Hulksmash wrote: At that price point I'd likely have to pass as well. I like the models and ideas but if that's where they're planning on pricing models (as that's supposed to include a free Warlord) I'd be out. But I still feel like that's inaccurate. $180 would make it the highest cost starter yet and would fit more inline with what's been shown.
Anyone know of a video that's watchable of the AT game? I checked twitch and keep getting a 5000 content is not available error with all of the WHTV videos. The live stream seems to work fine, just not VoD
Nostromodamus wrote: I cannot see how it could be $280. I thought $180 was too much. Seems like fake news to me.
I've been expecting the Warlords to be $90-100 each retail. They're approaching 40K Knight size. A box of Knights isn't going to be less than $50. So you're probably looking at the minis alone being close to $300 retail. And if the terrain is worth say, $75 (from the unboxing videos this seems reasonable, as there appears to be a lot more in the box than what's shown in that pic), a $280 price tag basically does give you a Warlord for free.
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Warlord is 3 sprues and the knights are three to a sprue. Add two, IIRC, sprues for the little bits and 8 sprues of buildings that's 18 standard-sized frames (i.e. sized to fit in the box a Space Marine Tactical Squad comes in, or 1/4 the area of the box top).
Necromunda has 4 sprues that size plus two double-sized sprues.
So 18 sprues vs 8 sprues. And Necromunda is £75. You are implying that AT will be a lot closer to $200 that $300?
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Warlord is 3 sprues and the knights are three to a sprue. Add two, IIRC, sprues for the little bits and 8 sprues of buildings that's 18 standard-sized frames (i.e. sized to fit in the box a Space Marine Tactical Squad comes in, or 1/4 the area of the box top).
Necromunda has 4 sprues that size plus two double-sized sprues.
So 18 sprues vs 8 sprues. And Necromunda is £75. You are implying that AT will be a lot closer to $200 that $300?
Necromunda box only have 6 sprues, 4 for gangs,1 for door, 1 for objectives. The money lie on those double sided zone-mortalis cardboard. If you only count the plastic and nothing else you actually lose money if you buy the Necromunda box.
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Warlord is 3 sprues and the knights are three to a sprue. Add two, IIRC, sprues for the little bits and 8 sprues of buildings that's 18 standard-sized frames (i.e. sized to fit in the box a Space Marine Tactical Squad comes in, or 1/4 the area of the box top).
Necromunda has 4 sprues that size plus two double-sized sprues.
So 18 sprues vs 8 sprues. And Necromunda is £75. You are implying that AT will be a lot closer to $200 that $300?
Necromunda box only have 6 sprues, 4 for gangs,1 for door, 1 for objectives. The money lie on those double sided zone-mortalis cardboard. If you only count the plastic and nothing else you actually lose money if you buy the Necromunda box.
He said two of the six are double size, so I was counting those two sprues as four sprues. (I haven't looked closely at the contsnts of either box though).
There's no possible way I can afford a single 280$ plus tax purchase right now. Especially when i'd need another 100+ dollars for the reavers and warhounds. I'm going to have to start considering just getting the rules box and taking this slow.
Any ideas on what the rules box would be? If thats 80 bucks or more I might pass on that too.
If you count double-sized sprues as two sprues then Kill Team Starter set comes with 21 sprues and Imperial Knights: Renegade 22 sprues for comparison.
Thargrim wrote: There's no possible way I can afford a single 280$ plus tax purchase right now. Especially when i'd need another 100+ dollars for the reavers and warhounds. I'm going to have to start considering just getting the rules box and taking this slow.
Any ideas on what the rules box would be? If thats 80 bucks or more I might pass on that too.
Then you probably should come back on xmas to pick up the reprint of the GM box , well according to rumour anyway. And by that time the game would probably had more than just 2 identical warlords and knight shooting at each other.
Two Warlords and 8 Knights doesn't look like a particularly good starting composition for one player anyway. The idea is that this box gives two players something to start with and some terrain for the table.
jullevi wrote: If you count double-sized sprues as two sprues then Kill Team Starter set comes with 21 sprues and Imperial Knights: Renegade 22 sprues for comparison.
So which is better value? (sorry if this is a dumb question, I really don't keep up with releases anymore. I like to look at the pics sometimes but I pay zero attention to prices / box contents). I understand that KR is great value, considering the price of a single knight. Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
(I just bought two knights singly on ebay, so no terrain etc. Seems to be six double sprues (ie 12 single) for the knights only).
jullevi wrote: If you count double-sized sprues as two sprues then Kill Team Starter set comes with 21 sprues and Imperial Knights: Renegade 22 sprues for comparison.
So which is better value? (sorry if this is a dumb question, I really don't keep up with releases anymore. I like to look at the pics sometimes but I pay zero attention to prices / box contents). I understand that KR is great value, considering the price of a single knight. Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
(I just bought two knights singly on ebay, so no terrain etc. Seems to be six double sprues (ie 12 single) for the knights only).
Can't tell until official price is out. But GW-branch board game almost always have better plastic value than FW branch board game. IK:Renegade, Kill team, and even Burning of Prospero are GW branch board game with very high value. AT is a FW-branch board game.
Rumour has it that it will be about £240 or more, which is just insane for two warlords with no weapon options and six knights.
There is a weapons option sprue coming later, but you will have to buy that separately.
All in all I was excited but the price has dampened me down.
Yeah that's a non-starter box(ahaha, I'll get me coat).
Seriously though, 180 quid was just barely squeaking the edge of tolerable once you factored in online discounts, but going well above 200? Not happening. And if that's suggestive of the prices for the kits themselves, what was even the point of switching to plastic in the first place? If a Thanatar-sized plastic Warlord is going to cost as much or more than a resin Thanatar, AT is going to tank. And if the Titans aren't hideously priced, such a high cost for the big box would suggest they are massively over-valuing the cardboard terminals and the weapon card decks which will make the separate rules packs also ridiculously expensive.
It's a sign of what GW has managed to do for their image of late that I actually struggle to believe they'd be so colossally greedy and stupid as to price it that high.
EDIT: Perhaps people shouldn't come into rumours threads if they don't want to see people discussing and talking through the implications of rumours...
I've been pretty excited for this for a while, but the contents image kind of dampened my enthusiasm. That price point would probably stomp it dead unfortunately.
If someone picks it up I'll give it a go and buy in if the game feels exceptional, but at the moment a few recent and upcoming releases have me cold on it.
Primarily, the spectacle feeling isn't kicking in. It doesn't really look all that different from running Knights alongside my Deathwatch. Sure, the building scale is completely different, but the Knights release has been awesome and really given me an outlet for that big stompy robot I want.
So, that kind of leaves me looking to the rules. If it ends up being a light investment game, I kind of feel like Renegade scratches that Knight Fight itch. It's not that deep of a game, but it will let me put down two things about that big and have them tear each other apart well enough. On the heavy investment side.... well.... MonPoc is coming, and that's simply one of my favorite games ever. This would have to work pretty hard to outmatch that game's sense of giant, destructive carnage.
So $280 US is two stardrakes which is £170. £40 ($65) for the rules, £25 ($40) for 3 Knights, £20 ($35) for the scenery and £60 ($100) for a Warlord, gives you one Warlord free, which is what they have said. That price is quite possible.
I'm willing to bet seeing how big the models are in person and seeing their details might make the price seem better. A high price on something you see online and for which you've only a few comparison photos can make it seem not like a good deal until you see the model or even hold one in hand.
It's like the 2 foot Starship that is several hundred £ from Armada that has been shown at Gencon - online it looks good in photos, but not worth its price. In person I bet its a totally different situation.
I'd wager we might see changes in opinions once people see the models. We might also see it when people get one or two boxes before getting the "starter". Plus GW know its a high priced starter which is why we can still get all the content outside of it in bits - sure you pay more in the long run but it breaks the price up from that "shocker sticker"
Chikout wrote: So $280 US is two stardrakes which is £170. £40 ($65) for the rules, £25 ($40) for 3 Knights, £20 ($35) for the scenery and £60 ($100) for a Warlord, gives you one Warlord free, which is what they have said. That price is quite possible.
Aye ~£180 was what I was forcing myself to continue expecting, it's someone suggesting it could be nearly £250 that spun me for a loop. It's still too expensive(IMO) for plastic & cardboard, but it's the same kind of too expensive that most GW products are, and I buy plenty of those, but 250 would just be a pisstake.
master of ordinance wrote: Rumour has it that it will be about £240 or more, which is just insane for two warlords with no weapon options and six knights.
There is a weapons option sprue coming later, but you will have to buy that separately.
All in all I was excited but the price has dampened me down.
I'm hoping it is 240 usd, and people confused it for pounds.
Chikout wrote: So $280 US is two stardrakes which is £170. £40 ($65) for the rules, £25 ($40) for 3 Knights, £20 ($35) for the scenery and £60 ($100) for a Warlord, gives you one Warlord free, which is what they have said. That price is quite possible.
Aye ~£180 was what I was forcing myself to continue expecting, it's someone suggesting it could be nearly £250 that spun me for a loop. It's still too expensive(IMO) for plastic & cardboard, but it's the same kind of too expensive that most GW products are, and I buy plenty of those, but 250 would just be a pisstake.
£250 is coming from two ex-GW employees whom based their guesstimates on some info they picked up.
Didn't we have someone ask someone at GW and they said that £200 was a cap they didn't want to go over?
I think its back there - somewhere in the other 70 odd pages of chatter in this thread
Ergh. If that box really comes out at near $280 USD there is no way I'm picking it up, and I have been faithfully stashing away funds because I am super excited for this release. If the models are that price range ($100 for the Warlord, for example), there is no way I would pay that much, and less than zero chance I could get my friends interested, and they love stompy robot games.
I'll keep my fingers crossed they keep it under $200.
LunarSol wrote: I've been pretty excited for this for a while, but the contents image kind of dampened my enthusiasm. That price point would probably stomp it dead unfortunately.
If someone picks it up I'll give it a go and buy in if the game feels exceptional, but at the moment a few recent and upcoming releases have me cold on it.
Primarily, the spectacle feeling isn't kicking in. It doesn't really look all that different from running Knights alongside my Deathwatch. Sure, the building scale is completely different, but the Knights release has been awesome and really given me an outlet for that big stompy robot I want.
So, that kind of leaves me looking to the rules. If it ends up being a light investment game, I kind of feel like Renegade scratches that Knight Fight itch. It's not that deep of a game, but it will let me put down two things about that big and have them tear each other apart well enough. On the heavy investment side.... well.... MonPoc is coming, and that's simply one of my favorite games ever. This would have to work pretty hard to outmatch that game's sense of giant, destructive carnage.
So... yeah.... maybe?
The rules are quite unique, from my very vague memories of Titanicus. It was a bit like that starship game that was popular on Twitch a year back. Your ship (titan) and a "floor plan" with lots of different segments. You had to devote crew to putting out fires. Sometimes shields would weaken at a certain point, and you had the choice to re-route power to that spot, but at the cost of other assets (energy for movement, firing). Your ship (titan) would have some locations completely destroyed. That's how I remember it at least. Lots of micro-management. IDK what "lightweight" game play is as I haven't played a wargame in decades, but it always seemed engaging and diverse.
My buddies and I were talking, and we agreed that if it - for some reason - is actually nearly $280 for the starter box, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Poor sales numbers will then send the incorrect message that people aren't interested in AT or specialist games, etc. I really hope that's not the case. My group has also avoided Necromunda entirely (well, only twelve of us in our small group) because of the poor release schedule/design choices. I sometimes feel GW is intentionally making bizarre and poor choices on the specialist games side in order to justify future decisions.
So, I'd love to be wrong. Given the contents of the box shown, I'd be unwilling to entertain anything over $200 for it. When a Knight Renegade box comes in around $160 for an equal amount of plastic, it's just unthinkable.
Elbows wrote: My buddies and I were talking, and we agreed that if it - for some reason - is actually nearly $280 for the starter box, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Poor sales numbers will then send the incorrect message that people aren't interested in AT or specialist games, etc. I really hope that's not the case. My group has also avoided Necromunda entirely (well, only twelve of us in our small group) because of the poor release schedule/design choices. I sometimes feel GW is intentionally making bizarre and poor choices on the specialist games side in order to justify future decisions.
So, I'd love to be wrong. Given the contents of the box shown, I'd be unwilling to entertain anything over $200 for it. When a Knight Renegade box comes in around $160 for an equal amount of plastic, it's just unthinkable.
near 300 dollars for the starter set will be partiucklarly bad yeah, the over all result of that is likely to be "I'm gonna go play Battletech"
Frankly if this exceeds the cost of Knight Renegade I'd be very surprised. That seems to be the break point around here. And once a couple people decide not to bother it snowballs. After all no one wants to be the guy trying to drum up players for the stupidly over priced game when you can get your giant robot fun in with Battletech or 40k.
I dunno about the prices and all that, but I've just sat down and read about the mechanics in White Dwarf and I am ALL THE HYPED!
The terminals look complicated but they lay it all out and it makes much more sense now. Movement and facing is super important, which I love, same with activation order.
I liked that there isn't old school 40k armour facings, but you get a strength bonus when hitting from behind so there is a good bonus to outflanking the enemy.
I might skip the big box because I don't think I'll need 2 warlords with the same armaments, or 2 banners of knights, but I'm still keen to leap right on this at launch.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also can't help but notice they call it 'Adeptus Titanicus: The Horus Heresy'.
Makes me think of Shadespire, which GW had to remind people recently is actually called Warhammer Underworlds: Sadespire, because there seems to be an expansion in the works going somewhere that isn't the city of Shadespire.
With the naming convention I think the door is open in a couple of years for Adeptus Titanicus: Xeno or something.
Elbows wrote: My buddies and I were talking, and we agreed that if it - for some reason - is actually nearly $280 for the starter box, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Poor sales numbers will then send the incorrect message that people aren't interested in AT or specialist games, etc. I really hope that's not the case. My group has also avoided Necromunda entirely (well, only twelve of us in our small group) because of the poor release schedule/design choices. I sometimes feel GW is intentionally making bizarre and poor choices on the specialist games side in order to justify future decisions.
So, I'd love to be wrong. Given the contents of the box shown, I'd be unwilling to entertain anything over $200 for it. When a Knight Renegade box comes in around $160 for an equal amount of plastic, it's just unthinkable.
It is quite a bit more plastic than the Renegade box and it contains full rules for the game.
I do agree that the rumoured price is pretty expensive. With the kind of discounts that independent shops provide, it will probably come in at about $240, which is still a lot of money.
It seems that specialist games are limiting themselves to about a 25% discount over individual prices, (bloodbowl and Necromunda are both at about this level of discount) while the Citadel starter sets are usually about a 50% discount.
Assuming the individual prices are as I said a 50% would put the price at $190 which would be a much more palatable price for the big box.
I think if it clears $200 it's going to be a hard sell to get a community going on it. That sends a message that the actual titans are going to be priced insane. And this is after they just released the two arminger boxset for $75 which was a solid price point. I'm hoping we're looking at this spread for maximum pricing;
I feel much higher than that and there will be zero momentum on this. Then I could see this being a $195 price point. I think clearing $200 is a mistake for it but if it can still be gotten at a discount under $200 then it could still work (i.e. around $235).
I don't mind the price, what boggle my mind is GW's decision to not include any weapons option for launch day kit. Who thought this was a good idea? If cost was an issue then reduce the scale.
Chopstick wrote: I don't mind the price, what boggle my mind is GW's decision to not include any weapons option for launch day kit. Who thought this was a good idea? If cost was an issue then reduce the scale.
The scale was chosen to futuer proof the models for IF epic ever bacsme a thing again. (8mm high is the size they said different marks of astartes armor could still look different. It makes me hopeful that regular humans are around 6 mm tall)
JWBS wrote: Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.
Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.
JWBS wrote: Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.
Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.
So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.
USD $180 is pretty much my limit - and with that being something I'd have to pick up as a Christmas present to myself or somesuch.
I've got enough talent to make my own terrain, so whatever the price, I think I'll be skipping the GM box and just picking up the rules (mayhaps digitally this time around, if they're cheaper than a printed copy) a Warlord, couple of Reavers and few Warhounds as they come out. I'll only plan to get the Knights if they turn out to be larger than SM figures - around Dreadnought size or bigger. Spreading out the purchases should help reduce the strain on my wallet as well.
10 am local time on Saturday for your region’s server.
Unless you meant for AT specifically; then no announcement has been made, but it’s almost certainly after Warhammer Fest Europe on the 18th-19th. And the 25th is the last weekend in August so then, probably. Which is great; pay day weekend!
If pre orders went live on the 25th then it technically wouldn't release in august as the following sat is the 1st of september. They specifically said numerous times it would be 100% out during the month of august, so i'm thinking pre orders on the 18th. Or pre orders on the 11th next weekend and a 2 week period afterwards before it releases which they sometimes do for big box releases.
JWBS wrote: Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.
Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.
So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.
The terrain is plastic. The command terminals are cardstock and there is a bunch of those in the set, which take money in the same sense that a properly made boardgame costs money.
schoon wrote: There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.
The rumors have been all over the map.
But I want to tell everyone about how if the game is over a certain amount then I won't be buying it. I'm sure they're all super excited to know about my spending habits and I wouldn't want to leave them hanging.
schoon wrote: There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.
The rumors have been all over the map.
But I want to tell everyone about how if the game is over a certain amount then I won't be buying it. I'm sure they're all super excited to know about my spending habits and I wouldn't want to leave them hanging.
but how do we know that is true! Once out - once released your current bold stance might waver; your resolve weaken and before you know it you're buying two!
JWBS wrote: Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.
Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.
So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.
The economics of card vs. plastic scale differently. Plastic gets cheaper as you make more, cardstock doesn't especially. If you're expecting low volume then cardstock makes sense.
My point about the cardstock is ignoring it to count sprues will lead to very wonky result as it is a non-trivial component of the cost.
I'm curious to see if the titan models come with command tiles or if you buy those separately? If they come in the box then it'll be a fairly significant price bump for people that just want the models.
schoon wrote: There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.
The rumors have been all over the map.
But I want to tell everyone about how if the game is over a certain amount then I won't be buying it. I'm sure they're all super excited to know about my spending habits and I wouldn't want to leave them hanging.
but how do we know that is true! Once out - once released your current bold stance might waver; your resolve weaken and before you know it you're buying two!
Just recall a certain prominent dakkadakka member who spent a year gakking up every 40K thread with how he was boycotting GW whilst continuing to buy everything new that came out...
JWBS wrote: Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?
The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.
Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.
So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.
The economics of card vs. plastic scale differently. Plastic gets cheaper as you make more, cardstock doesn't especially. If you're expecting low volume then cardstock makes sense.
My point about the cardstock is ignoring it to count sprues will lead to very wonky result as it is a non-trivial component of the cost.
I'm curious to see if the titan models come with command tiles or if you buy those separately? If they come in the box then it'll be a fairly significant price bump for people that just want the models.
We already know the terminal packs will be sold separately; the GM box just happens to have two for each major Titan class.
Nopes no one in particular - but its very common that a high (or guessed at high) release price on a new product can put the wind up a lot of people and they put up a lot of justification for why they won't or cant afford it.
Then once its out and a few weeks down the line or months or even hours for some; their opinion changes. The product is no longer a maybe but a certain real thing.
I like the Industrial Sector Buildings. They remind me of the original foam office blocks that came with Adeptus Titanicus.
Are you saying these are the right scale for AT?
I suppose with every edge being 50mm then... one of the new Knight models would be able to see over 1 'cube' but not 2 stacked?
Yes, I'm quite sure they'd be an appropriate scale for AT.
Just judging by eye, one level would block LOS for a Knight, two levels would block a Warhound/Reaver (and maybe a Warlord's arms? Is that kind of partial blocking in the rules?), and three levels would block a warlord entirely.
We already know the terminal packs will be sold separately; the GM box just happens to have two for each major Titan class.
We know that you can buy them separately but do we know that they don't also come with models? Given that the terminal packs are online only that would seem a little weird.
Hulksmash wrote: I think if it clears $200 it's going to be a hard sell to get a community going on it. That sends a message that the actual titans are going to be priced insane. And this is after they just released the two arminger boxset for $75 which was a solid price point. I'm hoping we're looking at this spread for maximum pricing;
I feel much higher than that and there will be zero momentum on this. Then I could see this being a $195 price point. I think clearing $200 is a mistake for it but if it can still be gotten at a discount under $200 then it could still work (i.e. around $235).
Excessive. Knights are only as big as regular 28mm sale Marines, so for 10 I would expect to pay £18. For two Warhounds or one Reaver £30 and for a Warlord £40 to £50. Its got to be reasonably priced or it will not be worth buying into.
Excessive. Knights are only as big as regular 28mm sale Marines, so for 10 I would expect to pay £18. For two Warhounds or one Reaver £30 and for a Warlord £40 to £50. Its got to be reasonably priced or it will not be worth buying into.
I fully expect them to cost exactly the same as Custodes Terminators. $50 US or 30 Pounds. Not saying I think its a good price. Just saying that is my expectation.
The knights are a whopping 21 bits per model though, so vastly more detailed than a regular marine. Also, more the size of a Terminator, and at least as wide as one.
There are likely to be six in a box. They might go as low as 25£, but I would be (happily) surprised to see them go lower. More likely price point is 30-35£, given the design time and level of detail.
To all those balking at the suspected price of the "big box", remember that you don't have to buy that.
The models and card/rules will be available as separate packages. Don't need something in the big box then buying individual bits will be the more cost effective way to go.
You can also cut out the expensive GW terrain and buy cheap-o stuff from a model railroad seller if you want. N-Gauge seems to be the closest and it's really common so there's that.
I'm not white knighting for GW here, I'm just saying there are alternatives to deciding whether to buy plastic toys or make your car payment.
Breotan wrote: To all those balking at the suspected price of the "big box", remember that you don't have to buy that.
The models and card/rules will be available as separate packages. Don't need something in the big box then buying individual bits will be the more cost effective way to go.
You can also cut out the expensive GW terrain and buy cheap-o stuff from a model railroad seller if you want. N-Gauge seems to be the closest and it's really common so there's that.
I'm not white knighting for GW here, I'm just saying there are alternatives to deciding whether to buy plastic toys or make your car payment.
All good points. Still disappointed that the initial outlay expense may mean a DoA game. I was one of the many who would have gladly laid down the $180-$195 that was the initial estimated cost, but if the $280 price point is closer to being accurate. I'll probably end up purchasing perhaps a single Warlord/Reaver/Warhound for use with my Net Epic army and that'll be it.
It is interesting to note that even at the conjectured price point of $80/warlord, that's still FAR cheaper than the forumware Warlord that is floating around in certain places.
For me it's that the big box gives us a likely price point for the individual models. And if the box is nuts then the individual models will be nuts and it'll be hard to build a community.
Breotan wrote: To all those balking at the suspected price of the "big box", remember that you don't have to buy that.
The models and card/rules will be available as separate packages. Don't need something in the big box then buying individual bits will be the more cost effective way to go.
You can also cut out the expensive GW terrain and buy cheap-o stuff from a model railroad seller if you want. N-Gauge seems to be the closest and it's really common so there's that.
I'm not white knighting for GW here, I'm just saying there are alternatives to deciding whether to buy plastic toys or make your car payment.
Right. If you don’t like the prices, you don’t like the prices.
But the big box isn’t a must. In fact, it probably doesn’t make sense for a lot of people given that Reavers and Warhounds will make up the bulk of most maniples. It’s more of a split-the-box-with-a-friend proposition, or for people who know they want to collect two legios.
The mere fact that preorder is 7 days away and no prices have been mentioned is a big red flag imo.
Agreed.
I think most of us wavering depending on Price are assuming the Big Box will also incorporate a decent discount on its contents over purchasing them separately. So saying just pick up the individual components we want isn't really the point. Its not that I can't spend $300. Its that if that is the price point of that box, then the corresponding price points for the individual components will also make them undesirable.
I think we all need to take a deep breath and calm down. We don't know the prices yet.
I don't believe anyone is panicking, or claiming the sky is falling. Just that there seems to be no pricing info, meaning GW is keeping quieter than usual on prices. That as someone else said before is a red flag, nothing more nothing less. Do we all hope it is much more affordable than some expectations, yes. Will we be surprised if its higher, no.
Mysterio wrote: Wouldn't shock me if it will be 3 Knights to a box, unfortunately!
Well it's been known since the FW Open day that this is how they will sell them...….
Remember, Soul Wars had no WD pricing and the best we got before a leak was it'll be similar to Dark Imperium....and it was the same.
Anyone saying this box can launch the game at $280/£180 is going to get a big shock if that happens. For a lot of people, myself and my friends included, the starter box is a good buy in to a system, you get a bunch of stuff - it might not always be all useful or used long term - at a decent discount which then justifies further purchases.
From WD article and Twitch on Thursday I think this game is going to be awesome but if barely anyone is playing then ….. why bother ?
My guess is we will get a leak on price monday/tuesday and a Warhammer Community article on Sunday, all ahead of the preorder 11th August.
Justyn wrote: Just that there seems to be no pricing info, meaning GW is keeping quieter than usual on prices. That as someone else said before is a red flag, nothing more nothing less.
The only difference from normal is that prices aren't in WD. That means that GW had not yet decided what they wanted the final prices for this new range should be when this issue went to print back in April/May. The most likely explanation is that they were unsure on the sales forecasts and initial production batch sizes (or if there would be enough capacity to cover the production needed). These are much bigger factors in pricing than raw materials for GW.
However we should see product details go to 3rd-party retailers from this Monday, so not long to wait now.
The reason people are concerned about the big-box pricetag is that it is what people will see in most stores. Even if everyone goes and buys the smaller rules box, etc...the "public face" of the game is whether or not those large starter boxes linger on shelves of retailers. If the "main" box lingers and doesn't sell, it's just a bad sign for the product.
Realistically with the heaps of 3rd party Epic/Titans stuff out there it's completely feasible people could use old or 3rd party models and download the rules off an illegal PDF, etc. Unfortunately GW needs to produce great looking models (which they have), and sell them at a price where people will buy in and not just say "piss off, I'll stick to my old toys".
The diehard fans will buy in regardless, but GW needs to win the people who are on the fence.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only, they also said the GM box is a "1 and done job" ie no reprint. The reason they gave for the stores not getting any is that there will be so little stock that they could only get 1 copy per store, which could lead to scuffles over who buys it! i completely forgot to ask about the price i did ask about the release date but they didnt know(or willing to say, they do give normally me a heads up on interesting dates for store, ie Eisienhorn etc) the release date.
Now i run some numbers on the 20,000 copies worldwide rumour, according to the recently released GW profits there are 23 countries that they operate in with 489(iirc) stores, so...
20,000 ~ 23 = 869.56
If going by max copies possible per store and none online, there are 489 stores worldwide,
20,000 ~ 489 = 40.89
869 copies per country or 40 copies per store doesnt seem that many to me for a massive hyped up game, admittedly the prices will be available separately and some of those countries and stores have a smaller share of the market and will get less copies than countries and stores with a bigger market share.
I just hope its not going to be another "Armageddon" release that ran out in minutes iirc.
Remember this is not technically a starter set more of a boxed bundle.
There was no initial intention to make a starter set it was going to be a box with the rules and some buildings and the Titans separate.
It was only after people kicked up a fuss that a box set was planned.
I think if it is £150 we will be very lucky but more is possible.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Remember this is not technically a starter set more of a boxed bundle.
There was no initial intention to make a starter set it was going to be a box with the rules and some buildings and the Titans separate.
It was only after people kicked up a fuss that a box set was planned.
I think if it is £150 we will be very lucky but more is possible.
Original Timmy wrote: Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...
Original Timmy wrote: Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...
Wasn't this rumor already debunked?
Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.
I was never in a gaming club, and had no access to sales info, but whenever I watched or participated in an in-store game, it was 40k, WFB, Necro, BB, and very rarely, Epic. I suspected it was partly because of the minis (some were too large, and very many were too small, for a beginner to get to grips with - much easier to paint a marine than a Gargant or a stand of 8mm Infantry), and partly because of the rules. 40k, WFB, Necro, Mordheim, they all had certain commonalities. Epic seemed to be something different entirely.
Original Timmy wrote: Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...
Wasn't this rumor already debunked?
Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers
If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/
Original Timmy wrote: Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...
Wasn't this rumor already debunked?
Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers
If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/
It turns out “provably not an idiot” isn’t actually on the list of qualifications for GW store staff so they are just as prone to variations in that quality as the general population.
Also, people are extremely bad at listening – inserting their own inventions to cover bits they misheard or didn’t understand, rather than seeking clarification – and repeat what they think they heard rather than what they were actually told. Did you ever play “Chinese whispers” in school?
Original Timmy wrote: Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...
Wasn't this rumor already debunked?
Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers
If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/
It turns out “provably not an idiot” isn’t actually on the list of qualifications for GW store staff so they are just as prone to variations in that quality as the general population.
Also, people are extremely bad at listening – inserting their own inventions to cover bits they misheard or didn’t understand, rather than seeking clarification – and repeat what they think they heard rather than what they were actually told. Did you ever play “Chinese whispers” in school?
Yeah i get what your saying, well its their loss if they are telling customers that!
Original Timmy wrote: Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...
Wasn't this rumor already debunked?
Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers
If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/
Yet another reminder that GW store staff have no inside knowledge on upcoming releases and tend to be as useful as BoLS when they claim to.
Looking over at the Bolter and Chainsword it seems that multiple GW store managers have said they won't have any copies due to the high price and shelf space, although one said they would. So it seems that this might vary from store to store.
Cyrixiinus wrote: Looking over at the Bolter and Chainsword it seems that multiple GW store managers have said they won't have any copies due to the high price and shelf space, although one said they would. So it seems that this might vary from store to store.
I don't believe GW store employees actually get to make any calls about what they stock and keep on their shelves, and they're notoriously unreliable for rumors...
I was also told yesterday by GW staff that the store wouldn't be getting any stock. And that pre-orders go up on the site on 11th August.
The other news was the Grand Master Edition big box would be a very limited run (like Space Hulk was) so basically be on the GW site 10am next Saturday or you'll lose out
Sounds like that could all be a load of BS, I don't really know. Just thought I'd share was I was told
I'm sure GW store managers get some say in what they do and don't stock at least with regard to serving their local customerbase; however I do agree that they likely don't make the full call on everything and are required to keep a representative amount of all the GW lines on their shelves.
That said they've only X amount of space and they already only stock 100% GW stock so its not as if they are juggling other brands.
There might also be some store variation at the international level. The UK stores might be getting different stock into to other territories; plus it might just be that GW is only rolling it out to select stores - eg potentaillly stores that show high turn-over of high value purchases in their history (ergo stores that show they've got customers who can and will pay hundreds at a time for purchases )
I find all these rumours very strange. In white dwarf there is a picture of command terminal packs, and weapon card pack. Each of these has a little Web exclusive sticker in the corner. The picture of the grand master edition does not have this sticker. In the recent interview on warhammer live Andy Hoare said the terminal packs would be Web exclusive but also made no mention of the grand master edition being Web exclusive.
It is possible that managers of smaller stores are being given the choice of whether to carry it or not. My local store is basically a large cupboard.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.
I agree. Space Marine aka Epic nowadays was the craze in the 90s. Much more popular than 40K. You could field Titans, whole companies of tanks & infantry and even flyers. Imo it was the best time for GW wargaming.
It wasn't just GW - there were lots more anime and films and kids tv shows and toys all focused around wargames. Epic let you play big battles and wars!
This was back when most RTS computer games were either not invented yet or were for rich geeks or they only let you have a tiny army.
So Epic was the big thing you got tanks and titans and all the imagination of huge epic battles!
Chikout wrote: I find all these rumours very strange. In white dwarf there is a picture of command terminal packs, and weapon card pack. Each of these has a little Web exclusive sticker in the corner. The picture of the grand master edition does not have this sticker. In the recent interview on warhammer live Andy Hoare said the terminal packs would be Web exclusive but also made no mention of the grand master edition being Web exclusive.
It is possible that managers of smaller stores are being given the choice of whether to carry it or not. My local store is basically a large cupboard.
The managers haven't really been told anything yet, it wasn't really covered all that mucg at this weeks meeting at HQ.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.
Definitely. You have to remember that for most of the life of Epic 1st & 2nd edition, 40K was still on 1st edition, which was a very, very different beast from the 40K of today, and was a mish-mash of rules & pretty tricky to play. So for most people Epic was *the* game to play in the 40K universe, it was definitely much more popular than "full" 40K. All that changed with 40k 2nd edition and Epic 3rd edition
Chikout wrote: I find all these rumours very strange. In white dwarf there is a picture of command terminal packs, and weapon card pack. Each of these has a little Web exclusive sticker in the corner. The picture of the grand master edition does not have this sticker. In the recent interview on warhammer live Andy Hoare said the terminal packs would be Web exclusive but also made no mention of the grand master edition being Web exclusive.
It is possible that managers of smaller stores are being given the choice of whether to carry it or not. My local store is basically a large cupboard.
The managers haven't really been told anything yet, it wasn't really covered all that mucg at this weeks meeting at HQ.
.. officially anyway .
Briefing pack and order info is to follow.
Well, that little blurb could be read in a really bad way, or could mean nothing.
The whole handling of this has been baffling tbh, if they've known for a long time that this is going to be an expensive, limited product then surely the rational thing to do is settle on a price and let people know well in advance so they can put money aside. It's not like we're talking about "impulse buy" levels of cash here. As it stands I've gone from being hyped for this and having money put aside to wondering if I'll be buying in at all because of the lack of concrete pricing info.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
When epic was 3rd main game there weren't other specialist games. It lost sales with 3rd ed which drove off fans.
Also epic armageddon outsold expectations by hundreds of percents despite lousy pricing system
I find the timing strange too. I mean Kill Team was a big release with a lot of hype and coverage in the mainstream gaming press etc, etc. Now only weeks later we have this.
They could waited for a bigger gap in their release schedule
JoyrexJ9 wrote: I find the timing strange too. I mean Kill Team was a big release with a lot of hype and coverage in the mainstream gaming press etc, etc. Now only weeks later we have this.
They could waited for a bigger gap in their release schedule
Perhaps there isn't one? It's been nearly 3 months since the last 40k codex, and we know at least two more are coming 'soon'. There are confirmations & rumours for a lot of stuff coming out between now and the end of this year.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: I find the timing strange too. I mean Kill Team was a big release with a lot of hype and coverage in the mainstream gaming press etc, etc. Now only weeks later we have this.
They could waited for a bigger gap in their release schedule
Does seem a bit odd, the smarter thing to do would have been to hold off on this release put out space wovles and Orks in codex format, and put AT out in november or so as a "christmas item"
It's a good time to release, they e says on warhammer tv if it sold out on launch it'll be back in a couple of months (the GME). So launch now, gauge demand, resupply fir the holiday season using the sales data. Better than launching in November and getting it wrong with no economical way to get more copies before 2019.
Plus they know a good core of customers will buy it, so this puts it in front of people ready for the holiday period and into gift lists etc
I'm pretty certain we will get a warhammer community article today and it was stated on WTV that would be how they'd unveil pricing.
Keep dropping in to this thread to have a look, am on the fence at the moment for this one.
Always liked titans but does anyone have any idea how far they are going to expand this range, i mean can we expect armour support and flyers to be released as for me the novelty of titans could wear out quickly.
Sorry it it’s been posted/answered before but would love to see armoured columns along side the titans.
xKillGorex wrote: Keep dropping in to this thread to have a look, am on the fence at the moment for this one.
Always liked titans but does anyone have any idea how far they are going to expand this range, i mean can we expect armour support and flyers to be released as for me the novelty of titans could wear out quickly.
Sorry it it’s been posted/answered before but would love to see armoured columns along side the titans.
Not for a while. They will be doing a reaver, a warhound, some plastic weapon options, probably a few more knights and the scenery we have seen including the awesome train. They have talked about expanding the game out to include other vehicles or xenos titans if it is successful, but Andy Hoare said that would be years later.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.
Definitely. You have to remember that for most of the life of Epic 1st & 2nd edition, 40K was still on 1st edition, which was a very, very different beast from the 40K of today, and was a mish-mash of rules & pretty tricky to play. So for most people Epic was *the* game to play in the 40K universe, it was definitely much more popular than "full" 40K. All that changed with 40k 2nd edition and Epic 3rd edition
You sure about that? I seem to remember Epic being around mainly when chainswords had parry and you'd give your assault marines little hand flamers and swords / fist combos (this guy was MVP http://chaptermasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/img_9991.jpg ). That'ss gotta be second edition right? A fair bit after Rogue Trader. But I'm not entirely sure. It was just "40K" as far as I was concerned
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
When epic was 3rd main game there weren't other specialist games. It lost sales with 3rd ed which drove off fans.
Also epic armageddon outsold expectations by hundreds of percents despite lousy pricing system
Maybe I'm getting confused with the names. Space marine, Epic, Titanicus. But where I am they were definitely playing 8mm scale games whilst the Specialist systems were in their ascendancy.
2nd edition 40k was 1993 to 1998. 2nd edition Epic ran from 1991 to 1997.
It overlapped a lot of other specialist games (although they weren't called that at the time) - including Necromunda, Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest. Epic was unique among them in that it received pretty much constant new releases up until it's 3rd edition, unlike most of those other games which often had under a year's worth of extra content following them.
My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.
And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.
back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.
Definitely. You have to remember that for most of the life of Epic 1st & 2nd edition, 40K was still on 1st edition, which was a very, very different beast from the 40K of today, and was a mish-mash of rules & pretty tricky to play. So for most people Epic was *the* game to play in the 40K universe, it was definitely much more popular than "full" 40K. All that changed with 40k 2nd edition and Epic 3rd edition
You sure about that? I seem to remember Epic being around mainly when chainswords had parry and you'd give your assault marines little hand flamers and swords / fist combos (this guy was MVP http://chaptermasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/img_9991.jpg ). That'ss gotta be second edition right? A fair bit after Rogue Trader. But I'm not entirely sure. It was just "40K" as far as I was concerned
1st edition Epic (aka Space Marine) came out in 1988, and 2nd edition 1991
40K didn't get a 2nd edition until 1993. So for two or three years it was all about Space Marine/Epic
xttz wrote: 2nd edition 40k was 1993 to 1998. 2nd edition Epic ran from 1991 to 1997.
It overlapped a lot of other specialist games (although they weren't called that at the time) - including Necromunda, Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest. Epic was unique among them in that it received pretty much constant new releases up until it's 3rd edition, unlike most of those other games which often had under a year's worth of extra content following them.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't call SH and WHQ Specialist games (though as I've proven many times in this thread I'm old and my memories are corrupted).
On the whole "limited edition" Grandmaster Edition thing: Andy specifically said on the recent livestream that this is in part because they've never done a box set of this scale before, so they weren't sure how many copies to print. Once they see how well it's selling and how popular it is, they'll be able to print more copies, which means that the GME may be unavailable for a short period during that time.
He also stated when asked about vehicles and infantry that "many, many years down the line we could possibly expand the game to include these". Take that how you will, but to me it sounds like they currently have no plans to expand beyond Titans, but that they may be open to the possibility. I never played the original Epic, so personally I'm more than fine with it just being Titans of various sorts.
What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.
In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.
Elbows wrote: What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.
In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.
Well they have a hell of a lot of man hours in this I mean the lead designer left GW over 1 or 2 years ago after having worked on it for 18-24mths that's normally the time scale for major edition change of one of the core 2 systems.
The amount of plastic in the box set is also more than you would usually see in one of the core starters and would have tied up a significant production capacity.
Then there is a significant chunk of card board and a full ruleset included.
Basicly it would appear that this new ruleset is getting the push a major edition change for 40k would get, which is unheard of since GW's early days.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.
At least you can try that day, im stuck at a festival and not sure i can get internet signal until the Monday, last year when at the festival i missed FW open day and this year its looking like ATGM box :(
GoatboyBeta wrote: Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.
They clarified on Facebook that only the coins are limited to 1000, and that "The Grand Master edition will be part of our range of products, ...so will be available for some time."
edit: "This will be available both online and in Games Workshop and Warhammer stores, Edward, as well as independent stockists."
Mr. Grey wrote: On the whole "limited edition" Grandmaster Edition thing: Andy specifically said on the recent livestream that this is in part because they've never done a box set of this scale before, so they weren't sure how many copies to print. Once they see how well it's selling and how popular it is, they'll be able to print more copies, which means that the GME may be unavailable for a short period during that time.
Mmmm. Knight Renegade is literally unobtainable from third party retailers at this time (barely a month or two after release) and that was so obviously going to sell in spades, so IDK if that rings true. Yeah, he's saying this might be limited because it might under-sell. But a boxed set that was so clearly going to over-sell was also (effectively) limited. I'm not saying he's disingenuous, but I don't understand the GW logic the. But that's often the case :s
GoatboyBeta wrote: Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.
At least you can try that day, im stuck at a festival and not sure i can get internet signal until the Monday, last year when at the festival i missed FW open day and this year its looking like ATGM box :(
And still no effing price!!!
I shall be playing a tiny violin for you whilst you (hopefully) have a great time at your festival
The coins are what made me doubt the whole thing. It's not like GW did not do limited super-special editions in the past, far from it, but trying to bait sales with some low cost item that sounds like it was added in literally last seconds before launch? It feels like they are not sure it will sell for some really good reason, especially the whole info blackout, and are trying everything to avoid a flop...
Renegade is knocking on for a couple of years old.
I'd suggest they made a bunch to support the Knight Codex release, but as their production bottleneck is still ongoing it isn't a regular item on the schedule and won't be until their new space and machines are online.
Consequently I don't think it's a fair comparison to the launch of a new product which GW may be giving "new edition" levels of marketing.
Remember big boxed sets means a lot of money tied up in those boxes. It's not just production, but storage, shipping display, distribution etc.. All the costs go up as the box goes up in size and content. Plus there's not just all those costs but the expected and predicted profit and income to be generated by those sales within X amount of time.
Limiting the initial print run to a manageable figure means if it does badly GW isn't sitting there vastly out of pocket over the experience; with stock that is costing them every day to store and that isn't selling fast enough to cover those costs; it means they are not left with a failed launch.
Instead if the limit runs out they know to print more. Remember people can be all "I'll get a thousand!" before the release date; but until they actually spend their money you don't know what the public reaction will be.
IT might be that GW ends up hardly selling any and everyone gets individual boxes; if could be that they sell like hotcakes; or that only the boxed set sells or even that the entire range just fails to sell in suitable quantities.
Even in this thread many have said that if its over X price they won't get it - or at least means that they will need more marketing and convincing before they might purchase it
Asides which any production requires some variables and limits on the quantity. So there was always going to be a limited number made; esp right now when GW needs more production to meed demand.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.
They clarified on Facebook that only the coins are limited to 1000, and that "The Grand Master edition will be part of our range of products, ...so will be available for some time."
edit: "This will be available both online and in Games Workshop and Warhammer stores, Edward, as well as independent stockists."
Thats pretty much what i was told at gw (Highgate in burnaby bc canada) that AT will be fully supported in store and it would be like blood bowl with leagues etc etc. He did say they would be getting in GME in store but he wouldn't say how many.
He didn't know me from a hole in the wall I just popped in to get the WD because it had AT in it.
Azreal13 wrote: Renegade is knocking on for a couple of years old.
I'd suggest they made a bunch to support the Knight Codex release, but as their production bottleneck is still ongoing it isn't a regular item on the schedule and won't be until their new space and machines are online.
Consequently I don't think it's a fair comparison to the launch of a new product which GW may be giving "new edition" levels of marketing.
Nah man, Renegade fro 2016 was entirely different. Knights weren't a thing, as far as armies go, and did it even include the warden sprue? It probably did. But it wasn't the same (I'll qualify my statement again - I've not been following the 40k scene for literally years, it's just this resurgence of titans and huge mechs that has brought me back. You may well be right, but from my perspective, they really screwed us on the latest KR release. I was intending to buy it, a month or two, after having been convinced that it was staying around for a good while. But now I'm having to buy individual Knights to convert into Wardens etc because the box is as rare as hen's teeth - just a half dozen weeks after release).
Azreal13 wrote: Renegade is knocking on for a couple of years old.
I'd suggest they made a bunch to support the Knight Codex release, but as their production bottleneck is still ongoing it isn't a regular item on the schedule and won't be until their new space and machines are online.
Consequently I don't think it's a fair comparison to the launch of a new product which GW may be giving "new edition" levels of marketing.
Nah man, Renegade fro 2016 was entirely different. Knights weren't a thing, as far as armies go, and did it even include the warden sprue? It probably did. But it wasn't the same (I'll qualify my statement again - I've not been following the 40k scene for literally years, it's just this resurgence of titans and huge mechs that has brought me back. You may well be right, but from my perspective, they really screwed us on the latest KR release. I was intending to buy it, a month or two, after having been convinced that it was staying around for a good while. But now I'm having to buy individual Knights to convert into Wardens etc because the box is as rare as hen's teeth - just a half dozen weeks after release).
Just different terrain sprue AFAIK. Knights were very much a thing, they've had a Codex since there was only one kit.
This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?
Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.
They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.
Crimson the knights likely won't have their own micro sheet. The Warlords will and that's where the micro comes in, which is why you have so few of them in a standard game. Indeed its why even one Warlord can still be a good starting point (same as how a getting started box set might only be 500points of models - it gets you started with a viable force; but its not the 2K standard most aim for).
So on that score 3-7 means that its a nice starting point to get at least one or two warlords (depending if you split or keep the whole box).
Knights and similar smaller mechs won't have the same level of micro control because not only would it choke the fun of the game in too much detail; but because they are not likely to survive a big round of shooting from a Titan. They are designed to fight each other whilst dodging and hiding from the titanic weapons and then deliver a killing blow or a distraction from a flank; or to secure objectives etc....
Reavers I'd expect to get their own table of stats; Warhounds I don't know they could go either way.
Armigers "might" make it in, but I think by smaller they were meaning things like baneblades, lemon russ tanks and the rest- ergo they are really not thinking of making tanks troops, plans etc... This is a Titan game for Titans and Knights!
I can't wait to get my hands on this. The plasma reactor rules especially could make for interesting late game. Balancing risk and reward with an ailing warlord!
Crimson wrote: This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?
Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.
They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.
Maybe so but given what we know and the level of micro managing I suspect a 1 v 1 match will be a legit quick game. the equivilant of a 40k 500 point game, with the 3 to 7 titans being the equivilant of a 1500-2000 point game.
One thing intreasting is they give us 8 command terminals but only 4 units. so "room to grow" at least
Elbows wrote: What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.
In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.
Looking at the built contents, it certainly doesn't seem like a massive amount of stuff, but it's deceptive... you have to factor in the not-quite-40K-Knight-sized Warlords, and the buildings appear to be a lot of sprues for very little end content. It's certainly much more plastic than any of their previous starters, but most of that is tied up in those tiny little buildings.
Elbows wrote: What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.
In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.
Looking at the built contents, it certainly doesn't seem like a massive amount of stuff, but it's deceptive... you have to factor in the not-quite-40K-Knight-sized Warlords, and the buildings appear to be a lot of sprues for very little end content. It's certainly much more plastic than any of their previous starters, but most of that is tied up in those tiny little buildings.
yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff
Chopstick wrote: I reckon those 3 pack knights will be 30US$, they could easily made a 6 pack knight and sold for 35/40US$ like Blood Bowl/Necromunda.
I hope you're right, but I can see them trying 3 for $40 or even $50.
I could see them doing that cause it's GW, but for one sprue that seems like a lot. $35 would be ideal but who knows it could be 40. 50 would be straight up absurd though.
I know they said they would rather do more small titan variants instead of putting resources into an imperator. But at this scale this game is about the only realistic chance we have of ever getting a plastic imperator...so I say they should really consider it cause that would be an amazing centerpiece model, just crazy. Cerastus knights are also a good idea as well.
Crimson wrote: This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?
Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.
They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.
I do think it's a bit weird - It's like they've packaged an Ork dreadnought and a unit of Grots, x2. Obviously they're restricted somewhat - they can't give us two warlords, two reavers, four warhounds and a few sprues of knights, that's going too far. And they want enough minis so that two people can each have their own army. I thin maybe one warlord, two reavers, and two knight detatchments would have been nicer, but maybe that would have been too imbalanced?
yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff
Model railway stuff tends to be insanely expensive. I bet GW terrain will be cheaper.
could be, especially as you'll have to look hard for stuff that would fit. most model train buildings seem to be more "1950s Americania" not really the 40k gothic vibe.
yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff
Model railway stuff tends to be insanely expensive. I bet GW terrain will be cheaper.
could be, especially as you'll have to look hard for stuff that would fit. most model train buildings seem to be more "1950s Americania" not really the 40k gothic vibe.
Whenever anyone mentions model railways in this thread I keep thinking back to the big railway set my Dad made me for one of my birthdays as a youngster. Either that, or the scene in Sopranos where Bobby Bacala gets clipped in the railway store and falls onto the tracks. A great scene (among many) - all the little railway people covering their mouths and eyes as Bobby dies.
Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..
The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.
I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!
Garukadon wrote: Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..
The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.
I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!
you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games
Garukadon wrote: Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..
The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.
I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!
you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games
I am hoping the new BattleTech mechs are in scale with the New Adeptus Titanicus ones
Garukadon wrote: Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..
The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.
I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!
you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games
I am hoping the new BattleTech mechs are in scale with the New Adeptus Titanicus ones
they shooould be roughly on scale. I've got some battletech minis at home come AT release day I'll haul one in and make a comparison with a knight
Garukadon wrote: Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..
The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.
I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!
you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games
They're all Knights though! Even the Avatar, Zeus, Atlas. still little guys
Crimson wrote: This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?
Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.
They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.
Maybe so but given what we know and the level of micro managing I suspect a 1 v 1 match will be a legit quick game. the equivilant of a 40k 500 point game, with the 3 to 7 titans being the equivilant of a 1500-2000 point game.
One thing intreasting is they give us 8 command terminals but only 4 units. so "room to grow" at least
Yep, 1 vs 1 is a perfectly cromulent game. Played quite a few during testing. We were working on the assumption that a Warlord would be a pricey FW resin kit, so we wanted to make sure there was plenty of bang for your buck even if you could only afford a single Warlord each. Don't get me wrong, the game is significantly more interesting with a full maniple with Knight support on each side, but in a one on one game you've still got a number of tactical decisions to make.
So who wants to bet which Knights are next up? My money is on Cerastus, although I'd really like to get a tiny Porphyrion as I'll never own the 28mm version...
xttz wrote: So who wants to bet which Knights are next up? My money is on Cerastus, although I'd really like to get a tiny Porphyrion as I'll never own the 28mm version...
My gut feeling is they'll do the plastic GW knights first. So I'm going to call it as a 2 pack of dominus, 1 vallent one castellian.
xttz wrote: So who wants to bet which Knights are next up? My money is on Cerastus, although I'd really like to get a tiny Porphyrion as I'll never own the 28mm version...
My gut feeling is they'll do the plastic GW knights first. So I'm going to call it as a 2 pack of dominus, 1 vallent one castellian.
I'd like to see some of the classics. That one with the claw and melta (That was known as an Errant back then but I guess they'll ret-con it). Or the big gun guy https://www.cargad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/screenshot-26022014-1150.jpeg (I guess this would be called the Acastus now). But the lancer or anything else would be great. New Knights = win win.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's some nice pics of classic Knights, and the ir nomenclatures for anyone that's unfamiliar
There was a knight with a rocket launcher on the top of its armor in the twitch game. I know for sure this bit isn't on the sprues so I hope they slip that on an upgrade sprue fairly soon. There are also a couple knight heads/masks i'd like to see that didn't make it onto the sprue.
xttz wrote: Those Knights were called Castellan and Crusader, they've already been re-done.
There's a thermal cannon in the Questoris kit, and I think they said we'd get a thunderstrike guantlet later. That's enough for an old school Errant.
Sure, but the new Castellan bares not much of a resemblance to the old one (gatling gun and claw, vs big gun + another big gun). I'm sure the pattern will continue. They stared making 40k Knights years before they considered a resurgence of Epic Knights, so the names are all up in the air at this point. Edit/ - I'm thinking of the Warden. Which didn't exist back then? Or did? Still my point remains, I hope we will get plenty of new and old configurations, regardless of name designations.
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Thargrim wrote: There was a knight with a rocket launcher on the top of its armor in the twitch game. I know for sure this bit isn't on the sprues so I hope they slip that on an upgrade sprue fairly soon. There are also a couple knight heads/masks i'd like to see that didn't make it onto the sprue.
Is there a VOD of this? Much appreciated if you can link one, I'd like to see it.
I'm not a twitch subscriber so I can't access it anymore, but it's very visible here:
Spoiler:
I think they actually spoke about it but I missed what they said aside from it wouldn't fit on the sprue. And the thing is the missile launcher is already on the knight command terminal, so it's built into the 3 knight unit already but we won't have the bit for it at launch.
Thargrim wrote: I'm not a twitch subscriber so I can't access it anymore, but it's very visible here:
Spoiler:
I think they actually spoke about it but I missed what they said aside from it wouldn't fit on the sprue. And the thing is the missile launcher is already on the knight command terminal, so it's built into the 3 knight unit already but we won't have the bit for it at launch.
Love the fact that they've thrown a 28mm Knight in there, for whatever reason (scaling I presume). I've just bought a couple of Knights in preparation for AT. I haven't been this excited about plastic toy robots for literally decades!
JWBS wrote: I'm thinking of the Warden. Which didn't exist back then? Or did? Still my point remains, I hope we will get plenty of new and old configurations, regardless of name designations
The original Epic Knight Warden was the adorable beetle like one, which was my favorite design, so I hope they bring that back whatever they name it.
JWBS wrote: I'm thinking of the Warden. Which didn't exist back then? Or did? Still my point remains, I hope we will get plenty of new and old configurations, regardless of name designations
The original Epic Knight Warden was the adorable beetle like one, which was my favorite design, so I hope they bring that back whatever they name it.
Oh yeah, that one was old as ****, the WD version was painted purple? I've seen a few 28mm conversions of that one, looks weird, but much nostalgia
Thargrim wrote: I'm not a twitch subscriber so I can't access it anymore, but it's very visible here:
Spoiler:
I think they actually spoke about it but I missed what they said aside from it wouldn't fit on the sprue. And the thing is the missile launcher is already on the knight command terminal, so it's built into the 3 knight unit already but we won't have the bit for it at launch.
That tiny bit didn't fit on the sprue? More likely that they just want to sell resin upgrade packs.
Crimson wrote: That tiny bit didn't fit on the sprue? More likely that they just want to sell resin upgrade packs.
Yeah I'm hoping these upgrade sprues aren't going to be too expensive and actually include multiples of certain weapons like the missile pods but knowing gw....
Thargrim wrote: I'm not a twitch subscriber so I can't access it anymore, but it's very visible here:
Spoiler:
I think they actually spoke about it but I missed what they said aside from it wouldn't fit on the sprue. And the thing is the missile launcher is already on the knight command terminal, so it's built into the 3 knight unit already but we won't have the bit for it at launch.
That tiny bit didn't fit on the sprue? More likely that they just want to sell resin upgrade packs.
Spoiler:
The sprue is pretty jam packed, no space wasted. They could have always made a larger sprue and included all options and more heads/spare parts. But it looks like they went for a single small crammed sprue. I'm hoping they just do a general upgrade box with a warlord sprue and knight sprue, each just loaded with more options/heads/spare bits. Just me dreaming though....probably gonna get a bunch of resin.
Thargrim wrote: I'm not a twitch subscriber so I can't access it anymore, but it's very visible here:
Spoiler:
I think they actually spoke about it but I missed what they said aside from it wouldn't fit on the sprue. And the thing is the missile launcher is already on the knight command terminal, so it's built into the 3 knight unit already but we won't have the bit for it at launch.
That tiny bit didn't fit on the sprue? More likely that they just want to sell resin upgrade packs.
Spoiler:
The sprue is pretty jam packed, no space wasted. They could have always made a larger sprue and included all options and more heads/spare parts. But it looks like they went for a single small crammed sprue. I'm hoping they just do a general upgrade box with a warlord sprue and knight sprue, each just loaded with more options/heads/spare bits. Just me dreaming though....probably gonna get a bunch of resin.
True. No excessive bits like purity seals and the like. But still, I'm a GW cynic. I'll lean towards the "Sell more sprues" narrative.
Thargrim wrote: I'm hoping they just do a general upgrade box with a warlord sprue and knight sprue, each just loaded with more options/heads/spare bits. Just me dreaming though....probably gonna get a bunch of resin.
I think they've already confirmed the upgrade sprues will all be resin.
I think I heard somewhere that each of those Knights is something like 21 pieces. That's a lot for something that's basically terminator-sized. Doesn't surprise me that they couldn't fit anything extra on the sprues.
Mr. Grey wrote: I think I heard somewhere that each of those Knights is something like 21 pieces. That's a lot for something that's basically terminator-sized. Doesn't surprise me that they couldn't fit anything extra on the sprues.
Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!
IMPERATORS! !
It would be nice to see a reimagined Imperator at some point. But I'm more interested to see what(if anything) they have up there sleeves when it comes to new Titan types. Any one remember the tri legged Titan from one of the Beast Arises books? Originally just added for flavour by the author, but then that's how the Mastodon got its first appearance as well.
Mr. Grey wrote: I think I heard somewhere that each of those Knights is something like 21 pieces. That's a lot for something that's basically terminator-sized. Doesn't surprise me that they couldn't fit anything extra on the sprues.
Mr. Grey wrote: I think I heard somewhere that each of those Knights is something like 21 pieces. That's a lot for something that's basically terminator-sized. Doesn't surprise me that they couldn't fit anything extra on the sprues.
Looking at it doesn't look to bad at 21 parts. The selection of parts seems to be in areas you can customize. Surpised at the shoulders being attached as that seems a golden option for FW parts.
JWBS wrote: I think my Legions will be light on Knights
I think you can expect Warhounds to double the part count.
You my Friend are a master, I don't think part count can hurt you. But for me, if I'm making a mini with 20 parts, it has to be a good one! I will make a warhound with 30 parts, but I will not make a Guardsman with 15!
Mr. Grey wrote: I think I heard somewhere that each of those Knights is something like 21 pieces. That's a lot for something that's basically terminator-sized. Doesn't surprise me that they couldn't fit anything extra on the sprues.
That's...Palladium-esque!
At least these seem to have a level of detail and customisation that somewhat merits having a higher parts count.
Lol I'm still a wee bit salty about that kickstarter!
Here I am furiously painting up my Kill Team stuff, Genstealer Cultists, Sector Imperialis ruins etc, All ready to get really stuck into Kill Team, which I only picked up 7 days ago. Now AT is about to land, and putting price aside, I'm not sure I have the time and energy for both so close together.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: I'm still struggling with the timing of this...
Here I am furiously painting up my Kill Team stuff, Genstealer Cultists, Sector Imperialis ruins etc, All ready to get really stuck into Kill Team, which I only picked up 7 days ago. Now AT is about to land, and putting price aside, I'm not sure I have the time and energy for both so close together.
I can't be the only one
Are you not buying and painting Necromunda and Bloodbowl you Heretic? If so, drop them all for AT. The God Machines.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: I'm still struggling with the timing of this...
Here I am furiously painting up my Kill Team stuff, Genstealer Cultists, Sector Imperialis ruins etc, All ready to get really stuck into Kill Team, which I only picked up 7 days ago. Now AT is about to land, and putting price aside, I'm not sure I have the time and energy for both so close together.
I can't be the only one
They let us know titanicus was coming in august since before kill team released. That's why I passed on KT and even my beloved Cawdor for AT. That's the thing with GWs fast release pace, you gotta pick and choose even if it means skipping stuff you really like.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: I'm still struggling with the timing of this...
Here I am furiously painting up my Kill Team stuff, Genstealer Cultists, Sector Imperialis ruins etc, All ready to get really stuck into Kill Team, which I only picked up 7 days ago. Now AT is about to land, and putting price aside, I'm not sure I have the time and energy for both so close together.
I can't be the only one
They let us know titanicus was coming in august since before kill team released. That's why I passed on KT and even my beloved Cawdor for AT. That's the thing with GWs fast release pace, you gotta pick and choose even if it means skipping stuff you really like.
I decided a long time ago, if I could allow myself free reign (not just GW - they're hit and miss - but on all the others too), I'd be a bankrupt pauper by now (or maybe not. I've got stuff going back 20 years that sells for stupid prices whenever I can be bothered to ebay it). But still, it takes a lot for me to open my wallet to GW nowadays. I'm all in on AT though, provided they don't take the p!ss on the prices.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: I'm still struggling with the timing of this...
Here I am furiously painting up my Kill Team stuff, Genstealer Cultists, Sector Imperialis ruins etc, All ready to get really stuck into Kill Team, which I only picked up 7 days ago. Now AT is about to land, and putting price aside, I'm not sure I have the time and energy for both so close together.
I can't be the only one
Don't worry your definitely not the only one GW have been pumping out stuff at a fairly dizzying rate recently.
Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!
IMPERATORS! !
It would be nice to see a reimagined Imperator at some point. But I'm more interested to see what(if anything) they have up there sleeves when it comes to new Titan types. Any one remember the tri legged Titan from one of the Beast Arises books? Originally just added for flavour by the author, but then that's how the Mastodon got its first appearance as well.
ugh I hope they avoid the three legged idea. it was stupid when MWDA did it it'll be stupid if AT does it
Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!
IMPERATORS! !
It would be nice to see a reimagined Imperator at some point. But I'm more interested to see what(if anything) they have up there sleeves when it comes to new Titan types. Any one remember the tri legged Titan from one of the Beast Arises books? Originally just added for flavour by the author, but then that's how the Mastodon got its first appearance as well.
ugh I hope they avoid the three legged idea. it was stupid when MWDA did it it'll be stupid if AT does it
Black Library are generally pretty fething stupid. I was an avid reader until I started reading a particularly egregious Gav Thorpe "Novel" that I had to drop after about 10 pages. Since then I've tried to ignore the contemporary GW fluff, instead I look with rose-tinted glasses at the Golden age of 40K background. I had a read-through of Codex: Angels of Death the other day, it was enjoyable. Plus the occasional Dan Abnett book (though it seems he doesn't write for them anymore).
Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!
IMPERATORS! !
It would be nice to see a reimagined Imperator at some point. But I'm more interested to see what(if anything) they have up there sleeves when it comes to new Titan types. Any one remember the tri legged Titan from one of the Beast Arises books? Originally just added for flavour by the author, but then that's how the Mastodon got its first appearance as well.
ugh I hope they avoid the three legged idea. it was stupid when MWDA did it it'll be stupid if AT does it
Black Library are generally pretty fething stupid. I was an avid reader until I started reading a particularly egregious Gav Thorpe "Novel" that I had to drop after about 10 pages. Since then I've tried to ignore the contemporary GW fluff, instead I look with rose-tinted glasses at the Golden age of 40K background. I had a read-through of Codex: Angels of Death the other day, it was enjoyable. Plus the occasional Dan Abnett book (though it seems he doesn't write for them anymore).
Abnett still writes. IIRC his latest book is Magos, the new Eisenhorn book
The bummer is having one of each main weapon on the Knight sprues, so even using a box as an entire force will only see two of each weapon, say nothing of splitting it in half for a 2 player set.
AegisGrimm wrote: The bummer is having one of each main weapon on the Knight sprues, so even using a box as an entire force will only see two of each weapon, say nothing of splitting it in half for a 2 player set.
We know warlords will have plasma, fist, and turbolasers options. They could probably fit those 4 weapons on a plastic upgrade sprie, maybe with a mars beta or lucius head as well.
Knights could do the same, say 3 ro met pods, 3 icarus, and a set of the main guns plus 3 fists and some more heads on an upgrade sprue.
Hopefully the common upgrades are plastic and they keep resin for more rare like the fw knight chassis and weapon loads.
Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!
IMPERATORS! !
It would be nice to see a reimagined Imperator at some point. But I'm more interested to see what(if anything) they have up there sleeves when it comes to new Titan types. Any one remember the tri legged Titan from one of the Beast Arises books? Originally just added for flavour by the author, but then that's how the Mastodon got its first appearance as well.
ugh I hope they avoid the three legged idea. it was stupid when MWDA did it it'll be stupid if AT does it
Black Library are generally pretty fething stupid. I was an avid reader until I started reading a particularly egregious Gav Thorpe "Novel" that I had to drop after about 10 pages. Since then I've tried to ignore the contemporary GW fluff, instead I look with rose-tinted glasses at the Golden age of 40K background. I had a read-through of Codex: Angels of Death the other day, it was enjoyable. Plus the occasional Dan Abnett book (though it seems he doesn't write for them anymore).
Abnett still writes. IIRC his latest book is Magos, the new Eisenhorn book
Are you kidding me? I've been waiting for the new Bequin book for literally years. On the other hand...Eisenhorn is my Abnettt Fave. Thanks for the heads up I'm even going to pay them for this instead of stealing a PDF. Because he's generally worth the money, so I'll pay to support quality product (If any BL guy reads this, lease know, I'll always pay for Abnett, even though I know there's a chance I'll be disappointed. As for the rest? I'll download a torrent, read a few pages, delete the file, and be happy that I didn't give you money for it).
Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!
IMPERATORS! !
It would be nice to see a reimagined Imperator at some point. But I'm more interested to see what(if anything) they have up there sleeves when it comes to new Titan types. Any one remember the tri legged Titan from one of the Beast Arises books? Originally just added for flavour by the author, but then that's how the Mastodon got its first appearance as well.
ugh I hope they avoid the three legged idea. it was stupid when MWDA did it it'll be stupid if AT does it
Black Library are generally pretty fething stupid. I was an avid reader until I started reading a particularly egregious Gav Thorpe "Novel" that I had to drop after about 10 pages. Since then I've tried to ignore the contemporary GW fluff, instead I look with rose-tinted glasses at the Golden age of 40K background. I had a read-through of Codex: Angels of Death the other day, it was enjoyable. Plus the occasional Dan Abnett book (though it seems he doesn't write for them anymore).
Abnett still writes. IIRC his latest book is Magos, the new Eisenhorn book
Are you kidding me? I've been waiting for the new Bequin book for literally years. On the other hand...Eisenhorn is my Abnettt Fave. Thanks for the heads up I'm even going to pay them for this instead of stealing a PDF. Because he's generally worth the money, so I'll pay to support quality product (If any BL guy reads this, lease know, I'll always pay for Abnett, even though I know there's a chance I'll be disappointed. As for the rest? I'll download a torrent, read a few pages, delete the file, and be happy that I didn't give you money for it).
it's a collection of all Abbnett's "40k investigative shorts" as well as a novel that is BASICLY a prequal to Bequin.
Just heard from a FLGS that the Adeptus Titanicus costs will be around $500 AUD which roughly checks out with the following sort of formula:
Knights are $185 AUD, so we'll go from there.
2x Warlords (185) $370
2x Knight Lots (say 60) $120
Rulebook + Bits $100
Ruins (60?) $60
=650 - (rumoured cost of 'free' warlord)185= $465 So getting pretty close to it there.
Also for the Poms, given GW marks up Australian pricing about 1.5 what they charge their UK customers it's around 190 pound for those playing at home in the mother country.
Pinch of salt of course, but seems plausible to me.
I'm certainly hoping they don't pile on Knight variants to AT - let the variants stay a 40K thing.
I would be more interested in seeing Reaver and Warhound sized titans for this game, and expansions out into the other races.
Eldar Wraithknights, Phantoms and the like. I'd also be keen to see an Avatar of Khaine that's up to Imperator size. Honestly, it and a Bloodthirster version ought to be the biggest things that can be put on the battlefield. Something that makes every other titan on the field turn and go, "Oh, crap - that thing needs to go first, or we'll all dead!"
AdMech ought to have some 3-legged titans (nod to War of the Worlds), in addition to the old Imperial Titan line.
Necrons should have "full-sized" C'Tan striding the battlefield. Maybe some super-monoliths, such as the Obelisk.
Orks and their mork/gorkanauts, stompas and gargants.
I think they should keep the theme of Tau avoiding actual Titans, with them not having mechs much larger than Knights, but perhaps also utilizing skimmers - such as the orca, manta and other ships. Pervert expectations and have them use small, fast and powerful tech to fight the bigger ones. (And I say this as a fan of Tau).
Tyranids need some love - something to replace the repulsive titan they have. They need Kaiju!
Just heard from a FLGS that the Adeptus Titanicus costs will be around $500 AUD which roughly checks out with the following sort of formula:
Knights are $185 AUD, so we'll go from there.
2x Warlords (185) $370
Pinch of salt of course, but seems plausible to me.
That'd make the 3 sprues titan the same price as the 4 sprues knight. Good inflation estimation.
Just heard from a FLGS that the Adeptus Titanicus costs will be around $500 AUD which roughly checks out with the following sort of formula:
Knights are $185 AUD, so we'll go from there.
2x Warlords (185) $370
2x Knight Lots (say 60) $120
Rulebook + Bits $100
Ruins (60?) $60
=650 - (rumoured cost of 'free' warlord)185= $465 So getting pretty close to it there.
Also for the Poms, given GW marks up Australian pricing about 1.5 what they charge their UK customers it's around 190 pound for those playing at home in the mother country.
Pinch of salt of course, but seems plausible to me.
190 Quid? Hmph. I honestly cant remember anything from GW even approaching that price lately, in current prices. What makes this so special? Where's the considerable discount we (not me, you lot) got on Dark Imperium / Prospero Burning etc?
That is my comparison of US Prices to AU Prices on the GW site on recent models. Older models have different exchange rates. Because GW was screwing AU and US at different rates then than they do now.
AdMech ought to have some 3-legged titans (nod to War of the Worlds), in addition to the old Imperial Titan line.
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
AdMech ought to have some 3-legged titans (nod to War of the Worlds), in addition to the old Imperial Titan line.
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
Today I learned that "Flanderising" is a word, and also its definition.
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
The Space Wolves would like to say hello.
...And Tau and mecha.
What I'm asking for is a homage, not a Flanderising.
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
The Space Wolves would like to say hello.
...And Tau and mecha.
What I'm asking for is a homage, not a Flanderising.
We already got the "homage" with death rays and walking tanks. Next they do as you suggest and it's tripod-Titans. Before you know it we're Space Wolves 2.0 and you've got a tripod Magos riding a grav-tricycle armed with Martinius Deathus Rayus Awesomus.
Better we just stop now and leave the Titans as they are.
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
The Space Wolves would like to say hello.
...And Tau and mecha.
What I'm asking for is a homage, not a Flanderising.
We already got the "homage" with death rays and walking tanks. Next they do as you suggest and it's tripod-Titans. Before you know it we're Space Wolves 2.0 and you've got a tripod Magos riding a grav-tricycle armed with Martinius Deathus Rayus Awesomus.
Better we just stop now and leave the Titans as they are.
Just heard from a FLGS that the Adeptus Titanicus costs will be around $500 AUD which roughly checks out with the following sort of formula:
Knights are $185 AUD, so we'll go from there.
2x Warlords (185) $370
2x Knight Lots (say 60) $120
Rulebook + Bits $100
Ruins (60?) $60
=650 - (rumoured cost of 'free' warlord)185= $465 So getting pretty close to it there.
Also for the Poms, given GW marks up Australian pricing about 1.5 what they charge their UK customers it's around 190 pound for those playing at home in the mother country.
Pinch of salt of course, but seems plausible to me.
Hi,
I quickly looked at the figures taking the following recent sets as reference points for the likely exchange rate: the Basilicanum (AU$165 vs £60) and Lady Olynder (AU$75 vs £27.5), they gave respectively ratios of 2.75 and 2.80.
Based on AU$500 for the GME, this would give around £178.5 - £181.8 as retail price in the UK. Taking AU$465 gives £166-£169.
Doing the same for US$, sets at US$100 and U$45 respectively, gives ratios of 1.67 and 1.64.
Applying to the rumoured US$280, this would give around £168-£171 for the GME.
Now, I think the buildings in the GME are going to be the civitas imperialis sector set, there are 8 sprues and on each large one there are 2 buttresses. On the picture of the civitas imperialis (the smaller terrain set) you see only 4 buttresses (= two of the large sprues). If I am right, then it would be more than only AU$60. And the warlords would be less than AU$185 a piece.
Applying the same reasoning to the hypothesis split would give:
Warlord ~£66-67 (I believe it will come a tad lower)
Rule set ~£36
Knights ~£21.5
Buildings ~£21.5 (I believe this will come higher if sector box equivalent)
Errr, the Collegia Titanica is already affiliated to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the very last thing the AM need is Flanderising based on the "hurr hurr they're Martians geddit" thing.
The Space Wolves would like to say hello.
...And Tau and mecha.
What I'm asking for is a homage, not a Flanderising.
We already got the "homage" with death rays and walking tanks. Next they do as you suggest and it's tripod-Titans. Before you know it we're Space Wolves 2.0 and you've got a tripod Magos riding a grav-tricycle armed with Martinius Deathus Rayus Awesomus.
Better we just stop now and leave the Titans as they are.
Warlord ~£66-67 (I believe it will come a tad lower)
Rule set ~£36
Knights ~£21.5
Buildings ~£21.5 (I believe this will come higher if sector box equivalent)
Warlord ~£66-67 (I believe it will come a tad lower)
Rule set ~£36
Knights ~£21.5
Buildings ~£21.5 (I believe this will come higher if sector box equivalent)
Wait & see … (but the wait is insane …)
Reaver estimate? Warhound?
I have seen none, their release schedule seem to be September and October.
Once we know for the Warlord we'll have a price point to start a new round of speculations. Must definitely be less than the Warlord but more than the knights. My guess would be something around £40-£45 for 2 warhounds and £45-£50 for a reaver but that's just a guess, nothing solid.
What seems certain is that the warlord has 144 components, the reaver 122, the 3 knights 67 (19 per knight, incl. heavy stubber and chainsword, and 10 for ranged-weapons, incl. multimelta for upgrading a heavy stubber), the large terrain sprue 38 and the small one 13.
I have seen none, their release schedule seem to be September and October.
Once we know for the Warlord we'll have a price point to start a new round of speculations. Must definitely be less than the Warlord but more than the knights. My guess would be something around £40-£45 for 2 warhounds and £45-£50 for a reaver but that's just a guess, nothing solid.
What seems certain is that the warlord has 144 components, the reaver 122, the 3 knights 67 (19 per knight, incl. heavy stubber and chainsword, and 10 for ranged-weapons, incl. multimelta for upgrading a heavy stubber), the large terrain sprue 38 and the small one 13.
It's really annoying that they've stayed so tight-lipped. I really hope they give us some prices (for everything) when they release the GM box. Because I don't really want the terrain or the ruls. But should I buy the box anyway, because the package is a good deal? Or do I wait for what I really want? (Models - all of the, warlords, reavers, etc etc). But will that work out cheaper? And if it doesn't, and I should buy the main box, will there be any left to buy? The uncertainty irritates me. It may only be a few £ here and there, but knowing GW, it could equally be a few dozen £.
It's really annoying that they've stayed so tight-lipped. I really hope they give us some prices (for everything) when they release the GM box. Because I don't really want the terrain or the ruls. But should I buy the box anyway, because the package is a good deal? Or do I wait for what I really want? (Models - all of the, warlords, reavers, etc etc). But will that work out cheaper? And if it doesn't, and I should buy the main box, will there be any left to buy? The uncertainty irritates me. It may only be a few £ here and there, but knowing GW, it could equally be a few dozen £.
I fully agree, the uncertainty is the absolute worst.
We can only make speculations so far … the split based on the AU$ rumour gives a discount of around 28.5%. I don't know if that is "the best value ever" as was said in the unboxing video. If you take the discount on Kill Team that was around 52.5%. That is what I would love to see.
Just a thought but don't Warlords also come with all their data cards, counters and such - so whilst there might be one less sprue there's all the card components to let you operate the Warlord that have to go into the box.
Bunch of local stores (mine included) have said as much. Saw $578 NZ thrown around but not sure where that came from. I did not get my information from Natfka. Unless my FLGS is pulling my leg, it matches up with what everybody else is saying in various Aus 30k FB groups
Well the £180ish price honestly comes in at around what we were all expecting for 70 odd pages. It's under £200 which was the cap GW set and it is the most expensive kit they've put together.
Also lets remember you don't have to get it! AT is coming out in multiple boxes at launch so sure you might not get the BIG box; but you can get the little boxes and build up toward it Long run you will likely own everything in the big box over time if you play; heck you'll probably end up with way more.
Bunch of local stores (mine included) have said as much. Saw $578 NZ thrown around but not sure where that came from. I did not get my information from Natfka. Unless my FLGS is pulling my leg, it matches up with what everybody else is saying in various Aus 30k FB groups [/quote
Overread wrote: Well the £180ish price honestly comes in at around what we were all expecting for 70 odd pages. It's under £200 which was the cap GW set and it is the most expensive kit they've put together.
"between £5 and £200" checked
"definitely below £200" checked
"most expensive box game" checked
"best value ever" ???
curious to see
Overread wrote: Long run you will likely own everything in the big box over time if you play; heck you'll probably end up with way more.
Good luck getting one though, it's going to be extremely limited availability apparently.
Let's not forget this boxed set is the limited edition of the game though, kinda like the rare, limited editions of computer games where you get a free action figure or Master Chief helmet, lol.
£175 is a steal though, the rulebook is massive and the usual FW quality and you get everything you need in one hit.
People need to be aware though the Grand Master edition is not the AT starter set - it's a one off deal and probably won't come around again.
The actual main starter set just has the rules and templates - you then buy what you want in the same way you do for other games.
Good luck getting one though, it's going to be extremely limited availability apparently.
Gonna re-post these again so this 'limited availability' rumour stops being repeated.
I hope this is true as it doesn't match up with what I have been told.
The Grand Master edition will only be available via GW (the 2 London independent retailers I have spoken to have both confirmed this) and GW stores will only receive 1 copy each and that's it - then direct only and for a limited time.
I would love for it to be available for longer and at a discount though so will be happy if my info is incorrect.
All they have to do is mark the individual components up enough and it becomes best value ever.
Indeed. I am more thinking in comparison to other bundles and sets. E.g. Kill Team or Dark Imperium or Necromunda vs their components acquired separately. To clarify, I am doubtful it will be "best value ever".
I hope this is true as it doesn't match up with what I have been told.
The Grand Master edition will only be available via GW (the 2 London independent retailers I have spoken to have both confirmed this) and GW stores will only receive 1 copy each and that's it - then direct only and for a limited time.
I would love for it to be available for longer and at a discount though so will be happy if my info is incorrect.
Just spoke to my FLGS and they are getting copies and will be doing pre-orders
So this isn't GW only and I don't think it's going to be extremely limited
Warlord : 85 EUR
Questoris Knights : 25 EUR
Rules : 45 EUR
Grand Master Edition : 230 EUR
Civitas Imperialis : 32.50 EUR
Civitas Imperialis Sector : 100 EUR
A quick conversion to £
Warlord : 63.75
Questoris Knights : 18.75
Rules : 33.75
Grand Master Edition : 172.50
Civitas Imperialis : 24.50
Civitas Imperialis Sector : 75 (how many sprues? 6 large 6 small or 4 of each or 8 of each?)
If true, this would give around 37% discount vs components bought separately, a bit less if value of terrain is £50 (~2 small terrain sets), in that case 30% discount
H.B.M.C. wrote: Can't find anything on the store for 230 Euros. Closest approximation is Legion of the Damned + EZ2B Primaris Collection.
And in Australian that works out to $470.
They're out of their fething minds.
Well based on the general views that:
1) If the big kit is limited they are out of their minds because it will outsell far too fast
and
2) If the big kit really is that price no one will buy it
then I'd say there's an even 50/50 chance that GW are either sane or insane!
In the end the high entry price is only on one boxed set of multiple ways into the new game. There's no pressure to get it and chances are that many people will build up to what is in the starter kit over time.
It's massive considering that current GW rules are 8 pages or so long with the rest being fluff and battlepland and such. Also don't forget most codex have multiple pages for units; we already know that the number of models in this range is far smaller.
My feeling is that these rules are deeper and more detailed than what current 40K/Sigmar rules are. Heck we might even get an index page!
Well yeah, that’s disappointing because it essentially represents no discount whatsoever on the models, just reducing everything else in the box to £5.
You do get a lot, but the terminals are just cardboard sheets and if you aren’t setting up your own home table the terrain is a complete afterthought. Compare it to the very similar Knight Renegade for maximum disappointment.
I assume that this drive to include big hardback rulebooks in starter sets is because they know people are just acquiring digital rules for free all the time, but it hurts multiple sales of the same boxset by bloating the price of Dark Imperium and AoS2 compared to the previous starters.
I think GW expects 1 box per pair of new players possibly 1 box per player for serious players. The whole "lets buy 10 boxed set games" has never been the GW focus. Sure online some people do get that keen, but they are in the vast minority.
Getting started boxes are where GW expects you to get more than one.
Here a quick comparison table based on the various info and rumours, these are not official figures (updated US$ prices, AU$ and NZ$ based on GW exchange rate for latest release)
Those "Big value" box are GW-branch product. AT is a FW-branch product, alongside the Blood Bowl, Necromunda. Both of those starter set didn't give you any plastic value at all.
Now AT go one step beyond with single frame knight being price almost as much as duplicate frame Blood Bowl team.
In the end the high entry price is only on one boxed set of multiple ways into the new game. There's no pressure to get it and chances are that many people will build up to what is in the starter kit over time.
I'm sure some will get it if its $5000 a box. The point is if the steepest discount they have ever given still puts it at a price point that large numbers of people pass. Then the individual components will also be a pass. I can afford the box, hell i can afford a couple, and I think I'm not above the median income for this hobby. But I look at the box and think, that isn't worth $250 or $300. I've talked to 90ish percent of the 40k crowd at the local store. Most of them are of the opinion heck that looks cool. If its $150 or so I'll pick it up, if its $200 I'll think about it, if its over that I'll just keep playing 40k.
Formosa wrote: Just seen a site now selling grand master at £153 after discount, up for pre order
Yeah my local store has just put the info out for pre orders(just the info though you can't pre-order till the 11th). Here its £148 or lower if you have enough store loyalty points saved up. I think I'm still gonna go all in and get the big box and the civitas sector.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: The amount of buildings in the GME looks measly, just 4 on the contents picture posted on the community site. Is that all we're getting?
It was confirmed earlier in the thread as being 8 sprues worth of terrain. For comparison, this set is 4 sprues:
The large box is 16 sprues. I'm not sure if the GME picture just has the buildings stacked higher, or if there's some terrain removed to get everything in the photo.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: The amount of buildings in the GME looks measly, just 4 on the contents picture posted on the community site. Is that all we're getting?
It was confirmed earlier in the thread as being 8 sprues worth of terrain. For comparison, this set is 4 sprues:
The large box is 16 sprues. I'm not sure if the GME picture just has the buildings stacked higher, or if there's some terrain removed to get everything in the photo.
8 sprues is more like it, hopefully they just didn't put them all in that photo
JoyrexJ9 wrote: The amount of buildings in the GME looks measly, just 4 on the contents picture posted on the community site. Is that all we're getting?
Yeah it doesn't really look like a lot. Maybe enough to set up a partial los block in the middle of the board and few bits for knights to hide behind. That's why I'm picking up the sector civitas box, hopefully that'll give me enough to set up multiple los blocking buildings and hopefully have a little of scatter to block movement and offer cover for knights to move around the board a bit.
Anybody know if there is info out there for future terrain releases yet or is this all we'll be getting for a while?
JoyrexJ9 wrote: The amount of buildings in the GME looks measly, just 4 on the contents picture posted on the community site. Is that all we're getting?
Yeah it doesn't really look like a lot. Maybe enough to set up a partial los block in the middle of the board and few bits for knights to hide behind. That's why I'm picking up the sector civitas box, hopefully that'll give me enough to set up multiple los blocking buildings and hopefully have a little of scatter to block movement and offer cover for knights to move around the board a bit.
Anybody know if there is info out there for future terrain releases yet or is this all we'll be getting for a while?
At the very least FW have some 2'x2' realm of battle boards planned, plus a large train terrain piece. These will almost certainly expensive resin, though.
However I think this Civitas terrain works out at a bit better value than 40k. The 8 sprues in the GME box is enough for 1v1 warlord fights to start with, while adding the large bundle box gives you enough to cover a standard 4'x4' table for the price of one large 28mm Sector Mechanicus kit. I can't see many people needing more than that unless they start using a larger board.
JoyrexJ9 wrote: The amount of buildings in the GME looks measly, just 4 on the contents picture posted on the community site. Is that all we're getting?
It was confirmed earlier in the thread as being 8 sprues worth of terrain. For comparison, this set is 4 sprues:
The large box is 16 sprues. I'm not sure if the GME picture just has the buildings stacked higher, or if there's some terrain removed to get everything in the photo.
8 sprues is more like it, hopefully they just didn't put them all in that photo
If you count the terrain sprues in the unboxing video there are 4 large ones and 4 small ones. Seems 50% of what you'll get in the civitas imperialis sector set. The one pictured here is the small set, 2 large and 2 small sprues only.
Yup just watched the unboxing video, and they say there arec8 sprues of terrain. They then take 8 sprues out of the boxes so it is definitely correct. Strangely the official picture only shows six sprues worth of terrain.
There should be 8 buttresses but there are only six visible.
To me, the grand master box is a very missed opportunity.
We passed months of teasing about this game, about the big bad box, the saving of it, and then just 6 days before the release we get that price.
I know that the grand master is not technically a starter set, but seriously people... this should be a good way to introduce new people to the game, to gain new fresh blood to hook: all that I see is a innacceptable price tag that will discourage a lot of people, and then the game will risk to flop.
I'm very disappointed: I trusted this to be my summer project, but if they think that they can shoot up a price like that because we are near the release and so people are crazily hyped maybe I'm not their kind of costumer, and I will not partecipate in any kind of products tied with this new game system.
Sigh....I'm hoping they use a closer to real exchange rate for the box but it's unlikely. At that point it's cheaper to buy it full price from the UK and have it shipped than to buy it at discount in the US. Guess we'll see.
Hulksmash wrote: Sigh....I'm hoping they use a closer to real exchange rate for the box but it's unlikely. At that point it's cheaper to buy it full price from the UK and have it shipped than to buy it at discount in the US. Guess we'll see.
I doubt it. Earlier I worked out the difference between the UK and Australia prices to see if it was possible to send cheap boxes to people in Oz and split the money saved. Unfortunately the shipping cost for a box of that size is virtually the same as the money you'd save! GW are definitely extracting the maximum markup their pricing, and I doubt North America is any different.
orsonero wrote: To me, the grand master box is a very missed opportunity.
We passed months of teasing about this game, about the big bad box, the saving of it, and then just 6 days before the release we get that price.
I know that the grand master is not technically a starter set, but seriously people... this should be a good way to introduce new people to the game, to gain new fresh blood to hook: all that I see is a innacceptable price tag that will discourage a lot of people, and then the game will risk to flop.
I'm very disappointed: I trusted this to be my summer project, but if they think that they can shoot up a price like that because we are near the release and so people are crazily hyped maybe I'm not their kind of costumer, and I will not partecipate in any kind of products tied with this new game system.
I think there's a lot to be said for splitting the GME box with friends or on ebay. Knowing about upcoming releases how many people really want to own 2 Warlords as opposed to getting Reavers / Warhounds / other Knight variants? Plus if you're on a budget or have terrain at a local store / club, why keep the stuff in the box?
If you can pick up the big box for about £150 with discount and sell on the buildings and a Warlord, you still have the start of a decent army for under £100.
Sigh....I'm hoping they use a closer to real exchange rate for the box but it's unlikely. At that point it's cheaper to buy it full price from the UK and have it shipped than to buy it at discount in the US. Guess we'll see
Well it's flying away on the facebook group I use (note the price doesn't include postage), many ordering multiples
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Adeptus Titanicus - Grand Master Edition £175 GBP MJR Price £129.50 GBP PLUS Post of Choice due 18/08/18
SMALL print - GW If your customers are all-in and want to buy it all in one go, then your customers should consider the Grand Master Edition, BUT - We only have very limited quantities of this product. Talk to your regional account manager for more information - Have emailed the guy, as not picking up his phone, Will do VERY BEST for people., But , may be LIMITED in what we get - Fingers Crossed
orsonero wrote: To me, the grand master box is a very missed opportunity.
We passed months of teasing about this game, about the big bad box, the saving of it, and then just 6 days before the release we get that price.
I know that the grand master is not technically a starter set, but seriously people... this should be a good way to introduce new people to the game, to gain new fresh blood to hook: all that I see is a innacceptable price tag that will discourage a lot of people, and then the game will risk to flop.
I'm very disappointed: I trusted this to be my summer project, but if they think that they can shoot up a price like that because we are near the release and so people are crazily hyped maybe I'm not their kind of costumer, and I will not partecipate in any kind of products tied with this new game system.
I think you are creating a bit of a false narrative here. If you think the box is too expensive that's fine. I agree with you, but there has been no jacking up of the prices. They have delivered exactly what they promised. It is GW's most expensive box and the savings amount to the cost of the second Warlord. All the individual components are priced very much in line with other similar GW products. The Warlord is between a redemptor and a Knight in size and has been priced accordingly. The rules pack with its extra card terminals, and the sprue of plastic bits is a bit expensive but in line with other GW releases of a similar nature.
Personally I will probably start in September by picking up a Reaver to paint and then see how it goes from there.
Sigh....I'm hoping they use a closer to real exchange rate for the box but it's unlikely. At that point it's cheaper to buy it full price from the UK and have it shipped than to buy it at discount in the US. Guess we'll see
Only GW won't let us order from the UK.
Meh, there are ways around it honestly. Granted I may just not get the grandmaster at this point and will get individual items. I'll plan once I see how it breaks out. But I won't be pre-ordering based on the released pricing like I would have if I could have gotten for sub-$200 after discount.
I'd also like to point out that GW is actually looking at being cheaper than the metal underground alternatives that are out there right now Epic. Especially since these models, while slight big, will fit in fine with Epic.
On the bright side I may have saved some money. Maybe they'll sell Reavers in pairs, like Helverins, and I can hopefully get an online discount. So a Warlord, two reavers, and some warhounds, over time might not feel so bad. It's not like I was planning on playing the game.
Like many greybushes, I was really excited when they announced AT, since Epic was my favorite game when I got into this hobby around 2nd Edition 40K and 4th edition WHFB. But this price point is a little ridiculous. Factoring in a 20% discount from an online reseller (or are they capped at 15% now?), that's still $224 freedombux for the boxed set. I mean, that's the cost of a new processor for my computer, and I know which of those two things i'll ultimately get the most usage out of.
I don't think this is going to be DoA like Dreadfleet was, simply because it's more of a known IP and not a half assed attempt at a Man'O'War revival. I'm sure this is still going to sell very well, since there are a lot of people like me in their late 30's who are professionally and financially secure and won't bat an eye at the purchase price, but I really think this price is going to force the fence sitters like me into the "Don't Buy!" side of the yard. I will still probably collect a Warlord to go with my Vanguard miniatures Imperial Guard army, but I can't see myself ever playing this game. Which is a shame, as I would have like a giant robot game that was a cross between Battletech (big warmachines slugging away at one another) and Star Fleet Battles (power allocation and such).
I wonder if it makes sense to find a buddy and split the purchase price and the box contents? If $280 is too much for any one person, maybe $140 is a more reasonable ask for 1 Warlord, 3 Knights and 4 sprues of terrain. Thoughts?
Nostromodamus wrote: $280 is a fething joke. I’ve gone from “I’ll take two” to “hell no” with this release.
Ugh.
Is that what £175 equals in GW Conversion Fantasy land in US$ - $280?
It should be closer to $225 - and I'd 'give' them a little flexibility to go up to $250 to account for...fluctuations.
But $280?
I've gone from "I'll take two!" to maybe "I'll take one...I guess?" to "I hope that I can find someone else local to get a game in with." all in the space of a few hours here...
And YES, I feel for my Australian brothers - this one is going to get priced right out of the stratosphere for them!
xttz wrote: I think there's a lot to be said for splitting the GME box with friends or on ebay. Knowing about upcoming releases how many people really want to own 2 Warlords as opposed to getting Reavers / Warhounds / other Knight variants? Plus if you're on a budget or have terrain at a local store / club, why keep the stuff in the box?
If you can pick up the big box for about £150 with discount and sell on the buildings and a Warlord, you still have the start of a decent army for under £100.
Yeah, I think we're going to see very soon that two Warlords and six Knights isn't the best way for one person to start their maniple anyway. Reavers and Warhounds will probably be the workhorses in most people's maniples. This is a box that you split, or a box for people who are crazy for Warlords and/or interested in starting two maniples.
Warlords have been described as at the core of the game. Andy Hoare's notes – both on the videos and social media – have emphasised that.
With that said, I'm sure there'll be lots of people who want to focus on Reavers or Warhounds etc. (myself included – I've loved Reavers since the original Adeptus Titanicus!), but the intended focus is on Warlords. The White Dwarf article, for what it's worth, explicitly mention that 'few, if any games' will involve no Warlords at all. Maybe that's marketing, but I can believe it.
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Hugely enthused about this game still. Price is very steep, which has dented my frothing, but if the accounts are true – that you can have a good game with just one Titan on each side – then that's cool.
I wonder if it makes sense to find a buddy and split the purchase price and the box contents? If $280 is too much for any one person, maybe $140 is a more reasonable ask for 1 Warlord, 3 Knights and 4 sprues of terrain. Thoughts?
Ebay, if you can be bothered. They sell the Knights Renegade Transfer sheet for £15 (yes, the transfer sheet), and it sells too. I'm betting you could probably come out better that way, but it will mean multiple transactions with multiple people, and there'll undoubtedly be a flood of the less desirable bits (Anything that's not a warlord, for me) from day one.
I wonder if there will be any decent art / writing in the book> Or will it all just be movement rates and firing ranges and such (just pure rules)?
This is too expensive for me, at least for now. If the game becomes a huge hit and everyone start playing it, I might change my mind.
I think it might be different if the Knights were not a thing in 40K, but they're, and I think I rather concentrate on them for my giant stompy robot needs.
Though I might get a box of those tiny knights to paint regardless; they're cute and seem to be the only reasonably priced item in the range.
Apologist wrote: Warlords have been described as at the core of the game. Andy Hoare's notes – both on the videos and social media – have emphasised that.
Most of the batrep pics I've seen have boards full of warlords with a couple of reavers scattered around. Not sure about warhounds.
orsonero wrote: To me, the grand master box is a very missed opportunity.
We passed months of teasing about this game, about the big bad box, the saving of it, and then just 6 days before the release we get that price.
I know that the grand master is not technically a starter set, but seriously people... this should be a good way to introduce new people to the game, to gain new fresh blood to hook: all that I see is a innacceptable price tag that will discourage a lot of people, and then the game will risk to flop.
I'm very disappointed: I trusted this to be my summer project, but if they think that they can shoot up a price like that because we are near the release and so people are crazily hyped maybe I'm not their kind of costumer, and I will not partecipate in any kind of products tied with this new game system.
I think you are creating a bit of a false narrative here. If you think the box is too expensive that's fine. I agree with you, but there has been no jacking up of the prices. They have delivered exactly what they promised. It is GW's most expensive box and the savings amount to the cost of the second Warlord. All the individual components are priced very much in line with other similar GW products. The Warlord is between a redemptor and a Knight in size and has been priced accordingly. The rules pack with its extra card terminals, and the sprue of plastic bits is a bit expensive but in line with other GW releases of a similar nature.
Personally I will probably start in September by picking up a Reaver to paint and then see how it goes from there.
I don't think there is a false narrative: I think that gw lived on the hype about this release, and deliberately decided to shroud the price till the last days because they know that they are aiming too high.
The price is not just "too much": the price is completely wrong.
it is wrong because:
1) big box are always seen as "starters": new players will see that price, and will run away. A good game is 80% based on player base. no player base, no game.
2) Warlord in the box have just 1 weapon, missing completely all the other setups. For that price, I demand a complete kit at least.
3) Scenery inside are cute, but they are no capable of creating a good game table, so what is the point? Leave them outside so maybe you can lower the price...
Anyway, I will simply jump this and redirect the budget on something else, no big deal. It's just very disappointing to see that sometimes old GW resurfaces.
Ebay, if you can be bothered. They sell the Knights Renegade Transfer sheet for £15 (yes, the transfer sheet), and it sells too. I'm betting you could probably come out better that way, but it will mean multiple transactions with multiple people, and there'll undoubtedly be a flood of the less desirable bits (Anything that's not a warlord, for me) from day one.
On eBay there are already listings for warlords (30 @ £66.99 + £11.99 shipping), GME box (5 @172.99 + £59.99 shipping) and the rule set from the box (5 @ £39.99 + £10.99 shipping) … More than the individual prices, except the GME (GME @ £175, warlord @ £65 and rule set @ £35).
Unfortunately the pricing will make me wait until Xmas to buy into it. I'm committed to Kill Team right now and the relaunch of Middle-earth, and those prices are about 50% higher than I thought they'd be.
Silentz wrote: You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?
When you convert the kinda-reasonable UK pricing to US Dollars using GW's not-reality conversion, it becomes very absurd. >$100 Warlord? I had been assuming we'd get a $195 starter set, but not $280.
General Helstrom wrote: It's actually cheaper than I expected (and prepared for), so I'm OK with it
Yeah same here I'm more suprised that so many people seem to have thought it would be cheaper. I looked at GW pricing trends and guessed at £200 early on (after I heard we would get a warlord free) so I'm pretty happy with the price as things stand. Yeah cheaper would always be better but this isn't expensive by their own standards for what you get in the box.
You guys, the GM Box isn't a starter as in "attract new customers" and AT isn't aimed at people outside the hobby. Both are aimed at an existing customer base, that knows what they are getting into. The GM is a bundle similar to start collecting or campaign boxes. It's offering you a discount to buy into a new ruleset and miniatures. you can get started perfectly fine without the GM set, and add slowly to your Titan legion. Other than in AoS or 40k where a starter is ment to offer a quick way into the hobby, flooding you with models in a large enough count to have a small force.
Also if this is sufficiently popular, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see a discounted Maniple or rules boxed set come out later on. Something like Warlord, Reaver and 2 Warhounds, or Rules + Reaver + Warhounds.
Unfortunately, after seeing the actual size of the Warlord side by side with a 40k Knight and the listed prices, all I can say is "Ahahaha nope, nope, nope, not for me".
You guys, the GM Box isn't a starter as in "attract new customers" and AT isn't aimed at people outside the hobby. Both are aimed at an existing customer base, that knows what they are getting into. The GM is a bundle similar to start collecting or campaign boxes. It's offering you a discount to buy into a new ruleset and miniatures. you can get started perfectly fine without the GM set, and add slowly to your Titan legion. Other than in AoS or 40k where a starter is ment to offer a quick way into the hobby, flooding you with models in a large enough count to have a small force.
Well thank heavens you're here to patronize us back on to the straight and narrow!
I think the real issue is that some pretty cynical people have made some pretty pessimistic predictions over the price in this thread, and GW have still managed to exceed them. Then any of those people who are outside of the EU or North America get that extra special kicking on top of that too.
And just so ya'll are aware, after the launch, and after the Grand Master Edition sells out, it won't be available again until the next printing scheduled for early 2019.
xttz wrote: Also if this is sufficiently popular, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see a Titan Maniple discount boxed set come out later on. Something like Warlord, Reaver and 2 Warhounds in the same box with the warhounds effectively free.
Maniple bundles of some kind seem like they almost have to happen.
From my point of view, this is seriously cheap - I am looking at doing all the forces for the Prospero campaign, so I am thinking that I am getting massive savings on what would have been three 28mm scale Warlord Titans, plus Reaver and Warhound support...
MongooseMatt wrote: From my point of view, this is seriously cheap - I am looking at doing all the forces for the Prospero campaign, so I am thinking that I am getting massive savings on what would have been three 28mm scale Warlord Titans, plus Reaver and Warhound support...
I would dare to say that your use case is a mite unusual
Meh, keeping an eye on Ebay and their sales. I'm unlikely to pay a $70 premium because I live outside the UK. Poor aussies. Either way I'll keep an eye on it and likely grab stfluff bit by bit. Knight price is is reasonable though.
, well according to rumour anyway. And by that time the game would probably had more than just 2 identical warlords and knight shooting at each other.
i did ask about the release date but they didnt know(or willing to say, they do give normally me a heads up on interesting dates for store, ie Eisienhorn etc) the release date.
