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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
And the videos were immediately removed...
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Post by: Enigwolf
I love how she's stating she's only posting the information after she gets it back from the state. Ergo, it's currently an illegal business. That's settled.
If this isn't resolved by the time I get back Stateside, I am going to the authorities to report Resin Forge for cyber crimes and illegal business ownership. This will be in 2 months though, does anyone want to help me take it up before then?
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Any chance of someone hosting these images on a site besides imgur? Imgur is not a work-friendly site.
Thanks.
Eric
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Post by: RiTides
Yes, but if you click on the second video you're quickly taken to several links that clearly show who is behind the video. Even the title, the name is "Handsome Morty" and the screen capture MGS put up shows that the bird's name is "Mortachai Hernandez Mandelbaum".
I.e., that's their bird's name, and demonstrates that they either were in a relationship, or still are. That's the only relevance of it here, it illustrates that Stephanie / Kim Hernandez and Daniel Mandelbaum are/were significant others. They are not separate entities to run a business separately.
If he wouldn't go through such elaborate charades using family members to try to hide his involvement in his ventures, people wouldn't have to go to these lengths to show his connection. He's the one that put up that weird video with his current or ex wife talking and a bird squawking in the background... the rest is just dominoes from there.
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Post by: Balance
 MajorTom11 wrote:You people really are the worst of the worst, I really don't know how you manage to look at yourselves in the mirror.
I'm not sure, but it allegedly involves three fake identities and a random guy they conned into helping hold the mirror.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
And the videos were immediately removed...
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@AustonT: still believe in coincidences?  Just a pure coincidence that some minutes after posting one link in a surely not worldwide followed threat on an obscure not-bird-related forum, a person which is not connected to Mandelbaum/ Hernandez decides to close her channel?Yeah....
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Post by: 12thRonin
The channel now says it is closed as well.
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Post by: CURNOW
well the Handsomemorty": channel has been removed
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Post by: RiTides
All related videos have been as well. I'm not really interested in pursuing it, anyway... the point is that Daniel Mandelbaum and Stephanie / Kim Hernandez are connected.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Proof positive.
Mandelbaum/Hernandez are monitoring this thread, the youtube channel was deleted within minutes of being posted here.
Deleting the channel was an admission of guilt.
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Post by: Alfndrate
So shall we meet back here in 6 months when this show starts all over again?
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Post by: Enigwolf
So yeah, no one else want to help me file a report to the police before then?
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:Proof positive.
Mandelbaum/Hernandez are monitoring this thread, the youtube channel was deleted within minutes of being posted here.
Deleting the channel was an admission of guilt.
That was my reading as well.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Deleting the channel was an admission of guilt.
And the purpose It was exactly what we expected Just a shame that DM/ KH/ SH behaviour patterns are so predictable... I mean they are always doomed to run after destroying material that has long since been secured
What do you reckon, how long does it take to try to remove all digital traces of so many accounts over several yars?
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Post by: kronk
Boom. It certainly is. 
Kronk Kronkington approves, too.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Inquisitor S. wrote:Deleting the channel was an admission of guilt.
And the purpose It was exactly what we expected Just a shame that DM/ KH/ SH behaviour patterns are so predictable... I mean they are always doomed to run after destroying material that has long since been secured
What do you reckon, how long does it take to try to remove all digital traces of so many accounts over several yars?
It's impossible. I know a guy who worked as a cyber investigator in law enforcement before. I tried to stump him with a few dozen different ways of trying to erase an electronic identity, didn't work out. Hence that saying that whatever goes on the internet, stays there. Gotta say we're not exactly helping them disappear either. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Kronk'd.
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Post by: AduroT
Two things;
A.) They have good taste in birds. I've kind of wanted a nice Sun Conure for awhile now.
2.) Just got these two emails from Resin Forge. They didn't say anything, but that usually means I'm supposed to share them with you, so...
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Any chance of someone hosting these images on a site besides imgur? Imgur is not a work-friendly site.
Suggestions for a work-friendly site?
EDIT: did somebody threaten a "company" with rape and strangulation? Are British flags and parrots from public videos sensitive information?
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Post by: Enigwolf
 AduroT wrote:Two things;
A.) They have good taste in birds. I've kind of wanted a nice Sun Conure for awhile now.
2.) Just got these two emails from Resin Forge. They didn't say anything, but that usually means I'm supposed to share them with you, so...
You should tell them this, "Cool story bro. Or is it bros?"
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Post by: Art Steventon
Really going for the victim card ain't he?
Nobody, repeat NOBODY has threatened you Daniel, nor threatened Kim in ANY WAY apart from to expose you as a deceitful liar with a Napoleon complex.
To compare yourself to a serious criminal case is despicable, low and typically you.
Nobody wants to 'rape' you or 'murder' you; we just want you to stop attempting to steal good, honest people's money.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Also predictable
LEXICANUM
And you can bet your name on the next hilarious discrimination claim coming up. Highest bets for now are on some kind of disability/ sexual orientation discrimination/ member of an ethnic minority. So expect to hear something like: "German Nazi Lexicanum harasses 'Murican female gamer transgender disabled right-to-bear-arms-defending hispano-black-asian dyslexic Texan woman with a bird fetish".
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Really going for the victim card ain't he?
Nobody, repeat NOBODY has threatened you Daniel, nor threatened Kim in ANY WAY apart from to expose you as a deceitful liar with a Napoleon complex.
To compare yourself to a serious criminal case is despicable, low and typically you.
Nobody wants to 'rape' you or 'murder' you; we just want you to stop attempting to steal good, honest people's money.
How long till a brand new account will turn up here at Dakka in this precise thread and will exactly write those threads here? *sets timer*
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
AduroT,
Wish Mr and Mrs Mandelbaum-Hernandez and the wonderful Morty a great day from us, I hope their little girl's French is improving and I hope she doesn't grow up to think that lying through your teeth and stealing are acceptable courses of behavior.
Advise Mr and Mrs Mandelbaum-Hernandez to remove themselves entirely from the wargaming and models business and start ventures elsewhere, rapidly.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Send them a wiki link to:
Fraud
Identity Theft
Alias
Pathological Liar
Community Predator
Justice
The only thing they have been threatened with is reporting to the proper lawful authorities. Even now in complete denial about what they have done and do.
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Post by: kronk
This isn't stalking. This is unraveling a web of lies.
You guys got caught red handed.
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Post by: Enigwolf
I feel like the only real innocent was their poor bird, Morty. He even helped us net the buggers.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
So are they now trying to equate Dakka with Anonymous?
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Wish Mr and Mrs Mandelbaum-Hernandez and the wonderful Morty a great day from us, I hope their little girl's French is improving and I hope she doesn't grow up to think that lying through your teeth and stealing are acceptable courses of behavior.
Not their kid. Her sister. (not that it really matters, it just puts somebody who should not be involved further away)
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Post by: Enigwolf
To be honest it's not a comparison I'd complain too much about. Anonymous does a lot of good things.
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Post by: Alfndrate
WTF?!
Kim, Daniel, please just stop. No one is threatening you, no one is showing doctored photographs, no one is posting your sensitive online information that you yourselves did not post (i.e. the video of morty who is a beautiful bird and the old myspace photo). Since the beginning we have simply been trying to alert people the presence and involvement of Daniel Mandelbaum, a person who has treated his customers poorly over the years. While you may claim that Daniel has left the company, nothing you've done has given us proof that Daniel is not potentially involved. You provided no proof that you legally have the right to operate as a business in Texas, which would prove who is in charge of the company and provide some level of legality should Resin Forge, or its owners be involved in unscrupulous actions. Since you haven't provided any information, we looked into the reasons why. I was suggested earlier by me in this thread that you two had dated (based on what "Jason" had told me via facebook). Well if you dated, what's to say that you two don't have some pieces of an online life together. That's where Morty comes into play. He was just a piece of evidence that not only suggested you and Daniel know each other, but that you still know each other.
Just come clean, admit that Daniel has done things in the past that have marred his actions within this community, admit that you weren't a legally registered company in Texas, and admit that you and he are married, living together, mother and father to a kid or two. Just stop lying at every turn. Daniel does some fantastic work, but he won't ever be able to produce that work without incident if he doesn't fess up for his past transgressions.
-Alf
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Post by: Drael
It's the same room, check both mirrors. It would be too much of a coincidence that they both share the same frame thingie. This is hilarious.
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Post by: kronk
Drael wrote:It's the same room, check both mirrors. It would be too much of a coincidence that they both share the same frame thingie. This is hilarious.
It's the same furniture and bird, at the very least.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Alfndrate wrote:WTF?!
Kim, Daniel, please just stop. No one is threatening you, no one is showing doctored photographs, no one is posting your sensitive online information that you yourselves did not post (i.e. the video of morty who is a beautiful bird and the old myspace photo). Since the beginning we have simply been trying to alert people the presence and involvement of Daniel Mandelbaum, a person who has treated his customers poorly over the years. While you may claim that Daniel has left the company, nothing you've done has given us proof that Daniel is not potentially involved. You provided no proof that you legally have the right to operate as a business in Texas, which would prove who is in charge of the company and provide some level of legality should Resin Forge, or its owners be involved in unscrupulous actions. Since you haven't provided any information, we looked into the reasons why. I was suggested earlier by me in this thread that you two had dated (based on what "Jason" had told me via facebook). Well if you dated, what's to say that you two don't have some pieces of an online life together. That's where Morty comes into play. He was just a piece of evidence that not only suggested you and Daniel know each other, but that you still know each other.
Just come clean, admit that Daniel has done things in the past that have marred his actions within this community, admit that you weren't a legally registered company in Texas, and admit that you and he are married, living together, mother and father to a kid or two. Just stop lying at every turn. Daniel does some fantastic work, but he won't ever be able to produce that work without incident if he doesn't fess up for his past transgressions.
-Alf
Exalted for truth.
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Post by: Necros
<-- that username makes me anonymous! Just like every other poster on Dakka, unless they use their real name when they post stuff. So yes we are in fact all anonymous.
I even remember, back in the day, I always used to hate having to spell anonymous when I had to ftp stuff, cuz I always spelled it wrong. The Y makes it tricky.
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Post by: Art Steventon
Btw meant to mention:
The FB link on the previous page to the 'Chaos Space Marines' group has been killed, following a few of us posting the other side to the argument.
Seems even when he's not on his page MandelBonder can evade direct questions, especially when he has his supporters blindly doing his dirty work?
Though I wonder what GW would make of such blatant IP theft as on that page.....
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Though I wonder what GW would make of such blatant IP theft as on that page.....
Boy, and people say the Inquisition and me personally were vengeful
It's the same room, check both mirrors. It would be too much of a coincidence that they both share the same frame thingie. This is hilarious.
Good eyes there, you will make a suited acolyte! I had not seen that it was a mirror. That now also explains the different angles
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Post by: Flippa
I originally thought it could be just Daniel pulling the wool over Kimanies eyes about all this, and getting her to help him out. It would appear they are both as disgusting as each other! :(
Although not a huge community member, I'm glad to be part of the community here on DakkaDakka and will be DCM by the end of the month 
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Post by: Art Steventon
Inquisitor S. wrote:Though I wonder what GW would make of such blatant IP theft as on that page.....
Boy, and people say the Inquisition and me personally were vengeful
What can I say? Where you are slightly... Radical, I'm a Puritan through and through.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Inquisitor S. wrote:
Any chance of someone hosting these images on a site besides imgur? Imgur is not a work-friendly site.
Suggestions for a work-friendly site?
Photobucket is.
Thank you for the consideration.
Eric
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Post by: AustonT
Inquisitor S. wrote:Not necessarily the same room. But possibly the same stuff (people can move, and there's a possibility that KH/SH moved to Texas). Pure speculation. And lots of coincidences. Not saying it's the same person, merely raising similarities. Allegedly.
MajorTom11 wrote:REALLY??? cmon man, wood wall, rack of clothes, brit glad and some other posters the same, some changed, same skin color and build on the hand, same artificial only lighting, same size room... gimme a break dude...
Inquisitor S. wrote:And the videos were immediately removed...
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@AustonT: still believe in coincidences? Just a pure coincidence that some minutes after posting one link in a surely not worldwide followed threat on an obscure not-bird-related forum, a person which is not connected to Mandelbaum/ Hernandez decides to close her channel?Yeah....
I didn't say I didn't think it was a damning link; just that they weren't the same room and years apart. The background while similar is not convincing. As I said before the voice is the same; which with the name and the screeching in the video is plenty.
Pulling the thread is an admission of guilt; it also had a video of thier kid so I don't really blame them. Scum that they are, protecting your childre is laudable.
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Post by: Aerethan
It has been a satisfying week for this thread, I feel. So many loose ends finally getting tied together.
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Post by: Ammobunkerdean
Go ahead. File a police report. We really want the person making threatening phone calls to you to be caught. The police have tools for finding people even with a Google phone number.
But just know for any police report. Your name has to go on it.... Resin Forge's name will go on it. Your lack of a buisiness ID will come up. The alleged fraud will come up.
Your threats are hollow because they will then turn and look at you. Have fun.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
It has been a satisfying week for this thread, I feel. So many loose ends finally getting tied together.
I had the mental image of a sweater where everything comes apart because we pulled long enough on the threads
But just know for any police report. Your name has to go on it.... Resin Forge's name will go on it. Your lack of a buisiness ID will come up. The alleged fraud will come up.
Your threats are hollow because they will then turn and look at you. Have fun.
Not to mention that it will look really awkward when they trace those "emails" and "phone calls" (if you can prove them) and they end up at your own place again or at an unsuspecting friend's one. Hooray for Prism?
Unless you want to send people to look here and find... nothing. *gasp*
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Post by: 12thRonin
And if it wasn't their content, they wouldn't be complaining about Cyberstalking.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
And if it wasn't their content, they wouldn't be complaining about Cyberstalking.
Especially because all their calls to Aerethan are logged and recorded. Now THAT will be fun to explain, won't it?
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Post by: Alfndrate
Inquisitor S. wrote:And if it wasn't their content, they wouldn't be complaining about Cyberstalking.
Especially because all their calls to Aerethan are logged and recorded. Now THAT will be fun to explain, won't it?
That was "Jason" remember
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Post by: Aerethan
Inquisitor S. wrote:And if it wasn't their content, they wouldn't be complaining about Cyberstalking.
Especially because all their calls to Aerethan are logged and recorded. Now THAT will be fun to explain, won't it?
And they sought out my info using the very tactics they complain about, by looking on my profile for ways to mess with me, and finding my company info.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Christ, and I thought some of my dumber moments were stupid.
I mean, I've actually forgotten what it was they were doing to start with that they decided they needed to commit identity fraud over.
Here's to hoping that our "good friends" at Resin Forge get properly brought to justice.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
That was "Jason" remember
Doesn't matter. I bet "Jason" lives in the same place as all the others
And they sought out my info using the very tactics they complain about, by looking on my profile for ways to mess with me, and finding my company info.
That's something COMPLETELY else, you are no girl. So you are not allowed to say these bad bad allegations that they used stalking methods, naughty boy!  *sarcasm*
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Post by: Hogun
On another note, I really do feel that AJ (nice bloke that you are) should post on the RF facebook page, letting the people know there that his admin access has been revoked prior to/at the time of their last post there. Plus give any reasons why this has happened etc, if there are any.
Feel this would help a lot.....
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Post by: Ammobunkerdean
Inquisitor S. wrote:That was "Jason" remember
Doesn't matter. I bet "Jason" lives in the same place as all the others
And they sought out my info using the very tactics they complain about, by looking on my profile for ways to mess with me, and finding my company info.
That's something COMPLETELY else, you are no girl. So you are not allowed to say these bad bad allegations that they used stalking methods, naughty boy! *sarcasm*
The funny thing is that RF werent doing anything wrong... The first thread was just, "Hey, be careful with your money. RF is owned by Mandelbaum and he has a history of stuff in the past." The Identity "theft" has all been put on as a sham to make Dakka look like the bad guys for pointing out that RF is owned by Mandelbaum....
I used to like soap operas for the idiotic things people did to themselves... this is better...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Maybe police procecuting criminals is a form of harassing and stalking, from the viewpoint of a criminal
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Kroothawk wrote:Maybe police procecuting criminals is a form of harassing and stalking, from the viewpoint of a criminal
I would certainly say so.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Thanks.
For those who don't want to click the links:
In comparing the two, I see similarities in the flag and the thin/bony hand, arm and wrist.
I think the clothes comparison, as it sits, is wrong. The room would have to have been entirely moved around. The clothes in the reflection are on the wrong side of the flag for it to be the same set up.
:shrug:
Eric
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Post by: Shepherd23
Ok, I haven't really had anything to add to this discussion until now. I have not read all 82 pages, so if this has been brought up before now, tell DM and SH to C&D me or something.
http://www.resthavenfuneral.com/obituaries/obituaries-detail.cfm?method=2&id=1738
This is the link to Susans Beasley/Whites obituary with the funeral home that handled her funeral. Go to the second to the last reply entry and you will see SH condolences. They read as follows:
One always struggles to find the right words to say in situations like these, and I'm afraid I'm no exception to that rule. All I can offer is my sympathy and my help. I know that losing Susan has been difficult for the family, especially for her son Daniel.And I will do my best to offer comfort during this time.
Even though I never personally knew Susan, I felt an immediate motherly connection towards her. She seemed heartfelt. Someone who I can speak to without typical judgement. I only wished I spoke to her more often. But I thank her for expressing enthusiam and positivity over Daniel and I's union together as a young couple. It meant alot to me, more than I could ever express. Thank you Susan.
-Stephanie Hernandez
If that doesn't scream out that we are an item, I don't know what else to do.
Good luck with the witch hunt and may DM and SH get the jail times they deserve. And NO posting this info isn't harrassment. It is public knowledge that was gained just by typing both idiots names in a google search.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Yeah, I brought that up a few weeks ago, "Jason" told me they only dated... but obviously it was a lie .
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Post by: AustonT
Wait there's going to be a witch hunt AND NONE OF YOU PM'ed ME?.
I'm unfriending you kronk. Automatically Appended Next Post: Alfndrate wrote:Yeah, I brought that up a few weeks ago, "Jason" told me they only dated... but obviously it was a lie .
People frequently refer to dating as a "union" in this day and age.
...wait; no.
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Post by: Aerethan
Shepherd23 wrote:Ok, I haven't really had anything to add to this discussion until now. I have not read all 82 pages, so if this has been brought up before now, tell DM and SH to C&D me or something.
http://www.resthavenfuneral.com/obituaries/obituaries-detail.cfm?method=2&id=1738
This is the link to Susans Beasley/Whites obituary with the funeral home that handled her funeral. Go to the second to the last reply entry and you will see SH condolences. They read as follows:
One always struggles to find the right words to say in situations like these, and I'm afraid I'm no exception to that rule. All I can offer is my sympathy and my help. I know that losing Susan has been difficult for the family, especially for her son Daniel.And I will do my best to offer comfort during this time.
Even though I never personally knew Susan, I felt an immediate motherly connection towards her. She seemed heartfelt. Someone who I can speak to without typical judgement. I only wished I spoke to her more often. But I thank her for expressing enthusiam and positivity over Daniel and I's union together as a young couple. It meant alot to me, more than I could ever express. Thank you Susan.
-Stephanie Hernandez
If that doesn't scream out that we are an item, I don't know what else to do.
Good luck with the witch hunt and may DM and SH get the jail times they deserve. And NO posting this info isn't harrassment. It is public knowledge that was gained just by typing both idiots names in a google search.
That was noted towards the beginning of this thread already.
I will note that the mirror in both pics above is the same border. So things we have similar in the two: the hands, the flag, and the mirror as well as the general color scheme of the room. Also, both rooms have seemingly random smatterings of posters and pictures pinned to the walls, and a clothes rack out in the open.
It may be circumstantial evidence, but it's far too much to be coincidental.
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Post by: Shepherd23
The word "UNION" has never been used to confer "Just dating" to my knowledge. Maybe I am daft, but I have always taken UNION to mean married.
So, If I have this correct, SH is DM long dead wife that died 3 times of cancer or some crap. That must be the reason for the mask. Years in the grave does not do well for the skin!
At this point, if all this info is already know, why are people even attempting to get them to fess up? Everyone knows they wont. They never will until they stand before a judge. The endless pursuit of an admission of guilt is completely pointless with these morons. They are obviously connected, they are obviously working together to screw people and they have obviously been caught again. Their next step is go to ground and lay low while they setup the next scam. At that time, someone will bust them again and rinse and repeat.
Trying to get an admission is pointless.
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Post by: Art Steventon
FIRE UP THE PITCHFORKS, WE'RE GOING IN!
Seriously, whilst the Obit. is salient information, it's also a a little uncomfortable for me as some of DM's complaints stemmed from the referencing of his late mother.
Though I am reminded that in the 'Hive Mind' burn account posting, mention was made of his mother again - let's not drag her or children into this please?
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Post by: Enigwolf
 MagickalMemories wrote:
In comparing the two, I see similarities in the flag and the thin/bony hand, arm and wrist.
I think the clothes comparison, as it sits, is wrong. The room would have to have been entirely moved around. The clothes in the reflection are on the wrong side of the flag for it to be the same set up.
:shrug:
Eric
One thing to take note of is that different webcams sometimes reverse the image that they record...
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
@MagickalMemories (and Aerethan): ca. two years between the bird video and the RF video...
One thing to take note of is that different webcams sometimes reverse the image that they record...
The bird video (and all other videos in that account) was shot with a normal point and shoot digicam (you can see that in another sequence of the video when the hand holding the camera moves into the mirror view. Can't say much about the RF video. But the pattern of the mirror frame pretty much speaks for itself (not to mention the immediate deletion of the whole channel ).
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Post by: Shepherd23
At this point, I would say that DM and SH have caused the obit to come to light. Its their lack of openness that caused people to start digging. No one has said anything bad about mom or other siblings. And remember, it was DM that involved mom in a previous scam. He started this himself. Everyone involved was because of his actions alone.
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Post by: erratyk
 Art Steventon wrote:FIRE UP THE PITCHFORKS, WE'RE GOING IN!
Seriously, whilst the Obit. is salient information, it's also a a little uncomfortable for me as some of DM's complaints stemmed from the referencing of his late mother.
Though I am reminded that in the 'Hive Mind' burn account posting, mention was made of his mother again - let's not drag her or children into this please?
Agreed
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Post by: Art Steventon
Shepherd23 wrote:At this point, I would say that DM and SH have caused the obit to come to light. Its their lack of openness that caused people to start digging. No one has said anything bad about mom or other siblings. And remember, it was DM that involved mom in a previous scam. He started this himself. Everyone involved was because of his actions alone.
You're quite right, but we don't need to stoop to his odious level to prove the case. The video, the emails, the phone calls all evidence the relationship (I think) enough.
Dakka as a community needs to hold its collective head up high above the fecal matter that is Daniel's common home.
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Post by: alarmingrick
I had a thought at work today: Watch for new "scratch built" Apoc war machines. Khorne LoB, Nurgle plague towers, Thunderhawks etc.....
The reason I say this is twofold. He knows we'll be watching for FW bits, so he may lay low on those for a bit(or use them to create things to sell).
But as Matt Bonder, he sold scratch builds as his bread n butter, and with a new Apoc push hitting it just seems like it might be low hanging fruit for him.
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Post by: Ammobunkerdean
Pictures reflected in mirrors tend to be flipped around.... But deletion of the account says more as has already been noted.
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Post by: d-usa
DakkAnon, we are legion?
If they would spend half as much effort being legit as they do trying to deflect, then the problem would be solved.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 d-usa wrote:DakkAnon, we are legion?
If they would spend half as much effort being legit as they do trying to deflect, then the problem would be solved.
If they spent half their effort being legit, we'd all be buying from them and praising them. We all know the good work Daniel is capable of.
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Post by: alarmingrick
 timetowaste85 wrote: d-usa wrote:DakkAnon, we are legion? If they would spend half as much effort being legit as they do trying to deflect, then the problem would be solved.
If they spent half their effort being legit, we'd all be buying from them and praising them. We all know the good work Daniel is capable of.
It really does boggle the mind. He could have be making money hands over fist, but instead he does the voodoo he do?
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Post by: d-usa
 alarmingrick wrote: timetowaste85 wrote: d-usa wrote:DakkAnon, we are legion?
If they would spend half as much effort being legit as they do trying to deflect, then the problem would be solved.
If they spent half their effort being legit, we'd all be buying from them and praising them. We all know the good work Daniel is capable of.
It really does boggle the mind. He could have be making money hands over fist, but instead he does the voodoo he do?
Being a bad converter and builder is pretty much the only thing nobody has ever accused him off. His great skills are the reason he continues to be able to resurrect as a new business over and over again.
He only fails because of his bad business practices and attitude.
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Post by: MajorTom11
He doesn't have bad business practices, he has criminal ones. It's not negligent, it's intentional what he does. 'Allegedly'.
There is a huge difference and let's not water down the truth here and imply he is just kinda goofy and that's the problem.
He's not. He's a liar and a schemer, and is not to be trusted, ever.
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Post by: RiTides
For folks who are comparing the pictures- there was obviously a lot more that could be seen when the entire video was up, and it's deletion is obvious proof of the connection. And of course the name of the bird (Mortachai and Morty). Just the existence of a picture that is labelled "Mortachai Hernandez Mandelbaum" shows the connection, even if the owner of the videos hadn't deleted them all as soon as it was mentioned in this thread.
If you want to see the bird picture for yourself, just google "Hernandez Mandelbaum" and click on the first pic in google images. It's also the first search result in normal google (a now deleted MySpace page). Check it out:
http://google.com//#q=Hernandez+Mandelbaum
Really, nothing more needs to be said there and people don't need to look into it further, imo. The connection has been shown... the only point of anyone following up was to verify that Stephanie / Kim Hernandez and Daniel Mandelbaum are connected. As they obviously are, that's enough, I think.
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Post by: Shepherd23
According to Facebook, SH has closed the store and lays the blame fully at Dakkas feet. She claims to have received a phoned in death threat that couldn't be traced. Obviously, another Dakka member.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Shepherd23 wrote:According to Facebook, SH has closed the store and lays the blame fully at Dakkas feet. She claims to have received a phoned in death threat that couldn't be traced. Obviously, another Dakka member.
It was noted a couple pages past, but I'm sure anyone who missed it is thankful for the info. Don't worry, I don't think anyone on here is dumb enough to phone in a death threat to her/him. At least I hope nobody on here is. It's likely another lie. Allegedly. There's that word again...anyone "hearing" an echo?
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Post by: Shepherd23
timetowaste85 wrote:Shepherd23 wrote:According to Facebook, SH has closed the store and lays the blame fully at Dakkas feet. She claims to have received a phoned in death threat that couldn't be traced. Obviously, another Dakka member.
It was noted a couple pages past, but I'm sure anyone who missed it is thankful for the info. Don't worry, I don't think anyone on here is dumb enough to phone in a death threat to her/him. At least I hope nobody on here is. It's likely another lie. Allegedly. There's that word again...anyone "hearing" an echo?
I agree that the chances of it being a lie are high, but I disagree that no one here is dumb enough to phone a death threat. Over the years, I have seen some really stupid things said on several forums, this one included. Dakka does not have an IQ restriction.
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Post by: MajorTom11
No it's not impossible for sure that's true. But there is no proof at all. It could be a lie (likely even given the source), there is nothing to prove it was one of us, and even if it was it wasn't 'Dakka' it was one person of 70000. The rest of us condemn the act if it happend, and do not endorse or encourage it in any way shape or form. Putting 'Dakka' as the source is in and of itself completely unsustainable as an accusation on multiple levels.
It's just victim smoke screening as usual from the mandelbaum gang, Daniel, Stephanie and Mordecai.
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Post by: Monster Rain
I disapprove of blaming Morty for this.
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Post by: OIIIIIIO
The wood framing around the mirrors are the same texture and shade. The taupe wall (painted or wall paper ... not sure) is visible above the cute bird's head is the same colour that is reflected in the other picture to the right side of her face. The one thing that does have me wondering though is the wooden shelves that have some things hanging in the one picture does not appear in the picture with the bird (I believe this is correct, will double check).
The double frosting borders on the mirror was the first thing that I noticed that appears in both pictures ... this is a dead giveaway. I have seen plenty of frosted edges on mirrors in other peoples houses, I have yet to see a double frosted border on a single mirror in real life. To see the same mirror in two pictures with the same name attached to it ...means they are the same.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
It is the rapid removal of the evidence from the Internet following discovery here that is the most convincing thing.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
It was noted a couple pages past, but I'm sure anyone who missed it is thankful for the info. Don't worry, I don't think anyone on here is dumb enough to phone in a death threat to her/him. At least I hope nobody on here is. It's likely another lie. Allegedly. There's that word again...anyone "hearing" an echo?
Missing the elemental question: where would somebody have her secret home number from? Hm? Certainly not from dakka as dakka doesn't have it. Unless SH/KH lives in Daniel's house. RF didn't even admit to an address, nevermind a phone number
The one thing that does have me wondering though is the wooden shelves that have some things hanging in the one picture does not appear in the picture with the bird (I believe this is correct, will double check).
Repeating myself: 2 (two years) between the two videos.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Art Steventon wrote:Shepherd23 wrote:At this point, I would say that DM and SH have caused the obit to come to light. Its their lack of openness that caused people to start digging. No one has said anything bad about mom or other siblings. And remember, it was DM that involved mom in a previous scam. He started this himself. Everyone involved was because of his actions alone.
You're quite right, but we don't need to stoop to his odious level to prove the case. The video, the emails, the phone calls all evidence the relationship (I think) enough.
Dakka as a community needs to hold its collective head up high above the fecal matter that is Daniel's common home.
The obit was actually the first point to prove their relationship as that had been revealed way back when he used his mothers identity to run eBay accounts and things from. There's wasn't digging as such, it was old info.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Mandelbaum's mother came into the overall affair when she, or he pretending to be her, started to operate one of his earlier businesses a few years ago.
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Post by: RiTides
Mandelbaum also originally shared the link about his mother himself- no one went digging for it. It's how we found out his name is Mandelbaum... the rest is dominoes from there.
Usually, by continuing to make up excuses he actually digs himself a deeper hole- also evidenced by his putting his ex or current significant other up to doing the video with the mask in this case. We would have no real idea about that person, except his trying to use them to cover his tracks. So it is all his own doing.
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Post by: Shepherd23
What amazes me is the amount of people on FB that are boo hooing over their shutting down and just cursing Dakkas existence. People are morons to not be able to see that DM is a crooked SOB with all the evidence gathered to date. Every major gaming forum has at least one thread about this crook. Several have covered this most recent attempt by him. And still they rally round and join the whining about RF being shut down.
Personally, I am happy they are gone, if for no other reason than their initials were the same as my company, Rust Forge. I would hate it if people got confused about the names.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Shepherd23 wrote:What amazes me is the amount of people on FB that are boo hooing over their shutting down and just cursing Dakkas existence. People are morons to not be able to see that DM is a crooked SOB with all the evidence gathered to date. Every major gaming forum has at least one thread about this crook. Several have covered this most recent attempt by him. And still they rally round and join the whining about RF being shut down.
Personally, I am happy they are gone, if for no other reason than their initials were the same as my company, Rust Forge. I would hate it if people got confused about the names.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to blame people if they don't come on forums and have simply been misled by Daniel Aliasbaum.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
People could come on the forums to read the story and make up their mind after seeing the whole thing from two different angles.
But there are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Kilkrazy wrote:People could come on the forums to read the story and make up their mind after seeing the whole thing from two different angles.
But there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Bitzbox did, remember? I don't know, there's no reason for them to want to come here and read it if RF has basically told them that all we do here is stalk, threaten, flame, and harass.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Why believe him, though?
I can see how people are fooled by a plausible bit of social engineering -- i.e. clever lies -- but how plausible is it that "a forum" has got someone's ex-directory phone number, issued death threats, and the threatened person has not contacted the police? Haven't you got to be rather simple to be taken in by such an unlikely story?
Isn't there something basically strange in the idea that "a forum" would decide to harass a bits company for no reason?
Don't people want to look at things for themselves?
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Post by: timetowaste85
Kilkrazy wrote:Why believe him, though?
I can see how people are fooled by a plausible bit of social engineering -- i.e. clever lies -- but how plausible is it that "a forum" has got someone's ex-directory phone number, issued death threats, and the threatened person has not contacted the police? Haven't you got to be rather simple to be taken in by such an unlikely story?
Isn't there something basically strange in the idea that "a forum" would decide to harass a bits company for no reason?
Don't people want to look at things for themselves?
People like to root for the underdog. They don't want pesky "facts" to get in the way of that because everyone cheers a martyr. I wish that was just cynicism. 
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Post by: Enigwolf
timetowaste85 wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Why believe him, though?
I can see how people are fooled by a plausible bit of social engineering -- i.e. clever lies -- but how plausible is it that "a forum" has got someone's ex-directory phone number, issued death threats, and the threatened person has not contacted the police? Haven't you got to be rather simple to be taken in by such an unlikely story?
Isn't there something basically strange in the idea that "a forum" would decide to harass a bits company for no reason?
Don't people want to look at things for themselves?
People like to root for the underdog. They don't want pesky "facts" to get in the way of that because everyone cheers a martyr. I wish that was just cynicism.
Quote for truth.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
"Of 40k, Fraud, Dakka, and Parrots."
Arschbombe
Not sure how many of you are familiar with the exploits of someone named Daniel Mandelbaum. Apparently this individual has run a series of 40k-oriented business ventures offering various hobby services like custom models and conversions. Each business has imploded under accusations of fraud. He has use mutliple aliases and accomplices in his endeavors. There is a dedicated team of folks on DakkaDakka who track him and out him whenever he pops up.
The latest business venture is called ResinForge. The owners sent a fake C&D letter to DakkaDakka to try to shut them up. Dakka has an 80+page thread (started by the estimable Yakface himself) on this one trying to pin down exactly who owns and operates the site.
Today I think the effort sort of jumped the shark when the one of the posters was able to link Mandelbaum with the current operator(s) because of some ambient sounds in a video released by the site and a myspace page of the couple's Parrot, Mortachai.
As is so often the case, you can't make this stuff up.
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yeah, i got a message from them asking me to like their page and them wanting to have a 'statement' on our show. Declined.
http://the11thcompany.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=5686&p=56301
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Post by: Art Steventon
Point taken over the 'mother' issue!
Now, onto phase 2 - if Dakkites see RF biased posts on FB - report em up here. As can be seen over the last few days, the simple act of rebuttal by others can close down the 'oh RF are so hard done by' acts and shut down Daniel's further attempts at scamming (allegedly).
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Wonder if somebody could obtain the message that was sent from RF to the guy from the11thcompany...
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Post by: Savagecoyote
Kilkrazy wrote:People could come on the forums to read the story and make up their mind after seeing the whole thing from two different angles.
But there are none so blind as those who will not see.
point of fact logged on to face book today the following is an actual conversation on facebook message
*************** has liked Resin Forge
ME....Dude did you just like RF ???? lol
G....... Yeah they seem a nice company why?
ME......Launches into explanation of (at that time 78 ) pages of evidence at their exploits
G........ah that's why their closing they got death threats against there family
Me ......DAFUQ did you just read!!!!!!!!!!!
though i like my new psychic powers of evil if only i had developed them during my last marriage to find out her new boyfriends phone number through his facebook posts !
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Art Steventon wrote:Point taken over the 'mother' issue!
Now, onto phase 2 - if Dakkites see RF biased posts on FB - report em up here. As can be seen over the last few days, the simple act of rebuttal by others can close down the 'oh RF are so hard done by' acts and shut down Daniel's further attempts at scamming (allegedly).
Why bother.
Honestly, why the hell bother.
There has been 80+ pages on this thread and a similarly epic thread proceeded this one, if people are really stupid enough to take them at face value, not investigate for themselves and be stupid enough to believe the utterly bizarre string of bs Resin Forge have spewed, perhaps they deserve to enjoy a dose of Mandelbaum's antics.
The emperor is stark bollock naked and we still have halfwits complimenting him on his new clothes and cursing us for trying to say otherwise, perhaps we should leave them to it?
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Post by: Ammobunkerdean
You can lead the sheep to water but you cannot make them think...
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Post by: insaniak
Can we please stop with the derogatory comments? You can't very well complain about Resin Forge tarring Dakka with the one-eyed brush and then go and do the same thing in return.
The worst that the people defending Resin Forge are guilty of is being taken in by a sob story. There's no need to be insulting about it.
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Post by: Aerethan
 insaniak wrote:Can we please stop with the derogatory comments? You can't very well complain about Resin Forge tarring Dakka with the one-eyed brush and then go and do the same thing in return.
The worst that the people defending Resin Forge are guilty of is being taken in by a sob story. There's no need to be insulting about it.
I completely agree. Many of these people only know of RF's side of this.
There is no point in insulting them. There are a few of them (Tallon Amaya being one) who just refuse to accept all of the proof posted and still think that it's some baseless accusations and a witch hunt. There's no helping people like that.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
The worst that the people defending Resin Forge are guilty of is being taken in by a sob story. There's no need to be insulting about it.
This could stem from the fact that most people heading over to our FB page after being whipped up by RF come in frothing at the mouth, spittle flying, expletives blurting forth. This kind of people can expect nothing but ridicule and a bloody nose *shrug*
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Kevin @D6_Hobbyist 27 Jun
Now Resin Forge has to close its doors due to death threats from users on DakkaDakka? Good job Dakka. Really raising the bar. #bandakka
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Congrats on your own (failed) hate hashtag dakka
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Post by: motyak
Inquisitor S. wrote:Kevin @D6_Hobbyist 27 Jun
Now Resin Forge has to close its doors due to death threats from users on DakkaDakka? Good job Dakka. Really raising the bar. #bandakka
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Congrats on your own (failed) hate hashtag dakka
Is he a random person, or is that D6 hobbyist thing a recognised group in the gaming world over in the US? And is he actually a part of that, or is he just talking to them. I don't understand how twitter works, could someone interpret please?
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Post by: Seaward
 motyak wrote:
Is he a random person, or is that D6 hobbyist thing a recognised group in the gaming world over in the US? And is he actually a part of that, or is he just talking to them. I don't understand how twitter works, could someone interpret please?
It's a random person. The D6 hobbyist thing is just his Twitter username.
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Post by: motyak
Cheers. How is this some kind of development then, a whole bunch of people have been clamouring from their side of the argument for us to go away forever.
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Post by: Kroothawk
If the twitter thing still exists, people could send video links, Jason/Kim phone call sound files and stuff on that channel
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Post by: Mythal
Inquisitor S. wrote:Kevin @D6_Hobbyist 27 Jun
Now Resin Forge has to close its doors due to death threats from users on DakkaDakka? Good job Dakka. Really raising the bar. #bandakka
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I feel, on occasion, that there ought to be a few induction tutorials provided by ISPs when someone signs up for broadband. Things like: "Search Engines - What Are They, Really?", "Life, Love and the Pursuit of Low Latency", and "Essentialist Statements and You - A Guide to Looking Cool and Edgy to Your Friends on Social Media". Looks like this fellow at least saw the last one.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Please note that "DakkaDakka" does not have an official position on this whole affair other than the one laid out by Yakface in his original posting about the C&D letter.
In my own view I don't think there is much point arguing with people on Twitter and the like. It doesn't affect users here personally, so I don't worry about it.
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Post by: whitedragon
This thread still delivers. Please RSO, keep entertaining us.
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Post by: Monster Rain
Dakka isn't a monolithic organization dedicated to witch-hunts and victim blaming?
I guess I've been doing it wrong.
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Post by: Seaward
Kroothawk wrote:If the twitter thing still exists, people could send video links, Jason/Kim phone call sound files and stuff on that channel
I doubt that would do all that much good. The problem is, you have to be initiated into literally hundreds of thread pages' worth of backstory to know the depths of perfidy involved. Also take into account the (apparent) fact that, no matter what shenanigans are going on with the license, the ownership, etc., Resin Forge the "company" doesn't appear to have screwed anyone out of any cash. We know it's questionable at best because the community's familiar with what occurred last time the founder of it surfaced, but it's pretty rough if you're an outsider and don't have a couple afternoons to burn reading through thread posts to bring yourself up to speed.
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Post by: Monster Rain
The accusation isn't that RF screwed anyone.
The issue is that they were in business with someone who has screwed people out of money, and the absolute strangeness that ensued when this was pointed out.
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Post by: Seaward
 Monster Rain wrote:The accusation isn't that RF screwed anyone.
The issue is that they were in business with someone who has screwed people out of money, and the absolute strangeness that ensued when this was pointed out.
I'm aware.
But I don't think it's reasonable to expect a bunch of late teenagers/early twentysomethings to get freaked out over the lack of a business license when they've grown up with people randomly selling gak on the internet all their lives, at least not without the context of what came before Resin Forge. Tracking down that context is going to seem like more trouble than it's worth to a lot of them, given that it's spread through several different very long threads on a site they apparently don't visit, so they're going to take the position that Monolith Dakka is just beating up poor ol' Bird-Girl over something that didn't hurt anybody.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Easy to forget during all the hubbub, but RF was guilty of things itself:
1. Trying to get Aerethan fired
2. Attempting to recast the french gentlemans products
3. Lying to their customers on multiple fronts, including the HH weekender, who the owners were, and whether or not Daniel Mandelbaum was still connected to the business (he was).
4. Pre-selling items they had absolutely no right, or ability to guarantee, essentially taking 'free money' from their audience by lying about it, as they would have no to purchase said items from RF otherwise.
5. Lying about the owners real names
6. Refusing to provide information that their business was legal.
7. Harassment and outright lies about anyone questioning them.
Also not to forget that since they refused to disclose any evidence whatsoever that they were operating a legal company they are formally responsible for Mandelbaums phonebook length list of past crimes and scams.
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Post by: Seaward
MajorTom11 wrote:Easy to forget during all the hubbub, but RF was guilty of things itself:
1. Trying to get Aerethan fired
2. Attempting to recast the french gentlemans products
3. Lying to their customers on multiple fronts, including the HH weekender, who the owners were, and whether or not Daniel Mandelbaum was still connected to the business (he was).
4. Pre-selling items they had absolutely no right, or ability to guarantee, essentially taking 'free money' from their audience by lying about it, as they would have no to purchase said items from RF otherwise.
4. Lying about the owners real names
5. Refusing to provide information that their business was legal.
6. Harassment and outright lies about anyone questioning them.
I think "guilty" is a pretty strong word to use for all but number one and possibly number two - I missed that one, somehow, in this incredibly long thread - but either way, I think you might have missed the point of what I was saying. None of that is going to appear to a non-Dakkaite as anything but your word vs. his word. I'm firmly in the "Mandlebaum did all that stuff," camp, but I've been following this for months now. Someone who hasn't been isn't going to have any evidence either way unless they dive into hundreds of posts, and a lot of it is stuff they likely wouldn't care about. I always thought the HH weekender stuff was pretty weak, personally, for example.
Also not to forget that since they refused to disclose any evidence whatsoever that they were operating a legal company they are formally responsible for Mandelbaums phonebook length list of past crimes and scams.
Not really. If they are in fact not a licensed business, then Mandlebaum would be responsible for Mandlebaum's crimes. If RF is a licensed business and just haven't shown evidence of being so, that doesn't automatically make them no longer a licensed business. I personally believe RF is not and never was licensed, but stating that their lack of proof to the contrary is positive evidence that they're not registered is tricky. I have no idea if Texas law requires a business to turn over its registration number on demand.
The point was that someone who has not read the hundreds of pages involving Mandlebaum on this forum has no reason to believe one side over the other; if they've never frequented Dakka prior to doing business with RF, they're likely just getting all their info on the conflict from RF's Facebook page. If I was going to make a pretty minor purchase from an online retailer that had, as far as I was aware, no history of failing to deliver, and Facebook burn accounts kept trying to get me to read an excruciatingly long thread on some forum pointing out why said retailer was so bad, there's not much of a chance I'd do it. I'd probably just risk the fifty bucks.
None of which is to say, "Aw, shucks, RF ain't so bad." It's more to address the incredulous head-shaking over how people could possibly be on RF's side.
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Post by: mattyrm
 Seaward wrote: MajorTom11 wrote:Easy to forget during all the hubbub, but RF was guilty of things itself:
1. Trying to get Aerethan fired
2. Attempting to recast the french gentlemans products
3. Lying to their customers on multiple fronts, including the HH weekender, who the owners were, and whether or not Daniel Mandelbaum was still connected to the business (he was).
4. Pre-selling items they had absolutely no right, or ability to guarantee, essentially taking 'free money' from their audience by lying about it, as they would have no to purchase said items from RF otherwise.
4. Lying about the owners real names
5. Refusing to provide information that their business was legal.
6. Harassment and outright lies about anyone questioning them.
I think "guilty" is a pretty strong word to use for all but number one and possibly number two - I missed that one, somehow, in this incredibly long thread - but either way, I think you might have missed the point of what I was saying. None of that is going to appear to a non-Dakkaite as anything but your word vs. his word. I'm firmly in the "Mandlebaum did all that stuff," camp, but I've been following this for months now. Someone who hasn't been isn't going to have any evidence either way unless they dive into hundreds of posts, and a lot of it is stuff they likely wouldn't care about. I always thought the HH weekender stuff was pretty weak, personally, for example.
Also not to forget that since they refused to disclose any evidence whatsoever that they were operating a legal company they are formally responsible for Mandelbaums phonebook length list of past crimes and scams.
Not really. If they are in fact not a licensed business, then Mandlebaum would be responsible for Mandlebaum's crimes. If RF is a licensed business and just haven't shown evidence of being so, that doesn't automatically make them no longer a licensed business. I personally believe RF is not and never was licensed, but stating that their lack of proof to the contrary is positive evidence that they're not registered is tricky. I have no idea if Texas law requires a business to turn over its registration number on demand.
The point was that someone who has not read the hundreds of pages involving Mandlebaum on this forum has no reason to believe one side over the other; if they've never frequented Dakka prior to doing business with RF, they're likely just getting all their info on the conflict from RF's Facebook page. If I was going to make a pretty minor purchase from an online retailer that had, as far as I was aware, no history of failing to deliver, and Facebook burn accounts kept trying to get me to read an excruciatingly long thread on some forum pointing out why said retailer was so bad, there's not much of a chance I'd do it. I'd probably just risk the fifty bucks.
None of which is to say, "Aw, shucks, RF ain't so bad." It's more to address the incredulous head-shaking over how people could possibly be on RF's side.
I dont know, I don't think there is much need to equivocate given the evidence personally.
Although, I think that Dan seems a thoroughly splendid chap personally.
I also think that Hitler might have been a pretty good bloke once you got to know him, Fiat make really reliable cars, and the capital of France is Stoke-Upon-Trent.
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Post by: MajorTom11
In the absence of documentation that by definition must be in place, and when the withholding of said documents only damages the people withholding them, one is left with little option but to assume said documents do not exist until proven otherwise.
Is it rock solid? Nope. But at a certain point the evidence becomes overwhelming through both facts at hand and lack of certain facts.
I'm sorry but the rest of the list is either in the so overwhelming and they could have easily dispelled the simple application of evidence that would have been eminently easy to produce. It's not hard to prove you are registered, or that you attended the HH weekender. It's just not.
Is Kim Hernandez her real name? Nope. How do we know? A ton of evidence provided by herself in various slip-ups and forgotten social accounts. It's Stephanie Hernandez. Wife of Daniel Mandelbaum, as indicated by her La Petite Gamine social profile, the obituary note and as sad as it is, the myspace page of a bloody parrot lol.
Did the have the right to promise Fulgrims from an event they weren't attending, and advertise pre-selling them at an unlimited quantity? Nope. That's a lie. Even if they were there it was a lie and it was a lie designed to put money in their pockets under false pretences.
As for harassment, ask people they had the emails of, or anyone who dared ask polite questions on their FB page if that is up for question either.
Sorry Seaward I know you are trying to be the 'voice of reason' and establish legitimacy, but you aren't going to accomplish much throwing doubt on items that are beyond doubt, or grasping onto the 2% chance that despite all the evidence to the contrary the few items that don't have huge point blank final proof are also worth ignoring despite having so, so, so, so much to point otherwise.
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Post by: RiTides
Also don't forget the very purpose of this thread- they had a C&D sent to Dakka when the identity of the owner (Daniel Mandelbaum) was posted.
That C&D was sent from a person/company whose credentials were hijacked. The whole thing has "FISHY" written across it in giant, red, bold letters . And that's without even bringing in any of the owner's past history into it.
And then, when the C&D was posted and Mandelbaum's name was definitely tied to the company name, he supposedly "quit"... yet put his significant other up to doing a video while wearing a mask claiming his innocence.
You can't make this stuff up, and the weirdness stands on it's own merits without knowledge of past shenanigans, imo.
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Post by: Aerethan
 RiTides wrote:Also don't forget the very purpose of this thread- they had a C&D sent to Dakka when the identity of the owner (Daniel Mandelbaum) was posted.
That C&D was sent from a person/company whose credentials were hijacked. The whole thing has "FISHY" written across it in giant, red, bold letters . And that's without even bringing in any of the owner's past history into it.
And then, when the C&D was posted and Mandelbaum's name was definitely tied to the company name, he supposedly "quit"... yet put his significant other up to doing a video while wearing a mask claiming his innocence.
You can't make this stuff up, and the weirdness stands on it's own merits without knowledge of past shenanigans, imo.
Pretty much.
Daniel Mandelbaum, Stephanie Hernandez, and the Resin Forge Facebook Page gave us all of the evidence on a silver platter. All because DM felt for some reason to not just slink away and reappear a few months later like he usually does.
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Post by: Gabriel_angelos
Thing that gets me is why the chap even bothers any more? I mean if this is him trying to run a reputable business and it is then going wrong and him panicking and running, he has had enough swings of the bat by now to just give up.
If it is all a big elaborate internet con (do I have to put allegedly in here?) then he obviously isn't very good at that either.
I mean I know everyone likes a trier and all but seriously, (Mandelbum or whatever his name is) give up, go get a minimum wage job somewhere and get on with your life and save all this. It saves others hassle and saves you the stress.
If you really need all the drama and conspiracy ect then just blame Obama or alien lizards. Life is too short!
To the rest of you, Thank you! Thank you for watching your fellow gamers backs and for keeping this thread going, it gets better by the day!
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Post by: albinoork
On June 27, 9:07 am I posted the following question on Resin Forge's Facebook page, on the thread with the clown from It, "Did the death threat come from a member of the Dakka community or from another source? Can Resin Forge please clarify?"
I can longer view the thread, but as of yesterday there was still not a response.
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Post by: Necros
Probably because the alleged death threat was allegedly made up for alleged sympathy and all in his alleged mind, allegedly.
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Post by: Aerethan
HA!
On a related note, the RF page has been quiet since Thursday. Give it another week before we need to start looking in to any new bits or conversion pop up sites.
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Post by: AduroT
 albinoork wrote:On June 27, 9:07 am I posted the following question on Resin Forge's Facebook page, on the thread with the clown from It, "Did the death threat come from a member of the Dakka community or from another source? Can Resin Forge please clarify?"
I can longer view the thread, but as of yesterday there was still not a response.
I posted a link to this thread in that post but they've got it hidden so you can't see it. Not banned me or anything though.
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Post by: Seaward
MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry Seaward I know you are trying to be the 'voice of reason' and establish legitimacy, but you aren't going to accomplish much throwing doubt on items that are beyond doubt, or grasping onto the 2% chance that despite all the evidence to the contrary the few items that don't have huge point blank final proof are also worth ignoring despite having so, so, so, so much to point otherwise.
I'm not trying to be the 'voice of reason' or establish legitimacy. I'm trying to explain to you that not everyone's going to read fethloads of forum postings to understand where you're coming from, in response to all the, "How can these Facebook peoples be so dumb?" posts of late.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Seaward wrote: MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry Seaward I know you are trying to be the 'voice of reason' and establish legitimacy, but you aren't going to accomplish much throwing doubt on items that are beyond doubt, or grasping onto the 2% chance that despite all the evidence to the contrary the few items that don't have huge point blank final proof are also worth ignoring despite having so, so, so, so much to point otherwise.
I'm not trying to be the 'voice of reason' or establish legitimacy. I'm trying to explain to you that not everyone's going to read fethloads of forum postings to understand where you're coming from, in response to all the, "How can these Facebook peoples be so dumb?" posts of late.
Agreed with this. Yes, there's google, but... This thread is... Long.
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Post by: Monster Rain
Collate the relevant information and put it in a sticky thread.
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Post by: Savagecoyote
albinoork wrote:On June 27, 9:07 am I posted the following question on Resin Forge's Facebook page, on the thread with the clown from It, "Did the death threat come from a member of the Dakka community or from another source? Can Resin Forge please clarify?"
I can longer view the thread, but as of yesterday there was still not a response.
No your Question is still there but remains unanswered
But Interestingly RF are now lamenting the fact that there stuck with the stock ! Didn't they claim the had sold almost half of the stock and had a bulk buyer for nearly all the rest ?
I sense another round of " Were closing due to Dakka Nazi's if you want anything please use our new payment system (unmarked bills in a plain envelope only please ) "
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Post by: -Loki-
 Savagecoyote wrote:But Interestingly RF are now lamenting the fact that there stuck with the stock ! Didn't they claim the had sold almost half of the stock and had a bulk buyer for nearly all the rest ?
They claim a lot of things.
Allegedly.
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Post by: d-usa
At least they can always take it to their next episode of "Guess the owner".
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Post by: Dysartes
That question is still there, albinoork, with one Like, but no response.
MT, might it be an idea to do an easily referenced "Mandlebaum Saga" article, with links to the evidence and posts from those known to have lost out from previous ventures, so people can be pointed at one spot for details? Obviously such an article would need locking down to prevent edits from every Jason, Daniel and Matthew, but it would make it a lot easier for people to see why people around here are so concerned by this person's previous actions and involvement in a business?
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
1.) Yes, next round of whining and new ownership will come up soon, quite probable. Expect offers per PM etc as last times *yawn*
2.) Still no post from AJ on the RF page that his mod rights were revoked - wonder why
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Post by: kronk
Yeah. Until they stop posting and shut down the Resin Forge Store facebook page, they're still selling via PM.
They won't stop while they can make a few bucks off someone.
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Post by: Stoupe
I've been following this drama for quite some time now. I'd first like to thank you all for making me feel better about my life... Drama like this makes me realize how good I have it. Anyways, 1 question...
Inquisitor S. wrote:1.) Yes, next round of whining and new ownership will come up soon, quite probable. Expect offers per PM etc as last times *yawn*
2.) Still no post from AJ on the RF page that his mod rights were revoked - wonder why
How can the stock be a tax write off when the business wasn't a taxable entry in the first place? Wouldn't he need to be a liscensed business to be eligible?
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Post by: kronk
It wouldn't be a tax write off in that sense, no. Dave is naively asking if they'll simply write it off, as a proper business would.
RFS's reply is simply that they're stuck with the stock.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Inquisitor S. wrote:1.) Yes, next round of whining and new ownership will come up soon, quite probable. Expect offers per PM etc as last times *yawn*
2.) Still no post from AJ on the RF page that his mod rights were revoked - wonder why
Did he get revoked?
Back to the stock situation, there are various things Resin Forge could do to off-load their remaining stock, such as to continue selling normally, or to sell the whole lot to another bits seller.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Kilkrazy wrote: Inquisitor S. wrote:1.) Yes, next round of whining and new ownership will come up soon, quite probable. Expect offers per PM etc as last times *yawn*
2.) Still no post from AJ on the RF page that his mod rights were revoked - wonder why
Did he get revoked?
Back to the stock situation, there are various things Resin Forge could do to off-load their remaining stock, such as to continue selling normally, or to sell the whole lot to another bits seller.
yes, AJ's last post in this thread mentioned that his moderator status had been revoked before the "death threat" post.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
yes, AJ's last post in this thread mentioned that his moderator status had been revoked before the "death threat" post.
And as AJ's post still stands now without ANY modification or comment from his side, he is still "active" as mod and person of trust if you wish on RF's page.
Yeah, that happens when "companies" act like RF
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Post by: tiger g
What I do not get is why did they shut down. You made a case and some people stopped buying. But with all of the "support" on their page they could just keep on selling. I would have closed down the facebook page and just keep the website going and selling. (I know the real reason is not people are calling the state for non collection of sales tax they need to hide). If they were legimately selling in the state they could just keep on going and ignore Dakka,
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Post by: kronk
tiger g wrote: If they were legitimately selling in the state they could just keep on going and ignore Dakka,
This is a profound statement, Tiger g.
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Post by: Tibbsy
tiger g wrote: If they were legimately selling in the state they could just keep on going and ignore Dakka,
Bolded the key issue here, we don't know if they were legitimate or not, and that's the kick, because they refused to confirm it.
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Post by: Shepherd23
"Being the now sole owner of Resin Forge, I wish to alleviate all concerns anyone may have. As the transition takes over, only the company name will stay the same, Resin Forge. I will be filling it as my own personal LLC and have had advice about going the DBA route instead. It will take research and in the mean time, the store will stay closed. We will also go ahead and make our UK customers feel safe with a listed phone number as well as a public address listed plainly for all to see. This will allow in store pickup for locals as well as the comfort for our overseas brothers and sisters in the community. "
That is from their FB page. They were not a registered anything. It was an illegal business, plain and simple.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Too bad about that public address listed plainly for all to see too, forgot about that!
Probably instantly dismissed it as a delaying tactic lie, and so it was. Nothing if not predictable on certain things...
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Post by: Ammobunkerdean
So what's his/her next play?
Edit: PM it to me and I will hold it in trust.... :p
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Post by: kronk
THEY will keep posting updates like "We're getting the paper work together" then delay with "Well, we're looking into registering as ___" all the while saying, in the mean time, you can PM me orders...
That's a guess.
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Post by: Enigwolf
I do believe that the threat of legal action through the authorities probably scared them more than a little than they cared to admit. Remember this was barely a few days after we decided that it would be a good course to take.
Oh, and by the way. Hello David Aliasbaum! *waves* We know you're watching us!
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Post by: MajorTom11
Or Mandelbaum is about to, or has already, started a new business under a new name both corporate and as a personal alias.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Honestly I don't know why he doesn't simply make a legitimate company. Make it an LLC and when it goes bust he is in the clear.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
Kilkrazy wrote:Honestly I don't know why he doesn't simply make a legitimate company. Make it an LLC and when it goes bust he is in the clear.
And it keeps his personal assets separate from any legal action. It does however mean his income is taxable, and leave a papertrail. That means that he can be identified as being affiliated with the company without sending a cease and desist letter.
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Post by: Hogun
Sorry double post.
The youtube video of the happy/customer/commission painter, has been made private now.
Plus AJ would think it would be a great idea if you post on the RF facebook page about your situation with them and that while posting in the Dakkadakk forums, it was all friendly and we aren't baby eaters or a Nazi hate page etc.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
Hogun wrote:Plus AJ would think it would be a great idea if you post on the RF facebook page about your situation with them and that while posting in the Dakkadakk forums, it was all friendly and we aren't baby eaters or a Nazi hate page etc.
I don't think that we need to solicit people to go and post about Dakka on our behalf. This thread is available for anyone who wished to read it and I think it shows that we are not just the caricature that has been presented.
(please place the word "allegedly" in any place you deem appropriate )
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Post by: Rotgut
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:Hogun wrote:Plus AJ would think it would be a great idea if you post on the RF facebook page about your situation with them and that while posting in the Dakkadakk forums, it was all friendly and we aren't baby eaters or a Nazi hate page etc.
I don't think that we need to solicit people to go and post about Dakka on our behalf. This thread is available for anyone who wished to read it and I think it shows that we are not just the caricature that has been presented.
(please place the word "allegedly" in any place you deem appropriate )
Thats all fine and good but he still may want to let his case be known on their page, it seems like he said he would be helping out and now hes had his admin rights or whatever removed and people may think a legit person like AJ is the one still posting, and after all the ALLEGED identities DM has taken its probably a good idea to let people know hes not affiliated with them anymore.
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Post by: alarmingrick
Has anyone tried to contact AJ through FB?
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Post by: Dysartes
It may be the case that AJ has made a post regarding his status as a moderator, but that RF pulled it before we became aware of it.
I'm not saying that this has happened, merely that it is a possibility.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
It may be the case that AJ has made a post regarding his status as a moderator, but that RF pulled it before we became aware of it.
Then he *could* still post here or on his personal FB page.
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Post by: Enigwolf
When was the last time he posted here, anyway?
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Post by: jah-joshua
AJ was on here yesterday, in the Exiled Miniatures P&M WIP blog...
seems he's sticking with Dakka, and washed his hands of the RF madness...
not to put words in the guy's mouth, but it seems he would like to forget the whole thing, which is completely understandable...
so, what's RF's next move going to be???
open, closed, selling on the down-low???
is Kimanie just a mouthpiece, or just as insane as Daniel???
just when it seems like they've given up, a week later, it's back to the same BS...
these guys waffle more than a Sunday morning at Waffle House...
cheers
jah
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Post by: kronk
 jah-joshua wrote: so, what's RF's next move going to be??? open, closed, selling on the down-low??? is Kimanie just a mouthpiece, or just as insane as Daniel???
Lots of speculation on your first two questions on the last 2 pages, but my guess was: THEY will keep posting updates like "We're getting the paper work together" then delay with "Well, we're looking into registering as ___" all the while saying, in the mean time, you can PM me orders...
That's a guess.
They'll continue that while they thing there is money to be had with their remaining inventory. Meanwhile, they're probably making a new business, trying to learn from this one and not get caught. As for question 3, I'm not sure. Probably just a mouth piece. A fair amount of the FB posting has Daniel's trademark misspellings, knee jerk reactions, and rage.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
 kronk wrote:They'll continue that while they thing there is money to be had with their remaining inventory. Meanwhile, they're probably making a new business, trying to learn from this one and not get caught.
Might be difficult if they surface with a new venture that has a significant inventory of FW stuff
kronk wrote:As for question 3, I'm not sure. Probably just a mouth piece. A fair amount of the FB posting has Daniel's trademark misspellings, knee jerk reactions, and rage.
And obfuscation, and victim card playing (allegedly)
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Post by: Enigwolf
Original post redacted.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
Not sure how comfortable I am with that comparison
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Post by: Monster Rain
I'm actually not at all comfortable with it, given their alleged criminal activities.
I wish people would stop bringing it up.
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Post by: Enigwolf
...Hence why I used, "kinda like", and not "WE ARE". Semantics, semantics...
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
 Enigwolf wrote:...Hence why I used, "kinda like", and not " WE ARE". Semantics, semantics...
I appreciate you trying to make a distinction between the two groups, but given the hostile attitude that some groups may habour towards Dakka such a comparison may be more harmful than beneficial.
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Post by: Alpharius
Enigwolf wrote:...Hence why I used, "kinda like", and not " WE ARE". Semantics, semantics...
It is best to leave any hint of that kind of stuff out entirely.
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Post by: ProtoClone
 Alpharius wrote: Enigwolf wrote:...Hence why I used, "kinda like", and not " WE ARE". Semantics, semantics...
It is best to leave any hint of that kind of stuff out entirely.
Agreed. I would like to think what we are doing here is more a Consumers Report/Yelp type service for people.
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Post by: Alpharius
 ProtoClone wrote: Alpharius wrote: Enigwolf wrote:...Hence why I used, "kinda like", and not " WE ARE". Semantics, semantics...
It is best to leave any hint of that kind of stuff out entirely.
Agreed. I would like to think what we are doing here is more a Consumers Report/Yelp type service for people.
Right - and just to be clear, what I posted wasn't a suggestion.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
Alpharius wrote: ProtoClone wrote: Alpharius wrote: Enigwolf wrote:...Hence why I used, "kinda like", and not " WE ARE". Semantics, semantics...
It is best to leave any hint of that kind of stuff out entirely.
Agreed. I would like to think what we are doing here is more a Consumers Report/Yelp type service for people.
Right - and just to be clear, what I posted wasn't a suggestion.
A bit off topic but can't there be a special MOD only color put into place so we know when something is official MOD speak as opposed to a MOD being in a conversation. It really would help, especially in threads like this where MODs are so heavily involved.
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Post by: Enigwolf
I've since deleted my own post after thinking about it. Yeah, you guys are right (Particularly Deadclaw69).
OverwatchCNC - I know a lot of mods like to use red to denote that.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
I've removed the now deleted content from my own post too
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
Enigwolf wrote:I've since deleted my own post after thinking about it. Yeah, you guys are right (Particularly Deadclaw69).
OverwatchCNC - I know a lot of mods like to use red to denote that.
I know, I just think something official and universal would be a good addition to the MOD team.
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Post by: MajorTom11
It's red.
See? Don't I 'sound' modly now?
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Post by: Alfndrate
Yes... Especially when I saw the name was the last post in the thread... I I was like, "uh oh... mod voice D:"
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Post by: Art Steventon
So many answers, so little time.... :-D
Going by past behaviour, Datthew Mandlebonder & Kimanie will be posting shortly I would suggest.... wonder what joys they will bring? What new excuse?
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Post by: Alpharius
For me, it is orange - always has been, always will be.
Additionally, I think by now it has to be quite obvious what should and should not be said, suggested, hinted at, etc.
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Post by: Aerethan
Alpharius wrote:For me, it is orange - always has been, always will be.(allegedly)
Additionally, I think by now it has to be quite obvious what should and should not be said, suggested, hinted at, etc.
Fixed that for you.
I wouldn't be surprised if DM already has plans toward a new site. Now what he SHOULD do, is register it legally and operate openly if he's going to try and make this little idea of his stick. It would protect him, as well as any buyers. Then again he should have done that in the first place.
Fortunately, he's not that bright, so his next site will fall as easily as this one did.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
[Mod Kilkrazy] When I make a moderation post I either highlight it with red, or append [Mod] or use one of my morale boosting pictures.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Am I the only one who sees the humor in the fact that the mods discussing how they remind people that they're off topic is, in fact, off topic?
LOL
Eric
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Post by: Monster Rain
You're just not thinking meta enough, MM.
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Post by: MajorTom11
MM you are under a mistaken impression here.
Off-topic is when the conversation takes a turn that no longer serves the topic. A user asked, in reference to a very on-topic and particularly touchy line of thought, how they could know if a Mod was being 'official'. This was clarified by multiple Mods, so that the conversation can continue on under clearer terms. It wasn't off the rails, it was pulling off the road for a second to gas up so the journey could continue.
It is the Mods ultimate responsibility to determine what off-topic is, and I personally dislike it when a user decides to speak with authority about how a Mod interprets the rules. We are entrusted/burdened with the responsibility of making these calls as we see best in order to keep things moving smoothly. When you decide your interpretation trumps ours, it is not only incorrect by definition, it also undermines and diminishes the hard work, time and effort put in. I don't need a thank you from anyone, but I would appreciate a modicum of deference to the team in the only area we should have it, the rules.
I hope that clarifies both the 'gas stop' and also why you may have mistakenly offered some minor disrespect. I know you do the job over in your neck of the woods, I would have thought you of all people would understand how it would be taken.
Now that everything is all cleaned up, unless I am mistaken there has been no real activity for a few days? Some of you are implying communication is ongoing with them and that they are still taking PM orders, is this true?
Also, it goes without saying, our collective bits searching is pretty massive I would imagine, now would be the time to keep an eye out for 'Mandelbaum Type' new bits/conversion vendors. This is not to say any action should be taken or harassment mind, just saying now is the time to be vigilant, as historically it has been less than a month between the collapse of one illegitimate business to the opening of the next.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
My apologies but, both in my neck of the woods and here on Dakka, it is traditionally acknowledged to be a joke/humorous comment and not one to be taken seriously when someone adds a smiley, a "LOL," or something similar. That is why I ensured that I ended the post with one. Monster Rain seemed to have 'gotten it.'
If you think I'd "[decide] to speak with authority about how a Mod interprets the rules" or that I think "[my] interpretation trumps [yours]" you really don't know me or what I'm about. The site staff on ANY site is the final arbiter of the rules and, even if I DID have an actual complaint with their actions/decisions, I'd take it private.
There's no need to call me out and give me a lashing. Just note the "LOL" and see that it's a joke. No disrespect was offered, either knowingly or mistakenly, it was just taken.
I agree, of course, that it is time to watch out for a new endeavor from MandelBonder, but I fear that it might not be as easy. Although he shows a history of inability to learn from his mistakes, my concern is that he eventually WILL.
My suspicions are that he will, at most, move to eBay for a while, keeping as low a profile as is possible. I suspect it will be a while before we see anything as "in your face" as a "company" with a public face.
Eric
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
MagickalMemories wrote:My apologies but, both in my neck of the woods and here on Dakka, it is traditionally acknowledged to be a joke/humorous comment and not one to be taken seriously when someone adds a smiley, a " LOL," or something similar. That is why I ensured that I ended the post with one. Monster Rain seemed to have 'gotten it.'
If you think I'd "[decide] to speak with authority about how a Mod interprets the rules" or that I think "[my] interpretation trumps [yours]" you really don't know me or what I'm about. The site staff on ANY site is the final arbiter of the rules and, even if I DID have an actual complaint with their actions/decisions, I'd take it private.
There's no need to call me out and give me a lashing. Just note the " LOL" and see that it's a joke. No disrespect was offered, either knowingly or mistakenly, it was just taken.
I agree, of course, that it is time to watch out for a new endeavor from MandelBonder, but I fear that it might not be as easy. Although he shows a history of inability to learn from his mistakes, my concern is that he eventually WILL.
My suspicions are that he will, at most, move to eBay for a while, keeping as low a profile as is possible. I suspect it will be a while before we see anything as "in your face" as a "company" with a public face.
Eric
I thought eBay was onto him, or do I just think I read that...
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
I thought eBay was onto him, or do I just think I read that...
If paypal accepts an account operated on Stephanie Hernandez's name, why should ebay not?
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Post by: RiTides
His ebay accounts from his last venture, when he was running Miniature Wargame Conversions and posing as Susan Beasley here and on ebay, are all unregistered now. To quote yakface in the OP:
Each of those is a link, and if you click on them you'll see that 2 out of the 3 received four negatives (the last having 4 negatives as it's final feedback, which is likely what caused ebay to finally look at his accounts and suspend them all). Although he's made the feedback of the first account private (which has 4 positives, 4 negatives, and 1 neutral listed for the last 12 months).
So, using Susan Beasley's information, he was banned, but it is highly likely that he has been using ebay with Stephanie / Kim Hernandez's information since then.
This is actually how it came to light what his real identity is. I assume he either didn't want to use his own name for Paypal, or burned it long ago, and thus had to use relative's. There's only so many relatives to use. So, if ebay catches onto his latest venture, that would likely be a big hindrance to him continuing.
I think the best thing to do would be for anyone who has had dealings with him that he hasn't followed through on, to report him and his newest Paypal email address (which is Stephanie's) to this website:
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
Paypal and Ebay both work with the feds on it, and it's possible they'd shut down his accounts if enough people complained about the new one using Stephanie / Kim Hernandez's Paypal information.
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Post by: Forar
kronk wrote:THEY will keep posting updates like "We're getting the paper work together" then delay with "Well, we're looking into registering as ___" all the while saying, in the mean time, you can PM me orders...
That's a guess.
I assume the pattern holds that in the not too distant future, once all reasonable delays (and a few unreasonable ones) have been exhausted, there will be a sudden and terrible tragedy that will require all time and effort to focus on resolving/coping with, followed by a tearful farewell to the community (I assume DM isn't one to go quietly into the night)?
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Post by: purplefood
No he has been rather undramatic in the past. He just stops.
As though he died or something. The posts just stop. No one ever manages to contact him again. Unfortunately for him he has a rather distinctive style...
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Post by: Kilkrazy
I actually believe in Mandelbaum/Hernandez's claim that there are no dissatisfied customers of Resin Forge.
1. The customer who came on DakkaDakka complaining about RF in April, received a refund or figures -- he said he was satisfied. Probably because RF wanted to head the story off at the pass.
2. Once the story broke, other customers may have been put off ordering, and Resin Forge probably decided to fill the orders they got.
Certainly there hasn't been a pattern of complaints from Resin Forge customers.
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Post by: RiTides
Agreed, because it was caught so early (he always fulfills early orders to build trust). But watching out for the Stephanie / Kim Hernandez email address being used on ebay would be smart, given his feedback when using Susan Beasley's identity there.
Fortunately, ebay only puts up with this kind of thing for a short period... which is why he continues to try other avenues, imo, that are less policed.
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Post by: alarmingrick
I messaged AJ on FB (I borrowed my wife's account). Even if he has nothing to say about RF, I'd hate for him to not come around do to his brief
time with RF. I really don't think he as anything to fear from dakka. Despite what RF and their followers would have others believe about us.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Real quick question - what's the history behind the Mandelbonder nickname?
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Post by: timetowaste85
Went by "Matthew Bonder" for a while, real name is Daniel Mandelbaum. Combine the two and you have Mandelbonder.
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Post by: Tibbsy
alarmingrick wrote:I messaged AJ on FB (I borrowed my wife's account). Even if he has nothing to say about RF, I'd hate for him to not come around do to his brief
time with RF. I really don't think he as anything to fear from dakka. Despite what RF and their followers would have others believe about us.
AJ has been posting on Dakka in his P&M blog (which has some awesome miniatures BTW ) so he hasn't been scared away from Dakka at all.
I think he may have just (wisely, IMO) abandoned Resin Forge, and this thread. It seems he no longer wants anything to do with it. (Again, a wise decision in my view)
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Post by: jah-joshua
alarmingrick wrote:I messaged AJ on FB (I borrowed my wife's account). Even if he has nothing to say about RF, I'd hate for him to not come around do to his brief
time with RF. I really don't think he as anything to fear from dakka. Despite what RF and their followers would have others believe about us.
doesn't seem like he's been driven off...
he's posted a ton of pics over the last two weeks...
just drop in on his WIP thread here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/535935.page
drop him a PM from there...
easy peazy...
cheers
jah
cheers
jah
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Post by: alarmingrick
Well, now don't I feel silly!
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Post by: MagickalMemories
timetowaste85 wrote:Went by "Matthew Bonder" for a while, real name is Daniel Mandelbaum. Combine the two and you have Mandelbonder.
This also explains "Bonderbaum" and "Danmatt" and "Kimanie" and "Stephakim."
As for those speculating how hard it's going to be for him to use eBay; I think you have a point that it's going to get harder. You're right. there are only so many ways he can sign up for eBay that he is eventually going to run out. There are, I think, many ways he can get around that (allegedly). I seem to recall that, on a recent eBay auction I posted, I was allowed to choose from a number of different acceptable payments, a couple of which I was totally unfamiliar with. Once PayPal catches on to him, he only needs to move on to the next payment site.
As for eBay; Do they require any major personal information? A new address is easily achieved, and it's not very likely that they would exclude him just because of his name.
Just some thoughts.
Eric
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Post by: insaniak
Does eBay no longer require sellers to accept Paypal? They did at one point.
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Post by: RiTides
Whether or not they require it (I thought they did, but regardless) most buyers want to pay by Paypal now. If a seller, particularly an ebay seller, is requesting alternate payment that's already a red flag. Might be better served discussing in another thread, though.
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Post by: fynn
Ebay UK still requires Payapl as a payment method. As RiTides said, if a seller wont accpet PP, and wants a different payment method, then thats a red flag.
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Post by: AustonT
At some point my FB account was baned from the RF FB. Now I can't read the comments to thier wahmbulence posts. Time to sock puppet FB. Allegedly I have no idea who Auston Austington is...
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Post by: MagickalMemories
insaniak wrote:
Does eBay no longer require sellers to accept Paypal? They did at one point.
I honestly don't know.
I use Turbo Lister, though, and there are other payment options that I am able to select, besides PayPal, should I wish.
I will have to look into it.
Eric
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Okay. That was an easy find.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html
Allowed
PayPal
ProPay
Skrill
Credit card or debit card processed through the seller's Internet merchant account
Payment upon pickup
Bill Me Later
Restricted:
Bank-to-bank transfers (also known as bank wire transfers and bank cash transfers)
Checks
Money orders
Online payment services: Allpay.net, CertaPay, hyperwallet.com, Fiserv, Nochex.com, XOOM
These payment methods may be used only in certain listing categories
Not Allowed:
Sending cash through the mail
Sending cash or money orders through instant, point-to-point cash transfer services (that are not banks) such as Western Union or MoneyGram
Mailing checks or money orders (except for items in categories specifically permitted)
Paying through bank-to-bank transfers (except for items in categories specifically permitted below)
Paying by "topping off" a seller's prepaid credit or debit card
Paying using online or other payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy
Asking buyers to contact them for additional payment methods
Offering a payment method to some buyers and not to others
Discouraging buyers from using any payment method the seller specified in the listing
Asking buyers to pay using a method not mentioned in the listing.
These rules apply to all transaction-related correspondence between a seller and buyer as well as the listings.
So, yeah... more ways to watch out for MandelBonder.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Resin Forge has sent his followers again, as usual under the guise of just being concerned and unconvinced persons (as usual). This time the puppet/ meatshield is called "Sharkfrom Jawz"
Sharkfrom Jawz
Lol great tank and to quote Dave Taylors site -
"Following a discussion with Matt Bonders from Miniature Wargame Conversions, I knew I had someone who could create my vision in miniature form. Matt pulled together the necessary funds and bought the Baneblade and Reaver Missile Launcher required to put this bad boy together. Although there were a few hiccups along the way, Matt sent the finished tank off to Brandon Palmer of GMM Studios, who put the great paintjob on the tank as only he can do, swiftly, but with a lot of gorgeous detailing. "
Isnt that the same person you have been warning us about?
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LEXICANUM
Sharkfrom Jawz: Ah yes, good warning there, this was indeed done by Daniel Mandelbaum of Resin Forge under his faked identity Matt(hew) Bonder which he then used to rip off people:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/408906.page
We didn't read the source for the picture (it came from somebody else on tumblr) - thanks for the warning
Serves to show everybody including us that just because somebody is able to build nice models he can still be a crook!
Miniature Wargame Conversions - A warning to avoid - Forum - DakkaDakka
www.dakkadakka.com
4:23pm (4 hours ago) · Like · Remove PreviewReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
From what I see he donated that tank to a good cause and the link you provided is the same one that shows nothing at all wrong with his now closed bits store.
I just found it ironic you post a picture of a tank he bought, built then gave away for free.
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LEXICANUM
*shrug* Just because Bonder/Mandelbaum gave something for a charity (if that is true) this does not erase the fact he acted under a faked identity and allegedly stole money from people after bulding his reputation with actions like that. That Davetaylo...See More
7:29pm (about an hour ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
His own site says what I quoted for you....
Dakka also has finally admitted RF has had no problems before it closed down.
Its also not against the law to use an artists name. Authors, painters and other artists do it all the time. What I did see was...See More
8:40pm (35 minutes ago) · Edited · LikeReply
LEXICANUM
Flame you? Or ban you? You mean like everybody asking questions on RF's page? No, we don't do that. We invite you to come to the Dakka thread and take part in the discussion. Suffice to say here that the point was never that RF already had scammed somebody but that the person behind Resin Forge was the same person that owed people lots of money and nerves under the names Matthew Bonder, RedStarOne, Lord.Serpius, Kellz1234, Susan Beasley, Conversion Corner, Miniature Wargame Conversions, Three Stage Studios, Lord.Serpius, Great.Hobby.Bits, Double.Your.Bits and who knows which else names.
All statements saying something else are wrong and exactly this statement was posted multiple times here, there and in other places.
So as said, you are warmly invited to take part in the Dakka discussion.
Be aware that we exactly know how you "don't take sides" and are "unbiased" yourself, we know that you are a firm follower of Resin Forge who was only posting Mandelbaum's statements of the whole issue. So if you want to dance, come clean and don't hide under a disguise of "concerned person" but under your true Mandelbaum allegiance.
Sharkfrom Jawz
Did you just call me a liar when I gave you my honest opinion? Ive seen you chase off your own followers and now you want me chased off as well?
Ive read the dakka thread, ive taken no sides. I dont care what a persons past is, when they offer to make things right and only 1 person comes forward, it leads anyone with a mind to think some of the claims may not be true. MAY is the key word here.
Claiming im a RF follower when ive never posted on that site isnt right of you. Please treat your followers with respect as I have clearly shown you. *Edit* See post below this one.
As for dakka, why would I bother to post there? I was simply giving you some facts you over looked here on this very picture.
9:19pm (about a minute ago) · Edited · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
Commenting on why a shop is closed is not taking sides. You of all people should know that since every post you have made on the topic, youve made it clear, 'you are not taking sides'. Correct? ;P
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LEXICANUM
Liar? About you being unbiased? You only created your Facebook account when RF went down the and all posts you have made on Facebook are just quotes of Mandelbaum statements and here on Lexicanum you just engaged in Resin Forge defence So yep, we don't believe you are unbiased
So as far as we are concerned you can go or stay, it's really up to you But don't try to outsmart us at Mandelbaum's game, it won't work
9:27pm (a few seconds ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
My account is 2 years old. Not a burn account. I simply keep my stuff private and rarely post much.
Are you afraid of facts? It seems so. Posting my FB name on Dakka was not right of you. Please remove it. I do not need harassment from anyone. I was helping you out before someone else pointed out the obvious fact you posted Mandelbonders work.
If I was biased id be here telling you a ton more. Ive taken no sides, even my few posts here on FB have been just facts. I do not spread rumors.
Again I ask you, do you take sides or just report what you read? If the latter, what do I have to do with Dakka? And why post my FB name there.
9:34pm (13 minutes ago) · LikeReply
LEXICANUM Your "facts" were copy/ pasted Mandelbaum statements. All you posted on Facebook about the issue was this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=544004432301984&set=a.470645399637888.98164.464657756903319&type=1
And everything people post publicly on Facebook is well, public
Cheers
9:40pm (7 minutes ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
Facts = The reason they closed down in the exact words they wrote. I offered no opinion and simply spread it to pages I have liked. I did not say if its true or not.
Its hard for you to throw stones in a glass house when you yourself have said over and over you are not biased or taking sides and ive never once see you not take a specific side. You have chased away your own followers on a few occasions and even argued with others like you are with me. Playing the nice guy while bashing me , whos done nothing to you, isnt ok.
I ask again, remove my name from Dakka. You had no right to go post and bash me there while acting polite to your followers here. Let them see the real you.
9:43pm (4 minutes ago) · LikeReply
LEXICANUM
Sharkfrom Jawz: (or Daniel or Kim or whoever else you "are" right now). We know that you have administrator rights on the Resin Forge pages. So just knock it off, you are exposed. But nice to hear that you are well and active, we almost missed you
9:47pm (a few seconds ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
You sure are a character arent you? Refuse to reply to questions and then make more claims. Good for you. Ill go ahead and follow others leads and unfollow your page.
4 minutes ago · LikeReply
LEXICANUM Oh my god! We will cry tears. And lose lots of hair. THis will be SUCH a loss. Possibly we should write an obituary... Just go Mr Resin Forge Admin before you make more a fool out of yourself as you already did *wave*
Ah, almost forgot it: best regards to your wife, how's Morty doing?
9:54pm (a few seconds ago) · LikeReply
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Post by: RiTides
Dave Taylor had a rough experience and long delay on that commissioned tank, but is a class act and didn't want to get into things on his blog. That is by no means a job Daniel should boast about.
And, of course, he took the job as "Matt Bonder from Miniature Wargame Conversions"... Aliases ftw!
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Dave Taylor had a rough experience and long delay on that commissioned tank, but is a class act and didn't want to get into things on his blog.
Was Daniel paid for that? Or did he indeed give for charity?
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Post by: RiTides
I have no idea, really, just that "a few hiccups along the way" is Dave being extremely polite on that charity project... Rather than saying the real trouble he went through with "Matt".
Of course, Daniel can't very well logically go and defend things he did as "Matt"... although he may try
Automatically Appended Next Post: That picture showing a google result of "Sharkfrom Jawz" and "Resin Forge" is pretty damning, too (I just zoomed in to see it in your quote above).
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Post by: MajorTom11
I call BS on him too. If he read the thread as he claimed he would not have given that 'Dakka only just FINALLY admitted RF has had no problems' when we never claimed otherwise in these 87 pages lol... well... other than to question whether the owners were dupes and dingbats or in on it. We got the answer, in on it.
SJ seems like the usual Mandelbaum sockpuppet or an honest guy duped into supporting it without looking into things. 'Don't care what someone has done in the past' also given as idea that he is no kind of 'unbiased'. When you amass a track record like Mandelbonder, no sane person acting in the interest of fairness would be crazy enough to arbitrarily dismiss the transgressions and damage out of hand. A sane person would try to address things, transparantly, and figure out a way to reconcile the past with future intentions, reassuring a burnt community full of victims of one magnitude or another.
Whatever.
AJ at the least seemed a pretty reasonable guy and although he associated himself with these... people... he still conducted himself in a polite fashion, and to my mind at least gave honest effort to really, actually looking at the facts and not being a nutjob about doing matrix bullet dodging to avoid simple facts and their implications. That was worth the time of talking to him. And I am happy for it.
On the other hand this SJ guy seems more interested in baiting conversations under the guise of being civil but then trying to use paltry logic traps to paint Lex as a bad guy, probably not realizing most people at this point have seen more than enough proof to not fall so easily for this kind of crap again.
Mandelbaums: Nothing better to do? Don't you have new identities and a new business to set up lol?
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Yeah, see upated post above, it's Daniel/ Kim again. They really love the word "harass" It's really incredible how dumb they turn out to be with each new instalment. Cheerio
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LEXICANUM
Oh my god! We will cry tears. And lose lots of hair. THis will be SUCH a loss. Possibly we should write an obituary... Just go Mr Resin Forge Admin before you make more a fool out of yourself as you already did *wave*
Ah, almost forgot it: best regards to your wife, how's Morty doing?
9:54pm (5 minutes ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
And now you rip on a dead persons mother? Let your followers see what a real d**k you can be. Im sorry I wasted my time trying to correct you.
5 minutes ago · LikeReply
LEXICANUM
You are still here? Can we interest you in something else? A Horus Heresy Weekender ticket maybe? Little gamines? Facemasks? *lol*
10:01pm (a few seconds ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz You are simply making yourself look like a fool.
2 minutes ago · LikeReply
LEXICANUM Didn't you want to leave? Don't feel obliged though, Daniel/ Stephanie, your fooling around has just assembled the whole mod team at their screens Would you like that we sing you a little song in French?
10:05pm (a few seconds ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
Lol your follower number has gone down by 3 just since you started this little number. Good job! *thumbs up!*
4 minutes ago · LikeReply
LEXICANUM Daniel/ Stephanie, it doesn't count when you use your sockpuppet accounts to unlike a page
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I like especially "dead person's mother" - you can so easily recognize Dansteph once you got them worked up
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
His 'supporters' always say 'I don't care about his supposed past' and then become aggressive and abusive. Sometimes it's probably Daniel, other times its someone he's duped. Maybe they don't care about fraud and other dubious acts as long as they're getting something cool. The first few customers can do ok out of Mandelbaum, because he's just laying the ground to start ripping later people off. Anyone associating themselves with him is a mug.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Howard: that makes them so easy to spot. Hardly any sport anymore :(
I guess he will continue insulting us for a while, after all he didn't get any attention the last couple of days, that is really hard for somebody who needs to j...k off every day to satisfy his narcissistic personality disorder Just a pity that nobody likes to play his games on Facebook anymore. No more meatshields to expend, has to create own fake accounts by now, it goes truly downhill...
Sharkfrom Jawz Sock puppets now? Your just going out on a limb now arent you?
10:14pm (13 minutes ago) · LikeReply
Sharkfrom Jawz
Wow! You made a joke about someones dead mother. I can tell you right now if my mother was passed away and you made a joke like this "I like especially "dead person's mother" - you can so easily recognize Dansteph once you got them worked up" Id be very upset.
You wonder why people no longer care about your posts? Because of that right there.
10:15pm (12 minutes ago) · LikeReply
LEXICANUM
Done now?
10:28pm (a few seconds ago) · LikeReply
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Post by: MajorTom11
I can now confirm that Sharkfrom Jawz is an RF sockpuppet account and is an adminitrator on their FB page. I cannot divulge how I came by the info, but it is solid.
Everyone say hi to Shark Daniel!
Hi Shark Daniel!
PS, the only person continuing to drag your dead mothers name through the mud is you, by using her memory as a tool to delegitimize people who know you and your pathetic MO while you hide behind alias #217. You are disgusting. YOU show some respect to your mother for the love of crap, let her RIP, instead of putting up aliases and sockpuppets to no bloody gain why don't you go buy some flowers and visit her, seriously. That's not a dig or a slur, I genuinely encourage you to stop this insanity you perpetrate for a few hours, and go and think of her, and if your beliefs allow it, offer up an apology for your actions and statements in regard to her. Truly, it is just horrible what you are doing particularly in that regard.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Parrots, sharks... What next? Rats would be fitting somehow
In any case Sharkdansteph has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't want to come to the forum either. Shame, it must be so frustrating to have that unsatiable urge to read about yourself on Dakka and not being able to vent your anger apart from in the comment section of one of dozens of pictures posted daily on the Lexicanum Facebook page... Does somebody know if narcissists can be damaged internally when not being able to make a show?
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Post by: SilverMK2
MajorTom11 wrote:On the other hand this SJ guy seems more interested in baiting conversations under the guise of being civil but then trying to use paltry logic traps to paint Lex as a bad guy, probably not realizing most people at this point have seen more than enough proof to not fall so easily for this kind of crap again.
Perhaps this is the PR guy we were promised a while ago...
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Perhaps this is the PR guy we were promised a while ago...
Oh dear, I hope he is not from Germany and wasn't paid via paypal!
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Post by: RiTides
MajorTom11 wrote:I can now confirm that Sharkfrom Jawz is an RF sockpuppet account and is an adminitrator on their FB page. I cannot divulge how I came by the info, but it is solid.
See above... it's obvious, anyway, though.
Honestly Inquisitor S, I would just ignore him. He thrives off the attention a bit and one more sockpuppet down doesn't really mean much. No one's listening to anything he's saying through accounts like that. And the whole community is now on the watch for him to return with a new venture.
So, no need to engage him anymore, imo.
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Post by: MajorTom11
No, it's him, definitely. Sharkfrom Jawz is Mandelbaum, beyond a doubt, and is an admin of the Resin Forge FB page, and as can easily be seen from the google pic, was just created to stir things up and propogate the idea that we are saying things we aren't while avoiding everything we are.
Keep it up Daniel. It's amazing you don't get bored... making fake identities for no tangible gain must be your true calling in life, most smart people would just go out and get an actual job by now instead of doing this over and over again for years...
See ya next time Sharkey.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Honestly Inquisitor S, I would just ignore him. He thrives off the attention a bit and one more sockpuppet down doesn't really mean much. No one's listening to anything he's saying through accounts like that. And the whole community is now on the watch for him to return with a new venture.
No worries, it's all just fun Daniel himself will lead us to his next venture, zero doubt about that. He seems to be quite apt with his fingers when building models. But clumsy as a not very bright child trying to steal cookies. Don't forget how much we already got him to slip up with by doing exactly what we do. We don't care about his sockpuppets accounts. But every post made by him from different accounts is mapped and contributes to the puzzle
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Post by: Hruotland
Keep it up Daniel. It's amazing you don't get bored
As I see it, this guy has no choice than to continue his pattern. His behaviour and actions hint to serious mental problems. On a level, he supposedly indeed sees himself to be the victim of an orchestrated campaign to ruin his life. On a level, he probably won't even be able to understand that his actions are fraud. You can bet he isn't even capable of empathy: he simply cannot imagine how others feel about his behaviour and actions. Now he is so deeply emerged into his pattern of behaviour, he won't come out of it by himself anymore. This can only end with a catastrophy that either shakes him so much he asks for professional help (won't happen if he has an outright mental disorder) or stops him in other ways.
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Post by: LadyCassandra
Continuing that line of thought, if he does have the serious mental issues it seems he does, getting caught or otherwise put into the system might be one of the best things that could happen to him - if the authorities can recognise that he has a serious mental disorder and give him the proper care/treatment, whether he likes it or not. Does the US have a proper mental health screening procedure when cases like this come up, or will it be more likely that he would get fined and tossed out into the cold? If he is crazy then it's very hard to hold any kind of real vitriol against him, despite his actions. Compulsions are no fun for anybody, least of all the person driven by them.
I don't know if you read this thread, Stephanie. Or even Jason if you're a real person. Please, take a step back and really look at the situation. Is this where you wanted to be? Is this what you wanted out of life for Daniel? There's help out there if you look for it and a chance of a very different future. I hope you take a few moments to read this and maybe do a few Google searches or contact a helpline. I know it can be scary to reach out, thinking people will judge you, but there are lots of people out there who are just waiting to help you, and lots who have gone through the same thing and come out the other side. Daniel can too.
(Sorry if that was a bit off-topic mods, but I think it needed to be said.)
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Post by: wildphilldude
now i wouldn't claim to be an expert, i do have a degree in psychology I've never used it in anger, and i wouldn't want to diagnose someone without talking to them face to face, i think this is more like the Nigerian dating scam. I've helped a few people out with those and the scamer in those will keep ongoing blindly even when faced with the evidence if they think there is a chance they can still gain especially if its not costing them anything. Arguing with us on the internet is probably costing them nothing and if they still makes some sales they no doubt the think its worth it. besides i think right now its a case of trying to prove who is cleverer even if he still fools one person he will see that as a win.
If there is a mental health problem i think just like in the UK in the US you can't be forced to take your medicine anyway so even if he got treatment, he could give up on it and start it all again especially if its a compulsion or addiction.
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Post by: timetowaste85
The mental health program in America is pretty crappy. Trying to get someone with an issue to the hospital is all but near impossible if they don't want to go. The police won't take them unless they are a danger to someone, and ambulances won't bring them in unless they agree. I have a family member with bipolar-schizophrenia and I go through the same song and dance each time. They are not forced to take their meds, except when they are finally at the hospital, and observation after they leave the hospital drops down to monthly visits to councelor. It's not a great system. That said, if help is needed here, and the person in question does need medication and can be convinced to take it and stay on it, it can help greatly. But said person needs to be willing to make the effort themselves. The system only helps to a certain extent. I don't believe in free handouts at all, but I truly feel it doesn't do close to enough to meet the needs of my family member. YMMV. Mods, hope that was general/vague enough answer LC's questions without looking like an attack on anyone. We all know how things can get twisted in this situation, even things that look harmless.
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Post by: reds8n
The concern and well wishing for troubled souls shown by Dakkanauts is admirable indeed.
But I think it best we end this particular diversion so as not to clutter the thread.
Thanks.
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Post by: alarmingrick
Okay, is something going on with the FB page? Maybe it was the talk of our concern about his mental state(not to disobey you Red!), but I just got a call to my house from
Sharky Mandlebonder's "214" #. Weird. Since you're clearly following this Matstefimie, this is your warning, don't do it again. I will not pass messages. Grow a pair, create
an account and say it yourself.
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Post by: Inquisitor S.
Okay, is something going on with the FB page?
No. But in any case Mandelnez tries his utmost to keep away even his own messages in uneditted form from his disciples, therefore he has to try to get his "statements" posted by other channels. You know the procedure to report harassment by phone, Rick
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Post by: alarmingrick
I do! I've done it before, and I'll do it again! My phone just rang again with his inability to comprehend what I typed earlier it would seem.
Daniel, make my phone ring one more time and I will be calling the police. 2nd warning Daniel. There will not be a third.
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Post by: Alfndrate
His buttons, it seems you are pushing them
Man I leave this thread for a few days and all sorts of fun stuff happens.
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Post by: alarmingrick
Alfndrate wrote:His buttons, it seems you are pushing them
Man I leave this thread for a few days and all sorts of fun stuff happens.
But that's just it Alf, I haven't done jack! I was literally checking some Feebay auctions, and then....."ring, ring"!
I just wish he's forget my phone # and remember my email address instead! Much quieter..... Automatically Appended Next Post: I forgot about the Escondido ,Ca. # that he calls from! That # just called, and my wife answered it while I was in the can.
He told her to tell me he was calling to apologize, not fight? He owes others and needs to leave me alone. I've made my peace with
his and my issues and moved on. I will not hesitate to tell others to avoid him though. I will do everything in my power to help anyone
avoid the traps he sets, for them and himself. If you're really sorry Daniel, get help. Professional help. For you and those around you.
Edit:
I started typing this outside, getting ready to cut some wood for some stairs we're making. My wife just came outside a said he called AGAIN!
Really putting emphasis on how sorry he was and that I understand that! She told him not to call again, and he agreed. Daniel, go to the ER.
Put the phone down, go to the hospital. Please.
This sounds like he's possibly setting the stage to start threatening to hurt himself. I seem to remember this during the MWC implosion. I'm
not calling you out Daniel and saying you won't. Actually I'm afraid you really might. That is only going to hurt you and those that love you. Do
yourself a favor and please seek help. I really mean it, not being an ass.
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Post by: Art Steventon
Rick, surely this constitutes harassment? I'd be getting his ass injuncted at the first opportunity.
Does Daniel really not see what he's done? What he's slowly become over the period of a few months?
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Post by: Kilkrazy
While it is amusing to speculate about Mandelbaum's mental health, it isn't relevant to the core topic.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Guys, again, let's drop this mental health business as a point made.
@Daniel, stop calling random people who want nothing to do with you just because they are the only one's you have phone #s for.
You want to do something constructive and apologize for real? How about writing an open letter to the community listing all your former aliases, former businesses. How about a blanket apology and retraction of all your bs accusations such as Dakka making death threats or mocking your deceased mother. How about copping to all of it.
Then, whenever you start a new business, how about notifying ithe community it is you before we find out otherwise. How about showing your registration etc before we ask for it. If all that could be done it would go a heck of a long way to putting a bit of stock in anything you have to say, for anyone.
Other than that, there is no one you can call, no person from your past capable of digging you out of the hole you made for yourself. Stop looking to other people for either help or to put blame on, start doing the right thing by yourself for yourself. No one wants to hear from you on a one to one basis, I assure you, you can't walk over burnt bridges.
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Post by: Lorek
This thread has run its course. There is no new information coming forth, and I believe everyone involved has had their say.
As someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight, I'm going to lock the thread. If anything new comes to light regarding this matter, please start a new thread on the topic.
Thank you.
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Post by: MajorTom11
FYI to the community and those following this thread -
A summary of the history of Daniel Mandelbaum in the wargaming community is here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/538614.page
Thank you for your interest and efforts in this thread!
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