Apparently RF is at work, but the customer service line is not at the same place as the person answering the Facebook questions...

Ben S.
"If you have so much time to answer your customer service line with work.to.do. How is it an inconvenience to answer the same questions here."

Resin Forge Store
"Seriously, last reply for now. Quick answer, because it's not my number and won't be calling me at work."

You don't have to actually say the words "I am a lawyer." You merely have to represent yourself in such a way that a reasonable and prudent person could construe your intent.

I worked as a legal assistant in a law firm where a colleague had a Bar complaint filed against him for simply calling a court and requesting court procedures on filing a request for a continuance as directed by his supervising attorney. The court clerk could have simply instructed him to have the attorney call but chose to make issue with the judge. FYI, what is acceptable practice for legal assistants/paralegals to do differs by court. We had a big meeting about that and a thorough training regarding barratry.

 Breotan wrote:
Hang on a sec... I'm getting confused with all the stuff going on. Has it been verified that this C&D was, in fact, sent by Mr. Mandlebaum? That it is from an actual attorney? Or is it a fake that was sent by someone pretending to be Mandlebaum to troll Yak?

I'm not trying to defend or derail, I'm honestly confused as to where everything is at currently due to all the conflicting statements, theories, and accusations flying around.

1. Yes. Mandelabum confirmed on his FaceBook page that is was sent on his behalf. See 3.
2. It is from a German based security consulting firm called Britcons, that doesn't exist. (No existing addresses, no phone numbers, no business registration in Germany.)
3. No. Mandelbaum has confirmed he had it sent -- he claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

The company here putting up the C&D.
Any legal action taken against yak.
And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Indeed Britcons is a security consulting company (http://infoguys.com/directory/ListingDisplayPrint.aspx?lid=3104) that is not listed at the address listed in the C&D however (nor can that address even be found with google maps). They are not a law firm. True, anyone can send a cease and desist letter, however, sending one does not necessarily mean you have adequately, or even legally asserted or protected your own rights. Sending a threatening cease and desist letter under false pretenses, or for malicious reasons, could even be a crime that exposes you to potential counter legal action. Before accusing someone of breaking the law and demanding action, especially if you are demanding payment, you should consult an attorney.

I don't believe there can be any legal action taken against Yak either, especially as the offending thread has been removed already (when confirmation of the intend of that thread has been given simply by receiving the C&D).

Infoguys allows anyone to make an account and a listing for free.

The Britcons listing is a free one. The webpage it contains no longer exists, having disappeared earlier today after Mandelbaum was confirmed as proprietor of Resin Forge by his C&D sent from Britcons.

The address given given by Britcons in Infoguys is false. That is, it doesn't exist.

Yes, I looked up the address on google maps afterwards and was skeptical of the listing at any rate. I was merely pointing out that it was there (based on the previous posters reply) and that they are clearly (if they ever even existed which I do not believe to be true) not a law firm of any kind so would be a poor choice for sending out a C&D at any rate, especially one like this.

My offer still stands for Kim Hernandez of Resin Forge to call me at work here and discuss things rationally. Daniel(or Jason) knows the number and exactly what my name is. Extension 130.

I welcome a conversation.

Maybe you should call Resin Forge and ask to speak to her.

They have a very good customer support line on 1-214-632-6446. It's open until 9p.m. even on Saturday, and it is a mobile number so there is no chance of them being out of the office.

If she is out today she should be in tomorrow, or Monday.

Mobile number, huh? Quite common for legit businesses to lack a land line........

3. No. Mandelbaum has confirmed he had it sent -- he claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

I wish to add (since RF is constantly mis"quoting" us on this): we did not even mention the content of the C&D as copied (just mocking its bad style and grammar) - we DID say that the text on the now disappeared "lawyer's" homepage was stolen. Just to keep things clear.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
[Mandelbaum] claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

Wut? How does a "legal firm" lose its web site because of an accusation of using boilerplate legal documents? Were they being hosted by Google?

 agnosto wrote:
I don't know if this was brought up before so sorry if I missed it. Not sure about Germany but it is a crime in the US to represent oneself as an attorney and not actually be one, barratry is the term for it.

LOL For some reason, I always think of gross misconduct of a captain or officers when I see that word... LOL

tarlynxeno wrote:

 Empchild wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Do you even have to tell the guy you're recording the coversation? or can't you just say at the end.. "BTW, I recorded this, thanks. I'll send you the youtube link in a few..."

Nope legally you are obligated in the U.S to inform an individual if a call or conversation is being recorded otherwise it can be construed as entrapment.

Actually the laws vary from state to state, although I don't know which state's laws would apply. In NY you only need one of the parties consent to record

You can check your state here to see if you can record your calls legally. In single-party states (almost all of them) only one party on the line needs to know the call is being recorded (i.e. yourself).

 Breotan wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
[Mandelbaum] claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

Wut? How does a "legal firm" lose its web site because of an accusation of using boilerplate legal documents? Were they being hosted by Google?

Lol. I don't think the letter had anything to do with that website suddenly disappearing, as using boilerplate letters is not only legal but quite frequent for smalltime issues. However, even battle-hardened superspy ninja lawyers need to comply with certain legal requirements to do business - specially in a country known for its rather tight regulations such as Germany. Take any action without them and you'll be walking into a world of pain.

 sourclams wrote:
Mobile number, huh? Quite common for legit businesses to lack a land line........

It makes some sense for a 'highly mobile' business to use mobile numbers, although any facilities in the US almost always need a land line for fire regs, i think.

This tool just keeps on like the Energizer Bunny.

Tragic Geek Opera at it's best

Isn't that just how it goes, though. Expose a <redacted by moderator>, get a C and D from them.

This is just... odd in the least.

Please would people stick to the terms of the thread, not to make unfounded accusations?

Thank you.

 Breotan wrote:
Wut? How does a "legal firm" lose its web site because of an accusation of using boilerplate legal documents?

This can happen to "long time security experts"
Maybe Daniel should change his representation from Britcons to Amerifrauds

even battle-hardened superspy ninja lawyers need to comply with certain legal requirements to do business - specially in a country known for its rather tight regulations such as Germany. Take any action without them and you'll be walking into a world of pain.

Just repeating what was said before: In Germany we don't have LTDs and the German equivalent could certainly not have been used for lawyers. Plus if you are not in the lawyer's official list you are not allowed to practice. This added with all the other stupid mistakes he made makes clear there never was any German or any other "lawyer" or consulting. Heck knows why he would pick Germany - whatever his reasons it was about the worst choice (after UK/ US) possible due to our thousands of readers there...

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

even battle-hardened superspy ninja lawyers need to comply with certain legal requirements to do business - specially in a country known for its rather tight regulations such as Germany. Take any action without them and you'll be walking into a world of pain.

Just repeating what was said before: In Germany we don't have LTDs and the German equivalent could certainly not have been used for lawyers. Plus if you are not in the lawyer's official list you are not allowed to practice. This added with all the other stupid mistakes he made makes clear there never was any German or any other "lawyer" or consulting. Heck knows why he would pick Germany - whatever his reasons it was about the worst choice (after UK/ US) possible due to our thousands of readers there...

But Germany is so far way from America, no one will ever know.

Bear in mind, please, that...

A) You don't need to be a lawyer to send a C&D letter. It's just a letter demanding someone stop doing something and telling them that if they don't, you'll take legal action. The letter isn't a court proceeding.
B) The letter never claimed to be from a lawyer.
C) You CAN send one via email. Lots of big companies do, especially in dealing with internet issues/websites They'll use real paper letters if they don't get a response and/or if they feel like it's worth the extra cost and effort.

That all being said, there are still plenty of other things about the letter and the company which are dubious.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Bear in mind, please, that...

A) You don't need to be a lawyer to send a C&D letter. It's just a letter demanding someone stop doing someone and telling them that if they don't, you'll take legal action. The letter isn't a court proceeding.
B) The letter never claimed to be from a lawyer.
C) You CAN send one via email. Lots of big companies do, especially in dealing with internet issues/websites They'll use real paper letters if they don't get a response and/or if they feel like it's worth the extra cost and effort.

That all being said, there are still plenty of other things about the letter and the company which are dubious.

Well I'd hope they'd demand stopping.....

Perfections wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

The company here putting up the C&D.
Any legal action taken against yak.
And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Not according to the person I spoke to who's name is at the bottom of the letter and who owns the domain britcons.com, nor according to any of the european registered companies databases, nor being a registered german company which would have AB AG etc not LTD.

The domain has not been in use by him for around a year, I think it was his previous company no longer active.

I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

Anyone who has had personal experience with Resin Forge or any of its owners (knowing with 100% certainty that they were dealing with those individuals), should ALWAYS feel free to post their experiences here.

 yakface wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

Anyone who has had personal experience with Resin Forge or any of its owners (knowing with 100% certainty that they were dealing with those individuals), should ALWAYS feel free to post their experiences here.

On this note, I'm going to post a statement. Some of it may be opinion, but as I've had direct interaction with Daniel, I feel my opinion is warranted.

Yak(or other mods) feel free to snip out anything that breaches the rules, as I've not edited this down at all other than to remove my personal contact info.


Sunday 5/5/13 I left a comment on the Resin Forge company facebook
page stating that the company was a known scammer, and that I guaranteed
the items would be sent from Texas, as that is where said scammer lives.

Prior to that I had very little(if any) involvement in the Dakka thread
regarding Resin Forge.

At 10:21am PDT on 5/6/13 I was called into the office of my Company
Director. He informed me that a man named "Jason" called stating that I
was harassing him online using company property, and that he had traced
the IP address of said comments to my company(National Vendor). In reality,
he checked my Facebook profile(at the time was public) and National Vendor was
listed as my place of employment, which is how he got that number.

I then explained to my boss the following:
1. I posted a single facebook comment, at home, from my own computer.
2. Facebook does not release IP addresses of those who comment on pages.
3. My comment was in no way harassment, it was a public warning.
4. Dakka post IP addresses are only available to admins and moderators of that
site. They are not publicly visible or accessible.

At about 1:35pm on 5/6/13 "Jason" called again, and was this time forwarded
to voicemail. In that message he left a call back number.
In it he insists that I am harassing him while on the clock, and using
company property.

All of my comments made during that day are unedited on the Dakka thread.
None of those comments were harassment, and most were not even directed at him.

The receptionist for my company then informed me that "Jason" yelled at her,
saying "He's doing it right now, it takes 4 seconds to fire him". She was
quite upset at the calls. After the 3rd call in 10 minutes, my boss informed
"Jason" that we would no longer be taking his calls, and that any further
contact would need to be made by a police officer with a legitimate badge number.

That evening, I proceeded to research a few things, and found a few interesting things.
First, about 90 minutes after the first call from "Jason" the person who we suspected him
of being met with a detective from Dallas PD to file a complaint for internet harassment.
The incident report is 0111735-A. The report lists Daniel Mandelbaum as the complainant.

Secondly, the number that he left for my boss to call him at is the same number that
Matthew Bonder(RSO) left to a person who alleges they were scammed back in 2009, and which is publicly available
on the Bartertown thread that is linked in my post on Dakka. Seeing this, I then confirmed the
caller ID at my office as being from "Michael Mandelbaum", who is Daniels father, who lives at
the same address as reported in the police incident report listed above.

This confirms in my mind that Mattew Bonder was an alias being used by Daniel Mandelbaum back in 2009
when claims of impropriety first started. Resin Forge(who had been accused of being Daniel Mandelbaum)
admitted that the police report I had uploaded to Dakka was indeed made by him, admitting that Resin Forge
is run by Daniel.

Also relevant is the link between Susan Beasley, Daniel Mandelbaum, and Matthew Bonder.
As listed here: http://www.resthavenfuneral.com/obituaries/obituaries-detail.cfm?method=2&id=1738
Daniel admits that Susan is his mother. The evidence linking Matthew Bonder and Susan Beasley was acquired
by others, so I cannot have input on it's validity, but having seen it, it's rather damning.

So to catch up without reading 11 pages-

The sketchy guy whom dakka has been keeping an eye on as he changes companies and names has sent a C&D letter to dakka to stop. Which yakface has posted and removed the earlier post. But it appears that the letter and company it was sent from is as sketchy as Daniel is.

Sound about right?

Odd, through no intent at all this story is all over the internet and everyone linking/pointing to Dakka.

It makes me proud of this group, I could weep...

Keeping fingers crossed that this all works out for the good guys, thanks for keeping it real.

Yep, proud day to be a Dakkian indeed.

So I just realized (after looking at the website) that I almost ordered from them roughly a month ago, but due to the lack of Fantasy models I didn't.

I had no idea at the time that it was Daniel, I'm honestly glad I didn't order...

This has been the most entertaining game law drama thread ever. I actually read every reply for once, it helped me get through an otherwise terribly boring day at work.

Howdy from Dallas,

I know a local lawyer who plays 40k, if someone wants to sue I can see if he is interested.

Update to my thread here;

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/523568.page

I have been paid back in full for my 2 misplaced packages, resin forge have held up to their word and I got my money back.

Please read carefully, my thread does not have anything to do with any accusations seen here. I have tried to be as clear as possible (please forgive me, english is not my first language!)

I would like to say that I am not taking any side here, I just want people to be informed of my experiences.

I am very happy to move on, it was getting hard to work on my sons of horus without having a bitter taste in my mouth, I never expected my ''HOBBY'' to be more than me relaxing and painting my little toy soldiers.

Well at least somebody has had a positive result with RF.
However, I feel its too little too late.

Midget Overlord, I'm glad to hear that Resin Forge resumed communicating with you, and that the problems were finally resolved. I'm glad you posted on Dakka to share your experience and that since then your situation has improved.

 Bloodmagic wrote:

However, I feel its too little too late.

If you lost 200$, I doubt you would think it's too late.

The way things have been going over the past 2 weeks, I didnt think I would ever get anything back.

But I did! yay for me!

 Bloodmagic wrote:
Well at least somebody has had a positive result with RF.

So far as I'm aware, nobody has so far presented any issue with orders from RF that hasn't been dealt with. I've seen two non-receipt complaints online, and both appear to have been resolved. And they have happy customers on their FB page.

Take that as you will...

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Probably not in this case since it hasn't been used to obtain money by false pretences or something like that.

It doesn't matter anyway. Yakface has no desire to involve himself in a civil action against Resin Forge.

The objective of confirming Daniel Mandelbaum as the proprietor has been achieved.

I'm just saying... the more shenaniganery he gets away with, the bolder he'll be.

Eric

There have always been very happy customers and great feedback with Daniel Mandelbaum's past enterprises. He used to have awesome eBay ratings and lots of happy customers. Heck, I was one of the happy customers during one of his other ventures before that company started being accused of no longer delivering on orders.

But there was always a tipping point when lots of people at the same time would report problems and state that they did not recieve delivery or refunds anymore. This has not happened yet with Resin Forge as far as we know and the purpose of the original warning was "Hey, nothing acute going on, but this store is owned by Daniel and here is his history. Nothing has happened yet, but we feel that people should be able to make an informed decision."

Midget: That's my point, it took you 2 weeks to get this resolved. You even stated that you thought you would get nothing back.

I am happy that you got your money back, however, and this is a big HOWEVER. It should never have gotten to that stage. If an online company cannot supply goods sold, which you in good faith have already paid for, you are entitled to a full refund. It is not good enough that your transaction dragged on so long and that you were required to constantly chase things up. It is only because of threads like this that anything was done. RF does not want any more bad publicity. (Remember they are in damage control now)

There are so many warnings about -He Who Shall Not Be Named- on multiple sites, blogs and basically anywhere google looks now, that if anyone was to deal with him/her/whatever in the future, then they are either an idiot or choose to ignore good advice.

Anyway, well done on getting your $200 back. Now head to your local GW store, say your sorry and buy a space marine with it.

I would take a step back and say that the bigger thing happening right now is how legitimate Resin Forge is. 2000+ likes on Facebook and a business model that caters to hundreds of customers is no small thing; further, despite who one of the owners is, the entire operation has not collapsed in upon itself yet.

Resin Forge seems to be a self sustaining operation that won't disappear too soon.

 WarOne wrote:
I would take a step back and say that the bigger thing happening right now is how legitimate Resin Forge is. 2000+ likes on Facebook and a business model that caters to hundreds of customers is no small thing; further, despite who one of the owners is, the entire operation has not collapsed in upon itself yet.

Resin Forge seems to be a self sustaining operation that won't disappear too soon.

Likes on facebook can be bought(as I have it on good authority RF did). Plenty of companies can make fake profiles and sell "likes" in bulk to any random page to feign popularity. No different than forging views on Youtube, for which several major record labels were punished.

And I guess for full disclosure I will post my personal experience with Daniel Mandelbaum:

My involvement with him began in April of 2012 when he was operating under the name Three Stage Studios. He was producing a true-scale terminator kit at the time and I placed an order with him. Over two weeks I did not receive any tracking info and when I inquired about it I was told that he has had more orders than he thought and was running behind. I did receive a tracking number about 3 weeks after placing my order.

My items arrived in the mail and I received everything I paid for. I was truly happy with the product and didn't have any reason to complain.

About two weeks after shipping Daniel contacted me to make sure I received the order, and then he asked me if I would mind giving them a review. At this point there were also a few members of Dakka that were interested in the product and were posting in the thread about Three Stage Studios hoping for scale shots. So I took a few pictures of the models next to some Games Workshop models for scale and posted them on Dakka with a quick review in the middle of May 2012. During this time all communication from Daniel was professional and civil.

About halfway through July 2012 complaints started to arrive about Three Stage Studios on Dakka and I received a new email from Daniel asking me to defend him:

Daniel Mandelbaum wrote:Hello,

Since I am now unable to defend myself and anyone that does defend me on dakka is banned, can you post in this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/463216.page

Please link your review and also I can give you screen shoots of that man/lir showing he got a refund that he asked for today as well as tracking this evening for free models. He is simply attacking me even after it was made clear that threads against me should not be made.

You will probably notice some of the same arguments and tactics that are currently on display on Resin Forge's Facebook site. At the time I ignored the email.

Over the next few weeks it seemed like more people were reporting problems with Three Stage Studios and people were getting concerned. I shared that I had a problem with delivery but that it was resolved in two weeks time (sound familiar?) and that I hope that everybody else gets their problems resolved as well. As more people started to have problems they would link to my original review and state "well, he got his stuff, so maybe there is hope". I started to feel like I had inadvertently contributed to a situation that has left people with money out of their pockets and no deliveries to show for it. I made my feelings known to the community, I apologized for my review and shared my sincere hope that nobody ended up loosing money after reading my review and then deciding to place an order. I asked the moderators of Dakka to delete my original review hoping that nobody else would place and order after reading it. During the same time we (the community) also suspected that Daniel Mandelbaum was also the real name associated with this person.

Shortly after having it deleted by a mod I received new communication from Daniel:

Daniel Mandelbaum wrote: have seen the bs dakka thread.

All I want to say is I have your review saved so removing it to make it appear no one has ever gotten a kit is a waste of time.

In total there are 16 reviews of the kit on the net with over 75 people that have gotten them. I have had problems keeping with demand and have always sent refunds as soon as they are requested over the items.

I am not Daniel, and its slowed of you people to think that.

That is all I will say on the matter.

Good day.

--
Daniel - Three Stage Studios
http://www.threestagestudios.com

Daniel Mandelbaum wrote:http://threestagestudios.blogspot.com/2012/05/customer-review-up-as-well-as-info.html

Im glad I saved your review and pictures before you guys "redacted it".

I wont let dakka make me look worse then things already are. Acussing me of this or that, removing reviews to make it seem like no one has ever gotten anything.. I wont play games like that.

--
Daniel - Three Stage Studios
http://www.threestagestudios.com

I went through legal channels and filed a DMCA take-down request with Google over sharing my pictures (Yes, I pulled a GW, don't judge me since it was for a good cause ) which Google obliged and informed Daniel that any other copies of my review hosted without my permission would face the same actions. After some claims that Google advised him on how to circumvent the DMCA he dropped the subject.

That same other users also started to share reports of receiving phone calls from Daniel that would not stop. Daniel claimed in emails to me that he was the one that was harassed and that he was not the one making the phone calls. He states that he filed a police report and provided me with a link to the report. At this point of time the emails started to get profane, filled with swearing, and are very similar to communications others have shared that they received from RSO in the past. I stopped replying to his emails and that was one of the best decisions I have ever made.

This week I was able to verify with Lexicanum that the address on file for the police report provided to me by Daniel Mandelbaum was in fact the same delivery address utilized by Resin Forge.

I'm not out for blood and my only reason for posting this is to share my personal experience with Daniel and to establish a link between his past actions and current actions. To summarize:

1) I placed an order, had an initial delay. Was resolved within a couple of weeks, everything was good.
2) He asked me for a review, which I provided.
3) 2+ months later people started to report problems with his company.
4) My review was mentioned, and I decided to remove it since I was concerned that I had been used.
5) Daniel Mandelbaum started to send me a barrage of emails which no longer had the professional tone and instead were filled with cursing and accusations.
6) I was able to verify that Daniel Mandelbaum and Three Stage Studios had the same address as Resin Forge.

I still feel bad about the review and every time I see his name surface I worry that there might be people out there who lost money because of it. I still have most of the models sitting in a box , and sometimes I will take them out and start to plan a project with them. But honestly, every time I even hold them I feel sick about the whole mess I was involved in and put them back on the shelf. I just feel like I was one of the lucky ones to get my orders in order to build up orders and support for what felt like an effort to scam others down the line.

 d-usa wrote:
And I guess for full disclosure I will post my personal experience with Daniel Mandelbaum:

Daniel Mandelbaum wrote: have seen the bs dakka thread.

All I want to say is I have your review saved so removing it to make it appear no one has ever gotten a kit is a waste of time.

In total there are 16 reviews of the kit on the net with over 75 people that have gotten them. I have had problems keeping with demand and have always sent refunds as soon as they are requested over the items.

I am not Daniel, and its slowed of you people to think that.

That is all I will say on the matter.

Good day.

--
Daniel - Three Stage Studios
http://www.threestagestudios.com

I assume this is quoted word for word, and that he is (allegedly) stupid??
Or how else would someone claim I am not Daniel, then sign off with daniel...

robo

I am not Daniel.


Daniel sorry ment to say Jeff - Three Stage Studios

Nothing was altered

This are just the kind of things that are typical according to the reports from people who have spoken to him in the past. He appears to trip over the details.

Of course this fits with the current events from the now deleted thread on the Resin Forge Facebook:

RF: There is the Dakka post, look at them pretending that I am Daniel!
Customer: Are you saying that police report is fake?
RF: No, it's legit!
Customer: It says you are Daniel...
RF: Quit trolling.

Or the thread we are actually in:

"Here is a C&D from Daniel Mandelbaum, owner of Resin Forge. He says that your post about Daniel Mandelbaum possibly being the owner of Resin Forge is a lie"


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Bloodmagic wrote:
I am not Daniel.


Daniel sorry ment to say Jeff - Three Stage Studios

To be fair, my original PayPal payment went to Daniel Mandelbaum, and all his emails to me from Three Stage Studios were always signed Daniel.

Remember that prior to Three Stage Studios we only knew of RedStarOne and Matthew Bonder and nobody had any reason to be concerned about anybody named Daniel Mandelbaum. His police reports and a few other things during that affair brought everything full circle and finally allowed the community to attach a real name to all his enterprises. Prior to that we were going fake names and online handles.

 d-usa wrote:
Since I am now unable to defend myself and anyone that does defend me on dakka is banned, ...

I particularly like this bit... He made a similar claim on his Facebook when the Resin Forge silliness started up, that we just banned anyone who had anything positive to say about Resin Forge.

So far as I am aware, nobody has ever been banned from Dakka for saying something positive about Daniel, Resin Forge, Three Stage Studios, or any of the other various names or businesses that have been linked to him. Even if some of the more vengeful mods were to feel the temptation to squash views that differ from the apparent majority (and lets face it, given that we're all fascists, that's just to be expected), Yakface would just go all reasonable on them and send them to the woodshed again.

It doesn't happen. It has never happened. If anyone has been banned, it's for inappropriate behaviour (I seem to recall that there might have been one or two that fit that category during the MWC fiasco), not just for having nice things to say about one of Daniel's business ventures.

 insaniak wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Since I am now unable to defend myself and anyone that does defend me on dakka is banned, ...

I particularly like this bit... He made a similar claim on his Facebook when the Resin Forge silliness started up, that we just banned anyone who had anything positive to say about Resin Forge.

Which is part of the reason I shared my story, just so many parallels:

Then: I had problems not getting something, finally got everything I ordered within two weeks, problem resolved. Two months later orders stopped being filled.
Now: Somebody had problems getting something, finally got everything he ordered within two weeks, problem resolved. (So I guess the timer starts now?)

Then: I can't defend myself and anyone that does defend me on dakka is banned.
Now: I can't defend myself and anyone that does defend me on dakka is banned.

Then: I'm filing police reports!
Now: I'm filing police reports!

Then: Multiple emails that escalated in frequency and amount of cursing involved.
Now: Reports of multiple emails that escalate in frequency and amount of cursing involved.

People can make of that what they will. Just reporting the facts as they happened to me in the past and what I am watching right now.

There wasn't That much cursing in the emails he sent me...

 AduroT wrote:
There wasn't That much cursing in the emails he sent me...

There should not be ANY swearing in business emails. It's the easiest way to discredit the conversation as hostile. Most customer service lines hang up if the caller swears.


He swore at great length in the emails which is highly unprofessional. Then again harassing someone at work for things said on facebook is highly unprofessional.

Neither Daniel nor anyone claiming to be involved in RF has contacted me since I verified the caller ID as well as police report, even when I invited them to call or email(Granted Daniel himself is not to call my office as was made very clear to him by the company director).

Resin Forge has published a customer services number, which is actually only a mobile phone.

It would help restore confidence in the company if they would publish their legal business registration details.

Hazarding a guess on the behavior, possible narcissist?

Experiences / behavior that would indicate one:

Any negative comment would be considered a personal attack.

No empathy, some level of contempt for how "stupid" we are falling for the same tricks but at the same time upset that we are not falling for the same tricks (does not like trying to come up with a new method).

Start off ingratiating themselves to get what they want and eventually intimidation as the go-to method if losing control of the situation. Ignoring direct contact from them IS the best method dealing with the individual ANY reply provides more incentive to bug you for more attention and attempts to "punish".

Need for an audience (to feel important, narcissistic supply) but in this case public opinion is turning, causing desperation/anger/fear being "found out" = self image under threat.

Win at all costs mentality: the fabulous TFG label we bat around a bit. Trying to use someone's employer to get at the person is a "shock tactic" it lends some credibility because really, what normal person would do that unless REALLY upset. It is only another tool in the tool chest.

This forum is perfect for shutting down a narcissist (if he is one, I will place my bets) the hope is to keep us separate and he can manage us individually, failing that, hope to remove the rallying point (C & D) and the final option is establishing his credentials again under another disguise.

Just bringing up this "conjecture" because I have quite a few personal examples in my life of this type of person.

Support each other, chances have been given, no longer give benefit of the doubt: he is counting on it.

Long time lurker around here, first time actually registering and posting. After 12 pages of reading I have all kinds of people I want to respond to. If the mods have issues with anything said below I take no offense, edit away.

Before we begin, a caveat. I am not a lawyer. I received my degree in Journalism from a fine University in the Rocky Mountains. I extensively studied free speech law because it was of particular interest to me as a journalism major. Since then I read case law for fun. I enjoy Supreme Court findings in my spare time. I look over the Supreme Court docket annually looking forward to cases that will be important to me as a gamer and a journalist, and sometimes important to me for the schaudenfreude. This obsession with case law has been called crazy, and I am seeing a therapist. Without further ado, I will begin working over the "Quote" button contained on this screen.

Doctadeath wrote:HBMC, victims could use PMing and other methods to organise a class action against this.

I do not know the rate at which these alleged cons have taken place, but a multi-state class action lawsuit (which we're talking about here unless each person allegedly scammed was in the same location as the scammer) requires an amount in controversy over $5 million or so US dollars. That's a lot of scratch. Despite it seeming like every time you open the newspaper there is a new class action lawsuit, getting a class certified to sue as a class is an incredibly difficult thing to do.

Dicey wrote:A C&D needs to be signed by a Judge. This is fake.

Sadly, this is not accurate, which I believe was pointed out earlier. A Cease and Desist letter is not a legal document. If you felt like a writing a C&D to someone you could. I'd recommend fewer typos than the one in this case, but that is neither here nor there. A Cease and Desist's purpose is for an allegedly aggrieved party to inform the alleged perpetrator that he/she/they/it has, proverbially, "hurt their feelings," and if remedy is not taken to make them feel better, they will sue.

E-mailed C&D's are a common tactic in the internet age, but they are not recommended if you plan on actually seeking legal remedy if your demands are not met. There are far too many things that can go wrong. Here's some to think about if you decide to e-mail a a C&D to someone who then doesn't comply, and says they never got it. All of these excuses have appeared in court.

"Your honor, must have gotten caught in my spam folder."
"Your honor, that's a shared e-mail, I never saw that one."
"Your honor, I have a printed copy of that e-mail that says I got it just yesterday, how was it sent nine months ago?"

Do you see how e-mailing a C&D could be a bad idea? Even sending e-mail requesting a return receipt doesn't cover your bases. Most e-mail clients now provide a pop-up. "Return receipt requested; send?" I click no...every...single...time.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Those owed money by Daniel/Mattew/RSO/etc need to put together some sort of report to the police. It's the only way anything will be done. If the police don't seem much help generally, it could be pursed through claiming mail fraud which I think is taken quite seriously in the US. There's a wealth of evidence to aid in identifying him and ensuring he can be found for contact by relevant bodies. I absolutely think that the incident of harassing someone at work should be rolled into any sort of group claim.

If he isn't tackled through the correct channels, we'll be seeing this again in a few months. If he closes ResinForge he'll start something new in the very near future.

Howard has nailed the proverbial nail on the head. Herein though we have an issue. If you made a purchase from a company that allegedly is committing fraud, you have to know where they are, and who they are, in order to file a police report. If you know who they are, and where they are, you now need to file two separate police reports. First, you need to file with your local police department. Then, you need to file with the local police department in the city where the perpetrator is located. Neither police department wants to take your report though, because your report will not stop a murderer, jail a drunken driver, or solve a giant drug bust. You must be persistent. You must find the detective to talk to and you must insist they take the report in your home town. Then...you must get the report number.

Got all that?

Good. Do it again, in a different jurisdiction, potentially hundreds or thousands of miles away from where you are at. Find the right detective. Insist he take the report. Tell him you've filed locally. Give him that police report number. Give him the name of the detective assigned to your case. Get the new police report number. Call the detective in your home town and give him that number, and the name of the detective assigned to your second case.

Now that you've done all of that, share the name of the detective you spoke to in the city of the alleged perpetrator. Hand out his contact phone number to ANYONE else who may need to make a report. Make sure they follow all the other steps before calling this poor detective, because he's about to get overworked. When he has the name of the same alleged perpetrator in front of him a second time, a third time, a fourth time...then he'll start looking for the guy.

Now, call the Postal Inspectors - 1-877-876-2455. Report Mail Fraud. A single count carries a maximum sentence of $250,000 and one year in jail.

Saldiven wrote:If you can track down a physical address for him, you could try filing a case against him in small claims court. It's really not all that difficult or expensive. Additionally, any expenses you incur can be included in the award. Typically, depending on the local and state fee structure, the filing fees are between $100 and $150. The forms are also simple enough to do without having a lawyer. Just make sure you can document the damages you are claiming, because that'll be one of the first things the judge asks to see.

The negative is that collecting on the debt after the judgement. There are fun things like garnishing bank accounts or filing a FiFa lien, but sometimes they're more work than is worth the money involved. Also, the judgment could be avoided through personal bankruptcy.

Though, that being said, collecting on a FiFa lien can be a lot of fun, in a deeply vindictive sort of way.

Unless you live in Texas filing a small claims court case will most likely prove to be unwieldy and costly. There are no Federal Small Claims courts, so the normal rule of "court case involving parties in two states" doesn't apply here. You would have to file in the small claims district in which the defendant lives. You would then have to travel to Texas to be in court to testify, present documentation, and hope that the other party hasn't done something to cause you to have to travel to Texas a second time; file a last second extension, perhaps?

Aerethan wrote:Likes on facebook can be bought(as I have it on good authority RF did). Plenty of companies can make fake profiles and sell "likes" in bulk to any random page to feign popularity. No different than forging views on Youtube, for which several major record labels were punished.

Likes on Facebook can be purchased in far less nefarious ways as well. We've all seen Facebook ads on our profile, the targeted ads that make you go "How do they know I like that Warhammer stuff?" Well, if you've told them you do, people who advertise on Facebook can use that information. The company I work for put $500.00 in a Facebook advertising campaign, and targeted the ad we designed at users who had "Liked" the product pages for any product we sell, and added targets for users who "Liked" the page of any competition we had within 20 miles or so. Our $500.00 bought nearly 2,000 likes for the company page, from as far away at Bharain and Seoul. Facebook likes mean very little, as you were pointing out.

Guildsgjg wrote:Anyone considred filing a friendly notice to the Texas State Attorney General with a brief rundown on some of the questionable activities that have taken place? Doesn't cost any money and at the end of the day, who knows they may take action against the company at no cost to dakkanauts.....

This is a fine idea. Since the physical location of the alleged perpetrator is, as far as I can tell, unknown, just fill these out the best you can.

Texas Attorney General - Consumer Complaint Division
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/complain.shtml

Better Business Bureau - Dallas, TX.
https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started

The phone number provided by the alleged scammers is a Cingular Wireless cell phone in Grand Prarie, TX. According the BBB, that would be handled by the Dallas office. Of course, the website is registered in the UK, so the BBB may not take your complaint. If you happen to have skin in this already and want to put another $15.00 into it, you might be interested in this link.

http://www.phonemessagepro.com/tel-results.php?num=214-632-6446

Finally, judging from the website of the alleged scammers, it would appear that many of you probably paid them through PayPal. Well, it turns out that PayPal, as well as taking your money in fees from you hand over fist, is also pretty good about following those pesky laws regarding real identification in order to avoid money laundering. I would be willing to bet that if enough victims went through the process of pestering local police department detectives, both their own and the police department near the alleged scammer, and made sure to include "I sent money through PayPal to this address..." that eventually the cops in Texas would get a court order to force PayPal to provide that identification information.

That seems worthwhile.

With that, I sign off. I am more a lurker than a poster everywhere I visit, but I was moved to join Dakka and leave this information. As I said before, mods, feel free to cut, paste, crush, mash, or remove anything you feel like.

Zep

Likes on Facebook can be purchased in far less nefarious ways as well. We've all seen Facebook ads on our profile, the targeted ads that make you go "How do they know I like that Warhammer stuff?" Well, if you've told them you do, people who advertise on Facebook can use that information. The company I work for put $500.00 in a Facebook advertising campaign, and targeted the ad we designed at users who had "Liked" the product pages for any product we sell, and added targets for users who "Liked" the page of any competition we had within 20 miles or so. Our $500.00 bought nearly 2,000 likes for the company page, from as far away at Bharain and Seoul. Facebook likes mean very little, as you were pointing out.

I didn't see evidence that likes were bought. Much more probable that he used his "Like" associations and showcasing in big forums (Bolter and Chainsword for example) and that his conversions were featured or liked or re-shared by big names (Aaron Dembski Bowden for example) and smaller pages (Lexicanum and diverse Painting Services for example).

I don't have a horse in this race and have been watching because I enjoy reading the legal gymnastic threads and getting a primer on law and copyright information, but I have to post here just to say that you, TheZeppo, are a legend. That's probably the best info post I've seen in one of these topics for a while. Kudos and Exalted. (Good for your first post!)

Hope you keep posting.

 midget_overlord wrote:
Update to my thread here;

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/523568.page

I have been paid back in full for my 2 misplaced packages, resin forge have held up to their word and I got my money back.

Please read carefully, my thread does not have anything to do with any accusations seen here. I have tried to be as clear as possible (please forgive me, english is not my first language!)

I would like to say that I am not taking any side here, I just want people to be informed of my experiences.

I am very happy to move on, it was getting hard to work on my sons of horus without having a bitter taste in my mouth, I never expected my ''HOBBY'' to be more than me relaxing and painting my little toy soldiers.

I'm glad that you've reached a resolution with them - count yourself among the lucky few there.

By my accounts, Daniel still owes me $235.

I've emailed Resin Forge to ask for this amount because they have directed anyone with outstanding claims from Daniel Mandelbaum (verified owner/part owner of Resin Forge) to do so.

Daniel knows all of these details, but I've spelled them out again in my email to Resin Forge, just in case.

Now all I get are replies, asking me to call into the 'Customer Service' number.

On the off chance that Daniel has lost my phone number, I'll have to go pick up a burner phone for this, as anyone who has dealt with him in the past knows the volume of calls you'll then be receiving back, at all hours, is rather staggering.

Bottom line - no resolution yet.

4+ years and counting!

The best thing to do if you're gijng to call is to take some notes like time call started, time call ended, notes from the phone conversation, and then take all those things and out them into an email. I do this with clients when I have to call them about my company's software. It gives you a paper trail, and in the business world kind of shows that you were paying attention. In this case it also gives you a paper trail so future claims of "he never said that" can be more easily disproven than a he said shr said. Also it does give the added benefit of having a record of the conversation without recording the call.

And alph burner phone info incoming via pm

It is a bit strange that they find it more suitable to deal with detailed complaints by phone rather than in writing.

If you did ring them, you should record the conversation to have proof of what is said.

It's probably harder for most to record a call than to keep a letter. Or that's their belief.

@ResinForge, phone is useless. Unless it is in writing, with names, dates and addresses on it, either with your registered business info or your personal info, your customer has absolutely no guarantee anything said in conversation is solid.

Neither do you for that matter.

The phone opens up too many doors for harassment and time wasting. If you really want to be on the up and up, your clients need to get it in writing. Anything else is just talk.

If you don't have a recorder, you can keep written notes.

It is a good policy in any long-running dispute such as this one to keep a clear record of all communications.

@KC this was discussed a bit earlier, though this would seem the common sense sensible thing to do, apparently recording conversations in many states, even when informing the 2nd party is considered entrapment or could be. This is why in writing, besides being the most accurate, is also the safest for both parties.

You would then have to travel to Texas to be in court to testify, present documentation, and hope that the other party hasn't done something to cause you to have to travel to Texas a second time; file a last second extension, perhaps?

This part you can do over the phone 99% of the time.

I have done so twice; once from VA to AZ and another from NE to AZ.

I do agree it's a lot of work, but there is another thread with a concerted push by members of this community to get their items back. They have found a Detective in the area of the person in that thread and it appears to be moving forward. I'm not saying this will be the case here but, where there's a will, there's a way.

The gaming community is a solid one and the people in it watch each other's back's very well.

RF kind of reminds of the guys that tried to start up that deep discount pre-order thing several months/couple of years ago.

MM and Alph would know who they were..... Gobbo Games or something?

 WarOne wrote:
I would take a step back and say that the bigger thing happening right now is how legitimate Resin Forge is. 2000+ likes on Facebook and a business model that caters to hundreds of customers is no small thing; further, despite who one of the owners is, the entire operation has not collapsed in upon itself yet.

Resin Forge seems to be a self sustaining operation that won't disappear too soon.

I found a place that sells 1k Facebook likes for $109.99 in less than 3 minutes. Just google "purchase Facebook likes"

Likes on Facebook are meaningless.

JWhex wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
I would take a step back and say that the bigger thing happening right now is how legitimate Resin Forge is. 2000+ likes on Facebook and a business model that caters to hundreds of customers is no small thing; further, despite who one of the owners is, the entire operation has not collapsed in upon itself yet.

Resin Forge seems to be a self sustaining operation that won't disappear too soon.

I found a place that sells 1k Facebook likes for $109.99 in less than 3 minutes. Just google "purchase Facebook likes"

Likes on Facebook are meaningless.

Dude... you have $5?

http://fiverr.com/gigs/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=Facebook+likes&x=0&y=0

I found a place that sells 1k Facebook likes for $109.99 in less than 3 minutes. Just google "purchase Facebook likes"

Possible, possible. But very often this fake likes come from Asia or one geographic region, so a quick analysis of the likes reveals it. Here that is not the case.

Look at it:

Stand: 07.05.2013
Land Anteil
Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika 1176
Großbritannien (UK) 707
Kanada 73
Australien 70
Italien 36
Deutschland 32
Frankreich 28
Spanien 24
Schweden 10
Mexiko 9
Niederlande 8
Griechenland 8
Dänemark 7
Polen 5
Brasilien 5
Japan 5
Malaysia 4
Argentinien 4
Neuseeland 4
Ungarn 4
Thailand 4
Indonesien 3
Singapur 3
Belgien 3
Türkei 3
Schweiz 3
Rußland 3
Österreich 2
Puerto Rico 2
Bulgarien 2
Portugal 2
Venezuela 2
Kroatien 1
Guatemala 1
Svalbard und Jan Mayen Islands 1
Kolumbien 1
Vereinigte Arabische Emirate 1
Marokko 1
Costa Rica 1
Serbien 1
Tschechische Republik 1
Panama 1
Rumänien 1
Afghanistan 1
Irland 1

That is entirely feasible without buying likes. Alone in my "friendlist" on Facebook I STILL have 44 people liking the store page

I think I am supposed to ban you now or something lol...

I think I am supposed to ban you now or something lol...

Me? Why?

Your post doesn't blindly condemn ResinForge without regards for the facts. Apparently, according to some, that means you get instabanned from Dakka lol

Your post doesn't blindly condemn ResinForge without regards for the facts. Apparently, according to some, that means you get instabanned from Dakka lol

Well, although a majority of people does regard the Inquisition as an institution that does not ask questions, the truth is more on the opposite side. We ask lots of questions And if somebody comes up and tells us that Daniel Mandelbaum has just turned into a chaos spawn and wreaks havok in downtown Dallas we would still have to try to find out if that was really true.

The blind claims that the Likes here were simply bought do not reflect reality. We were witnessing first hand how Resin Forge got their name and shop spread all through the 40K Facebook groups and communities.

I'm still a little uncomfortable with their fb page being so ready to creep your page, Lex, and not redact my last name in a screenshot where they accuse you of having taken down their "lawyer" page and imply it was some weird ninja hacker move and in fact not just you being a good citizen. :S


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...then again though, considering the brash behaviour they give off I shouldn't be surprised they're a little rough around the edges in this matter.

I'm still a little uncomfortable with their fb page being so ready to creep your page, Lex, and not redact my last name in a screenshot where they accuse you of having taken down their "lawyer" page and imply it was some weird ninja hacker move and in fact not just you being a good citizen. :S

Sorry. I assume this is just part of the terror tactics to intimidate people - as usual. You should actually walk up to FB and tell them that Resin Forge used a screenshot with your name without your consent - that should take care of that quite quick

Hey guys. Been following the thread and would like to toss some thoughts out there. In the past when he was caught by the community was anyone ever able to charge him or make anything stick? Secondly, it does seem odd that he now puts up this kinda've a fight after being outed again. On the surface the answer seems simple. However I think there is something more at work that is forcing his hand to defend and fight this off.

It's easy to get a bunch of legit likes; just publish a contest, offer to give something away free to one of the next 100 likes then run a sock puppet account that "wins". Not saying that's what's been done here.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

I'm still a little uncomfortable with their fb page being so ready to creep your page, Lex, and not redact my last name in a screenshot where they accuse you of having taken down their "lawyer" page and imply it was some weird ninja hacker move and in fact not just you being a good citizen. :S

Sorry. I assume this is just part of the terror tactics to intimidate people - as usual. You should actually walk up to FB and tell them that Resin Forge used a screenshot with your name without your consent - that should take care of that quite quick

They don't have the greatest options for what this is but I've done just that. I was cool with you using my name because we're friends, but when somebody who is out to get you and seemingly everyone around you, I gotta be careful, I'd rather not have their angry guns pointed at me more so than they already are.


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 Bikeninja wrote:
Hey guys. Been following the thread and would like to toss some thoughts out there. In the past when he was caught by the community was anyone ever able to charge him or make anything stick? Secondly, it does seem odd that he now puts up this kinda've a fight after being outed again. On the surface the answer seems simple. However I think there is something more at work that is forcing his hand to defend and fight this off.

You mean like genuine fear of consequences coming his way if the allegations turn out to be true? Perhaps.

 Bikeninja wrote:
Secondly, it does seem odd that he now puts up this kinda've a fight after being outed again. On the surface the answer seems simple. However I think there is something more at work that is forcing his hand to defend and fight this off.

I can tell you why that is. On the first/second cases, he more or less got away with things as RedStarOne, and was eventually revealed as a Mr Matthew Bonder, a complete alias. There was no chance of his proverbial chickens coming home to roost, as nobody knew his actual identity. He lost a few ebay accounts, but there was nothing to tie him personally to any of it.

The next time he came back, he was fronting Three Stage Studios as an indie model company, a member of a high profile blogging group, and another ebay seller. Eventually all three were corroborated by the internet community. Daniel attempted to salvage one of the account by linking it to the name of another identity, 'Susan Beasley'. But the evidence he was using to do so circuitously tied back to him, and in his struggles to try and salvage that account, he gave us the tools to identify him personally.

As soon as we definitively knew who he was, he dropped it and ran. Because he did that so quickly, whilst those intimately involved with the case remembered his actual name, the online community in general did not. The speed at which he disassociated himself and vanished made it difficult to nail him for any of the many frauds he had committed by that stage(I can say that definitively, as I was one of them).

Unfortunately for Daniel, he'd come to rely too much on the money he gets by scamming people, and not learning anything, he launched his resinforge identity even as his last one was collapsing. But the difference this time, is that it is now widely known and disseminated as to exactly who he is. We know who he is, where he lives, his phone number, his immediate family, and so on.

This time, there is no disassociation. We know who he is, and where to find him. Thankfully, we identified him this time before he started scamming people again. The same old problems and excuses had begun to crop up, but like his previous identities, Daniel was trying to build a good reputation before making off with his proverbial bag of swag, so as to guarantee the maximum amount taken.

But now that can't happen. He refunded the people with the original problems straight away to try and save this facade of his. And his reputation is already ruined, because he's been outed.


His problem now is that if he does scam anyone at all, his details are more or less there for anyone to see. His only hope is to try and suppress those details, and come back with a new identity in six months. So he's been doing everything within his power to try and remove anything linking him to this company and his past rep, and failing miserably. He's also given us even more ammunition in the process.

If he hadn't tried to defraud me of my own cash at one point, I'd probably feel sorry for him by this stage. He's just had the better part of six months hard work building up rep again ruined, and he hasn't gotten to run off with anyone's money.

 agnosto wrote:
It's easy to get a bunch of legit likes; just publish a contest, offer to give something away free to one of the next 100 likes then run a sock puppet account that "wins". Not saying that's what's been done here.

Or even just give those prizes as promised. Just because the prizes are real does not mean that that the business need remain legitimate.

*Shrug*

I have never ordered from him, nor am I likely to.

Some of those names... are definitely familiar, though.

The Auld Grump

In regards to testifying in Small Claims Court via telephone.

TalonZahn wrote:This part you can do over the phone 99% of the time.

I have done so twice; once from VA to AZ and another from NE to AZ.

This is a case of check local and state jurisdictions. I have never had to file in Texas and do not know if you can phone testify in Small Claims Court there. Looking over Title 2, Subtitle A, Chapter 28, Subchapter A of the Texas Government Code did me little good as well, because they use the word "appear" repeatedly, and in some states "appear" has been taken to mean "make yourself available to the judge and/or jury to testify, whether that be by Skype, telephone, or actually appearing, and in some cases it means "stand your butt in front of the judge." If someone feels like giving that a better reading...here it is.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/GV/htm/GV.28.htm

If anyone is thinking of filing a small claims case I would call someone with Texas Young Lawyers and ask two questions.

1.) Can I appear over the phone to testify?
2.) Can you be my authorized agent to file the case, and what will it cost?

http://www.texasbar.com/Content/NavigationMenu/ForThePublic/FreeLegalInformation/ConsumerTenantRights/HowToSueinSmallClaimsCourt.pdf

If you can testify over the phone, you will still need an authorized agent in the state of Texas to hand deliver the original complaint to the county courthouse. Remember to include the amount that costs in the damages you are seeking.

Inquisitor S. wrote:I didn't see evidence that likes were bought. Much more probable that he used his "Like" associations and showcasing in big forums (Bolter and Chainsword for example) and that his conversions were featured or liked or re-shared by big names (Aaron Dembski Bowden for example) and smaller pages (Lexicanum and diverse Painting Services for example).

In some ways I feel like a babe in the womb, I had no idea I could just go buy Facebook likes for $5. When I made my original post I used the term "buy" to mean "paid for advertising", and shared a story about the company I work for. For some people that's "buying" likes and for other people that's not, it's just advertising. These silly games we play are popular the wide world over, so building a targeted ad could get you a result like the one you have noticed.

More than 270,000 people have listed the term "Warhammer 40k" in their interests. It's really easy (thanks Facebook!) to build an ad that only those people would see, and because the game is played world wide get a "Like" list similar to the one posted earlier. Is that buying likes? Is that just smartly advertising your business? To me, if the new "Like" didn't come from an organic source, you "bought" that like. Organic sources, for this purpose, are friends of people who have already liked your Facebook page, and now those friends are discovering your page because that friend shared something off it. I have no idea which is the case here, some Facebook "like" factory, a well-placed ad, or truly organic growth, because I've never even seen the Facebook page or website this whole thing is discussing.

Kilkrazy wrote:If you did ring them, you should record the conversation to have proof of what is said.

n0t_u wrote:It's probably harder for most to record a call than to keep a letter. Or that's their belief.

MajorTom11 wrote:@KC this was discussed a bit earlier, though this would seem the common sense sensible thing to do, apparently recording conversations in many states, even when informing the 2nd party is considered entrapment or could be. This is why in writing, besides being the most accurate, is also the safest for both parties.

Kilcrazy, yes, yes, yes. We know, or have reasonable enough reason to believe based on phone number, that every call you make to this person is a call to Texas, a single party call recording state. If you don't live in one of the eleven two-party states, record every second of every call. There is nothing illegal about that.

n0t_u, let's fix that problem for everyone. Everyone go out and get one of these things.

http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/call-recording

I also had noticed the use of the word entrapment before, most recently in the above-quoted MajorTom remark. Entrapment can be a VERY scary legal word, but entrapment is a very specific criminal offense that most of you can't be guilty of.

The Laws of These Here United States of America and a Legal Dictionary wrote:
Entrapment - The act of government agents or officials that induces a person to commit a crime he or she is not previously disposed to commit.

The law that people might be concerned with here are laws against eavesdropping, but again, we have a very specific definition.

The Laws of These Here United States of America and a Legal Dictionary wrote:
The crime of eavesdropping means to overhear, record, amplify or transmit any part of the private communication of others without the consent of at least one of the persons engaged in the communication, except as otherwise provided by law.

To take this farther, it is okay for random Dakka owner to call me on my cell phone, ask me to hit the "record" button, and then three way this alleged scammer, or whomever they feel like in any of the 39 "one-party" recording states. The Congressional Research Service did a study released in 2012 on wiretapping and eavesdropping laws, and since your tax dollars paid for it, you can go read it if you'd like.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/98-326.pdf

Of particular interest to anyone concerned about the legality of recording a phone call made to this party is the section on Exemptions: Consent Interceptions.

Aforementioned Congressional Research Service Study; page 13 wrote:
The argument in favor of consent interceptions has always been essentially that a speaker risks the indiscretion of his listeners and holds no superior legal position simply because a listener elects to record or transmit his statements rather than subsequently memorializing or repeating them.

Now, here's where it gets a little tricky. Recording calls for criminal or tortious purposes can be construed as illegal. Tortious can be read as "with the intent to sue". So, your recordings are probably not admissible in court, but this argument frequently holds up nicely.

"Your honor, I recorded the call because the pace of the conversation was too quick to take detailed notes. From the recording of the call I made these notes."

Those notes should be perfectly admissible.

The fun thing here, if you like a little schaudenfreude in your life, is that First Amendment protections removed the old clause "other injurious purposes" from the law, which in effect meant you couldn't record a call if you planned on using the recording to embarrass the other person. That part's not law anymore, so you could just record every call because you feel like posting them to your blog for the world to hear what's going on.

LadyCassandra wrote:I don't have a horse in this race and have been watching because I enjoy reading the legal gymnastic threads and getting a primer on law and copyright information, but I have to post here just to say that you, TheZeppo, are a legend. That's probably the best info post I've seen in one of these topics for a while. Kudos and Exalted. (Good for your first post!)

Hope you keep posting.

Well that just made my morning, the fiancee thinks most of what I say is just drivel! I will keep posting and trying to be useful until my brain melts in the summer sun. Thanks a ton!

One last thing before I try to get out of bed and go to this Magic tournament today. Yak, incorporate, incorporate, incorporate. Use LegalZoom, pay the nominal fee to incorporate, pay the annual fee to incorporate.

Incorporating protects your personal assets. Incorporating provides name protection. Incorporating provides a physical and permanent entity you could sell if one day you didn't want to do this anymore. Incorporating provides tax benefits, such as "This corporation, dakkadakkadakka.dakkadakka, needed a new computer from which to do business this year. If it hadn't needed a new computer, after it paid for site hosting fees and registration fees and so on and what forth, it would have made $1,200 this year on advertising profits that it should have paid taxes on, but bummer, if needed a new computer, that happened to cost $1,199...hopefully we make more profits next year...right?

Forget everything else in that paragraph above though Yak. Incorporate because it's the best thing to do for you and your family. America is the most litigious nation in the world. Americans like to sue other Americans over hot coffee, road rage, a dented fender. Make sure that if you get sued for something that happens here you are the proud owner of a judgement proof corporation with so little in real assets the lawyers will laugh at the guy suing you.

Zeppo

I can tell you why that is. On the first/second cases, he more or less got away with things as RedStarOne, and was eventually revealed as a Mr Matthew Bonder, a complete alias. There was no chance of his proverbial chickens coming home to roost, as nobody knew his actual identity. He lost a few ebay accounts, but there was nothing to tie him personally to any of it.

The next time he came back, he was fronting Three Stage Studios as an indie model company, a member of a high profile blogging group, and another ebay seller. Eventually all three were corroborated by the internet community. Daniel attempted to salvage one of the account by linking it to the name of another identity, 'Susan Beasley'. But the evidence he was using to do so circuitously tied back to him, and in his struggles to try and salvage that account, he gave us the tools to identify him personally.

As soon as we definitively knew who he was, he dropped it and ran. Because he did that so quickly, whilst those intimately involved with the case remembered his actual name, the online community in general did not. The speed at which he disassociated himself and vanished made it difficult to nail him for any of the many frauds he had committed by that stage(I can say that definitively, as I was one of them).

Unfortunately for Daniel, he'd come to rely too much on the money he gets by scamming people, and not learning anything, he launched his resinforge identity even as his last one was collapsing. But the difference this time, is that it is now widely known and disseminated as to exactly who he is. We know who he is, where he lives, his phone number, his immediate family, and so on.

This time, there is no disassociation. We know who he is, and where to find him. Thankfully, we identified him this time before he started scamming people again. The same old problems and excuses had begun to crop up, but like his previous identities, Daniel was trying to build a good reputation before making off with his proverbial bag of swag, so as to guarantee the maximum amount taken.

But now that can't happen. He refunded the people with the original problems straight away to try and save this facade of his. And his reputation is already ruined, because he's been outed.


His problem now is that if he does scam anyone at all, his details are more or less there for anyone to see. His only hope is to try and suppress those details, and come back with a new identity in six months. So he's been doing everything within his power to try and remove anything linking him to this company and his past rep, and failing miserably. He's also given us even more ammunition in the process.

If he hadn't tried to defraud me of my own cash at one point, I'd probably feel sorry for him by this stage. He's just had the better part of six months hard work building up rep again ruined, and he hasn't gotten to run off with anyone's money.

You forget one (in our opinion) important point: quite some of the stuff he "sold" (more like pre-sold) in the last weeks was stuff he (or his co-owners according to him) is / are supposed to bring to the States from the Horus Heresy Weekender which takes place NEXT weekend. Markedly FULGRIM miniatures and such.
That is hardly going to hold up to the most trusting and loyal supporters of Resin Forge if the shop folds and vanishes before that.

Well, now we know he IS daniel and the names of these co owners, can we ask who ever is going to the HH weekender to introduce themselves to the co owners?,

Well, now we know he IS daniel and the names of these co owners, can we ask who ever is going to the HH weekender to introduce themselves to the co owners?

How would you know who they are? BUT even if there would be an answer: what would it show? GW certainly is not going to hand out the names of people to have bought tickets just to have a lynchmob assemble. Nobody ever met Daniel Mandelbaum in person I think. Actually wait, there was this guy in the other thread who did...

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Well, now we know he IS daniel and the names of these co owners, can we ask who ever is going to the HH weekender to introduce themselves to the co owners?

How would you know who they are? BUT even if there would be an answer: what would it show? GW certainly is not going to hand out the names of people to have bought tickets just to have a lynchmob assemble. Nobody ever met Daniel Mandelbaum in person I think. Actually wait, there was this guy in the other thread who did...

How many americans will be there?, a man and woman, cant be that many (no idea on the size of the event tbh)?, politey go up and ask their names and introduce yourself would be my plan. I am not suggesting a lynch mob, just a polite conversation about them and resin forge, after all they havent ripped any body off to our knowledge and if they are there it would be a good indication of whether resin forge is a legit long term business or not.

Let's just assume for a second that indeed there are not a lot of Americans and they were indeed walking around together and they were indeed willing to have a conversation with you. They would have to be quite daft to admit they are Resin Forge co-owners after all that happened. Unless (if they do exist, not like fictive German lawyers, dead or alive mothers, brothers stepfathers or whatever) Daniel is handling all internet stuff completely by himself and they never even access the net to see how their co-owned business is doing. In other words: I'd not bet any money on that happening But then miracles happen, who knows

What's this "German lawyer" business? As far as I'm aware no German lawyers have been any part of this situation.

A few people seem to have confused a purported German security/investigatory company for a law firm, but that's purely an error of reading comprehension on their part.

This thread is serving its purpose but lets not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Putting a name to the infamous face would be, in an ideal setting, great. But if any Dakkanauts are attending the HH weekender then just have fun.

Putting a name to the infamous face would be, in an ideal setting, great. But if any Dakkanauts are attending the HH weekender then just have fun.

This. Don't ruin your time or others by deliberately hunting out RSO. Vigilante justice isn't seen in the kindest light, and it really does become a witch hunt if you try to find him.

So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

 Mannahnin wrote:
What's this "German lawyer" business? As far as I'm aware no German lawyers have been any part of this situation.

A few people seem to have confused a purported German security/investigatory company for a law firm, but that's purely an error of reading comprehension on their part.

It's actually not. Resin Forge has referred to "BritsCon" as their "lawyers" several times.

What's this "German lawyer" business? As far as I'm aware no German lawyers have been any part of this situation.

A few people seem to have confused a purported German security/investigatory company for a law firm, but that's purely an error of reading comprehension on their part.

This:

It's actually not. Resin Forge has referred to "BritsCon" as their "lawyers" several times.

And since according to their address on the C&D they are located in Erlangen, Bavaria, Germany, we dubbed them the "German lawyers". With good reason for the quote marks

If someone is planning a scam with Forge World products, maybe Forge World is interested and should be told in advance of the HH weekend.

If someone is planning a scam with Forge World products, maybe Forge World is interested and should be told in advance of the HH weekend.

It's not forbidden to buy Forgeworld products in bulk. What would FW do?

They really referred to Britcons as their lawyers? The letter doesn't, and all I saw was non-specific references to having retained/taking advice from their legal counsel (which they kept misspelling as "council").

But I haven't looked at their Facebook apart from screen caps posted here, so maybe I missed something.

They really referred to Britcons as their lawyers? The letter doesn't, and all I saw was non-specific references to having retained/taking advice from their legal counsel (which they kept misspelling as "council").

But I haven't looked at their Facebook apart from screen caps posted here, so maybe I missed something.

He was constantly talking about his "lawyer" that was developping a strategy and that he was not allowed to tell people his name before the lawyer decided it etc. Later people on his Facebook page asked about his "legal firm" and his "legal representatives" and he did not correct it.

Yup. According to Resin Forge they were approached by a lawyer who said he would help them, and that this lawyer was preparing things for them.

A "lawyer" who they wouldn't name and who told them not to name the owners of the company...

Resin Forge's Facebook page refers to their lawyers' web page being taken down by a Lexicanum complaint about their using a boilerplate C&D letter to DakkaDakka.

Only Britcons sent a C&D letter, so that is who Resin Forge are saying are their lawyers.

Aha, there we go. That does appear to be another factual contradiction, as none of the Britcons stuff said they were a law firm. So if Resin Forge referred to them as such, that's an inconsistency.

 Kroothawk wrote:
If someone is planning a scam with Forge World products, maybe Forge World is interested and should be told in advance of the HH weekend.

FW are aware of this thread and have been since the last one when we were still debating the RF / Daniel link ,

On an unrelated note Just in case anyone is visiting the UK for the HH weekend (looks at any random person who works at a stall at a show) all foreign visitors should carry their passport at all times in the UK in case of needing to prove identity especially if buying goods to take back to the states (those peskey customs officers do like their paperwork ) it just helps if the nice folks at FW can help fill out that customs declaration there and then for you!

I never had to present my passport when making any purchases in UK.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I never had to present my passport when making any purchases in UK.

no you don't but if you are planing on going through customs with a suitcase full of products they can make you stand in line for ages filling out forms (we brits love paperwork ) its easier if you get it filled at the source since they can fill out the mumbo jumbo of costs/ value VAT paid (you are eligible to a rebate on tax returns at home due to paying a sales tax you do not have to pay )

this just seemed a good place to mention this as i have had to deal with multiple customers who have had to fill in this mindless nonending stream of paperwork for products they want to take home to their country for resale !

Okay that makes good sense. : )

Presumably the British customs / immigration control folks would have an issue with people entering into the country with the aim of furthering a fraudulent scheme. Immigration control folks really aren't fond of fraudsters.

Even if not traveling to the UK for the purpose of furthering a scheme, there might be issues with traveling to the UK to conduct business (obtain product) as a general visitor.

I think it's hilarious people are proposing the trip to UK for the HH weekender is some type of scheme. I would love to go but the cost of airfare is much too dear for me.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I think it's hilarious people are proposing the trip to UK for the HH weekender is some type of scheme. I would love to go but the cost of airfare is much too dear for me.

*shrug*

According to Lex he requires models he is planning to obtain from the HH weekender in order to complete pre-orders:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:


You forget one (in our opinion) important point: quite some of the stuff he "sold" (more like pre-sold) in the last weeks was stuff he (or his co-owners according to him) is / are supposed to bring to the States from the Horus Heresy Weekender which takes place NEXT weekend. Markedly FULGRIM miniatures and such.
That is hardly going to hold up to the most trusting and loyal supporters of Resin Forge if the shop folds and vanishes before that.

If that's true, and the same thing happens this time that other posters in this thread said happened last time (send him money, don't get product in return), then what else would you call it?


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Hypothetically, if I was running a pre-order ponzi-scheme, trying to sucker in as big a pool of marks as possible, I would want some happy customers up front, and would have to get some product to send to them. Of course, a perfectly legitimate business would also want product for pre-orders as well.

How is purchasing FW models at the HH Weekender some evil scheme? I'm thinking he is smart to save the money if he bought airfare well ahead of time.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
How is purchasing FW models at the HH Weekender some evil scheme? I'm thinking he is smart to save the money if he bought airfare well ahead of time.

It's more that he's sold pre orders on the assumption that he'll actually go and buy them there. There's plenty of excuses for late orders with that method.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

I thought the deceased woman's name he used was his mother?

baritowned wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

I thought the deceased woman's name he used was his mother?

I'm sure Freud would have something to say about that.

Right, Solet me understand this... My gf lives in Amarillo so I've looked at flying to Dallas often.. and what I dont get is, it's £600 or so return. Thats at least £1200 (2 people) profit they have to make to the costs and looking at the price of fw stuff etc? personally I don't think they will be able to get that much stuff in their bags.

Something doesn't seem to add up.

baritowned wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

I thought the deceased woman's name he used was his mother?

That was an alias used, I think.

baritowned wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

I thought the deceased woman's name he used was his mother?

The time I mentioned was during his Redstarone (RSO) days.
You're thinking of the Three Stage Studio (TSS) era.
It's okay. It's hard to follow.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

It is merely speculation on your part. If it comes to pass then yes but only time will tell.

According to Lex he requires models he is planning to obtain from the HH weekender in order to complete pre-orders

I don't want to leave that as that, later people will say we are nuts and made it up (especially because Mr Mandelbaum LOVES to delete things when they become uncomfortable):
http://i.imgur.com/RT9xhvP.jpg (Screenshot of going to HH Weekender + saying people who want Fulgrim should hurry up)

http://i.imgur.com/XlOCy01.jpg (part 2)

Also here one of the advertising texts where he says he'll bring product:
http://i.imgur.com/psdy1TB.jpg

And more advertising for it:
http://i.imgur.com/FfhZhhw.jpg

And here some stuff where he suddenly reverses on the No VAT things:
http://i.imgur.com/AqmBJeJ.jpg

I also had a chat with a nice bloke who ordered a book from them, will see if I can get in touch with him.

 derek wrote:

baritowned wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

I thought the deceased woman's name he used was his mother?

That was an alias used, I think.

The dead woman was his real mother, so we can kindly stop talking about her please.

I was browsing his Facebook page this afternoon. Fulgrim is plastered all over the place. I hope others will investigate for themselves rather just take what is said here for granted. As far as deletion goes many things here have been deleted... That's partly why there is moderation, right?

 Dozer Blades wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

It is merely speculation on your part. If it comes to pass then yes but only time will tell.

http://www.resthavenfuneral.com/obituaries/obituaries-detail.cfm?method=2&id=1738


Second to last post suggests that Daniel does have a wife named Stephanie. Given his age it is plausible that they were married in 2009 during the RSO events, but Stephanie was clearly alive and well at the time of Susans death last year.

I was browsing his Facebook page this afternoon. Fulgrim is plastered all over the place. I hope others will investigate for themselves rather just take what is said here for granted. As far as deletion goes many things here have been deleted... That's partly why there is moderation, right?

Well, the stuff he had deleted on his FB page was all uncomfortable questions and statements that were debunked by evidence so they had to disappear

His last update shows 5 comments, 4 of which were deleted. Sadly before I was able to catch them.

I've also never read the word "trollish" so many times before, nor do most companies use them in their communications.

 TalonZahn wrote:

You would then have to travel to Texas to be in court to testify, present documentation, and hope that the other party hasn't done something to cause you to have to travel to Texas a second time; file a last second extension, perhaps?

The gaming community is a solid one and the people in it watch each other's back's very well.

RF kind of reminds of the guys that tried to start up that deep discount pre-order thing several months/couple of years ago.

MM and Alph would know who they were..... Gobbo Games or something?

I haven't read everything - but I assume you are talking about me. Justin Wu.

I am in Seattle, WA. My business(es) are seperate and not in any way affiliated or related at all to any past, or present ventures. (MWG, RSO, TSS, RF etc.)
I have known Matt-Daniel previously as he has been on my websites in the past as well as bartertown.
Dakka staff know who I am. MM-Bartertown knows who I am.

I do not have any outstanding owed debts/balances to anyone to my knowledge. I have not done much 'commercial' business in wargaming in a while.
I do have intentions of doing so again in the future, but more focused on my other non-wargaming ventures in RL.
If anything owed by me then feel free to contact me at any time. (Not Daniel's Transactions)

Galaxy Gobbo had closed down because the groupon-deep discount business model is not sustainable business model with very low profit margins.
We fulfilled all our orders to best of our supply capabilities, and refunded all who did not.

I have done several hundreds if not thousands of successful trades/sales transactions across Roguemarket, Bartertown, Dakka, & Ebay.
But, I am not perfect and I have failed on delivery on transactions in the past - but worked to the best of my ability to resolve on those transactions.

I casually still sell wargaming goods on the side (personal collection) on ebay and some few trades here and there.

I have assisted Dakka before on a past nasty scammer.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/242943.page

I also assisted AlarmingRick - with his deal with trade deal agreement with Matt-Daniel who owed him a Baneblade.
I was able to assist AlarmingRick to retrieve his owed Baneblade by supplying a Baneblade from my own personal inventory.

Hope this is clarification - to clear the air.
OP Topic isn't about me - but if any other questions let me know.

J

Dozer Blades wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

It is merely speculation on your part. If it comes to pass then yes but only time will tell.

d-usa wrote:

 derek wrote:

baritowned wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

I thought the deceased woman's name he used was his mother?

That was an alias used, I think.

The dead woman was his real mother, so we can kindly stop talking about her please.

Aerethan wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
So... was there never a wife lost to cancer?

Well, that's tricky to answer.
Daniel created Matt Bonder, and created the poor dying wife.
Then he killed her off for pity points. So, in RL, no, no wife related
to Mandelbaum died. But in the vastness of his imagination he killed a created character.

It is merely speculation on your part. If it comes to pass then yes but only time will tell.

http://www.resthavenfuneral.com/obituaries/obituaries-detail.cfm?method=2&id=1738


Second to last post suggests that Daniel does have a wife named Stephanie. Given his age it is plausible that they were married in 2009 during the RSO events, but Stephanie was clearly alive and well at the time of Susans death last year.

I'm pretty sure Alph can vouch for me on this, but you guys are confusing fact with fantasy.

Back in his RSO days, he invented "Sara" a wife with terminal cancer, along with the character Matt Bonder.

Mrs. Beasly was Daniels real life mother who passed after he'd been selling on Feebay as her. And I agree with d-usa, we should show her respect.

You folks are confusing people that lived with people he created. Which is something I'm sure Daniel would count on.

EDIT:
And yes, Justin Wu gave me a Shadowsword kit as resolution for the fiasco I went through with Daniel. Daniel keep telling me it was paid for, he was
waiting on Justin to ship it. Justin finally said screw it and sent it to me out of the kindness of his heart. As far as I know he's never been paid back by
Daniel to this day.

His mother is the only person I know off, I was not involved with him during his RSO days. I know he used her identity once, but at this point we know that she was also a real person that has died. Other than watching for somebody selling by that name in the future there is no reason to speak any ill of her and we should respect the fact that she has died.

 d-usa wrote:
His mother is the only person I know off, I was not involved with him during his RSO days. I know he used her identity once, but at this point we know that she was also a real person that has died. Other than watching for somebody selling by that name in the future there is no reason to speak any ill of her and we should respect the fact that she has died.

I thought you got on the Mandelbaum express at the TSS stop?!
If you knew him in the RSO days then you surely remember all the trips between Texas and Arkansas?
It was his favorite excuse at that time for not shipping. That's when I went to his apartment and met the
father, Michael. Ahhh, the bad old days.....

Edit:
My bad d, I thought I'd read you knew him then. Sorry my friend!

What part of Arkansas? I used to live there, now I live in the DFW area, and I still have a long reach with the gamers there.

 warhamster77 wrote:
What part of Arkansas? I used to live there, now I live in the DFW area, and I still have a long reach with the gamers there.

That's just it, he wasn't REALLY going to Arkansas. It was the excuse du jour.

I have heard if him as a bad trader, but my first experience with him was Three Stage Studios

 GalaxyGames wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

You would then have to travel to Texas to be in court to testify, present documentation, and hope that the other party hasn't done something to cause you to have to travel to Texas a second time; file a last second extension, perhaps?

The gaming community is a solid one and the people in it watch each other's back's very well.

RF kind of reminds of the guys that tried to start up that deep discount pre-order thing several months/couple of years ago.

MM and Alph would know who they were..... Gobbo Games or something?

I haven't read everything - but I assume you are talking about me. Justin Wu.

I am in Seattle, WA. My business(es) are seperate and not in any way affiliated or related at all to any past, or present ventures. (MWG, RSO, TSS, RF etc.)
I have known Matt-Daniel previously as he has been on my websites in the past as well as bartertown.
Dakka staff know who I am. MM-Bartertown knows who I am.

I do not have any outstanding owed debts/balances to anyone to my knowledge. I have not done much 'commercial' business in wargaming in a while.
I do have intentions of doing so again in the future, but more focused on my other non-wargaming ventures in RL.
If anything owed by me then feel free to contact me at any time. (Not Daniel's Transactions)

Galaxy Gobbo had closed down because the groupon-deep discount business model is not sustainable business model with very low profit margins.
We fulfilled all our orders to best of our supply capabilities, and refunded all who did not.

I have done several hundreds if not thousands of successful trades/sales transactions across Roguemarket, Bartertown, Dakka, & Ebay.
But, I am not perfect and I have failed on delivery on transactions in the past - but worked to the best of my ability to resolve on those transactions.

I casually still sell wargaming goods on the side (personal collection) on ebay and some few trades here and there.

I have assisted Dakka before on a past nasty scammer.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/242943.page

I also assisted AlarmingRick - with his deal with trade deal agreement with Matt-Daniel who owed him a Baneblade.
I was able to assist AlarmingRick to retrieve his owed Baneblade by supplying a Baneblade from my own personal inventory.

Hope this is clarification - to clear the air.
OP Topic isn't about me - but if any other questions let me know.

J

I think the one he was remembering was, maybe, "Gorilla Tactics"?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229827.page

So, I have emailed a CLEAR breakdown of what Daniel Mandelbaum owes me to the direct "Resin Forge" email address, as instructed to do so by... Resin Forge!

I have received nothing but a stream of replies asking me to call them.

I've also received legal advice to NOT call them, and to keep everything with them 'in writing'.

Of course, the whole thing is a farce, as obviously Daniel Mandelbaum knows exactly what he did, and what he owes me.

I had little actual hope of him making good on this debt, 4 years later, but I figured it was worth a shot, and maybe, just maybe Daniel was trying to be a legitimate 'business' these days.

Apparently not.

 yakface wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

Anyone who has had personal experience with Resin Forge or any of its owners (knowing with 100% certainty that they were dealing with those individuals), should ALWAYS feel free to post their experiences here.

I've been thinking about this post, and I wanted to clear something up.

I was referring to the idea of a C&D being sent to Dakka due to people discussing this sort of thing, and not to any actions that you have taken, Yak. The buffoonery is on the part of Mendelbaum/Bonder/Resinforge/Mr. Ripley. I just wanted to make sure that this was clear.

Resin Forge answers (well, somehow) about the upcoming Horus Heresy Weekender: whatever is behind this guy(s), he/ they have a very clear aversion of answering question with yes or no

http://i.imgur.com/HCzPxEG.jpg

Would it not be easier to post a scan of the tickets for flights and event?

Would it not be easier to post a scan of the tickets for flights and event?

Easier than to say: "yes"?

This guy tries as hard as possible not to ever give anything tangible, so I think tickets and copies of ID cards are a bit wishful thinking

I think a lot of people would not take a "Yes" as proof -- it's very easy to type, after all -- but scans of valid tickets would be pretty convincing.

That would be me again ;-)

The following is an exchange between myself and 'Jason' this morning.

Please note that while 'Jason' asks for this to remain private, I make no such agreement.


07:25
Resin Forge Store
It really is a shame there hasn't been time to get to you sooner. First these initial talks, will be private. While you do have the right to share them, I would ask you keep them to yourself for the time being. Second, if you would say, make a list of questions, clear cut, no confusion where some reader may read one thing and another reads something else. Words need to be clear which you generally have down pat. *Kudos!
Its also a shame you are in the UK so calling our customer service line was set up for this sort of PR. We simply have very little time, withe event coming up and all this drama the service line was set up so anyone with questions, complaints or whatever can get a hold of a rep and get a quick answer or resolution.
But in light of you wanting "help" us which to be blunt, seems your right now leaning a certain way but its impossible to see your real motivations. Please do not take that as an offensive remark!
You send your questions here, they will then be passed along right to our PR person on Monday when he arrives in. Hes closed for the weekend. (*His hours are Monday - Saturday, 9AM - 9PM US CENTRAL timezone.*)
I'm sure at that point, we will answer as many of your questions as possible.

07:35
Art Darryl Steventon
So there's a PR person?
Are you incapable of answering direct, straight questions yourself?
To whom am I speaking now?
For clarity - I have no affiliation to any fora, website or blog - whilst I am active on the UK communities through various other avenues, and as such, I take great interest in any suspect behaviour, either from retailers or fora.
Right now, your side of the arguments look increasingly weaker and weaker.
The failure to answer questions that have been directly put to you and to then hide behind 'my PR person' is just adding to that perception.

07:41
Art Darryl Steventon
Please note: I shall not get into protracted conversations with faceless identities - please provide a name to which I can refer.

07:41
Resin Forge Store
First, i am not the PR person. That is the person who can be reached 12 hours a day 6 days a week. I will not reply to questions that I either don't know the answer to or simply cant help with a 100% response. My job here is to simply keep customer updated and this update is in regards to claims we are not going to HH. it seems pretty clear to us and gives anyone reading the post can then make up their own mind on if they trust us enough to wait or if they just want their money back. Its a win win for the customer.\

07:43
Art Darryl Steventon
To whom am I speaking now?

07:44
Resin Forge Store
Already a trick question because ive seen areas you post, and no matter what owners name i give, you will not believe it. Correct?
But to be fare.
Im jason, nice to meet you.
And for anyone to say im not real, follow this link to a resolved customer who talked to both me and another owner.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/523568.page
Specifically this quote:

07:46
Resin Forge Store
I spoke with 2, both men. Jason and Daniel.
Daniel (I believe, was the original owner that called me and wasnt very polite). From then on I spoke with Jason multiple times, he was always great and always ready to listen to what I had to say. Today, the final call was with Daniel. He apologized for the way he reacted when he originally called.
I liked the fact that he was the one calling to close it off, and not go into hide and avoiding what had happened.

07:46
Resin Forge Store
Now to your next question, each of the 3 owners has a 33.3% share.
One money, very queazy.
moment DAMN AUTOCORRECT

07:48
Art Darryl Steventon
Now we're getting somewhere.
I had seen that quote previously, and yes, it does say that the issue was resolved. After three months?
Whilst it was resolved, not exactly speedy was it?
Though, kudos - you did resolve it.
Now, do you care to answer the other questions?
If you can answer nr.1 the others all roll on from there.

07:50
Resin Forge Store
Contact him.

07:50
Art Darryl Steventon
Contact who?

07:52
Resin Forge Store
His item was ordered, shipped a few days late, got to tracking went to Chicago, then stopped updating. We contacted him, Daniel was rough, I was polite, he calmed down and we worked out 100 that very friday and 100 this friday (yesterday). We had proof we shipped. But we felt he shouldn't be out anything and we used it as a learning curve so that now, we ship registered with insurance.

07:52
Resin Forge Store
He can vouche the story
As im not the PR ill answer as many as I personally can before it will be pushed straight to the PR phone line.

07:52
Art Darryl Steventon
Noted and acknowledged.As you obviously read Dakka, care to comment on user 'Aerethan's comments?
Will he, as previously intimated by the RF site, be receiving a refund for monies previously paid?

07:54
Resin Forge Store
My understand of that guy is simple. Hes not a customer, will never be one so why is he owed a refund? And what would said refund be for exactly?

07:56
Art Darryl Steventon
I refer you to the previous comments made on your page 'anybody owed money by Daniel should contact us' - he alleges he has made contact by email.
Are you denying he is owed any money, by Mr Mandelbraum for any previously unfulfilled orders from previous organisations he was involved in?

07:58
Resin Forge Store
I am flat out denying he ever sent an email and infact only called out hotline once asking for eric before hanging up. Ask him to send the email both resin forge and yourself and watch his lie collapse.
Ask him to send the email with a BCC to you or something.

08:01
Art Darryl Steventon
Noted and acknowledged.
Moving on;
Why, given that your registered address is Texas based, did you retain a Germany based security company to issue the C&D to www.dakkadakka.com?
And are you still maintaining that due to the efforts of 'Lexicanum' their website was then taken down shortly after?
Do you have any comment on the (very brief) investigations carried out by various users on Www.dakkadakka.com regarding their bone fides?

08:06
Resin Forge Store
Yes we did retain the company. We have pages and pages of conversations with the CEo as well as a paypal payment sent and then when it was accepted by him. Same name on his paypal account as was on the C&D. Any other talk about them goes to the PR person.
Lex posted a comment which here is the cap oh which leads us to think he did based on his own words and how easy it was after someone asked why the site is gone. Need the screen cap?
And the last one also goes to the PR person.
If you are UK, we can give you a calling card number to you so you pay nothing. Then you could actually call customer service and get the questions you answered right away. I do apologize, PR isnt my job in RF

08:11
Art Darryl Steventon
No, given that I prefer to be able to refer back to conversations verbatim if so required under legal duress I would prefer to keep all contact text only.
I'm sure you'll appreciate that.
It boils down to protecting both you and I from any comments being taken out of context at a later date by either yourself, myself or any third parties who may be able to access said conversations.

08:12
Resin Forge Store
Your choic
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08:12
Art Darryl Steventon
Thank you for understanding.

08:12
Resin Forge Store
Just understand PR is not my job here with RF and just talking with you is a no no since now have a real PR person helping out.
its 215 here and im very tired, we can continue more tomorrowif you would like

08:13
Art Darryl Steventon
And just so I can refer to them correctly, what should I call the PR person? What is their name?


At that point the conversation finished with no further replies.

So, Resin Forge are now employing a 'PR' person, who will deal with all enquiries.

I've no axe to grind, no score to settle on either side - just a good old fashioned sense of fair play. I have asked very straight, very basic questions that have led nowhere - so make of this what you will.

I'll be blocking RF the second that they turn abusive.

I don't think it can be proven that Jason is a real person and not another persona of Daniel's to hide behind. Why would anyone with honest intentions get involved with someone with such a history.

This unnamed 'PR' person is deeply suspicious. Why can't a company run by three people answer a simple question? Why is Jason so clueless that he feels only their 'PR person' can answer them effectively? It's obviously evasive, RF don't like answering questions and don't like putting things in writing. Make of that what you will.

Why is Jason so clueless that he feels only their 'PR person' can answer them effectively? It's obviously evasive, RF don't like answering questions and don't like putting things in writing. Make of that what you will.

Because it was EXACTLY the same with releasing the name of the owners. Just replace "PR" by "lawyer".

has anyone tried to have a face to face with Dan?

I've already shown that Daniel calls people as "Jason". My boss was called by "Jason", who acted desperate, frantic, and paranoid and was calling from Michael Mandelbaums phone and left it as a call back number.

I also have emails proving that it was Resin Forge that called me, and that Daniel is the person who called, as there are no police reports under the name "Jason Martin" from this month, but there is the one from Daniel on the 6th just moments after he called my office.


My only involvement in this was a single comment on RF's facebook page stating that RF was a scam and that I guaranteed the orders were being filled from Texas if they were being filled at all. Facebook is how my company info was found(which has been corrected). "Jason" claimed to have gotten my company's IP address from either the comment on FB, or from the Dakka thread, neither of which he would have had access to as FB and Dakka do not make IPA's public. Nevermind that the FB comment I made from home on a Sunday.

Daniel is the one who made this personal with me. He could have just deleted my comment and moved on, but instead he reacted like a child and tried to wreck my personal life while hiding behind feigned anonymity.

Reading the email transcript was painful, the guys either very young or barely literate.

I have formed the opinion that there are aliases being used because of this alone. Being a long time forum/world of warcraft player, it sounds odd, but you do get a sense of the personality behind some text. For example if I made another account I'm sure people could tell it was me due to the way I type.

Anyways, it's painfully obvious that there are shenanigans, and I personally think that no laws are broken by people discussing their experiences, this guy is just playing dirty tricks with his letters and his emails as far as I can see.

I like the way he refures to the PR "guy" isnt it suposed to be daniel/jason and a woman in the company and has only those 3 as staff ? lol

Art Steventon wrote:

07:52
Art Darryl Steventon
Noted and acknowledged.As you obviously read Dakka, care to comment on user 'Aerethan's comments?
Will he, as previously intimated by the RF site, be receiving a refund for monies previously paid?

07:54
Resin Forge Store
My understand of that guy is simple. Hes not a customer, will never be one so why is he owed a refund? And what would said refund be for exactly?

07:56
Art Darryl Steventon
I refer you to the previous comments made on your page 'anybody owed money by Daniel should contact us' - he alleges he has made contact by email.
Are you denying he is owed any money, by Mr Mandelbraum for any previously unfulfilled orders from previous organisations he was involved in?

I think you confused "Aerethan" with "Alpharius".

And yes, I contacted "Resin Forge" specifically because of that statement. Daniel Mandelbaum owes me a significant amount of money, "Resin Forge" said that if Daniel Mandelbaum owes anyone anything, please contact them, I've done so, and have received no resolution at all.

Long story short - I am now currently engaged in what looks to be the "run around" phase with "Resin Forge".

There is a continued unwillingness to clearly state names, there is evasion where none would be necessary in a regularly run business. It's like reading transcripts for 'The Prisoner'...

Who is Daniel Mandelbaum?

You are number 6...

Who is the 'PR person'?

That is not Jason...

Who is Jason?

We are Resin Forge...

Is Resin Forge Daniel Mandelbaum?

You are number 6...

As a sidenote, BoLS has put all comments about Resin Forge under moderation (my last two posts (same as here, nothing objectionable) are still waiting for clearance or were deleted)... Wonder if they also received a C&D in order to stop the discussion from spreading to other forums...

On the HH Weekender thing.... I thought FW said "Limit of 1 per person" on the Fulgrim mini?

Stay with me here.....

If he was legitimately going to it to buy things for customers, he would have to take like, 20 people to the event to fill orders. Now let's pretend he's not going to fly 20 people there from Texas. We'll say he's just going to recruit some yobs hanging out at the pub. Buying 20 tickets and 20 Fulgrims pretty much means he would make no profit and in fact lose money.

There's just no logical way to obtain and deliver the product and still turn a profit.

Unless of course there's recasting involved or someone has math skills that use an alternate dimension.

This all reminds me of the (new) Battlestar Galactica line: "This has all happened before...and it will all happen again."

Bear in mind - I applaud the people trying to help protect their fellow hobbyists from scammers/re-casters/conmen and their kind.

It just really seems to be a replay of all the others scams (by multiple scammers) that have come before it. The really funny thing (and those laughs are few and far between given the time and money people have lost in these types of scams) is the half=@$$ C&D letter.

Which I think is the real issue of the post. It is the reason the other post was deleted and it does seem to be helpful in that it has positively identified the owner (at least 1/3 of the ownership) as D.M.

Everything else starts to skew off into spin/counter-spin/agitation mode. Does anyone else have any proof that the business truly exists at the location in the letter (possible two locations)?

Does anyone know if the signature block person really exists - or is he a fabrication as well? I've seen a few posts indicating communication with him. Is it by phone or email? I'm suspicious of any and all emails given the ease of fabrication there. Phone numbers are more difficult - since they are geographic in nature and type. A German or U.S. address will have an area code. I doubt people are flying around the world picking up burners/setting up real accounts on these phones and then paying international rates for operating scams in different countries.

If he was legitimately going to it to buy things for customers, he would have to take like, 20 people to the event to fill orders. Now let's pretend he's not going to fly 20 people there from Texas. We'll say he's just going to recruit some yobs hanging out at the pub. Buying 20 tickets and 20 Fulgrims pretty much means he would make no profit and in fact lose money.

In theory he could just have 20 (or however many he would need) friends or acquaintances who anyway were going to the HH Weekender and who agreed to buy one-per-person miniatures for him.

Does anyone else have any proof that the business truly exists at the location in the letter

You mean the Britcons business in the two alleged locations in Germany?

This is astonishing. The level of ineptitude on display is actually pitiable.

You're thinking this would be hard to do.

Need a phone number in the EU? Here you go: https://www.globalcallforwarding.com/?ads=2&gclid=CO_Qg6HMkLcCFUFo4AoduVsAqw

I have family all over Italy and Germany and I'm sure I can get more than a couple of them to answer the phone if the above doesn't work.

** Please don't think I agree with any of this or do it myself! Been a reputable Trader for many, many years. I'm just pointing out that someone can do this with very little actual effort.


[Edit] @Inq - That is really the only way, but I doubt he has 20 "friends" to do that. It could happen though, lol.

[Edit] @Inq - That is really the only way, but I doubt he has 20 "friends" to do that. It could happen though, lol.

I didn't say I believe this to be feasible or plausible either

Maybe he has some kind of disguise kit and he's going to try to get them as each of his personas.

Maybe he has some kind of disguise kit and he's going to try to get them as each of his personas.

Whatever disguise it is right now, it has the worst English skills of all so far:

UPDATE UPDATE

Resin Forge Store Customer Service line will be open today. We have brought in someone help any who made need it with anything involving RF to any of its owners. This is a professional with many years in the phone Customer Service world. If you have a question, he can help, or will at least try while always stay professional. [...]

or

*name removed*
I find it odd that you cant just say yes or no

Resin Forge Store
If we say we will fill your order unless you want a refund, imply yes, we are going ? The next is say the names and frankly with the threats, We will not be sharing which staff members are going nor will we state who we are meeting there. Mobs have hatred so to speak. A joke people.

Someone posted this regarding FW stuff on Lex's FB page, It makes me wonder exactly how many staff RF are sending, cos if they are based out of texas, unless they are charging way above GW sales prices then profit will be, well it'll be non-existent.

"I'd just like to point out that Forge World stated when I rang them last week that only one model will be sold to one person. So you can't buy one for anyone else.

You can put in an order for the new stuff there and then but will need to pay for delivery."

 darkshard wrote:
Someone posted this regarding FW stuff on Lex's FB page, It makes me wonder exactly how many staff RF are sending, cos if they are based out of texas, unless they are charging way above GW sales prices then profit will be, well it'll be non-existent.

"I'd just like to point out that Forge World stated when I rang them last week that only one model will be sold to one person. So you can't buy one for anyone else.

You can put in an order for the new stuff there and then but will need to pay for delivery."

so costs of 2 tickets from US did i see some one say $600 each + to and from airport to Nottingham that,s about £80 each hotel's in Nottingham lets say a grotty B&B about another £80 tickets to the event ,taxis etc etc etc and don't forget buying the figures at retail price (£50 per Fulgrim alone ) how is this actually been swallowed as plausible by the people on his FB page ?

 Savagecoyote wrote:

 darkshard wrote:
Someone posted this regarding FW stuff on Lex's FB page, It makes me wonder exactly how many staff RF are sending, cos if they are based out of texas, unless they are charging way above GW sales prices then profit will be, well it'll be non-existent.

"I'd just like to point out that Forge World stated when I rang them last week that only one model will be sold to one person. So you can't buy one for anyone else.

You can put in an order for the new stuff there and then but will need to pay for delivery."

so costs of 2 tickets from US did i see some one say $600 each + to and from airport to Nottingham that,s about £80 each hotel's in Nottingham lets say a grotty B&B about another £80 tickets to the event ,taxis etc etc etc and don't forget buying the figures at retail price (£50 per Fulgrim alone ) how is this actually been swallowed as plausible by the people on his FB page ?

Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

Nobody could tell me yet how much Resin Forge charged for the Fulgrim model.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

Nobody could tell me yet how much Resin Forge charged for the Fulgrim model.

Its been made clear. If someone doesn't know how much Fulgrim is then call centre phone in hours it's open. After the fear over this weeks drama, then they will of course get what they ordered. What is confusing about any of that?

I might be missing something here, but I can't see a Fulgrim model on Forge World's website. Can someone provide a link? Thanks.

Its been made clear. If someone doesn't know how much Fulgrim is then call centre phone in hours it's open. After the fear over this weeks drama, then they will of course get what they ordered. What is confusing about any of that?

No thanks I have no wish to be at the receiving end of night and day telephone terror after they log my number

I might be missing something here, but I can't see a Fulgrim model on Forge World's website. Can someone provide a link? Thanks.

It's not there because the first ever possibility to buy it will be the Horus Heresy Weekender.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Its been made clear. If someone doesn't know how much Fulgrim is then call centre phone in hours it's open. After the fear over this weeks drama, then they will of course get what they ordered. What is confusing about any of that?

No thanks I have no wish to be at the receiving end of night and day telephone terror after they log my number

Can't say I blame you. I was just practicing my Mandlespeak, that was basically copy pasted from the resin forge facebook page, all I added was the call centre and the fulgrim figure.

Can't say I blame you. I was just practicing my Mandlespeak, that was basically copy pasted from the resin forge facebook page, all I added was the call centre and the fulgrim figure.

I see. I'll take your name off the list with suspect accounts again then

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Can't say I blame you. I was just practicing my Mandlespeak, that was basically copy pasted from the resin forge facebook page, all I added was the call centre and the fulgrim figure.

I see. I'll take your name off the list with suspect accounts again then

Or maybe I'm the most elaborately set up mole account ever. Only time will tell. But we are straying from the point here

I don't know how much they're charging for Fulgrim, I got an email forwarded from a friend inquiring about the Lodge Priest, and Resin Forge said they were selling him for 20 bucks US

I don't know how much they're charging for Fulgrim, I got an email forwarded from a friend inquiring about the Lodge Priest, and Resin Forge said they were selling him for 20 bucks US

That would be 13 GBP. Anybody know how much it will cost at the HH Weekender then?

EDIT: apparently similar models on previous event were sold at ~12GBP. Doesn't sound like a big saving then, why do that?

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Savagecoyote wrote:

 darkshard wrote:
Someone posted this regarding FW stuff on Lex's FB page, It makes me wonder exactly how many staff RF are sending, cos if they are based out of texas, unless they are charging way above GW sales prices then profit will be, well it'll be non-existent.

"I'd just like to point out that Forge World stated when I rang them last week that only one model will be sold to one person. So you can't buy one for anyone else.

You can put in an order for the new stuff there and then but will need to pay for delivery."

so costs of 2 tickets from US did i see some one say $600 each + to and from airport to Nottingham that,s about £80 each hotel's in Nottingham lets say a grotty B&B about another £80 tickets to the event ,taxis etc etc etc and don't forget buying the figures at retail price (£50 per Fulgrim alone ) how is this actually been swallowed as plausible by the people on his FB page ?

Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

They're not that concerned with profits, just making sure their customers are happy.

They're not that concerned with profits, just making sure their customers are happy.

Even it it means that they have to ruin themselves while doing it

I think you confused "Aerethan" with "Alpharius".

And yes, I contacted "Resin Forge" specifically because of that statement. Daniel Mandelbaum owes me a significant amount of money, "Resin Forge" said that if Daniel Mandelbaum owes anyone anything, please contact them, I've done so, and have received no resolution at all.

Long story short - I am now currently engaged in what looks to be the "run around" phase with "Resin Forge".

Apologies to both you and Aerethan - it does indeed appear that I have conflated two separate accounts - my mistake.

If you read back through my line of questioning, I remained polite and professional throughout the dialogues with Daniel / Jason. at no point did I become abusive or profane, and at no point did I threaten anyone, nor appear to be 'stalkery'. All I have done is to attempt to gain some clear answers from Daniel / Jason on each of the points.
My questioning on the HH Weekender were to ascertain whether those customers of RF who had placed orders in good faith would indeed get them - nothing more.

Since I published the above dialogue, Jason / Daniel have now accused me of being 'biased';

13:41
Resin Forge Store
All future communication from you needs to go to the customer service line. I'm sorry if you don't like that reply but there are no more answers for you as you are biased and one sided. Please do not message us here again.

13:41
Art Darryl Steventon
Ok Daniel. See you at the HH weekender, or not.

13:52
Resin Forge Store
Wow my friend, wow.
Why do you even bother to act biased?
When you clearly have an agenda?

13:54
Art Darryl Steventon
You said no further contact so please refrain from any further contact. You haven't answered any question ( fairly or otherwise) put to you so our interaction is at an end Mr Mandelbraum.

13:56
Resin Forge Store
Oh they most certainly are, and yet you arent even correct in both accusations you just made. Scroll up. Good bye my "friend".

14:37
Resin Forge Store
What exactly has Resin Forge done wrong? Do we owe any customers since we opened? Anything? Anything at all?
We are all very curious as to how your feelings on us replying to questions means we are guilty of anything?

Can't say I didn't try! I don't think Daniel / Jason understand that honesty really is the best policy.

I'd like to see a name and contact information to the PR person.

A legitimate company would have this posted on page 1.

Art Steventon wrote:

I think you confused "Aerethan" with "Alpharius".

And yes, I contacted "Resin Forge" specifically because of that statement. Daniel Mandelbaum owes me a significant amount of money, "Resin Forge" said that if Daniel Mandelbaum owes anyone anything, please contact them, I've done so, and have received no resolution at all.

Long story short - I am now currently engaged in what looks to be the "run around" phase with "Resin Forge".

Apologies to both you and Aerethan - it does indeed appear that I have conflated two separate accounts - my mistake.

If you read back through my line of questioning, I remained polite and professional throughout the dialogues with Daniel / Jason. at no point did I become abusive or profane, and at no point did I threaten anyone, nor appear to be 'stalkery'. All I have done is to attempt to gain some clear answers from Daniel / Jason on each of the points.
My questioning on the HH Weekender were to ascertain whether those customers of RF who had placed orders in good faith would indeed get them - nothing more.

Since I published the above dialogue, Jason / Daniel have now accused me of being 'biased';

13:41
Resin Forge Store
All future communication from you needs to go to the customer service line. I'm sorry if you don't like that reply but there are no more answers for you as you are biased and one sided. Please do not message us here again.

13:41
Art Darryl Steventon
Ok Daniel. See you at the HH weekender, or not.

13:52
Resin Forge Store
Wow my friend, wow.
Why do you even bother to act biased?
When you clearly have an agenda?

13:54
Art Darryl Steventon
You said no further contact so please refrain from any further contact. You haven't answered any question ( fairly or otherwise) put to you so our interaction is at an end Mr Mandelbraum.

13:56
Resin Forge Store
Oh they most certainly are, and yet you arent even correct in both accusations you just made. Scroll up. Good bye my "friend".

14:37
Resin Forge Store
What exactly has Resin Forge done wrong? Do we owe any customers since we opened? Anything? Anything at all?
We are all very curious as to how your feelings on us replying to questions means we are guilty of anything?

Can't say I didn't try! I don't think Daniel / Jason understand that honesty really is the best policy.

Your agenda, or bias, clearly was to post your back and forth with Daniel here on Dakka. At least that would be my guess.
I have to ask Art, aren't you hurt you didn't make it to the "Troll" level?!?!
Thanks for the time you put into your effort!

I'm not hurt at all - it takes a lot more than a clearly troubled soul like Mr Mandelbraum to upset me!

Still, it was worth a shot.

I have severe doubts personally as to whether Jason even exists, and whether or not Kim is anything but a name for the PayPal account, as I believe Mandelbaum was banned from it... I would venture he just took his ex sister in laws credentials to make an acct.

Why?

Because every single message, in all ways from syntax to spelling errors to tone to evasiveness to badgering reeks of Daniel Mandelbaum and only Daniel Mandelbaum, based on both his public writing and his private interactions with me while pretending to be Susan Beasley.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I have severe doubts personally as to whether Jason even exists, and whether or not Kim is anything but a name for the PayPal account, as I believe Mandelbaum was banned from it... I would venture he just took his ex sister in laws credentials to make an acct.

Why?

Because every single message, in all ways from syntax to spelling errors to tone to evasiveness to badgering reeks of Daniel Mandelbaum and only Daniel Mandelbaum, based on both his public writing and his private interactions with me while pretending to be Susan Beasley.

Agreed. It's like a bad written "accent" for lack of a better way to put it.

*name removed*
Missing the point.
Simple question: can you confirm that you will be in attendance to the HH Weekender?
No more skirting around it, a simple yea or no will do! I have stood up for RF on all the UK sites this week, don't make me look stupid

Resin Forge Store
How else would we be able to get the items to our customers before they even go on sale at the FW website? People seem to think we pre sold tons of them. Try far, FAR, FAR fewer. We were the ones posting far below its 1 per person that attends the event. FW has said IF there are any extras at the end, we can make orders. There is also the chance to buy from people that dont want thiers at the event to. Its frowned upon but its done at all events with event only minis.

Resin Forge Store
Its not a trip to make profit. its a trip to bring new items back to RF before they are around the general public.
Its a classic business tactic. Not everything is about short term profit.

There we go. It's all legit and they go just to be able to bring it to their customers before it goes on general sale. I am happy we cleared that up Still having problems with straight "yes" or "no", but hey, who's going to insist?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

*name removed*
Missing the point.
Simple question: can you confirm that you will be in attendance to the HH Weekender?
No more skirting around it, a simple yea or no will do! I have stood up for RF on all the UK sites this week, don't make me look stupid

Resin Forge Store
How else would we be able to get the items to our customers before they even go on sale at the FW website? People seem to think we pre sold tons of them. Try far, FAR, FAR fewer. We were the ones posting far below its 1 per person that attends the event. FW has said IF there are any extras at the end, we can make orders. There is also the chance to buy from people that dont want thiers at the event to. Its frowned upon but its done at all events with event only minis.

Resin Forge Store
Its not a trip to make profit. its a trip to bring new items back to RF before they are around the general public.
Its a classic business tactic. Not everything is about short term profit.

There we go. It's all legit and they go just to be able to bring it to their customers before it goes on general sale. I am happy we cleared that up Still having problems with straight "yes" or "no", but hey, who's going to insist?

So we're to believe that RF, who employs a <redacted by moderator>, is a non profit who is acquiring models "for the people" and is willing to eat the cost of travel just to offer the models at roughly the same as retail price?

Nothing sketchy there.

So we're to believe that RF, who employs a known scammer, is a non profit who is acquiring models "for the people" and is willing to eat the cost of travel just to offer the models at roughly the same as retail price?

Nothing sketchy there.

Absolutely-diddely. Not only that, he also promised coverage of the event:

*name removed*
I am hopeing for some good pics and coverage and toys! As this will define my 30k focus for the next 6 months or so. Carry on RF!!!

Resin Forge Store
Oh there will be! We are already prepared!

Resin Forge Store
Its also nice to see you have taken your experiences with RF to heart and have not been sucked into the drama hole as are calling it now. We hope to see many more packages with your name on them being sent out!

Really looking forward to it

Would somebody (we are still banned) like to go over and ask if they are also going to bring the cash for the people who are still owned money from the previous endeavours of Mr Mandelbaum?

Well, all my comments and questions have been removed from his page, and he's blocked my access to post.

Ce'st La Vie - guess in the words of Jack Nickolson - he can't handle the truth!

The amount if trouble RF is going to keep things off he written record and pushing for a "he-said/he-said" phone conversation is pretty telling.

Please note that until convicted in a court of law someone should not be referred to as a known scammer.

Everyone is aware there are many reports about the activities of this person, which cast him in a dubious light.

It is up to individual users whether to believe such reports.

Would "fraud" be a better term? Since he has, publicly and on record, used fraudulent information in attempts to harass people both personally and professionally?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

*name removed*
Missing the point.
Simple question: can you confirm that you will be in attendance to the HH Weekender?
No more skirting around it, a simple yea or no will do! I have stood up for RF on all the UK sites this week, don't make me look stupid

Resin Forge Store
How else would we be able to get the items to our customers before they even go on sale at the FW website? People seem to think we pre sold tons of them. Try far, FAR, FAR fewer. We were the ones posting far below its 1 per person that attends the event. FW has said IF there are any extras at the end, we can make orders. There is also the chance to buy from people that dont want thiers at the event to. Its frowned upon but its done at all events with event only minis.

Resin Forge Store
Its not a trip to make profit. its a trip to bring new items back to RF before they are around the general public.
Its a classic business tactic. Not everything is about short term profit.

There we go. It's all legit and they go just to be able to bring it to their customers before it goes on general sale. I am happy we cleared that up Still having problems with straight "yes" or "no", but hey, who's going to insist?

I mean, over $1000 dollars to get there? Somehow getting loads of one-per-person models in a "two man" team? Maundelbaum?
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

Has anyone considered that this dude is using his mother and ex-sister-in-laws names to engage in allegedly fraudulent activities? Shouldn't someone call a DA or FBI (seeing as how he is engaging in inter-state commerce) and see if they can handle this case as it seems that there is enough of a trail to put this guy down for identity theft and wire fraud?

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:



I mean, over $1000 dollars to get there? Somehow getting loads of one-per-person models in a "two man" team? Maundelbaum?
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

Sounds like a flawless plan to me, I fail to see the down side.

I am just glad that his name has been attached to this site so people can make a informed decision before deciding to purchase stuff from this site.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

If he was legitimately going to it to buy things for customers, he would have to take like, 20 people to the event to fill orders. Now let's pretend he's not going to fly 20 people there from Texas. We'll say he's just going to recruit some yobs hanging out at the pub. Buying 20 tickets and 20 Fulgrims pretty much means he would make no profit and in fact lose money.

In theory he could just have 20 (or however many he would need) friends or acquaintances who anyway were going to the HH Weekender and who agreed to buy one-per-person miniatures for him.

Does anyone else have any proof that the business truly exists at the location in the letter

You mean the Britcons business in the two alleged locations in Germany?

It's funny this should come up again, I was questioning the dodgy business plan of RS in the original warning post and have actually gotten a PM over at warseer "setting me straight" on the facts...

My original questioning as an avid follower and poster on the FW FB page was based on the fact that FW have said in several replies that pre-release items would be strictly limited to 1 per person, meaning if 2 co-owners went they could round up 2 Fulgrim models etc. in total. I then got this;



It seems that his company has 3 friends meeting up with them, I have a suspicion that at least one of these friends are no longer in on that deal. The identity of these friends can't be determined so I have no proof, so let's just pretend that they can still meet up with 3 guys at the event.


Okay, first off, RS is being accused of being associated with a known alleged scam'er, and he decides this is appropriate to react to instead of trying to clear his name and company name (suspicious along with the allusion to police reports in the PM title)

If we then look at the facts, he would now be able to obtain 5 Fulgrim models etc. on pre-release if his business associates + friends are all 5 of them each able to get 1, granted there's enough on sale, and they each manages to get one before FW running out.

That's still a gakky business plan, and even if they get all 5 what would they say to customer number 6, 7 and so on who they're not able to supply with the goods they pre-paid for? And how on earth do you know beforehand what to charge for a pre-release miniature that has no official price tag as of yet? If the model was, say £55 and they only charged £50 for the item they would loose money, that is a bad business plan...

This personal incident only cemented it without a doubt in my mind that these allegations were true, and that there was something fishy going on with this particular offer, an offer which sounded too good to be true. And we all know what is said about things on the internet that looks too good to be true....

@damned artificer: I seem to remember (the post was deleted since then) that on their Facebook page they said something about 5 or 6 "spots". Don't quote me on that though, can't prove it

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
@damned artificer: I seem to remember (the post was deleted since then) that on their Facebook page they said something about 5 or 6 "spots". Don't quote me on that though, can't prove it

And that may well be, but it doesn't account for how they plan to guarantee these since the pre-release items can't be reserved and also makes it really hard to determine a price to charge for said services. Even if this is actually the plan and they really go through with it and fly from Texas to Nottingham to buy FW models at an event without a 100% guarantee they can get what they intend to buy it's still a bad business plan I would take up gambling on the side as well, as it seems an equally good business plan to me

They are leveraging a pre-release event to make themselves the only game in town to get this model for a short period. Piggy backing off forgeworlds work and marketing to sell models they can't guarantee... on any front... price, quantity... anything.

So, in short, they are taking money, right now, for nothing but the word of an individual under heavy, heavy allegations of scamming and cutting and running.

The way I see it there are 1 of 3 scenarios that are going to happen -

1. Optmistic: Knowing the scrutiny he is under, and assuming he continues to be unwilling to abandon this business as he has the many previous ones, he will refund the money.

2. Realistic: He will, shockingly, only get around to delivering the models when FW issues them for general release, which assumedly would not be too long after the event. Essentially bilking the pre-order crowd into paying him instead of FW for no tangible return.

3. Pessimistic: Depending on the amount of pre-orders, he may cut and run, or attempt to. But now that his real name is on things, this may be easier said than done.


In any case, the whole thing, as with everything else in my opinion is just shady as all hell... don't risk it people, protect yourselves and your friends.

don't risk it people, protect yourselves and your friends.

Especially for what... Couple of days maybe. By the way a silly question. If you bring goods in high quantities back to the US, shouldn't you declare them and pay import taxes?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Especially for what... Couple of days maybe. By the way a silly question. If you bring goods in high quantities back to the US, shouldn't you declare them and pay import taxes?

These links may be of interest to you;
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/newsroom/publications/trade/iius.ctt/iius.pdf

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/

http://www.sba.gov/community/blogs/importing-goods-us-%E2%80%93-introductory-guide-small-business-owners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs_duties_in_the_United_States

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

don't risk it people, protect yourselves and your friends.

Especially for what... Couple of days maybe. By the way a silly question. If you bring goods in high quantities back to the US, shouldn't you declare them and pay import taxes?

You could send an anonymous tip off to the CBP if you want too.

Must try to stop laughing.

But seriously? Isn't this just a tad too far.... If he was getting death threats then why not have evidence of it? Before contacting a PI? Last time i checked, and when I was studying law, it equates to this, no evidence, there is no crime.

*Fixed for grammatical reasons*

I hate to bring logic into this, but:

1) Most people are not searched at the airports by CBP/USCIS personnel. A percentage - chosen at random are screened.

2) If they are screened - most likely the answers will not include - "I intend to resale these for a profit (however small it may be)."

3) "I bought these for some fiends who could not go." is the most probable answer.

4) I speak from decades of experience traveling in and out of the U.S. to Europe and other countries. I have flown back with Resin crack/GW items in my cases about 12 times. I was searched once. I did not declare the $200 worth of items - I honestly forgot they were packed in a suitcase. I offered to correct the paper - which they let me do - then asked if I owed anything. I had a receipt - showed the vat return etc. - nothing was charged - they had no idea how to process it and it was faster to let me in the country again.

5) Informing the CBP - great - do we have the flight number, city, names (passports may have different names than those provided). This would be a waste of time for the CBP and whomever calls it in.

6) As the OP has in an email there is another way to bypass this - but it is not being posted. In order to prevent someone else who may not have the knowledge of it from getting it. It renders the CBP completely moot and from my understanding is a very probable course of action for Resin Forge.

Hmmmmm seems that RF has had to take down images from it website by request of GW

Hmmmmm seems that RF has had to take down images from it website by request of GW

Source?

http://www.resinforge.com/


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Some people do not believe things that Resin Forge say.

RF website "We apolgoize for the lack of section pictures. We were asked by GW to remove them and did so." pasted direct from their site (love the typo must be 6.30am again in Dallas)

May I remind people again to take note of Yakface's warning not to call someone a scammer unless they have been convicted.

 Savagecoyote wrote:
RF website "We apolgoize for the lack of section pictures. We were asked by GW to remove them and did so." pasted direct from their site (love the typo must be 6.30am again in Dallas)

Doesn't GW have a policy of not letting web stores use their images?

So that's not out of the ordinary.

It's a grey area to be honest they tend not to care as long as your selling their product and acknowledging its GW's product

 Savagecoyote wrote:
It's a grey area to be honest they tend not to care as long as your selling their product and acknowledging its GW's product

Not in the US though, AFAIK.

It's been like that for a few weeks now.

Next one the list will be removing any photos - and the flyer for the HH Weekender, which he's using without permission to drive sales....

they might be recasting them also. Surpised no one has thought of putting GW on there trail for recasting, if they are recasting.
There is nothing to suggest recasting at this point, please stick to the facts - MT11

I honestly think that with all the problems people have reported with Daniel and his suspected last businesses, nobody has ever come forward and claimed that they have received a recast piece. Not from the last websites or past eBay stores.

Lots of people complain of late orders, or no orders received, but I don't remember anybody getting an order and saying it was a fake.

tree667 wrote:
they might be recasting them also. Surpised no one has thought of putting GW on there trail for recasting, if they are recasting.

There haven't been any reports of recasting from buyers, to my knowledge. Best not to speculate, OK?

This whole thing is incredibly surreal. I can barely believe the depths of complexity and the layers of bs that spring up around this topic.

Keep up the good work, Dakkamods, fair play Yakface for covering your backside, and let's all hope that this ends well for the majority.

I kinda hope one day Dakka gets to report the news of this guy finally being brought to justice, as opposed to "Here we go again..."

Sadly I don't see that ever happening, though.

As keeps being said along with no throwing the word "Scammer" around without an actually conviction, lets not muddy the waters further with recasting talk too. As few as this guys morals seem to be, like kronk said until someone actually comes forward and proves otherwise, DM isn't a recaster as far as we know.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

So we're to believe that RF, who employs a known scammer, is a non profit who is acquiring models "for the people" and is willing to eat the cost of travel just to offer the models at roughly the same as retail price?

Nothing sketchy there.

Absolutely-diddely. Not only that, he also promised coverage of the event:

*name removed*
I am hopeing for some good pics and coverage and toys! As this will define my 30k focus for the next 6 months or so. Carry on RF!!!

Resin Forge Store
Oh there will be! We are already prepared!

Resin Forge Store
Its also nice to see you have taken your experiences with RF to heart and have not been sucked into the drama hole as are calling it now. We hope to see many more packages with your name on them being sent out!

Really looking forward to it

Would somebody (we are still banned) like to go over and ask if they are also going to bring the cash for the people who are still owned money from the previous endeavours of Mr Mandelbaum?

I'm actually pretty close by, I could pop by if enough people want me to, to the weekend event. I'd have to have some objectives and naturally figure out what else I'd do there but....yeah. Lemme know, it's pretty reachable where I am plus some of the other events I could also recount for my fb page, this could be beneficial regardless.

 Titan Atlas wrote:
I'm actually pretty close by, I could pop by if enough people want me to, to the weekend event. I'd have to have some objectives and naturally figure out what else I'd do there but....yeah. Lemme know, it's pretty reachable where I am

I don't think that approaching the staff of Resin Forge at the event is a wise idea unless you are one of the people directly affected. Even if you were I do not see how disrupting an event such as that would bring you any sort of resolution. Either communicate in writing with Daniel Mandelbaum, or commence legal proceedings. Anything else is likely to inflame the situation rather than resolve it.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Titan Atlas wrote:
I'm actually pretty close by, I could pop by if enough people want me to, to the weekend event. I'd have to have some objectives and naturally figure out what else I'd do there but....yeah. Lemme know, it's pretty reachable where I am

I don't think that approaching the staff of Resin Forge at the event is a wise idea unless you are one of the people directly affected. Even if you were I do not see how disrupting an event such as that would bring you any sort of resolution. Either communicate in writing with Daniel Mandelbaum, or commence legal proceedings. Anything else is likely to inflame the situation rather than resolve it.

As I said, I'd honestly go for other reasons, besides, I have no business with them other than when they were displaying my name during accusations about Lexicanum taking down their lawyer's page. But again, I have nothing that I would really say to them that would be very productive. It'd mostly be about seeing my favourite authors and the like, as I said, things I can recount for the fb page, things that are genuinely interesting and things you don't advise having aspirin to go alongside them

I haven't read the whole thread but a cursory glance at the C&D letter reveals grammatical errors that i would be surprised at from a 'professional' legal company.....

But again, I have nothing that I would really say to them that would be very productive.

Yep. Go to the HH Weekender, enjoy your time, talk to the authors, buy yourselves some minis - why waste time with looking for somebody you don't have a real issue with. Unless of course you are still owed money by Three stage studio that you could use for buying even more minis and books

Otherwise I'd say mission is more or less fulfilled in so far that Mr Mandelbaum has been confirmed / exposed as (co-)owner of Resin Forge. All connections to previous, dubious action of his are plastered all over the place. Diverse people who are still waiting for their products or money were told his name and addresses to take this for their own courses of action.

So now Mr Mandelbaum can sort out the claims of the people he still owes money and if he wishes so to run his business with the cards on the table (not as before with unaware people). As for what happens next weekend and after, we will keep an eye on it, but it's really more of an academic interest than of real concern

Preeeetty much. And it'll be a good way to kick up the feet after an exam (tomorrow).

 WarOne wrote:
Also, isn't the statement of facts proven by multiple witnesses as well as previous posts and activities call out of the bounds of what is considered defamation?

I think the best way to handle it is use the term allegedly. It seems to work in other areas such as radio and TV.

Guess now Mr. Mandelbaum knows why no other US-webstore with a cart-system has stock photos of GW products

 Kilkrazy wrote:
http://www.resinforge.com/


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I think its more like, the gig's up, time to wait another 6 months and try again kind of thing. But those are just my personal thoughts.

czakk wrote:
It looks like britcons.com had some trouble getting their website working about a year ago:

http://support.godaddy.com/members/alphamike/

Maybe not a crack team of mercenaries.


Also no record of a lawyer named Michael Duerkop that I could find. Practicing law without a license is a no no.

So...wait...we have a guy who has been proven to be a shady businessman supposedly having a C&D sent by a person (persons) who may not be a lawyer, from a company that may not actually exist in the stated form?

Wow...just wow.

That pretty much sums it up.

I think yak needs to hire some ninja merc's to defend the site. Looks like we are going down.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

czakk wrote:
It looks like britcons.com had some trouble getting their website working about a year ago:

http://support.godaddy.com/members/alphamike/

Maybe not a crack team of mercenaries.


Also no record of a lawyer named Michael Duerkop that I could find. Practicing law without a license is a no no.

So...wait...we have a guy who has been proven to be a shady businessman supposedly having a C&D sent by a person (persons) who may not be a lawyer, from a company that may not actually exist in the stated form?

Wow...just wow.

It gets better. If you read MarkyMark's posts he's been in contact with the M. Duerkop that originally owned the website and lived at the address listed in the registration / has the telephone number listed as well. Apparently he let the website lapse a year ago and had no idea anyone had brought it back or that they were using his name.

So would that make this international identity theft, possibly bringing INTERPOL into things?

Well.... Thats an unfortunate turn of events....

 Asherian Command wrote:
Well.... Thats an unfortunate turn of events....

You say unfortunate, I say hilarious.

Really though, if this whole C&D affair does turn out to be "questionably legal", Mandelbungler will have reached an entirely new plane of the bizarre.

I take back everything I said about not leaving the other thread up. Mr. Mandelbaum's recent actions brought to light in this thread have caused way more damage than that thread ever could have. Funny, really. By sending a fake C&D, he got more negative attention from more outlets than he ever would have from a thread on Dakka.

It's worth noting that outside of some armchair investigating, it's not proven it's a fake C&D. So, again, keeping speculation to a minimum is probably for the best.

 -Loki- wrote:
It's worth noting that outside of some armchair investigating, it's not proven it's a fake C&D. So, again, keeping speculation to a minimum is probably for the best.

Or at least wait til the appropriate PR person is in. I'm sure they can handle such questions.
I believe they have a number some where.......

Oh I'm just playing devils advocate there. yakface asked for speculation to be kept down in this thread.

 -Loki- wrote:
Oh I'm just playing devils advocate there. yakface asked for speculation to be kept down in this thread.

Just poking fun. And he's correct to do so.

I take back everything I said about not leaving the other thread up. Mr. Mandelbaum's recent actions brought to light in this thread have caused way more damage than that thread ever could have. Funny, really. By sending a fake C&D, he got more negative attention from more outlets than he ever would have from a thread on Dakka.

You mean in the same way as if he had not decided to run to facebook and have all links with a (in the beginning) quite small "warning in passing" referring to the Dakka thread deleted? For us that was the equivalent of burning down a whole office block in order to cover up that somebody had taken a pepsi can from the common fridge in the office.
The resulting smoke (in this case stink for meddling with other people's pages) was what brought down A LOT of the gak on his head. Pretty much the same as calling Aetheran's workplace, thus involving him. Don't piss people off for nothing, they might decide to come back for you I guess

But it wasn't for nothing! He gave negative (correct me if I'm wrong) COMMENTARY on their page, sullying their "perfect reputation" they seem to advertise in regards to customer satisfaction. Clearly that constitutes phone harassment.

Well, just out of curiosity, I posted a question on facebook yesterday, and this morning they got back to me. Just a quickie about the availability of the Fulgrim model, to get a concrete answer from themselves...


sorry for no embedded pic, currently in class, and uploading is tricky.

On the face of it that sounds reasonable, though I don't understand how Resin Forge will be able to make a profit on the orders.

Okay update time:

I have been provided with enough evidence to say with certainty that there is no such company as britcons.com (their website has since been taken down for those not following the proceedings of this thread day-to-day).

The Cease & Desist email was sent by someone pretending to be Michael Duerkop, the CEO of this fictitious company.

The real Michael Duerkop is just a photographer in Germany who owns the (long dormant) britcons.com domain. He has recently had several of his online accounts compromised (such as paypal, Facebook, go daddy, etc) and whomever compromised these accounts then used them to create the Britcons.com website that used to be there and send the Cease & Desist email from the info@Britcons.com email account (that they created).

Now, and this is very important, there is no evidence proving who was responsible for compromising his accounts and creating this charade. It is entirely possible that someone created this fake website, etc, and then went and misrepresented themselves to Resin Forge as being able to provide legal counsel. So please refrain from making any statements as though you *know* who was responsible, even if circumstantially it may seem obvious to you.

I will not be reinstating the previous thread, because as I've said a few times now, I'm much more comfortable with the way the information is presented in this current thread as opposed to the previous one.

I also will not be looking to pursue any legal actions for this whole matter because frankly I have no interest in wasting any more of my time on this ridiculousness. The entire point of the original thread (and this one) continues to be just to identify that Daniel Mandelbaum is an owner of Resin Forge, which has been amply accomplished by this point.

 yakface wrote:
Now, and this is very important, there is no evidence proving who was responsible for compromising his accounts and creating this charade. It is entirely possible that someone created this fake website, etc, and then went and misrepresented themselves to Resin Forge as being able to provide legal counsel.

That, honestly, would be hilarious.

Could we, in light of this, have MajorTom11's links to the previous Redstarone, Matthew Bonder and other aliases and their thread links placed in your original post for people to be able to view?

RF are now trying to a,me out they ONLY wanted to take orders for those Fulgrim's they knew they could get at 1 per person....

Anyone got a grab of the (now deleted) posts where he contradicted this?

RF are now trying to a,me out they ONLY wanted to take orders for those Fulgrim's they knew they could get at 1 per person....

Anyone got a grab of the (now deleted) posts where he contradicted this?

So he said that two co-owners would attend, so you are looking for the statement that more than two would be available, correct?

Yeah.

I'm more than certain he made a comment about 'full suitcases' - in that comment he mentioned more than 3 Fulgrim's (and no mention of buying unwanted purchases off other gamers)....

He's spammed the FW FB page claiming that this is what he always claimed.... And then snipped the comments to his own page.

Didn't he say the pre-order slots he had was at about 6?

Didn't he say the pre-order slots he had was at about 6?

That's what he wrote. But of course it's not there anymore (as so many, many, many other posts.

So, as I'm essentially new to the hobby (Having last participated in the 80s), the name is new to me. I've been following this with interest, as it's always good to know which companies/individuals to avoid, but I am amazed by the behaviour of this guy. How old is he, and is English not his first language?

He is 28 and English is regrettably his first language, though his grasp of it is quite basic.

 Squidbot wrote:
So, as I'm essentially new to the hobby (Having last participated in the 80s), the name is new to me. I've been following this with interest, as it's always good to know which companies/individuals to avoid, but I am amazed by the behaviour of this guy. How old is he, and is English not his first language?

He's older than I am (so at least 25), and English is (to our knowledge) his first language, but that's neither here nor there. I believe it's more or less not taking the time to edit and correct grammatical mistakes. Or it could be something else along the lines of dyslexia. BUT like I said, that's neither here nor there.

What is here and there is the fact that Mr. Mandelbaum is at least 1/3rd owner of Resin Forge (possible up to one half or more). And Resin Forge has been caught with their proverbial pants down about coming clean as a company about ownership, staff, etc...


Alph, have you heard back from their customer service email?

 Alfndrate wrote:


Alph, have you heard back from their customer service email?

Ha-ha...oh, you're serious. Although maybe a reply isn't too much to expect, but a helpful answer would be.

Also Inq S, have you found any past posts saying a really high number of preorders? I saw posts promising the pre orders being filled, but none on volume.

Also, does anyone know if this post on the FW page;
<name redacted> Offered to help to pick up limited models for them at a previous event (before we knew what they where going to be). They saw what they where and then never responded to msg when they clearly decided they didn't actually want them.Like · Reply · 42 minutes ago

Is refering to Resin Forge? It seems like they are, and if so they aren't exactly clean as a stand alone company already (disregarding Mandlebaum's previous capers)

Edit: that comment has already been taken down...by FW for being ot or on RF's request?

It doesn't really matter how many RF have promised to be able to supply, the fact of the matter is that no one can guarantee to go to the event and leave with a Fulgrim model, it's a pre-release item and for what we know they could have only 10 or 15 in stock as FW have not said that it would be available in large quantities at the event, nor that any participants are guaranteed one (if they wish to get one) and it is not possible to reserve any of the pre-release items.

So even if you had 20 people going there would be no guarantee at all that you would be able to get hold on even 1 of these models as you have no idea about how many people attend, how many will be there super early to get a Fulgrim model or other pre-release item, how muck stock will be available of each item and so on.

It is a highly unprofessional business approach to sell something in advance on these terms of actually getting a hold of said product, a product that they don't even know the price of yet making it even harder for themselves to guarantee a profit on such a business venture.

This is enough to tell my common sense to not buy that particular service off of them at least, and that is without taking any of the other events recently in account.

Also Inq S, have you found any past posts saying a really high number of preorders? I saw posts promising the pre orders being filled, but none on volume.

Finding posts is like trying to save books from an already burning library. He was and is removing everything that could even be slightly incriminating However I can't say I saw don't know how high numbers. I have seen "6".

The guy(s) with nothing to hide sure are acting like they are hiding many things and refusing to use quotable ways of communication.

 yakface wrote:


I also will not be looking to pursue any legal actions for this whole matter because frankly I have no interest in wasting any more of my time on this ridiculousness. The entire point of the original thread (and this one) continues to be just to identify that Daniel Mandelbaum is an owner of Resin Forge, which has been amply accomplished by this point.

Does this include reporting the matter to appropriate authorities and letting them handle it?

That's incredibly unfortunate as it's like witnessing a crime and ignoring it so that the perpetrator walks away. In fact, it IS being witness to a crime and ignoring it to let the perpetrator get away with it.

He initially put no limit on it. Then he said he had 5 for sure and would buy the left-overs at the end of the day and if necessary haggle in the parking lot with other attendees for whatever he needed, going so far as to call this common practice. (which it may be, but only if you haven't pre defined the price as CHEAPER than ordering from FW lol!).

He then went back to five (2 RF owners, 3 friends) after everyone started pointing out how absolutely insane that was.

This is all from memory I didn't keep screenshots, but that was the order of things.

He initially put no limit on it. Then he said he had 5 for sure and would buy the left-overs at the end of the day and if necessary haggle in the parking lot with other attendees for whatever he needed, going so far as to call this common practice. (which it may be, but only if you haven't pre defined the price as CHEAPER than ordering from FW lol!).

I remember (and of that one I have a screenshot) that the first one to order a Fulgrim was a guy from Switzerland (didn't look like a fake profile). So being FROM Switzerland doesn't necessarily mean that one is residing there right now. Otherwise the scheme (fly from Texas to Nottingham, buy miniature, fly back, pack miniature and send it back to Europe) would seem even more, erm, exotic But hey, even if, everybody as they want, in that case I'd nevertheless be interested how much they charge for shipping

Fact stays that even fake Britcons wasn't a law firm but a mercenary company. That he called the fake identity his lawyer and mandated it to write the C&D email and that he still claims it to be real, hiding its identity. And still calling an uninvolved photographer from Germany as his legal representative is ... well ... unusual and more than just fishy.

Fact stays that even fake Britcons wasn't a law firm but a mercenary company. That he called the fake identity his lawyer and mandated it to write the C&D email and that he still claims it to be real, hiding its identity. And still calling an uninvolved photographer from Germany as his legal representative is ... well ... unusual and more than just fishy.

Is he STILL doing that? In any case I would love to have a statement of Resin Forge regarding their choice of legal representation and what they have to say about them not existing. Volunteers?

Well was it an actual letter or did someone else fake a letter as a prank to this board? I was getting the vibe that this was a prank stunt.

If its a real C&E letter from a bogus firm, thats not legally prudent.