Indeed.

DO IT TO IT wrote:

 alexneufeld wrote:
This popped up on natfka, http://dedard.blogspot.fi/2014/12/blood-angels-compiled-mega-post.html great compilation of all the pics so far

Picture below seems to have new terminators confirmed, sculpted chapter banner and storm shields look detailed too. Librarian also looks new rather than conversion, not same profile as any current ones including Calistarius from space hulk. Here's hoping!

Beeen waiting ages for new BAs maybe time to reboot the army!

I don't know how anyone can claim to see sculpting on that stuff in that blurry image.

It's not easy, but maybe this will help.



1, 5, and 6 look new to me. The Librarian in 1 isn't the same as the Finecast one on the GW site. 5 has a crazy robe over his armor, and 6 is carrying what looks like a sculpted Chapter Banner.

Excellent work identifying the outlines harrower.

All I want to know is; are they new poses? I need more legs for truescaling, and it's getting a bit tiring that most recent Terminator models are just the same handful of poses with different details on top. I know it's an easy way to cut costs to just reuse the same base meshes and add superficial detailing, but it's dull.

Guess we will find out later.

Looks like this is going to be an expensive release for me if new terminators are true also..

I'm not saying that GW wouldn't do it but it would be a great way to piss off your customer base to sell a splash release Blood Angel box set with the current vanilla terminators only to release new Blood Angel terminators a few weeks later.

Eh, if they're an elite unit it's not that bad. And honestly I can sell those termis at $40 and get most of the way to the new box if there is one. But hey, predicting doom is more fun.

 troa wrote:
Eh, if they're an elite unit it's not that bad. And honestly I can sell those termis at $40 and get most of the way to the new box if there is one. But hey, predicting doom is more fun.

You can sell 5 TACTICAL terminators for $40? American?

I cannot GIVE them away anymore. The terminator market is saturated from all the starter boxes having them for the last 5 years.

 Carnage43 wrote:

 troa wrote:
Eh, if they're an elite unit it's not that bad. And honestly I can sell those termis at $40 and get most of the way to the new box if there is one. But hey, predicting doom is more fun.

You can sell 5 TACTICAL terminators for $40? American?

I cannot GIVE them away anymore. The terminator market is saturated from all the starter boxes having them for the last 5 years.

I'd echo this sentiment. Unless they're Space Hulk terminators, they go for dirt.

Those that still have faith in GW believe all sorts of weird things.

 Unix wrote:
I'm not saying that GW wouldn't do it but it would be a great way to piss off your customer base to sell a splash release Blood Angel box set with the current vanilla terminators only to release new Blood Angel terminators a few weeks later.

With kits recently I'd be pretty confident that you'd have enough bitz in the hypothetical new BA terminator box to blood up the vanilla terminators.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Unix wrote:
I'm not saying that GW wouldn't do it but it would be a great way to piss off your customer base to sell a splash release Blood Angel box set with the current vanilla terminators only to release new Blood Angel terminators a few weeks later.

With kits recently I'd be pretty confident that you'd have enough bitz in the hypothetical new BA terminator box to blood up the vanilla terminators.

This. I'm going to leave the tactical termies from Deathstorm alone if there are new BA termies and then kit bash them together

 plastictrees wrote:

 Unix wrote:
I'm not saying that GW wouldn't do it but it would be a great way to piss off your customer base to sell a splash release Blood Angel box set with the current vanilla terminators only to release new Blood Angel terminators a few weeks later.

With kits recently I'd be pretty confident that you'd have enough bitz in the hypothetical new BA terminator box to blood up the vanilla terminators.

Very Likely, I'm not building anything but the captain on the BA side of my deathstorm boxes until I see the new codex and box sets for sure. Although its starting to look like I'm going to be bit bashing a lot of things from the new tac box and possibly a new Terminator box. which I'm just fine with.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Unix wrote:
I'm not saying that GW wouldn't do it but it would be a great way to piss off your customer base to sell a splash release Blood Angel box set with the current vanilla terminators only to release new Blood Angel terminators a few weeks later.

With kits recently I'd be pretty confident that you'd have enough bitz in the hypothetical new BA terminator box to blood up the vanilla terminators.

Yea but lets be honest here - most BA players already have enough Terminators with Space Hulk + what they had prior. We buy into Deathstorm because we want the special character and for some $ savings, but then in order for us to use the Termies we basically have to buy ANOTHER un-needed terminator box just so we can flash up the boxed ones to become close to playable over the Space Hulk models..

Seems like evil doing to me..

JuniorRS13 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 Unix wrote:
I'm not saying that GW wouldn't do it but it would be a great way to piss off your customer base to sell a splash release Blood Angel box set with the current vanilla terminators only to release new Blood Angel terminators a few weeks later.

With kits recently I'd be pretty confident that you'd have enough bitz in the hypothetical new BA terminator box to blood up the vanilla terminators.

This. I'm going to leave the tactical termies from Deathstorm alone if there are new BA termies and then kit bash them together

Same here....but with my 12+ old tactical terminators. Some arm and weapon swaps and some new Sang termies/DC termies for me!

Hype level went from 2/10 to 5/10 today.

Im not upset playing termies as standard termies. I play apoc fairly regularly and its cool to throw down some 1st company dudes.

I have thirty five terminators (10 cataphract)

Did some scientific research on the 2014 Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show, And some of those wing designs would be perfect for the blood angels backpacks

Be prepared to see the market flooded with Tactical Terminators if the rumors of a new Blood Angels Terminator box is true, which it looks to be more and more. I don't really have any use for Tactical Terminators in the first place.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Be prepared to see the market flooded with Tactical Terminators if the rumors of a new Blood Angels Terminator box is true, which it looks to be more and more. I don't really have any use for Tactical Terminators in the first place.

I frickin' hope so!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Be prepared to see the market flooded with Tactical Terminators if the rumors of a new Blood Angels Terminator box is true, which it looks to be more and more. I don't really have any use for Tactical Terminators in the first place.

No one has any use for tactical terminators...they've been among the worst units in the game for nearly 15 years.

The other real options are converting them into something useful, but TH/SS arms on ebay are nearly as expensive as outright buying a new assault terminator box.

 Carnage43 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Be prepared to see the market flooded with Tactical Terminators if the rumors of a new Blood Angels Terminator box is true, which it looks to be more and more. I don't really have any use for Tactical Terminators in the first place.

No one has any use for tactical terminators...they've been among the worst units in the game for nearly 15 years.

The other real options are converting them into something useful, but TH/SS arms on ebay are nearly as expensive as outright buying a new assault terminator box.

Indeed. Though I am hoping that the introduction of the new Terminators comes with some form of new rules in one way or another. If the Tactical Terminators can be reconfigured into something useful (such as the rumored Death Company Terminators), then maybe they won't be totally garbage.

Its funny that GW seems bound and determined to push Terminators even though they just aren't good in any form (TH/SS are at least somewhat usable).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Be prepared to see the market flooded with Tactical Terminators if the rumors of a new Blood Angels Terminator box is true, which it looks to be more and more. I don't really have any use for Tactical Terminators in the first place.

No one has any use for tactical terminators...they've been among the worst units in the game for nearly 15 years.

The other real options are converting them into something useful, but TH/SS arms on ebay are nearly as expensive as outright buying a new assault terminator box.

Indeed. Though I am hoping that the introduction of the new Terminators comes with some form of new rules in one way or another. If the Tactical Terminators can be reconfigured into something useful (such as the rumored Death Company Terminators), then maybe they won't be totally garbage.

Its funny that GW seems bound and determined to push Terminators even though they just aren't good in any form (TH/SS are at least somewhat usable).

And it seemed that they would have a chance at the start of 6th with AP values in the assault phase... and then everyone got plenty of spammable AP2. :( *sigh*

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Be prepared to see the market flooded with Tactical Terminators if the rumors of a new Blood Angels Terminator box is true, which it looks to be more and more. I don't really have any use for Tactical Terminators in the first place.

I, too, have a Blood-load (sub in alternative non-BA noun of choice) of Terminators, and I DID buy the Space Hulk ones...two summers ago, inflated on e-Bay. Oh, woe is me...GW faked me out again. So, I am of the opinion that with that Space Hulk re-release, there are not going to be MORE new BA Terminators.

Back to this, do people run Assault Terminators? I have tried putting them in a Land Raider (with the Space Hulk Librarian) but they are a huge points sink and don't actually do that much damage. They're definitely cool looking and in Apocalypse where points don't really matter that's cool, but my 1st Company Tactical Dreadnought Armoured dudes aren't doing me much good besides looking cool.

Tru-Scaling appeals to me, but I've never done it and I have such a big army already. Of course, if they are going to change all the bases... Okay, I won't stir the pot anymore.

In any case, I'm super pumped just to have new stuff coming. I might stay up in my slowed time zone to get my pre-order in. Otherwise I'll miss everything for sure. Can anybody tell me what time (GMT) stuff opens up on the website for pre-ordering? I'd really appreciate it, and can then set my alarm or whatever.

Well I got notice that Deathstorm shipped. Might get to pick it up on Saturday.

My Deathstorm box got shipped yesterday evening. With luck, I have it this evening.

Dice are released when, did I miss a post saying that?

 Kelly502 wrote:
Dice are released when, did I miss a post saying that?

Pretty much everything we are getting pictures of will be from this Saturday's White Dwarf, meaning pre-orders Saturday, to be released the week after.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
Dice are released when, did I miss a post saying that?

Pretty much everything we are getting pictures of will be from this Saturday's White Dwarf, meaning pre-orders Saturday, to be released the week after.

Ok thank you! I swear I'm not being lazy I was just skimming trying to catch it somewhere.

There goes more money! lol Awesome!!


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At least my 1's will look good for Gets Hot, and failing the armor saves! YES!!

Dark Warrior (100% on pretre's rumor tracker) pointed out last night on a german forum that the Codex Sanguinary Guard Edition will not contain a supplement but the already known BA painting guide. As the wd is doing the rounds I'm sure this is correct

I am hoping that if you guys are having your Deathstorm's ship, that this means mine should be at my FLGS on Friday. This actually kinda sucks for me since I won't be home to get it.

When is the pre-order generally up on the web, like midnight tonight or Friday? Anyone know?

Somewhere in the evening on Friday, in European time. So somewhere in the afternoon for you guys across the big pond.

 Kelly502 wrote:
When is the pre-order generally up on the web, like midnight tonight or Friday? Anyone know?

Friday, 8 PM CET

I already have my Deathstorm ... got it last night. I am thinking about selling the vast majority of it.

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I already have my Deathstorm ... got it last night. I am thinking about selling the vast majority of it.

Does the DC dread finally come with all the furioso set?

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I already have my Deathstorm ... got it last night. I am thinking about selling the vast majority of it.

Does the DC dread finally come with all the furioso set?

It's been known for a while that the Dread in the box is the full Furiouso/Furiouso Librarian/Death Company Dread kit.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I already have my Deathstorm ... got it last night. I am thinking about selling the vast majority of it.

Does the DC dread finally come with all the furioso set?

It's been known for a while that the Dread in the box is the full Furiouso/Furiouso Librarian/Death Company Dread kit.

Alright, I just wanted confirmation by someone that already owns the box.

 Kelly502 wrote:
When is the pre-order generally up on the web, like midnight tonight or Friday? Anyone know?

2-2:30PM Eastern Standard Time here in the US.

6am AEST in Oz.

I sold the tac termies on eBay earlier this week from death storm for £13.50

Not amazing, but still bringing the cost of the box down.

Are the models in the box set in their normal retail boxes or just the sprues?

Still need to shift the dreadnaught on eBay, so it may be easier if I can start to actually say full furiso/librarain/death co dread rather than the death co dread.

I'm hoping that there will be an army set for BA once all the releases are finished, a la the 'Nid Swarm or Hive Mind sets.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I sold the tac termies on eBay earlier this week from death storm for £13.50

Not amazing, but still bringing the cost of the box down.

Are the models in the box set in their normal retail boxes or just the sprues?

Still need to shift the dreadnaught on eBay, so it may be easier if I can start to actually say full furiso/librarain/death co dread rather than the death co dread.

How come you've got your copy already?

Since he's asking about the dead I imagine he's taken the risk of selling the terminators before he got the box

and will hope it arrives and he can send them out before his buyer gets impatient

 JudgeShamgar wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be an army set for BA once all the releases are finished, a la the 'Nid Swarm or Hive Mind sets.

Space Wolves got one, so I would be surprised if Blood Angels don't.

I would expect it to be something like this:
1x Baal Predator OR Stormtalon
2x Death Company/Blood Angels Tactical sets
1x Blood Angels Terminator set
1x Space Marine Commander boxed set OR the plastic Sanguinary Priest if he is an HQ choice.

The Space Wolf box is a good example of what you are likely to see, with everything in it being Space Wolf specific models(barring the Commander boxed set, as that is pretty much vanilla SM fare).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 JudgeShamgar wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be an army set for BA once all the releases are finished, a la the 'Nid Swarm or Hive Mind sets.

Space Wolves got one, so I would be surprised if Blood Angels don't.

I would expect it to be something like this:
1x Baal Predator OR Stormtalon
2x Death Company/Blood Angels Tactical sets
1x Blood Angels Terminator set
1x Space Marine Commander boxed set OR the plastic Sanguinary Priest if he is an HQ choice.

The Space Wolf box is a good example of what you are likely to see, with everything in it being Space Wolf specific models(barring the Commander boxed set, as that is pretty much vanilla SM fare).

If the above is close to what might be released, it would be at a massive savings verses buying individually, just like the Swarm set.

Does anyone remember when the Space Wolves set was released? When in the release window was it?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I sold the tac termies on eBay earlier this week from death storm for £13.50

Not amazing, but still bringing the cost of the box down.

Are the models in the box set in their normal retail boxes or just the sprues?

Still need to shift the dreadnaught on eBay, so it may be easier if I can start to actually say full furiso/librarain/death co dread rather than the death co dread.

If Stormclaw is any indication, it will just be the sprues. WD #44 stated that the models are their full kits, just like Stormclaw was.

Well, just sprues and their instruction manual.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Since he's asking about the dead I imagine he's taken the risk of selling the terminators before he got the box

and will hope it arrives and he can send them out before his buyer gets impatient

Sold them stating it was a pre-order and stated I did not have the models yet, and they will be shipped as soon as I have them.

If anyone has got their Deathstorm in any chance of a picture of the sprues of the Terminator Captain and Broodlord? Thanks in advance.

A new termie box would be pretty sweet, and I would probably pick up a box for the models, but termies are still kind of meh game wise. So I can't see myself going all out on remodeling my old ones.

 JudgeShamgar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 JudgeShamgar wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be an army set for BA once all the releases are finished, a la the 'Nid Swarm or Hive Mind sets.

Space Wolves got one, so I would be surprised if Blood Angels don't.

I would expect it to be something like this:
1x Baal Predator OR Stormtalon
2x Death Company/Blood Angels Tactical sets
1x Blood Angels Terminator set
1x Space Marine Commander boxed set OR the plastic Sanguinary Priest if he is an HQ choice.

The Space Wolf box is a good example of what you are likely to see, with everything in it being Space Wolf specific models(barring the Commander boxed set, as that is pretty much vanilla SM fare).

If the above is close to what might be released, it would be at a massive savings verses buying individually, just like the Swarm set.

Does anyone remember when the Space Wolves set was released? When in the release window was it?

It was released either alongside the codex or the following couple of weeks afterwards.



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This coming week is when the info will start flying. Codex leaks, model confirmations, more detailed pics.

very exciting. Im contemplating holding off on reading anything on here or rumor sites until I get my hands on the codex so I don't have a biased opinion before i read it

The Warriors of the Fang set released two weeks or so after the Codex(which released on August 9th).

However it is worth noting that it also released after everything new was either available or up for preorder. The day before the release of the Codex saw Grimnar go up for preorder, and I can't say for certain anything more as I don't have those issues of White Dwarf Weekly(28 and 29).

For those who have the Dearhstorm box, does the csmpisgn supplement give a 'unit cost' on the various units like in the stormclaw box? Of so, how do they compare with the current codex pricing?

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
For those who have the Dearhstorm box, does the csmpisgn supplement give a 'unit cost' on the various units like in the stormclaw box? Of so, how do they compare with the current codex pricing?

D

Gives you everything according to the blurb. Wargear rules,stats etc etc.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
For those who have the Dearhstorm box, does the csmpisgn supplement give a 'unit cost' on the various units like in the stormclaw box? Of so, how do they compare with the current codex pricing?

D

Gives you everything according to the blurb. Wargear rules,stats etc etc.

No one has it yet, but it'll only have how much each formation costs all together. I am curious about the Death Company though.

Leaked images of the new Blood Angels Tactical squad from White Dwarf Issue 45, courtesy of Forge the Narrative and Spike Bits.

That kit has so much stuff!!!!!

Including a nice build your own combo kit.

The bits look ggreat in that kit!

I am beyond excited for this. I have 4 or 5 Deathstorm Boxes on order, and now I think I'll have to add a few Tactical Squad boxes as well. Hello bankruptcy!

Those guys look so good. I can't wait to turn them into fancy BA assault squads.

 BrokenRecord wrote:
I am beyond excited for this. I have 4 or 5 Deathstorm Boxes on order, and now I think I'll have to add a few Tactical Squad boxes as well. Hello bankruptcy!

Why use could you possibly have for all those Deathstorm boxes? o_O

 troa wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:
I am beyond excited for this. I have 4 or 5 Deathstorm Boxes on order, and now I think I'll have to add a few Tactical Squad boxes as well. Hello bankruptcy!

Why use could you possibly have for all those Deathstorm boxes? o_O

I'm currently building the entire 1st Company, as well as a 60+ man Death Company. That, and I'm just a 40K crack addict haha

Torso and legs are practically death company bits.

While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

Spoiler bits comparison below...

 Hulksmash wrote:
That kit has so much stuff!!!!!

Indeed. I count a Plasma, Melta, Flamer and Gravguns, a build-a-gun combi-weapon a la the regular kit, a BA flavour power fist, a pistol of each special weapon and a heavy flamer, a Sanguinary Guard style Mk8 breastplate, a whole bunch of other BA flavour pads.

And 6 pack armor!!!!! +1 for power armor pilates!!!

 warboss wrote:
While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

I can't see from the picture, but my guess is that what looks like a clip is actually just a feeding mechanism to align the belt as it enters the gun. But I might be totally wrong and they just messed up

 warboss wrote:
While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

Well the top of the backpack resembles two HB clips. Maybe its the most efficient manner of carrying spare magazines for a HB?

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 warboss wrote:
While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

I can't see from the picture, but my guess is that what looks like a clip is actually just a feeding mechanism to align the belt as it enters the gun. But I might be totally wrong and they just messed up

It's a fast moving thread right now but I edited pics into my previous post while you were posting. It is possible that the belt feed goes backward behind the weapon instead of across the front but you'd likely see that. I wonder if this is just a goof on the part of the model designer if that isn't the case. IMO it just looks strange compared with the other weapons.


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 Deadshot wrote:

 warboss wrote:
While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

Well the top of the backpack resembles two HB clips. Maybe its the most efficient manner of carrying spare magazines for a HB?

Nah, it's just that standard backpack for the HB at least from that angle.



In the fluff, the clip is supposed to be 60 rounds whereas the backpack is 200 or 250 with each "burst" being 10 rounds according to the RPG.

HB looks to be the same set up as the sternguard one. Rather then belt feed, there are a pair of spare box magazines stuck on the top of the (modified) backpack. Makes more sense for a marine on the move; the belt won’t get in the way when you charge across the battlefield.

Can’t wait to see the full sprue pics on that tac squad. I don’t need any more, but what I’ve seen from the leaks it’s a thing of beauty.

Do normal marines have grav pistols?

Affirmative.

 warboss wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 warboss wrote:
While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

I can't see from the picture, but my guess is that what looks like a clip is actually just a feeding mechanism to align the belt as it enters the gun. But I might be totally wrong and they just messed up

It's a fast moving thread right now but I edited pics into my previous post while you were posting. It is possible that the belt feed goes backward behind the weapon instead of across the front but you'd likely see that. I wonder if this is just a goof on the part of the model designer if that isn't the case. IMO it just looks strange compared with the other weapons.

In the fluff, the clip is supposed to be 60 rounds whereas the backpack is 200 or 250 with each "burst" being 10 rounds according to the RPG.

It definitely looks like you're right about there being no ammo belt. Maybe he's modeled as if he's in the middle of a tense fight, out of ammo, and to the point of using a spare magazine in a desperate bid to survive? But more than likely, the artist just sculpted the weapon the way he wanted, and completely forgot about the backpack!

EDIT: Or Nevelon is right and it's a Sternguard-style, "mobile", Heavy Bolter set-up.

If tacticals replaced termis in the Deathstorm box it would have been godlike bitswise

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
If tacticals replaced termis in the Deathstorm box it would have been godlike bitswise

Agreed; that would have been mind-blowingly awesome!

 BrokenRecord wrote:


It definitely looks like you're right about there being no ammo belt. Maybe he's modeled as if he's in the middle of a tense fight, out of ammo, and to the point of using a spare magazine in a desperate bid to survive? But more than likely, the artist just sculpted the weapon the way he wanted, and completely forgot about the backpack!

EDIT: Or Nevelon is right and it's a Sternguard-style, "mobile", Heavy Bolter set-up.

Thanks, Nevelon, for pointing that out. I wasn't aware of the same IMO goofy layout for the heavy bolter in the sternguard kit. I don't see the backpack as being different enough though from the normal "belt" one but admittedly I'm basing this off of pics from a single angle. They both look like they've got "clips" somewhat melded into the top of a regular backpack.



In any case, the precendent for this type of design exists whether I like it visually or not so it isn't really news and I'll drop it.

Oh joy BA gets Gravs?

I wonder what the DA players will say

 Desubot wrote:
Oh joy BA gets Gravs?

I wonder what the DA players will say

We have Plasma Terminators

Not like gravs really matter except on one unit (bikes).. BA probably won't get centurions.

So unless BA players want to use non-scoring bikes I don't see much of a benefit of grav guns.

 Kirasu wrote:
So unless BA players want to use non-scoring bikes I don't see much of a benefit of grav guns.

Non-Objective Secured bikes. They're still scoring. And there's almost guaranteed to be a Blood Angels specific detachment which doesn't have ObSec anyway (but Descent of Angels or something), which may be preferable to use.

 Kirasu wrote:
Not like gravs really matter except on one unit (bikes).. BA probably won't get centurions.

So unless BA players want to use non-scoring bikes I don't see much of a benefit of grav guns.

Agreed. Though I will say that a Grav-pistol on a sergeant or 2 would be better buys than Plasma Pistols. Still prefer Infernus Pistols though, and they're probably cheaper.

Oh man I am going to make some triple flamer tactical squads.

 DarthOvious wrote:
Oh man I am going to make some triple flamer tactical squads.

Burn xenos Burn, disco Inferno.

So. Effin. Blurry.

Why even bother posting this crud?

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
So. Effin. Blurry.

Why even bother posting this crud?

So you think nothing but idle speculation is better than a slightly blurry pic of a magazine? So. Effin. Odd.

 Deadshot wrote:

 warboss wrote:
While the number of add on bits is nice, why does the heavy bolter marine have the backpack that is supposed to be belt feeding the heavy bolter but the weapon actually has a clip instead?

Well the top of the backpack resembles two HB clips. Maybe its the most efficient manner of carrying spare magazines for a HB?

It's box, or drum fed, not clip fed, those are extra drums/boxes of ammo on his pack.

A clip is a metal clip that holds a few rounds up to maybe ten, the ammo is loaded into the weapon directly from the clip or into a magazine of about thirty rounds, thus you would need three clips of ten rounds,the clips are then discarded. A magazine holds ammo and is loaded into a weapon and the magazine directly feeds the weapon after it is loaded. A box of ammo or drum generally holds belted ammo which is fed into a belt fed machine gun/belt fed weapon. The box/drum comes loaded with linked or belted ammo, you just open the feed tray to the weapon, snap on the box/drum of ammo, pull at the belt pulling it over the feed tray aligning the first round. You then close the feed tray and either you have already charged the weapon by pulling back the charging handle or you do it after it is loaded. Typically machineguns Fire open bolt to allow faster cooling of the chamber and barrel. Anyway once the belt is fed and the feed tray is closed and the weapon is charged all that is left is to remove it from safe action and search for targets. The drum or box allows easier transport for the machinegun during mobile action, so the belt doesn't get hung up etc etc.

It will make sense when you see it. It's odd that the painter colored the drums/boxes of ammo differently which could cause confusion, I'll probably stick with black on the boxes of belt ammo both on the heavy bolter and his pack.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Oh joy BA gets Gravs?

I wonder what the DA players will say

We have Plasma Terminators

And plasma bikers (Black Knights) and plasma land speeders and plasma jetbike.
Also have stasis grenades and bombs.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Oh joy BA gets Gravs?

I wonder what the DA players will say

We have Plasma Terminators

And plasma bikers (Black Knights) and plasma land speeders and plasma jetbike.
Also have stasis grenades and bombs.

And the grimdark weaponized religion launcher speeder.

 DarthOvious wrote:
Oh man I am going to make some triple flamer tactical squads.

Triple?
How about double handflamers.

Just hope that the Sergeant weapon options don't restrict you from picking up two pistols. I know the 5 Vanguard Vets with double hand flamers remains tempting to me.

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Torso and legs are practically death company bits.

With the CAD processes they use now, I bet those are the exact same as the DC bits. In fact, there's probably very little new sculpting in the kit. The other bits would have been made for the regular tactical squad.

Why is that tempting? They can't fire both pistols in a single Shooting Phase unless there's a rule I'm missing.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Why is that tempting? They can't fire both pistols in a single Shooting Phase unless there's a rule I'm missing.

There is a rule you're missing. It's called 'gunslinger'.

 Crimson wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Why is that tempting? They can't fire both pistols in a single Shooting Phase unless there's a rule I'm missing.

There is a rule you're missing. It's called 'gunslinger'.

Yep was in 6th ed too One of the reasons Seraphim are good

 Crimson wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Why is that tempting? They can't fire both pistols in a single Shooting Phase unless there's a rule I'm missing.

There is a rule you're missing. It's called 'gunslinger'.

I still remember the night I noticed the gunslinger rule lying buried in the middle of the rulebook; I immediately started throwing double pistols on every single thing that could take them. A few hours later, Tactical Squad Big Texas was born.

This sounds interesting but I can't find it. What section is it in? Digital copy of the rulebook so a page number wouldn't help...

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
This sounds interesting but I can't find it. What section is it in? Digital copy of the rulebook so a page number wouldn't help...

Then just do a keyword search for "gunslinger."

Forgot I was using my PDF conversion (better bookmarks). The hidden gems of 40k... This definitely makes things more interesting.

 Arschbombe wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Torso and legs are practically death company bits.

With the CAD processes they use now, I bet those are the exact same as the DC bits. In fact, there's probably very little new sculpting in the kit. The other bits would have been made for the regular tactical squad.

Its not. You can see difference`s in the design. There is no saltires in the tac squad while there in the death company box etc

 Arschbombe wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Torso and legs are practically death company bits.

With the CAD processes they use now, I bet those are the exact same as the DC bits. In fact, there's probably very little new sculpting in the kit. The other bits would have been made for the regular tactical squad.

Yep, most of what I've seen is already in my bitz box. The more I see of this release the less interested I am.

 tomjoad wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
This sounds interesting but I can't find it. What section is it in? Digital copy of the rulebook so a page number wouldn't help...

Then just do a keyword search for "gunslinger."

I have just now rushed to grab my rulebook and look for "gunslinger"

I am so freakin' happy right now

Ive been using dual hand flamers on my assault marine sgt for 2 editions now. The gunlinger special rule is my favorite rule in the game. Its awesomely strong and awesomely thematic all at the same time.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 tomjoad wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
This sounds interesting but I can't find it. What section is it in? Digital copy of the rulebook so a page number wouldn't help...

Then just do a keyword search for "gunslinger."

I have just now rushed to grab my rulebook and look for "gunslinger"

I am so freakin' happy right now

Soon, you too can have an army of space cowboys!

But jumping back to the topic at hand; it really does look like us BA guys are about to get an amazing modeling boost with this new Tactical box. I actually kind of feel bad for the regular SM players who don't get as many sweet bits in their boxes.

I seriously don't give a crap... My Oracles of Change CSM's are getting a triple Flamer squad! Heavy Flamer, Flamer, Combi-flamer... hey, Tzeentch is all about (warp)flames - don't deny me my pyromania fun!

Besides, Chaos Marines should have been the 'first' marines to get the man-portable heavy flamer back, especially considering we haven't had a single new weapon upgrade option since 3rd edition, while loyalist scum have now received gakloads of new toys...

CSM's don't get infantry weapon upgrades because they get flying turkeys that ruin the game so badly it is forced to rush through a new edition.

Kangodo wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
Oh man I am going to make some triple flamer tactical squads.

Triple?
How about double handflamers.

If I can do it, I will. I only said triple because it looks obvious that we'll be able to do hand flamer, flamer and heavy flamer. Hopefully we'll get the two hand flamer option for the sergeant too.

Someone on natfka busted out a magnifying glass and saw the cost of death masks. Only 1 point per model. Im guessing they just cause fear now.

[Stop trying to hijack the thread with CSM whining. This is not a CSM thread.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Someone on natfka busted out a magnifying glass and saw the cost of death masks. Only 1 point per model. Im guessing they just cause fear now.

What did they cost before?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Someone on natfka busted out a magnifying glass and saw the cost of death masks. Only 1 point per model. Im guessing they just cause fear now.

What did they cost before?

5 per model.

If the Libby and termies are new I wonder if he will be part of the termie box aka the big mek in the MANz box?

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
When is the pre-order generally up on the web, like midnight tonight or Friday? Anyone know?

Friday, 8 PM CET

Thanks man. Now I need to figure out what time that is in Jakarta.

Cut the (CSM) chatter Red (X), stay on topic

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Someone on natfka busted out a magnifying glass and saw the cost of death masks. Only 1 point per model. Im guessing they just cause fear now.

What did they cost before?

5 per model.

Hot damn, an 80% point reduction!

Whatever the big box is, I will probably pick it up if the price is right.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Someone on natfka busted out a magnifying glass and saw the cost of death masks. Only 1 point per model. Im guessing they just cause fear now.

What did they cost before?

5 per model.

Hot damn, an 80% point reduction!


Whatever the big box is, I will probably pick it up if the price is right.

Even at 1 ppm the usefulness of death masks will entirely depend on what they do. Right now they have a weird version of super fear that only works when the unit charges but ignores ATSKNF and fearless. If they change it to just fear, itll be pretty useless.

I saw a picture on 4Chan of what appeared to be new Blood Angel Terminators. They appeared to be pretty blinged out, but it was in a big battle scene and they could have just as easily been repurposed Space Hulk Termies.

Still, they looked good from what I could see.

I'm really curious to see if that Terminator Librarian is a plastic clamshell...because I might have to nab one if so for my Deathwing.

Yes, there appeared to be a Termy Libby in the pic. Ok, maybe they were real.

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 tomjoad wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
This sounds interesting but I can't find it. What section is it in? Digital copy of the rulebook so a page number wouldn't help...

Then just do a keyword search for "gunslinger."

I have just now rushed to grab my rulebook and look for "gunslinger"

I am so freakin' happy right now

Soon, you too can have an army of space cowboys!

But jumping back to the topic at hand; it really does look like us BA guys are about to get an amazing modeling boost with this new Tactical box. I actually kind of feel bad for the regular SM players who don't get as many sweet bits in their boxes.

I run dual Plasma Pistols on some of my Guard sergeants, and while it's stupidly impractical and results in many a suicide, it's too cool to pass up.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Someone on natfka busted out a magnifying glass and saw the cost of death masks. Only 1 point per model. Im guessing they just cause fear now.

What did they cost before?

5 per model.

Hot damn, an 80% point reduction!

Whatever the big box is, I will probably pick it up if the price is right.

Even at 1 ppm the usefulness of death masks will entirely depend on what they do. Right now they have a weird version of super fear that only works when the unit charges but ignores ATSKNF and fearless. If they change it to just fear, itll be pretty useless.

Yeah, at 25pts per unit, Death Masks were a horrid upgrade. Really, they should come standard on Death Company since half of the appeal of building the models is to give them the cool looking Death Masks.

This is totally wishful thinking, but i really hope that the new death masks deny the opponent a chance to overwatch.

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
When is the pre-order generally up on the web, like midnight tonight or Friday? Anyone know?

Friday, 8 PM CET

Thanks man. Now I need to figure out what time that is in Jakarta.

Ugh. This is why I miss all the pre-orders. By the time I wake up, everything is always sold out. Stupid time zones.



Anyway, I am buoyed by all the optimism and Blood Angel-y Christmas cheer on this thread.


Please don't attach non wargaming images to Dakka. reds8n

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yes, there appeared to be a Termy Libby in the pic. Ok, maybe they were real.

Is that the same pic posted a bunch of pages back with the big battle scene and the termies including a librarian under a storm raven? Or a different pic?

Are we really posting that time zones.. are different across the world? Back to BA!

So is the hardback Codex going to be limited ed?

Wondering if I should pre-order since I have all the other 6th/7th books in hardback and don't want to break that up.

 warboss wrote:
Is that the same pic posted a bunch of pages back with the big battle scene and the termies including a librarian under a storm raven? Or a different pic?

I think that's it. As I said, I saw it at 4chan and haven't checked all the new pages in this thread today, so it could be the same one.

 Kirasu wrote:
Are we really posting that time zones.. are different across the world? Back to BA!

The time zones are important for the purposes of pre-ordering all this BA stuff.

I forget, pre-orders go up Noon Time, or 2pm, EST ?

I'm in for Codex, Datacards, and maybe even the dice.

 adamsouza wrote:
I forget, pre-orders go up Noon Time, or 2pm, EST ?

I'm in for Codex, Datacards, and maybe even the dice.

I'm in for the Data cards, I was VERY much in for some dice but GW couldn't take 5 mins out of their day to find out that Gamers don't want to be sad/upset to see their beloved symbol mean their models are no longer in the game. Same reason I'm not getting Tyranid Dice and same reason my friends have said they wont buy dice if they come out for their factions (can you tell how annoyed I am by this? lol). However as much as I want that Codex , I'm in the can't stand hard cover codex group and will either buy the Digital version and print my own out or........ as much as I hate to do it, wait for the soft cover I want soooooo badly

Hm.. can buy more models by not buying codex, cards or dice.. As if I need more dice. Seems a much more efficient use of limited dollars!

 adamsouza wrote:
I forget, pre-orders go up Noon Time, or 2pm, EST ?

I'm in for Codex, Datacards, and maybe even the dice.

Per my dealer; 2pm. I'll be spamming the refresh button from 1:55pm on.

I don't know if this has been said yet, but almost everything has been removed from the Blood Angels online store in the US. The only things remaining are the special characters, furioso dread, and baal predator.

Could this mean a massive wave of new models are coming?

No? Furioso dread and baal predator both came with the last book. They're probably being rebox and/or rebranded.

Yea, the only BA specific stuff removed was DC and Sanguinary Guard. The rest of the kits weren't BA specific, although we already know we're getting a Tac box for sure. The rest are being re-boxed with larger 32mm bases.

I believe that you misinterpreted my post, I am aware that the dread and predator were from last book, they are still on the site. Im talking about how literally everything else has been removed. Theres no land raiders, no terminators, no stormraven, no rhinos, no devastators, most everything is gone.

Now, I don't play blood angels, but im pretty sure all of those were previously in their book. What im saying is that, with these all being removed, could they be getting special blood angels variants of a lot of those models??

That's not how GW releases space marines.. All marines can use same base vehicles for the most parts. If you want blood angel branded vehicles you buy FW doors.

None of that is getting new models (maybe terminators).. Devastators can be made with the tactical squad.

 madmitch411 wrote:
I believe that you misinterpreted my post, I am aware that the dread and predator were from last book, they are still on the site. Im talking about how literally everything else has been removed. Theres no land raiders, no terminators, no stormraven, no rhinos, no devastators, most everything is gone.

Now, I don't play blood angels, but im pretty sure all of those were previously in their book. What im saying is that, with these all being removed, could they be getting special blood angels variants of a lot of those models??

When they redid the website the things that are also in the SM army only appeared on the SM army page (annoying as all get out, and terrible marketing IMO, but that's beside the point). The same thing occurs for the GK, go take a look.

Oh jeez, I didn't realize they just moved all that stuff to the space marine section. I can imagine that makes it pretty annoying to shop for blood angels, space wolves, grey knights, and dark angels.

 Kirasu wrote:
Hm.. can buy more models by not buying codex, cards or dice.. As if I need more dice. Seems a much more efficient use of limited dollars!

Are we really posting that more money...allows you to buy more stuff? Back to BA!

umm...sorry, but what's this about 32 mm bases? Are you telling me that I've spent the last feew days preparing over two hundred 25 mm bases for nothing??!! this is the parasite of mortrex all over again!

 the shrouded lord wrote:
umm...sorry, but what's this about 32 mm bases? Are you telling me that I've spent the last feew days preparing over two hundred 25 mm bases for nothing??!! this is the parasite of mortrex all over again!

Your 25mm bases will be just fine

phew...
If only my parasite had been too. I finished painting my converted parasite of mortrex a week before the tyranid codex early this year. and then it wasn't in the codex! games workshop even had the audacity to tease me over it by giving him a tiny little paragraph of fluff in the new codex.

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Hm.. can buy more models by not buying codex, cards or dice.. As if I need more dice. Seems a much more efficient use of limited dollars!

Are we really posting that more money...allows you to buy more stuff? Back to BA!

Hey at least it was about buying BA models instead of international time zones.

I think we were just trying to figure out times the GW UK would have their pre-orders up on the site.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
phew...
If only my parasite had been too. I finished painting my converted parasite of mortrex a week before the tyranid codex early this year. and then it wasn't in the codex! games workshop even had the audacity to tease me over it by giving him a tiny little paragraph of fluff in the new codex.

yeaaaa, the parasite was a sad event. However just so you're aware the new DC models will 100% be coming on 32mm bases now and very likely the Tactical and sanguinary guard as well. However theres nothing stopping you from using 25mm but dont be shocked when you see those bases in your boxes, its not a mistake.

 th3maninblak wrote:
This is totally wishful thinking, but i really hope that the new death masks deny the opponent a chance to overwatch.

1ppm to totally nerf Tau? Yeah, it's a new level of wishful thinking dude!

The same tau that have totally nerfed Blood Angels DoA special rule for nearly two editions due to interceptor on ridiculous under-costed MC's.

I can't wait to see this tactical squad when it goes up later. Going to be hard not to hit that preorder button!

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The same tau that have totally nerfed Blood Angels DoA special rule for nearly two editions due to interceptor on ridiculous under-costed MC's.

You know you have to pay for interceptor right? and Skyfire?


I'm a little concerned that this Lib is another direct port from Space hulk. I love that current finecast Termie Lib but it's finecast, so I've held off getting it and am using my old 1st ed one. which is slimmer than a normal Termie and looks odd.

I just on the terminator librarian from space hulk, thinking about painting it blood angels or adding it to my actual marine army as I have no librarians.

I'm not fussed about a Terminator libby for BA. I'll just use Calistarius from SH thanks

I really don't like the SH sculpt. I'm basing the rest of the Termies for 40k at the moment but I'm not bothering with him.

I genuinely think that Finecast one is in my top 5 greatest GW sculpts, maybe my favourite ever.

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
This is totally wishful thinking, but i really hope that the new death masks deny the opponent a chance to overwatch.

1ppm to totally nerf Tau? Yeah, it's a new level of wishful thinking dude!

Or to, you know, make an assault army super viable in this edition.

But nerfing tau would be a hilarious byproduct

So if the DC in Deathstorm are 210. Assuming the load out wargear cost the same that puts them at 25 ppm with jump packs. Which under the old pricing would make jps 5ppm.

Which is pretty groovy.

D

 th3maninblak wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
This is totally wishful thinking, but i really hope that the new death masks deny the opponent a chance to overwatch.

1ppm to totally nerf Tau? Yeah, it's a new level of wishful thinking dude!

Or to, you know, make an assault army super viable in this edition.

But nerfing tau would be a hilarious byproduct

I would be cool to see an assault army get some love, but you can't go round in a cycle breaking armies. I'll be happy with a slight points reduction. If we are wishlisting I'll take the ability to assault direct from a Rhino and Drop-pod

Well, sang guard will have to pay for those death masks, what's your point? If your point is that the cost would be very undercoated, and your argument is that a riptide (notably known as one of THE most undercoated units in the game) and it has to pay for interceptor (wouldn't need sky fire for deep striking jump pack troops) which some may argue is also undercoated as an upgrade then well... I don't have much too say.

Also, consider that Sang guard may still be 0-1 as a unit choice with the chance of only a specific formation allowing more then you don't really have too much too worry about. Avoid them, or kill them before they get in position to ignore your overwatch.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm really curious to see if that Terminator Librarian is a plastic clamshell...because I might have to nab one if so for my Deathwing.

I dread to think how much a clamshell Termintor character will cost, seeing as the Sanguinary Priest is £18...

£25 most likely

 Kirasu wrote:

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Hm.. can buy more models by not buying codex, cards or dice.. As if I need more dice. Seems a much more efficient use of limited dollars!

Are we really posting that more money...allows you to buy more stuff? Back to BA!

Hey at least it was about buying BA models instead of international time zones.

You do know he was asking time zones so he could know when pre-orders go up so he could buy Blood Angels as well?


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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The same tau that have totally nerfed Blood Angels DoA special rule for nearly two editions due to interceptor on ridiculous under-costed MC's.

I'm even more evil than that. I put it on my Broadside with HYMP & SMS unit instead. 24 shots all with the interceptor rule and twin linked.


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The Division Of Joy wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The same tau that have totally nerfed Blood Angels DoA special rule for nearly two editions due to interceptor on ridiculous under-costed MC's.

You know you have to pay for interceptor right? and Skyfire?


I'm a little concerned that this Lib is another direct port from Space hulk. I love that current finecast Termie Lib but it's finecast, so I've held off getting it and am using my old 1st ed one. which is slimmer than a normal Termie and looks odd.

yeah, but interceptor is only 5pts a model and it's freaking awesome for what it does.


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The Division Of Joy wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
This is totally wishful thinking, but i really hope that the new death masks deny the opponent a chance to overwatch.

1ppm to totally nerf Tau? Yeah, it's a new level of wishful thinking dude!

Or to, you know, make an assault army super viable in this edition.

But nerfing tau would be a hilarious byproduct

I would be cool to see an assault army get some love, but you can't go round in a cycle breaking armies. I'll be happy with a slight points reduction. If we are wishlisting I'll take the ability to assault direct from a Rhino and Drop-pod

I wish for the assaulting from a Rhino so much. We are the one chapter with fluff that pretty much states we should be able to do it. Talking about the fluff of the Lucius pattern engine from the 3rd ed codex here.

 DarthOvious wrote:

I wish for the assaulting from a Rhino so much. We are the one chapter with fluff that pretty much states we should be able to do it. Talking about the fluff of the Lucius pattern engine from the 3rd ed codex here.

My gaming group has basically said "screw that" to that rule and gone back to the 5th ed rules for assaulting from transports.

Heard from someone with the Deathstorm book;

Death company are WS4 now
They can score normally now
210 points for 5 with jump packs 1 powerfist, 1 thunderhammer, 1 infernus pistol, 1 power sword and a character with three attacks. If all the weapons cost the same apparently that works out to 25 points per jump pack death company boy.

Let the flood gates open!

What WS were DC before?

5

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What WS were DC before?

WS5

Well that works out to a 50 pt reduction for the squad between the old codex and the new. It does come at the cost of reducing WS from 5 to 4. I wonder how that character is getting an extra attack. They probably introduced the idea of a Death Company Sergeant. I guess I am okay with that.

or they're trolling and the character is chaplain lemartes.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
or they're trolling and the character is chaplain lemartes.

Nope. His name is Brother Raphen.

Im fine with WS4 and a nice cost reduction as far as DC keep relentless, furious charge and FnP. I love both bolter (1PF) and css/bolt pistol setups mixed in a 10 men blob. Keeping them cheap and cost effective was always vital for such overcosted units, now even better.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
or they're trolling and the character is chaplain lemartes.

Nope. His name is Brother Raphen.

Raphen is from the Blood Angels Omnibus, isn't he? I don't recall if he succumbed to the Black Rage. Fluffy...

 Falco wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
or they're trolling and the character is chaplain lemartes.

Nope. His name is Brother Raphen.

Raphen is from the Blood Angels Omnibus, isn't he? I don't recall if he succumbed to the Black Rage. Fluffy...

Well, they call him out as the Death Company's Squad Leader(not as a Sergeant specifically) in WD#44 so perhaps we will start seeing Death Company as able to be controlled and directed a little in the Fluff. It is cool that they are using a character from the novels as someone for Deathstorm.

Just got my Deathstorm box in. Scanned in the units for your perusal.


Sorry but we cannot have scans of entire rule books/supplements on Dakka.

Reds8n

Just wanted to point out that the Sanguinary Guard and Death Company are back on the GW website. Out of stock and their links are dead though.

Also, it is Bloody Toll not Bloody Yell. Sorry for the mistake earlier.

Ah, it was Bloody Toll. Am I the only one that thinks Blood Yell as initially suggested would be way cooler?

Finally got my Deathstorm box.
Funny thing is, the new bases have 2013 as a production date. I wonder how long this was planned.

 Paradigm wrote:
Ah, it was Bloody Toll. Am I the only one that thinks Blood Yell as initially suggested would be way cooler?

Don't give me that much credit.

Cheers for the pics Redemption. Interesting stuff! Is it me or have they missed the Strength stat from the Dreadnought?

So Furious Charge seems to be the Universal rule, Rage, fearless and Feel No Pain the Death Company rule. Nothing about rolling randomly.

Also, the relentless unit didn't have any rapid fire, salvo, heavy or ordnance weapons if I read that right. Pointless rule?

Jefffar wrote:
Also, the relentless unit didn't have any rapid fire, salvo, heavy or ordnance weapons if I read that right. Pointless rule?

DC have bolters.

What I found interesting is the cost of the Terminator squad. Would have expected them to be reduced to something like 33 per model as well like the GK terminators and Sanguinary Guard. Of course, they could still be lower in the real codex.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Cheers for the pics Redemption. Interesting stuff! Is it me or have they missed the Strength stat from the Dreadnought?

You're welcome. And indeed they have it seems, but I guess it's safe to say it remains at 6.

Jefffar wrote:
Also, the relentless unit didn't have any rapid fire, salvo, heavy or ordnance weapons if I read that right. Pointless rule?

For consistency with the codex, I assume.

So points changes between editions

Captain Karlaen went from 155 pts to 160 pts, but his Thunder Hammer is master-crafted.

Terminators went from 210 pts to 215 pts but have a unique character with Preferred Enemy Tyranids.

Death Company went from 260 pts to 210 pts but have a unique character with an additional attack.

Death Company Dreadnought stayed 140 pts. Blood Talons got a significant boost, IMO.

 Redemption wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Cheers for the pics Redemption. Interesting stuff! Is it me or have they missed the Strength stat from the Dreadnought?

You're welcome. And indeed they have it seems, but I guess it's safe to say it remains at 6.

I suppose it doesn't really matter where furioso dreads are concerned since they're hitting at S10 all the time.

Do BA dreads not come with smoke launcher stock?

 Nevelon wrote:
Do BA dreads not come with smoke launcher stock?

DC Dreads didn't in the previous codex, I imagine that remains the case.

 Falco wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
or they're trolling and the character is chaplain lemartes.

Nope. His name is Brother Raphen.

Raphen is from the Blood Angels Omnibus, isn't he? I don't recall if he succumbed to the Black Rage. Fluffy...

Its the same but different. In the omnibus it was Rafen, and yes, he succumbed to the rage after injecting himself with a vial of Sanguinius' blood.. But they fixed it by separating the blood out, if i recall correctly. Curious though.

Pic of the special character sprues.

damn I want the mega-stealer. to bad I chopped my genestealers up to make chaos spawns.

feth me that's a BIG Brood Lord...

oh feth. a dirty minded. you know, how, to infect people, genestealers...umm...insert their stroboscope....*ahem*

The Terminator Captain looks to have a huge amount of potential in terms of customization. Sucks that his cape in in two parts(one of which is on his arm and shoulder). But the legs are separate so people can give him something other than the fencer's pose.

GW wants you to pre-order from them and then they take their time shipping it.
Ordered mine 11/28
Release Date 12/6
Shipping Status as of 12/5 Pending
Tried the provided tracking number, invalid

 adamsouza wrote:
GW wants you to pre-order from them and then they take their time shipping it.
Ordered mine 11/28
Release Date 12/6
Shipping Status as of 12/5 Pending
Tried the provided tracking number, invalid

They want you to order and pick up from their stores. If you had ordered it from their store and selected "in store pick-up", it would already be there waiting for you to come and get it on Saturday.

I ordered mine from The War Store, and this was on their site yesterday:

The stock to fill Black Friday orders is coming in more slowly than we expected. Battlefront and Dust Stocks (other than the PreOrders that are known to be arriving later) should be arriving tomorrow. Games Workshop has told our distributor that they are overwhelmed with orders and filling them as fast as they can. We will ship out all orders as soon as we can get the stock in to fill them. Thanks for making Black Friday such a success!

So I'll get mine next Friday, just as a guess.

That's a very convert-friendly captain.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So points changes between editions

Captain Karlaen went from 155 pts to 160 pts, but his Thunder Hammer is master-crafted.

Terminators went from 210 pts to 215 pts but have a unique character with Preferred Enemy Tyranids.

Death Company went from 260 pts to 210 pts but have a unique character with an additional attack.

Death Company Dreadnought stayed 140 pts. Blood Talons got a significant boost, IMO.

Don't put too much stock into the points values. None of the Tyranid ones match up with the codex. For example, the Carnifex equipped as listed would be 155pts rather than 170.

 Carnage43 wrote:
Heard from someone with the Deathstorm book;

Death company are WS4 now
They can score normally now
210 points for 5 with jump packs 1 powerfist, 1 thunderhammer, 1 infernus pistol, 1 power sword and a character with three attacks. If all the weapons cost the same apparently that works out to 25 points per jump pack death company boy.

Let the flood gates open!

It's decent cost, certainly much better than before. I was still hoping for 2-3 pts for the jump pack with the base cost staying the same.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well that works out to a 50 pt reduction for the squad between the old codex and the new. It does come at the cost of reducing WS from 5 to 4. I wonder how that character is getting an extra attack. They probably introduced the idea of a Death Company Sergeant. I guess I am okay with that.

In saying that it's normally a 10pt upgrade for a character with an extra attack and ld bonus which doesn't matter for DC. If that's the case then perhaps we are looking at 23pts per model with a jump pack which is what I was hoping for.

So do death company remain troops? Did we go from never-scoring death company to objective secured death company?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Falco wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
or they're trolling and the character is chaplain lemartes.

Nope. His name is Brother Raphen.

Raphen is from the Blood Angels Omnibus, isn't he? I don't recall if he succumbed to the Black Rage. Fluffy...

Well, they call him out as the Death Company's Squad Leader(not as a Sergeant specifically) in WD#44 so perhaps we will start seeing Death Company as able to be controlled and directed a little in the Fluff. It is cool that they are using a character from the novels as someone for Deathstorm.

Actually considering his role in that book and what he does at the end it would make sense. He is pretty much the only one to keep his head straight while the other were losing it around him and it was his actions that saved the rest from pretty much falling into the black rage in the first place.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
So do death company remain troops? Did we go from never-scoring death company to objective secured death company?

Yes. Depends on how good our Detachment is, it will probably beat ObSec.

 Redemption wrote:
What I found interesting is the cost of the Terminator squad. Would have expected them to be reduced to something like 33 per model as well like the GK terminators and Sanguinary Guard. Of course, they could still be lower in the real codex.

You thought GW might have learned that tactical terminators are terrible? Hm :p If there is one thing GW is great at.. it's making SM tactical terminators absolutely garbage since 1998. Why stop now?!

 adamsouza wrote:
GW wants you to pre-order from them and then they take their time shipping it.
Ordered mine 11/28
Release Date 12/6
Shipping Status as of 12/5 Pending
Tried the provided tracking number, invalid

Same with mine, but they actually ship it beforehand. My store has it already but my order says pending. The store manager says he can't give it to me till tomorrow though.

Maybe its because Raphen that DC can score objectives now. So much fluff

If you have ordered it to your home GW will not send it to you until tomorrow

How about some rundown of models, units, and special rules.
Somebody will certainly have the codex?

 wuestenfux wrote:
How about some rundown of models, units, and special rules.
Somebody will certainly have the codex?

Blood Angels Codex or the Deathstorm Datasheets ?

Too early for Codex leaks, maybe Monday when the White Dwarf leaks we will see some codex blurry pics.

All the DeathStorm Datasheets are on the web already, mentioned them on my blog.

For anyone struggling with time zones, it is currently 18.30 in the UK, so approx 30 mins until the site may be updated. (Tends to be just after 1900 through to about 1930 most weeks)

 wuestenfux wrote:
How about some rundown of models, units, and special rules.
Somebody will certainly have the codex?

Dex goes on pre order today. No one will have it until next week

 adamsouza wrote:
GW wants you to pre-order from them and then they take their time shipping it.
Ordered mine 11/28
Release Date 12/6
Shipping Status as of 12/5 Pending
Tried the provided tracking number, invalid

You have a tracking number? We don't get anything like that over here lol. It just says pending or dispatched lol.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
What I found interesting is the cost of the Terminator squad. Would have expected them to be reduced to something like 33 per model as well like the GK terminators and Sanguinary Guard. Of course, they could still be lower in the real codex.

You thought GW might have learned that tactical terminators are terrible? Hm :p If there is one thing GW is great at.. it's making SM tactical terminators absolutely garbage since 1998. Why stop now?!

Fourth edition would like to have a word with you. It's toting two assault cannons, FYI...

 angelofvengeance wrote:


I suppose it doesn't really matter where furioso dreads are concerned since they're hitting at S10 all the time.

Says someone who has never had a furioso get both arms blown off and then run around the battlefield with one hull point headbutting enemy tanks and rhinos

The weapon skill reduction on death company kinda sucks, but it would be awesome if they score.

 th3maninblak wrote:
The weapon skill reduction on death company kinda sucks, but it would be awesome if they score.

There doesn't seem to be any rule that says they can't score nor anything saying they aren't objective secured. If I am wrong on that, someone please correct me.

 th3maninblak wrote:
The weapon skill reduction on death company kinda sucks, but it would be awesome if they score.

Well, if we can have them really cheap with cheap JP's while having them as scoring units... I'm fine with that.

Ooh, Space Hulk is back up too http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Hulk

So hard not to impulsively buy Space Hulk, but there are so many figures on ebay for it that I can live without!

Preorders are up, and either someone at GW has made a massive cock-up, or Space Hulk is back!

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Hulk?_requestid=14430273

Edit:
Looks like I was beaten to it...

Pre-orders are up.

DC and Sanguinary Guard have been photoshopped onto new bases, but still cost the same as before.

It looks like the pre-order is up

I like that they're now making the point that the resin on Smaug is ForgeWorld resin. That's the closest we'll get to an apology for finecast

New Terminators

All images are from the Painting Guide Pre-Order








If someone can tell me the size of the larger GW images I can put them into the URL to get bigger pictures

Those sure are. and looks like a lib too.

 gorgon wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
What I found interesting is the cost of the Terminator squad. Would have expected them to be reduced to something like 33 per model as well like the GK terminators and Sanguinary Guard. Of course, they could still be lower in the real codex.

You thought GW might have learned that tactical terminators are terrible? Hm :p If there is one thing GW is great at.. it's making SM tactical terminators absolutely garbage since 1998. Why stop now?!

Fourth edition would like to have a word with you. It's toting two assault cannons, FYI...

Honestly, I think Tactical Termies would be fixed if they were allowed to take a second heavy weapon at 6-10 models, instead of forcing everyone to pay the +160pts additional tax...

6 man with 2 ass-cans is still a meaty 280pts, (using Vanilla codex costs), which is still a sizable pts sink in any game under 2k.

Termies are new, but look to be TH/SS, LC and banner only. Fits the style and I may get some so the two CC Termies in SH have company, but overall I almost expected something a little more unique.

Any news or rumors on Dante guys?

Ok, I found the larger size - changing images now

 Paradigm wrote:
Termies are new, but look to be TH/SS, LC and banner only. Fits the style and I may get some so the two CC Termies in SH have company, but overall I almost expected something a little more unique.

A hitherto unprecedented, at least in some time, upgrade sprue?

Yeah the Terminators look OK, but do look a bit like they just have a BA upgrade kit on them. Would be nice to see an Arjac-esque pose in there

That plastic Sanguinary Priest is hot sex. Would be easy to convert to a Dark Angels Apothecary, too. I mean, if you don't mind paying 30 bucks and then chopping and filing away all the bling Still, some nice stuff coming the BAs way. I'm kinda jealous. Looking forward to better pics of that termie Librarian. I loves me some TDA.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Termies are new, but look to be TH/SS, LC and banner only. Fits the style and I may get some so the two CC Termies in SH have company, but overall I almost expected something a little more unique.

A hitherto unprecedented, at least in some time, upgrade sprue?

Could be, I don't have to to check part for part at the moment but that would be one way of doing it.

I'm certainly sold on the new Tacticals, but I think I'll combine them with the SM Tactical kit for middling amounts of bling.

I must say I'm a little disappointed in the lack of a supplement with the SG Edition. I was holding out hope as I really wanted to buy it. It just doesn't have the value at $165 for $88 worth of books and some art prints. Not even a set of objective markers.

Nice, got my sanguinary guard codex pre-ordered now. I also got two tins of dice and a set of datacards as well.

Are the Assault Marines behind the Land Raider new?

Are the Terminators to the right of the Librarian from the Death Company?

I don't know, I'm just asking Dakka opinion.

The magnify option on the GW website gives a better view of them.

Liking the tac squad coming with two heavy weapons

 the_Armyman wrote:
That plastic Sanguinary Priest is hot sex. Would be easy to convert to a Dark Angels Apothecary, too. I mean, if you don't mind paying 30 bucks and then chopping and filing away all the bling Still, some nice stuff coming the BAs way. I'm kinda jealous. Looking forward to better pics of that termie Librarian. I loves me some TDA.

If you're going to go that route for apothecaries then just buy the FW ones.

I think those assault marines in that image are the recently redone vanguard veterans kit.

double post

What is this Wings of Mortalis thing that they are talking about in the the Death Company pictures?

breakingstick wrote:
What is this Wings of Mortalis thing that they are talking about in the the Death Company pictures?

Squad names.

That assault termi squad needs Corbulo. It hurts not to see him there.

The new 'Assaults' look to be Vanguards, first time we've seen them in BA colours.

Looks like they've expanded DC fluff to represent the different weapon options (infantry assault, jump packs, bolters, anti MC/vehicle etc) as different types of squad.

Might be reflected in the list, might not.

 JudgeShamgar wrote:

Are the Assault Marines behind the Land Raider new?

Looks like the Vanguard kit.

TBH the terminators look terrible. The Deathwing Knights look much better imo.

I do not think the Terminators are an upgrade sprue, just an all new kit. Some of the bling on the Sergeant's legs looks like it is one piece, I may be wrong though.

I am with Para on the half BA Tacticals and standard purchase though, just a bit OTT with wings and blood drops for me, still a great kit though. Just so many options.

Dice gone already

So the new codex is out, any info?

 Las wrote:
So the new codex is out, any info?

Its only just went up for pre order. Its not out til next week

32mm for all the new kits that I saw:

 pretre wrote:
Tac Squad:
"This multi-part plastic kit contains 165 components with which to make a 10-man Blood Angels Tactical Squad. Also includes 10 x 32mm round bases."

DC:
"This 94-piece kit contains five multi-part plastic Blood Angels Death Company miniatures. It includes 5 backpacks, 5 jump packs, 20 shoulder pads and 8 heads. Also included are a range of bolters, bolt pistols and chainswords, a host of other weapon options and 5 x 32mm round bases."

SG:
"This 95-piece kit makes 5 multi-part plastic Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard. It includes 15 different heads (five with helmets, five bare heads and five Death Masks), 15 elaborate shoulder pads, 5 Glaives Encarmine, 6 Angelus boltguns, an inferno pistol, a plasma pistol, five variations of legs and five different torsos. Also included are a banner with sculpted detailing and a range of pouches and Blood Angels accessories that allow you to further customise your unit. Models supplied with 5 x 32mm round bases."

Sang Priest:
"This 11-piece plastic kit makes a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest armed with a double-edged chainsword. He holds aloft a blood chalice and is equipped with a narthecium, the instrument of all Space Marine Apothecaries. It also includes a scenic 32mm round base."

I saw the pre-order go up, went to pick up my son, dice already sold out, one of the things I wanted to get. Really disappointed!!

 Kelly502 wrote:
I saw the pre-order go up, went to pick up my son, dice already sold out, one of the things I wanted to get. Really disappointed!!

Get them from a store.

 pretre wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
I saw the pre-order go up, went to pick up my son, dice already sold out, one of the things I wanted to get. Really disappointed!!

Get them from a store.

Or eBay in a week, haha.

Cannot get the dice other than on- line.



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Yeah no kidding! I really wanted those because my dice hate me as it is so I wanted my dice to look cool as they turned up one's on my Get's Hot rolls and then the armor saves.

All the previews of the digital versions are available, including the iBook ones

Stunning artwork!


And a Terminator close-up




Including pics from the eBook preview







The better ones are in the iBook preview

beautiful getting them.

Does Deathstorm box come with extra 32mm bases? I guess its a big NO but it would be a way to say "sorry for the trouble"

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Does Deathstorm box come with extra 32mm bases? I guess its a big NO but it would be a way to say "sorry for the trouble"

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Shield-of-Baal-Deathstorm-English

This box set contains 25 Citadel miniatures, including: 1 Blood Angels Terminator Captain, 1 Furioso Dreadnaught, 5 Death Company Space Marines, 5 Space Marine Terminators, 1 Broodlord, 8 Genestealers, 3 Tyranid Warriors and 1 Carnifex. It also includes a Deathstorm transfer sheet, 1 Dreadnaught Base, 6 x 40mm Round Bases, 5 x 32mm Round Bases, 9 x 25mm Round Bases, 3 x 50mm Round Bases, 1 x 105mm Oval Base and 1 x 75mm Oval Base.

Motograter wrote:

 Las wrote:
So the new codex is out, any info?

Its only just went up for pre order. Its not out til next week

True. Usually there's leaks by now. Just curious.

The end of Necron-bro'fisting it seems

The only thing i really want to see at this point is for assault marines to go down to 17 points per model, remain troops and keep the same wargear selections. A 17 point assault marine with furious charge and DoA would be a dream come true.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The end of Necron-bro'fisting it seems

Maybe the 'joke' will die with it...

So does anyone know the new death company points per man?

Nice thanks for those pictures! The iconography is amazing!! Can't wait! 2 tactical squads coming my way. Not sure about the limited codex yet...

Yeah if you bought the black library story yesterday, the unexpected ally is not Necrons.

BeeCee wrote:
Yeah if you bought the black library story yesterday, the unexpected ally is not Necrons.

Who is it?

 pretre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The end of Necron-bro'fisting it seems

Maybe the 'joke' will die with it...

Pfft. You only think it's dead. Really it is going to sleep for 60 million years.

 pretre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The end of Necron-bro'fisting it seems

Maybe the 'joke' will die with it...

Yes please!


There is half a dozen army screenshots in the iBook enhanced edition codex preview (phew) with models of Corbulo, Meph, and others. Not sure yet if anyone is new, but it seems not :(




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Found the warlord traits


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Found a close-up if the new libby, great model


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The Warlords Traits for Blood Angels are:

1 Red Rampage
2 Speed of the Primarch
3 Artisan of War
4 Soulwarden
5 Desent of Angel
6 Heroic Bearing

No rules for them included or my old ipad cannot show them due to technical issues, sorry


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There is a large army shot (before the appendix) in the iBook Codex and sorry to confirm

Dante, Lemartes, Corbulo, Mephiston and Astorath are NOT new sculpts

Just seen the new Sanguinary Priest is £18!!!!! £18 for a mono pose plastic model with now weapon options!!!!!! I don't get it.

Looking at the sprue pics of the sang. priest it should be easy to work with. The BA shoulder pad even looks to be separate, for all the successor chapters.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
So does anyone know the new death company points per man?

Based on my calculations, they appear to be 23pts with jump packs. This is based on the current wargear prices of all their upgrades (using Codex: Space Wolves as a reference), and assuming that the Sergeant is a +10pt upgrade. Also, I assumed that Inferno Pistols are +15pts to put them in line with Plasma Pistols.

Bottom-line: You can expect Death Company to be 18-20pts base in my estimation.

 pretre wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
Yeah if you bought the black library story yesterday, the unexpected ally is not Necrons.

Who is it?

Read this:

 pretre wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
Yeah if you bought the black library story yesterday, the unexpected ally is not Necrons.

Who is it?

Yeah - Sororitas would be cool Eldar interesting, Inquisition possible.

who is it?

hmm ... GW has the Death company slotted in Elites now instead of Troops. The Sang. Priest is in the HQ section as well.

BeeCee wrote:

 pretre wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
Yeah if you bought the black library story yesterday, the unexpected ally is not Necrons.

Who is it?

Read this:

Spoiler:

Iyanden Eldar come to the aid of an imperial world to murder some Nids

Appreciated.

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
hmm ... GW has the Death company slotted in Elites now instead of Troops. The Sang. Priest is in the HQ section as well.

The latter, I expected, the former, not so much...

The dataslates for the Shield of Baal dudes has the DC in troops. Same for the DC Dread.

 Paradigm wrote:

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
hmm ... GW has the Death company slotted in Elites now instead of Troops. The Sang. Priest is in the HQ section as well.

The latter, I expected, the former, not so much...

Lemartes is still under troops

The Sanguinary Priest may be under HQ on the webstore, but that means there's still hope he could be a slotless unit. 1-3 priests for every HQ or whatever the mechanic might be.

The new Terminator Librarian comes with two different right hands, a combi-melta one and a pointing finger one. In his left hand he carries a force axe

No new Assault Marines, no new Dreadnought. Sternguard and Vanguards are built from the SM kit

The Painting Guide ibook shows the new terminators in full glory. Except for the poses they are as good as the Space Hulk ones. The storm shields look great