That single link has me simultaneously wanting to back the everloving CRAP out of that kickstarter, even though I have 14 battlezones coming.... AND throw out the last 60something custom bases I did to swap to clear bases.
I don't think I've ever seen well painted minis on clear bases on nice terrain. The combination is really striking. It also cuts a fair bit of work out of the mix and draws the eye to the model, while making it blend into it's surroundings better. Feck, I may be sold, gotta see where I can get some of those for my deadzone minis maybe.......
Joyboozer wrote: Anyone getting responses to their Dreadball messages to Mantic?
I wish I had.
I'm not sure what your trying to reach Mantic about in regards to Dreadball but if it's about the latest shipment, I know my friend received his today and we live in Southern California.
Stop the plague from escaping the planet!!!! This stuff looks great and could really add in some interesting scenarios. Even things like attacking Freighters where certain players are holding their base of operations. Already getting excited to plug this stuff into the scenarios.
(And just look at the video. It's all Mantic models lol)
Hm, this one looks like it has real potential. I could probably see going in for the double sweet-spot level. Unfortunately this time of year is pretty bad for money, so I'll just keep an eye on it rather than back it right now...
Where are the clear bases from?
edits - argh, my next post wiped out my previous post...
Joyboozer wrote: Anyone getting responses to their Dreadball messages to Mantic?
I wish I had.
I'm not sure what your trying to reach Mantic about in regards to Dreadball but if it's about the latest shipment, I know my friend received his today and we live in Southern California.
Which sculptor is this, out of curiosity? I remember seeing his blog a while ago and then some people on dakka bitching at me because I couldn't find a link or remember the sculptor's name when I said the trolls weren't Remy sculpts, all I knew was "some other French freelancer who did a lot of PP minis".
Damn, I blew it. Apologies to both sculptors, I mixed and matched here.
Sylvain, in-house Mantic sculptor, did both the Goblin snipers and the Plague 3rd gens. Clavilier Grégory did both the KOW trolls and the Marauder Hulk.
To be honest, both surprise me, as I didn't care for the 3rd gens but loved the snipers, and didn't care for the trolls but loved the hulk. Which I guess is why I conflated them into one mystery French sculptor.
As for Mars Attacks minis, I actually don't like all of them - I think some of the Martian grunts in particular could be better posed. But I do think the computer sculpted Mars Attacks minis have a higher success rate than Mantic's sculpted by hand stuff. Which makes me think that Mantic, and the wider industry, will soon be seeing traditional sculptors (all but the best of them) displaced altogether by computer sculptors.
As many have pointed out they'd have to go through exactly the same validation and QC process with any new company and KS timetables probably don't allow for that.
KS timetables?
I guess Mantic still takes those things seriously, eh? Good thing they haven't had any major quality issues as a result of that...
Seriously, I would have waited three or four more months for better MaA, and I can certainly wait a year or more for hard plastic enforcers. Hell, in this day and age, it's almost polite to delay your kickstarter. It's especially polite to do so if the quality would suffer otherwise.
Gallant communicates with his backers, explains that great hard plastic sprues will require some delay, and shows his backers plenty of pictures. Goofus cares so much for being able to use the line "never missed a deadline" on his next three kickstarters that he never bothered to check what his budget-grade sculptor sent directly to the manufacturers, nor did he care what the manufacturers sent sight-unseen to his backers.
It boggles my mind that Mantic is willing to put a bullet in their future's head by marrying restic when the wargames market is experiencing the birth of the hard plastic renaissance.
I can't agree heavily enough with this.
While I like that Mantic has given folks some options for models in their various ranges by using restic, rather than waiting for the plastics, they seem to be willing to put speed-of-release ahead of price-per-model, which is very disappointing to me. Some models they have I love to death (Like the Forgefather Stormrage Veterans. Sexy, sexy beasts, the lot of them), but they're in restic and cost far more per model than I'm comfortable justifying as a purchase.
The issue is that their sculpts, while good, aren't as outstanding as they'd need to be to help the restic fly off the shelves. The slightly lower sculpt quality wouldn't be an issue if they were cheap from being in sprue plastic, but until Mantic starts knocking out Kingdom Death or Infinity grade restic sculpts, they would be vastly better off imo by slowing the release schedule down a tad so that the models they release are plastic in large part. Going from 12 restic models a year to 2 or 3 hard plastic ones is fine by me, and will probably net them more funding and a stronger fanbase than making restic for a while, then having to spend another chunk of money upgrading to hard plastic, versus doing hard plastic from the get-go.
Got a couple of questions. Not sure if anyone already has the answers or knows who to direct them to?
1. Does anyone know why there's the price difference in the acrylic counters? $20 in Kickstarter (approx £15) or £10 direct. Why's the Kickstarter batch more? More tokens maybe?
2. More of an aesthetic question. The colour schemes for Rebs. Do we know whether these are the defined skin tones for the various species, or is there variance? For example, GW Orks are all green, and Tau are all grey. Will all Yndij be reddish brown and Soraks purplish grey.
@Galgaroth, those races just got invented with the kickstarter as far as I know Seems like you could do as you want in those cases. I know I sure am! It will help alleviate my duplicate sculpts looking the same.
Can't help at all about the acrylic counters, I didn't want a set when the kickstarter ran, gonna make my own
The acrylic counters seem to have changed in spec from the KS I think the KS set was their best guess at what it would contain (the KS picture shows 45 counters the retail pack has 40 so I think the picture was for illustration only) and will probably contain all of the acrylic counters available for the $20 paid, the ultimate Dreadball set went through some changes before release as well - but that's my best guess!
I wouldn't get to hung up on colour schemes paint them how you want I know my plague won't be pinky/purple in colour
@Galgorath - I'm hoping/ assuming that both the plague counter set and the regular counter set will be provided for the $20.
Also, paint your minis however you like, there really is nothing set in stone and this is the position Mantic takes. There is a huge amount of variation just with human skin tone so alien skin tone you can do whatever you want with.
Just noticed the enraged counters are common to both packs so the only different counters in the plague pack are the 8 Mutation counters so I still think KS backers will get a combined pack but may be with not so many enraged counters.
Deadzone is on a different timetable. Plenty of people were asking to ensure it would be here for Christmas. So the base game pretty much HAD to go out early December.
As far as the individual pieces, I think even anyone worried about Christmas would rather get Wave 2 in Fall versus Spring if it meant stuff looked better.
I really hope mantic can get their plastic sorted out. I am not a fan of the stuff they are using for their martian game, I have the Gears of War board game. That plastic is weird, its like a 75 plastic 25 rubber. It has good detail but i still think its weird.
That said, their new restic mixture is far better than their old stuff, but plastic would still blow it away, because i would be able to use super glue alone to put the figures together, not a mixture of super glue and epoxy putty.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: I believe that to be the work of more than one painter, look at the bases to get an indication of who did what. For example the same painter did the Marauders, Rebs, Wrath and Nastanza.
Nope. I did the basing on some of the Rebs and so forth. I believe the models themselves were done by Golem. Definitely their sort of style.
All I painted for deadzone were the marauders (including the ripper suits).
Edit; but yes, definitely more than one painter. Pretty sure Dave at Mantic has done a few as well.
Speaking of "KS timetables", I'm almost positive that there are still Ouya backers that haven't received a console, despite it being available at retail since late July.
I didn't think the problem with Mantic was the timetable? Thought it was the other way round - that they're rushing things to meet the deadlines, with people commenting that perhaps they would have preferred a bit of a wait, but then more of a hit-rate with the final sculpts..
I wish more people liked the marauders. I know there's been a pretty big turn around and many more like them than originally, but I still feel like I'm in a minority when I say I really like them! I'll be ordering additional sets of them even.
I'm not a fan personally. I don't hate them, but I probably wouldn't use them without a bit of kitbashing with GW Orks.
On the other hand, you liking them doesn't make you a bad person or anything - minority or not. It's just personal aesthetics, after all.
Oooh Deadzone week. Better include some production models ; p Really looking forward to the big chunky limited edition book, but iirc that's wave 2. Those enforcers do look damn fine...
I swear that I'm slowly turning into Kroothawk. I'll just keep my yap shut; I'm even getting tired of myself with my incessant negativity in regards to Mantic.
I've sent them an email and asked for a refund on my pledge. If they give it to me, we can happily part company and I promise to never visit another Mantic thread or Kickstarter again with my negative posts and non-stop badgering. If they don't refund me, I'll just try to quietly bide my time until the first shipment comes then hope I'm pleasantly surprised at the quality because I'm sure we won't be seeing any production minis before they ship.
Ehh they did mars attacks week the last couple of weeks I think. They had a lot of stuff about MA leading up to the campaign. I think people who are subbed to Mantics newsletter all know about MA by now, and they're probably more concerned with managing expectations of their DZ KS backers, and drumming up sales to run out their limited Xmas run of retail deadzone.
agnosto wrote: I swear that I'm slowly turning into Kroothawk. I'll just keep my yap shut; I'm even getting tired of myself with my incessant negativity in regards to Mantic.
I've sent them an email and asked for a refund on my pledge. If they give it to me, we can happily part company and I promise to never visit another Mantic thread or Kickstarter again with my negative posts and non-stop badgering. If they don't refund me, I'll just try to quietly bide my time until the first shipment comes then hope I'm pleasantly surprised at the quality because I'm sure we won't be seeing any production minis before they ship.
Damn. I said it.
So you asked for a refund on a pledge whose miniatures you haven't really seen because you're not certain about the quality? And yet you backed a kickstarter anyway?
Half the updates the last month in Deadzone were really Mars Attacks updates anyway lol
Agnosto - you are SERIOUSLY asking for a refund when you know no less then you did at the time you pledged, and you know the money is spent -10% which they never received? I was on your side until you went over an inappropriate edge of self-centered rage. Pulling from MA would one thing, but it should be kinda clear that you are past the point of no return that was a risk we all took to get a perceived great deal.
Sining wrote: So you asked for a refund on a pledge whose miniatures you haven't really seen because you're not certain about the quality? And yet you backed a kickstarter anyway?
It's more to do with expecting it to have been shown already, combined with knowledge of Mantics habit of not releasing pics when there's problems. I'll be dropping my MA pledge if I don't see deadzone production models before the end of the MAKS too.
Sining wrote: So you asked for a refund on a pledge whose miniatures you haven't really seen because you're not certain about the quality? And yet you backed a kickstarter anyway?
It's more to do with expecting it to have been shown already, combined with knowledge of Mantics habit of not releasing pics when there's problems. I'll be dropping my MA pledge if I don't see deadzone production models before the end of the MAKS too.
And why is he entitled to get his money back and the rest of us, who are all in the same situation, should just take the loss?
Don't back the kickstarter if you don't understand the risk. That's why you are getting what you are getting at the price you are getting it at. Don't back future projects from this company or others if you don't trust them. But don't act like your money is the best of the 1.2 mil to where you should be entitled to get it back if you don't like the results well after the campaign. Next time wait for retail.
Conversely, if EVERYONE not happy with product about to ship but still no release of production photos asked for a refund, and bluntly explained why, perhaps Mantic would watch the language please ! reds8n themselves and realize they are losing support which not only hurts now, but will continue to hurt in the future.
Sining wrote: So you asked for a refund on a pledge whose miniatures you haven't really seen because you're not certain about the quality? And yet you backed a kickstarter anyway?
It's more to do with expecting it to have been shown already, combined with knowledge of Mantics habit of not releasing pics when there's problems. I'll be dropping my MA pledge if I don't see deadzone production models before the end of the MAKS too.
And why is he entitled to get his money back and the rest of us, who are all in the same situation, should just take the loss?
Don't back the kickstarter if you don't understand the risk. That's why you are getting what you are getting at the price you are getting it at. Don't back future projects from this company or others if you don't trust them. But don't act like your money is the best of the 1.2 mil to where you should be entitled to get it back if you don't like the results well after the campaign. Next time wait for retail.
Who said anything about entitled? He said he asked - it's up to Mantic to decide if they want to refund it for him. He also said he'd patiently wait and hope to be pleasantly surprised if they said they wouldn't.
CptJake wrote: Conversely, if EVERYONE not happy with product about to ship but still no release of production photos asked for a refund, and bluntly explained why, perhaps Mantic would careful with the language please. Reds8n themselves and realize they are losing support which not only hurts now, but will continue to hurt in the future.
Fair enough. But I do think they are getting the message:
Sining wrote: So you asked for a refund on a pledge whose miniatures you haven't really seen because you're not certain about the quality? And yet you backed a kickstarter anyway?
It's more to do with expecting it to have been shown already, combined with knowledge of Mantics habit of not releasing pics when there's problems. I'll be dropping my MA pledge if I don't see deadzone production models before the end of the MAKS too.
Expecting what to be shown? Wasn't there just a huge image dump previously for the first 4 factions? Granted Asterians and FF aren't shown yet but they're wave2 and no one has seen anything for them. Ergo, you still don't know anything new about them that you didn't know during the KS.
Sining wrote: Expecting what to be shown? Wasn't there just a huge image dump previously for the first 4 factions? Granted Asterians and FF aren't shown yet but they're wave2 and no one has seen anything for them. Ergo, you still don't know anything new about them that you didn't know during the KS.
Have you been following the thread? Production models are what is wanted to be shown. What we know now that we didn't know during the DZ KS is that Kings of War had big problems with some models - Basilean Men at Arms. These weren't known before they arrived because Mantic didn't show us production models of them. Then the same thing happened again with the metal dreadball minis, where they were shipped out before asking anyone if that was ok. So yes, we really do want to see production models.
I don't expect a refund (I actually expect it all to be fine), but I really want Mantic to lift their game, and I can see why others might want a refund. However I am going to cancel my MAKS pledge if I don't see that Mantic has lifted their game by showing us some good DZ production models.
I can't disagree that the MAA at pretty much crap but I don't recall Mantic showing any actual painted minis for them before shipment. However, they have shown actual painted minis before during the dreadball KS and those translated pretty well into the actual minis I have. Even if they made them metal, I'm okay with that because I prefer metal. Even if they're mixed because I honestly don't have an issue with the scaling on my figures
Sining wrote: I can't disagree that the MAA at pretty much crap but I don't recall Mantic showing any actual painted minis for them before shipment. However, they have shown actual painted minis before during the dreadball KS and those translated pretty well into the actual minis I have. Even if they made them metal, I'm okay with that because I prefer metal. Even if they're mixed because I honestly don't have an issue with the scaling on my figures
You're referring to painted masters during the KS I imagine (I didn't back Dreadball), not production models. The thing with production models is they can have flaws due to casting that the masters don't. That's where the problems with Men at Arms and Dreadball metals came to light, not to mention the bad mould lines with some restic products of mantic.
I'm glad you like metal. Many others don't, and certainly don't like getting mixed materials - especially when they paid for something else. Please have some empathy for others viewpoints.
The production models for Deadzone will all be restic, there are no known issues with the current restic miniatures, the same "mix" is being used as dreadball season 3.
No idea why they didn't take pics, but the minis are currently on a slow boat somewhere in the indian ocean, so the odds of getting pics of them before the MAKS is over are slim.
Hard plastic is the stuff that risks turning out badly moreso than restic, luckily after one retooling for the battlezone sprues and three retoolings for the connector sprues they've managed to get that sorted and you can see production sprues being assembled in the terrain video.
I own a fethload of MAA but am still fairly confident that the DZ minis will be just fine simply because they're restic which is less prone to major screwups. Will have some review pics up on Dec 1st.
scarletsquig wrote: The production models for Deadzone will all be restic, there are no known issues with the current restic miniatures, the same "mix" is being used as dreadball season 3.
Yeah I'm pretty confident with them based on that too, but I can see why others aren't and dislike dogpiling on them. Also their statements about holding back the plastics, retooling, and communicating status before shipping was great.
so the odds of getting pics of them before the MAKS is over are slim.
That is unfortunate though, Mars Attacks might have been fun ; p
Sining wrote: Well, luckily they can get a refund for the metals then.
They have to pay return shipping for them still (supposedly) which is expensive as you might imagine, not to mention a hassle.
While I won't be asking for a refund, I did cancel the extras I had ordered from the survey. All the crap with the KoW and Dreadball S3 debacles made me reconsider all the extras I wanted from the survey so I never paid for the items by the deadline. Emailed Mantic about it after the whole "we totally never meant to imply Enforcers would be hard plastic, honest!" thing last week and dropped down to the basic Strike Zone I had pledged for. They responded the next day and seemed pretty cool about it and didn't give me any problems or attitude, so I think their PR is pretty good, it's just their production that I'm leery about.
I had originally planned to get the 2 Enforcers Boosters and 4 of the Peacekeeper units, but my faith in Mantic has dropped considerably since June. I'd still like to get that stuff, and still might for wave 2 or 3, but there's no way I'm giving Mantic another hundred bucks before I have the original stuff in hand. Still mostly happy with the Deadzone rules and models we've seen, just not with how they've been handling it. They really need to get their act sorted out
For those of you just tuning inm. I backed Deadzone after backing Kings of War but before realizing how poorly Mantic operates and what a shoddy product they produce. My decisions to back the kickstarters were based upon the good quality undead plastics I had purchased from them and a willingness to support an up and coming company. What I didn't realize at the time is that they're long on ideas and short on execution. Go back through this thread and you'll see my concerns but they center upon poor communication due to an unwillingness to display a shoddy product before they pawn it off on the unwitting consumer. Instead, they'll continue to show resin masters which of course don't suffer from manufacturer defects. The patterns of the KoW kickstarter seem to be continuing here regardless of the platitudes we were fed last last week and I find myself continuing to feel negative regarding this whole thing except for the scenery which actually looks great.
Of course my decision to ask for a refund is selfish, every monetary decision should be. If they decline my request, I'll honor my end of things and simply take my custom elsewhere in the future (which I plan to do anyway, at least until they rediscover plastic).
overtyrant wrote: Edit: never mind there is no point trying to speak reason in this thread with all the anti Mantic going on.
I dunno, a lot of people are pretty rightfully upset at the direction Mantic has been going. Especially people that were fans and supporters but feel burned. I see it less as anti-mantic and more as utter disapointment based on Mantics current trends and what they promised vs what we're now seeing as final product . Asking for a KS refund is a bit much, I agree, that's kind of the gamble you sign on for with a KS, but at the same time Mantic has been making some large promises and chain running kickstarters, and the reaction to the rushed product is starting to catch up to them. It's a reaction to actual actions taken by Mantic and using that new information to projected into the near future what seems to be going on.
I'm still very hopeful for Deadzone. I plan to play the heck out of it when my KS arrives, and I plan to force it on any and all of my friend's that I can. But at the same time I'm seeing the final product from KoW and dreadball and the wishy-washyness of the deadzone updates and it makes me wary. Before i was content to simply blindingly trust that Mantic will deliver as promised, now there is doubt. Nothing wrong with a little caution at this point.
scarletsquig wrote: The production models for Deadzone will all be restic, there are no known issues with the current restic miniatures, the same "mix" is being used as dreadball season 3.
No idea why they didn't take pics, but the minis are currently on a slow boat somewhere in the indian ocean, so the odds of getting pics of them before the MAKS is over are slim.
They probably need to learn how to operate a camera in that case. Unfortunately a number of their backers and supports are losing trust and faith in them. While I want to like Mantic, I certainly don't trust them anymore. I'll need to go through this box of DB crap I got last week sometime. Maybe on the weekend. And yes, there's a few metal figures in there. In fact, one of the bags split open, spreading them all over the interior of the box...
overtyrant wrote: Edit: never mind there is no point trying to speak reason in this thread with all the anti Mantic going on.
Well, to surprise you, even I can admit that this looks good:
Mantic wouldn't have so much problems, if design (by McVey), presentation, and end product were always on this level, esp. when combined with fitting communication and reliability.
My experience of miniatures can be broadly attributed to a lot of GW stuff from the mid-90s to mid 2000s, followed by independent local manufacturers (e.g. Hasslefree, Heresy) and then Kickstarters where the value for the money was just far too good to ignore.
Miniatures to me, have therefore been:
- Slightly shonky expensive metal casts for GW, improving to really good ones, and increasingly good rank and file plastic kits. Expense and lowered interest eventually led to me dropping out.
- Fairly expensive individual metal models from the locals, which were a lot of fun to paint, but expense stopped me indulging too far.
- A few resin Studio McVey pieces I got cheap from the demise of Maelstrom, which were lovely but an utter pain to put together and I'm constantly worrying about breaking.
And then the Kickstarter stuff - Bones, Sedition Wars, Relic Knights and Mantic's stuff. ALL of these have been problematic. All of them. They are clearly being done on a punishing schedule where profit margins are razor thin, and also experimenting with new plastics and production methods all the time, and the results are never superb.
But I don't think that Mantic has done any worse than what I've seen from other Kickstarters, and am probably the happiest with them out of everything I've received so far. Maybe I'm comparing some of the shonky sculpts with those from the 90s, maybe I'm still delighted over incredibly cheap miniatures made from a strong plastic, maybe I'm just easy to please. But I'm just not seeing what standard Mantic is being held against here, where they're failing so badly.
But I don't think that Mantic has done any worse than what I've seen from other Kickstarters, and am probably the happiest with them out of everything I've received so far. Maybe I'm comparing some of the shonky sculpts with those from the 90s, maybe I'm still delighted over incredibly cheap miniatures made from a strong plastic, maybe I'm just easy to please. But I'm just not seeing what standard Mantic is being held against here, where they're failing so badly.
Perhaps it is because we, as customers/potential customers have already bought product we consider inferior in some cases, and Mantic is currently not showing production figures for a game that starts shipping soon (that several of us have paid quite a bit into) and Mantic is currently asking us to trust them and buy into yet another game (Mars Attacks). All this in a market place booming with choices and competition.
But I don't think that Mantic has done any worse than what I've seen from other Kickstarters, and am probably the happiest with them out of everything I've received so far. Maybe I'm comparing some of the shonky sculpts with those from the 90s, maybe I'm still delighted over incredibly cheap miniatures made from a strong plastic, maybe I'm just easy to please. But I'm just not seeing what standard Mantic is being held against here, where they're failing so badly.
Perhaps it is because we, as customers/potential customers have already bought product we consider inferior in some cases, and Mantic is currently not showing production figures for a game that starts shipping soon (that several of us have paid quite a bit into) and Mantic is currently asking us to trust them and buy into yet another game (Mars Attacks). All this in a market place booming with choices and competition.
I come at this from the perspective on a retail customer. I have never, and will never, back any kickstarter from anyone, I prefer to hand over money to my local shop to keep them going, but thats purely a personal thing. I have to say I have nothing but praise for mantic, I bought Dreadball, which I really like, I've bought some undead minis which again are very good indeed, and I bought the boardgame , dwarfs kings hold, which I also thought was good.
I must say I'm quite shocked when I read this thread at the negativity after such an experience,however coming from the perspective of the other side of table as a business owner myself, knowing the aggravation headache and stress that can come with putting a product to market I'm not sure kickstarter is really suitable medium for the projects if people do not really understand that backing an in dev project is a gamble that you may not be happy with the outcome. Not just mantic, but I think kickstarter in general should make this much clearer, when I expand I either use capital I have or finance from the bank, the bank will asses the risk before offering me the money obviously, and in the case of kickstarter it is the backers who are in essence 'the bank' . I'm not sure due diligence is entirely possible before money changes hands myself with the limited information one gets from a kickstarter page.
I'm looking forward to deadzone, I was kind of hoping my shop will have them for christmas but that looks unlikely, but I do like the minis and I'm hoping the ruleset matches, but I think its a shame so many have had negative experiences with the mantic stuff, when from the retail side I genuinely cannot fault them. Perhaps they should look to different ways of funding in the future, the loss of goodwill is probably far more costly than the interest on finance.
Bioptic wrote: To offer a slightly different perspective:
My experience of miniatures can be broadly attributed to a lot of GW stuff from the mid-90s to mid 2000s, followed by independent local manufacturers (e.g. Hasslefree, Heresy) and then Kickstarters where the value for the money was just far too good to ignore.
Miniatures to me, have therefore been:
- Slightly shonky expensive metal casts for GW, improving to really good ones, and increasingly good rank and file plastic kits. Expense and lowered interest eventually led to me dropping out.
- Fairly expensive individual metal models from the locals, which were a lot of fun to paint, but expense stopped me indulging too far.
- A few resin Studio McVey pieces I got cheap from the demise of Maelstrom, which were lovely but an utter pain to put together and I'm constantly worrying about breaking.
And then the Kickstarter stuff - Bones, Sedition Wars, Relic Knights and Mantic's stuff. ALL of these have been problematic. All of them. They are clearly being done on a punishing schedule where profit margins are razor thin, and also experimenting with new plastics and production methods all the time, and the results are never superb.
But I don't think that Mantic has done any worse than what I've seen from other Kickstarters, and am probably the happiest with them out of everything I've received so far. Maybe I'm comparing some of the shonky sculpts with those from the 90s, maybe I'm still delighted over incredibly cheap miniatures made from a strong plastic, maybe I'm just easy to please. But I'm just not seeing what standard Mantic is being held against here, where they're failing so badly.
There are issues and then there are real issues. Like you, I've been in the wargaming hobby since the mid-90s but as technology and techniques have changed so have my expectations as far as quality is concerned. My first exposure to Mantic was a small purchase of their Undead plastic range when I decided to build a fantasy undead army and I was impressed; so much so that I bought into the kickstarter when they launched KoW. Let's just say that apparently their early plastics seem to be the exception to the quality rule at Mantic HQ now that they've discovered the wonderful world of churn and burn kickstarter projects. They've changed from a company that seemed focused on providing a good product for a good value to one that intends to move from one kickstarter to the next. In this new model, they have to meet deadlines or it throws off the scheduling of the next kickstarter and we just can't have that.
Other than the two Mantic kickstarters, I've backed one other miniature kickstarter, Dreamforge Games. Though marred by delays, the founder and one man operator, Mark, has been with backers every step of the way throughout the process and his primary goal from day one has been delivering a quality product. He's done that in spades and in plastic, not restic. In my opinion Dreamforge should be the poster child for how a miniature kickstarter is run. Pick up a box of eisenkern infantry or a leviathan and prepare to be impressed (the darn thing uses screws to be assembled for goodness sake!).
From their own reports, Mantic people went over, visited 'wherever' and hot a boxed set production deadzone, sealed. SUPPOSEDLY while there they inspected the production contents and have seen them.
They then took a picture of this sealed box on the plane-ride back to mantic HQ.
They have a sealed box of what backers are going to get in the mail. People want UNBOXING photos. Instead, they give everyone a photo montage of professional painted and photo cleaned up box-art production masters.
So has mantic not opened the box they have? did they open it and the models were not good or look poor in comparison to the masters? Mantic has to have the ability to take professional photos in HQ, the camera and lightbox must be within physical proximity to the box they have. Why can they not simply open the box, and take photos, and even take unpainted photos next to their master painted counterpart?
The track record has been, when they hide models from backers and the first time we see them is when they arrive in backers hands, it is because the models are bad in either casting or sculpting or have serious production flaws. So people are scared while the painted masters are cool, those enforcers will have mold lines across their face, sprue tares which remove their whole fist and other issues.
Mantic could easily just show the product they physically have, do a short unboxing review of their own product, show the actual models as they turned out and make everyone happy. It is 20 minutes of work, for so much reward. 20 minutes of work could save them dozens of MA backers and thousands of dollars.
This is why this is mindboggling. Don't make excuses for it as it makes you unreasonable. There is no rational excuse why they can't take pictures of models they physically have. When the company is acting grossly unreasonable, they can expect their backers to act the same.
I think it was in the 116 update that Mantic wrote in the comment section; when the Finance Manager came back from China he brought the box but the miniatures "weren't ready yet." We were supposed to get an update the following week but apparently everyone forgot they weren't going to be in the office that week as they all ran off to Germany or parts unknown where the internet apparently doesn't exist. Then last week we get an update with the scenery (which was apparently all that was in the box).
Either in the comments section or the 117 update they said that production miniatures were being flown over but they also said that the majority of production was already on a boat.
Now think on that. Just a couple of weeks earlier we were told that the miniatures weren't ready yet; so much so that all the Finance Manager could bring back was a box with some scenery. I have some experience with international shipping and I've never heard of something being produced in volume, packaged, through customs, loaded on a ship and en route so quickly before. Either something's rotten in the state of Denmark or they need to put their logistics person in charge of the entire company.
Yeah, the folks at Mantic should probably take a communications class or hire someone with a background in corporate communications to manage the kickstarter updates so that we don't get spotty information, misinformation and just plain bad information.
If a substantial number of your backers for Mars Attacks want to see unboxing photos of deadzone, then you figure out how to have your factory overnight a box to HQ and take photos. You make it happen.
I can't believe a production sample was not in the hands of mantic the second it came out of the mold.
Many of us can't suspend disbelief on this whole 'no time to photo the greens before the go to china' and 'no time to take photos of the production casts before they hit retail.' It may be 'legitimate' but it doesn't make sense and confuses people. And on a business model which relies on faith and consistent track records, that is not a good thing.
James should probably pay this thread another visit. His last visit produced a calm that lasted for at LEAST a whole page.
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Deadzone Update 117 wrote:
we are flying in some of the production pieces and will get images out as soon as we receive them
lagoon83 wrote: As soon as we've got the production miniatures in-house, we'll post a picture of them. As far as I'm aware they're not here yet. Unless I'm wrong! Which I might well be. I'll check it in the morning, most people have gone home now.
To be fair, both of these were posted last week. So instead of a couple pages saying "Mantic is dumb I want my moneyz back!!" has anyone actually, y'know, emailed James or anyone, and asked about it?
I do feel bad for the people who have supported Mantic and haven't gotten what they expected to get. It definitely sucks, and I wish Mantic was supplying pictures of ready-to-go models. If the mounted elves had ready to go pictures, people would have bought them by the dozens. A lot have said they were great, but it was a blind product. I'm actually more bummed by the sisters than the MaAs at this point-I can fix the MaAs (again, I shouldn't have to, but it is doable). The sisters...I'll get to them last. The heads just don't seem quite right on the bodies. That said, I've had no issues with ANY Dreadball stuff, and I'm salivating waiting for DZ stuff. I only pledged a dollar for MA, so I can get Blaine and the Knight for my Basilean army. I went in on Loka at the last minute, deciding I wanted a cool fantasy chess set. Didn't get any extras for that game at all, just the basics. We'll see how it all turns out. I love Mantic's CS team (Stew and Tim do an awesome job), their rules are top notch, and their ogres blow GW's out of the water. I'm not a fan of their aversion to cameras. All their decisions involving cameras at this point hurts them, but all decisions not involving cameras have been great.
judgedoug wrote: James should probably pay this thread another visit. His last visit produced a calm that lasted for at LEAST a whole page.
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Deadzone Update 117 wrote:
we are flying in some of the production pieces and will get images out as soon as we receive them
lagoon83 wrote: As soon as we've got the production miniatures in-house, we'll post a picture of them. As far as I'm aware they're not here yet. Unless I'm wrong! Which I might well be. I'll check it in the morning, most people have gone home now.
To be fair, both of these were posted last week. So instead of a couple pages saying "Mantic is dumb I want my moneyz back!!" has anyone actually, y'know, emailed James or anyone, and asked about it?
So, clearly Mantic promised pictures. We can agree on that point. Clearly they have failed to deliver on that promise up to now. We should be able to agree on that. So, should it be the customer's responsibility to beg and pester for something that was promised? Or could part of the recent drop in the Mars Attacks project be a way customers are expressing displeasure?
Still happily awaiting my terrain. I'll get a view of all of the actual models from another local buddy who kept his Strike pledge. Our local area has already started a Deadzone group because the rules look pretty fun. Time will tell but I'm not gonna get any more up in arms than that. The models will be here in less than 60 days so why sweat it at this point.
So, clearly Mantic promised pictures. We can agree on that point. Clearly they have failed to deliver on that promise up to now. We should be able to agree on that. So, should it be the customer's responsibility to beg and pester for something that was promised? Or could part of the recent drop in the Mars Attacks project be a way customers are expressing displeasure?
So you know that the production minis being flown in have actually arrived, and Mantic is specifically "failing to deliver on that promise"? Well, if you have been to Mantic HQ and seen the box of production minis they've stashed away, why didn't you say something?
Or, if you don't actually know, and you're just assuming... well, maybe it's still en route. Or maybe they just got it.
I don't know about Mars Attacks, I had no interest in backing it, really. (other than terrain)
Man, I'm glad my buddies are looking forward to my birthday arriving, instead of screaming at me that I have failed to deliver on the promise of my birthday up to now. This thread is insane.
Honestly, I've just moved on. No big deal, and plenty of other companies who are willing to show their stuff. Mantic will only notice when their campaigns start to do more poorly, and if people have the money to keep throwing cash at their campaigns with models sight-unseen, more power to them! I don't, however, and I have no interest in discussing it further until they have something to show. I really wish this thread would just go down the front page until there's something real to report, because Mantic isn't worth talking about in the interim imo.
/back to looking at offerings from other companies who will actually show their models.
So, clearly Mantic promised pictures. We can agree on that point. Clearly they have failed to deliver on that promise up to now. We should be able to agree on that. So, should it be the customer's responsibility to beg and pester for something that was promised? Or could part of the recent drop in the Mars Attacks project be a way customers are expressing displeasure?
So you know that the production minis being flown in have actually arrived, and Mantic is specifically "failing to deliver on that promise"? Well, if you have been to Mantic HQ and seen the box of production minis they've stashed away, why didn't you say something?
Or, if you don't actually know, and you're just assuming... well, maybe it's still en route. Or maybe they just got it.
I don't know about Mars Attacks, I had no interest in backing it, really. (other than terrain)
Man, I'm glad my buddies are looking forward to my birthday arriving, instead of screaming at me that I have failed to deliver on the promise of my birthday up to now. This thread is insane.
What I know (not assume) is that if they could approve the production minis and yet not get pictures, they failed at some level. If they could not get a set delivered within a week, they have failed. Those are not assumptions. They are evidence of failures at some level. Perhaps it was failing to correctly prioritize, perhaps it was failure to plan, perhaps it was failure promise only what you could deliver. Frankly I don't don't care which it was. They have indeed failed to deliver on the promise. Anything short of delivering pictures is a failure, the reasons for that failure may be unknown. The failure to deliver is not unknown.
To be fair, both of these were posted last week. So instead of a couple pages saying "Mantic is dumb I want my moneyz back!!" has anyone actually, y'know, emailed James or anyone, and asked about it?
I do so enjoy being characterized as so unintelligent as your comment portrays me to be since I'm the only person to have made the overt request for a refund at this time. Thank you.
And yes, if you actually bother to read the rest of the thread that you have contributed to and to the kickstarter as well, you would see that multiple posts have been made requesting production shots. Certainly, we have been promised pictures "as soon as we have them" but the ship appears to be moving faster than the airplane carrying the samples. This and the unexplained inconsistencies in Mantic staff visiting, the manufacturer and returning relatively empty-handed with the miraculous completion of a manufacturing run of restic models that were not read whence was present a mere two weeks prior. This and the process to fill an order for shipment by, well ship would have taken sufficient time for at least a few models to have reached mantic well in advance of the ship actually having left port; that is unless of course they are truly as incompetent as to have not asked the manufacturer for production models off of the initial runs OR they are up to their old tricks. Yes, I should wear a tinfoil hat, I'm being completely unreasonable.
I have communicated with Mantic staff recently and was assured that the leopard had changed its spots but inconsistencies make me wary.
Other than the two Mantic kickstarters, I've backed one other miniature kickstarter, Dreamforge Games. Though marred by delays, the founder and one man operator, Mark, has been with backers every step of the way throughout the process and his primary goal from day one has been delivering a quality product. He's done that in spades and in plastic, not restic. In my opinion Dreamforge should be the poster child for how a miniature kickstarter is run. Pick up a box of eisenkern infantry or a leviathan and prepare to be impressed (the darn thing uses screws to be assembled for goodness sake!).
I've backed Dreamforge as well but only wave 3 stuff. Going to be honest here, it's a year later and I still have no idea of when my stuff will be produced or shipped or even more renders of the assault troopers/heavy weapons. As it is, it's not going out this year, probably won't be out in Q1 of 2014 either because if it should have been produced before Chinese new year, there should have been news by now. Not a great feeling. You may like it because maybe you got something in wave 1 or 2 and the delay's not as great for you. But for someone who's only BACKED wave 3, this sucks
I've backed Dreamforge as well but only wave 3 stuff. Going to be honest here, it's a year later and I still have no idea of when my stuff will be produced or shipped or even more renders of the assault troopers/heavy weapons. As it is, it's not going out this year, probably won't be out in Q1 of 2014 either because if it should have been produced before Chinese new year, there should have been news by now. Not a great feeling. You may like it because maybe you got something in wave 1 or 2 and the delay's not as great for you. But for someone who's only BACKED wave 3, this sucks
I can certainly see you having an issue there. I just had items in waves 1 and 2. If you already haven't done so, I recommend that you communicate with Mark; I've found him to be very responsive.
nkelsch wrote: If a substantial number of your backers for Mars Attacks want to see unboxing photos of deadzone, then you figure out how to have your factory overnight a box to HQ and take photos. You make it happen.
I can't believe a production sample was not in the hands of mantic the second it came out of the mold.
Many of us can't suspend disbelief on this whole 'no time to photo the greens before the go to china' and 'no time to take photos of the production casts before they hit retail.' It may be 'legitimate' but it doesn't make sense and confuses people. And on a business model which relies on faith and consistent track records, that is not a good thing.
I ordered some mecha kit parts from China. Paid for them last... Thursday night I think it was - so effectively Friday. Paid all of $16 for DHL. They've already left the PRC and are moving through HK. I expect they'll be here by the end of the week.
I've backed Dreamforge as well but only wave 3 stuff. Going to be honest here, it's a year later and I still have no idea of when my stuff will be produced or shipped or even more renders of the assault troopers/heavy weapons. As it is, it's not going out this year, probably won't be out in Q1 of 2014 either because if it should have been produced before Chinese new year, there should have been news by now. Not a great feeling. You may like it because maybe you got something in wave 1 or 2 and the delay's not as great for you. But for someone who's only BACKED wave 3, this sucks
This is a fair point. While Mark/DFG has done very well on the quality of the finished product and ongoing communication, the delays are rather over the top at this stage, and I find no fault in any backers who have grown disheartened with that campaign at this point.
Right guys, production miniatures. Sorry to let the conspiracies build up again - as I'm sure you can imagine I've been crazy busy!
These components are just straight out of the bag, no work done.
These miniatures have been assembled, with mould lines removed, and the five on the left have been primed with grey spray to matt them down and show the detail better. The ones on the right are bare plastic, for comparison purposes.
Glorious first gen! The Marauder looks amazing... the enforcer captain... so good. The new material looks as good as it did in the pics of the season 3 dreadball stuff, seems to be really crisp detail. All reservations gone now.
Joyboozer wrote: So all Deadzone plastics will be cast of this newer mix with none being done in the older material?
All deadzone "restics" will be cast with this new restic formula - the bulk of the models. The "Plastics" such as the terrain and some of the kits coming in wave 2 will be "Hard Plastic".
James, no complaints here and I've been a very vocal naysayer. Thank you for sharing the pictures of the production miniatures. If all of the models are the same quality, I'll be extremely satisfied and can put the whole KoW experience behind me. The final proof will be in next month's "pudding" but I feel very much more comfortable now having seen some of the product before it lands on my doorstep.
That's six of our 2'x2' Deadzone mats, modelled by the lovely Andrew. The joy of them is that due to their non-slip construction, they won't shift around during gameplay, and you don't need to use any clips or anything.
agnosto wrote:James, no complaints here and I've been a very vocal naysayer. Thank you for sharing the pictures of the production miniatures. If all of the models are the same quality, I'll be extremely satisfied and can put the whole KoW experience behind me. The final proof will be in next month's "pudding" but I feel very much more comfortable now having seen some of the product before it lands on my doorstep.
Thanks again.
I'm afraid that due to health and safety concerns, we can't include pudding in orders. Sad times.
Thanks James, this thread was starting to give me a migraine. Or at least a bigger one than usual.
Btw guys there are reasonably sci-fi ish looking truck minis in the Mars Attacks Ks for $12.50 / £7.77 (once the stacked discount and bundles are added up). And they're bigger than GW Rhinos by 25mm.
I'll be using some for general deadzone scatter terrain as civilian vehicles.
Well I like those, the big Plague model is the thing that attracted me to this game and it looks great.
I'm almost tempted to buy the box direct from mantic in this pre release thingy, but I would prefer to give my local shop the business if possible, so I guess I'll be getting it next year.
It was only one night but they keep calling me, mind telling them to tone it down?
I prefer not to get involved.
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NoggintheNog wrote: Well I like those, the big Plague model is the thing that attracted me to this game and it looks great.
I'm almost tempted to buy the box direct from mantic in this pre release thingy, but I would prefer to give my local shop the business if possible, so I guess I'll be getting it next year.
Good news! The pre-release is through stores as well as online. Contact your retailer - they should be ordering now!
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Joyboozer wrote: So all Deadzone plastics will be cast of this newer mix with none being done in the older material?
All deadzone "restics" will be cast with this new restic formula - the bulk of the models. The "Plastics" such as the terrain and some of the kits coming in wave 2 will be "Hard Plastic".
Does that include the enforcers which will be in the first shipment? Or will those be sourced from existing stock of the old material?
Joyboozer wrote: So all Deadzone plastics will be cast of this newer mix with none being done in the older material?
All deadzone "restics" will be cast with this new restic formula - the bulk of the models. The "Plastics" such as the terrain and some of the kits coming in wave 2 will be "Hard Plastic".
Does that include the enforcers which will be in the first shipment? Or will those be sourced from existing stock of the old material?
Yep, we got a load of them made up for Deadzone, so they'll be the same as the rest of the Deadzone stuff.
Riquende wrote:That had better not be my box you've ransacked for those photos...
scarletsquig wrote: @James: Quick question if it's known - Will the $20 acrylic counter pack in KS pledges include both the regular counters and the plague counters?
I know not! I shall undergo a quest and return laden with knowledge.
Good news! The pre-release is through stores as well as online. Contact your retailer - they should be ordering now!
Ahh, thank you James, its nothing personal against Mantic, but my local place organises Dreadball leagues and provides a place to play for quite a few people and I try and make sure they can keep doing that wherever possible.
NoggintheNog wrote: Ahh, thank you James, its nothing personal against Mantic, but my local place organises Dreadball leagues and provides a place to play for quite a few people and I try and make sure they can keep doing that wherever possible.
I shall be asking about orders at the weekend.
Never feel you need to make excuses for buying from your FLGS - yes, we might make a tiny bit more when it comes through us direct but it's more important to sustain the community, and that's what gaming stores do. They're the valiant front-line crusaders keeping the hobby alive! That's why we do whatever we can to support them
So Mantic heard the complaints, since a rep over to Dakka and got us production pictures of the models from dead zone. Looks good to me! I'm reasonably sure they're not evil. Ha ha. I feel secure in the fact that I have backed them since that first plastic ghoul model they sent with the magazine. They've had a few hiccups along the way, it's true, but I think they're where they belong now.
Thanks for the pictures James! And thanks to our resident Squiglett O'Hare for keeping this thread and title up to date.
I do look forward to getting my DeadZone box, as enormous as it'll be. In regards to DreadBall, if I assume I was one of the last boxes out the door, I shouldn't start worrying until next week and nothing has shown, right?
Also, while it's great for the Dakka-ites (and we ARE the most important forum in the universe, just ask anyone here! ), could you convince Ronnie to put together a formal update to the backers with those pictures and/or maybe more? I'm sure the worry about "master versus production" is cropping up elsewhere and those poor benighted souls might not visit the shining beacon of reason and civil discourse that is Dakka.
Oh dear! It seems my tongue has gone straight through my cheek! Welp, off to the doctor, I'll just get me coat...
Krinsath wrote: Thanks for the pictures James! And thanks to our resident Squiglett O'Hare for keeping this thread and title up to date.
I do look forward to getting my DeadZone box, as enormous as it'll be. In regards to DreadBall, if I assume I was one of the last boxes out the door, I shouldn't start worrying until next week and nothing has shown, right?
Hmm... was it a Kickstarter order, or a pre-order? In any case they've all left us now. Drop me an email (james.hewitt@manticgames.com) and I'll do some detective work if you like.
Also, while it's great for the Dakka-ites (and we ARE the most important forum in the universe, just ask anyone here! ), could you convince Ronnie to put together a formal update to the backers with those pictures and/or maybe more? I'm sure the worry about "master versus production" is cropping up elsewhere and those poor benighted souls might not visit the shining beacon of reason and civil discourse that is Dakka.
Oh dear! It seems my tongue has gone straight through my cheek! Welp, off to the doctor, I'll just get me coat...
We've already been discussing it in the comments on Deadzone - and we're getting a proper update ready, of which these pictures will be a part. We don't like to spam people with too many updates for closed campaigns
Awesome, James! Those production casts look excellent.
Can you please pass it on up the chain of command that we do like seeing what we're getting? Production pics for backers should be at the top of things for Mantic.
Now I'm just wondering what the next bit of paranoia will manifest as.
Ooh while we've got you, James, do you know when the DZ rulebook PDF is coming? Methinks it was said this week, so I guess I can just be patient.
Oh for those curious Stewart I think it was got back to me thru kickstarter and said the game would have paper and rubber mat to my question of how man rubber mats in strike team. The term game kind of confused me, i assume he meant strike when he said game. So that tentatively solves that riddle.
lagoon83 wrote: Right guys, production miniatures. Sorry to let the conspiracies build up again - as I'm sure you can imagine I've been crazy busy!
These components are just straight out of the bag, no work done.
These miniatures have been assembled, with mould lines removed, and the five on the left have been primed with grey spray to matt them down and show the detail better. The ones on the right are bare plastic, for comparison purposes.
Thoughts?
Well done! Most of us are reasonable folks when you come through like this . Puts an end to the controversy, and it's just that easy!
Hulksmash wrote:The dice, we haven't seen the dice. They are probably made from baby seal bones.....
...am I to assume that's not what you wanted them to be made of? Hmm. Be right back...
GrimDork wrote:Ooh while we've got you, James, do you know when the DZ rulebook PDF is coming? Methinks it was said this week, so I guess I can just be patient.
This week!
Vermonter wrote:Damn, that rebel model is fantastic! Wait - is that the alternate rebs leader resin?
Sadly, due to shipping restrictions, we also can't include this model in orders. Sorry guys.
Arrgh . . can feel self mutating, body warping, becoming slavering Mantic fan . . . must resist . . .
Ok, so for the Warpath kickstarter I want computer sculpted Z'zor at the same level of execution as the Mars Attacks bug, a Veer-myn force from the get-go, Deadzone rules for every unit, and 24/7 monitoring of the Kickstarter comments section by the same person chained to a desk with no breaks. And a cheese danish.
In all seriousness, the production photos are fantastic. You guys at Mantic must be thrilled. You've had successes before, but Deadzone always felt like a watershed moment. Congratulations all around.
Ok, I did my bit. If THAT post doesn't bring a naysayer out of the woodwork, I give up.
Vermonter wrote: Arrgh . . can feel self mutating, body warping, becoming slavering Mantic fan . . . must resist . . .
I recommend a cup of tea and a nice sit down.
Ok, so for the Warpath kickstarter I want computer sculpted Z'zor at the same level of execution as the Mars Attacks bug, a Veer-myn force from the get-go, Deadzone rules for every unit, and 24/7 monitoring of the Kickstarter comments section by the same person chained to a desk with no breaks. And a cheese danish.
I was with you 100% until the last part. You went too far, Vermonter. Deal's off!
In all seriousness, the production photos are fantastic. You guys at Mantic must be thrilled. You've had successes before, but Deadzone always felt like a watershed moment. Congratulations all around.
Yeah, we're pretty excited!
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Hulksmash wrote: No one is taking my new outrage point seriously
No one cares about the baby seals!
I'll have you know we care an awful lot about them! If they're not looked after properly, their bones become all brittle and are no good for dice production. Nightmare.
Krinsath wrote: In regards to DreadBall, if I assume I was one of the last boxes out the door, I shouldn't start worrying until next week and nothing has shown, right?
Hmm... was it a Kickstarter order, or a pre-order? In any case they've all left us now. Drop me an email (james.hewitt@manticgames.com) and I'll do some detective work if you like.
Thanks for the offer! It was a Kickstarter order, but if I don't get anything by Friday I'll drop you a note just to make sure I was at the tail end; even with as long as it's felt, I'm not sure we're out of the fairly normal "Royal Mail/USPS slowness" window yet.
Random thought, the courier shipments for DeadZone come with tracking information, right? If so, the impatient child in me will have that screen to obsess over come early December.
And yep, courier shipping means tracking numbers! We won't send them out to people unless they ask (because oh god, can you imagine the logistics of that?) but drop us a line once the first transport is away and we'll find yours
Hulksmash wrote: No one is taking my new outrage point seriously
No one cares about the baby seals!
I care that their bones make fantastic dice.
Yeah, they're great. You can really hear the horror and tragedy as they roll.
Also in an even more off-topic note, from looking at SS's signature, I really hope Mantic gets a sign printed up for the workplace: "X days without molesting a fish"
And that is all it took, thank you James. A quick question, the owner of my FLGS is going to the Open Day, will he be able to pick up additional Deadzone stock there?
So would you guys at mantic consider the issue of running the machines at excessive speeds 'addressed'? Are you guys seeing a consistent quality in mold lines and sprue tear removal?
Was there basically some QC done to make sure a sample of casts didn't suffer from the issues before with the excessive mold lines and sprue vents leaving divots from being demolded?
lagoon83 wrote: Right guys, production miniatures. Sorry to let the conspiracies build up again - as I'm sure you can imagine I've been crazy busy!
These components are just straight out of the bag, no work done.
These miniatures have been assembled, with mould lines removed, and the five on the left have been primed with grey spray to matt them down and show the detail better. The ones on the right are bare plastic, for comparison purposes.
Thoughts?
Gotta say, these are looking awesome! I had heard some bad things about the casting quality at Mantic (no offense). I'm glad I backed Deadzone now though. Nice one Mantic! I assume it's just a case of prepping the KS orders for dispatch now?
I may have to use the big plague guy as a DE Aberration beastie though..
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: And that is all it took, thank you James. A quick question, the owner of my FLGS is going to the Open Day, will he be able to pick up additional Deadzone stock there?
Blimey, there's a question. Best bet is to tell him to contact us directly and we'll see what we can sort out!
Cheers James, I believe he is picking up his retail backer pledge. That said I have "accidentally" just placed a pre-order with Mantic for the Pre-Release Mega deal for £100. You can never have too many miniatures, right?
nkelsch wrote:So would you guys at mantic consider the issue of running the machines at excessive speeds 'addressed'? Are you guys seeing a consistent quality in mold lines and sprue tear removal?
Was there basically some QC done to make sure a sample of casts didn't suffer from the issues before with the excessive mold lines and sprue vents leaving divots from being demolded?
I'm going to be entirely honest and admit that a lot of what you just said went right over my head. I didn't know there were issues with speeds, sprue tear removal, divots... That might be more Stewart's field of expertise, and he's out of the office today. However, the new models are all looking very shiny indeed, and are missing the quality issues that have been a problem before. Does that answer your question? I hope it does!
angelofvengeance wrote:Gotta say, these are looking awesome! I had heard some bad things about the casting quality at Mantic (no offense). I'm glad I backed Deadzone now though. Nice one Mantic! I assume it's just a case of prepping the KS orders for dispatch now?
I may have to use the big plague guy as a DE Aberration beastie though..
No offence taken! It's a case of waiting for the final components to arrive (the boxes are produced across a number of manufacturers worldwide), assembling the product and getting the warehouse organised... then The Shippening begins. We're all closing the office for a week to go and help out. It may be a bit busy!
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Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Cheers James, I believe he is picking up his retail backer pledge. That said I have "accidentally" just placed a pre-order with Mantic for the Pre-Release Mega deal for £100. You can never have too many miniatures, right?
nkelsch wrote:So would you guys at mantic consider the issue of running the machines at excessive speeds 'addressed'? Are you guys seeing a consistent quality in mold lines and sprue tear removal?
Was there basically some QC done to make sure a sample of casts didn't suffer from the issues before with the excessive mold lines and sprue vents leaving divots from being demolded?
I'm going to be entirely honest and admit that a lot of what you just said went right over my head. I didn't know there were issues with speeds, sprue tear removal, divots... That might be more Stewart's field of expertise, and he's out of the office today. However, the new models are all looking very shiny indeed, and are missing the quality issues that have been a problem before. Does that answer your question? I hope it does!
There's been problems in the past of the sprues being torn off the restic models (at the factory) and actually damaging the model.
Secondary question - for those of us, such as myself, who ordered a bunch of Enforcers including several individual Enforcer models, how will that get rectified?
You may be fine in the end, Mathieu- you've got opposite strategies there. Neither communicates particularly well, but one delivers on-time with questionable quality, and one is undoubtedly going to be VERY late with hopefully excellent quality.
Apples and oranges, really! Or pick your poison
That said, those few pics do look good... still waiting to see if my Dreadball minis do or not.
angelofvengeance wrote:Gotta say, these are looking awesome! I had heard some bad things about the casting quality at Mantic (no offense). I'm glad I backed Deadzone now though. Nice one Mantic! I assume it's just a case of prepping the KS orders for dispatch now?
I may have to use the big plague guy as a DE Aberration beastie though..
No offence taken! It's a case of waiting for the final components to arrive (the boxes are produced across a number of manufacturers worldwide), assembling the product and getting the warehouse organised... then The Shippening begins. We're all closing the office for a week to go and help out. It may be a bit busy!
I was wondering about the individual Enforcer models myself. Will we get the minimum amount of plastic sprues to hobble all the items together? Or will we get the old stuff? (Starts to shudder). Or will there be a bits guys snipping things off for Wave 2?
Just had a quick flick through (will have a proper read when I'm less tired). First impressions, a very well laid out book with some very nice artwork in, my favourite after a quick flick is where a Orx is chatting away with a human (most probably organising a merc contract!). Models that I have not seen yet is: winged rebel alien thingy, goblin artillery crew, enforcer Medic, flamer and shield guy/s and a 3rd gen Plague grunt with grenade launcher. Though even after just a quck flick I noticed one glaring spelling error, instead of Campaign rules, it says Compaign rules. Lol!
Just had a quick look through and like what I see. Even the Enforcer on Page 21 looks pretty good.
I notice only the 4 original factions are noted in it, so I'll be curious to see if there will be an add-on for Wave 2 ala a campaign including the Forge Fathers and Asterians.
Triple9 wrote: Just had a quick look through and like what I see. Even the Enforcer on Page 21 looks pretty good.
I notice only the 4 original factions are noted in it, so I'll be curious to see if there will be an add-on for Wave 2 ala a campaign including the Forge Fathers and Asterians.
Yep, rules will be coming out with wave 2. Check the teaser on the penultimate page
I flipped through, and it's a very handsome looking book. I also really liked the pics including the 3rd Gen with grenade launcher. If that figure had been shown before, I wasn't aware of it.
James, just wondering but when will the Enforcer Peacekeeper models be released for retail? was really looking forward to them as they are the main minis that drew me into the game
Also (to everyone else) I do not own a copy of the PDF but Im asking how balanced are the rules? I've never played a mantic game system before so I don't know what their balance is like, and I really don't want to be doing another 40k moment where I picked the "wrong" army (as in the one which is most underpowered, as I really like the Enforcer faction)..
Happy go lucky, I haven't looked at the dead zone book yet, but Mantic balance is fairly good. In Kings of war, you play the army you like. Nothing is so overpowered that it's unstoppable. Balance is a key part of the game there, and I have a feeling dead zone will be too.
Ok thanks all I want to be making a push for this and DZC at my store which is kinda tricky since its a lot of GW or MTG or get out, but hopefully I will get people interested
Got the rule book PDF this week- looks fairly easy to get to grips with. The scenery will be fun I think. I like that the Plague have their share of naff mutations so they're not too overpowered.
Just flipped through the rulebook so far, I like the parts I saw though. Some of the things that were more limited in the beta are a bit more fleshed out now and should make for interesting game play for sure
Reading through the rulebook - very impressed. Good writing style, engaging setting, intuitive layout, great pics - mostly physical minis, but also some rendered art which breaks it up nicely. The dreadball rulebook I have was fine, though I found it a little simplistic in layout and with an overly large font and too much spacing. Deadzone doesn't seem to suffer the same problem.
Was wondering how well it would work to combine Deadzone terrain with the cardstock battle system terrain on KSatm to make a glorious 6x4 board. Use Deadzone terrain for the outside complex, leading into the inside of a large building done with battle system terrain.
@Yonan, I'm only in for a pound on battle systems right now, but I would *love* to move things around to get a couple of strong holds for an interior to go with deadzone and possibly Infinity (which is likely to be my go-to step-up if I want something more complicated/ in-depth for a change).
I'm sure I can come up with one stronghold w/o compromising mars attacks... but I would love to pick up two. The pieces just play together so well!
You know how deadzone buildings were cargo containers right? Habtainers or whatever? Assemble a few largish buildings but mostly/totally enclosed (if there're openings, they're there for cargo inspection,etc) and put them in the center of your board, and then surround them with Battle Systems. Boom, cargo hauling space ship missions are a go
That, and a big space ship interior to go along with my landing zone space port board section.
Yonan wrote: Reading through the rulebook - very impressed. Good writing style, engaging setting, intuitive layout, great pics - mostly physical minis, but also some rendered art which breaks it up nicely. The dreadball rulebook I have was fine, though I found it a little simplistic in layout and with an overly large font and too much spacing. Deadzone doesn't seem to suffer the same problem.
Was wondering how well it would work to combine Deadzone terrain with the cardstock battle system terrain on KSatm to make a glorious 6x4 board. Use Deadzone terrain for the outside complex, leading into the inside of a large building done with battle system terrain.
I was planning to combine the two as well. It's a storm of synchronicity this month!
For the first time since the kickstarter has ended, I haven't regretted my choice to not get the antenocitis detailing bundles. The BS stuff works out to be cheaper by far, and I WON'T HAVE TO PAINT ANY OF IT!!! And it still looks pretty top notch too
GrimDork wrote: You know how deadzone buildings were cargo containers right? Habtainers or whatever? Assemble a few largish buildings but mostly/totally enclosed (if there're openings, they're there for cargo inspection,etc) and put them in the center of your board, and then surround them with Battle Systems. Boom, cargo hauling space ship missions are a go
Mind blown, the outside becomes the inside! The hangar bays would be a perfect place to put them. They were looking at double height hangar doors too iirc.
That, and a big space ship interior to go along with my landing zone space port board section.
I was planning on using the deadzone terrain to do this too initially, but the battle systems stuff should do it much better.
For the first time since the kickstarter has ended, I haven't regretted my choice to not get the antenocitis detailing bundles. The BS stuff works out to be cheaper by far, and I WON'T HAVE TO PAINT ANY OF IT!!! And it still looks pretty top notch too
I picked it up, it was relatively more expensive but I don't mind since it should just add more variety which is always nice. If I had to choose between them and this battle system stuff though, I'd say the battle system stuff would win out handily.
The combinations possible are glorious
JoshInJapan wrote: I was planning to combine the two as well. It's a storm of synchronicity this month!
I have entertained the notion of building a 28mm spaceship out of battlezones, big enough to have a 2'x2' fighting area inside once you take the top hull off, so you can game inside the model itself.
The crazy thing is, it wouldn't even be all that expensive to make. 2 battlezones would be enough to give you the base for the 2x2 area (64 tiles), another 2 battlezones for the top and from there it's a matter of building up the sides, exterior and internals of the ship, probably using another 4-6 battlezones in the process.
I was going to make a scale version of the FTL Kestrel cruiser and fill out the inside with battlezones, but I think putting down a battle systems starship interior would make me just as happy and be way easier, leaving my battlezones for other stuff.
If BS ever gets around to making fantasy stuff... I may have to get back into that. Who knows, maybe they'll have something to do with DKH 4
Still think it'd be an amazing idea... have this gigantic awesome 28mm starship model and then lift off the top hull and show off the fact that it's also a gaming table on the inside.
Are there any scale model starship kits that are that gigantic and could house a 2x2 area in their interior?
As for DKH 4, I am hoping to absolute hell that hard plastic modular dungeon sprues are going to be a thing.
Just gave the digital rulebook a read through. Wonderful stuff, I think I've found my new Mordheim.
I think I will try to make something work, the idea is too good to pass up.
The nice thing about having a load of battlezones is that you can just put them together to make a giant spaceship just for fun if you want then take it apart and use it for regular terrain.
Not saying it's practical, but it is possible!
Also, looks like we have a pic of Freya in the DZ rulebook:
Spotted her earlier though I guess I didn't make mention of that here. Her face... I think it's just the angle but it looks a little weird right now. Or, no, there I stared at it long enough, looks fine.
Oh wow yeah I forgot her face always looked like that. It has some kind of ethnic quality, I can't say which, but its kind of distinct in a way. And it carries from the sketch over into the model quite well actually.
Good example of concept == model, not a thing that always happens, but it did here.
Lol. I just mean there's something particular about the eyes nose and face, and it translates almost directly from image to model.
Also, reading through the rulebook, I found something awesome... ENFORCERS STILL HAVE LASER RIFLES! Totally thought they were going to have solid ammo from some of the fluff snippets during the kickstarter. But they are described as having Genling 45 heavy laser rifles, ftw
I like the Marauder fluff. Even though the minis themselves retain some of the GW comic relief style for proxying, the fluff is all about them having pride in being apolitical mercenaries, being professional soldiers with uniforms and uniform equipment, and havng professional discretion - things you need to have more intelligence and introspection to do than most other Greenskin armies going around.
That's a big departure from comic relief/cobbled together equipment/fightin for fightin's sake and I really think the Warpath setting will be the better for it.
Agree on the marauders. The only thing I don't like is that they kept the name goblin instead of stunts. But I dunno, calling the smaller ones stunts in some ways makes them more like the orks of GW, so maybe goblin is better in the long term.
So we're all firmly in the "yay Mantic" category now, right?
As a general rule of course: nobody likes EVERYTHING. Not aesthetically loving freya (didn't care for concept art, I wrote her off) and the chainsaw doggies are questionable. I think I'll like em when in hand though.
The only problem was the risk of bad minis due to problems with KoW and Dreadball. That risk doesn't seem to exist for the restic we're receiving since we've seen production minis that looked great. We'll need to keep an eye on the hard plastics in wave 2 but Mantic said they'd be up front about it and let us get a refund and so on before they send them out so that shouldn't be an issue either, at worst we can't get burned and the stuff might all come out in restic instead of hard plastic.
timetowaste85 wrote: So we're all firmly in the "yay Mantic" category now, right?
I'm glad they showed us the production models and there shouldn't be any more nasty surprises for backers. I'm feeling much better about adding funds to my pledge manager. Of course, real plastic would really get things going, but the restic looks better than I expected based on past experience.
timetowaste85 wrote: So we're all firmly in the "yay Mantic" category now, right?
As a general rule of course: nobody likes EVERYTHING. Not aesthetically loving freya (didn't care for concept art, I wrote her off) and the chainsaw doggies are questionable. I think I'll like em when in hand though.
I think I will be cutting the chainsaws out of the mouths.
Actually I just realised how incredibly rude I've been by not thanking Mantic, it's so easy to bombard them with questions or complaints, I should also be saying thank you for all you guys have done well.
Thanks Mantic, keep up the good work.
timetowaste85 wrote: So we're all firmly in the "yay Mantic" category now, right?
I'm glad they showed us the production models and there shouldn't be any more nasty surprises for backers. I'm feeling much better about adding funds to my pledge manager. Of course, real plastic would really get things going, but the restic looks better than I expected based on past experience.
Agreed. The thing to bear in mind is that even nkleltch who cops a lot of gak here for his views (some of it warranted, but a lot of it unwarranted) isn't chanting for the downfall of Mantic and wanting them to go out of business. So the rest of us who are bitching about things from time to time are predominantly doing so from a perspective of wanting to see Mantic do the right thing by both their customers and themselves, which is generally the same thing. Unfortunately, a lot of the choices in the last year or two have been, well, perhaps "good" for Mantic short-term but bad for their consumers, and will end up being bad for Mantic Long-term - pretty much every part of the chain of events with the MAA after the concept art - who the feth is going to buy those by choice?
So yeah, good to see them making an attempt to right the ship's course, rather than repeatedly trying to jump a reef. A much, much better effort recently, James.
timetowaste85 wrote: So we're all firmly in the "yay Mantic" category now, right?
As a general rule of course: nobody likes EVERYTHING. Not aesthetically loving freya (didn't care for concept art, I wrote her off) and the chainsaw doggies are questionable. I think I'll like em when in hand though.
I think I will be cutting the chainsaws out of the mouths.
My dogs will also have a chainsaw transplant. They will be slashing fire hydrants in more ways than one.
James, (or anyone here, this may be generally known), is it certain the Warpath Kickstarter will launch sometime in 2014? Or is that still being debated in the Mantic bunker?
Vermonter wrote: James, (or anyone here, this may be generally known), is it certain the Warpath Kickstarter will launch sometime in 2014? Or is that still being debated in the Mantic bunker?
"Certain" is a word that terrifies me.
However, we're very, very interested in the idea. We've got a couple of other things that we'd like to do first, mind... a couple of rather extreme ideas.
As much as I think Mars Attacks is awesome, I have been eyeing up the bigger-than-a-GW-Rhino Trucks for sale at $12.50* each and thinking "Man, if only this was the Warpath Kickstarter and those were Corporation APCs".
And that's before you even get into stuff like the $20* robot mini that's the size of a GW riptide.
There's definitely a lot of very interesting smaller stuff you could do (DKH 4 having the most potential IMO), but as far as "chomping at the bit, want it, need it, will make $3 mil+ easy" interest from Mantic fans, Warpath Kickstarter is where its at, would love to see it next summer.
*taking bundle discounts and pledge level discounts into account.
scarletsquig wrote: As much as I think Mars Attacks is awesome, I have been eyeing up the bigger-than-a-GW-Rhino Trucks for sale at $12.50* each and thinking "Man, if only this was the Warpath Kickstarter and those were Corporation APCs".
...hard plastic Corporation vehicles designed by Antenociti's Workshop.
scarletsquig wrote: As much as I think Mars Attacks is awesome, I have been eyeing up the bigger-than-a-GW-Rhino Trucks for sale at $12.50* each and thinking "Man, if only this was the Warpath Kickstarter and those were Corporation APCs".
Sorry to be a bubble-burster, but they're actually smaller than a rhino!
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, if you guys are interested, myself, Ronnie and Alessio will be doing a live chat over at Beasts of War this evening. It's mainly about Kings of War, but if you want to get some Deadzone / Mars Attacks / Warpath questions in, head on over.
So, lets think about it: give me a warpath KS at the end of Q3 2014, and my wallet will be ready for another round. Before it, i will probably stick with the extremely necessary stuf :/
Also, please lagoon83, tell me you are talking about a big sized paquiderm with a horn in the nose
And Scarletsquig, you are not the only one thinking that way...
and Mantic, I demand that you give me plastic Forge Fathers (good looking ones)
@James: Ah, you're right, thought it was 140mm long for some reason. Looking back over the update, they're still very close at least.
Speaking of the latest shiny things - here's a new shot of the Silverback Truck. For scale, this thing is approximately 120mm by about 50-60mm wide, and is designed to actually carry 5-6 figures!
Rhino is 115x75mm so the Truck seems to be a touch longer but a fair bit narrower? Still really great for the price and I think they'll find their way into my DZ/Warpath stuff at some point regardless.
**much** too small to count as croissants.
Good God I remember the grief I got for non-proxied necron air force nastiness, I don't wanna be the guy trying to pull that off **anywhere**.
I really hope they can get the plastic sorted out shortly, as I expect them to do a Warpath Kickstarter in june, and If I'm right there is going to be a ton of vehicles and additions to the armies.
Those models look fantastic, and I'm glad the enforcers got a bulkier ankle. Also if you look through the pages you can see the enforcer special teams painted up, and they look nice.
I'm trying to go through my Season 3 shipment to figure out what is mine and what is RiTides' stuff. I know I'm missing stuff from the order, but I can't figure out what is what easily..
Does anyone have pictures of what the Nameless Keepers and Prone markers are?
CptJake wrote:Just out of curiosity, why are the Martians as tall as humans? In the movie they are quite a bit shorter.
Because the movie made them shorter than they were in the original cards (and the relaunched cards / comics), which is what we're licensed to produce miniatures of.
The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hm, people i was wondering if there is any "deal" of Mars Attack with only martian stuff...
Thinking about it, those are great for a "count as" Tau Empire, great stuff to go against (or at side) of my planned Forge father Army
I mean, how those saucers would look counting as Tau transport ships? And the big robot is an invite for a Riptide count ass...
Oh man, what extra surprise money do to my brain...
We're always interested in making new deals! Drop us a message on the Kickstarter with what sort of thing you'd like, and we'll talk.
Triszin wrote:I really hope they can get the plastic sorted out shortly, as I expect them to do a Warpath Kickstarter in june, and If I'm right there is going to be a ton of vehicles and additions to the armies.
Those models look fantastic, and I'm glad the enforcers got a bulkier ankle. Also if you look through the pages you can see the enforcer special teams painted up, and they look nice.
One of the big things with Deadzone was to get hard plastics right so we could do vehicles. Looking at the terrain, yeah. Yeah, we've cracked it.
Here's my thought... All during the Deadzone KS, I was day-dreaming about Warpath. Ironically, since then, I have become utterly convinced of the value and cool-factor of DZ as its own entity.
As such, give me a honkin' HUGE Warpath KS in June, with classic Mantic value, vehicles, huge volumes of models, etc... and make an early stretch-goal DZ cards/rules for any brand-new models that happen to be introduced.
That's right... just as DZ was my launch into Warpath of a sort, I want Warpath to also have hooks for DZ. Think of it as making Warhammer 40k, but acknowledging "Kill Team" thus making both products even richer for it!
Mostly, Warpath.... KS.... gimmie. I will give you all the money I made from working on Deadzone, and then some.... no joke. :-p
Turns out a bunch of the stuff Cyporiean had added onto her Dreadball pledge for me was missing. At this point, I'm just hoping for a refund on those items, cut my losses and move on.
Who do we email about those kinds of things again?
Triszin wrote:I really hope they can get the plastic sorted out shortly, as I expect them to do a Warpath Kickstarter in june, and If I'm right there is going to be a ton of vehicles and additions to the armies.
Those models look fantastic, and I'm glad the enforcers got a bulkier ankle. Also if you look through the pages you can see the enforcer special teams painted up, and they look nice.
One of the big things with Deadzone was to get hard plastics right so we could do vehicles. Looking at the terrain, yeah. Yeah, we've cracked it.
yeah, plastic vehicles will be amazing, But I'm also hoping for Pure plastic troops.
Turns out a bunch of the stuff Cyporiean had added onto her Dreadball pledge for me was missing. At this point, I'm just hoping for a refund on those items, cut my losses and move on.
Who do we email about those kinds of things again?
RiTides wrote: Turns out a bunch of the stuff Cyporiean had added onto her Dreadball pledge for me was missing. At this point, I'm just hoping for a refund on those items, cut my losses and move on.
Who do we email about those kinds of things again?
Sigh...
Drop me a line with the full story and I'll sort it out for you asap. I'm here all night (chatting over at Beasts of War) so I'll get on it right away!
DaveC wrote: So was that a hint a page back that Dreadball Extreme is next on Mantics schedule
Yes, I do believe it is.
Although, I am definitely on the side of, Mantic folks needing to take a break from kickstarters and do some typical selling stuff again for a while. I'd imagine it's for the best longer term.
PS: Awesome sculpts for Deadzone, I'm definitely happy now.
I'd imagine Dreadball Extreme would be a smaller set up so a small expansion boxset and some extras does it really need a KS it's actually one of those things I'd rather see go to retail (won't stop me backing a KS for it though). I do think Mantic need to show that they can exist again outside of KS as well and Dreadball Extreme would be the perfect place to start given how popular it is.
DaveC wrote: I'd imagine Dreadball Extreme would be a smaller set up so a small expansion boxset and some extras does it really need a KS it's actually one of those things I'd rather see go to retail (won't stop me backing a KS for it though). I do think Mantic need to show that they can exist again outside of KS as well and Dreadball Extreme would be the perfect place to start given how popular it is.
There were some rumours of mini kickstarters with a very tight scope and short delivery date floating around a while ago, I think those would be a great idea.
One per game expansion, or one per army, that sort of thing. Sounds good to me, I like the idea of seeing a single army being done really really well with high quality/ good value on everything rather than having the money spread thinly trying to get 30+ kits made for multiple armies. $50k stretch goals would definitely be accepted if the end result of that was something like the mantic skeleton kit.
Yeah, between the Nameless Cyp had gotten for herself and what I had added, there was enough for one of us to run them... so that's going to be me
In the end I still won't have one additional Nameless team for "all possibilities", but I can always pick that up locally as a store here carries Dreadball.
You can't as far as I know backers get them as part of their pledge but they are watermarked with your name and order number to stop people circulating them (or if they do they can be traced)
Trying to make a decision on things to stay in by Sunday night. Cheers!
You can still get at the beta rules: http://quirkworthy.com/2013/05/23/deadzone-beta-rules/ and there's a link early in the comments to the PDF. Since Mantic hasn't taken them down, I assume it's safe to share. That'll get a rough idea of what the rules look like if you're looking into mechanics. If you were looking for fluff or presentation, then obviously that's not going to be helpful.
From my reading of the rules last night, DeadZone seems pretty quick to play, with a modified IGOUGO setup based on command values, and a "timeout" based on cards combined with mission objectives (which are variable). The mechanics are pretty simple, but the way they seem to interact with the gameboard gives their simplicity a lot of depth. Looks to be a fun game.
Was The Nexus PSi or whatever its called campaign going to have a .pdf as well, or was that just going to be physical? After reading through the rulebook, I'm really curious to see what the premade scenarios are going to be.
Here's a brief summary of the webchat with Ronnie, Alessio and James, some interesting nuggets in there to dig out:
Spoiler:
warzan: Hello World!
lagoon83: Hello yourself!
igillies: hi
lagoon83: Hello!
badgertheking: well helllo
lagoon83: Hello indeed!
johnp: Hello people
lagoon83: How are we doing this evening?
daedle: Eyup sweetums
dinoman87: hello, and rather well
tk421: Badger the king.....hobo?
johnp: very well this end all scary stuff this first time ive been on here lol but a member for bow for ages now
smurf: Badger, we meet again...
lagoon83: Same here john - actually forgot there was a chat function! Poor form on my part :p
darklord: Hello
tk421: Dan!!!!
smurf: hi dan darklord: Hey hey!
lagoon83: Blimey, that's a lot of people starting to turn up.
johnp: lolBoW did a fine job of covering KoW thats why lol smurf: lots of familiar names from the mantic forums :p
vladdrahcir: who can blame them. KoW ae awsome
lagoon83: Very true! Admittedly I'm biased, but I thought it was an awesome week (and a bit) of content.
redfox4242: Hello there Mantic people. tk421: I loved the Goblin and Abyssal Army list.....
Me: hi everyone.. hey badger!
jp1138: evenin' all... somegeezer: 2 thumbs up for the KoW battle report. It looked tons of fun
lagoon83: It was awesome! And (SPOILERS!) I didn't lose for once!
johnp: so much fun i cracked out my two player box and started painting lol Me: @lagoon: The demo videos were amazing, definitely going to be my go-to "watch these" for anyone I see asking about KoW online.
bidge: Evening all
divinedread: hi all badgertheking: KoW is the best lagoon83: Awesome stuff lagoon83: Hi Bidge!
lagoon83: And hello divinedread!
badgertheking: Hello to aqll the badger lovers
smurf: popular guy leon :p
badgertheking: badgertheking: More videos!!!!
badgertheking: full weekly battle reports dinoman87: And with more waffles please
daedle: Man wouldn't it be great to see two top KoW players facing off against each other on video eh?
salagam19: Yes, KoW week has grabbed me screaming and kcking back into Fantasy gaming and opened the doors to all things Mantic. Where have I been!?
redfox4242: I am thrilled because Mantic Games is suddenly everywhere in Beasts of War
daedle: Don't you think lagoon83?
tk421: Im doing a video of the next Kings of War tournament at Total Wargammer on the 17th
badgertheking: I agree deade
lagoon83: Daedle - I've said it before and I've said it again, you're gonna have to buy me dinner first at this rate. :p
gt3000: Hey guys is it a chatroom conversation or a live video feed?
daedle: I said two top players lagoon
sukura636: You mean Josh and Alberto, Deadle?
bidge: Hey lagoon
lagoon83: salagam - Doesn't matter where you've been - just matters that you're here now!
redfox - Yay, I know!
gt3000 - chatroom. Here's where it happens! We're going old school.
daedle - HA!
lagoon83: Josh is an expert and rolling dice while pointing.
jp1138: I will warm up my trusty sideways zombie shuffle manoeuver in anticipation Daedle! Me: darklord vs. josh. :p
hawker2000: how are your models so affordable
bidge: @ Salagem, Yep where have you been? Well enjoy as Mantic really do have a great set of products
salagam19: Well lagoon, its your wit and repartee that have sold me and meant my child wont eat for another week or so. Big package arrived today!
hawker2000: the price is really good
lagoon83: @hawker - Good question. A mixture of sensible businessy stuff (from the accountants in the team) and Ronnie's ridiculous sense of generosity.
salagam19: bidge...Im just realising this. Odd as I followed the Dreadball and Deadzone KS's but didn't jump in :-(
hawker2000: cool keep that up its doing wonders guy
lagoon83: @salagam - Thanks! Much appreciated - it's nice to know that people are enjoying what I do!
lagoon83: (It's all Warren really, though. I've never actually met him. The James on DreadBall Academy and KoW week is a hologram.)
salagam19: just joking about my daughter by the way :-p
hawker2000: what 3D package do you use to design the models in
vondrasky: All those undead in the boxes keep on screaming all night : "PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!"
dignity: evening everybody redfox4242: excellent hologram in that case
lagoon83: Justin is in the hizzouse! Or house. Possibly.
lagoon83: Hawker - I am so not the right person to answer that question! We get our 3D sculpts done by a team of lovely freelancers.
dignity: evening james salagam19: so....where is Ronnie?
lagoon83: Ronnie is imminent!
hawker2000: what 3D package do you use to design the models in
tk421: probably tucking the kids in
sukura636: AT a guess, it looks like it might be Zbrush. A guess, but they 'caly' texture is familiar salagam19: lol sukura636: clay*
lagoon83: Aha! I've just been told that he was proofreading the Mars Attacks update that's about to go out... so he'll be here asap.
hawker2000: do you comission an artist to do them or do you do them all inhouse with the 3D models
dinoman87: OK
darklord: Kickstarter keeps em busy!
johnp: as a noob im trying to work out whos who lol must admit i do wear a confused look most of the day lol gt3000: Will we be able to get some Mars Attacks questions in here? KoW is awesome but I don't want to interrupt the chat by being off topic.
lagoon83: Hawker - we get them done by an artist. We've got an in-house sculptor, but he works in proper putty and clay and stuff.
lagoon83: johnp - I'm James from Mantic, dignity is Justin from Beasts of War, and everyone else is everyone else!
lagoon83: gt3000 - I reckon as long as we stay mostly on topic it'll all be groovy gt3000: Neat.
dinoman87: Wait then who will Ronnie be?
lagoon83: I have no idea.
johnp: Ah yes lol as I thought ps thanks for accepting my Fb yesterday
smurf: I bet he's already here, just using an alias.
salagam19: yes, but do I really need Martians with ray guns? I;m feeling the answer is yes but as Im just getting into Mantic games and liking the imminent release of DZ that may take my disposable income instead
salagam19: I'm Ronnie renton
sukura636: Use his secret enforcer codename?
tk421: Heressssss Ronnie!!!!!
salagam19: not really sorry
bidge: Groovy ............Bruce Campbell is a god, oops thats me off topic already. Damn
blackspiral: So James are you as excited as the rest of us for Deadzone!!?!
bombkangaroo: I am Spartacus!
smurf: I'm guessing Ronnie Mantic is ronnie :p
redfox4242: I am Spartacus!
prosthetics: i've heard mixed things about KoW, the models are undoubtably affordable and good looking though - how does the game play when compared to other popular games such as WHFantasy and WarmaHordes?
hawker2000: are you planning another kickstarter with Warpath
dignity: lol Nooo!!! my secret identity.... dragqueeninspace: I heard rumours fleabgs without the riders may be available in resin is this true?
bidge: @ prosthetics Gamepley is great, super quick , dead easy to understand,
lagoon83: Blackspiral - YES!
smurf: surely you mean mawbeasts :p
lagoon83: prosthetics - Good question! It's very streamlined and allows for massive games to be played in no time at all.
dragqueeninspace: I belive I do.
ophidian: James and Ronnie, I just want to say from the USA how big a fan I am of Kings of War. I'm telling errbody that will listen, and then some
dignity: cant wait to get some filming done on it myself bombkangaroo: Prosthetics, check out the BoWKoW demo game videos
bombkangaroo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mkm9Wzf-MA lagoon83: prosthetics - As I said in the video, you spend your time playing against your opponent, not against their army or the rules.
bombkangaroo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqBOp90HeD0 grimslath: Will Twilight Kin be getting an overhaul at any point?
lagoon83: ophidian - Hooray! sukura636: There was a BIG (like 12' table thing) KoW game played in about 3hours at open day - SPEED
stupot: super fast
redfox4242: speedy
lagoon83: dragqueeninspace - Not sure on that one. Might need to check it and get back to you!
somegeezer: Any plans for all-plastic Twighlight Kin and Abyssal Dwarfs? (Please say yes)
hawker2000: could you design a Ming the Merciluss model based on Justin?
salagam19: @ Ronnie....when you started Mantic did you ever think you would be at the stage you are now so quickly?
badgertheking: and my elves alll died :(
lagoon83: grimslath - YES! We hope. Possible Kickstarter next year...
dignity: i'll second that James, and ill say it was one og the most fun game ive had in a verl long time salagam19: the only good elf...
grimslath: Awesome news! That's made my night already. ronnieatmantic: salagam - yeh - thought we would do it faster!!!! seriously right now we are going at some serious speed. DeasdZone is going crazy.
bombkangaroo: is a brown elf girl
lagoon83: somegeezer - Maybe! As I said, Kickstarter will be our path to plastic glory.
prosthetics: so it leans towards warmachine with the focus on balance and competativeness, whilst not having a tome of rules to learn?
salagam19: I'll be in for a Warpath KS.
ronnieatmantic: somegeezer - yes!
stupot: no tables!
somegeezer: Plastic glory ++
lagoon83: salagam - Ronnie seems to not be here yet. Ask him when he gets here!
redfox4242: I am planning on backing a Warpath Kickstarter
lagoon83: Oh hang on
lagoon83: There he is!
lagoon83: I take it back.
lagoon83: Hi boss!
ronnieatmantic: oh, hi everyone. Ronnie here sorry I am late!
dignity: James he's here
stupot: hello!
redfox4242: Hello!
divinedread: hey
salagam19: We spoke at Partizan just before the orcs came out and your enthusiasm was infectious
somegeezer: Ey up Ronnie
dinoman87: Hello Ronnie
sukura636: *Wave*
johnp: Hello Ronnie
bidge: Evening Ron
hawker2000: how long does the 3d model sculpturer take to design a model
ronnieatmantic: hi James - thanks for holsding the fort. This is going too fast for an old man like me!
cyphertheory: What is the planned lifecycle of Mantic miniatures? do you see yourselves revisiting sculpts that didnt meet your expectations in the future?
lagoon83: Ron - if you use the colour picker above the chat window, you can make your text stand out a bit!
hawker2000: I know it depends on many aspects but an average time
ronnieatmantic: salagam19 - thanks. I get passionnate cyberbob2k: hey James and Ronnie, if I bring a sleeping bag and help pack the deadzone stuff, can i sleep in a small space in your warehouse and get mine early? reganspor: Is there any Roleplaying game planned for the kings of war setting? And if not would you consider that as an anvenue to take ghe KoW range?
badgertheking: the basalion list has no individual angels, is this a sign of things to come with KoW?? with werewolfs etc?
ronnieatmantic: thanks James - do i now have a regal blue?
badgertheking: ahhh
badgertheking: dark
smurf: not that colour!
stupot: that's a tad hard to read :s
lagoon83: You do indeed! It's delightful and illegible.
badgertheking: cant read iyt
dignity: ...
redfox4242: yes you're blue
dragqueeninspace: hard to see on thre background
dignity: lol ronnieatmantic: bit Dark - oh lets go for sky blue!
bidge: Ron no not that colour cn't read.
salagam19: lol thudgutz: That is worse
bombkangaroo: Ronnie, please no. My poor eyes!
sukura636: A bit lighter, Ron
lagoon83: Cyphertheory - I think it depends on the sculpt! Some things are timeless, others present opportunities to be redone tk421: When is Dwarf Kings Hold 4 coming? Just kidding, you have Deadzone and Mars attacks on your plate....
ronnieatmantic: bidge - thats my teams colours . I am gonig to get that one!
daedle: We'll get there eventually
ronnieatmantic: right - sky blue?
smurf: You should just change to green Ronnie, match James :p.
dignity: umm try the orange its easy to read and stands out
stupot: much better!
sukura636: Yep
lagoon83: Badgertheking - Now there's a question for Alessio salagam19: that's better]
bidge: Ron I'll ditch the sky blue so as not to confuse
bombkangaroo: much better
dinoman87: Better
dinoman87: ditto
lagoon83: By the way guys, we might miss a few questions as this is going mental - if we don't answer you, just give it a minute and answer again.
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - it is one of the project we have bubbling away - but when we do it we will wsant it to be totally mega - i think it is a while away yet (i have sen some nice sculpts though daedle: Or even ask again
salagam19: no problem...
lagoon83: Or ask again, yeah. Whichever works. :p
badgertheking: is Alessio here?
daedle: @lagoon83, question: What happens to an individuals attacks when they charge a units flank?
ronnieatmantic: James - change to the team colours - blue!
badgertheking: hahahaha play nice deadle
lagoon83: @daedle - Depends on whether you're gonna get your copy of Deadzone or not. salagam19: good idea...mantic staff in sky blue
ronnieatmantic: Bidge - thanks. So what does everyone think of KoW then?
salagam19: love it
daedle: @lagoon, I've got 2 on the way. Plus another ~$300 in extras
imhotepmagi: I love it
salagam19: only just jumped in
johnp: Think the one question I have is will we see KoW building etc ?
imhotepmagi: True convert here
salagam19: at 43 feel a bit of an old timer
bidge: Lovin it.
lagoon83: @daedle - you *think*, at least. :p
dignity: @daedle - Charging in the flank give x2 attacks in the rear is x3
smurf: it's a great game dinoman87: Looks good, but gonna be a bit hard to find people in my area
stupot: planning my first game for the weekend, Dwarfs vs Orcs, only small 1k pts
trideau: great game
Me: Speaking of DKH 4 - Any chance of a hard plastic modular dungeon-builder sprue? I really think that would be extremely popular.
sukura636: So stealing someone else's question:
"When you started up Mantic all those years ago, did you think things would be where they are by now?"
johnp: im 32 so catching you up
smurf: except with individuals dignity :p
redfox4242: I don't think individuals get bones from flank and rear attacks ... just units
salagam19: the battle report has done loads to show off the best bits
grotham: So James. are you all stuck behing a single account? like a three headed ogre that refuses to go away?
ronnieatmantic: salagam - wow - 1 year older than me!
lagoon83: @scarletsquig - Not sure at this stage. We're exploring options cyphertheory: good in comparison to warhammer, where the 8th edition has expanded the rule set too much, KoW allows more tactical gameplay without rules getting in the way or springing up
Me: ooh, exciting. dignity: ah now that i didnt know sorry ronnieatmantic: johnp - yes, for sure. everyone is loving DZ scenery and we will do KoW next.
reganspor: So a KOW roleplaying game?
grimslath: Haven't played KoW yet although I have the 2 player starter. Trying to lure my mates away from WFB at the moment!
lagoon83: @grotham - When you say "you all", who do you mean? There's only one of me. For now.
salagam19: yep, been doing this since 1st ed WFB
johnp: Cool thanks Ronnie
stupot: I would love a KoWRPG lagoon83: @grimslath - Get 'em to play a game using their WFB armies. Great way to see the difference.
smurf: I agree with scarlet btw, a hard plastic affordable dungeon tile set with walls etc is missing from the hobby at the moment :p.
bidge: Pathfinder Simon Campbell Cornsnakes taught me, my wife and my kid pretty much everything about the rules over the course of one demo game.
stupot: that's what I'm doing with my mate this weekend
salagam19: but been into historicals for a long time...Peter Pig 15mm
grotham: You claimed you had discovere the art of cellular splitting earlier james. where did all you go?
tk421: James....How many attacks does a goblin Wiz get when they charge the side of a unit? Just joshing with you..... Whats your current KoW army you are working on?
daltoncalford: I would love a KOW setting guide so that my players and I could use the rules we want with all the flavour and background material ready for Mantica
ronnieatmantic: Scarlet S - I will leak - wouldn't that be great! cypher - great sunopsis of the rules. all about playing the terrainand your enemy - not his army list.
leitholfer: With Warpath in "Beta", and the releases of Dreadbal and Deadzone, we're starting to see the background story of the Warpath universe flesh out. Any plans to expand on it? Same goes for KoW lagoon83: @grotham - I had to kill them all. Clone uprising. Nightmare.
thudgutz: Had a demo when Pathfinder Pete came to our GCN Club (TVT in Carmarthen) and really liked the way the game played, sooooo much more simple than pother Fantasy games we could mention. Just need to decide on a faction now (as I missed the KS) and then will be treating myself to a small starter army at the OpenDay. What points size is a good starting army?
sukura636: @grimslath play it in front of them, and watch their eyes as you go so quickly grimslath: @lagoon83 That's the plan! Just not had time yet tbh (and my current lack of WFB army has thrown a spanner in the works!).
lagoon83: @tk421 - For starters, why aren't you at your post? I'm still working on my Undead... technically, at least! Haven't had time to paint anything in ages!
ophidian: Are you guys thinking upcoming KoW releases will expand existing races, or aimed more at coming out with new ones?
johnp: I run a club after the demise of my local shop and theres a few of us getting into other games now and mantics range is begining to pick up a lot of intrest
ronnieatmantic: salagam - me too - i had a opreorder in. Toughness D!
lagoon83: Leitholfer - Oh yes. In many ways leitholfer: leitholfer: Good to hear!
bidge: Bugger me but this is tough to keep up.
ronnieatmantic: dalton - we are working on more background. definaltely something we need to ge ton - hope the basilean book did some of that.
lagoon83: @thudgutz - There's a good question! Throw it open to the room - what's the best army size to start playing KoW?
grotham: @ronnieatmantic With DZ being a huge sucsess, would you consider making a similar edition of Dwarf King's Hold?
johnp: @Lagoon83 painting orc army at the mo :-)
stupot: any word on new races for WoW in the pipeline?
salagam19: @Ronnie...those were the days, crawling on the floor, using every figure you have, good v evil
daltoncalford: Thanks for the response Ronnie, still waiting for my Basilian book to arrive
imhotepmagi: I like 650 to start myself
stupot: KoW*
badgertheking: 1000 points is a good start
redfox4242: I need to buy the Basilean book soon because my friend is beating me with her Elohi
Me: Okay, DKH 4 definitely sounding wonderful. badgertheking: 10000 is better daedle: @Lagoon, around 500 points is quick to put together and play, but 1000 points is where the game really starts to shine
lagoon83: Bidge - I'm sure Justin's keeping a log or something. tk421: Ronnie, your working James too hard. He hasnt had time to paint his army or read short stories.....Specifically mine~!!!!!!!
James Im at my post....Im rustling up more viewers as we speak.
salagam19: in a way I have the same feeling for KoW.....its that refreshing in a stale market
smurf: Do Mantic have any plans to change KoW over to a live rulebook? There have been quite a lot of discussions about it on the forums and it would help to balance the game especially with tournament play in mind. Perhaps having a Hardback book which gives access to an online "updated" copy?
ronnieatmantic: thudguts - rahther than points - pick your favorite army and buy the £50 set - you get a really good mix of an army in all those sets and they are great value.
daltoncalford: We consistently play KOW 5k to a side. 10k and the system breaks without serious house ruling
dignity: my own thoughts woulf be to grab Baldr`s Armoured Battalion Mega Army
ronnieatmantic: redfox - Elohi are pretty tough - but i am sure you'll find a way to beat them
lagoon83: Can't beat Ronnie's answer there!
lagoon83: There's a surprise, Justin! dignity: what il like the little uns :p
ronnieatmantic: badgethe king - true (well maybe not as a starting point!) but i bet you ould still paly it in 3 hours!
salagam19: the army sets are great buys
daedle: @Ronni, why does your name say that you're eating Mantic?
thudgutz: Ronnie that sound like a plan - will there be an oppertunity to try out the different Factions at the open day?
dignity: 117 minis and your getting 3 warmachines and 2 char's makes me a happy bunny :p
salagam19: the new Orc army with trolls and chariot in works out at around 12pts to the pound
tk421: Ronnie, I understand you have a massive grudge match game of Kings of War planned for Febuary....... Feeling nervous?
ophidian: Yea thanks for those army sets guys-those really are a fantastic bargain
stupot: how much in points do the £50 boxes buy you?
vonjunk: Can I still get the thinking Elf and Elf Scout cloaks with Mantic points?
lagoon83: @smurf - Very interesting question. It's the sort of thing we like to do - make rules available online, etc. - so possibly something to think about in future.
smurf: Cheers badgertheking: I totally llove the trolls, any plans to make them better on the tabletop??
daedle: @stupot, depends which army! Anywhere between 500 and 1000 points
somegeezer: @deadle - Mantic's new byline "building and eating big armies"
sukura636: Varies around 1000, of course you can download the list for free and work it out ronnieatmantic: smurf - we have agreed with Alessio that he will maintain a living 'rules section' on the Mantic forum. He will do QandA, errata etc and put up new throughts and ideas on it. we will also do an annual torunament pack to balance things for tournament play
grotham: @stupot It depends on the box. more beefy armies gets you more points and less models (ogres) and other boxes gives small point value but large armies.
stupot: @daedle, cheers
smurf: awesome daedle: YES YES YES LIVING RULES SECTION YES YES YES
smurf: cheers guys
lagoon83: @vonjunk - Most of the stuff that used to be on there will be coming back, thinking elf included cyphertheory: with tabletop gaming entering a new golden era of diversity and oportunity, what do you think is mantics unique selling point, and how do you want to remain different to your competition?
reganspor: Well @dignity I suppose because there is no stright answer for the KoW roleplaying game it must be happening.
daltoncalford: Good, living rules section has been needed for a very long time
badgertheking: Yes living rulebook is great new
dignity: @smurf - we should also have the man himself on later to be put to the question :p
daedle: @Ronnie, just imagine how good it would be if a mysterious Council Of Seven had been rebalancing the rules?
dignity: johnp: Ronnie or James do you still have your guys come to local clubs and stores ?
vonjunk: I think that's great! Thanks!!
grotham: @lagoon83 Can you beg Ron for a wall sprue for DKH like the ones in DZ?
smurf: cough batman, daedle
drjonarg: Will we see more units or more races for KoW ? (Chariots are cool)
sukura636: @johnp Yep, there's two of us on now, at least.
daedle: @Johnp, that's the job of pathfinders and we're happy to do so! Let us know which stores/clubs and we'll see who we can whizz over
lagoon83: @cyphertheory - Awesome question! I'm gonna let Ronnie field it, because it's totally his sort of thing.
salagam19: Any good deals going to be available at Open Day?
thudgutz: @JohnP if you mean the Pathfinders then yes
ronnieatmantic: cypher - we want to offer simple fun games at fair value. We are alsso looking to create a truly global community. we are also going to focus around our core IP's - with a few crazy diversions every now and then johnp: we had stewart come to the store before you stole him for your selfs lol lagoon83: @johnp - Yeah, our Pathfinders are a lovely bunch and are always happy to help out at stores and clubs!
sukura636: He levelled up.
ronnieatmantic: johnp - we have a team of pathfinders who are like the martini girls - they will go anywhere, anytime to spread the love !
lagoon83: @grotham - He's right there, you can do it now!
salagam19: crazy diversion = Mars Attacks!
sukura636: Oh dear
lagoon83: Ron - there's an image I didn't need.
lagoon83: Salagam - Yes indeed!
sukura636: I'm a Martni girl now...
agtfos: Hi.
tk421: Ronnie, I understand you have a massive grudge match game of Kings of War planned for Febuary....... Feeling nervous?
johnp: lol ok kool i will email to arange something :-)
mrsaturday: Yeah, about that Mars Attacks.
salagam19: if you asked me 3 monnths ago would I consider getting into a game with martians and ray guns I'd have laughed in your face
daedle: @lagoon83, Ronnie has a very compromising photo of me
lagoon83: johnp - hope to hear from you soon!
ronnieatmantic: DAedle - the council of 7 are crazy, power mad loonies - (wait until you read the first story in DeadZone book!) they would not ake them balance!
badgertheking: When are we getting minis for the nature army list? I really want to build one but only use Mantic minis. The Loka minis look nice grotham: @Ronnieatmantic If i bribe you with a couple of bottles with stoch, will you whip Mr Thorton to make DKH 4 with DZ like walls for the board?
salagam19: are loka the same scale?
agtfos: I have a question about KOW goblins, re the big shield rule. This looks like a great rule to apply to all goblin foot units, and is described as a "very large shield made with several planks of wood badly strung together is good protection for the lads" which makes total sense. BUT the forum and KOW army list says that the only goblin unit that has this is the mincer. Now I can see how the mincer has the big shield 'effect' but there's no "planks of wood etc" so, why go to so much trouble to describe the rule if it CANT apply to other goblin units?
redfox4242: Feeling very eager to get the Deadzone short stories. Devored the electronic rulebook yesterday...
thudgutz: I like the sound of the £50 starter set, will there be an oppertunity to try out the different Factions at the open day?
lagoon83: Those LOKA minis are lovely, aren't they? Scale's a little bit bigger, but with the elementals and things that hardly matters.
goban: I am really only a Kow fanatic but could I buy a DZ rules pdf, to go with the mars
johnp: Who said size matters when your having fun
ronnieatmantic: salagam - will be some deals, and yes Mars Attacks. But also it is based on the DeadZone game - so if you can play one you dont need to learn another system - the base mechanics are the same - but then the setting and event cards and style of play is much different.
salagam19: sounds good James
grotham: @thudgutz I will bring 4 500pts armies to demo with open day. feel free to come over and give them a try
gt3000: Ronnie! Do you guys have a system of volunteers similar to Privateer Press' Pressganger program? It'd be awesome to be able to host tournies and such with official backing maybe even prize support.
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - walk in the park!
sukura636: It represents the big metal plate and whirry blades on the front of the model. Other units sometimes have these rules.
salagam19: Im soooooo tempted. Food or Mars Attacks
lagoon83: @agtfos - Yep, that's just the mincer. The rule was written before the model was sculpted, and we ended up going with whirly blades instead of wooden planks. As for why it's the only model with the rule... You can ask Alessio when he turns up!
ronnieatmantic: i do need to get painting thou
thudgutz: to pinch Justin's phrase sweeeet
cyphertheory: Mantic are renowned for their Kickstart campaigns, and since in the UK at least, in recent years gaining capital for a start up has been difficult, do you think that mantic's near future is closely linked with funding via kickstarter, or do you hope to be able to fund new products outside of it?
Me: There has been talk of a KoW 2.0 Kickstarter for some time (including that huge mantic forum thread) - any idea what sort of form that might take or what the focus might be?
daedle: @gt3000, we do. Let us know when/where and we'll get on the case lagoon83: @gt3000 - Yep! That's our Pathfinders. Drop me a line at james.hewitt@manticgames.com if you want to organise something!
sukura636: gt3000 Yep, pathfinders - in fact there are pathfinder tournements.
ronnieatmantic: goban - we will make a digital rules set available - probably with the main game laucnh in Febrauary.
salagam19: I personally think Mantic and Army Painter are a match made in heaven
dignity: @agtfos - you know you could house rule goblin emplacements to have the rule for a sige game? redfox4242: I love Army Painter
salagam19: large amries really quickly
gt3000: Is there an application process?
lagoon83: Wow, scarletsquig, that's quite a colour choice!
smurf: Next question. Some of the LOKA minis would be great additions to a Nature army, The problem is you can't buy hem separately like on the kickstarter. Do you have any plans to let people buy the models seperatly or do you have something else in mind for the Nature faction?.
lagoon83: Regarding your question... it's all up in the air for now. Unless Ronnie knows stuff!
salagam19: Orcs will be my first all mantic army
tk421: @agtfos - Think we answered this earlier today.......
lagoon83: (which he undoubtedly does.)
daedle: Whoever was asking about Baldr's armoured battalion, it's 1420 points without any upgrades. You could easily get that to 1600 points with hem, or with a single extra unit. I recommend a couple more cannons.
sukura636: @Salagam19 Nice - grab some morax for conversion funtime!
badgertheking: When are we getting minis for the nature army list? I really want to build one but only use Mantic minis. The Loka minis look nice lagoon83: @gt3000 - Yes indeed! Best thing is to email me and we'll talk about it.
salagam19: using Army painter........but fancy some Grey Orcsies
agtfos: @dignity, I didn't, no.
ronnieatmantic: cypher - we could now launch a game or new product outside of KS - but what KS do is make each launch way bigger than we could without it. All the extra scenery for DZ is a great example. Instead of 2 sprues then more 12 months later - we can have 6 sets of diffeerent tiles within months of the main game launch. KS really helps us make bigger and more fun games and systems.
lagoon83: Regarding the forces of nature army - well, that's the sort of thing we might think about with the next Kings of War kickstarter...
drjonarg: Will we see more units or more races for KoW ?
salagam19: go0t have some of those lovely Ogre types inthere too. That's why I love the mantic approach. No tying you down to specifics
cyphertheory: @ronnie you do them very well, and each has improved on the previous, that shows you are learning lessons each time, which is great!
sukura636: Looking at 2014, what are the three most exciting new things you can see coming up?
badgertheking: ANy plans on making some KoW scenary?
salagam19: ~Warpath KS?
ronnieatmantic: smurf / Badgeking - we have the sets from Loka and will look at making them available individually. But we do hope to be getting round to the nature army in the not too distant too
salagam19: KoW scenery...lalready answered I think
vonjunk: Speaking of a KOWks perhaps a Twilight Kin, Abyssal Dwarf, Nature, Abyssal hard plastic troops?
lagoon83: @sukura - Deadzone release! Project X! The other secret project!
gt3000: Awesome! Thanks guys. The MA update looks fantastic. I have one other question about MA then I'll kindly quiet down in my corner. Assuming we don't meet our goals of 1 million, will you be still pushing stretch goals post-KS with the Pledge Manager? It feels like a lot of people will be dropping dosh AFTER the deadline not before.
redfox4242: I am planning to back a Warpath KS, hoping that Mantic is planning to do such a Kickstarter
tk421: FYI draft of the tournament pack should be done soon....
somegeezer: Secret project?
smurf: Cheers Awesome to hear.
ulgurstasta: How confident are you in your future hard plastic kits?
cyphertheory: oh +1
salagam19: Super secret project x
ronnieatmantic: cypher - thanks. We really take learning seriously and we listen to the community. - it think thta is a big part of what makes Mantic.
bidge: Have you started planning for your Scottish trip? The Scottish community will go wild to have the Mantic boys at one of our cons. Thats an open invite to the BoW team as well. Biggest 2, I still be believe are Carroande and Claymore.
salagam19: plus 2
Me: @lagoon: Good job my name isn't greysquig! And that's fine, sounds like it's a bit further down the road. Definitely excited for the Nature army though, dozens of mantic unicorns will be mine!
salagam19: one of the best things about mantic.....dare to share info
redfox4242: awesome, squig
bidge: Will you be moving away from Restic over time and switching all / most of the range to the newer material that your a doing the Loka / Mars Attacks mini’s in.
lagoon83: @gt3000 - Depends on where we end up We usually get a couple of extra stretch goals in via paypal at the end!
grotham: @scarletsquig and this comes from the creator of the MLP fan list??
daedle: bidge, the new restic pieces coming out are fantastic quality lagoon83: @bidge - Sounds like a plan! We'll have to get up there at some point.
goban: Ta for the DZ rules. Any plans on a KoW new rulebook or mini rule book ?
ronnieatmantic: vonjunk - KOWks perhaps a Twilight Kin, Abyssal Dwarf, Nature, Abyssal hard plastic troops? - yes exactly that where we are ehading. I am really keen to get back to tooling lots of sprued plastic base untis for lots of armies.
cyphertheory: @ronnie great to hear, more undead quality please!
redfox4242: Outstanding!
sukura636: It's not possible to express in text my excitement
gt3000: Nice. I'm glad to hear that. General KS question and this would pertain to the upcoming Warpath KS as well. Do you guys ship out Mantic Points with your orders or is that a strictly post-KS retail box thing?
winterwolf: How are things looking for hard plastic vehicles? How close are you to being comfortable getting them on sprues? Wondering about a WP KS timeline...
dinoman87: HURRRAY! Can't wait
daedle: @Ronnie, would it be feasible to move more mini production in-house?
redfox4242: I need some Mantic tanks
salagam19: I do think each of the armies needs the hard plastic kits for base troop types
imhotepmagi: Are there plans to revamp some of the core army lists soon? Some units (i.e. Seaguard) are just plain unusable.
lagoon83: Bidge - Regarding your question about materials, I think we'll stick to restic for most stuff as it's better for multi-part models... I think. As you might have noticed, though, it's getting better all the time!
ronnieatmantic: gt3000 - yes, I would be happy to do that. We should have a counter on the site and just keep adding to it - is anyone technically minded out there? Get in touch! (and thanks for the nice words reMA - i think it looks great and it plays so well, fun and fast!
johnp: Big Landing craft for DZ :-)
bidge: @ James / Lagoon we can talk about the different shows after MA if you want.
daedle: @imhotepmagi, Alessio is going to be working on an update to the rulebook which will rebalance things imhotepmagi: Good to hear!
ronnieatmantic: goban - some more suppliments first i think to expand the world and armies.
thudgutz: Restic has come on loads, the Giants in Ultimate are just so clean
lagoon83: @gt3000 - Mantic points are a retail thing only, I'm afraid! You get an awesome deal as it is with Kickstarter bidge: @ Lagoon Im happy with, just curious because MA and Loka are using the other material.
somegeezer: Any plans for KoW halflings?
lagoon83: @bidge - that would be wise!
biggreenj: @ ronnie have you guys any ideas when the first DZ parcels are being sent out??
dragqueeninspace: Are you going to be pushing for 1800pts as the tournament standard?
salagam19: Can you get Blood of Cerillion out please. I'm short of rerading material
lagoon83: Salagam - It's gonna be a Christmas e-book release, along with our Deadzone compilation!
ronnieatmantic: winterwolf - very happy with straight line tooling - which is 1/2 of warpath range - and making good progress on organics. I think we will have it nailed in 6 months.
gt3000: Of course but you guys are renown for your awesome generosity, and I just want you guys to know that you are fantastic. You're by far my favorite wargames company bar-none. @Ronnie I'm gonna hold you to that counter!
redfox4242: I want to buy Blood Stone of Cerillion. I keep looking for it.
ronnieatmantic: mantyic points are a treat for retail buyers - the KS boy and girls cannot get everything thudgutz: Just out of interest who's in charge of the MA Kickstarter while you guys are on here?
salagam19: DZ compilation out at Xmas too? For non KS'ers
salagam19: ?
Me: I mainly like the pricing the newer restic kits, £20 for 20 KoW infantry puts them back into the affordable bracket. There have been a lot of unexpected price reductions this year which have been great.
lagoon83: thudgutz - Chris runs our Kickstarters, so he's over there now!
lagoon83: We just help out daedle: @Ronnie, any plans to "digitise" Mantic points? I keep losing mine!
lagoon83: Salagam - yes indeed! Kickstarter backers will get it earlier.
ronnieatmantic: salagam - great idea - James - let's get it up on kindle, or have you done it already?
redfox4242: digital mantic points sounds like a great idea
salagam19: Good stuff James
smurf: Next question . I'm guessing that the Zzor will be a proper faction in the Warpath universe in the future(Which is great if i'm right). However would there be any plans or possibilities of having them available in both Warpath AND Kings of War? They would be a pretty unique race to bring into the fantasy genre.
ronnieatmantic: daedle - we should - but we are all 'technologically challenged' at mantic! seriously we are rubiish!
lagoon83: Ron - It's planned for Christmas day on Kindle and other ebooky things sukura636: I'll ask my programming mates...
ronnieatmantic: smurf - nice idea. no plans at the mo - but who knows how these things develop.
cavatore: Yawn... what time is it? ;-)
mythril: I love the idea of digital mantic points
badgertheking: ZOR IN KOW WOULD BE EPIC
ronnieatmantic: sukura - great!
lagoon83: Kings of Z'zor?
grimslath: Great idea with Z'zor in fantasy! Would like that. Can imagine them being like the Cho'ja in Raymond E Feist's Midkemia novels...
salagam19: Alessio!!
tk421: Cavatore, where are the Dwarf Gyrocopters?
daedle: @Ronnie, what do you think to the idea of doing both a Warpath "Mass Battles" and separate Warpath "Actually use some tactics" version to please both camps?
badgertheking: Morning Alessio
lagoon83: We have a Cavatore in the house! Hi Alessio salagam19: @alessio you need the nobel peace prize
sukura636: oooo
smurf: The Zzor would be a real threat those bloody angels at least!
salagam19: I think ~KoW will bring peace and harmony to my games club
bidge: Grimlash The Cho'ja rock
cavatore: Noble peace price? Is it for being able to stand Ronnie?
;-)
redfox4242: + 1 for Nobel Peace Prize to Mantic
ulgurstasta: Good question, how the development of warpath rules going?
salagam19: unite a disparate group of gamers once more
agtfos: Hi allesio
splizat: Everyone on here who hasn't already should go make a pledge for the Mars Attacks Kickstarter
ronnieatmantic: grim - I got my magician book signed by Raymond E Feist about 2 months ago _ I was really tempted to ask for a licnece there and then!
grimslath: @Bidge Giant samurai ants FTW!
lagoon83: splizat is entirely correct, of course.
cyberbob2k: Any plans to create an Epic Warpath variant in the future, or Warpath in SPAAAAAAAACE? (names subject to change)
salagam19: I'm not in yet on MAKS lagoon83: Alessio - care to join us in this lovely shade of blue?
salagam19: soooo tempted
tk421: Ronnie, have you read Old Mans War.....
dignity: @alessio - Might6 i sujest changing your text colout to sky blue to make it stand out?
winterwolf: I second daedle's comment. Having rules for both mass battles WP and mid-sized between DZ and mass battles would be great
mythril: Strong female leaders/heroes ftw cavatore: Sure, how do I turn blue?
grotham: hold your breath grimslath: @Ronnie - Lucky! Would love to meet him. Been one of my fave authors for years. Imagine a Riftwar miniatures game *drool*
sukura636: Top left, ink dropper
lagoon83: You've got a colour picker just above the chat window - second icon along.
bidge: Allesio. Switch to team sky blue
dignity: second symbol on the top of the chat window
ronnieatmantic: daedle - DeadZone is the tactical game - individuals are the units. that allows Warpath to be a mass battle game. We will test it and play it until it is brillaint- and so whatever way you want you can use your models to play in the universe
cavatore: I'm felling blue...
badgertheking: @alessio - Basilions angels have no individiual choice, is this a sign of things to come with all lists like Drakons,werewolfs etc?
cavatore: Too blue...
ronnieatmantic: salagam - pleaee join us, we have bugs at $500k and we have been waiting all week to get them!!!
agtfos: @allesio, can I have a KOW rule ruling please?
cavatore: This blue!
dignity: yup lagoon83: There we go!
lagoon83: Go team blue.
smurf: that's the one!
somegeezer: By Jove he's got it. Team blue
grimslath: MA kickstarter is worth it just for the Dreadball team. Love that idea!
drjonarg: Will Mantic do any other scale than 28mm?
tk421: @agtfos....... ITS ONLY FOR MINCERS!!!!!
ronnieatmantic: grim - indeed. I always used to dream about who they could cast in the movie - great pub game!
cavatore: Too fast!!!!
salagam19: I so want to but funds this side of xmas limited. Want in on DZ having missed that KS and have wants and needs for KoW armies
sukura636: Get cracking alessio - 3 questions for you already agtfos: i want to hear it from him tk421: lol lagoon83: Alessio - Just grab a question and answer away. If we miss anything, they can ask again!
ulgurstasta: @Cavatore I have heard rumors that you guys have experimented with using movement trays in Warpath?
cyphertheory: We all have a favorite game, even if we collect and play many lines, which game would you say is your favorite or appeals to you most from your ranges?
cavatore: @badger BAsileans no individual choices afaik ronnieatmantic: team blue, team blue, team blue!
bidge: Loving where Mars Attacks KS is going. Whats you favourite mini / kit of that campaign so far. For me its the burning cattle. (but I still need that shrink ray and 6-10mm humans to go with it!)
ronnieatmantic: i hope there is no blue on blue action!
thudgutz: Are we any closer to a DZ wave 1 confimed list yet>
badgertheking: afaik?
mythril: Will Ronnie play Martians or humans?
sukura636: as far as I know*
cavatore: Yes, movement trays in Warpath would be a good idea methinks...
badgertheking: thansk
salagam19: Martians wearing fish bowls on their head....mind blowing quality
drjonarg: @ronnie lol lagoon83: bidge - I'm loving the big stompy robot, personally bidge: @ Allessio us the pop out function it makes it a BIT easier to read.
ronnieatmantic: I really want the shrink ray and 6mm humans - I will aks again! drionarg - not for a while. We through about it - but 28mm is the best scale - jus tthe right mix for what we are trying to do.
drjonarg: thx
cavatore: afaik = as far as i know... I think
sukura636: Yep
salagam19: @alessio......movement trays in Warpath.....square or odd shapes?
ronnieatmantic: Alessio - we spoke breifly earlier about your forum section. could you tell everyone a bit more? Also we need a name for the forum section (like command post) ideas/suggestions please
cavatore: the pop out function?
ronnieatmantic: Martians all the way!
sukura636: top bar *popout*
sukura636: opens this in a larger window
mythril: Ack ack
salagam19: errr.... The Command Tent!
sukura636: its actually clearer
dignity: in the top bar alessio
cavatore: popped out!
agtfos: @cavatore, goblin big shield, mincer only? Or other goblin foot units too? Thanks
smurf: mincer only
ronnieatmantic: the saucer - it is just such a lovely kit
salagam19: thank the lord....I was going blind rweading the small text lol cavatore: Yes, we were thinking of creating a section in the Mantic forum that is an 'official' place for rulesy stuff.
somegeezer: re Alessio's forum section: court martial?
lagoon83: Cavatore's Cavern?
ronnieatmantic: salagam - nope! alessio - have you? well put the mouse back in the house!
goban: @ cavatore: Will the future of Warpath be like Bolt Action? PS congrats on that great game
dignity: judge jury and alessio cavatore?
daedle: @agtfos, every KoM unit has gives -2 to hit for cavalry and gets +10/+20 attacks for Regiments/Hordes. And Inspires itself and every unit with 12"
cyphertheory: Perhaps you dont want people messing aroung in cavatore's cavern!
mythril: I though the microwave was what you use for court martial
drjonarg: @cavatore can I ask about the 12 dice limit ronnieatmantic: somegeezer - now thta is getting there. i like that.
cavatore: Title I was thinking something like The Great Library of Mantic...
ronnieatmantic: Lagoon - eerm no!
sukura636: Ohh I like that one, the great library
somegeezer: jorghe: there is some kind of cool story behind the decision to buy mars attack license?
cavatore: I suspect Warlord might not like if Warpath was a BA clone...
smurf: "Court of Cavatore" is the best :p
johnp: Alessio's Answers
bidge: Judgment Day? for the forum
badgertheking: Charecters like the elf Mage queen seem to high in nerve in my opinion. WHy would she take a charge from 20 orcs and stilll hold? Any plans to make character nerves lower or always get tripple attacks against like with warmachines?
ronnieatmantic: cypher - exactly my thougths!
thudgutz: Alessio, how long is an average game of Loka supposed to take, I missed out on the KS but am hoping to pick up a copy at the Openday (it will be available wont it)?
cyphertheory: lol Me: Clear plastic and small footprint movement trays could work I think. Especially if they were optional game aids rather than required by the rules. 40k players will take a bit of convincing to use them.
salagam19: @alessio Any thoughts on allowing characters to join units?
ulgurstasta: I can see it having issues with terrain
cavatore: yes, Loka should be available at the open day, a game can last a few minutes (if someone loses before they move...) to maybe max an hour...
drjonarg: Kings of Rules, or Rules of War?
redfox4242: clear plastic movement trays is an intriguing idea
tk421: Rules of War
daltoncalford: @cavatore, Allessio, have you ever considered a rule where in KOW, a attacking unit that rolls very low (say a one or two) on their attack dice, takes a point of damage IF the defending unit has a special rule that specifies this? This would be good for defensive vs offensive units
cavatore: no charatcers joining unit is the devil!
badgertheking: haha
bidge: @ drjonarg I like "Rules of War"
thudgutz: Alessio, you can lose before you move.......hell I've got to get you to give me a demo game
lagoon83: @thudgutz - if I'm playing, it doesn't last very long. Realised when I came to play it that I s*** at chess.
salagam19: @alessio LOL :-)
sukura636: Big rules headache I imagine.
ronnieatmantic: jorhe - they contacted us after Dreadball KS and they said they liked what we did. Next time i was in the USA I went to visit them (in their very big posh offices in NY). they have lots of big main licences and MA is a bit off field for them. We got on really well and I knew we could do a good job. I read the cards, comics and knew we were in.
johnp: i like the idea of clear trays
dignity: JAmes play me a game we'll be there all day ):
dignity: bombkangaroo: Daltoncalford; So Gabriel Seth's Ferocious Instincts?
tk421: Old Mans War and The Wheel of Time would be brilliant licenses to get hold of......
grimslath: Unfortunately I have to go but its been great chatting to you guys and seeing the answers to all these questions (and whoop for a Twilight Kin kickstarter! ). Also, heartfelt thanks for making the hobby affordable and enjoyable again. lagoon83: bombkangaroo - sounds like a country rock band...
cavatore: interesting idea for KOW, attacking units taking dmg could be a fun rule...
bombkangaroo: When characters joint units, the unit often becomes ablative armour for the character
smurf: @ Ronnie, James & Alessio. What is your favorite KoW factions and why?.
ronnieatmantic: thud - yes it wil and the KS start shipping next week!
lagoon83: @grimslath - Thanks for joining us!
daltoncalford: Hey Bombkangaroo, these where rules that where discussed on the original forums before the upgrade and may have even been discussed more recently
thudgutz: Ahhh got to drop off now, will be good to meet you all at the Open Day (and collect huge boxes of Deadzone stuff too).
sukura636: Hope the leaving people had fun ronnieatmantic: loka - I have played in a 1 move checkmate game - thta was fun seeing someone mugged!
lagoon83: @smurf - Good question! I love the Undead because, well, I'm a fan of cheesy horror movies, and they open the doors to so many awesome modelling opportunities. And they rock in the game!
cavatore: my favourite faction is Undead, I love the models, and I love the way the army plays... and one day I might get around to have my army painted...
ronnieatmantic: grim -thanks, best wishes
johnp: When is the open day and are there any tickets left @
lagoon83: @thudgutz - See you there badgertheking: harecters like the elf Mage queen seem to high in nerve in my opinion. WHy would she take a charge from 20 orcs and stilll hold? Any plans to make character nerves lower or always get tripple attacks against like with warmachines?
lagoon83: @johnp - 30th November, plenty of tickets left! Let me find a link for you.
grotham: @lagoon how many pathfinders are there now?
vonjunk: Are you guys planning to do anything for 3D printing? Looks to be amazing technology, but it will take careful planning to adapt and thrive.
smurf: Both of you liking undead is interesting :p
cavatore: good idea about individuals suffering triple attacks... will ponder
lagoon83: @grotham - Dozens of them! Everywhere!
tk421: we are legion....
cyphertheory: What are you most eager to change/improve as soon as the timing is right?
bidge: Do you plan on any more boxed games, like Project Pandora or Dwarf Kings Hold?
johnp: Thanks Lagoon
bidge: Will their be a fantasy range of buildings coming out similar to the Deadzone / Mars Attacks line.
lagoon83: @smurf - Considering how different we are games-wise (I am no tactical genius!), I think it shows how KoW armies can appeal to a huge variety of people cavatore: nothing, it's perfect just the way it is (Bridget Jones music starts)... ;-)
bidge: Will there be lots of vehicles coming out for Warpath, possibly during the KS?
ronnieatmantic: smurf - Dwarfs - straight and abyssal, but oh my the ogres are calling to me in a big way
dignity: my thoughts on character combat would be to give those who are bad in combat a break away rule giving up there next turn to run away from the bog block of infantry thats about to munch them
daedle: @grotham, there's about 40 on the list but not sure how many are still active
drjonarg: A agh, If characters get tripled they will be overpointed
lagoon83: Steady on, Alessio. Let's not turn this into a rom-com. Just yet.
cavatore: I think cavalry might need a little help...
ronnieatmantic: thud - see you at the open day
johnp: @ bidge yes there will be KoW building
lagoon83: @johnp - Here you go! http://www.manticgames....html grotham: @daedle I am active atleast. as active as I can........
bidge: @ John cool
mythril: Yay to KoW buildings
daltoncalford: @cavatore, the unit stats for KOW keep the wavering/route numbers within two points of each other - any thought of increasing or decreasing the spread based upon race - ie elves having one point lower on wavering while dwarves are one point higher, while route values stay the same? It would make the elves have more of a glass jaw ie it would be an easy stat change that would give the effects of certain special rules
smurf: I never pictured you as a bearded stuntie Ronnie :p.
johnp: Many thanks Lagoon
cyphertheory: @mythril that's not Mythril of youtube fame is it?
dinoman87: Will a castle be included with the builds for seiges?
mythril: Yep
cavatore: oooohhhh I didn't know you could post links...
forevermore: Will we see an update to the army lists soon now that we have had a chance to find out which units work and which don't?
sukura636: Actually, I;ve heard wonderful things about using a 'disengage/break away' rules for scouts.
just throwing it out tehre
agtfos: Logging off now. Thanks guys.
bidge: @ Mythril Hey honey,
badgertheking: @daltoncalford Great question ronnieatmantic: bidge - yes, definately the plan
cyphertheory: @mythril great! keep up the excellent vids, liked your recent stuff
mythril: Hey bidge xxxx
cavatore: @dalton, yes, that's something we have considered...
lagoon83: It's a veritable who's-who of Youtubers in here mythril: Thanks cypher
cavatore: disengage? nope never heard, no really!
splizat: Does Mantic plan on doing with any other licensed games after Mars Attacks?
cavatore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX1zFtGW0XE ronnieatmantic: smurf - fraid so! northern!
cavatore: Whoops, I accidentally typed a link in...
dragqueeninspace: why woulkd a character need a break away rule when they are not locked in combat and can move any direction?
salagam19: Next Mantic Podcast
lagoon83: WHOOPS HOW DID THAT HAPPEN you clumsy so-and-so Alessio smurf: Next question. Are there any plans in the next edition of Kings of War to change Special rules like, Elite, Vicious and Regeneration to vary depending on unit size?. Or to perhaps work similar to Zap!(n). So having Regeneration(5) on a unit?
blackspiral: We need some cool vehicles in Deadzone such as drop ships and APCs.... Deadzone2 kick starter?
salagam19: colour me intrigued Alessio!
johnp: So are there any teasers that you guys can let us know about
warzan: Hello Guys!
cavatore: so how's the breakaway rule supposed to work?
salagam19: Tarot cards....
sukura636: Oh clumsy alessio posting links to secret things salagam19: Poker night mantic style
lagoon83: @blackspiral - Steady on! We're only just getting the first one done!
badgertheking: I played a siege battle a few weeks ago and it was awesome fun. Any pllans to expand the rules? A sidge supplement? (mantic fort and ladders would be awesome)
salagam19: Snap?
blackspiral: Can never have enough!!!
cavatore: special rules changing in points/effect with size is something we are considering...
cyphertheory: @BoW - do you think you could produce a video on how to best work and tidy up restic? i know some people struggle with it and treat it in a similar way to plastic
ronnieatmantic: splitz - we hope to look at 1 every year to 18 months. All next year is our own works - so maybe 2015 will see one. We are also looking to work with other designers to heklp them launch their projects (like Loka with Alessio)
lagoon83: @cyphertheory - Sounds like a plan! Justin, what says you?
sukura636: It would hopefully make scouts pulling away from combat more effective - pulling off hit and run attacks by being able to move further away than a standard unit would.
ronnieatmantic: yeh James - next mantic podcast?
warzan: @cyphertheory We will add that to the list and see if we can produce somthing shortly
johnp: I second that for vehicles :-)
cyphertheory: good stuff winterwolf: Will WP have near-final troop lists and list construction hammered out for new "3.0" lists before final DZ and MA surveys are out :p
cavatore: I see, moving back faster after attacking someone... consider that rule stolen!!!
lagoon83: Ronnie - Might work better on video. Maybe BoW could get their resident French genius to do something?
ronnieatmantic: badger - i would love to do a pladtic castle - and if you have a castlle you may as well have some rules....
mythril: We need to get Ronnie doing a screen chat again, I love it when he gets leaky
salagam19: Got it!
sukura636: Oooh yes - are there lists for DZ forces in WP on their way, and if so when?
salagam19: 52 card pick up!
lagoon83: Mythril - There's an image none of us needed.
mythril: Lol cavatore: no, it's not great when he gets leaky!
ronnieatmantic: cypher - good idea. we have moved to abetter material recently too and that looks to have helped.
daedle: .
lagoon83: Oh, hang on! There's Warren. Hi Warren! badgertheking: @ronnie sounds..... Intresting sukura636: i'll dig out the actul topic, for appropriate credit
johnp: @ Ronnie i see your wetting ppls appetite
ronnieatmantic: winterwolf - good idea. we will certainly aim for that
cyphertheory: @ronnie thats good to know, I did have some trouble with my revenant knights
salagam19: Do we have to thank Warren for getting drunk at Salute?
somegeezer: +1 for the new restic. DB S3 minis infinitely better than S2
grotham: @ronnie maybe two different castles in the DZ terrain style? a stone and a wooden one?
sukura636: Yah, new material is really good. My teratons required so little work!
tk421: I believe the term we use now is 'doing a Ronie' when something is leaked....
lorgaroz: lol lagoon83: Oooh, can you imagine a fantasy stronghold in the same style as Deadzone terrain?? Having played around with the sci-fi stuff that makes me ridiculously excited.
daltoncalford: @cavatore, Have you given any consideration for special rules for units named troop/regiment/horde? Currently there are troops in some armies that have the same or more models in it than regiments or half regiments in other armies. For example, in one of our house rules, troops are considered skirmish fighters, so they are easier to overwhelm with a fighting force - ie if attacked by a regiment or horde and destroyed, the attacker can move and attack again as per the individual rules
ronnieatmantic: mythril - did you joun on FB today?
smurf: Next Question. At next years Clash of Kings is there any chance anyone from Mantic could spare a day in their hectic schedule and actually play in the tournament? . It would be a great opportunity to play the guys behind the game!.
bidge: Dang did not even know about the FB one today
salagam19: @Alessio.....come on.....info needed!
lagoon83: @smurf - I might see if I can make it along! Could be hilarious. I s*** at tactical play.
sukura636: My sink is 'doing a Ronnie' cavatore: I would love to play in the tournament!
lagoon83: blimey.
mythril: Missed it noooooooo
Me: @badger: Could even have modular DKH dungeon sprue that can be vertically built into 3d layouts or an entire castle. :p
lagoon83: I got censored!
lagoon83: that was a "uck", not anything else salagam19: er Alessio....didn't you win some big events in your time?
daedle: @lagoon83? Really? I think you're great! Not turning those mummies to face the flankers was a fabulous tactic
mythril: Do I need to go hunting
cavatore: I'm not sure I understand the question dalton...
smurf: I'll be holding you guys to that now :p.
somegeezer: @lagoon sure [nods]
ronnieatmantic: some geezer - glad to hear that . we were pleased.
cyphertheory: @scarletsquig that would be very useful if still modular!
ronnieatmantic: grotham - stone and wood - nice idea too
sukura636: IF HP terrain comes for KoW, you must have dwarvern holds.
lagoon83: @daedle - I'm gonna remove one component from your DZ order for each word of slander :p
cavatore: i won one Italian Warhammer GT and two GW staff tournaments...
igillies: @daedle lol johnp: got to say i get the warm fuzzys with this like i used to with 'other' games Its great to feal part of something other than being kept in the dark
grotham: I can give you more ideas Ron. My mad and crazy brain is filled with em.
salagam19: ....al washed up now though ;-)
daedle: @lagoon, luckily I've not said anything that's not true yet tk421: @Smurf.... Is not playing us Pathfinders fun enough for you?
lagoon83: HA
bidge: @Lagoon You can add anything you take out of Daedles to mine. I'm sure he won't mind. ronnieatmantic: smurf - last year becuase rthere was prize money I baned Mantic staff from playing (they are very competitive!) would you be happy top play them?
cavatore: who's Al?
smurf: Ofcourse!
salagam19: sorry...All.... :-)
cavatore: ...and I'm not Mantic staff!!!! ;-)
grotham: OH GODS!!!! @cavatore you need to make a viking race for KoW!!! not human but half bear half human style
salagam19: is that Moonlight Sonata on the teaser trailer
lagoon83: Ron - how about we can play, but if we win (HA!) we donate the funds to charity?
sukura636: Hahahaha
arcaneshield: Would really love a stronger North American presense.
daltoncalford: @ cavatore, you have units with troop in the name, but, for all intents and purposes, the name is irrelevant as you have troops with 20 models and regiments with 10 models (half regiments). So, there is no game difference between the two. So, why not have some rule that more reflects the tactical differences between troops and regiments
cavatore: yup, moonlight sonata...
dignity: ok gents im off i'll leave you with @warzan have fun ronnieatmantic: sorry Mythril - did you send me a freind request today on FB? I got one.
forevermore: will we be seeing an update to the army lists before KoW 2.0?
jorghe: @cavatore: you should tell us when you will be back there in Italy! Now that we have our own pathfinder we can arrange a tournament with u! smurf: Sounds like we have some VIP's confirmed for Clash of Kings next year then? :p
bidge: +1 Lagoon on charity
mythril: +1 to you guys winning for charity
lagoon83: @arcaneshield - We're working on it! Starting to recruit Pathfinders who want to spread the word...
warzan: %Thanks @dignity!
ronnieatmantic: cavatore - you were yound (and horrid) in those days
lagoon83: Night Justin!
tk421: @Smurf. Of course we are allVIP's
johnp: +0ne here
ronnieatmantic: grotham - email me - these days everything is possible!
smurf: ^^
daedle: @Ronnie, all your staff are competitive?!? Even James?!?
mythril: I sent a g+ request! I've been your friend on fb for a while
cavatore: I was, that's the key to winning tournaments! The eye of the tiger'!
cavatore: Not often back in italy...
salagam19: Well I might be tempted to re-enter the competitive arena.
mythril: I finally worked g+ out a little
salagam19: But no tigers
ronnieatmantic: Lagoon - that was my thinking - but then I saw Josh had an army with 24 (yes 24!) single drakon riders - and that was that!
bidge: The fluffs there for it, are you considering giving us an underwater race anytime soon for KoW and what direction will these take if you do or plan to do at this moment in time?
lagoon83: I shudder at some of the chat that goes on between Tim and Josh (our two tournament-heads) in the office...
cavatore: @dalton that sounds a bit artificial, if I get what you mean...
grotham: @Ron I already did a week or so ago. also took you up on your advice and test played it. It needs a lot of work, but the club found it most entertaining and enjoyable
sukura636: @salagem but what about the basilean tiger cavalry?
lagoon83: 24 Drakon Riders??? that's it, I'm hiding his lunch tomorrow.
salagam19: oh yeah :-)
mythril: I love the basileans the detail is amazing
daedle: lol mythril
johnp: Guys I would like to thank you for your time tonight and the fantastic work your doing keep it up ;-0 i will email you about pathfinders coming to my club and hopefully see you all at the open day unfortunatly these KoW orc wont paint them selfs
salagam19: the Basileans are on my to do list
cavatore: yes, units of single models need looking at...
mythril: The panthers are so sweet, so what's coming next for them?
ronnieatmantic: we need to get the clash of Kings organised. What were the veiws abut the cash prize? grea tincentive - or adding stress to a fun event? We could do a really cool trpohy instead (someone suggested something cool, but i forgot it!)
salagam19: Maybe only characters or super large monsters should be allowed to be on their own
cavatore: winner gets a painted army?
cyphertheory: @johnp +1 this is perhaps something GW needs to learn to do, being open to feedback doesnt mean it is all bad!
ronnieatmantic: g+ - that was it!!!
daedle: @cavatore, man imagine if you had a document in your possession written by some of the top tournament players which was 90% of the way to rebalancing KoW? tk421: You should have seen what the Evil Spaniard took in the 2nd ed rules of the game. Was it 15 cannon? Back when it was at Maelstrom....
lagoon83: @johnp - See you at the open day! Happy painting salagam19: @Ronnie ....great idea but ive seen no reports on how tense things got
lagoon83: @ronnie - was it the engraved Basilean men-at-arms shield?
mythril: Trophy and token cash prize would be cool
sukura636: Or the 7 assassins...
cavatore: rebalancing? You didn't see the earlier message about it being perfect?! ;-)
bidge: Product rather than cash. Fun though has to be the top priority over Power Gamers so overall needs to be trophy
badgertheking: I dont lke cash prize
smurf: i heard that document wasn't finished and still needed lots of play testing...
dragqueeninspace: characters on round bases y/n? corners chip so.
salagam19: I'd enter but woulkd be hogging lower tables. Mates at the club though would enjoy competing for that sort of money
badgertheking: makes people to stressted and competive
ronnieatmantic: johnP - thanks for coming on, now get painting!
drjonarg: Design you own character as a prize would be cool.
daedle: @Ronnie, I had some anecdotal feedback that the cash prize was off putting and was why some people didn't enter. Only small numbers though and all anecdotal
johnp: Will post pics up in the next few days ;-)
ronnieatmantic: cypher - it could have been a british gas on twitter moment sukura636: there are always wooden spoons for last place
salagam19: Painted units or army is good,
badgertheking: yeah actually having something in the game you invented would be an amazing prize]
mythril: Design your own character could result in a whole army eventually drjonarg
winterwolf: I like the idea of token trophy and product as prize versus cash
salagam19: Mantic vouchers would work too
tk421: Any thoughts on bringing out a Dwarf Flying Warmachine.......please....... with a breath attack.
cyphertheory: @ronnie lol i could imagine it now.. what body part do you recommend selling so I can upgrade to the newest army codex Me: @Ronnie - Have you heard of PDC tooling down in Wiltshire? Got some of their sprues, really happy with them, very quality stuff and they're looking for clients: http://www.pdcgaming.c...about ronnieatmantic: salagam - you'll see John Peace on those tables - I have never et anyone so determined to win - the wooden spoon!
jorghe: trophies or medals are the best prizes imho Me: (they're not paying me, I swear!)
cavatore: yes, I think only charcterrs/monsters and maybe single chariots going around on their own would be better. Those single models were supposed to be just a bit of fun, but then the evil spamming hit... I blame Josh!
lagoon83: @tk421 - I reckon there are other games where you could get one of those!
mythril: Cypher you have loads of fingers you could loose a few easy enough
cyphertheory: @scarletsquig I second that, those sprues from PDC were great
ronnieatmantic: drjon - nice idea for a prize.
cyphertheory: @mythril lol nah thats just for finecast characters. but I digress :p
mythril: lol cavatore: painted army! painted army!
dragqueeninspace: pdc stuff is all straight lines and simple gemometric shapers though that makes it a lot easier
aslskfan: Have some prizes for the top placers, but also some raffle prizes for the participants. Not everyone can win, but it takes many players to make it a better tourney....
cavatore: painted army! painted army!
tk421: yes but you miss the point. I want to use them in this rules set....... though proxing as a Bezerker Lord with wings of the Honeymaze and mounted works......kinda.....
salagam19: painted army woop woop
mythril: With mantic everyone is already a winner
aslskfan: Yes, a painted army would be a very cool prize..
sukura636: Whip up your own stats for the game
salagam19: raffle prizes.....spot prizes for biggest lose in one game that sort of thing!
bidge: The fluffs there for it, are you considering giving us an underwater race anytime soon for KoW and what direction will these take if you do or plan to do at this moment in time?
ronnieatmantic: daedle - yeh I ave had the same it was intended to tempt away some competitive player from - well you know - so they could see what a great game it was. But it didnt and just added a level of stress that parhaps didnt help the fun factor - that said with such a large amount of money about it was a brilliant atmosphere and people played in such a nice, fair way.
baragash: Ronnie & Alessio... my personal feeling is that we need more Fantasy with our Dwarves. Any plans or considerations for expanding that. Perhaps adding a cave lizard theme to the list, trogladytes as a "slave" race, <insert other ideas here>... cos at the moment they're "just" Dwarves and it feels like there's a missed opportunity to do something a bit more exciting than everyone else is doing with them at the moment
winterwolf: Painted army would be cool, but may be over the top
jorghe: @mythril: a mantic marketing nerd has already stolen your sentence grotham: @ron @james @cavatore. I will have to bid you a good evening. I need to turn my nose back into my painting so I am ready to spread the word of mantic the 30th of november
lagoon83: So guys, we had some questions on the Beasts of War thread - I might start throwing those open to Ron and Alessio if that's okay?
aslskfan: Yes, spread the prizes out and I bet you will get more players. They are taking a chunk of time to play.....
drjonarg: But then they won't match the ones I painted. mythril: ok I'm hooked!
ronnieatmantic: scarlet - will oook a tthe link now. thanks
lagoon83: @grotham - Pleasure chatting! See you soon.
lagoon83: @jorghe - You leave Chris alone Me: Awesome. dinoman87: Go ahead Lagoon83
jorghe: lol ronnieatmantic: yes, have spoke to them recently. nice people
winterwolf: @drjonarg - I would expect the painter to paint the army down to my level so it matched, if I won
winterwolf: :p
smurf: Even with Clash of Kings this year having such a large prize pool it was still a balanced army that won it, which does prove KoW's potential as a competitive game. cyphertheory: @bidge wait, is that Squidgy bidge of youtube fame also? it's community stars in here tonight!
lagoon83: A request rather than a question from noggin - this one looks like it's for Alessio. " I’d like Mantic to publish suggested base sizes for the models they don’t make. Most of the time it doesn’t matter, but for more competitive games it’s be great."
daedle: @Ronnie, can you confirm that you will never ever let a person called Mat Ward anywhere near your rules, background or balancing decisions?
aslskfan: Are we going to see Kings of War at Adepticon in 2014?? Nothing on the schedule so far.....
mythril: daeedle lol bidge: @ Cybertheory LOL It moi
cavatore: yes, I just finished the new FAQs for Cavatore's Cavern and it includes the base size thing
lagoon83: Awesome! Thanks.
tk421: Brilliant.....
salagam19: @ daedle literally lol bidge: @ Deadle +!
smurf: awesome alessio warzan: @daedle I think you will find that Matt Ward is one of the few left in GW who brings any fun to the game.
natarath: Hey guys
ronnieatmantic: baragash - I thin the brock riders have started that - and they have a king on giant brokk just sculpted - so i think we could dig deeper (pun!) with them in the future!
warzan: Everyone else works for Mantic, Warlord, Battlefront or Riverhorse tk421: lol cavatore: Or all of them at the same time!!!
salagam19: Brock riders are a genius idea
blackspiral: LOL @warzan
mythril: salagam totally
lagoon83: Ronnie, question for you from dinoman87:
"What are [you] currently working on miniatures wise for Kings of War and Warpath?"
cavatore: thanks! I told Ronnie badgers were better than bears!!
salagam19: Don't spread yourself too thin Alessio
aslskfan: very true warzan...
ronnieatmantic: smurf - balanced - exactly, be nice to keep it about the armies, not characters and heroes
smurf: mythril: i want bears too now
salagam19: naaah badgers!
bidge: Wolverines
aslskfan: Wolverines?
dragqueeninspace: Is any thing being done to make the dwarf list a little more varied? Currently they are just variations on a theme.
forevermore: will we see any new and updated army lists before the new book?
ronnieatmantic: aslskfan - yes, just been on with Hank earlier today.
mythril: aslskfan +10
salagam19: Yes, Ronnie, if you love Army Painter you must have at least one of each army nearing completion!
cavatore: Not unless it's in a book, I think
cyphertheory: @BoW/Warzan do you find it easier to be enthusiastic about reporting/promoting with companies such as Mantic when they are as open and accessible as this? Thanks to the BoW team for arranging this, its great
bidge: Not bears, not badgers, Wolverines. Its my personal fetish!
salagam19: +1 for BoW drjonarg: chariots, more chariots, I got a bunch of GW chariots and nothing to play.
aslskfan: Ronnie, awesome!
cyphertheory: @bidge Honey Badgers!
natarath: Hey Ronnie just want to say hello to you guys and Mantic team, I am a painter and have been nothing else in the hobby since I started in 1998. Because of the rules you guys have put into the Kings of War game I have actually gone out and started to play my own game with my son for the first time and it is the easiest game to pick up.
cavatore: I feel spread too thin, like butter sread over too much bread...
ronnieatmantic: At Adepticon -
Thursday - Kings of War Tournament (3:00pm - 6:30pm)
1500 points
3 Games
smurf: Next Question. Currently as KoW is about big groups of armies and as units are removed as an entire unit not as individual models. Most players tend to use Movement trays or just unitbase their units. I know that Mantic in the past was going to make Movement Trays but there was a tooling problem or something. Will you be looking to make your own sets of Movement Trays in the future?
cavatore: Plane ticket offered by Ronnie personally! Or not?
aslskfan: Ronnie, Fantastic!! Thursday it is. I will spread the word. salagam19: if I win the laottery, Im out to Adepticon next year.
badgertheking: http://www.counteratta...o.uk/ bidge: Can we have a Deadzone equivalent for KoW. Pllleeeaaaassseeeeee?
salagam19: @Ronnie....have you ever approached the D6 Generation podcast
lagoon83: @aslskfan - I seem to recall you were going to give Ronnie some advice on who to send to Adepticon... ronnieatmantic: what am I working on - just finishing my ForgeFather team (oops!) had an Abyssal army painted for me! and Dwarfs for KoW. Think I am going Rebs in DZ
salagam19: they are huge in the states
mythril: Skirmish rules for KoW universe would be very awesome
warzan: @cyphertheory We are enthusiastic about the industry full stop. But some companies make our jobs and love of the hobby a lot easier - And these companies deserve the success they work hard to achieve
badgertheking: http://www.counteratta...o.uk/ They would love the rights to make mantic bases and counters etc :0
cavatore: skirmish rules... interesting topic...
ronnieatmantic: D^ - dont think our paths have crossed. not recently - James- shuold we reach out to them>?
bidge: @ Warzan +1
lagoon83: I reckon we should!
tris: Ok giving up on trying to catch up, will cards for Warpath models in warpath at any point?
cavatore: the Cavatore's cavern will include new, additional rules too... and I think skirmish rules could be a good topic...
salagam19: James...yes!
ronnieatmantic: smurf - there is a story over a beer there.Our tool maker made them perfectly - but 2mm too small!
bidge: +1 Cavatore for skirmish
cavatore: Oh, and by the way, I'm continuing to call it 'Cavatore's Cavern' just because Ronnie hates it!!!
;-)
lagoon83: Just tweeted the D6 generation gang. Let's see what happens!
dragqueeninspace: sounds like specialist porn
salagam19: Along with Mantic Radio and podcast, they are great at spreading the qword. Amazed they haven't looked at Dreadball and Deadzone would be right up their street
cyphertheory: @cavatore - it echos!
cavatore: what echo?
lagoon83: @alessio - Oh dear. Ronnie's going to beat me tomorrow.
bidge: I liked Rules of War by whomever suggested it.
smurf: was the 2mm mistake on your end or theirs though? :p
ronnieatmantic: natarath - a great story. I am really pleased that it gives you time woth you son.
cavatore: echoooo echoooo echooo
daedle: @Ronnie, the decision to mount models on the 15mm round bases was a sound idea for KoW units and your brilliant bases there, but they're starting to become more of a hindrance, particularly for Warpath models. Are they going to continue or are you looking at dropping them for the more unsuitable models?
drjonarg: 1st post to cav's cav, will be about the twelve dice limit. aslskfan: Yes Ronnie, lagoon83 would be an awesome addition to the Adepticon team. :-)
cavatore: ...which is a great idea!
ronnieatmantic: badger - we are happy to work with good compaies to offer nice product to support the fgame. tell them to get in touch.
cyphertheory: @daedle I was thinking the same thing, I find I have to fill the gap between to the two bases
lagoon83: See Ron? Entirely unprompted, there.
ronnieatmantic: I will be doing something to cavatores cavern!
lagoon83: ...you heard it here first.
salagam19: After James' hard work on BoW week he deserves a ticket to Adepticon!
mythril: Oh myyyyy
somegeezer: aaaand the prize for tonight's most unwelcome mental image goes to ... Ron! bidge: Can we have a video hangout with you guys (preferably before) MA finishes, but not during Marvel Agents of S.H.E.I.L.D. cavatore: Oh dear... did you know my name means 'quarryman' in Italian? So Cavatore's Cave?
natarath: @Ronnie Hey mate I have been working with http://www.back2base-ix.com/ via e-mails here in Australia, to develop a new movement tray for the Kings of War range so far it is suggested to fit 10 - 20 - 40 man and it will also have a inbuilt wound counter. We are still working on it and the idea came up when I seen this post http://theminiaturespa...25298 . What do you guys think? and would you guys eventually try a hand at making something like this for the range?
salagam19: so long its not something in Cavatores Cavern...
Me: Careful, there are giant hippos in there.
cyphertheory: I think Cavatore's cavern should make an apperance in a story somewhere, almost like a mystics cave where knowledge is sought
mythril: scarlet squig lolololol
lagoon83: @Bidge - Interesting idea! Let me see what I can do.
salagam19: special terrain feature....
ronnieatmantic: smurf - they wer emaking it for themselves and we were goin gto bundle and sell with KoW - the 2mm was becuase ur bases dont shrink in the mould, so are 2mm bigger than all the others at 100mm wide. Just one of those things.
smurf: oof
ronnieatmantic: daedle - yes definatley something we will look at for warpath.
smurf: not as bad as space agencies mixing up cm and inches though heh ^^
dragqueeninspace: some of the old gw cav bases are 24.5mm wide each, that really adds up
ronnieatmantic: James - you dont want to go to chicago and talk games all day do you? nah!
lagoon83: @smurf - a very similar thing happened with our stand at Essen last weekend...
tk421: Are there any plans to release a dwarf Bulwalker metal arm for the plastic dwarfs?
salagam19: do zombies scream 'brainnnnzzzzzzzzzz'>?
mattl: i don't have anything constructive to add, i'll just say i think James is doing a great job (especially now we have him on reddit) and I'm loving going through all my Kickstarter stuff. I just can't wait for my big big big order of DZ stuff to come so I can start taking over the Northeast USA with Mantic goodness.
lagoon83: @ronnie - Yeah, sounds awful. Must be a dreadful burden on you - I'll gladly jump on that grenade.
daedle: @Ronnie, I saw an Ogre Warlock WIP when I visited. Do we have any ideas on a tentative release date, and are there Ogre Braves on the way at the same time?
lagoon83: Hi Matt! Go team reddit - now there are two of us reading r/mantic! ronnieatmantic: bidge - be great. when works? saturday?
mattl: i think there's more moderators than readers.
mattl: but yes
blackspiral: +1 James!! He does an amazing job quelling all the trolls!
salagam19: What is reddit?
lagoon83: Steady on guys, I'll need a fan club at this rate.
lagoon83: i.e. a large weapon for beating fans away
ronnieatmantic: drag - that is the shrinkage i was talking about.
mattl: http://mantic.reddit.com/ daedle: @lagoon, thank god you don't feel the need to beat the fans off
bidge: Sounds good by me.
mattl: ronnie -- what's the state of hard plastics, is Renedra a total write off now?
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - yes in Febraury with Brokkers (and new brokker kings) and adwarf Bombard - oh Alessio - we need rules for that!
lagoon83: Salagam - reddit is... well, it's a website! Hmm. Sort of like a digest of the internet. People post up links to interesting content, others then vote it up or down. The front page is a constantly changing sea of interesting stuff. Then there are subreddits, like r/mantic, where you can talk about particular topics cyphertheory: @bidge/ronnie that would be an interesting watch and a very good idea
daedle: ... MORE DWARF ARTILLERY?!?
daedle: Are you insane?!?
goban: @ Ronie Threaten (Treat) the lad with a one way ticket
cavatore: your wish is my command!
natarath: @BeastofWarTeam, thanks for the Kings of War week I was already a fan but when I scrolled through all the comments under all the vids you guys changed alot of peoples mind about Kings of War and it looks like it will start to pick up alot more here in Australia
salagam19: +1 for what natarath said
smurf: Bombard? O.o
smurf: mega heavy cannon?
ronnieatmantic: mattl - no =- we work well with Renedra but we cannot get all the peices to work properly in terms of quanties and bits on the mould. We still look at projects with them and they nearly did the building sprues for us.
salagam19: Have the prize giveaways been decided for KoW week? I was reslly hoping for one!
daedle: DWARF BROKKERS?!? DWARF GLIDERS?!?
lagoon83: Ron / Alessio - Serious question from the BoW comments, from user shinra:
"When will we see the Fish-men army that you jokingly mentioned some years ago?"
cavatore: bombard that fires brokkers... or maybe brokkers on badgers...
ronnieatmantic: Mattl _ I packed you DB order! glad it got there!"
salagam19: Free up funds for MAKS!
mythril: Fish women could give nice sculpt options too!
cavatore: fish men? I think Rick Priestley is gonna write those for KOW...
...
just kidding!
smurf: If it's dwarven artillery it should just shoot more cannons which in turn fire in midair :p.
cavatore: ni ce idea smurf!
radegast6: fisharmy sound interesting]
mattl: ronnieatmantic -- thanks. i have faith in seeing hard plastic again... the sprueless stuff is starting to look really really nice now, i'm glad that's a good alt.
aslskfan: @Ronnie, of course James wants to go to Chicago. He can run the tourney for us, talk games, and run KoW and Dreadabll demos! ronnieatmantic: daedle - yes and we will release with other KoW lines. We have dwarf on dwarf action in Febraury - so sometime after that I think.
cavatore: Movement 1 on dry land!
baragash: I think someone mentioned it before but a nautical/Atlantis themed army would be cool
Me: I assumed naiads in the nature list were fishmen.
tk421: @Ronnie - Would this be something you will be fielding against my Abyssal army then.... Did you just 'do a Ronnie'....
Looking forward to The War of The Beard in February. Must build more Golems.....
smurf: @Ronnie, James, Alessio. Since we now know your favorite Kings of War armies. What would be your ideal "Dream" Army or Race to be added to the Kings of War Universe? salagam19: 'The War of the Beard?' what is this/
bombkangaroo: Dwarf on Dwarf action? I guess I'm not the only wargamer who goes on those particular websites. :p
mythril: ad vs normal dwarves
radegast6: is it somethink like Movember?
lagoon83: @salagam - It's what we're not calling our Dwarf / Abyssal Dwarf release in February!
natarath: I would like a insect army, think of the heavy artillery could be big dung Beatles that open up their wings to hold troops as it slowly walks across the battlefield
natarath: lol cavatore: I designed an insect army once...
badgertheking: bring it to kow cavatore: something oriental... samurai insects?
ronnieatmantic: natarath - great point - the BoW guys have been brilliant giving us this KoW week and I hope it will bring in more people to the game - it deserves it. Tthanks Warren and all at BoW salagam19: Ah Dwarf on dwarf action! Great stuff.
radegast6: true - bravo for BoW cyphertheory: @ronnie 1+ BoW doing what BoW do well
mythril: reapeat choja at this moment
lagoon83: @smurf - Ooh, good question. From a personal point of view, I'd love to see an army of clockwork automatons. Like the Army of Oz in Return to Oz, but less naff. More like that guy out of Hellboy.
orinoco: @natarath the mars attacks giant bugs would come in useful for that
ronnieatmantic: fishmen already live in DZ - so I am sure they will appear In KoW soon
aslskfan: @cavatore but, the are in the Warpath universe.
salagam19: But who won the prizes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
mattl: ronnieatmantic -- we're all aware of BoW getting grief from GW. what are companies like mantic doing to push back against this attack on the wargaming press?
natarath: @cavatore hmm yeah that does sound good mate
natarath: they would be a good horde army and alot of conversion stuff to do as well
daedle: @Ronnie, for the not War Of The Beard, what releases are planned for the naughty dwarfs?
cyphertheory: @mattl interesting question!
natarath: @orinoco yes! great idea
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - I will be using the studio army - not becuase mine arnet painted of course - just ebcuase I thought you would enjoy that radegast6: how long is it takes to create model from idea to sprue?
lagoon83: @matt - We're actually going the opposite way. We're going to start invasively stalking the BoW crew until they pay us more attention. I'm heading over to the bushes outside Warren's house as soon as I finish this chat.
cavatore: Great idea Ronnie!
mattl: BoW seem to be the best in terms of professional output in our community. Maybe they could be hired to make videos for Mantic and their various KS projects.
ronnieatmantic: bombK - dont know what sites you refer too :0
crovax20: @Ronnie are there any plans for a dreadball gamemat? (The stuff you can buy for trading card games to play on)
blackspiral: LOL mattl: lagoon83: great, i think BoW is too important to lose.
mattl: need ten more sites like BoW, not less.
dais: @cavatore What are some of your favorite games of the modern era that influence you the most. (there have to be some games you didn't write out there)
lorgaroz: True!
warzan: @lagoon83 I'm on my way out with my tub of lube mate cyphertheory: @Mattl i think we should also remember all of the independants on Youtube that bring us excellent unboxings and product reviews
natarath: I have a stupid amount of Mantic Games products to paint :s ... It would be safe to say over 2,000+ models in my cupboard. And @Ronnie my wife caught onto the whole 'it is just a video in those cases' LONG AGO! does not work no more LOL lagoon83: Blimey.
cavatore: are there any games I didn't write out there?
;-)
smurf: A clockwork army would probably be my new favorite KoW army and i allready have 6 >.<. MAKE IT HAPPEN!
somegeezer: What are the plans for Dreadball season 4? Any new teams?
mattl: cavatore: no, only games you co-wrote with Rick.
dragqueeninspace: Have you thought of having a big promo game of KOW, maybe at a local club or suitable venue? Make a stunt out of it in terms of size. Maybe get epople to bring 2k of painted anything and line them up on a huge board.
daedle: @cavatore, yes there was a brilliant one called Starship Troopers which had some fantastic mechanics that could be borrowed mattl: cyphertheory: true. feel free to send me some accounts to look at (i'm mattl on the mantic forums)
cavatore: I love old MIlton Bradley stuff (Axis & Allies, Shogun...), but also cooperative boardgames... like Galactica...
radegast6: ronny@
ronnieatmantic: the naughties have the Golems, the restic Immortal guard, new army set (back to the normal price now ther eis much less or no metal)
mattl: daedle: i think it's called Judge Dredd now smurf: I think there is a huge game planned at totalwargamer, they also did one at the mantic open day
lagoon83: Galactica is anything but cooperative :p
cavatore: You're talking about the Avalon Hill Starshiop Troopers? I have it here at home and I do think it's awesome!!!
radegast6: ronnie - how long it takes to create model from first drawings to sprue?
cavatore: Starship...
daedle: The Andy Chambers one ronnieatmantic: radegast6 9 -12 months if the game exists, like a koW model - longer if the game is new too 18 months for a system.
mattl: cavatore: the short lived Mongoose one.
daedle: The other brilliant games designed called AC sukura636: Niiiiice
cavatore: Never actually played it... But I'd love to at least read it!
daedle: @Cavatore, can I drop you an email with some... ideas?
cavatore: I will try to get a copy from Andy C!
cyphertheory: @mattl was that the one that Andy did?
ronnieatmantic: natarath - they are coming in black for DeadZone (yes that is a 'doing a Ronnie') - they are much easier to disguise!
cavatore: ideas? what kind of ideas?
lagoon83: @Alessio - Let me know next time you're in, I'll bring my rulebook in for you salagam19: @Warzan......any big announcement for the army giveaways from KoW week?
natarath: hahaah thanks Ronnie
mythril: Drip drip
cavatore: Next Tuesday please!
ronnieatmantic: somegeezer - oh dreadball - we'll we have 3 more seasons planned...and 12 new teams!
daedle: @Ronnie, are there any Naughty Dwarf releases planned for the war of the beard?
somegeezer: Blimey.
lagoon83: I'll do my best to remember!
masteroftheforce: so Ronnie, when are we going to see Warpath releases? You did some great stuff with KoW...
mattl: cavatore: you can pick up the whole game for about $60 on ebay US.
lagoon83: Oh no, Ronnie's leaking again!
radegast6: @ronnie - are you thinking about opening official store ?
neves1789: 12 new teams, that's a bunch!
tk421: Starship Troopers by Mongoose was a good game. Will bring up a spare rule book I have for the open day.
Or you can just borrow James's......
Hes 'done a Ronnie'
ronnieatmantic: dragqueen - I would love to do that, a massive game . there was a 40,000 poit one a few weeks ago which was fun from the pciutres but a huge one would be brilliant.
natarath: @Ronnie what is happening with the Twilight Kin? not much but some heroes pics been released. Anything else happening with them?
aslskfan: @ohiohammer2011 would like to know when he can expect to see a Kingdoms of Men army.. mattl: lagoon83: when's the next mantic podcast coming out?
cyphertheory: @ronnie I always wondered about the cases vs boxes thing, was there a large difference in production costs? I have to be honest and say I never found them that useful :(
warzan: @salagam19 We think next weekend lagoon83: You know you're talking Kings of War when a 40,000 point game doesn't qualify as "big".
ronnieatmantic: the naughties have the Golems, the restic Immortal guard, new army set (back to the normal price now ther eis much less or no metal)
sukura636: @cyber theory - they transport most of my army around...
lagoon83: @mattl - It's been held up slightly with Mars Attacks - will be contacting Ben next week to get it set up!
cyphertheory: that is to say was it a decision that was a design choice rather than convenience
andy2d6: @Ronnie . I posted on facebook about buying some Basilean Paladins and converting them into Undead Revenants with two-handed weapons. You responded and ordered one of your underlings to put a deal up on the site, with bits specifically for what I wanted to create. No such deal appeared. :p
cavatore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX1zFtGW0XE
Oops I did it again!
;-)
warzan: lol lagoon83: Okay, I'm gonna ask: So Alessio, what's all this card stuff about, then? brennon: sneaky peeks tsk
sukura636: Alessio != Britney Spears
cavatore: Something to do with LOka...
lagoon83: @sukura - prove it.
tk421: Kings of War Big game, pics here
https://www.facebook.c...ype=3 mythril: Please not the red catsuit again
sukura636: Elemental, my dear Cavatore?
salagam19: @Warzan...have I ever told you how much I admire your erudite and informative transmissions on BoW, and how your tactical ability appears second to noe ;-)
smurf: Loka spell cards?
lagoon83: Just posted up some pictures of the new black Mantic cases over on our twitter page! www.twitter.com/manticgames
salagam19: So not Mantic Poker?
cavatore: Yes, Warren is a fine tactician...
ronnieatmantic: cyphrer - they allowed us to offer a range - we could not offer that if everhing was printed. I think they are great for db teams and DZ, but once you get bigger armies less so. was also about showing we were ready to try new things.
natarath: https://www.facebook.c...br_tf this is an Australian Kings of War facebook page if any of you Aussies are interested sorry for posting links
lagoon83: By "some pictures" I mean "a picture"
cavatore: are you not supposed to post links?
sukura636: Ooooo nice]
ronnieatmantic: andy2d6 - yes, they are terribly slow - emai, me directly and I will make it happen before xmas - or at least offer you a set via paypal!
natarath: unsure Cavatore?
goban: @Ronnie Boxes, would you consider boxws which would carry an army while the fig are glued to the movement trays
natarath: just thought maybe we are not allowed like yourself?
lagoon83: @andy2D6 - Sorry about that, thought it was being dealt with!
cavatore: I have a question for you guys... how many of you play/like KOW with a timer/chess clock/app?
masteroftheforce: wow
masteroftheforce: a timer on a wargame?
aslskfan: Waiting for my Loka chess clock to come...
cyphertheory: @cavatore not yet in my group
neves1789: Haven't tried it yet, but certainly will!
sukura636: I do when I can.
Played Mhorgoth's Revenge with 5min/ player
cavatore: KOW is designed to be played with a chess clock
ronnieatmantic: goban - we ned to get there if it to be a proper carrying solution for KoW armies
mattl: cavatore: i like it. we actually used it to break up our games and massive painting sessions.
lagoon83: @masteroftheforce - Yep! Rules are written with that in mind.
tk421: We use one, however after the 1st couple of games we found that we didnt get close to timing out.
mattl: play a 2 hour game, paint for 2 hours, play one more 2 hour game.
dragqueeninspace: I tried it but the game went so fast it made no difference
masteroftheforce: that sounds intense
ronnieatmantic: ok, I have to put the kids to bed. be back in abit
tris: Apart from using it for deployment I like the chess clock.
neves1789: how big were those games where the clock didn't run out?
smurf: I've found at least in the last 3 tournaments i used chess clocks at that they weren't really needed. If you're playing vs someone who knows what they are doing KoW is a very fast game. lagoon83: See you in a bit Ronnie!
cavatore: it is intense, and fair. No time wasting! and games last exactly as long as you want them to...
sukura636: Night Ronnie jrs!.
natarath: I think KoW with a timer would be great thing to ad to the game, would make it interesting, I am more of the type of person that likes to call a couple buddies around and drink and have some pizza. Very casual
tk421: It helped stop the usual players we hate to play against who love to 'talk' their games.....This one guy could make a turn last hours......
sukura636: Its ludicrous fun
badgertheking: if your not close to tiing out give yourselfs less time. Will make it even more strategic
smurf: That was at 1800 points with 1 hour per person and at 1600 with 45mins per person
lagoon83: @natarath - What's interesting is that it still works as a casual game experience with a timer - just adds a sense of pace!
masteroftheforce: it certainly would put pressure on, forcing quick decisions
natarath: @lagoon83 yeah I agree with that
dragqueeninspace: 1350 @ 45 mins per person
cyphertheory: Do you think you might look at games in different scales? 6mm/10mm/15mm seem to be more popular recently
mattl: cavatore: did you watch lagoon83 play KoW on BOW yet? I think he did rather well... and he gave a good demo of the rules.
sukura636: ahh 1350 you could easily do with30min per person
goreshade: I would like to play KOW in 10mm
cavatore: did not... link?
badgertheking: 15 mins per 500 points
sukura636: Its one Beasts of War of course!
lagoon83: Matt - Don't dob me in! I blatantly got loads of stuff wrong.
lagoon83: smurf: Also with timed games it does make it hard with specific armies. Armies with lots of normal missile units have one hell of alot of dice to roll. Where a small elite army's turn can be over very quickly.
salagam19: It was a bllodbath
cavatore: we could do KOW in 15 minutes as a charity thing at an event...
mattl: cavatore: http://www.beastsofwar...rt-1/ lagoon83: @cavatore - I like the sound of that! Maybe for the next open day. Speed KoW!
badgertheking: that would be fun haha
sukura636: I forsee many ogre armies
lagoon83: 15 minutes, buzzer goes, move along to the next opponent. At the end of the event, list your favourite opponents!
smurf: ^^
drjonarg: I play KoW in 10mm, works fine.
mattl: lagoon83: you inspired me to actually pull out the big rule book from the mountain of grey plastic in my apartment and read the fluff part finally.
sukura636: Good man!
cyphertheory: @lagoon83 played with starter boxes only to show them off
salagam19: the fluff is top notch...
lagoon83: Did you make sure to draw circles around all the bits I described wrong in the BoW videos? mattl: warzan: Beast of War demo games are very inspiring to watch. Same goes for the Bolt Action one.
masteroftheforce: those were some great videos on KoW week, lots of info
salagam19: lots of interesting areas to explore
neves1789: agreed, great introduction
tris: With timed deployment it led to one game having to be restarted before turn 1 as we didn't leave enough room to fit all the units on.
tk421: I liked the Goblin and Abyssal army lists most of all.....
cavatore: realizes that lagoon83 is James... and once more thinks that anonimity on the iontenet is a crap idea... seen my username?!?!?
lotan2012: agreed, watched all those intro vids and it got me to sign up to backstage!
mattl: I'll say it, if anyone here isn't on Backstage -- you should sign up and try it out. There's a load of extra stuff on there, and it keeps the lights on at Beasts of War.
mythril: i just love how easy it is to go in and play your first game, it shows how well the rules work
mattl: Backstage is awesome.
masteroftheforce: true
salagam19: how much is it?
lagoon83: Ha! I've had this since I first joined BoW years ago - asked a while ago if I could change it to something more recognisable, but this way just seemed easier I think lotan2012: for less than the cost of a usual supplemental you get mad hobby access!
salagam19: can you sign up for short term
mattl: less than $5 a month
mattl: it's month to month
natarath: I liked all the Armies so I bought all the box sets, though I am still waiting for my Australian Supplier Games Empire to stock the new humans to the range.
masteroftheforce: "a cup of coffee and a muffin"
somegeezer: ... or about the price of a pint in most places
mattl: i'd love mantic to include a professionally edited demo game video as a link in the box with all their minis.
masteroftheforce: that's how much Backstage costs
salagam19: I can cover that...what do you get for your money
mattl: for all their games.
mattl: a ton of extra videos, plus downloads and freebies
mattl: and a warm fuzzy feeling
cyphertheory: @mythril I remember that from your video, you were practically running it for yourself by the end of the game
lagoon83: Totally worth being a backstager.
salagam19: gotta love a warm fuzzy feeling
mythril: cypher totally
somegeezer: And Warren cooks your breakfast once a month masteroftheforce: exactly!
masteroftheforce: lol natarath: @mattl I agree 100% with you more demo games hosted by Mantic and just general weekly Batreps done by the Mantic Employees when ever you can
lotan2012: woop, i'll have eggs!
salagam19: So come on ALESSIOOOOOOOOOO
salagam19: what is this teaser?
warzan: We can stretch to bacon too you know mattl: And if think GW are being jerks to Beasts of War -- show them, and put your money where your fingers/mouth are and sign up to Backstage and support the good guys in all this.
cyphertheory: Yeah @Cavatore, Spill the beans!
salagam19: +1
somegeezer: Great. I'll bring the sauce next time
cavatore: It might be something to do with Loka... and a medieval card game... THE medieval card game... come on. don't make me say it...
dais: I'm guessing the teaser is LOKA poker
salagam19: ALLLESSIIOOOOO
salagam19: ALLESSSIIOOOO
wufai: I love the BOW demo on mantic games. Really helps new players like myself understanding the game
salagam19: ALLESSIIOOO
lagoon83: C'mon guys, with Ronnie leaking and Alessio spilling beans... Justin's going to be mopping it up all day!
cyphertheory: doooo it!
lotan2012: ....i dont know what to say Warren......you had me at bacon, is there another level of backstage where i get a cup of tea with it?
somegeezer: So POKA then?
Me: Hehe.. POKA mattl: A wild Italian game designer appeared!
daedle: @Warren, I emailed Ben about me and another Pathfinder playing a full game of KoW on camera for you guys so people can see how it's played with full armies. Any thoughts?
salagam19: ALLLLESSSIIIOOOO
mythril: Scarlet squig +1
salagam19: oh
cyphertheory: POKA ftw. @cavatore if it is a cardgame, you need a subset of drinking game rules
cavatore: No, not poker, poker was nborn this century... the game I'm talking about is ancient...
natarath: I had no idea how to play KoW until I seen the BoW demo game tbhlol, when I watched it I got interested in playing so I opened one of the boxes and started reading the rules
salagam19: I'll stop shouting
warzan: @lotan2012 You could always buy the annual pass - that would be a couple of cups of tea right there mattl: warzan: make daedle's thing happen!
smurf: @James, since Ronnie and Alessio are always giving away secrets, can we get a little something from you? It's about time you sprung a leak :p.
cavatore: starts with T... c'mon you can guess it...
dais: Afraid I'm not a playing card historian
salagam19: Tarot!!!!!
lagoon83: @smurf - Ask me a question!
smurf: Tarot
Me: top trumps!
daedle: @Cavatore, Tsnap?
jorghe: @ronnie: it's briscola? mattl: Turanga?
lagoon83: (And I'll have you know I gave something away on Mantic Radio a couple of weeks ago)
jorghe: @alessio, sry
lotan2012: Well, I'm still skint after getting into Dropzone after watching your vids but for christmas I may try!
cavatore: A couple of people got it right...
salagam19: I said that half an hour ago!
andy2d6: @Ronnie. which email address should I use for your personal inbox?
warzan: @daedle Yup @brennon was talking to me about that, sounds like a plan, when we have firmed up our dates for filming in Notts we'll drop you a line if we have a gap bidge: @ James warpath KS when? 1st quarter 2014?
cavatore: you did, but I ignored you...
;-)
smurf: I'll leave the leak up to you. Ronnie always seem to be bursting with surprises. You should just let off something you have bottled up :p.
tk421: So tonight we have found out there will be big releases in Febuary for Dwarfs and Abyssal Dwarfs.
There are 3 more seasons planned and 12 more teams for Dreadball.
There will be a living rulebook thing on the forum called Cavatore's Cave.
That Forces of Nature and Abyssal will be getting some miniatures in the not to distant future.
What else have we gleaned from these 3 tonight?
daedle: Awesome, cheers Warren lagoon83: @andy2d6 - Ronnie's away, but it's ronnie.renton@manticgames.com lagoon83: @bidge - Dunno! Honest answer. Next!
mythril: @ cavatore so we need cups then?
sukura636: Hard plastic everythings are on the cards, apparently
cavatore: and swords!
badgertheking: WIll there be any painting guides/hobby articles soon?? Or even better a hobby mag?
lagoon83: @smurf - The large KoW infantry models on our sculptor's desk look INCREDBILE.
lagoon83: INCREDIBLE even
cyphertheory: And ALE!
sukura636: ooooooooooo
smurf: Molochs? :p
mattl: badgertheking: check out the mantic fan magazine, ironwatch
daedle: @lagoon, are they the Ogre Beserker Braves or the Molochs?
salagam19: tarrochini
lagoon83: bidge: @ James name some of the new Dreadball races?
lotan2012: Oh I gotta get me some dreadzone after watching tose vids, game look amazing!
badgertheking: I got the Fanzine, Its ok
lagoon83: @badgertheking - We're talking about doing some painting articles now we've got Dave in house!
smurf: And james i'm sure you feel better after letting that one go :p.
salagam19: TARROCHINI!!!!!
lagoon83: In the meantime, Ironwatch is always an amazing read!
mythril: I'll have swords someone else can use the sticks!
drjonarg: Tokemon
bidge: Will Sir Edwyn make it to KoW mattl: gotta smoke em all?
lagoon83: @bidge Hmm... Con****s
natarath: @Ronnie, Just wondering when you guys will be buying a new HD camera for your videos?
badgertheking: and more battle reports please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
lagoon83: I starred a few letters to add mystique!
sukura636: Daves are always useful. you need as many as possible
masteroftheforce: agreed
smurf: @tk421, They also confirmed Loka Minis available separately in the future lagoon83: @natarath - Ronnie's away at the moment, but we'd love to get one - just need to convince the accountants!
masteroftheforce: Loka has a whole world and background doesn't it?
natarath: all good
cavatore: OK, here's an exclusive sneak peek link a present to BoW to thank them!
https://dl.dropboxuser...d.jpg drjonarg: Conkers, awesome, I have a garden full.
tk421: Lagoon83. Im up for the week on the 24th, think you can spare an hour or so from packing to play a few games of KoW......
cyphertheory: @lagoon you could have a kickstarter for the camera!
lagoon83: Oooooh!
lotan2012: oooo
neves1789: that looks awesome!
somegeezer: ooooooohpretty
cyphertheory: very nice artwork
blackspiral: Very pretty!
bombkangaroo: siamese twin griffons? :p
lagoon83: @tk421 - That's Deadzone shipping week! I dunno if it's likely - we'll see though.
cavatore: Knight of the AIr suit of cards... reminds you of a Loka chess piece doesn't it?
;-)
lagoon83: Interesting!
aslskfan: Very cool...
cavatore: artwork by Ralph Horsley ! look him up!
masteroftheforce: pretty griffins!
salagam19: Yes intriguing
smurf: Loka of the gathering? tk421: I know, im slaving away in the warehouse all week.......
lagoon83: So Alessio, if you could sum up this secret new project in two words, what would they be?
sukura636: Ooooh
mattl: Ralph Horsley who made that amazing unreleased orc racing game for GW -- ask Jake about that one
salagam19: TARROCHINI!!
orinoco: Disco Griffins?
aslskfan: I can, Card Game....
aslskfan: Is Loka shipping this week as well??
cavatore: Loka Tarot?
natarath: Just wondering if we can get the names behind some of the usernames in this chat room I know Cavatore and Ronnie ones of course obvious but Lagoon83! who are you lol ?!! no disrespect just this is my first time in this chat room is all
mattl: Lagoon83 is James M Hewitt at Mantic
lagoon83: @natarath - Hello! Sorry about the confusing username. Tried to get one sorted out, but failed! I am James from Mantic.
lotan2012: same actually, would be nice to put name to face
mattl: warzan is Warren from BoW sukura636: Lagoon83 is James 'Moriarty' Hewitt
salagam19: I'm Sean Clark, aka windle Poons, aka holden Caulfield
natarath: ah nice thanks James
lagoon83: My face occasionally graces the hallowed pages of Beasts of War
cavatore: Who is this Warren? never heard!
;-)
salagam19: Hopefully be at open Day
blackspiral: James Magnanimous Hewitt
smurf: James Hewitt (born 30 April 1958) is an English former household cavalry officer in the British Army. He had an affair with Diana, Princess of Wales for five years,[1][2] receiving extensive media coverage after revealing details of the affair.
natarath: Warren no one knows this guy
natarath: LOL badgertheking: im leon https://www.facebook.c...man.7 not very exciting
lagoon83: The M is for "Mutually Assured Destruction"
natarath: haha
lagoon83: @smurf - Why do you think I added the M?
mythril: James " the magnificent" Hewitt
smurf: haha :p
bidge: @ Smurf +1
salagam19: The silent 'M'?
Me: James Mantic Hewitt of course.
sukura636: Pathfinder Dave Symonds here. no relation to Hobby Dave or Professor Gayle Simmonds.
mattl: i'm someone who has their life together enough to use the same username consistently everywhere.
masteroftheforce: that's the best!
salagam19: What ever happened to the guy who did the first mantic Podcast?
cavatore: Guys, I'm about to go to bed. One last question?
mattl: new thing -- what's it called?
tk421: Why is Orange jam called marmilade?
mattl: go on
badgertheking: can you change it to D20s?
natarath: Nothing from me Cavatore just thanks for the time to sit down and have a chat jabbaa: James 'Mellifluous" Hewitt?
bidge: Is it dark where you are Cavatore? bombkangaroo: Is it true of Dwarves that even the women have beards?
cavatore: dark and scary...
mattl: orange jam + fruit peel = marmalade
mythril: Bidge sounds scary!
salagam19: bed for me too, thanks all, especially the mantic staff...and Alessio!
cavatore: it's from Latin 'marmellata'
bidge: Seriously Cavatore whats the game called
bombkangaroo: thanks for your time, and goodnight Mr C
blackspiral: Thank you Alessio for teases us with the new game! Great as always!
drjonarg: Can we have a 12 dice limit for KoW ? masteroftheforce: in Britain isn't it... what?... midnight almost?
tk421: smarty pants
natarath: @lagoon83, what is your favorite KoW faction?
lagoon83: Night Alessio - thanks for all the info! See you Tuesday (with Starship Troopers)
smurf: Cheers Alessio neves1789: thanks for your time cyphertheory: Grazie Alessio
lagoon83: @natarath - Undead, hands down dinoman87: Night, dream of pie
masteroftheforce: many thanks
Me: Thankyou!
lagoon83: @masteroftheforce - It's 21:55 bidge: Cheers Allessio sleep tight
somegeezer: Cheers Alessio
tk421: Its well past my bed time....
mythril: Thanks mr C
lotan2012: NN Alessio
salagam19: don't let the mawlers bite
cavatore: It's undead. The game is indeed called:
The Tarot of Loka
Thanks to you guys, good night!
neves1789: but it's 22:55 where I live? omg it's the FUTURE
salagam19: Ciao!
sukura636: Thank you Alessio and Goodnight
natarath: night mate
bidge: I think Ronnie catching up on the +1 of Big Bang Theory after putting the kids to bed.
lotan2012: lool
drjonarg: Ciao
natarath: @lagoon83, you going to have your own youtube channel showing off more KoW batreps?
lagoon83: Well! Ronnie's currently putting the kids to bed, Alessio's off to bed himself... but I'm still here if you have any questions for me!
natarath: just do not tell Warren heard he can be quite vicious to play against
bidge: So James now they are both away give us some big leaks and we'll say who us naw Ronnie we just guessed that................ masteroftheforce: deadzone...
dinoman87: Do you like Tacos?
masteroftheforce: answer all
mythril: Can you dance?
lagoon83: @natarath - Well, I run the Mantic youtube channel - but as Warren can probably tell you, editing long videos is a full-time occupation! I'd rather leave the battle reports to the professionals somegeezer: Will the burger van be doing Man vs Food like the last open day?
lagoon83: @bidge - There's no way I could keep up with Ronnie's leakiness.
lagoon83: @dinoman - I do, but they confuse me.
lagoon83: @mythril - Like a demon.
lagoon83: @somegeezer - YES!
natarath: lol masteroftheforce: what exactly happened with the Deadzone enforcers?
Me: Adorable kittens in Mars Attacks? (everyone go throw monies at it, btw)
somegeezer: Wahoo!
bombkangaroo: How much of your undead army have you painted so far?
tris: Will the Mars Attacks Deadzone cards be available outside of mars attacks kickstarter?
bidge: No one can keep up with Leakmaster. We had 3 separate kitchen floods over the summer and we weren't as leaky as Ronnie! lagoon83: @masteroftheforce: Pretty much exactly what we said happened! We aren't 100% confident in the hard plastics yet, so we've put them on hold to make sure they're the awesome things they should be. In the meantime, backers get additional free models. Once we see the zombies we'll know whether we need to retool or go ahead. I have faith it will work though!
somegeezer: Ronnie's giving my bathroom a run for its leaky money
sukura636: Whats the night-shift of KS Mantic look like?
mythril: Lagoon surely you have some little tit bits to share of your own? Not talking about prince Adam though!
lagoon83: @bombkangaroo - well, I've painted a zombie and a ghoul. Test schemes!
lagoon83: @tris - Yes indeed!
natarath: @lagoon83, could you do me a favor and give a shout out at our Kings of War group in Australia? https://www.facebook.c...4984/lol lagoon83: @sukura - Myself, Chris and Curis are here. We are typing lots.
bidge: No no more Prince Adam my eyes still burn. Fair play to you though!
lagoon83: @mythril - The less said about Prince Adam the better!
lagoon83: @natarath - Definitely!
badbob1970: Ime interested to know if Alessio steers clear of ideas , rules or game mechanics he has used used in other very popular wargames named after medieval weapons, or is he happy to recycle a good idea?
igillies: Hi James. Is there anything that has yet to be announced for the open day that you can tell us about.
mythril: But more about the games!
natarath: @lagoon83 cheers mate
masteroftheforce: cheers
cyberbob2k: @lagoon83: For those of us who haven't had the privilege of attending a Mantic open day yet what can we expect? Will there be a chance to buy lots of awesome Mantic products? Should I bring a massive empty suitcase to load up on KoW starter sets? Will there be deals or should I get an overdraft extension to fund Christmas AND my addiction?
dinoman87: Well you guys are troopers
lagoon83: @badbob - I read an interview once in which Alessio said that he doesn't worry too much about that sort of thing - some ideas just work, so there's no point changing them just for the sake of doing something different if it will make them worse.
lagoon83: @mythril - the future of DreadBall looks pretty... extreme. (CSI David Caruso moment)
tris: @lagoon83 thanks
sukura636: @Cyberbob yes, and yes, plus eminars with ronnnie et al, pathfinder demons games and tourneys too.
daedle: @Cyberbob2k, we've got lots of games going on including a big KoW participation game hosted by yours truly. The Mantic store is open, but unlike some other company big games days isn't the main focus of the day. You should still however bring an empty suitcase and extend your overdraft.
lagoon83: @cyberbob - It will be a blast! It's a very informal affair, loads of games, models on display, chances to meet all of us, seminars with Ronnie, Jake and Alessio (like tonight but in person), and a shop with loads of special offers.
bidge: Whats the one thing in a previous KS that you wanted to see, but we didn't get, but was in the pipeline and the same for whats still to come in MA? and think I'll recycle that question come Saturday if the live hang out goes ahead and Ronnie wasn't pulling my leg.
tk421: Dont forget a KoW tournament......
mythril: Extreme will be so cool! Cooler than He man
cyberbob2k: awesome, I can't wait!
masteroftheforce: will there be video coverage of the Mantic open day?
lagoon83: Also we've got a pair of charity tournaments this year for the Nottinghamshire Hospice - we love gaming for a good cause tris: Any chance of the golden orky making a return at a future open day?
mythril: Any chance of filming and sharing the charity events?
lagoon83: @tris - Maybe!
somegeezer: Also a Dreadball tournament (including some yellow robots on the bottom tables if I get them painted in time)
aslskfan: Got to run guys. Have a good one! James, check your email. I see you addressed the tweets. lagoon83: @mythril - I reckon something could happen! It's just a matter of organisation lagoon83: @Mark - I already replied thudgutz: I'm baaaaack - what did I miss?
aslskfan: Quick plug for Mantic Radio, www.ohiohammer.com. Catch James on episode #4. Lots of Mars Attacks info!!
lagoon83: @thudgutz - Welcome back! Alessio went to bed, Ronnie vanished, now I'm answering questions like a demon!
mythril: Half of them ran away and hid in the dark
natarath: @lagoon83, can you post your personal youtube channel for us? or are you using the Mantic Games channel?
somegeezer: @thudgutz - big news is a LOKA-themed card game: strip POKA
lagoon83: @natarath - I'm using the Mantic Games one badbob1970: I haven't tried dread ball yet no one at my club has it is there a starter set?
mythril: With cups and swords!
lagoon83: So big important question - did everyone have an awesome Halloween? Any themed gaming going on?
natarath: no worries look forward to more coverage of mantic products thudgutz: @lagoon83 - no staying power eh, you keep the side up then James.
blackspiral: Quick plug for Deadzone the Podcast http://deadzonegame.po...n.com lagoon83: @badbob - Yes indeed! For starters, get onto the DreadBall Academy videos on BoW. Then pick up a copy of DreadBall Deluxe badgertheking: http://www.manticgames....html badgertheking: staerter set
lagoon83: @natarath - I managed to do a three and a half minute video talking about a rubber mat. I am proud of myself!
cyberbob2k: The Dreadball Academy videos hooked me into a part of the hobby I had no interest in!
masteroftheforce: The Dreadball Academy videos really are the place to start.
lagoon83: @cyberbob - Dropping dice?
thudgutz: Dreadball Acedemy is great, it actually taught a few people how to play from scratch without ever actually seeing the board
mythril: Dreadball kick off is so easy to get into!
badbob1970: thanks I will check them out!
natarath: hahaha lagoon83 good work I would of needed alot of coffee for that haha
sukura636: anyone on mantic's youtube - check out the 'cunning plan' videos about how they hired alessio
Me: Definitely do some deadzone intro videos for the launch, that would be wonderful. cyberbob2k: @lagoon83, nah I've always been a pro at the dice drop, but I'm more into the flicking your dice into your drink by accident
masteroftheforce: Agreed!
warzan: OK guys, I'm going to spend a little down time with the family now lagoon83: @sukura - Yeah, the old youtube videos are a right hoot. Also see Bob Naismith's Dwarf song.
bidge: Take care Warren
warzan: Have a great evening everyone, and thanks for a great nights chat!
sukura636: Night Warren
blackspiral: Night Warren
lagoon83: @Warzan - See you soon mate!
neves1789: thanks warren!
masteroftheforce: May bards sing of your greatness Warren!
badbob1970: Thats a good question how was Alessio lured away?
lagoon83: Say hi to the family from me sukura636: (sounds like a super hero)
warzan: Will do mate mythril: Thank Warren have a good night
thudgutz: @lagoon83 so what are the chances of having a beer or two after the Openday (I may even stand you a pint). I can't imagine that the Mantoc team don't like a beverage or two!
lotan2012: cya warrenm ny wallet hates you
lotan2012: my*
lagoon83: Speaking of our Youtube videos, did anyone notice a step up in audio quality on our most recent one? I'm getting better at this!
sukura636: There' always an aftermath drink for those who survive
thudgutz: @warzan are BoW going to be at the openday?
lagoon83: @thudgutz - I think there's a vague plan to saunter gradually towards a pub! There's a lovely one just up the road, people are more than welcome to pop along kharegim: when are the twilight king/abyssal dwarfs going to get some hard plastic love
masteroftheforce: good question thudgutz!
cyphertheory: James the biggest problem are lighting and HD now,b ut I know you will try and fix it
lagoon83: @kharegim - We're looking at Kings of War Kickstarter: The Sequel in 2014... that will be it!
natarath: @lagoon83 and the rest of the Mantic Team I have to get going now take the kids to school and all that good stuff lol. Just want to thank you for your time to sit down and talk with all of us. Being in Australia we do miss out on all the stuff that happens in the UK and the US. Again I would love a shout out from all of you guys to the Kings of War Australia group if you can and have a good day or night? https://www.facebook.c...4984/ And thank you BEAST OF WAR great week loved it woke up every morning to watch a new vid pop up ^_^ thanks for that.
cyphertheory: you mean Kow2 - Electric boogaloo
lagoon83: @cypher - Yep, well aware of that. If I had either time or money I'd fix it!
thudgutz: Excellent news - I'm staying up in Nottingham (it's too far to drive back to South Wales in one day)
masteroftheforce: No Warpath Kickstarter?
mythril: KoW when in 2014?
kharegim: are we talking early or late 2014 im keen to throw money at you
lagoon83: @natarath - I'll get you a shout out on facebook Thanks for coming along - see you soon!
natarath: laters guys ^_^
rorke: lol, take my money!!
lagoon83: No idea when in 2014 I'm afraid guys - all I know is "at some point"
sukura636: BOTH
I hope
lagoon83: (I'm just the "run around excitably" guy, they don't trust me with too much info)
tris: Will the sequel be after the Warpath kickstarter?
lagoon83: Tris - Again, no idea!
sukura636: I thought that was Ronnie's job?
cyphertheory: Loose lips sink ships eh?
kharegim: true we need a warpath kickstarter
thudgutz: Hang on....did I miss the fact that there will be ANOTHER KoWKS in 2014?
mythril: When in 2014 for warpath then? I've got to be cheeky!
lagoon83: Mythril - Some point between January and December, I'd guess!
lagoon83: @thudgutz - Yep! bidge: James lighting can be done quite cheaply. Ikea lamps and Hobbycraft for the bulbs.
lagoon83: Looking at new armies, more plastics, etc etc
masteroftheforce: *grins*
bidge: sounds good
lagoon83: @bidge - Yeah, it's just a case of finding the time to get there! It's on my big to-do list!
bidge: So how big are the stompy robots gonna be in Warpath.
bidge: lol mythril: There are huge to do lists at mantic I bet!
masteroftheforce: big stompy robots? *grins wider*
lagoon83: No idea! The Mars Attacks one is about 70mm, though
sukura636: Hav you not seen the Iron ancestor/stunt bot/ strider?
kharegim: people are keen to throw money at you guys, get on ronnies case about it... we want more minis >=D
lagoon83: @mythril - My to-do list is so big that stuff keeps falling off the bottom.
tk421: Right, well past bed time. Gnight all. James see you in a few weeks. And to the rest, see you at the open day! Look for me Judging the Kings of War tournament.
mythril: You need a list for all your lists!
thudgutz: Great - so taking the advice from earlier, get someone to teach it to me at the openday, choose a starter set (Ronnie's suggestion), get to grips with that (in between DeadZone, Dreadball Extreme and Mars Attacks) and then I'll be all set when the next KS happens - RESULT
lagoon83: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1iwi9RScs lagoon83: Bit of a blast from the past lagoon83: Night tk421!
lagoon83: @thudgutz - It's a plan!
lagoon83: Did *everyone* just disappear to watch that video?
cyphertheory: James - Just a thought, you have a few of us here, do you have any questions for the community?
lagoon83: Hmm... good point!
bidge: still here
neves1789: listening yeah sukura636: yep
kharegim: still here, waiting for more kickstarters....
bidge: i'll play that game cyphertheory
sukura636: It's part 2 that rocks
mythril: Me too
masteroftheforce: That is one funny video!
lagoon83: Okay then, question for the community. Let's get reflective! It's my job to keep people informed, enthused and excited about Mantic stuff. Do you reckon I'm doing an alright job? Any areas of improvement needed? Honest feedback if you please!
lagoon83: (And yeah, check out parts 2 and 3 of that video)
kharegim: did anyone else notice alessio shouting mama mia....
masteroftheforce: We love you James!
igillies: your doing a good jobs
rorke: everyone must be off watching that video lol... i think you're doing a fine job mate
neves1789: yeah the demo's are great smurf: You're doing a very good job james
orinoco: I enjoy the blog and the video tour of mantic
tris: You do a great job
mythril: I think you are doing a great job, I see you all over the inter web, google tube and face book spreading the word and answering queries.
somegeezer: You're doing a great job. You're on this site lots, Twitter account's active, plenty going on the forums and some impressive shouting at the last open day. Goodonyer
bidge: Yes the outreach is fantastic. The more video though you can do the better. its just so more personal than text.
kharegim: I think you are doing a great job james, only one things missing though. sneak peaks of those greens that only rarely get seen by the community. the ogre shaman being a good example of this =P
cyphertheory: I noticed on Dakkadakka there was a bit of a thing for a while (I think Scarletsquig would back me up on that one) that perhaps could have been handled better
robzilla01: @lagoon83 the fact you're on here at 22.19 shows what a good job you're doing. Dedication to the Mantic cause... or Ronnie has you chained up in Mantic HQ blackspiral: The best part of getting to be a fan of Mantic is that we actually get to know these guys! Its human nature to want to support such nice guys. Keep up the good work Mantic and we'll keep buying new stuff. And with that I gotta go. See you all in the comments! Later
Me: More Mantic forum interaction would be cool, it is where all the big fans are. smurf: i agree with scarlet on that actually!
reganspor: Lagoon83 you are a champ you even make Justin look exciting.
cyphertheory: but then I understand that the further you cast your net, the less time you have to interact with each group
izmerul: you're doing a great job! maybe you could wear a robe and wizard's hat more often
rorke: Justine *
smurf: if you have time stop into the forums more even though it's obvious you are very busy as is!
lagoon83: Awesome stuff guys. Key points I'm seeing are more video, sneaky peaks, and more love for the forums I'll do what I can !
mythril: i agree with the video reaching out more personally and it's great to see a real face to a company, though mantic is very good at being friendly and open
badgertheking: your doing a great job but I do think there needs to be more previews of upcoming stuff
somegeezer: @izmerul +1 for more wizard's sleeve
lagoon83: @izmerul - as if! I never dress up.
somegeezer: * robe. I meant robe
lagoon83: *shifty eyes*
kharegim: anyone else getting blackadder in their related videos?
izmerul: yes videos are key for me. the KoW bat rep and the Dreadball Academy was what really pushed me
sukura636: It *is* a cunning plan
cyphertheory: OK if I may, could I pose a question to the community?
masteroftheforce: go on...
bidge: go ahead
mythril: Ah hmmm
Me: You just did. :p
tk421: You are only one person, but more vids, battel reports, painting, army building. Stuff BoW do.
Maybe a once a month/quarter challenge James report, where one person travels to mantic towers and playes you in a game of their choice....a mantic game
bidge: lol cyphertheory: If you could change one thing about mantics current products, what would it be?
badgertheking: also this is not your fault but prizes at tournaments..... They should be there for the winner at the event. Not 6 months later
bidge: tk421 good idea. Similar to what MWG does.
Me: hard plastic everything, including the rulebooks.
tk421: Beat Matts batrep
lagoon83: @badger - 6 months later? What's that referring to?
tris: More variation in some of the units.
smurf: the pathfinder regionals
badgertheking: Dreadball boards
bidge: Cyphertheory I would prefer that my Restic came on a sprue.
sukura636: SSyou just made my night
masteroftheforce: More Warpath
somegeezer: @ cypher more stuff in plastic
badgertheking: there was some unhappy people
lagoon83: Yikes, wasn't aware of that.
badgertheking: and even the KoW regionals prizes went out a month or two after
reganspor: Lagoon83 do what Mattiu did for infinty. Travel the british Ilse and give out free blisters. Play games.
mythril: A few more troop variation in KoW but I understand it takes time to build multiple armies in a quality way
cyberbob2k: More things on the lovely Deadzone/Dreadball ultimate mat material, like a varient on the classic Dreadball board maybe?
lagoon83: Well, I'll do what I can to stop that happening.
kharegim: lwell more hard plastic / less restic not sure about your new formula for deadzone but the current restic halfbreeds take a long time to clean =/
lagoon83: @reganspor - Nice idea! Who'd do my day job though??
izmerul: some Deadzone Batreps/academy would be nice to see what the sci-fi universe is made of
neves1789: so I just cut up a floormat to serve as a wheatfield and now everything, including me, is covered in stinky bristles... just on a sidenote here
lagoon83: @mythril - Give it time, I think we're getting there gradually!
smurf: @James, there is a community of people playing Kings of War online using Universal Battle. Would you be up for a game sometime? sukura636: That's what we're (pathfinder) for!
lagoon83: @kharegrim - The new mix is a lot better, trust me!
lagoon83: @cyberbob - It's an idea we've already thought of!
mythril: You are doing wonderfully and have come a long way in a short time!
lagoon83: @smurf - I fear change and technology.
lagoon83: Otherwise, sounds fun!
kharegim: will the new mix be used for all the restic models i.e. if i bought more halfbreeds now will they be made with the new mix
masteroftheforce: lol badgertheking: Get those Deadzone acamadey vids up Before its relesed would be great
badgertheking: or at least very close
cyphertheory: Right, Thanks to everyone for a great Q&A/Chat I have really enjoyed it , James - whats that email address re: pathfinders again?
masteroftheforce: Actually I'm changing mine. I want Deadzone Academy!
lagoon83: Ronnie's just sent me a text to say that he's not going to be heading back, but thank you for your questions! Also, he said that everyone who's backed Deadzone or Mars Attacks on Kickstarter can have free entry to the Open Day in November. What a guy!
reganspor: I asked earlier if there would be a mantic KOWrpg. But it was hecktic at the start. So if you'd like to answer
mythril: Have fun one and all I am going to get my beauty sleep( and my hubby will tell you I really need it!) thanks for a great chat.
lagoon83: @cyphertheory - james.hewitt@manticgames.com cyphertheory: Thanks, good night all!
lagoon83: @reganspor - I'd love to get something like that done... maybe not immediately, but I love the idea
I have a bit of a fever currently, the only thing I can remember is asking about modular dungeon tiles for DKH (it's something they've thought about), and PDC (Ronnie had a chat with them recently).
Oh, and Alessio's new game is called "The Tarot of Loka". Gonna have to trawl through to dig up the rest...
Warpath and KoW Kickstarters next year, schedule even Mantic doesn't know yet.
DKH 4 in planning stages, a few sculpts done.
Select quote from Ronnie:
ronnieatmantic: vonjunk - KOWks perhaps a Twilight Kin, Abyssal Dwarf, Nature, Abyssal hard plastic troops? - yes exactly that where we are ehading. I am really keen to get back to tooling lots of sprued plastic base untis for lots of armies.
So... they're considering PDC, or just "talked" with them? New plastics would certainly be nice. Vehicles would be even better. Did anybody ask about those?
I colourised the names of the Mantic guys and split it into 500 line spoilered blocks, based on the transcript from SS and the usernames from Cyphertheory. Bit easier to see the info now.
Spoiler:
warzan: Hello World!
Lagoon83: Hello yourself!
igillies: hi
Lagoon83: Hello!
badgertheking: well helllo
Lagoon83: Hello indeed!
johnp: Hello people
Lagoon83: How are we doing this evening?
daedle: Eyup sweetums
dinoman87: hello, and rather well
tk421: Badger the king.....hobo?
johnp: very well this end all scary stuff this first time ive been on here lol but a member for bow for ages now
smurf: Badger, we meet again...
Lagoon83: Same here john - actually forgot there was a chat function! Poor form on my part :p
darklord: Hello
tk421: Dan!!!!
smurf: hi dan
darklord: Hey hey!
Lagoon83: Blimey, that's a lot of people starting to turn up.
johnp: lolBoW did a fine job of covering KoW thats why lol smurf: lots of familiar names from the mantic forums :p
vladdrahcir: who can blame them. KoW ae awsome
Lagoon83: Very true! Admittedly I'm biased, but I thought it was an awesome week (and a bit) of content.
redfox4242: Hello there Mantic people.
tk421: I loved the Goblin and Abyssal Army list.....
Me: hi everyone.. hey badger!
jp1138: evenin' all...
somegeezer: 2 thumbs up for the KoW battle report. It looked tons of fun
Lagoon83: It was awesome! And (SPOILERS!) I didn't lose for once!
johnp: so much fun i cracked out my two player box and started painting lol Me: @lagoon: The demo videos were amazing, definitely going to be my go-to "watch these" for anyone I see asking about KoW online.
bidge: Evening all
divinedread: hi all
badgertheking: KoW is the best
Lagoon83: Awesome stuff
Lagoon83: Hi Bidge!
Lagoon83: And hello divinedread!
badgertheking: Hello to aqll the badger lovers
smurf: popular guy leon :p
badgertheking:
badgertheking: More videos!!!!
badgertheking: full weekly battle reports
dinoman87: And with more waffles please
daedle: Man wouldn't it be great to see two top KoW players facing off against each other on video eh?
salagam19: Yes, KoW week has grabbed me screaming and kcking back into Fantasy gaming and opened the doors to all things Mantic. Where have I been!?
redfox4242: I am thrilled because Mantic Games is suddenly everywhere in Beasts of War
daedle: Don't you think lagoon83?
tk421: Im doing a video of the next Kings of War tournament at Total Wargammer on the 17th
badgertheking: I agree deade
Lagoon83: Daedle - I've said it before and I've said it again, you're gonna have to buy me dinner first at this rate. :p
gt3000: Hey guys is it a chatroom conversation or a live video feed?
daedle: I said two top players lagoon
sukura636: You mean Josh and Alberto, Deadle?
bidge: Hey lagoon
Lagoon83: salagam - Doesn't matter where you've been - just matters that you're here now!
redfox - Yay, I know!
gt3000 - chatroom. Here's where it happens! We're going old school.
daedle - HA!
Lagoon83: Josh is an expert and rolling dice while pointing.
jp1138: I will warm up my trusty sideways zombie shuffle manoeuver in anticipation Daedle!
Me: darklord vs. josh. :p
hawker2000: how are your models so affordable
bidge: @ Salagem, Yep where have you been? Well enjoy as Mantic really do have a great set of products
salagam19: Well lagoon, its your wit and repartee that have sold me and meant my child wont eat for another week or so. Big package arrived today!
hawker2000: the price is really good
Lagoon83: @hawker - Good question. A mixture of sensible businessy stuff (from the accountants in the team) and Ronnie's ridiculous sense of generosity.
salagam19: bidge...Im just realising this. Odd as I followed the Dreadball and Deadzone KS's but didn't jump in :-(
hawker2000: cool keep that up its doing wonders guy
Lagoon83: @salagam - Thanks! Much appreciated - it's nice to know that people are enjoying what I do!
Lagoon83: (It's all Warren really, though. I've never actually met him. The James on DreadBall Academy and KoW week is a hologram.)
salagam19: just joking about my daughter by the way :-p
hawker2000: what 3D package do you use to design the models in
vondrasky: All those undead in the boxes keep on screaming all night : "PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!"
dignity: evening everybody
redfox4242: excellent hologram in that case
Lagoon83: Justin is in the hizzouse! Or house. Possibly.
Lagoon83: Hawker - I am so not the right person to answer that question! We get our 3D sculpts done by a team of lovely freelancers.
dignity: evening james
salagam19: so....where is Ronnie?
Lagoon83: Ronnie is imminent!
hawker2000: what 3D package do you use to design the models in
tk421: probably tucking the kids in
sukura636: AT a guess, it looks like it might be Zbrush. A guess, but they 'caly' texture is familiar
salagam19: lol sukura636: clay*
Lagoon83: Aha! I've just been told that he was proofreading the Mars Attacks update that's about to go out... so he'll be here asap.
hawker2000: do you comission an artist to do them or do you do them all inhouse with the 3D models
dinoman87: OK
darklord: Kickstarter keeps em busy!
johnp: as a noob im trying to work out whos who lol must admit i do wear a confused look most of the day lol gt3000: Will we be able to get some Mars Attacks questions in here? KoW is awesome but I don't want to interrupt the chat by being off topic.
Lagoon83: Hawker - we get them done by an artist. We've got an in-house sculptor, but he works in proper putty and clay and stuff.
Lagoon83: johnp - I'm James from Mantic, dignity is Justin from Beasts of War, and everyone else is everyone else!
Lagoon83: gt3000 - I reckon as long as we stay mostly on topic it'll all be groovy
gt3000: Neat.
dinoman87: Wait then who will Ronnie be?
Lagoon83: I have no idea.
johnp: Ah yes lol as I thought ps thanks for accepting my Fb yesterday
smurf: I bet he's already here, just using an alias.
salagam19: yes, but do I really need Martians with ray guns? I;m feeling the answer is yes but as Im just getting into Mantic games and liking the imminent release of DZ that may take my disposable income instead
salagam19: I'm Ronnie renton
sukura636: Use his secret enforcer codename?
tk421: Heressssss Ronnie!!!!!
salagam19: not really sorry
bidge: Groovy ............Bruce Campbell is a god, oops thats me off topic already. Damn
blackspiral: So James are you as excited as the rest of us for Deadzone!!?!
bombkangaroo: I am Spartacus!
smurf: I'm guessing Ronnie Mantic is ronnie :p
redfox4242: I am Spartacus!
prosthetics: i've heard mixed things about KoW, the models are undoubtably affordable and good looking though - how does the game play when compared to other popular games such as WHFantasy and WarmaHordes?
hawker2000: are you planning another kickstarter with Warpath
dignity: lol Nooo!!! my secret identity....
dragqueeninspace: I heard rumours fleabgs without the riders may be available in resin is this true?
bidge: @ prosthetics Gamepley is great, super quick , dead easy to understand,
Lagoon83: Blackspiral - YES!
smurf: surely you mean mawbeasts :p
Lagoon83: prosthetics - Good question! It's very streamlined and allows for massive games to be played in no time at all.
dragqueeninspace: I belive I do.
ophidian: James and Ronnie, I just want to say from the USA how big a fan I am of Kings of War. I'm telling errbody that will listen, and then some
dignity: cant wait to get some filming done on it myself
bombkangaroo: Prosthetics, check out the BoWKoW demo game videos
bombkangaroo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mkm9Wzf-MA Lagoon83: prosthetics - As I said in the video, you spend your time playing against your opponent, not against their army or the rules.
bombkangaroo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqBOp90HeD0 grimslath: Will Twilight Kin be getting an overhaul at any point?
Lagoon83: ophidian - Hooray!
sukura636: There was a BIG (like 12' table thing) KoW game played in about 3hours at open day - SPEED
stupot: super fast
redfox4242: speedy
Lagoon83: dragqueeninspace - Not sure on that one. Might need to check it and get back to you!
somegeezer: Any plans for all-plastic Twighlight Kin and Abyssal Dwarfs? (Please say yes)
hawker2000: could you design a Ming the Merciluss model based on Justin?
salagam19: @ Ronnie....when you started Mantic did you ever think you would be at the stage you are now so quickly?
badgertheking: and my elves alll died :(
Lagoon83: grimslath - YES! We hope. Possible Kickstarter next year...
dignity: i'll second that James, and ill say it was one og the most fun game ive had in a verl long time
salagam19: the only good elf...
grimslath: Awesome news! That's made my night already.
ronnieatmantic: salagam - yeh - thought we would do it faster!!!! seriously right now we are going at some serious speed. DeasdZone is going crazy.
bombkangaroo: is a brown elf girl
Lagoon83: somegeezer - Maybe! As I said, Kickstarter will be our path to plastic glory.
prosthetics: so it leans towards warmachine with the focus on balance and competativeness, whilst not having a tome of rules to learn?
salagam19: I'll be in for a Warpath KS.
ronnieatmantic: somegeezer - yes!
stupot: no tables!
somegeezer: Plastic glory ++
Lagoon83: salagam - Ronnie seems to not be here yet. Ask him when he gets here!
redfox4242: I am planning on backing a Warpath Kickstarter
Lagoon83: Oh hang on
Lagoon83: There he is!
Lagoon83: I take it back.
Lagoon83: Hi boss!
ronnieatmantic: oh, hi everyone. Ronnie here sorry I am late!
dignity: James he's here
stupot: hello!
redfox4242: Hello!
divinedread: hey
salagam19: We spoke at Partizan just before the orcs came out and your enthusiasm was infectious
somegeezer: Ey up Ronnie
dinoman87: Hello Ronnie
sukura636: *Wave*
johnp: Hello Ronnie
bidge: Evening Ron
hawker2000: how long does the 3d model sculpturer take to design a model
ronnieatmantic: hi James - thanks for holsding the fort. This is going too fast for an old man like me!
cyphertheory: What is the planned lifecycle of Mantic miniatures? do you see yourselves revisiting sculpts that didnt meet your expectations in the future?
Lagoon83: Ron - if you use the colour picker above the chat window, you can make your text stand out a bit!
hawker2000: I know it depends on many aspects but an average time
ronnieatmantic: salagam19 - thanks. I get passionnate
cyberbob2k: hey James and Ronnie, if I bring a sleeping bag and help pack the deadzone stuff, can i sleep in a small space in your warehouse and get mine early?
reganspor: Is there any Roleplaying game planned for the kings of war setting? And if not would you consider that as an anvenue to take ghe KoW range?
badgertheking: the basalion list has no individual angels, is this a sign of things to come with KoW?? with werewolfs etc?
ronnieatmantic: thanks James - do i now have a regal blue?
badgertheking: ahhh
badgertheking: dark
smurf: not that colour!
stupot: that's a tad hard to read :s
Lagoon83: You do indeed! It's delightful and illegible.
badgertheking: cant read iyt
dignity: ...
redfox4242: yes you're blue
dragqueeninspace: hard to see on thre background
dignity: lol ronnieatmantic: bit Dark - oh lets go for sky blue!
bidge: Ron no not that colour cn't read.
salagam19: lol thudgutz: That is worse
bombkangaroo: Ronnie, please no. My poor eyes!
sukura636: A bit lighter, Ron
Lagoon83: Cyphertheory - I think it depends on the sculpt! Some things are timeless, others present opportunities to be redone
tk421: When is Dwarf Kings Hold 4 coming? Just kidding, you have Deadzone and Mars attacks on your plate....
ronnieatmantic: bidge - thats my teams colours . I am gonig to get that one!
daedle: We'll get there eventually
ronnieatmantic: right - sky blue?
smurf: You should just change to green Ronnie, match James :p.
dignity: umm try the orange its easy to read and stands out
stupot: much better!
sukura636: Yep
Lagoon83: Badgertheking - Now there's a question for Alessio
salagam19: that's better]
bidge: Ron I'll ditch the sky blue so as not to confuse
bombkangaroo: much better
dinoman87: Better
dinoman87: ditto
Lagoon83: By the way guys, we might miss a few questions as this is going mental - if we don't answer you, just give it a minute and answer again.
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - it is one of the project we have bubbling away - but when we do it we will wsant it to be totally mega - i think it is a while away yet (i have sen some nice sculpts though
daedle: Or even ask again
salagam19: no problem...
Lagoon83: Or ask again, yeah. Whichever works. :p
badgertheking: is Alessio here?
daedle: @lagoon83, question: What happens to an individuals attacks when they charge a units flank?
ronnieatmantic: James - change to the team colours - blue!
badgertheking: hahahaha play nice deadle
Lagoon83: @daedle - Depends on whether you're gonna get your copy of Deadzone or not.
salagam19: good idea...mantic staff in sky blue
ronnieatmantic: Bidge - thanks. So what does everyone think of KoW then?
salagam19: love it
daedle: @lagoon, I've got 2 on the way. Plus another ~$300 in extras
imhotepmagi: I love it
salagam19: only just jumped in
johnp: Think the one question I have is will we see KoW building etc ?
imhotepmagi: True convert here
salagam19: at 43 feel a bit of an old timer
bidge: Lovin it.
Lagoon83: @daedle - you *think*, at least. :p
dignity: @daedle - Charging in the flank give x2 attacks in the rear is x3
smurf: it's a great game
dinoman87: Looks good, but gonna be a bit hard to find people in my area
stupot: planning my first game for the weekend, Dwarfs vs Orcs, only small 1k pts
trideau: great game
Me: Speaking of DKH 4 - Any chance of a hard plastic modular dungeon-builder sprue? I really think that would be extremely popular.
sukura636: So stealing someone else's question:
"When you started up Mantic all those years ago, did you think things would be where they are by now?"
johnp: im 32 so catching you up
smurf: except with individuals dignity :p
redfox4242: I don't think individuals get bones from flank and rear attacks ... just units
salagam19: the battle report has done loads to show off the best bits
grotham: So James. are you all stuck behing a single account? like a three headed ogre that refuses to go away?
ronnieatmantic: salagam - wow - 1 year older than me!
Lagoon83: @scarletsquig - Not sure at this stage. We're exploring options
cyphertheory: good in comparison to warhammer, where the 8th edition has expanded the rule set too much, KoW allows more tactical gameplay without rules getting in the way or springing up
Me: ooh, exciting.
dignity: ah now that i didnt know sorry
ronnieatmantic: johnp - yes, for sure. everyone is loving DZ scenery and we will do KoW next.
reganspor: So a KOW roleplaying game?
grimslath: Haven't played KoW yet although I have the 2 player starter. Trying to lure my mates away from WFB at the moment!
Lagoon83: @grotham - When you say "you all", who do you mean? There's only one of me. For now.
salagam19: yep, been doing this since 1st ed WFB
johnp: Cool thanks Ronnie
stupot: I would love a KoWRPG Lagoon83: @grimslath - Get 'em to play a game using their WFB armies. Great way to see the difference.
smurf: I agree with scarlet btw, a hard plastic affordable dungeon tile set with walls etc is missing from the hobby at the moment :p.
bidge: Pathfinder Simon Campbell Cornsnakes taught me, my wife and my kid pretty much everything about the rules over the course of one demo game.
stupot: that's what I'm doing with my mate this weekend
salagam19: but been into historicals for a long time...Peter Pig 15mm
grotham: You claimed you had discovere the art of cellular splitting earlier james. where did all you go?
tk421: James....How many attacks does a goblin Wiz get when they charge the side of a unit? Just joshing with you..... Whats your current KoW army you are working on?
daltoncalford: I would love a KOW setting guide so that my players and I could use the rules we want with all the flavour and background material ready for Mantica
ronnieatmantic: Scarlet S - I will leak - wouldn't that be great! cypher - great sunopsis of the rules. all about playing the terrainand your enemy - not his army list.
leitholfer: With Warpath in "Beta", and the releases of Dreadbal and Deadzone, we're starting to see the background story of the Warpath universe flesh out. Any plans to expand on it? Same goes for KoW Lagoon83: @grotham - I had to kill them all. Clone uprising. Nightmare.
thudgutz: Had a demo when Pathfinder Pete came to our GCN Club (TVT in Carmarthen) and really liked the way the game played, sooooo much more simple than pother Fantasy games we could mention. Just need to decide on a faction now (as I missed the KS) and then will be treating myself to a small starter army at the OpenDay. What points size is a good starting army?
sukura636: @grimslath play it in front of them, and watch their eyes as you go so quickly
grimslath: @lagoon83 That's the plan! Just not had time yet tbh (and my current lack of WFB army has thrown a spanner in the works!).
Lagoon83: @tk421 - For starters, why aren't you at your post? I'm still working on my Undead... technically, at least! Haven't had time to paint anything in ages!
ophidian: Are you guys thinking upcoming KoW releases will expand existing races, or aimed more at coming out with new ones?
johnp: I run a club after the demise of my local shop and theres a few of us getting into other games now and mantics range is begining to pick up a lot of intrest
ronnieatmantic: salagam - me too - i had a opreorder in. Toughness D!
Lagoon83: Leitholfer - Oh yes. In many ways
leitholfer:
leitholfer: Good to hear!
bidge: Bugger me but this is tough to keep up.
ronnieatmantic: dalton - we are working on more background. definaltely something we need to ge ton - hope the basilean book did some of that.
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - There's a good question! Throw it open to the room - what's the best army size to start playing KoW?
grotham: @ronnieatmantic With DZ being a huge sucsess, would you consider making a similar edition of Dwarf King's Hold?
johnp: @Lagoon83 painting orc army at the mo :-)
stupot: any word on new races for WoW in the pipeline?
salagam19: @Ronnie...those were the days, crawling on the floor, using every figure you have, good v evil
daltoncalford: Thanks for the response Ronnie, still waiting for my Basilian book to arrive
imhotepmagi: I like 650 to start myself
stupot: KoW*
badgertheking: 1000 points is a good start
redfox4242: I need to buy the Basilean book soon because my friend is beating me with her Elohi
Me: Okay, DKH 4 definitely sounding wonderful.
badgertheking: 10000 is better
daedle: @Lagoon, around 500 points is quick to put together and play, but 1000 points is where the game really starts to shine
Lagoon83: Bidge - I'm sure Justin's keeping a log or something.
tk421: Ronnie, your working James too hard. He hasnt had time to paint his army or read short stories.....Specifically mine~!!!!!!!
James Im at my post....Im rustling up more viewers as we speak.
salagam19: in a way I have the same feeling for KoW.....its that refreshing in a stale market
smurf: Do Mantic have any plans to change KoW over to a live rulebook? There have been quite a lot of discussions about it on the forums and it would help to balance the game especially with tournament play in mind. Perhaps having a Hardback book which gives access to an online "updated" copy?
ronnieatmantic: thudguts - rahther than points - pick your favorite army and buy the £50 set - you get a really good mix of an army in all those sets and they are great value.
daltoncalford: We consistently play KOW 5k to a side. 10k and the system breaks without serious house ruling
dignity: my own thoughts woulf be to grab Baldr`s Armoured Battalion Mega Army
ronnieatmantic: redfox - Elohi are pretty tough - but i am sure you'll find a way to beat them
Lagoon83: Can't beat Ronnie's answer there!
Lagoon83: There's a surprise, Justin!
dignity: what il like the little uns :p
ronnieatmantic: badgethe king - true (well maybe not as a starting point!) but i bet you ould still paly it in 3 hours!
salagam19: the army sets are great buys
daedle: @Ronni, why does your name say that you're eating Mantic?
thudgutz: Ronnie that sound like a plan - will there be an oppertunity to try out the different Factions at the open day?
dignity: 117 minis and your getting 3 warmachines and 2 char's makes me a happy bunny :p
salagam19: the new Orc army with trolls and chariot in works out at around 12pts to the pound
tk421: Ronnie, I understand you have a massive grudge match game of Kings of War planned for Febuary....... Feeling nervous?
ophidian: Yea thanks for those army sets guys-those really are a fantastic bargain
stupot: how much in points do the £50 boxes buy you?
vonjunk: Can I still get the thinking Elf and Elf Scout cloaks with Mantic points?
Lagoon83: @smurf - Very interesting question. It's the sort of thing we like to do - make rules available online, etc. - so possibly something to think about in future.
smurf: Cheers
badgertheking: I totally llove the trolls, any plans to make them better on the tabletop??
daedle: @stupot, depends which army! Anywhere between 500 and 1000 points
somegeezer: @deadle - Mantic's new byline "building and eating big armies"
sukura636: Varies around 1000, of course you can download the list for free and work it out
ronnieatmantic: smurf - we have agreed with Alessio that he will maintain a living 'rules section' on the Mantic forum. He will do QandA, errata etc and put up new throughts and ideas on it. we will also do an annual torunament pack to balance things for tournament play
grotham: @stupot It depends on the box. more beefy armies gets you more points and less models (ogres) and other boxes gives small point value but large armies.
stupot: @daedle, cheers
smurf: awesome
daedle: YES YES YES LIVING RULES SECTION YES YES YES
smurf: cheers guys
Lagoon83: @vonjunk - Most of the stuff that used to be on there will be coming back, thinking elf included
cyphertheory: with tabletop gaming entering a new golden era of diversity and oportunity, what do you think is mantics unique selling point, and how do you want to remain different to your competition?
reganspor: Well @dignity I suppose because there is no stright answer for the KoW roleplaying game it must be happening.
daltoncalford: Good, living rules section has been needed for a very long time
badgertheking: Yes living rulebook is great new
dignity: @smurf - we should also have the man himself on later to be put to the question :p
daedle: @Ronnie, just imagine how good it would be if a mysterious Council Of Seven had been rebalancing the rules?
dignity:
johnp: Ronnie or James do you still have your guys come to local clubs and stores ?
vonjunk: I think that's great! Thanks!!
grotham: @lagoon83 Can you beg Ron for a wall sprue for DKH like the ones in DZ?
smurf: cough batman, daedle
drjonarg: Will we see more units or more races for KoW ? (Chariots are cool)
sukura636: @johnp Yep, there's two of us on now, at least.
daedle: @Johnp, that's the job of pathfinders and we're happy to do so! Let us know which stores/clubs and we'll see who we can whizz over
Lagoon83: @cyphertheory - Awesome question! I'm gonna let Ronnie field it, because it's totally his sort of thing.
salagam19: Any good deals going to be available at Open Day?
thudgutz: @JohnP if you mean the Pathfinders then yes
ronnieatmantic: cypher - we want to offer simple fun games at fair value. We are alsso looking to create a truly global community. we are also going to focus around our core IP's - with a few crazy diversions every now and then
johnp: we had stewart come to the store before you stole him for your selfs lol Lagoon83: @johnp - Yeah, our Pathfinders are a lovely bunch and are always happy to help out at stores and clubs!
sukura636: He levelled up.
ronnieatmantic: johnp - we have a team of pathfinders who are like the martini girls - they will go anywhere, anytime to spread the love !
Lagoon83: @grotham - He's right there, you can do it now!
salagam19: crazy diversion = Mars Attacks!
sukura636: Oh dear
Lagoon83: Ron - there's an image I didn't need.
Lagoon83: Salagam - Yes indeed!
sukura636: I'm a Martni girl now...
agtfos: Hi.
tk421: Ronnie, I understand you have a massive grudge match game of Kings of War planned for Febuary....... Feeling nervous?
johnp: lol ok kool i will email to arange something :-)
mrsaturday: Yeah, about that Mars Attacks.
salagam19: if you asked me 3 monnths ago would I consider getting into a game with martians and ray guns I'd have laughed in your face
daedle: @lagoon83, Ronnie has a very compromising photo of me
Lagoon83: johnp - hope to hear from you soon!
ronnieatmantic: DAedle - the council of 7 are crazy, power mad loonies - (wait until you read the first story in DeadZone book!) they would not ake them balance!
badgertheking: When are we getting minis for the nature army list? I really want to build one but only use Mantic minis. The Loka minis look nice
grotham: @Ronnieatmantic If i bribe you with a couple of bottles with stoch, will you whip Mr Thorton to make DKH 4 with DZ like walls for the board?
salagam19: are loka the same scale?
agtfos: I have a question about KOW goblins, re the big shield rule. This looks like a great rule to apply to all goblin foot units, and is described as a "very large shield made with several planks of wood badly strung together is good protection for the lads" which makes total sense. BUT the forum and KOW army list says that the only goblin unit that has this is the mincer. Now I can see how the mincer has the big shield 'effect' but there's no "planks of wood etc" so, why go to so much trouble to describe the rule if it CANT apply to other goblin units?
redfox4242: Feeling very eager to get the Deadzone short stories. Devored the electronic rulebook yesterday...
thudgutz: I like the sound of the £50 starter set, will there be an oppertunity to try out the different Factions at the open day?
Lagoon83: Those LOKA minis are lovely, aren't they? Scale's a little bit bigger, but with the elementals and things that hardly matters.
goban: I am really only a Kow fanatic but could I buy a DZ rules pdf, to go with the mars
johnp: Who said size matters when your having fun
ronnieatmantic: salagam - will be some deals, and yes Mars Attacks. But also it is based on the DeadZone game - so if you can play one you dont need to learn another system - the base mechanics are the same - but then the setting and event cards and style of play is much different.
salagam19: sounds good James
grotham: @thudgutz I will bring 4 500pts armies to demo with open day. feel free to come over and give them a try
gt3000: Ronnie! Do you guys have a system of volunteers similar to Privateer Press' Pressganger program? It'd be awesome to be able to host tournies and such with official backing maybe even prize support.
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - walk in the park!
sukura636: It represents the big metal plate and whirry blades on the front of the model. Other units sometimes have these rules.
salagam19: Im soooooo tempted. Food or Mars Attacks
Lagoon83: @agtfos - Yep, that's just the mincer. The rule was written before the model was sculpted, and we ended up going with whirly blades instead of wooden planks. As for why it's the only model with the rule... You can ask Alessio when he turns up!
ronnieatmantic: i do need to get painting thou
thudgutz: to pinch Justin's phrase sweeeet
cyphertheory: Mantic are renowned for their Kickstart campaigns, and since in the UK at least, in recent years gaining capital for a start up has been difficult, do you think that mantic's near future is closely linked with funding via kickstarter, or do you hope to be able to fund new products outside of it?
Me: There has been talk of a KoW 2.0 Kickstarter for some time (including that huge mantic forum thread) - any idea what sort of form that might take or what the focus might be?
daedle: @gt3000, we do. Let us know when/where and we'll get on the case
Lagoon83: @gt3000 - Yep! That's our Pathfinders. Drop me a line at james.hewitt@manticgames.com if you want to organise something!
sukura636: gt3000 Yep, pathfinders - in fact there are pathfinder tournements.
ronnieatmantic: goban - we will make a digital rules set available - probably with the main game laucnh in Febrauary.
salagam19: I personally think Mantic and Army Painter are a match made in heaven
dignity: @agtfos - you know you could house rule goblin emplacements to have the rule for a sige game?
redfox4242: I love Army Painter
salagam19: large amries really quickly
gt3000: Is there an application process?
Lagoon83: Wow, scarletsquig, that's quite a colour choice!
smurf: Next question. Some of the LOKA minis would be great additions to a Nature army, The problem is you can't buy hem separately like on the kickstarter. Do you have any plans to let people buy the models seperatly or do you have something else in mind for the Nature faction?.
Lagoon83: Regarding your question... it's all up in the air for now. Unless Ronnie knows stuff!
salagam19: Orcs will be my first all mantic army
tk421: @agtfos - Think we answered this earlier today.......
Lagoon83: (which he undoubtedly does.)
daedle: Whoever was asking about Baldr's armoured battalion, it's 1420 points without any upgrades. You could easily get that to 1600 points with hem, or with a single extra unit. I recommend a couple more cannons.
sukura636: @Salagam19 Nice - grab some morax for conversion funtime!
badgertheking: When are we getting minis for the nature army list? I really want to build one but only use Mantic minis. The Loka minis look nice
Lagoon83: @gt3000 - Yes indeed! Best thing is to email me and we'll talk about it.
salagam19: using Army painter........but fancy some Grey Orcsies
agtfos: @dignity, I didn't, no.
ronnieatmantic: cypher - we could now launch a game or new product outside of KS - but what KS do is make each launch way bigger than we could without it. All the extra scenery for DZ is a great example. Instead of 2 sprues then more 12 months later - we can have 6 sets of diffeerent tiles within months of the main game launch. KS really helps us make bigger and more fun games and systems.
Lagoon83: Regarding the forces of nature army - well, that's the sort of thing we might think about with the next Kings of War kickstarter...
drjonarg: Will we see more units or more races for KoW ?
salagam19: go0t have some of those lovely Ogre types inthere too. That's why I love the mantic approach. No tying you down to specifics
cyphertheory: @ronnie you do them very well, and each has improved on the previous, that shows you are learning lessons each time, which is great!
sukura636: Looking at 2014, what are the three most exciting new things you can see coming up?
badgertheking: ANy plans on making some KoW scenary?
salagam19: ~Warpath KS?
ronnieatmantic: smurf / Badgeking - we have the sets from Loka and will look at making them available individually. But we do hope to be getting round to the nature army in the not too distant too
salagam19: KoW scenery...lalready answered I think
vonjunk: Speaking of a KOWks perhaps a Twilight Kin, Abyssal Dwarf, Nature, Abyssal hard plastic troops?
Lagoon83: @sukura - Deadzone release! Project X! The other secret project!
gt3000: Awesome! Thanks guys. The MA update looks fantastic. I have one other question about MA then I'll kindly quiet down in my corner. Assuming we don't meet our goals of 1 million, will you be still pushing stretch goals post-KS with the Pledge Manager? It feels like a lot of people will be dropping dosh AFTER the deadline not before.
redfox4242: I am planning to back a Warpath KS, hoping that Mantic is planning to do such a Kickstarter
tk421: FYI draft of the tournament pack should be done soon....
somegeezer: Secret project?
smurf: Cheers Awesome to hear.
ulgurstasta: How confident are you in your future hard plastic kits?
cyphertheory: oh +1
salagam19: Super secret project x
ronnieatmantic: cypher - thanks. We really take learning seriously and we listen to the community. - it think thta is a big part of what makes Mantic.
bidge: Have you started planning for your Scottish trip? The Scottish community will go wild to have the Mantic boys at one of our cons. Thats an open invite to the BoW team as well. Biggest 2, I still be believe are Carroande and Claymore.
salagam19: plus 2
Me: @lagoon: Good job my name isn't greysquig! And that's fine, sounds like it's a bit further down the road. Definitely excited for the Nature army though, dozens of mantic unicorns will be mine!
salagam19: one of the best things about mantic.....dare to share info
redfox4242: awesome, squig
bidge: Will you be moving away from Restic over time and switching all / most of the range to the newer material that your a doing the Loka / Mars Attacks mini’s in.
Lagoon83: @gt3000 - Depends on where we end up We usually get a couple of extra stretch goals in via paypal at the end!
grotham: @scarletsquig and this comes from the creator of the MLP fan list??
daedle: bidge, the new restic pieces coming out are fantastic quality
Lagoon83: @bidge - Sounds like a plan! We'll have to get up there at some point.
goban: Ta for the DZ rules. Any plans on a KoW new rulebook or mini rule book ?
ronnieatmantic: vonjunk - KOWks perhaps a Twilight Kin, Abyssal Dwarf, Nature, Abyssal hard plastic troops? - yes exactly that where we are ehading. I am really keen to get back to tooling lots of sprued plastic base untis for lots of armies.
cyphertheory: @ronnie great to hear, more undead quality please!
redfox4242: Outstanding!
sukura636: It's not possible to express in text my excitement
gt3000: Nice. I'm glad to hear that. General KS question and this would pertain to the upcoming Warpath KS as well. Do you guys ship out Mantic Points with your orders or is that a strictly post-KS retail box thing?
winterwolf: How are things looking for hard plastic vehicles? How close are you to being comfortable getting them on sprues? Wondering about a WP KS timeline...
dinoman87: HURRRAY! Can't wait
daedle: @Ronnie, would it be feasible to move more mini production in-house?
redfox4242: I need some Mantic tanks
salagam19: I do think each of the armies needs the hard plastic kits for base troop types
imhotepmagi: Are there plans to revamp some of the core army lists soon? Some units (i.e. Seaguard) are just plain unusable.
Lagoon83: Bidge - Regarding your question about materials, I think we'll stick to restic for most stuff as it's better for multi-part models... I think. As you might have noticed, though, it's getting better all the time!
ronnieatmantic: gt3000 - yes, I would be happy to do that. We should have a counter on the site and just keep adding to it - is anyone technically minded out there? Get in touch! (and thanks for the nice words reMA - i think it looks great and it plays so well, fun and fast!
johnp: Big Landing craft for DZ :-)
bidge: @ James / Lagoon we can talk about the different shows after MA if you want.
daedle: @imhotepmagi, Alessio is going to be working on an update to the rulebook which will rebalance things
imhotepmagi: Good to hear!
ronnieatmantic: goban - some more suppliments first i think to expand the world and armies.
thudgutz: Restic has come on loads, the Giants in Ultimate are just so clean
Lagoon83: @gt3000 - Mantic points are a retail thing only, I'm afraid! You get an awesome deal as it is with Kickstarter
bidge: @ Lagoon Im happy with, just curious because MA and Loka are using the other material.
somegeezer: Any plans for KoW halflings?
Lagoon83: @bidge - that would be wise!
biggreenj: @ ronnie have you guys any ideas when the first DZ parcels are being sent out??
dragqueeninspace: Are you going to be pushing for 1800pts as the tournament standard?
salagam19: Can you get Blood of Cerillion out please. I'm short of rerading material
Lagoon83: Salagam - It's gonna be a Christmas e-book release, along with our Deadzone compilation!
ronnieatmantic: winterwolf - very happy with straight line tooling - which is 1/2 of warpath range - and making good progress on organics. I think we will have it nailed in 6 months.
gt3000: Of course but you guys are renown for your awesome generosity, and I just want you guys to know that you are fantastic. You're by far my favorite wargames company bar-none. @Ronnie I'm gonna hold you to that counter!
redfox4242: I want to buy Blood Stone of Cerillion. I keep looking for it.
ronnieatmantic: mantyic points are a treat for retail buyers - the KS boy and girls cannot get everything
thudgutz: Just out of interest who's in charge of the MA Kickstarter while you guys are on here?
salagam19: DZ compilation out at Xmas too? For non KS'ers
salagam19: ?
Me: I mainly like the pricing the newer restic kits, £20 for 20 KoW infantry puts them back into the affordable bracket. There have been a lot of unexpected price reductions this year which have been great.
Lagoon83: thudgutz - Chris runs our Kickstarters, so he's over there now!
Lagoon83: We just help out
daedle: @Ronnie, any plans to "digitise" Mantic points? I keep losing mine!
Lagoon83: Salagam - yes indeed! Kickstarter backers will get it earlier.
ronnieatmantic: salagam - great idea - James - let's get it up on kindle, or have you done it already?
redfox4242: digital mantic points sounds like a great idea
salagam19: Good stuff James
smurf: Next question . I'm guessing that the Zzor will be a proper faction in the Warpath universe in the future(Which is great if i'm right). However would there be any plans or possibilities of having them available in both Warpath AND Kings of War? They would be a pretty unique race to bring into the fantasy genre.
ronnieatmantic: daedle - we should - but we are all 'technologically challenged' at mantic! seriously we are rubiish!
Lagoon83: Ron - It's planned for Christmas day on Kindle and other ebooky things
sukura636: I'll ask my programming mates...
ronnieatmantic: smurf - nice idea. no plans at the mo - but who knows how these things develop.
Cavatore: Yawn... what time is it? ;-)
mythril: I love the idea of digital mantic points
badgertheking: ZOR IN KOW WOULD BE EPIC
ronnieatmantic: sukura - great!
Lagoon83: Kings of Z'zor?
grimslath: Great idea with Z'zor in fantasy! Would like that. Can imagine them being like the Cho'ja in Raymond E Feist's Midkemia novels...
salagam19: Alessio!!
tk421: Cavatore, where are the Dwarf Gyrocopters?
daedle: @Ronnie, what do you think to the idea of doing both a Warpath "Mass Battles" and separate Warpath "Actually use some tactics" version to please both camps?
badgertheking: Morning Alessio
Lagoon83: We have a Cavatore in the house! Hi Alessio
salagam19: @alessio you need the nobel peace prize
sukura636: oooo
smurf: The Zzor would be a real threat those bloody angels at least!
salagam19: I think ~KoW will bring peace and harmony to my games club
bidge: Grimlash The Cho'ja rock
Cavatore: Noble peace price? Is it for being able to stand Ronnie?
;-)
redfox4242: + 1 for Nobel Peace Prize to Mantic
ulgurstasta: Good question, how the development of warpath rules going?
salagam19: unite a disparate group of gamers once more
Spoiler:
agtfos: Hi allesio
splizat: Everyone on here who hasn't already should go make a pledge for the Mars Attacks Kickstarter
ronnieatmantic: grim - I got my magician book signed by Raymond E Feist about 2 months ago _ I was really tempted to ask for a licnece there and then!
grimslath: @Bidge Giant samurai ants FTW!
Lagoon83: splizat is entirely correct, of course.
cyberbob2k: Any plans to create an Epic Warpath variant in the future, or Warpath in SPAAAAAAAACE? (names subject to change)
salagam19: I'm not in yet on MAKS Lagoon83: Alessio - care to join us in this lovely shade of blue?
salagam19: soooo tempted
tk421: Ronnie, have you read Old Mans War.....
dignity: @alessio - Might6 i sujest changing your text colout to sky blue to make it stand out?
winterwolf: I second daedle's comment. Having rules for both mass battles WP and mid-sized between DZ and mass battles would be great
mythril: Strong female leaders/heroes ftw Cavatore: Sure, how do I turn blue?
grotham: hold your breath
grimslath: @Ronnie - Lucky! Would love to meet him. Been one of my fave authors for years. Imagine a Riftwar miniatures game *drool*
sukura636: Top left, ink dropper
Lagoon83: You've got a colour picker just above the chat window - second icon along.
bidge: Allesio. Switch to team sky blue
dignity: second symbol on the top of the chat window
ronnieatmantic: daedle - DeadZone is the tactical game - individuals are the units. that allows Warpath to be a mass battle game. We will test it and play it until it is brillaint- and so whatever way you want you can use your models to play in the universe
Cavatore: I'm felling blue...
badgertheking: @alessio - Basilions angels have no individiual choice, is this a sign of things to come with all lists like Drakons,werewolfs etc?
Cavatore: Too blue...
ronnieatmantic: salagam - pleaee join us, we have bugs at $500k and we have been waiting all week to get them!!!
agtfos: @allesio, can I have a KOW rule ruling please?
Cavatore: This blue!
dignity: yup
Lagoon83: There we go!
Lagoon83: Go team blue.
smurf: that's the one!
somegeezer: By Jove he's got it. Team blue
grimslath: MA kickstarter is worth it just for the Dreadball team. Love that idea!
drjonarg: Will Mantic do any other scale than 28mm?
tk421: @agtfos....... ITS ONLY FOR MINCERS!!!!!
ronnieatmantic: grim - indeed. I always used to dream about who they could cast in the movie - great pub game!
Cavatore: Too fast!!!!
salagam19: I so want to but funds this side of xmas limited. Want in on DZ having missed that KS and have wants and needs for KoW armies
sukura636: Get cracking alessio - 3 questions for you already
agtfos: i want to hear it from him
tk421: lol Lagoon83: Alessio - Just grab a question and answer away. If we miss anything, they can ask again!
ulgurstasta: @Cavatore I have heard rumors that you guys have experimented with using movement trays in Warpath?
cyphertheory: We all have a favorite game, even if we collect and play many lines, which game would you say is your favorite or appeals to you most from your ranges?
Cavatore: @badger BAsileans no individual choices afaik ronnieatmantic: team blue, team blue, team blue!
bidge: Loving where Mars Attacks KS is going. Whats you favourite mini / kit of that campaign so far. For me its the burning cattle. (but I still need that shrink ray and 6-10mm humans to go with it!)
ronnieatmantic: i hope there is no blue on blue action!
thudgutz: Are we any closer to a DZ wave 1 confimed list yet>
badgertheking: afaik?
mythril: Will Ronnie play Martians or humans?
sukura636: as far as I know*
Cavatore: Yes, movement trays in Warpath would be a good idea methinks...
badgertheking: thansk
salagam19: Martians wearing fish bowls on their head....mind blowing quality
drjonarg: @ronnie lol Lagoon83: bidge - I'm loving the big stompy robot, personally
bidge: @ Allessio us the pop out function it makes it a BIT easier to read.
ronnieatmantic: I really want the shrink ray and 6mm humans - I will aks again! drionarg - not for a while. We through about it - but 28mm is the best scale - jus tthe right mix for what we are trying to do.
drjonarg: thx
Cavatore: afaik = as far as i know... I think
sukura636: Yep
salagam19: @alessio......movement trays in Warpath.....square or odd shapes?
ronnieatmantic: Alessio - we spoke breifly earlier about your forum section. could you tell everyone a bit more? Also we need a name for the forum section (like command post) ideas/suggestions please
Cavatore: the pop out function?
ronnieatmantic: Martians all the way!
sukura636: top bar *popout*
sukura636: opens this in a larger window
mythril: Ack ack
salagam19: errr.... The Command Tent!
sukura636: its actually clearer
dignity: in the top bar alessio
Cavatore: popped out!
agtfos: @cavatore, goblin big shield, mincer only? Or other goblin foot units too? Thanks
smurf: mincer only
ronnieatmantic: the saucer - it is just such a lovely kit
salagam19: thank the lord....I was going blind rweading the small text lol Cavatore: Yes, we were thinking of creating a section in the Mantic forum that is an 'official' place for rulesy stuff.
somegeezer: re Alessio's forum section: court martial?
Lagoon83: Cavatore's Cavern?
ronnieatmantic: salagam - nope! alessio - have you? well put the mouse back in the house!
goban: @ Cavatore: Will the future of Warpath be like Bolt Action? PS congrats on that great game
dignity: judge jury and alessio cavatore?
daedle: @agtfos, every KoM unit has gives -2 to hit for cavalry and gets +10/+20 attacks for Regiments/Hordes. And Inspires itself and every unit with 12"
cyphertheory: Perhaps you dont want people messing aroung in cavatore's cavern!
mythril: I though the microwave was what you use for court martial
drjonarg: @cavatore can I ask about the 12 dice limit
ronnieatmantic: somegeezer - now thta is getting there. i like that.
Cavatore: Title I was thinking something like The Great Library of Mantic...
ronnieatmantic: Lagoon - eerm no!
sukura636: Ohh I like that one, the great library
somegeezer:
jorghe: there is some kind of cool story behind the decision to buy mars attack license?
Cavatore: I suspect Warlord might not like if Warpath was a BA clone...
smurf: "Court of Cavatore" is the best :p
johnp: Alessio's Answers
bidge: Judgment Day? for the forum
badgertheking: Charecters like the elf Mage queen seem to high in nerve in my opinion. WHy would she take a charge from 20 orcs and stilll hold? Any plans to make character nerves lower or always get tripple attacks against like with warmachines?
ronnieatmantic: cypher - exactly my thougths!
thudgutz: Alessio, how long is an average game of Loka supposed to take, I missed out on the KS but am hoping to pick up a copy at the Openday (it will be available wont it)?
cyphertheory: lol Me: Clear plastic and small footprint movement trays could work I think. Especially if they were optional game aids rather than required by the rules. 40k players will take a bit of convincing to use them.
salagam19: @alessio Any thoughts on allowing characters to join units?
ulgurstasta: I can see it having issues with terrain
Cavatore: yes, Loka should be available at the open day, a game can last a few minutes (if someone loses before they move...) to maybe max an hour...
drjonarg: Kings of Rules, or Rules of War?
redfox4242: clear plastic movement trays is an intriguing idea
tk421: Rules of War
daltoncalford: @cavatore, Allessio, have you ever considered a rule where in KOW, a attacking unit that rolls very low (say a one or two) on their attack dice, takes a point of damage IF the defending unit has a special rule that specifies this? This would be good for defensive vs offensive units
Cavatore: no charatcers joining unit is the devil!
badgertheking: haha
bidge: @ drjonarg I like "Rules of War"
thudgutz: Alessio, you can lose before you move.......hell I've got to get you to give me a demo game
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - if I'm playing, it doesn't last very long. Realised when I came to play it that I s*** at chess.
salagam19: @alessio LOL :-)
sukura636: Big rules headache I imagine.
ronnieatmantic: jorhe - they contacted us after Dreadball KS and they said they liked what we did. Next time i was in the USA I went to visit them (in their very big posh offices in NY). they have lots of big main licences and MA is a bit off field for them. We got on really well and I knew we could do a good job. I read the cards, comics and knew we were in.
johnp: i like the idea of clear trays
dignity: JAmes play me a game we'll be there all day ):
dignity:
bombkangaroo: Daltoncalford; So Gabriel Seth's Ferocious Instincts?
tk421: Old Mans War and The Wheel of Time would be brilliant licenses to get hold of......
grimslath: Unfortunately I have to go but its been great chatting to you guys and seeing the answers to all these questions (and whoop for a Twilight Kin kickstarter! ). Also, heartfelt thanks for making the hobby affordable and enjoyable again.
Lagoon83: bombkangaroo - sounds like a country rock band...
Cavatore: interesting idea for KOW, attacking units taking dmg could be a fun rule...
bombkangaroo: When characters joint units, the unit often becomes ablative armour for the character
smurf: @ Ronnie, James & Alessio. What is your favorite KoW factions and why?.
ronnieatmantic: thud - yes it wil and the KS start shipping next week!
Lagoon83: @grimslath - Thanks for joining us!
daltoncalford: Hey Bombkangaroo, these where rules that where discussed on the original forums before the upgrade and may have even been discussed more recently
thudgutz: Ahhh got to drop off now, will be good to meet you all at the Open Day (and collect huge boxes of Deadzone stuff too).
sukura636: Hope the leaving people had fun
ronnieatmantic: loka - I have played in a 1 move checkmate game - thta was fun seeing someone mugged!
Lagoon83: @smurf - Good question! I love the Undead because, well, I'm a fan of cheesy horror movies, and they open the doors to so many awesome modelling opportunities. And they rock in the game!
Cavatore: my favourite faction is Undead, I love the models, and I love the way the army plays... and one day I might get around to have my army painted...
ronnieatmantic: grim -thanks, best wishes
johnp: When is the open day and are there any tickets left @
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - See you there
badgertheking: harecters like the elf Mage queen seem to high in nerve in my opinion. WHy would she take a charge from 20 orcs and stilll hold? Any plans to make character nerves lower or always get tripple attacks against like with warmachines?
Lagoon83: @johnp - 30th November, plenty of tickets left! Let me find a link for you.
grotham: @lagoon how many pathfinders are there now?
vonjunk: Are you guys planning to do anything for 3D printing? Looks to be amazing technology, but it will take careful planning to adapt and thrive.
smurf: Both of you liking undead is interesting :p
Cavatore: good idea about individuals suffering triple attacks... will ponder
Lagoon83: @grotham - Dozens of them! Everywhere!
tk421: we are legion....
cyphertheory: What are you most eager to change/improve as soon as the timing is right?
bidge: Do you plan on any more boxed games, like Project Pandora or Dwarf Kings Hold?
johnp: Thanks Lagoon
bidge: Will their be a fantasy range of buildings coming out similar to the Deadzone / Mars Attacks line.
Lagoon83: @smurf - Considering how different we are games-wise (I am no tactical genius!), I think it shows how KoW armies can appeal to a huge variety of people
Cavatore: nothing, it's perfect just the way it is (Bridget Jones music starts)... ;-)
bidge: Will there be lots of vehicles coming out for Warpath, possibly during the KS?
ronnieatmantic: smurf - Dwarfs - straight and abyssal, but oh my the ogres are calling to me in a big way
dignity: my thoughts on character combat would be to give those who are bad in combat a break away rule giving up there next turn to run away from the bog block of infantry thats about to munch them
daedle: @grotham, there's about 40 on the list but not sure how many are still active
drjonarg: A agh, If characters get tripled they will be overpointed
Lagoon83: Steady on, Alessio. Let's not turn this into a rom-com. Just yet.
Cavatore: I think cavalry might need a little help...
ronnieatmantic: thud - see you at the open day
johnp: @ bidge yes there will be KoW building
Lagoon83: @johnp - Here you go! http://www.manticgames....html grotham: @daedle I am active atleast. as active as I can........
bidge: @ John cool
mythril: Yay to KoW buildings
daltoncalford: @cavatore, the unit stats for KOW keep the wavering/route numbers within two points of each other - any thought of increasing or decreasing the spread based upon race - ie elves having one point lower on wavering while dwarves are one point higher, while route values stay the same? It would make the elves have more of a glass jaw ie it would be an easy stat change that would give the effects of certain special rules
smurf: I never pictured you as a bearded stuntie Ronnie :p.
johnp: Many thanks Lagoon
cyphertheory: @mythril that's not Mythril of youtube fame is it?
dinoman87: Will a castle be included with the builds for seiges?
mythril: Yep
Cavatore: oooohhhh I didn't know you could post links...
forevermore: Will we see an update to the army lists soon now that we have had a chance to find out which units work and which don't?
sukura636: Actually, I;ve heard wonderful things about using a 'disengage/break away' rules for scouts.
just throwing it out tehre
agtfos: Logging off now. Thanks guys.
bidge: @ Mythril Hey honey,
badgertheking: @daltoncalford Great question
ronnieatmantic: bidge - yes, definately the plan
cyphertheory: @mythril great! keep up the excellent vids, liked your recent stuff
mythril: Hey bidge xxxx
Cavatore: @dalton, yes, that's something we have considered...
Lagoon83: It's a veritable who's-who of Youtubers in here
mythril: Thanks cypher
Cavatore: disengage? nope never heard, no really!
splizat: Does Mantic plan on doing with any other licensed games after Mars Attacks?
Cavatore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX1zFtGW0XE
ronnieatmantic: smurf - fraid so! northern!
Cavatore: Whoops, I accidentally typed a link in...
dragqueeninspace: why woulkd a character need a break away rule when they are not locked in combat and can move any direction?
salagam19: Next Mantic Podcast
Lagoon83: WHOOPS HOW DID THAT HAPPEN you clumsy so-and-so Alessio
smurf: Next question. Are there any plans in the next edition of Kings of War to change Special rules like, Elite, Vicious and Regeneration to vary depending on unit size?. Or to perhaps work similar to Zap!(n). So having Regeneration(5) on a unit?
blackspiral: We need some cool vehicles in Deadzone such as drop ships and APCs.... Deadzone2 kick starter?
salagam19: colour me intrigued Alessio!
johnp: So are there any teasers that you guys can let us know about
warzan: Hello Guys!
Cavatore: so how's the breakaway rule supposed to work?
salagam19: Tarot cards....
sukura636: Oh clumsy alessio posting links to secret things
salagam19: Poker night mantic style
Lagoon83: @blackspiral - Steady on! We're only just getting the first one done!
badgertheking: I played a siege battle a few weeks ago and it was awesome fun. Any pllans to expand the rules? A sidge supplement? (mantic fort and ladders would be awesome)
salagam19: Snap?
blackspiral: Can never have enough!!!
Cavatore: special rules changing in points/effect with size is something we are considering...
cyphertheory: @BoW - do you think you could produce a video on how to best work and tidy up restic? i know some people struggle with it and treat it in a similar way to plastic
ronnieatmantic: splitz - we hope to look at 1 every year to 18 months. All next year is our own works - so maybe 2015 will see one. We are also looking to work with other designers to heklp them launch their projects (like Loka with Alessio)
Lagoon83: @cyphertheory - Sounds like a plan! Justin, what says you?
sukura636: It would hopefully make scouts pulling away from combat more effective - pulling off hit and run attacks by being able to move further away than a standard unit would.
ronnieatmantic: yeh James - next mantic podcast?
warzan: @cyphertheory We will add that to the list and see if we can produce somthing shortly
johnp: I second that for vehicles :-)
cyphertheory: good stuff
winterwolf: Will WP have near-final troop lists and list construction hammered out for new "3.0" lists before final DZ and MA surveys are out :p
Cavatore: I see, moving back faster after attacking someone... consider that rule stolen!!!
Lagoon83: Ronnie - Might work better on video. Maybe BoW could get their resident French genius to do something?
ronnieatmantic: badger - i would love to do a pladtic castle - and if you have a castlle you may as well have some rules....
mythril: We need to get Ronnie doing a screen chat again, I love it when he gets leaky
salagam19: Got it!
sukura636: Oooh yes - are there lists for DZ forces in WP on their way, and if so when?
salagam19: 52 card pick up!
Lagoon83: Mythril - There's an image none of us needed.
mythril: Lol Cavatore: no, it's not great when he gets leaky!
ronnieatmantic: cypher - good idea. we have moved to abetter material recently too and that looks to have helped.
daedle: .
Lagoon83: Oh, hang on! There's Warren. Hi Warren!
badgertheking: @ronnie sounds..... Intresting
sukura636: i'll dig out the actul topic, for appropriate credit
johnp: @ Ronnie i see your wetting ppls appetite
ronnieatmantic: winterwolf - good idea. we will certainly aim for that
cyphertheory: @ronnie thats good to know, I did have some trouble with my revenant knights
salagam19: Do we have to thank Warren for getting drunk at Salute?
somegeezer: +1 for the new restic. DB S3 minis infinitely better than S2
grotham: @ronnie maybe two different castles in the DZ terrain style? a stone and a wooden one?
sukura636: Yah, new material is really good. My teratons required so little work!
tk421: I believe the term we use now is 'doing a Ronie' when something is leaked....
lorgaroz: lol Lagoon83: Oooh, can you imagine a fantasy stronghold in the same style as Deadzone terrain?? Having played around with the sci-fi stuff that makes me ridiculously excited.
daltoncalford: @cavatore, Have you given any consideration for special rules for units named troop/regiment/horde? Currently there are troops in some armies that have the same or more models in it than regiments or half regiments in other armies. For example, in one of our house rules, troops are considered skirmish fighters, so they are easier to overwhelm with a fighting force - ie if attacked by a regiment or horde and destroyed, the attacker can move and attack again as per the individual rules
ronnieatmantic: mythril - did you joun on FB today?
smurf: Next Question. At next years Clash of Kings is there any chance anyone from Mantic could spare a day in their hectic schedule and actually play in the tournament? . It would be a great opportunity to play the guys behind the game!.
bidge: Dang did not even know about the FB one today
salagam19: @Alessio.....come on.....info needed!
Lagoon83: @smurf - I might see if I can make it along! Could be hilarious. I s*** at tactical play.
sukura636: My sink is 'doing a Ronnie'
Cavatore: I would love to play in the tournament!
Lagoon83: blimey.
mythril: Missed it noooooooo
Me: @badger: Could even have modular DKH dungeon sprue that can be vertically built into 3d layouts or an entire castle. :p
Lagoon83: I got censored!
Lagoon83: that was a "uck", not anything else
salagam19: er Alessio....didn't you win some big events in your time?
daedle: @lagoon83? Really? I think you're great! Not turning those mummies to face the flankers was a fabulous tactic
mythril: Do I need to go hunting
Cavatore: I'm not sure I understand the question dalton...
smurf: I'll be holding you guys to that now :p.
somegeezer: @lagoon sure [nods]
ronnieatmantic: some geezer - glad to hear that . we were pleased.
cyphertheory: @scarletsquig that would be very useful if still modular!
ronnieatmantic: grotham - stone and wood - nice idea too
sukura636: IF HP terrain comes for KoW, you must have dwarvern holds.
Lagoon83: @daedle - I'm gonna remove one component from your DZ order for each word of slander :p
Cavatore: i won one Italian Warhammer GT and two GW staff tournaments...
igillies: @daedle lol johnp: got to say i get the warm fuzzys with this like i used to with 'other' games Its great to feal part of something other than being kept in the dark
grotham: I can give you more ideas Ron. My mad and crazy brain is filled with em.
salagam19: ....al washed up now though ;-)
daedle: @lagoon, luckily I've not said anything that's not true yet
tk421: @Smurf.... Is not playing us Pathfinders fun enough for you?
Lagoon83: HA
bidge: @Lagoon You can add anything you take out of Daedles to mine. I'm sure he won't mind.
ronnieatmantic: smurf - last year becuase rthere was prize money I baned Mantic staff from playing (they are very competitive!) would you be happy top play them?
Cavatore: who's Al?
smurf: Ofcourse!
salagam19: sorry...All.... :-)
Cavatore: ...and I'm not Mantic staff!!!! ;-)
grotham: OH GODS!!!! @cavatore you need to make a viking race for KoW!!! not human but half bear half human style
salagam19: is that Moonlight Sonata on the teaser trailer
Lagoon83: Ron - how about we can play, but if we win (HA!) we donate the funds to charity?
sukura636: Hahahaha
arcaneshield: Would really love a stronger North American presense.
daltoncalford: @ cavatore, you have units with troop in the name, but, for all intents and purposes, the name is irrelevant as you have troops with 20 models and regiments with 10 models (half regiments). So, there is no game difference between the two. So, why not have some rule that more reflects the tactical differences between troops and regiments
Cavatore: yup, moonlight sonata...
dignity: ok gents im off i'll leave you with @warzan have fun
ronnieatmantic: sorry Mythril - did you send me a freind request today on FB? I got one.
forevermore: will we be seeing an update to the army lists before KoW 2.0?
jorghe: @Cavatore: you should tell us when you will be back there in Italy! Now that we have our own pathfinder we can arrange a tournament with u!
smurf: Sounds like we have some VIP's confirmed for Clash of Kings next year then? :p
bidge: +1 Lagoon on charity
mythril: +1 to you guys winning for charity
Lagoon83: @arcaneshield - We're working on it! Starting to recruit Pathfinders who want to spread the word...
warzan: %Thanks @dignity!
ronnieatmantic: cavatore - you were yound (and horrid) in those days
Lagoon83: Night Justin!
tk421: @Smurf. Of course we are allVIP's
johnp: +0ne here
ronnieatmantic: grotham - email me - these days everything is possible!
smurf: ^^
daedle: @Ronnie, all your staff are competitive?!? Even James?!?
mythril: I sent a g+ request! I've been your friend on fb for a while
Cavatore: I was, that's the key to winning tournaments! The eye of the tiger'!
Cavatore: Not often back in italy...
salagam19: Well I might be tempted to re-enter the competitive arena.
mythril: I finally worked g+ out a little
salagam19: But no tigers
ronnieatmantic: Lagoon - that was my thinking - but then I saw Josh had an army with 24 (yes 24!) single drakon riders - and that was that!
bidge: The fluffs there for it, are you considering giving us an underwater race anytime soon for KoW and what direction will these take if you do or plan to do at this moment in time?
Lagoon83: I shudder at some of the chat that goes on between Tim and Josh (our two tournament-heads) in the office...
Cavatore: @dalton that sounds a bit artificial, if I get what you mean...
grotham: @Ron I already did a week or so ago. also took you up on your advice and test played it. It needs a lot of work, but the club found it most entertaining and enjoyable
sukura636: @salagem but what about the basilean tiger cavalry?
Lagoon83: 24 Drakon Riders??? that's it, I'm hiding his lunch tomorrow.
salagam19: oh yeah :-)
mythril: I love the basileans the detail is amazing
daedle: lol mythril
johnp: Guys I would like to thank you for your time tonight and the fantastic work your doing keep it up ;-0 i will email you about pathfinders coming to my club and hopefully see you all at the open day unfortunatly these KoW orc wont paint them selfs
salagam19: the Basileans are on my to do list
Cavatore: yes, units of single models need looking at...
mythril: The panthers are so sweet, so what's coming next for them?
ronnieatmantic: we need to get the clash of Kings organised. What were the veiws abut the cash prize? grea tincentive - or adding stress to a fun event? We could do a really cool trpohy instead (someone suggested something cool, but i forgot it!)
salagam19: Maybe only characters or super large monsters should be allowed to be on their own
Cavatore: winner gets a painted army?
cyphertheory: @johnp +1 this is perhaps something GW needs to learn to do, being open to feedback doesnt mean it is all bad!
ronnieatmantic: g+ - that was it!!!
daedle: @cavatore, man imagine if you had a document in your possession written by some of the top tournament players which was 90% of the way to rebalancing KoW?
tk421: You should have seen what the Evil Spaniard took in the 2nd ed rules of the game. Was it 15 cannon? Back when it was at Maelstrom....
Lagoon83: @johnp - See you at the open day! Happy painting
salagam19: @Ronnie ....great idea but ive seen no reports on how tense things got
Lagoon83: @ronnie - was it the engraved Basilean men-at-arms shield?
mythril: Trophy and token cash prize would be cool
sukura636: Or the 7 assassins...
Cavatore: rebalancing? You didn't see the earlier message about it being perfect?! ;-)
bidge: Product rather than cash. Fun though has to be the top priority over Power Gamers so overall needs to be trophy
badgertheking: I dont lke cash prize
smurf: i heard that document wasn't finished and still needed lots of play testing...
dragqueeninspace: characters on round bases y/n? corners chip so.
salagam19: I'd enter but woulkd be hogging lower tables. Mates at the club though would enjoy competing for that sort of money
badgertheking: makes people to stressted and competive
ronnieatmantic: johnP - thanks for coming on, now get painting!
drjonarg: Design you own character as a prize would be cool.
daedle: @Ronnie, I had some anecdotal feedback that the cash prize was off putting and was why some people didn't enter. Only small numbers though and all anecdotal
johnp: Will post pics up in the next few days ;-)
ronnieatmantic: cypher - it could have been a british gas on twitter moment
sukura636: there are always wooden spoons for last place
salagam19: Painted units or army is good,
badgertheking: yeah actually having something in the game you invented would be an amazing prize]
mythril: Design your own character could result in a whole army eventually drjonarg
winterwolf: I like the idea of token trophy and product as prize versus cash
salagam19: Mantic vouchers would work too
tk421: Any thoughts on bringing out a Dwarf Flying Warmachine.......please....... with a breath attack.
cyphertheory: @ronnie lol i could imagine it now.. what body part do you recommend selling so I can upgrade to the newest army codex
Me: @Ronnie - Have you heard of PDC tooling down in Wiltshire? Got some of their sprues, really happy with them, very quality stuff and they're looking for clients: http://www.pdcgaming.c...about ronnieatmantic: salagam - you'll see John Peace on those tables - I have never et anyone so determined to win - the wooden spoon!
jorghe: trophies or medals are the best prizes imho Me: (they're not paying me, I swear!)
Cavatore: yes, I think only charcterrs/monsters and maybe single chariots going around on their own would be better. Those single models were supposed to be just a bit of fun, but then the evil spamming hit... I blame Josh!
Lagoon83: @tk421 - I reckon there are other games where you could get one of those!
mythril: Cypher you have loads of fingers you could loose a few easy enough
cyphertheory: @scarletsquig I second that, those sprues from PDC were great
ronnieatmantic: drjon - nice idea for a prize.
cyphertheory: @mythril lol nah thats just for finecast characters. but I digress :p
mythril: lol Cavatore: painted army! painted army!
dragqueeninspace: pdc stuff is all straight lines and simple gemometric shapers though that makes it a lot easier
aslskfan: Have some prizes for the top placers, but also some raffle prizes for the participants. Not everyone can win, but it takes many players to make it a better tourney....
Cavatore: painted army! painted army!
tk421: yes but you miss the point. I want to use them in this rules set....... though proxing as a Bezerker Lord with wings of the Honeymaze and mounted works......kinda.....
salagam19: painted army woop woop
mythril: With mantic everyone is already a winner
aslskfan: Yes, a painted army would be a very cool prize..
sukura636: Whip up your own stats for the game
salagam19: raffle prizes.....spot prizes for biggest lose in one game that sort of thing!
bidge: The fluffs there for it, are you considering giving us an underwater race anytime soon for KoW and what direction will these take if you do or plan to do at this moment in time?
ronnieatmantic: daedle - yeh I ave had the same it was intended to tempt away some competitive player from - well you know - so they could see what a great game it was. But it didnt and just added a level of stress that parhaps didnt help the fun factor - that said with such a large amount of money about it was a brilliant atmosphere and people played in such a nice, fair way.
baragash: Ronnie & Alessio... my personal feeling is that we need more Fantasy with our Dwarves. Any plans or considerations for expanding that. Perhaps adding a cave lizard theme to the list, trogladytes as a "slave" race, <insert other ideas here>... cos at the moment they're "just" Dwarves and it feels like there's a missed opportunity to do something a bit more exciting than everyone else is doing with them at the moment
winterwolf: Painted army would be cool, but may be over the top
jorghe: @mythril: a mantic marketing nerd has already stolen your sentence
grotham: @ron @james @cavatore. I will have to bid you a good evening. I need to turn my nose back into my painting so I am ready to spread the word of mantic the 30th of november
Lagoon83: So guys, we had some questions on the Beasts of War thread - I might start throwing those open to Ron and Alessio if that's okay?
aslskfan: Yes, spread the prizes out and I bet you will get more players. They are taking a chunk of time to play.....
drjonarg: But then they won't match the ones I painted.
mythril: ok I'm hooked!
ronnieatmantic: scarlet - will oook a tthe link now. thanks
Lagoon83: @grotham - Pleasure chatting! See you soon.
Lagoon83: @jorghe - You leave Chris alone
Me: Awesome.
dinoman87: Go ahead Lagoon83
jorghe: lol ronnieatmantic: yes, have spoke to them recently. nice people
winterwolf: @drjonarg - I would expect the painter to paint the army down to my level so it matched, if I won
winterwolf: :p
smurf: Even with Clash of Kings this year having such a large prize pool it was still a balanced army that won it, which does prove KoW's potential as a competitive game.
cyphertheory: @bidge wait, is that Squidgy bidge of youtube fame also? it's community stars in here tonight!
Lagoon83: A request rather than a question from noggin - this one looks like it's for Alessio. " I’d like Mantic to publish suggested base sizes for the models they don’t make. Most of the time it doesn’t matter, but for more competitive games it’s be great."
daedle: @Ronnie, can you confirm that you will never ever let a person called Mat Ward anywhere near your rules, background or balancing decisions?
aslskfan: Are we going to see Kings of War at Adepticon in 2014?? Nothing on the schedule so far.....
mythril: daeedle lol bidge: @ Cybertheory LOL It moi
Cavatore: yes, I just finished the new FAQs for Cavatore's Cavern and it includes the base size thing
Lagoon83: Awesome! Thanks.
tk421: Brilliant.....
salagam19: @ daedle literally lol bidge: @ Deadle +!
smurf: awesome alessio
warzan: @daedle I think you will find that Matt Ward is one of the few left in GW who brings any fun to the game.
natarath: Hey guys
ronnieatmantic: baragash - I thin the brock riders have started that - and they have a king on giant brokk just sculpted - so i think we could dig deeper (pun!) with them in the future!
warzan: Everyone else works for Mantic, Warlord, Battlefront or Riverhorse
tk421: lol Cavatore: Or all of them at the same time!!!
salagam19: Brock riders are a genius idea
blackspiral: LOL @warzan
mythril: salagam totally
Lagoon83: Ronnie, question for you from dinoman87:
"What are [you] currently working on miniatures wise for Kings of War and Warpath?"
Cavatore: thanks! I told Ronnie badgers were better than bears!!
salagam19: Don't spread yourself too thin Alessio
aslskfan: very true warzan...
ronnieatmantic: smurf - balanced - exactly, be nice to keep it about the armies, not characters and heroes
smurf:
mythril: i want bears too now
salagam19: naaah badgers!
bidge: Wolverines
aslskfan: Wolverines?
dragqueeninspace: Is any thing being done to make the dwarf list a little more varied? Currently they are just variations on a theme.
forevermore: will we see any new and updated army lists before the new book?
ronnieatmantic: aslskfan - yes, just been on with Hank earlier today.
mythril: aslskfan +10
salagam19: Yes, Ronnie, if you love Army Painter you must have at least one of each army nearing completion!
Cavatore: Not unless it's in a book, I think
cyphertheory: @BoW/Warzan do you find it easier to be enthusiastic about reporting/promoting with companies such as Mantic when they are as open and accessible as this? Thanks to the BoW team for arranging this, its great
bidge: Not bears, not badgers, Wolverines. Its my personal fetish!
salagam19: +1 for BoW drjonarg: chariots, more chariots, I got a bunch of GW chariots and nothing to play.
aslskfan: Ronnie, awesome!
cyphertheory: @bidge Honey Badgers!
natarath: Hey Ronnie just want to say hello to you guys and Mantic team, I am a painter and have been nothing else in the hobby since I started in 1998. Because of the rules you guys have put into the Kings of War game I have actually gone out and started to play my own game with my son for the first time and it is the easiest game to pick up.
Cavatore: I feel spread too thin, like butter sread over too much bread...
ronnieatmantic: At Adepticon -
Thursday - Kings of War Tournament (3:00pm - 6:30pm)
1500 points
3 Games
smurf: Next Question. Currently as KoW is about big groups of armies and as units are removed as an entire unit not as individual models. Most players tend to use Movement trays or just unitbase their units. I know that Mantic in the past was going to make Movement Trays but there was a tooling problem or something. Will you be looking to make your own sets of Movement Trays in the future?
Cavatore: Plane ticket offered by Ronnie personally! Or not?
aslskfan: Ronnie, Fantastic!! Thursday it is. I will spread the word.
salagam19: if I win the laottery, Im out to Adepticon next year.
badgertheking: http://www.counteratta...o.uk/ bidge: Can we have a Deadzone equivalent for KoW. Pllleeeaaaassseeeeee?
salagam19: @Ronnie....have you ever approached the D6 Generation podcast
Lagoon83: @aslskfan - I seem to recall you were going to give Ronnie some advice on who to send to Adepticon...
ronnieatmantic: what am I working on - just finishing my ForgeFather team (oops!) had an Abyssal army painted for me! and Dwarfs for KoW. Think I am going Rebs in DZ
salagam19: they are huge in the states
mythril: Skirmish rules for KoW universe would be very awesome
warzan: @cyphertheory We are enthusiastic about the industry full stop. But some companies make our jobs and love of the hobby a lot easier - And these companies deserve the success they work hard to achieve
badgertheking: http://www.counteratta...o.uk/ They would love the rights to make mantic bases and counters etc :0
Cavatore: skirmish rules... interesting topic...
ronnieatmantic: D^ - dont think our paths have crossed. not recently - James- shuold we reach out to them>?
bidge: @ Warzan +1
Lagoon83: I reckon we should!
tris: Ok giving up on trying to catch up, will cards for Warpath models in warpath at any point?
Cavatore: the Cavatore's cavern will include new, additional rules too... and I think skirmish rules could be a good topic...
salagam19: James...yes!
ronnieatmantic: smurf - there is a story over a beer there.Our tool maker made them perfectly - but 2mm too small!
bidge: +1 Cavatore for skirmish
Cavatore: Oh, and by the way, I'm continuing to call it 'Cavatore's Cavern' just because Ronnie hates it!!!
;-)
Lagoon83: Just tweeted the D6 generation gang. Let's see what happens!
dragqueeninspace: sounds like specialist porn
salagam19: Along with Mantic Radio and podcast, they are great at spreading the qword. Amazed they haven't looked at Dreadball and Deadzone would be right up their street
cyphertheory: @cavatore - it echos!
Cavatore: what echo?
Lagoon83: @alessio - Oh dear. Ronnie's going to beat me tomorrow.
bidge: I liked Rules of War by whomever suggested it.
smurf: was the 2mm mistake on your end or theirs though? :p
ronnieatmantic: natarath - a great story. I am really pleased that it gives you time woth you son.
Cavatore: echoooo echoooo echooo
daedle: @Ronnie, the decision to mount models on the 15mm round bases was a sound idea for KoW units and your brilliant bases there, but they're starting to become more of a hindrance, particularly for Warpath models. Are they going to continue or are you looking at dropping them for the more unsuitable models?
drjonarg: 1st post to cav's cav, will be about the twelve dice limit.
aslskfan: Yes Ronnie, lagoon83 would be an awesome addition to the Adepticon team. :-)
Cavatore: ...which is a great idea!
ronnieatmantic: badger - we are happy to work with good compaies to offer nice product to support the fgame. tell them to get in touch.
cyphertheory: @daedle I was thinking the same thing, I find I have to fill the gap between to the two bases
Lagoon83: See Ron? Entirely unprompted, there.
ronnieatmantic: I will be doing something to cavatores cavern!
Lagoon83: ...you heard it here first.
salagam19: After James' hard work on BoW week he deserves a ticket to Adepticon!
mythril: Oh myyyyy
somegeezer: aaaand the prize for tonight's most unwelcome mental image goes to ... Ron!
bidge: Can we have a video hangout with you guys (preferably before) MA finishes, but not during Marvel Agents of S.H.E.I.L.D.
Cavatore: Oh dear... did you know my name means 'quarryman' in Italian? So Cavatore's Cave?
natarath: @Ronnie Hey mate I have been working with http://www.back2base-ix.com/ via e-mails here in Australia, to develop a new movement tray for the Kings of War range so far it is suggested to fit 10 - 20 - 40 man and it will also have a inbuilt wound counter. We are still working on it and the idea came up when I seen this post http://theminiaturespa...25298 . What do you guys think? and would you guys eventually try a hand at making something like this for the range?
salagam19: so long its not something in Cavatores Cavern...
Me: Careful, there are giant hippos in there.
cyphertheory: I think Cavatore's cavern should make an apperance in a story somewhere, almost like a mystics cave where knowledge is sought
mythril: scarlet squig lolololol
Lagoon83: @Bidge - Interesting idea! Let me see what I can do.
salagam19: special terrain feature....
Spoiler:
ronnieatmantic: smurf - they wer emaking it for themselves and we were goin gto bundle and sell with KoW - the 2mm was becuase ur bases dont shrink in the mould, so are 2mm bigger than all the others at 100mm wide. Just one of those things.
smurf: oof
ronnieatmantic: daedle - yes definatley something we will look at for warpath.
smurf: not as bad as space agencies mixing up cm and inches though heh ^^
dragqueeninspace: some of the old gw cav bases are 24.5mm wide each, that really adds up
ronnieatmantic: James - you dont want to go to chicago and talk games all day do you? nah!
Lagoon83: @smurf - a very similar thing happened with our stand at Essen last weekend...
tk421: Are there any plans to release a dwarf Bulwalker metal arm for the plastic dwarfs?
salagam19: do zombies scream 'brainnnnzzzzzzzzzz'>?
mattl: i don't have anything constructive to add, i'll just say i think James is doing a great job (especially now we have him on reddit) and I'm loving going through all my Kickstarter stuff. I just can't wait for my big big big order of DZ stuff to come so I can start taking over the Northeast USA with Mantic goodness.
Lagoon83: @ronnie - Yeah, sounds awful. Must be a dreadful burden on you - I'll gladly jump on that grenade.
daedle: @Ronnie, I saw an Ogre Warlock WIP when I visited. Do we have any ideas on a tentative release date, and are there Ogre Braves on the way at the same time?
Lagoon83: Hi Matt! Go team reddit - now there are two of us reading r/mantic!
ronnieatmantic: bidge - be great. when works? saturday?
mattl: i think there's more moderators than readers.
mattl: but yes
blackspiral: +1 James!! He does an amazing job quelling all the trolls!
salagam19: What is reddit?
Lagoon83: Steady on guys, I'll need a fan club at this rate.
Lagoon83: i.e. a large weapon for beating fans away
ronnieatmantic: drag - that is the shrinkage i was talking about.
mattl: http://mantic.reddit.com/ daedle: @lagoon, thank god you don't feel the need to beat the fans off
bidge: Sounds good by me.
mattl: ronnie -- what's the state of hard plastics, is Renedra a total write off now?
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - yes in Febraury with Brokkers (and new brokker kings) and adwarf Bombard - oh Alessio - we need rules for that!
Lagoon83: Salagam - reddit is... well, it's a website! Hmm. Sort of like a digest of the internet. People post up links to interesting content, others then vote it up or down. The front page is a constantly changing sea of interesting stuff. Then there are subreddits, like r/mantic, where you can talk about particular topics
cyphertheory: @bidge/ronnie that would be an interesting watch and a very good idea
daedle: ... MORE DWARF ARTILLERY?!?
daedle: Are you insane?!?
goban: @ Ronie Threaten (Treat) the lad with a one way ticket
Cavatore: your wish is my command!
natarath: @BeastofWarTeam, thanks for the Kings of War week I was already a fan but when I scrolled through all the comments under all the vids you guys changed alot of peoples mind about Kings of War and it looks like it will start to pick up alot more here in Australia
salagam19: +1 for what natarath said
smurf: Bombard? O.o
smurf: mega heavy cannon?
ronnieatmantic: mattl - no =- we work well with Renedra but we cannot get all the peices to work properly in terms of quanties and bits on the mould. We still look at projects with them and they nearly did the building sprues for us.
salagam19: Have the prize giveaways been decided for KoW week? I was reslly hoping for one!
daedle: DWARF BROKKERS?!? DWARF GLIDERS?!?
Lagoon83: Ron / Alessio - Serious question from the BoW comments, from user shinra:
"When will we see the Fish-men army that you jokingly mentioned some years ago?"
Cavatore: bombard that fires brokkers... or maybe brokkers on badgers...
ronnieatmantic: Mattl _ I packed you DB order! glad it got there!"
salagam19: Free up funds for MAKS!
mythril: Fish women could give nice sculpt options too!
Cavatore: fish men? I think Rick Priestley is gonna write those for KOW...
...
just kidding!
smurf: If it's dwarven artillery it should just shoot more cannons which in turn fire in midair :p.
Cavatore: ni ce idea smurf!
radegast6: fisharmy sound interesting]
mattl: ronnieatmantic -- thanks. i have faith in seeing hard plastic again... the sprueless stuff is starting to look really really nice now, i'm glad that's a good alt.
aslskfan: @Ronnie, of course James wants to go to Chicago. He can run the tourney for us, talk games, and run KoW and Dreadabll demos!
ronnieatmantic: daedle - yes and we will release with other KoW lines. We have dwarf on dwarf action in Febraury - so sometime after that I think.
Cavatore: Movement 1 on dry land!
baragash: I think someone mentioned it before but a nautical/Atlantis themed army would be cool
Me: I assumed naiads in the nature list were fishmen.
tk421: @Ronnie - Would this be something you will be fielding against my Abyssal army then.... Did you just 'do a Ronnie'....
Looking forward to The War of The Beard in February. Must build more Golems.....
smurf: @Ronnie, James, Alessio. Since we now know your favorite Kings of War armies. What would be your ideal "Dream" Army or Race to be added to the Kings of War Universe?
salagam19: 'The War of the Beard?' what is this/
bombkangaroo: Dwarf on Dwarf action? I guess I'm not the only wargamer who goes on those particular websites. :p
mythril: ad vs normal dwarves
radegast6: is it somethink like Movember?
Lagoon83: @salagam - It's what we're not calling our Dwarf / Abyssal Dwarf release in February!
natarath: I would like a insect army, think of the heavy artillery could be big dung Beatles that open up their wings to hold troops as it slowly walks across the battlefield
natarath: lol Cavatore: I designed an insect army once...
badgertheking: bring it to kow Cavatore: something oriental... samurai insects?
ronnieatmantic: natarath - great point - the BoW guys have been brilliant giving us this KoW week and I hope it will bring in more people to the game - it deserves it. Tthanks Warren and all at BoW salagam19: Ah Dwarf on dwarf action! Great stuff.
radegast6: true - bravo for BoW cyphertheory: @ronnie 1+ BoW doing what BoW do well
mythril: reapeat choja at this moment
Lagoon83: @smurf - Ooh, good question. From a personal point of view, I'd love to see an army of clockwork automatons. Like the Army of Oz in Return to Oz, but less naff. More like that guy out of Hellboy.
orinoco: @natarath the mars attacks giant bugs would come in useful for that
ronnieatmantic: fishmen already live in DZ - so I am sure they will appear In KoW soon
aslskfan: @cavatore but, the are in the Warpath universe.
salagam19: But who won the prizes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
mattl: ronnieatmantic -- we're all aware of BoW getting grief from GW. what are companies like mantic doing to push back against this attack on the wargaming press?
natarath: @cavatore hmm yeah that does sound good mate
natarath: they would be a good horde army and alot of conversion stuff to do as well
daedle: @Ronnie, for the not War Of The Beard, what releases are planned for the naughty dwarfs?
cyphertheory: @mattl interesting question!
natarath: @orinoco yes! great idea
ronnieatmantic: tk421 - I will be using the studio army - not becuase mine arnet painted of course - just ebcuase I thought you would enjoy that
radegast6: how long is it takes to create model from idea to sprue?
Lagoon83: @matt - We're actually going the opposite way. We're going to start invasively stalking the BoW crew until they pay us more attention. I'm heading over to the bushes outside Warren's house as soon as I finish this chat.
Cavatore: Great idea Ronnie!
mattl: BoW seem to be the best in terms of professional output in our community. Maybe they could be hired to make videos for Mantic and their various KS projects.
ronnieatmantic: bombK - dont know what sites you refer too :0
crovax20: @Ronnie are there any plans for a dreadball gamemat? (The stuff you can buy for trading card games to play on)
blackspiral: LOL mattl: Lagoon83: great, i think BoW is too important to lose.
mattl: need ten more sites like BoW, not less.
dais: @cavatore What are some of your favorite games of the modern era that influence you the most. (there have to be some games you didn't write out there)
lorgaroz: True!
warzan: @lagoon83 I'm on my way out with my tub of lube mate
cyphertheory: @Mattl i think we should also remember all of the independants on Youtube that bring us excellent unboxings and product reviews
natarath: I have a stupid amount of Mantic Games products to paint :s ... It would be safe to say over 2,000+ models in my cupboard. And @Ronnie my wife caught onto the whole 'it is just a video in those cases' LONG AGO! does not work no more LOL Lagoon83: Blimey.
Cavatore: are there any games I didn't write out there?
;-)
smurf: A clockwork army would probably be my new favorite KoW army and i allready have 6 >.<. MAKE IT HAPPEN!
somegeezer: What are the plans for Dreadball season 4? Any new teams?
mattl: Cavatore: no, only games you co-wrote with Rick.
dragqueeninspace: Have you thought of having a big promo game of KOW, maybe at a local club or suitable venue? Make a stunt out of it in terms of size. Maybe get epople to bring 2k of painted anything and line them up on a huge board.
daedle: @cavatore, yes there was a brilliant one called Starship Troopers which had some fantastic mechanics that could be borrowed
mattl: cyphertheory: true. feel free to send me some accounts to look at (i'm mattl on the mantic forums)
Cavatore: I love old MIlton Bradley stuff (Axis & Allies, Shogun...), but also cooperative boardgames... like Galactica...
radegast6: ronny@
ronnieatmantic: the naughties have the Golems, the restic Immortal guard, new army set (back to the normal price now ther eis much less or no metal)
mattl: daedle: i think it's called Judge Dredd now
smurf: I think there is a huge game planned at totalwargamer, they also did one at the mantic open day
Lagoon83: Galactica is anything but cooperative :p
Cavatore: You're talking about the Avalon Hill Starshiop Troopers? I have it here at home and I do think it's awesome!!!
radegast6: ronnie - how long it takes to create model from first drawings to sprue?
Cavatore: Starship...
daedle: The Andy Chambers one
ronnieatmantic: radegast6 9 -12 months if the game exists, like a koW model - longer if the game is new too 18 months for a system.
mattl: Cavatore: the short lived Mongoose one.
daedle: The other brilliant games designed called AC sukura636: Niiiiice
Cavatore: Never actually played it... But I'd love to at least read it!
daedle: @Cavatore, can I drop you an email with some... ideas?
Cavatore: I will try to get a copy from Andy C!
cyphertheory: @mattl was that the one that Andy did?
ronnieatmantic: natarath - they are coming in black for DeadZone (yes that is a 'doing a Ronnie') - they are much easier to disguise!
Cavatore: ideas? what kind of ideas?
Lagoon83: @Alessio - Let me know next time you're in, I'll bring my rulebook in for you
salagam19: @Warzan......any big announcement for the army giveaways from KoW week?
natarath: hahaah thanks Ronnie
mythril: Drip drip
Cavatore: Next Tuesday please!
ronnieatmantic: somegeezer - oh dreadball - we'll we have 3 more seasons planned...and 12 new teams!
daedle: @Ronnie, are there any Naughty Dwarf releases planned for the war of the beard?
somegeezer: Blimey.
Lagoon83: I'll do my best to remember!
masteroftheforce: so Ronnie, when are we going to see Warpath releases? You did some great stuff with KoW...
mattl: Cavatore: you can pick up the whole game for about $60 on ebay US.
Lagoon83: Oh no, Ronnie's leaking again!
radegast6: @ronnie - are you thinking about opening official store ?
neves1789: 12 new teams, that's a bunch!
tk421: Starship Troopers by Mongoose was a good game. Will bring up a spare rule book I have for the open day.
Or you can just borrow James's......
Hes 'done a Ronnie'
ronnieatmantic: dragqueen - I would love to do that, a massive game . there was a 40,000 poit one a few weeks ago which was fun from the pciutres but a huge one would be brilliant.
natarath: @Ronnie what is happening with the Twilight Kin? not much but some heroes pics been released. Anything else happening with them?
aslskfan: @ohiohammer2011 would like to know when he can expect to see a Kingdoms of Men army..
mattl: Lagoon83: when's the next mantic podcast coming out?
cyphertheory: @ronnie I always wondered about the cases vs boxes thing, was there a large difference in production costs? I have to be honest and say I never found them that useful :(
warzan: @salagam19 We think next weekend
Lagoon83: You know you're talking Kings of War when a 40,000 point game doesn't qualify as "big".
ronnieatmantic: the naughties have the Golems, the restic Immortal guard, new army set (back to the normal price now ther eis much less or no metal)
sukura636: @cyber theory - they transport most of my army around...
Lagoon83: @mattl - It's been held up slightly with Mars Attacks - will be contacting Ben next week to get it set up!
cyphertheory: that is to say was it a decision that was a design choice rather than convenience
andy2d6: @Ronnie . I posted on facebook about buying some Basilean Paladins and converting them into Undead Revenants with two-handed weapons. You responded and ordered one of your underlings to put a deal up on the site, with bits specifically for what I wanted to create. No such deal appeared. :p
Cavatore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX1zFtGW0XE
Oops I did it again!
;-)
warzan: lol Lagoon83: Okay, I'm gonna ask: So Alessio, what's all this card stuff about, then?
brennon: sneaky peeks tsk
sukura636: Alessio != Britney Spears
Cavatore: Something to do with LOka...
Lagoon83: @sukura - prove it.
tk421: Kings of War Big game, pics here
https://www.facebook.c...ype=3 mythril: Please not the red catsuit again
sukura636: Elemental, my dear Cavatore?
salagam19: @Warzan...have I ever told you how much I admire your erudite and informative transmissions on BoW, and how your tactical ability appears second to noe ;-)
smurf: Loka spell cards?
Lagoon83: Just posted up some pictures of the new black Mantic cases over on our twitter page! www.twitter.com/manticgames
salagam19: So not Mantic Poker?
Cavatore: Yes, Warren is a fine tactician...
ronnieatmantic: cyphrer - they allowed us to offer a range - we could not offer that if everhing was printed. I think they are great for db teams and DZ, but once you get bigger armies less so. was also about showing we were ready to try new things.
natarath: https://www.facebook.c...br_tf this is an Australian Kings of War facebook page if any of you Aussies are interested sorry for posting links
Lagoon83: By "some pictures" I mean "a picture"
Cavatore: are you not supposed to post links?
sukura636: Ooooo nice]
ronnieatmantic: andy2d6 - yes, they are terribly slow - emai, me directly and I will make it happen before xmas - or at least offer you a set via paypal!
natarath: unsure Cavatore?
goban: @Ronnie Boxes, would you consider boxws which would carry an army while the fig are glued to the movement trays
natarath: just thought maybe we are not allowed like yourself?
Lagoon83: @andy2D6 - Sorry about that, thought it was being dealt with!
Cavatore: I have a question for you guys... how many of you play/like KOW with a timer/chess clock/app?
masteroftheforce: wow
masteroftheforce: a timer on a wargame?
aslskfan: Waiting for my Loka chess clock to come...
cyphertheory: @cavatore not yet in my group
neves1789: Haven't tried it yet, but certainly will!
sukura636: I do when I can.
Played Mhorgoth's Revenge with 5min/ player
Cavatore: KOW is designed to be played with a chess clock
ronnieatmantic: goban - we ned to get there if it to be a proper carrying solution for KoW armies
mattl: Cavatore: i like it. we actually used it to break up our games and massive painting sessions.
Lagoon83: @masteroftheforce - Yep! Rules are written with that in mind.
tk421: We use one, however after the 1st couple of games we found that we didnt get close to timing out.
mattl: play a 2 hour game, paint for 2 hours, play one more 2 hour game.
dragqueeninspace: I tried it but the game went so fast it made no difference
masteroftheforce: that sounds intense
ronnieatmantic: ok, I have to put the kids to bed. be back in abit
tris: Apart from using it for deployment I like the chess clock.
neves1789: how big were those games where the clock didn't run out?
smurf: I've found at least in the last 3 tournaments i used chess clocks at that they weren't really needed. If you're playing vs someone who knows what they are doing KoW is a very fast game.
Lagoon83: See you in a bit Ronnie!
Cavatore: it is intense, and fair. No time wasting! and games last exactly as long as you want them to...
sukura636: Night Ronnie jrs!.
natarath: I think KoW with a timer would be great thing to ad to the game, would make it interesting, I am more of the type of person that likes to call a couple buddies around and drink and have some pizza. Very casual
tk421: It helped stop the usual players we hate to play against who love to 'talk' their games.....This one guy could make a turn last hours......
sukura636: Its ludicrous fun
badgertheking: if your not close to tiing out give yourselfs less time. Will make it even more strategic
smurf: That was at 1800 points with 1 hour per person and at 1600 with 45mins per person
Lagoon83: @natarath - What's interesting is that it still works as a casual game experience with a timer - just adds a sense of pace!
masteroftheforce: it certainly would put pressure on, forcing quick decisions
natarath: @lagoon83 yeah I agree with that
dragqueeninspace: 1350 @ 45 mins per person
cyphertheory: Do you think you might look at games in different scales? 6mm/10mm/15mm seem to be more popular recently
mattl: Cavatore: did you watch lagoon83 play KoW on BOW yet? I think he did rather well... and he gave a good demo of the rules.
sukura636: ahh 1350 you could easily do with30min per person
goreshade: I would like to play KOW in 10mm
Cavatore: did not... link?
badgertheking: 15 mins per 500 points
sukura636: Its one Beasts of War of course!
Lagoon83: Matt - Don't dob me in! I blatantly got loads of stuff wrong.
Lagoon83:
smurf: Also with timed games it does make it hard with specific armies. Armies with lots of normal missile units have one hell of alot of dice to roll. Where a small elite army's turn can be over very quickly.
salagam19: It was a bllodbath
Cavatore: we could do KOW in 15 minutes as a charity thing at an event...
mattl: Cavatore: http://www.beastsofwar...rt-1/
Lagoon83: @cavatore - I like the sound of that! Maybe for the next open day. Speed KoW!
badgertheking: that would be fun haha
sukura636: I forsee many ogre armies
Lagoon83: 15 minutes, buzzer goes, move along to the next opponent. At the end of the event, list your favourite opponents!
smurf: ^^
drjonarg: I play KoW in 10mm, works fine.
mattl: Lagoon83: you inspired me to actually pull out the big rule book from the mountain of grey plastic in my apartment and read the fluff part finally.
sukura636: Good man!
cyphertheory: @lagoon83 played with starter boxes only to show them off
salagam19: the fluff is top notch...
Lagoon83: Did you make sure to draw circles around all the bits I described wrong in the BoW videos?
mattl: warzan: Beast of War demo games are very inspiring to watch. Same goes for the Bolt Action one.
masteroftheforce: those were some great videos on KoW week, lots of info
salagam19: lots of interesting areas to explore
neves1789: agreed, great introduction
tris: With timed deployment it led to one game having to be restarted before turn 1 as we didn't leave enough room to fit all the units on.
tk421: I liked the Goblin and Abyssal army lists most of all.....
Cavatore: realizes that lagoon83 is James... and once more thinks that anonimity on the iontenet is a crap idea... seen my username?!?!?
lotan2012: agreed, watched all those intro vids and it got me to sign up to backstage!
mattl: I'll say it, if anyone here isn't on Backstage -- you should sign up and try it out. There's a load of extra stuff on there, and it keeps the lights on at Beasts of War.
mythril: i just love how easy it is to go in and play your first game, it shows how well the rules work
mattl: Backstage is awesome.
masteroftheforce: true
salagam19: how much is it?
Lagoon83: Ha! I've had this since I first joined BoW years ago - asked a while ago if I could change it to something more recognisable, but this way just seemed easier I think
lotan2012: for less than the cost of a usual supplemental you get mad hobby access!
salagam19: can you sign up for short term
mattl: less than $5 a month
mattl: it's month to month
natarath: I liked all the Armies so I bought all the box sets, though I am still waiting for my Australian Supplier Games Empire to stock the new humans to the range.
masteroftheforce: "a cup of coffee and a muffin"
somegeezer: ... or about the price of a pint in most places
mattl: i'd love mantic to include a professionally edited demo game video as a link in the box with all their minis.
masteroftheforce: that's how much Backstage costs
salagam19: I can cover that...what do you get for your money
mattl: for all their games.
mattl: a ton of extra videos, plus downloads and freebies
mattl: and a warm fuzzy feeling
cyphertheory: @mythril I remember that from your video, you were practically running it for yourself by the end of the game
Lagoon83: Totally worth being a backstager.
salagam19: gotta love a warm fuzzy feeling
mythril: cypher totally
somegeezer: And Warren cooks your breakfast once a month
masteroftheforce: exactly!
masteroftheforce: lol natarath: @mattl I agree 100% with you more demo games hosted by Mantic and just general weekly Batreps done by the Mantic Employees when ever you can
lotan2012: woop, i'll have eggs!
salagam19: So come on ALESSIOOOOOOOOOO
salagam19: what is this teaser?
warzan: We can stretch to bacon too you know
mattl: And if think GW are being jerks to Beasts of War -- show them, and put your money where your fingers/mouth are and sign up to Backstage and support the good guys in all this.
cyphertheory: Yeah @Cavatore, Spill the beans!
salagam19: +1
somegeezer: Great. I'll bring the sauce next time
Cavatore: It might be something to do with Loka... and a medieval card game... THE medieval card game... come on. don't make me say it...
dais: I'm guessing the teaser is LOKA poker
salagam19: ALLLESSIIOOOOO
salagam19: ALLESSSIIOOOO
wufai: I love the BOW demo on mantic games. Really helps new players like myself understanding the game
salagam19: ALLESSIIOOO
Lagoon83: C'mon guys, with Ronnie leaking and Alessio spilling beans... Justin's going to be mopping it up all day!
cyphertheory: doooo it!
lotan2012: ....i dont know what to say Warren......you had me at bacon, is there another level of backstage where i get a cup of tea with it?
somegeezer: So POKA then?
Me: Hehe.. POKA
mattl: A wild Italian game designer appeared!
daedle: @Warren, I emailed Ben about me and another Pathfinder playing a full game of KoW on camera for you guys so people can see how it's played with full armies. Any thoughts?
salagam19: ALLLLESSSIIIOOOO
mythril: Scarlet squig +1
salagam19: oh
cyphertheory: POKA ftw. @cavatore if it is a cardgame, you need a subset of drinking game rules
Cavatore: No, not poker, poker was nborn this century... the game I'm talking about is ancient...
natarath: I had no idea how to play KoW until I seen the BoW demo game tbhlol, when I watched it I got interested in playing so I opened one of the boxes and started reading the rules
salagam19: I'll stop shouting
warzan: @lotan2012 You could always buy the annual pass - that would be a couple of cups of tea right there
mattl: warzan: make daedle's thing happen!
smurf: @James, since Ronnie and Alessio are always giving away secrets, can we get a little something from you? It's about time you sprung a leak :p.
Cavatore: starts with T... c'mon you can guess it...
dais: Afraid I'm not a playing card historian
salagam19: Tarot!!!!!
Lagoon83: @smurf - Ask me a question!
smurf: Tarot
Me: top trumps!
daedle: @Cavatore, Tsnap?
jorghe: @ronnie: it's briscola?
mattl: Turanga?
Lagoon83: (And I'll have you know I gave something away on Mantic Radio a couple of weeks ago)
jorghe: @alessio, sry
lotan2012: Well, I'm still skint after getting into Dropzone after watching your vids but for christmas I may try!
Cavatore: A couple of people got it right...
salagam19: I said that half an hour ago!
andy2d6: @Ronnie. which email address should I use for your personal inbox?
warzan: @daedle Yup @brennon was talking to me about that, sounds like a plan, when we have firmed up our dates for filming in Notts we'll drop you a line if we have a gap
bidge: @ James warpath KS when? 1st quarter 2014?
Cavatore: you did, but I ignored you...
;-)
smurf: I'll leave the leak up to you. Ronnie always seem to be bursting with surprises. You should just let off something you have bottled up :p.
tk421: So tonight we have found out there will be big releases in Febuary for Dwarfs and Abyssal Dwarfs.
There are 3 more seasons planned and 12 more teams for Dreadball.
There will be a living rulebook thing on the forum called Cavatore's Cave.
That Forces of Nature and Abyssal will be getting some miniatures in the not to distant future.
What else have we gleaned from these 3 tonight?
daedle: Awesome, cheers Warren
Lagoon83: @andy2d6 - Ronnie's away, but it's ronnie.renton@manticgames.com Lagoon83: @bidge - Dunno! Honest answer. Next!
mythril: @ cavatore so we need cups then?
sukura636: Hard plastic everythings are on the cards, apparently
Cavatore: and swords!
badgertheking: WIll there be any painting guides/hobby articles soon?? Or even better a hobby mag?
Lagoon83: @smurf - The large KoW infantry models on our sculptor's desk look INCREDBILE.
Lagoon83: INCREDIBLE even
cyphertheory: And ALE!
sukura636: ooooooooooo
smurf: Molochs? :p
mattl: badgertheking: check out the mantic fan magazine, ironwatch
daedle: @lagoon, are they the Ogre Beserker Braves or the Molochs?
salagam19: tarrochini
Lagoon83:
bidge: @ James name some of the new Dreadball races?
lotan2012: Oh I gotta get me some dreadzone after watching tose vids, game look amazing!
badgertheking: I got the Fanzine, Its ok
Lagoon83: @badgertheking - We're talking about doing some painting articles now we've got Dave in house!
smurf: And james i'm sure you feel better after letting that one go :p.
salagam19: TARROCHINI!!!!!
Lagoon83: In the meantime, Ironwatch is always an amazing read!
mythril: I'll have swords someone else can use the sticks!
drjonarg: Tokemon
bidge: Will Sir Edwyn make it to KoW mattl: gotta smoke em all?
Lagoon83: @bidge Hmm... Con****s
natarath: @Ronnie, Just wondering when you guys will be buying a new HD camera for your videos?
badgertheking: and more battle reports please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Lagoon83: I starred a few letters to add mystique!
sukura636: Daves are always useful. you need as many as possible
masteroftheforce: agreed
smurf: @tk421, They also confirmed Loka Minis available separately in the future
Lagoon83: @natarath - Ronnie's away at the moment, but we'd love to get one - just need to convince the accountants!
masteroftheforce: Loka has a whole world and background doesn't it?
natarath: all good
Cavatore: OK, here's an exclusive sneak peek link a present to BoW to thank them!
https://dl.dropboxuser...d.jpg drjonarg: Conkers, awesome, I have a garden full.
tk421: Lagoon83. Im up for the week on the 24th, think you can spare an hour or so from packing to play a few games of KoW......
cyphertheory: @lagoon you could have a kickstarter for the camera!
Lagoon83: Oooooh!
lotan2012: oooo
neves1789: that looks awesome!
somegeezer: ooooooohpretty
cyphertheory: very nice artwork
blackspiral: Very pretty!
bombkangaroo: siamese twin griffons? :p
Lagoon83: @tk421 - That's Deadzone shipping week! I dunno if it's likely - we'll see though.
Cavatore: Knight of the AIr suit of cards... reminds you of a Loka chess piece doesn't it?
;-)
Lagoon83: Interesting!
aslskfan: Very cool...
Cavatore: artwork by Ralph Horsley ! look him up!
masteroftheforce: pretty griffins!
salagam19: Yes intriguing
smurf: Loka of the gathering?
tk421: I know, im slaving away in the warehouse all week.......
Lagoon83: So Alessio, if you could sum up this secret new project in two words, what would they be?
sukura636: Ooooh
mattl: Ralph Horsley who made that amazing unreleased orc racing game for GW -- ask Jake about that one
salagam19: TARROCHINI!!
orinoco: Disco Griffins?
aslskfan: I can, Card Game....
aslskfan: Is Loka shipping this week as well??
Cavatore: Loka Tarot?
natarath: Just wondering if we can get the names behind some of the usernames in this chat room I know Cavatore and Ronnie ones of course obvious but Lagoon83! who are you lol ?!! no disrespect just this is my first time in this chat room is all
mattl: Lagoon83 is James M Hewitt at Mantic
Lagoon83: @natarath - Hello! Sorry about the confusing username. Tried to get one sorted out, but failed! I am James from Mantic.
lotan2012: same actually, would be nice to put name to face
mattl: warzan is Warren from BoW sukura636: Lagoon83 is James 'Moriarty' Hewitt
salagam19: I'm Sean Clark, aka windle Poons, aka holden Caulfield
natarath: ah nice thanks James
Lagoon83: My face occasionally graces the hallowed pages of Beasts of War
Cavatore: Who is this Warren? never heard!
;-)
salagam19: Hopefully be at open Day
blackspiral: James Magnanimous Hewitt
smurf: James Hewitt (born 30 April 1958) is an English former household cavalry officer in the British Army. He had an affair with Diana, Princess of Wales for five years,[1][2] receiving extensive media coverage after revealing details of the affair.
natarath: Warren no one knows this guy
natarath: LOL badgertheking: im leon https://www.facebook.c...man.7 not very exciting
Lagoon83: The M is for "Mutually Assured Destruction"
natarath: haha
Lagoon83: @smurf - Why do you think I added the M?
mythril: James " the magnificent" Hewitt
smurf: haha :p
bidge: @ Smurf +1
salagam19: The silent 'M'?
Me: James Mantic Hewitt of course.
sukura636: Pathfinder Dave Symonds here. no relation to Hobby Dave or Professor Gayle Simmonds.
mattl: i'm someone who has their life together enough to use the same username consistently everywhere.
masteroftheforce: that's the best!
salagam19: What ever happened to the guy who did the first mantic Podcast?
Cavatore: Guys, I'm about to go to bed. One last question?
mattl: new thing -- what's it called?
tk421: Why is Orange jam called marmilade?
mattl: go on
badgertheking: can you change it to D20s?
natarath: Nothing from me Cavatore just thanks for the time to sit down and have a chat
jabbaa: James 'Mellifluous" Hewitt?
bidge: Is it dark where you are Cavatore?
bombkangaroo: Is it true of Dwarves that even the women have beards?
Cavatore: dark and scary...
mattl: orange jam + fruit peel = marmalade
mythril: Bidge sounds scary!
salagam19: bed for me too, thanks all, especially the mantic staff...and Alessio!
Cavatore: it's from Latin 'marmellata'
bidge: Seriously Cavatore whats the game called
bombkangaroo: thanks for your time, and goodnight Mr C
blackspiral: Thank you Alessio for teases us with the new game! Great as always!
drjonarg: Can we have a 12 dice limit for KoW ?
masteroftheforce: in Britain isn't it... what?... midnight almost?
tk421: smarty pants
natarath: @lagoon83, what is your favorite KoW faction?
Lagoon83: Night Alessio - thanks for all the info! See you Tuesday (with Starship Troopers)
smurf: Cheers Alessio
neves1789: thanks for your time
cyphertheory: Grazie Alessio
Lagoon83: @natarath - Undead, hands down
dinoman87: Night, dream of pie
masteroftheforce: many thanks
Me: Thankyou!
Lagoon83: @masteroftheforce - It's 21:55
bidge: Cheers Allessio sleep tight
somegeezer: Cheers Alessio
tk421: Its well past my bed time....
mythril: Thanks mr C
lotan2012: NN Alessio
salagam19: don't let the mawlers bite
Cavatore: It's undead. The game is indeed called:
The Tarot of Loka
Thanks to you guys, good night!
neves1789: but it's 22:55 where I live? omg it's the FUTURE
salagam19: Ciao!
sukura636: Thank you Alessio and Goodnight
natarath: night mate
bidge: I think Ronnie catching up on the +1 of Big Bang Theory after putting the kids to bed.
lotan2012: lool
drjonarg: Ciao
natarath: @lagoon83, you going to have your own youtube channel showing off more KoW batreps?
Lagoon83: Well! Ronnie's currently putting the kids to bed, Alessio's off to bed himself... but I'm still here if you have any questions for me!
natarath: just do not tell Warren heard he can be quite vicious to play against
bidge: So James now they are both away give us some big leaks and we'll say who us naw Ronnie we just guessed that................
masteroftheforce: deadzone...
dinoman87: Do you like Tacos?
masteroftheforce: answer all
mythril: Can you dance?
Lagoon83: @natarath - Well, I run the Mantic youtube channel - but as Warren can probably tell you, editing long videos is a full-time occupation! I'd rather leave the battle reports to the professionals
somegeezer: Will the burger van be doing Man vs Food like the last open day?
Lagoon83: @bidge - There's no way I could keep up with Ronnie's leakiness.
Lagoon83: @dinoman - I do, but they confuse me.
Lagoon83: @mythril - Like a demon.
Lagoon83: @somegeezer - YES!
natarath: lol masteroftheforce: what exactly happened with the Deadzone enforcers?
Me: Adorable kittens in Mars Attacks? (everyone go throw monies at it, btw)
somegeezer: Wahoo!
bombkangaroo: How much of your undead army have you painted so far?
Spoiler:
tris: Will the Mars Attacks Deadzone cards be available outside of mars attacks kickstarter?
bidge: No one can keep up with Leakmaster. We had 3 separate kitchen floods over the summer and we weren't as leaky as Ronnie!
Lagoon83: @masteroftheforce: Pretty much exactly what we said happened! We aren't 100% confident in the hard plastics yet, so we've put them on hold to make sure they're the awesome things they should be. In the meantime, backers get additional free models. Once we see the zombies we'll know whether we need to retool or go ahead. I have faith it will work though!
somegeezer: Ronnie's giving my bathroom a run for its leaky money
sukura636: Whats the night-shift of KS Mantic look like?
mythril: Lagoon surely you have some little tit bits to share of your own? Not talking about prince Adam though!
Lagoon83: @bombkangaroo - well, I've painted a zombie and a ghoul. Test schemes!
Lagoon83: @tris - Yes indeed!
natarath: @lagoon83, could you do me a favor and give a shout out at our Kings of War group in Australia? https://www.facebook.c...4984/lol Lagoon83: @sukura - Myself, Chris and Curis are here. We are typing lots.
bidge: No no more Prince Adam my eyes still burn. Fair play to you though!
Lagoon83: @mythril - The less said about Prince Adam the better!
Lagoon83: @natarath - Definitely!
badbob1970: Ime interested to know if Alessio steers clear of ideas , rules or game mechanics he has used used in other very popular wargames named after medieval weapons, or is he happy to recycle a good idea?
igillies: Hi James. Is there anything that has yet to be announced for the open day that you can tell us about.
mythril: But more about the games!
natarath: @lagoon83 cheers mate
masteroftheforce: cheers
cyberbob2k: @Lagoon83: For those of us who haven't had the privilege of attending a Mantic open day yet what can we expect? Will there be a chance to buy lots of awesome Mantic products? Should I bring a massive empty suitcase to load up on KoW starter sets? Will there be deals or should I get an overdraft extension to fund Christmas AND my addiction?
dinoman87: Well you guys are troopers
Lagoon83: @badbob - I read an interview once in which Alessio said that he doesn't worry too much about that sort of thing - some ideas just work, so there's no point changing them just for the sake of doing something different if it will make them worse.
Lagoon83: @mythril - the future of DreadBall looks pretty... extreme. (CSI David Caruso moment)
tris: @lagoon83 thanks
sukura636: @Cyberbob yes, and yes, plus eminars with ronnnie et al, pathfinder demons games and tourneys too.
daedle: @Cyberbob2k, we've got lots of games going on including a big KoW participation game hosted by yours truly. The Mantic store is open, but unlike some other company big games days isn't the main focus of the day. You should still however bring an empty suitcase and extend your overdraft.
Lagoon83: @cyberbob - It will be a blast! It's a very informal affair, loads of games, models on display, chances to meet all of us, seminars with Ronnie, Jake and Alessio (like tonight but in person), and a shop with loads of special offers.
bidge: Whats the one thing in a previous KS that you wanted to see, but we didn't get, but was in the pipeline and the same for whats still to come in MA? and think I'll recycle that question come Saturday if the live hang out goes ahead and Ronnie wasn't pulling my leg.
tk421: Dont forget a KoW tournament......
mythril: Extreme will be so cool! Cooler than He man
cyberbob2k: awesome, I can't wait!
masteroftheforce: will there be video coverage of the Mantic open day?
Lagoon83: Also we've got a pair of charity tournaments this year for the Nottinghamshire Hospice - we love gaming for a good cause
tris: Any chance of the golden orky making a return at a future open day?
mythril: Any chance of filming and sharing the charity events?
Lagoon83: @tris - Maybe!
somegeezer: Also a Dreadball tournament (including some yellow robots on the bottom tables if I get them painted in time)
aslskfan: Got to run guys. Have a good one! James, check your email. I see you addressed the tweets.
Lagoon83: @mythril - I reckon something could happen! It's just a matter of organisation
Lagoon83: @Mark - I already replied
thudgutz: I'm baaaaack - what did I miss?
aslskfan: Quick plug for Mantic Radio, www.ohiohammer.com. Catch James on episode #4. Lots of Mars Attacks info!!
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - Welcome back! Alessio went to bed, Ronnie vanished, now I'm answering questions like a demon!
mythril: Half of them ran away and hid in the dark
natarath: @lagoon83, can you post your personal youtube channel for us? or are you using the Mantic Games channel?
somegeezer: @thudgutz - big news is a LOKA-themed card game: strip POKA
Lagoon83: @natarath - I'm using the Mantic Games one
badbob1970: I haven't tried dread ball yet no one at my club has it is there a starter set?
mythril: With cups and swords!
Lagoon83: So big important question - did everyone have an awesome Halloween? Any themed gaming going on?
natarath: no worries look forward to more coverage of mantic products
thudgutz: @lagoon83 - no staying power eh, you keep the side up then James.
blackspiral: Quick plug for Deadzone the Podcast http://deadzonegame.po...n.com Lagoon83: @badbob - Yes indeed! For starters, get onto the DreadBall Academy videos on BoW. Then pick up a copy of DreadBall Deluxe
badgertheking: http://www.manticgames....html badgertheking: staerter set
Lagoon83: @natarath - I managed to do a three and a half minute video talking about a rubber mat. I am proud of myself!
cyberbob2k: The Dreadball Academy videos hooked me into a part of the hobby I had no interest in!
masteroftheforce: The Dreadball Academy videos really are the place to start.
Lagoon83: @cyberbob - Dropping dice?
thudgutz: Dreadball Acedemy is great, it actually taught a few people how to play from scratch without ever actually seeing the board
mythril: Dreadball kick off is so easy to get into!
badbob1970: thanks I will check them out!
natarath: hahaha lagoon83 good work I would of needed alot of coffee for that haha
sukura636: anyone on mantic's youtube - check out the 'cunning plan' videos about how they hired alessio
Me: Definitely do some deadzone intro videos for the launch, that would be wonderful.
cyberbob2k: @lagoon83, nah I've always been a pro at the dice drop, but I'm more into the flicking your dice into your drink by accident
masteroftheforce: Agreed!
warzan: OK guys, I'm going to spend a little down time with the family now
Lagoon83: @sukura - Yeah, the old youtube videos are a right hoot. Also see Bob Naismith's Dwarf song.
bidge: Take care Warren
warzan: Have a great evening everyone, and thanks for a great nights chat!
sukura636: Night Warren
blackspiral: Night Warren
Lagoon83: @Warzan - See you soon mate!
neves1789: thanks warren!
masteroftheforce: May bards sing of your greatness Warren!
badbob1970: Thats a good question how was Alessio lured away?
Lagoon83: Say hi to the family from me
sukura636: (sounds like a super hero)
warzan: Will do mate
mythril: Thank Warren have a good night
thudgutz: @lagoon83 so what are the chances of having a beer or two after the Openday (I may even stand you a pint). I can't imagine that the Mantoc team don't like a beverage or two!
lotan2012: cya warrenm ny wallet hates you
lotan2012: my*
Lagoon83: Speaking of our Youtube videos, did anyone notice a step up in audio quality on our most recent one? I'm getting better at this!
sukura636: There' always an aftermath drink for those who survive
thudgutz: @warzan are BoW going to be at the openday?
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - I think there's a vague plan to saunter gradually towards a pub! There's a lovely one just up the road, people are more than welcome to pop along
kharegim: when are the twilight king/abyssal dwarfs going to get some hard plastic love
masteroftheforce: good question thudgutz!
cyphertheory: James the biggest problem are lighting and HD now,b ut I know you will try and fix it
Lagoon83: @kharegim - We're looking at Kings of War Kickstarter: The Sequel in 2014... that will be it!
natarath: @lagoon83 and the rest of the Mantic Team I have to get going now take the kids to school and all that good stuff lol. Just want to thank you for your time to sit down and talk with all of us. Being in Australia we do miss out on all the stuff that happens in the UK and the US. Again I would love a shout out from all of you guys to the Kings of War Australia group if you can and have a good day or night? https://www.facebook.c...4984/ And thank you BEAST OF WAR great week loved it woke up every morning to watch a new vid pop up ^_^ thanks for that.
cyphertheory: you mean Kow2 - Electric boogaloo
Lagoon83: @cypher - Yep, well aware of that. If I had either time or money I'd fix it!
thudgutz: Excellent news - I'm staying up in Nottingham (it's too far to drive back to South Wales in one day)
masteroftheforce: No Warpath Kickstarter?
mythril: KoW when in 2014?
kharegim: are we talking early or late 2014 im keen to throw money at you
Lagoon83: @natarath - I'll get you a shout out on facebook Thanks for coming along - see you soon!
natarath: laters guys ^_^
rorke: lol, take my money!!
Lagoon83: No idea when in 2014 I'm afraid guys - all I know is "at some point"
sukura636: BOTH
I hope
Lagoon83: (I'm just the "run around excitably" guy, they don't trust me with too much info)
tris: Will the sequel be after the Warpath kickstarter?
Lagoon83: Tris - Again, no idea!
sukura636: I thought that was Ronnie's job?
cyphertheory: Loose lips sink ships eh?
kharegim: true we need a warpath kickstarter
thudgutz: Hang on....did I miss the fact that there will be ANOTHER KoWKS in 2014?
mythril: When in 2014 for warpath then? I've got to be cheeky!
Lagoon83: Mythril - Some point between January and December, I'd guess!
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - Yep!
bidge: James lighting can be done quite cheaply. Ikea lamps and Hobbycraft for the bulbs.
Lagoon83: Looking at new armies, more plastics, etc etc
masteroftheforce: *grins*
bidge: sounds good
Lagoon83: @bidge - Yeah, it's just a case of finding the time to get there! It's on my big to-do list!
bidge: So how big are the stompy robots gonna be in Warpath.
bidge: lol mythril: There are huge to do lists at mantic I bet!
masteroftheforce: big stompy robots? *grins wider*
Lagoon83: No idea! The Mars Attacks one is about 70mm, though
sukura636: Hav you not seen the Iron ancestor/stunt bot/ strider?
kharegim: people are keen to throw money at you guys, get on ronnies case about it... we want more minis >=D
Lagoon83: @mythril - My to-do list is so big that stuff keeps falling off the bottom.
tk421: Right, well past bed time. Gnight all. James see you in a few weeks. And to the rest, see you at the open day! Look for me Judging the Kings of War tournament.
mythril: You need a list for all your lists!
thudgutz: Great - so taking the advice from earlier, get someone to teach it to me at the openday, choose a starter set (Ronnie's suggestion), get to grips with that (in between DeadZone, Dreadball Extreme and Mars Attacks) and then I'll be all set when the next KS happens - RESULT
Lagoon83: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1iwi9RScs
Lagoon83: Bit of a blast from the past
Lagoon83: Night tk421!
Lagoon83: @thudgutz - It's a plan!
Lagoon83: Did *everyone* just disappear to watch that video?
cyphertheory: James - Just a thought, you have a few of us here, do you have any questions for the community?
Lagoon83: Hmm... good point!
bidge: still here
neves1789: listening yeah
sukura636: yep
kharegim: still here, waiting for more kickstarters....
bidge: i'll play that game cyphertheory
sukura636: It's part 2 that rocks
mythril: Me too
masteroftheforce: That is one funny video!
Lagoon83: Okay then, question for the community. Let's get reflective! It's my job to keep people informed, enthused and excited about Mantic stuff. Do you reckon I'm doing an alright job? Any areas of improvement needed? Honest feedback if you please!
Lagoon83: (And yeah, check out parts 2 and 3 of that video)
kharegim: did anyone else notice alessio shouting mama mia....
masteroftheforce: We love you James!
igillies: your doing a good jobs
rorke: everyone must be off watching that video lol... i think you're doing a fine job mate
neves1789: yeah the demo's are great
smurf: You're doing a very good job james
orinoco: I enjoy the blog and the video tour of mantic
tris: You do a great job
mythril: I think you are doing a great job, I see you all over the inter web, google tube and face book spreading the word and answering queries.
somegeezer: You're doing a great job. You're on this site lots, Twitter account's active, plenty going on the forums and some impressive shouting at the last open day. Goodonyer
bidge: Yes the outreach is fantastic. The more video though you can do the better. its just so more personal than text.
kharegim: I think you are doing a great job james, only one things missing though. sneak peaks of those greens that only rarely get seen by the community. the ogre shaman being a good example of this =P
cyphertheory: I noticed on Dakkadakka there was a bit of a thing for a while (I think Scarletsquig would back me up on that one) that perhaps could have been handled better
robzilla01: @lagoon83 the fact you're on here at 22.19 shows what a good job you're doing. Dedication to the Mantic cause... or Ronnie has you chained up in Mantic HQ blackspiral: The best part of getting to be a fan of Mantic is that we actually get to know these guys! Its human nature to want to support such nice guys. Keep up the good work Mantic and we'll keep buying new stuff. And with that I gotta go. See you all in the comments! Later
Me: More Mantic forum interaction would be cool, it is where all the big fans are.
smurf: i agree with scarlet on that actually!
reganspor: Lagoon83 you are a champ you even make Justin look exciting.
cyphertheory: but then I understand that the further you cast your net, the less time you have to interact with each group
izmerul: you're doing a great job! maybe you could wear a robe and wizard's hat more often
rorke: Justine *
smurf: if you have time stop into the forums more even though it's obvious you are very busy as is!
Lagoon83: Awesome stuff guys. Key points I'm seeing are more video, sneaky peaks, and more love for the forums I'll do what I can !
mythril: i agree with the video reaching out more personally and it's great to see a real face to a company, though mantic is very good at being friendly and open
badgertheking: your doing a great job but I do think there needs to be more previews of upcoming stuff
somegeezer: @izmerul +1 for more wizard's sleeve
Lagoon83: @izmerul - as if! I never dress up.
somegeezer: * robe. I meant robe
Lagoon83: *shifty eyes*
kharegim: anyone else getting blackadder in their related videos?
izmerul: yes videos are key for me. the KoW bat rep and the Dreadball Academy was what really pushed me
sukura636: It *is* a cunning plan
cyphertheory: OK if I may, could I pose a question to the community?
masteroftheforce: go on...
bidge: go ahead
mythril: Ah hmmm
Me: You just did. :p
tk421: You are only one person, but more vids, battel reports, painting, army building. Stuff BoW do.
Maybe a once a month/quarter challenge James report, where one person travels to mantic towers and playes you in a game of their choice....a mantic game
bidge: lol cyphertheory: If you could change one thing about mantics current products, what would it be?
badgertheking: also this is not your fault but prizes at tournaments..... They should be there for the winner at the event. Not 6 months later
bidge: tk421 good idea. Similar to what MWG does.
Me: hard plastic everything, including the rulebooks.
tk421: Beat Matts batrep
Lagoon83: @badger - 6 months later? What's that referring to?
tris: More variation in some of the units.
smurf: the pathfinder regionals
badgertheking: Dreadball boards
bidge: Cyphertheory I would prefer that my Restic came on a sprue.
sukura636: SSyou just made my night
masteroftheforce: More Warpath
somegeezer: @ cypher more stuff in plastic
badgertheking: there was some unhappy people
Lagoon83: Yikes, wasn't aware of that.
badgertheking: and even the KoW regionals prizes went out a month or two after
reganspor: Lagoon83 do what Mattiu did for infinty. Travel the british Ilse and give out free blisters. Play games.
mythril: A few more troop variation in KoW but I understand it takes time to build multiple armies in a quality way
cyberbob2k: More things on the lovely Deadzone/Dreadball ultimate mat material, like a varient on the classic Dreadball board maybe?
Lagoon83: Well, I'll do what I can to stop that happening.
kharegim: lwell more hard plastic / less restic not sure about your new formula for deadzone but the current restic halfbreeds take a long time to clean =/
Lagoon83: @reganspor - Nice idea! Who'd do my day job though??
izmerul: some Deadzone Batreps/academy would be nice to see what the sci-fi universe is made of
neves1789: so I just cut up a floormat to serve as a wheatfield and now everything, including me, is covered in stinky bristles... just on a sidenote here
Lagoon83: @mythril - Give it time, I think we're getting there gradually!
smurf: @James, there is a community of people playing Kings of War online using Universal Battle. Would you be up for a game sometime?
sukura636: That's what we're (pathfinder) for!
Lagoon83: @kharegrim - The new mix is a lot better, trust me!
Lagoon83: @cyberbob - It's an idea we've already thought of!
mythril: You are doing wonderfully and have come a long way in a short time!
Lagoon83: @smurf - I fear change and technology.
Lagoon83: Otherwise, sounds fun!
kharegim: will the new mix be used for all the restic models i.e. if i bought more halfbreeds now will they be made with the new mix
masteroftheforce: lol badgertheking: Get those Deadzone acamadey vids up Before its relesed would be great
badgertheking: or at least very close
cyphertheory: Right, Thanks to everyone for a great Q&A/Chat I have really enjoyed it , James - whats that email address re: pathfinders again?
masteroftheforce: Actually I'm changing mine. I want Deadzone Academy!
Lagoon83: Ronnie's just sent me a text to say that he's not going to be heading back, but thank you for your questions! Also, he said that everyone who's backed Deadzone or Mars Attacks on Kickstarter can have free entry to the Open Day in November. What a guy!
reganspor: I asked earlier if there would be a mantic KOWrpg. But it was hecktic at the start. So if you'd like to answer
mythril: Have fun one and all I am going to get my beauty sleep( and my hubby will tell you I really need it!) thanks for a great chat.
Lagoon83: @cyphertheory - james.hewitt@manticgames.com cyphertheory: Thanks, good night all!
Lagoon83: @reganspor - I'd love to get something like that done... maybe not immediately, but I love the idea
ronnieatmantic: vonjunk - KOWks perhaps a Twilight Kin, Abyssal Dwarf, Nature, Abyssal hard plastic troops? - yes exactly that where we are ehading. I am really keen to get back to tooling lots of sprued plastic base untis for lots of armies.
grimslath: Great idea with Z'zor in fantasy! Would like that. Can imagine them being like the Cho'ja in Raymond E Feist's Midkemia novels...
ronnieatmantic: grim - I got my magician book signed by Raymond E Feist about 2 months ago _ I was really tempted to ask for a licnece there and then!
splizat: Does Mantic plan on doing with any other licensed games after Mars Attacks?
ronnieatmantic: splitz - we hope to look at 1 every year to 18 months. All next year is our own works - so maybe 2015 will see one. We are also looking to work with other designers to heklp them launch their projects (like Loka with Alessio)
mattl: ronnie -- what's the state of hard plastics, is Renedra a total write off now?
ronnieatmantic: mattl - no =- we work well with Renedra but we cannot get all the peices to work properly in terms of quanties and bits on the mould. We still look at projects with them and they nearly did the building sprues for us.
"When will we see the Fish-men army that you jokingly mentioned some years ago?"
Cavatore: fish men? I think Rick Priestley is gonna write those for KOW...
...
just kidding! .
grimslath: Great idea with Z'zor in fantasy! Would like that. Can imagine them being like the Cho'ja in Raymond E Feist's Midkemia novels...
ronnieatmantic: grim - I got my magician book signed by Raymond E Feist about 2 months ago _ I was really tempted to ask for a licnece there and then!
A Rift War license would send me broke I think, it's been my favourite fantasy series for a very long time. Up to book ~27 at this point haha. Also very keen on anything they do with Z'zor!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: If they go ahead with fishmen or lizards then I guess I will finally have to plunge whole hog into Kings of War.
I'd be more interested seeing in Atlanteans or naga than fishmen or lizardmen. Or both, with an Atlantean-naga hybrid (read: mermaid) reclining on a palanquin to lead them.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: If they go ahead with fishmen or lizards then I guess I will finally have to plunge whole hog into Kings of War.
I'd be more interested seeing in Atlanteans or naga than fishmen or lizardmen. Or both, with an Atlantean-naga hybrid (read: mermaid) reclining on a palanquin to lead them.
I'd just be happy with Mantic's spin on some repitlian/ scaled rank and file. I would hope they'd bring something unique to the table.
Ideally we'd get mobs and piles of hard plastic Mantic guys with Mierce big stuff to support them.
squall018 wrote:James, do you have an idea of when the pre-release retail versions of Deadzone will ship?
Mid December
Vermonter wrote:James, will the Blaine in Mars Attacks be hand-sculpted or computer rendered?
You know, I've got no idea - however, I'm assuming yes, as everything else in MA has been.
Barzam wrote:Was The Nexus PSi or whatever its called campaign going to have a .pdf as well, or was that just going to be physical? After reading through the rulebook, I'm really curious to see what the premade scenarios are going to be.
Should be a PDF too, yeah - but not for a little while yet.
Barzam wrote:So... they're considering PDC, or just "talked" with them? New plastics would certainly be nice. Vehicles would be even better. Did anybody ask about those?
I'm not up with the latest info on this, but someone in the chat last night was saying that while PDC do good straight-line stuff, they're relatively untested on soft lines / organics, and that's where we'd need them to be awesome.
Huzzah! My shipment arrived! And was insanely weighed down by the metal...
I will have to go through it more thoroughly this weekend though. I appear to be short a couple of S3 prone markers and maybe one or two other models. Plus the Season 2 boosters that they are shipping later. Hopefully I can get that inventory done this weekend (car drama...it is fun...) to make sure of what's what so if anything really is missing they can maybe plunk them into that box.
What I had the chance to look at seemed good. Looking forward to busting them out of the bags tonight.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: If they go ahead with fishmen or lizards then I guess I will finally have to plunge whole hog into Kings of War.
I'd be more interested seeing in Atlanteans or naga than fishmen or lizardmen. Or both, with an Atlantean-naga hybrid (read: mermaid) reclining on a palanquin to lead them.
I'd just be happy with Mantic's spin on some repitlian/ scaled rank and file. I would hope they'd bring something unique to the table.
Ideally we'd get mobs and piles of hard plastic Mantic guys with Mierce big stuff to support them.
I just want a scaly Mantic army of some sort.
Rather then a straight port of lizardman ala GW I would prefer a race of evil alignment large snakemen like the one's from confrontation, human barbarians and a very evil looking lizardman hybrid.
I would also like them to make a book with differnt races in that are to few for a stand alone army but are able to allie with one of the allignments. For example:
The Arachnids, a race of giant spider/human hybrids of evil alignment.
Cloud Giants, an ancent race of intelligent but now dwindled number of giants of Good Allignment.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: If they go ahead with fishmen or lizards then I guess I will finally have to plunge whole hog into Kings of War.
I'd be more interested seeing in Atlanteans or naga than fishmen or lizardmen. Or both, with an Atlantean-naga hybrid (read: mermaid) reclining on a palanquin to lead them.
I'd just be happy with Mantic's spin on some repitlian/ scaled rank and file. I would hope they'd bring something unique to the table.
Ideally we'd get mobs and piles of hard plastic Mantic guys with Mierce big stuff to support them.
I just want a scaly Mantic army of some sort.
Rather then a straight port of lizardman ala GW I would prefer a race of evil alignment large snakemen like the one's from confrontation, human barbarians and a very evil looking lizardman hybrid.
I would also like them to make a book with differnt races in that are to few for a stand alone army but are able to allie with one of the allignments. For example:
The Arachnids, a race of giant spider/human hybrids of evil alignment.
Cloud Giants, an ancent race of intelligent but now dwindled number of giants of Good Allignment.
Have you not heard of Ophidia, land of the honoured walking dead, necromancers and their shadowy cold-blooded leaders?
Very cool design, will probably use as Rebs commanders or something.
In fact, that's what I love about the Rebs, you can just throw any mini you have into the army and it fits. I have some urban war minis that are going to see a new life as warpath/ DZ minis.
I don't think I'm even going to consider using it for DZ rather than infinity, TBH - but to each his own (and it kinda *is* the DZ thread ). Shame it'll take so long to get (what with second survey and all) compared to retail buyers, but oh well. I'll probably get one off ebay or swapshop or whatever, if they're available for somewhat reasonable prices
I generally prefer plastic to metal, but I do like that alt. sculpt of the Survivor. Always good to get alternate relaxed / active poses for character figures.
It looks like the Survivor is going to fit in well with the Tiger Corps.
If we do get lizardmen, I want to see a different take on them for the usual GW styled Aztec lizards. I want Lizardmen to be a high-tech faction. If I have to deal with Lizardmen, I want them to look cool with lots of sleek, curvy heavy armor.
Yep, going to try to blag one at the open day if possible (mantic usually has some sweet convention-only mini sales stuff going on, I remember the last time I went some people even got the twilight kin army 6 months before release).
timetowaste85 wrote: Ill admit, a Riftwar license would ruin my wallet beyond repair. I'd go VERY heavily into that. $600+ heavy...
So much fertile ground to cover. Kingdom, Kesh, Tsuranuanni, Cho-ja, Daemons, Mercs (Novindus), Pantathians, Tiger Men, Dwarves, Elves, Star Elves, Moredhel/Goblins/Giants/etc. Possibilities for some epic individual characters and funky stuff too. We can dream...
Back in semi-reality, reading through the deadzone book still and still really impressed. Simple, quick action rules that look to provide deep gameplay. Mantic is definitely on a winner with this one!
I love the fact that there's still a points system in place rather than it being a free-for-all, and one that takes experience and skills into account too.
The issue with many skirmish games (mordhiem/ necromunda etc.) was one warband getting way too large or powerful and clobbering everything (the underdog rule was never effective), at which point you kinda have to retire your warband and start over.. deadzone allows you to keep that one warband running forever without things becoming unbalanced.
With Deadzone you pick an army list out of the larger pool of minis that you have available and as you progress you unlock more units available to hire. It is really well done, and the injury/ upgrade system is handled very well too, more in common with computer games than anything else where you have a wide variety of short upgrade trees, unlocking one skill and then an upgraded version of that skill later.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: If they go ahead with fishmen or lizards then I guess I will finally have to plunge whole hog into Kings of War.
I'd be more interested seeing in Atlanteans or naga than fishmen or lizardmen. Or both, with an Atlantean-naga hybrid (read: mermaid) reclining on a palanquin to lead them.
I'd just be happy with Mantic's spin on some repitlian/ scaled rank and file. I would hope they'd bring something unique to the table.
Ideally we'd get mobs and piles of hard plastic Mantic guys with Mierce big stuff to support them.
I just want a scaly Mantic army of some sort.
Rather then a straight port of lizardman ala GW I would prefer a race of evil alignment large snakemen like the one's from confrontation, human barbarians and a very evil looking lizardman hybrid.
I would also like them to make a book with differnt races in that are to few for a stand alone army but are able to allie with one of the allignments. For example:
The Arachnids, a race of giant spider/human hybrids of evil alignment.
Cloud Giants, an ancent race of intelligent but now dwindled number of giants of Good Allignment.
Have you not heard of Ophidia, land of the honoured walking dead, necromancers and their shadowy cold-blooded leaders?
I have indeed, love the KoW fluff. If they do something like this then it would be there hopefully!
Individual starters weren't good value during the KS. I'll start to get irritated if strike team/BOGOF/other bundles are better value at retail, which I'm pretty sure they aren't/won't be. Strike Team was $150 right? 5 discounted starters are $120 so $30 for the terrain and all the individual chars and other bits and pieces... we got great value there imo.
The discounted retail faction starters looks to be decent value though, with 12 models plus a faction deck for ~$24 (looking at marauders).
Characters for £3.75, and the box game for less than £50 which isn't too shabby.
Totalwargamer is NOT a company I would recommend anyone deal with. Truth be told, I'm a little disappointed mantic are still selling them stock. (In fact, I'm disappointed any wargames company is.)
Totalwargamer has recently wiped out and rebuilt their facebook page. - It was filled with complaints about missed shipping dates on it. For a while the only reference to the store you could find was a group titled "Total Wargamer complaints."
Orders regularly take 60+ days to arrive, if they arrive at all - please note that paypal refunds for missing orders are only commonly available for up to 45 days.
Their phone number is nothing an automated message that says. "Please email us."
Most damning of all in my mind, is their behaviour with refunds. After fed up of waiting for a delivery after 60 days, I asked for a refund for part of a part shipped order that never was delivered, it was cancelled with the missing items vanishing from the online copy of my order form.
2 WEEKS later, still no refund.
I send an email, this was the reply:
Hello <ME>
The refund has been done for you - it was made to card ending: *****
Other people have received this reply with the same weblink. - Incidentally, I talked to my credit card company, 'a little longer' is a matter of up to 3 days, not 14. I eventually managed to recover my cash via my credit card company.
Sure, you can blame the distributors / suppliers for the delays in sending out products. The whole refund behaviour? In my opinion, that's entirely on them.
Seriously folks, in my personal opinion, don't touch Total Wargamer with a barge pole.
That goes back to their response when dealing with the refund.
Is dealing with a company that acts like that, really worth an extra 75p saving on a character model against giftsforgeeks, wayland, firestorm or any other UK companies?
Compel wrote: That goes back to their response when dealing with the refund. Is dealing with a company that acts like that, really worth an extra 75p saving on a character model against giftsforgeeks, wayland, firestorm or any other UK companies?
Or heck, mantic themselves!
When you buy hundreds of models...
I'd much rather give the money straight to Mantic (or any manufacturer) so they get the biggest margin, but I assume they can't offer discounts without the retailers getting irate. If I can choose between paying 100% or 80%, I'm going to choose 80% every time. I like models far too much to get 20% less than I otherwise would, since all savings are invested straight back into buying more models ; p
Since this is News and Rumors, any news or rumors about a holiday grab bag by mantic again this year? It seems to be a yearly thing and I kind of want to get one this time around if they do it again
Holiday grab bag hey? Just had a quick google, sounds like a messenger bag stuffed with random mantic minis, at a good price? I can see lots of Basileans in them... but probably count me in ; )
Yonan wrote: Individual starters weren't good value during the KS. I'll start to get irritated if strike team/BOGOF/other bundles are better value at retail, which I'm pretty sure they aren't/won't be. Strike Team was $150 right? 5 discounted starters are $120 so $30 for the terrain and all the individual chars and other bits and pieces... we got great value there imo.
The discounted retail faction starters looks to be decent value though, with 12 models plus a faction deck for ~$24 (looking at marauders).
It is really the DZ box set plus 3 starters. Looking at the Warstore, DZ is $90 MSRP (x1), and starters are $35 (x3), and characters are $8 (x9). Strike Zone is $277 full retail, so ~$208 with a standard 25% discount from your friendly local no sales tax internet store, excluding the digital stuff.
I thought that looked like robocop... Thats... a thing? That *could* be pretty cool. I have reservations, however. We'll see. Hope for the best and all that.
Oh, I hadn't seen the actual "christmas bag" before. That's pretty neat! It was last year, they had a box of stuff for something low end like $25-50 and it had a pretty solid chunk of manticware for the cost.
Yonan wrote: Holiday grab bag hey? Just had a quick google, sounds like a messenger bag stuffed with random mantic minis, at a good price? I can see lots of Basileans in them... but probably count me in ; )
Yeah, the potential for the Christmas grab bag's value went downhill this year with the high likelihood of plastic MAA being included in them....
So yeah, I'm a bit annoyed that add-ons on the kickstarter at this point aren't showing any savings. The main pledge level does obviously but if I'd known they were going to sell the characters at cost I wouldn't have added them to my terrain order. I'm really, really hoping that the terrain was actually at least 20% off.
So, kickstarter price of $25 + $5 accessory sprue was 25% discount. And you got flexibility to get more or less accessory sprues depending on what you were after.
Also, for the starters, keep in mind that the KS version of the starters has more minis in it.
Well I missed that but am happy. After looking at it it's closer to 33% off since I should be getting around $300 for $185. The faction add-ons and non-ks exclusive characters both retailing at the ks price had me a bit worried.
And 2 more mini's in say, the Reb faction, doesn't make up for the cost difference. Since you can get the set for $28 from your local friendly internet retailer I'm getting 2 less models for 7 less dollars. With Mantics general cost I'm still coming out ahead cash wise. Basically it's 1-2 minor figures missing.
The Dreadball Charaters retailed at KS prices too. That seems to be the way of things with characters.
One thing to remember about the faction boxes though, you get 3 or so extra troopers from the KS package, and it turns out we will be getting A LOT more Enforcers (10 more) so that's a good thing.
No idea how they are going to do some of the Enforcer add-ons though. If we ordered Burst Laser/Incinerator models, are we gonna get the old Burst Laser Model or are we gonna get a plastic sprue? Are they gonna give us a credit back on the 2nd survey? That stuff all has me confused.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So back to the hint by Mantic about Dreadball Extreme.....thoughts on New teams.
1-2 actually depending on the faction Earth Dragon. Except for the Enforcers because of the hard plastic thing which is cool for those that backed for Enforcers. No complaints there.
I stand corrected. I thought that only applied to the expanded universe. In that case it would have been silly not to pick two up. Which now I'll likely be doing on the second survey
I'd like to order lots, but what would I do with all of them with a couple boxes of 12 Enforcers already coming and then 20 or so more....That's 44 Enforcers in a game that is set up for me to be sending out 4-6 a battle.
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