back and shot due to lack of sales .
It would appear the cull has started.
Yup, gotta clear space for the inevitable primus marine kits. I miss the more unique kits FW used to release. And I miss the carcharadons transfer sheet. Is the hobbit stuff they are releasing actually selling? I was under the impression the hobbit game was on its deathbed and would vanish when the license expires...not to mention the hobbit movies were kind of cringeworthy.
The corpse of LotR/Hobbit will lurch on indefinitely GW we're terrified someone else could get the licence and do something with it.
As for the Hobbit stuff even for FW/GW it hideously overpriced they most likely have to sell very little to cover there costs.
As for what FW sell who knows as GW seem to be pulling the rug out from under them, AoSing 30k is not very likely to go well. A huge selection of there models like LR and Rhino doors and addons to plastic kits will be worthless once GW deep six the plastic models they are based on.
There going to be left with some frankly fugly BloodBowl miniatures, The Hobbit and vehicles for armies that are most likely end of lined.
Combine that with losing staff whom are not replaced and this may be the end of FW in It's current form which will please some people in GW proper no end.
Slinky wrote: The DKOK Grenadier Squad, which had also been "out of stock" for months has now vanished.
It was the last thing I needed to complete my planned DKOK force, so I may have to trawl eBay :(
Email FW and ask them if they plan on bringing it back.
Also try doing a search on the website, rather than just browsing through using the filters; all of the Elysian stuff disappeared recently and the came back, but the senior HQ isn't tagged right for the filters, so doesn't appear unless you do a full search.
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As for what FW sell who knows as GW seem to be pulling the rug out from under them, AoSing 30k is not very likely to go well. A huge selection of there models like LR and Rhino doors and addons to plastic kits will be worthless once GW deep six the plastic models they are based on.
There going to be left with some frankly fugly BloodBowl miniatures, The Hobbit and vehicles for armies that are most likely end of lined.
Combine that with losing staff whom are not replaced and this may be the end of FW in It's current form which will please some people in GW proper no end.
Or it's chance to sell new set of add on. Same again! Most of existing addon sales are already done anyway
Can people prod them and ask if they still have plans to release some fires of curaxus models without rules in the interim since it's going to take even longer again to get it made to 8th rules.
Considering that the new Hobbit rulebook has been sold out several times now and seeing that the Hobbit tournament scene is one of the most active ones in Germany, I'd say their sales aren't too bad in that range.
And seeing that they turned WHF into a skirmish style game like lotr and that they try to copy things from that system (command points, actual balance) to 40K makes me think that they have realised it was actually their best gaming system so far .
Someone said, that they took those things out of website because there are no plans for them to be restocked/making new molds takes bloody long time, but they should eventually come back.
Makes me want some Prospero terrain as well, pretty sure FW abandoned making scenery a while back though. I miss the old CoD pieces and that Imperial Fortress they used to sell, they were incredible to look at.
We’ve seen already today what the launch line-up for the new Warhammer 40,000 will be from our main studio (and if you didn’t then check it out here).
As well as your Citadel Miniatures, we know that loads of you love to include Forge World models in your forces or even make whole armies of these more specialised kits. Don’t worry, we have you covered.
Much like Citadel Miniatures, rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books. The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June. Every single Warhammer 40,000 miniature that Forge World make today will be covered, as well as a few classic ones. Also included are rules for a few characters who do not yet have a model, such as some heroes and villains of the Badab Wars. On top of that, several units will be made available to factions that never previously had access to them, and on Wednesday this week, we’ll be taking a look at one of them when we see our first Forge World datasheet for the new edition.
For you Horus Heresy fans out there, Forge World will be announcing the future of that game system at Warhammer Fest this weekend. We’ll bring you the news from the event as it breaks, right here on the Warhammer Community site.
Loopstah wrote: They better get the other factions out quicker than they did Inferno and Cyraxus.
From the article:
Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June. Every single Warhammer 40,000 miniature that Forge World make today will be covered, as well as a few classic ones.
I wonder if they will do a bundle for the complete set of faction books? Due to the way FW postage costs works I'm going to wait anyway, but fingers crossed.
Yeah, the price will be the thing - IIRC the rumour was that the GW (apprently now named as)"Index" books would be pretty cheapo relative to other GW publications of similar size, so if FW turn come along wanting £50-70 for each of these Faction Index titles that'll be a pretty big kick in the nuts to people who've already given FW a pretty significant amount of money.
Yodhrin wrote: Yeah, the price will be the thing - IIRC the rumour was that the GW (apprently now named as)"Index" books would be pretty cheapo relative to other GW publications of similar size, so if FW turn come along wanting £50-70 for each of these Faction Index titles that'll be a pretty big kick in the nuts to people who've already given FW a pretty significant amount of money.
Price will be one of two things, availability will be another.
I loathed having to order one or two things from FW and there are no events that are easily accessible(read: don't involve crossing half the country to get to) that FW attend.
Verviedi wrote: And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.
Yeap FW I just have tons of doubts. I don't even think it will be out this year. Unless Fires o Cyraxus is our index book.
BrookM wrote: I just hope they get their heads out of their arses and deliver a print product for once that isn't riddled with typos, missing data or wrong info.
Yeah, really don't need the FAQ being longer than the book…
On a slightly different topic, does anyone else hope they stick to 7th edition rules for 30k?
Or at least 7.5 edition, with mostly the same points, stats and rules, but a few tweaks in gameplay like chargers getting an initiative bonus, unwieldy becoming a negative hit mod, that sort of thing?
BrookM wrote: I just hope they get their heads out of their arses and deliver a print product for once that isn't riddled with typos, missing data or wrong info.
Yeah, really don't need the FAQ being longer than the book…
On a slightly different topic, does anyone else hope they stick to 7th edition rules for 30k?
Or at least 7.5 edition, with mostly the same points, stats and rules, but a few tweaks in gameplay like chargers getting an initiative bonus, unwieldy becoming a negative hit mod, that sort of thing?
Not really tbh.
I think that the horus heresy rules made the best of a crappy ruleset.
I think they'd do much better with the current one.
Just thinking of moritats popping pistols into melee gets me all sorts of excited.
BrookM wrote: I just hope they get their heads out of their arses and deliver a print product for once that isn't riddled with typos, missing data or wrong info.
Yeah, really don't need the FAQ being longer than the book…
Or FW taking half a year to crank out a fething FAQ to begin with..
Fw put much of it's stuff on hold because they knew 8th was launching....
On their site -
Rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books. The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June. Every single Warhammer 40,000 miniature that Forge World make today will be covered, as well as a few classic ones. Also included are rules for a few characters who do not yet have a model, such as some heroes and villains of the Badab Wars. On top of that, several units will be made available to factions that never previously had access to them, and on Wednesday this week, we’ll be taking a look at one of them when we see our first Forge World datasheet for the new edition.
For you Horus Heresy fans out there, Forge World will be announcing the future of that game system at Warhammer Fest this weekend. We’ll bring you the news from the event as it breaks, right here on the Warhammer Community site.
Verviedi wrote: And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.
That was never officially announced, though, was it?
Verviedi wrote: And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.
That was never officially announced, though, was it?
On May 10th, 2016, Fires Of Cyraxus was announced, for "Summer 2016", at WarhammerFest.
It has been 379 days since this occured, according to my timer.
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RiTides wrote: So do you think Mechanicum will still wait for Fires of Cyraxus to get 40k rules, or will they be in one's of these indexes?
I'm genuinely asking that, btw, in case it isn't clear... maybe someone could ask at Warhammer Fest this weekend?
Also looking forward to hearing what they're doing with 30K then
Make it so, whoever actually does this. Please do ask about Fires, repeatedly, until FW caves and gives an exact date, table of contents, and handwritten apology letter.
Gamgee wrote: Can people prod them and ask if they still have plans to release some fires of curaxus models without rules in the interim since it's going to take even longer again to get it made to 8th rules.
Fires is going to be #Full8th, so I don't think we'll see any rules for that soon.
My biggest concern is if Prospero will get a reprint in the current rules...
Gamgee wrote: Can people prod them and ask if they still have plans to release some fires of curaxus models without rules in the interim since it's going to take even longer again to get it made to 8th rules.
Fires is going to be #Full8th, so I don't think we'll see any rules for that soon.
My biggest concern is if Prospero will get a reprint in the current rules...
I know but allegedly they are working on new models for that book for tha Tau. Why wait an entire year to release them or more? Just drop them without rules. More importantly we know a large Tau update is coming next year from Lady Atia. I would like to actually be able to buy all the cool models which is easier if they spread them out instead of just both GW and FW throwing everything out in one narrow window where I can't afford to get everything. Add in money being diverted to Kharadron Overlords army as well and my budget for Tau stuff is thin.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.
Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.
AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.
Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.
AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.
Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.
AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.
Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.
AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.
im assuming + sv modifiers from cover and things.
Yeah, this. Basic cover adds +1 Sv and in certain circumstances that can go up, never mind psychic buffs and whatnot.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.
Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.
AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.
im assuming + sv modifiers from cover and things.
Yeah, this. Basic cover adds +1 Sv and in certain circumstances that can go up, never mind psychic buffs and whatnot.
But the save can't be improved beyond a 2+ anyhow, unless they allow a 1+ (unlikely). I could just not be understanding the timing of when things are applied. If you get the cover mod after the AP is calculated, sure, because it would drop you from 2+ to nothing and you get a 6+ because the cover bump. However, if it does not modify at that step, you get your modified 2+ armor save with cover, which is still a 2+, which goes away with this gun.
It was an Ignore Cover AP2 gun originally though, but this seems a radical change of the weapon overall.
Does anybody know if the big black heresy books are at an end now? Will we get more in the numbered series, will they be 8th ed compliant or stay with 7th?
Verviedi wrote: And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.
That was never officially announced, though, was it?
On May 10th, 2016, Fires Of Cyraxus was announced, for "Summer 2016", at WarhammerFest.
It has been 379 days since this occured, according to my timer..
I don't remember ever seeing it announced on their website like this, or in an email newsletter, though; that's what I mean by an official announcement. A verbal discussion at Warhammer Fest is a pretty good indication, but plans can (and did) change - by that point they must have known 8th edition was coming.
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em_en_oh_pee wrote: But the save can't be improved beyond a 2+ anyhow, unless they allow a 1+ (unlikely). I could just not be understanding the timing of when things are applied. If you get the cover mod after the AP is calculated, sure, because it would drop you from 2+ to nothing and you get a 6+ because the cover bump. However, if it does not modify at that step, you get your modified 2+ armor save with cover, which is still a 2+, which goes away with this gun.
It was an Ignore Cover AP2 gun originally though, but this seems a radical change of the weapon overall.
I don't think any "timing" is required; simply add up all the modifiers - positive from cover, negative from AP, and apply the final result to the save. +2 then - 5 is the same as -5 then +2, since you don't need to cap the save at 2+ until the end of the calculation.
Verviedi wrote: And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.
That was never officially announced, though, was it?
On May 10th, 2016, Fires Of Cyraxus was announced, for "Summer 2016", at WarhammerFest.
It has been 379 days since this occured, according to my timer..
I don't remember ever seeing it announced on their website like this, or in an email newsletter, though; that's what I mean by an official announcement. A verbal discussion at Warhammer Fest is a pretty good indication, but plans can (and did) change - by that point they must have known 8th edition was coming.
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em_en_oh_pee wrote: But the save can't be improved beyond a 2+ anyhow, unless they allow a 1+ (unlikely). I could just not be understanding the timing of when things are applied. If you get the cover mod after the AP is calculated, sure, because it would drop you from 2+ to nothing and you get a 6+ because the cover bump. However, if it does not modify at that step, you get your modified 2+ armor save with cover, which is still a 2+, which goes away with this gun.
It was an Ignore Cover AP2 gun originally though, but this seems a radical change of the weapon overall.
I don't think any "timing" is required; simply add up all the modifiers - positive from cover, negative from AP, and apply the final result to the save. +2 then - 5 is the same as -5 then +2, since you don't need to cap the save at 2+ until the end of the calculation.
Yes, I know about those. My point was that none of them are announcements on their website or their newsletter to all and sundry saying "this book will be available on this date". The statement about the 8th edition Index books is a more concrete statement.
- Magnus The Red – Primarch of the Thousand Sons Legion;
- a Thousand Sons Contemptor Dreadnought;
- a Castellax-Achea Battle-automata with Aether-flame Cannon;
- a Castellax-Achea Battle-automata with Mauler Pattern Bolt Cannon;
- two Khenetai Occult Blade Cabal Upgrade Sets;
- a set of 10 Mark IV Space Marines;
- a 5-model Thousand Sons Legion Sekhmet Terminator Cabal;
- a Thousand Sons Legion Osiron Pattern Contemptor Dreadnought;
- a Contemptor Pattern Autocannon;
- a Contemptor Pattern Close Combat Arm (Fist);
- and a Contemptor Pattern Volkite Culverin.
Anyways, I'd say it's a very community friendly, and scalper-ass-kicking move, since everyone can pre-order it now and there should be less "nobody knows when it's going to be on sale, so you can buy mine for 100 quid" moves.
I actually skimmed past the bundle on the FW store, assuming it was called "Court of the Crimson King" and promptly putting it completely out of mind. Now I'm in this thread, I saw that post and tried for a while to get what I thought was a joke ("Court of the Crimson Ling"), so I looked at the bundle again - what a missed opportunity!
Good to see that the awkward proportion of the legs was just an awkward angling. The initial photos did not portray his right leg to be as far back or his front leg to be bent as far forward as they actually are, which made his legs look really short. Looking from literally any other angle, he looks perfect.
Dang it FW I want that bundle so badly but the fact that there is no discount on it all is a deal breaker. Just throw in a Castellax for free or even a few of the upgrade sets. Heck, make it 500 quid and add the Prospero boardgame and then add the upgrades.
I may still have 200 TSons left to paint but I'm a sucker for a good deal!
Probably still worth getting a normal one. It could be for the Dangles, they're meant to have weird old stuff (becasue the Emperor sent them mount out while he was making the other legions).
I am a huge fan of Alan's work and vision for the 30k and 40k universe. In his videos, you can see his passion for his work and hobby. While I never got to meet him, I have enjoyed immersing myself in the world he helped create and have made many new friends at tournaments and events that would not have existed without him.
kronk wrote: I am a huge fan of Alan's work and vision for the 30k and 40k universe. In his videos, you can see his passion for his work and hobby. While I never got to meet him, I have enjoyed immersing myself in the world he helped create and have made many new friends at tournaments and events that would not have existed without him.
But they are still really cool.
