MajorTom11 wrote: What a load... Mandelbaum that is such a con. Resin Forge the company (? lol) never owed anyone something, but Daniel Mandelbaum owes tons of people still last I checked.
Legally, I don't think a company is responsible for the private debt of its owner, depends on the company structure.
Not saying that Resin Forge doesn't owe anyone anything nor that Mandelbaum does or does not.
Indeed you are entirely correct. And technically, so is he. The point is that he picks and chooses when resin forge is Mandelbaum and when they are separate according to convenience.
On reputation, he wants us to forget about Mandelbaum the individual and be addressed and treated only as ResinForge who is Mandelbaum, washing his hands of his past actions and claiming that since Resin Forge has a relatively clean track record, he should be judged solely on that.
Then when it comes to him owing people still, he wants to completely divorce Daniel Mandelbaum from Resin Forge, so that ResinForge doesn't have to admit to being associated with past shenanigans of one of it's owners.
I.e whatever is convenient to say or do, whatever he can manage to play semantics with, he will do it in order to avoid fessing up. Just like he completely avoids answering direct questions that would result in a concrete commitment or admission.
Hey Daniel, show us a business # or tax registration and I'll shut up about it though. If you aren't registered and paying taxes though, that means there is no ResinForge, only you, in which case ResinForge most certainly still has unresolved issues with past customers, as Daniel Mandelbaum has unresolved issues with past customers.
Even disregarding that, all the HH weekender and Fulgrim talk from him before the fact, and when it panned out it didn't make any sense whatsoever as he stated it, he just clammed up completely. You would think, had Resin Forge been honest about their plans and methods, they would be burying the internet in photos from the weekender and their fist-fulls of Fulgrims to prove they are on the up and up and really show we were doubting them unfairly.
Instead, utter black-out silence on that front, no admission whether they were there or not, and no acknowledgement of all that talk and promises he put out before the weekend. Just wants to shut down all discussion and pretend it never happend, instead of taking any sort of responsibility or having any real honesty with his clients.
He has no clue that this mess is of his own making. He calls us haters etc and pretends like we are creating this and sustaining it on our own... No Daniel, you have taken a few teensy weensy steps in the right direction, but you continue shady behavior and hiding and so long as you don't act in an honest up front way, and so long as you try to cover up your past instead of making amends for it, you will always have suspicion against you.
It takes someone really special to impersonate other people, start 4-5 businesses under aliases and leave people hanging, make up a dead wife and daughter as an excuse and repeatedly lie to customers and the community to then be up in arms and confused why people don't trust him and have an extremely negative outlook on him and his business. It really takes a pair of brass ones to do all that and then call other people the bad guy.
Just because he can, doesn't mean he has to show and tell the world, but I wonder if he actually got hands on any of this Fulgrim business, or has he returned/taken money from people for Fulgrim orders? I guess we'll find out here in about a month when people start complaining about RF. Provided this all actually took place, and whatnot.
He certainly doesn't have to, you are correct again.
However, there is great benefit to be gained, if he was honest and 2 RF people were there, and they got the minimum amount of Fulgrims he promised. It would be fantastic PR for him, it would force an admission that we were wrong, it would show to all his customers that RF kept it's word and they are on the up and up... win win win win win for RF.
Not saying anything only casts doubt and suspicion on a company that's main problem is that they are under heavy doubt and suspicion due to the past activities of one of the allegedly 3 owners. What is there to be gained for them by throwing fuel on the fire after everyone said their promises didn't add up? Usually, when you succeed or meet your obligations, you proudly share it lol. Not saying anything has only hurt their reputation and case.
It's not rocket science. He doesn't have to do anything anyone here asks of him obviously, but some things would most certainly be in his own best interest, were he able to demonstrate honesty.
A good first step Mandelbaum, but in my book that's all it is.
Indeed.
If anyone catches him starting a new business, just post it here so we can let people know. My gaming group won't be buying anything from him so long as we stay vigilant.
100% agree with you, Tom. Did we ever confirm that Resin Forge is indeed a legitimate tax-paying company? I only ask this because their PR or lack thereof could make or break them, as with most companies, but if they aren't paying taxes as a legitimate company I guess the only need to break even to stay afloat. As a human being, I would much rather see a personally owned small business succeed than to fail, but if they are going to screw things up, regularly screw a customer, etc I'd like to watch them fail(I am assuming that RF will or continues to mess things up).
Also: Anyone notice that Resin Forge has two facebook pages? One is Resin Forge, the other is Resin Forge store. Wonder whats up with that?
No one should give him money for his 'businesses' online. It's just throwing good money after bad. If he has any real intention to pay people back then he should earn honest money offline, not take more money off new customers to cover old debts. He's supposedly paid Alpharius off right? Did he take orders for Fulgrims to cover that? Just curious, because you won't get an honest answer from Mandelbaum. If so he's just moving money he owes around.
Firehead158 wrote: 100% agree with you, Tom. Did we ever confirm that Resin Forge is indeed a legitimate tax-paying company? I only ask this because their PR or lack thereof could make or break them, as with most companies, but if they aren't paying taxes as a legitimate company I guess the only need to break even to stay afloat. As a human being, I would much rather see a personally owned small business succeed than to fail, but if they are going to screw things up, regularly screw a customer, etc I'd like to watch them fail(I am assuming that RF will or continues to mess things up).
Also: Anyone notice that Resin Forge has two facebook pages? One is Resin Forge, the other is Resin Forge store. Wonder whats up with that?
No official business information about RF has been released. No tax ID, no DBA registration, nothing.
Daniel is expecting the heat to die down and for the world to forget this ever came up. He still insists that his C&D was legitimate, and that they have tightened the reigns on what they say based on legal counsel. None of which is verified. We proved 100% that the C&D was fake. RF took responsibility for it, meaning it wasn't someone pretending to be RF.
Daniel mentioned several times that there were multiple police reports filed, and there weren't. Just the single one from 5/6/13 while he was trying to get me fired.
Which again, let's not forget that whole fiasco was done officially as Resin Forge. THAT company called my work, harassed employees, and tried to get me fired.
MajorTom11 wrote: What a load... Mandelbaum that is such a con. Resin Forge the company (? lol) never owed anyone something, but Daniel Mandelbaum owes tons of people still last I checked.
Legally, I don't think a company is responsible for the private debt of its owner, depends on the company structure.
Not saying that Resin Forge doesn't owe anyone anything nor that Mandelbaum does or does not.
That all depends if there is a company at all... but ya. When it comes to Mandelbaum basically you can put 'alleged' or 'supposedly' in front of just about everything he says. As in supposedly there are 3 partners. Allegedly Resin Forge is an actual company.
Riddle me this planet Earth... if you got into business with 2 other people, invested time and money getting going, then later found out that one of your new partners was massively implicated in alleged theft and alleged scamming for 4+ years under multiple aliases and multiple companies, and then had that blow up in your face and cause terrible word of mouth and intense scrutiny on your investment... do you then just proceed like nothing has changed without missing a beat?
Does that make sense in a 3 way partnership where the other two were allegedly unaware of his past? Would you absorb the financial baggage of Mandelbaum on your otherwise good name?
As MJ used to say, Sha-mon.
If there were two other people, then the only way they would have been brought up to speed and on the defensive speaking for him and RF so immediately would be if they knew about Mandelbaum before... So supposed 'Kim' (which I have a feeling is just an alias he made up while using his ex-wife Stephanie's info, same last name) and alleged 'Jason' would have had to have known about Mandelbaum all along, in which case there is no hope whatsoever for that alleged bunch.
Or
There is no Kim and no Jason, there is just Mandelbaum throwing up misdirection and ablative smoke screens to distract and confuse a very, very clear cut history and issue.
Supposedly allegedly.
The only thing that is not supposedly alleged in my eyes is the fact he for some reason or other is desperate not to ditch the RF name... perhaps it should not be as surprising as it is... after all, out of the 4-5 outfits he founded and ran in the hobby, this is the only one with his real name attached to it...
Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".
So RF was formed in 2008 ? by "Tiny" who we must assume is Mandelbaum (might just look through "Tiny,s" posts you know to see if "Kim" or "Jason" turn up )
Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".
It's not libel (which is the term I assume he intended to type, but his English skills are lacking).
It's the internet. Does he really think that you making an anonymous comment on some random site is actionable? Your name isn't tied here. Your identity here is private. He can threaten you all he wants.
Now we know very well that the current Resin Forge is not the same as what may have existed in 2008. The sites registration was in November of 2012. That is when it popped up. The 2008 version and anyone connected with it we can safely assume are not related to the site.
Daniel is a liar, in every sense of the word. The problem he's run into is that he's not that clever, and he can't keep long term track of his lies.
This is a video of the original Resin Forge people. During this time Daniel was running the Matthew Bonder alias, and certainly did not have RF.
Ah right ( i have no idea how this internet witchcraft does stuff like that ) i shall put down my burning pitchfolk and stop trawling 20 pages of some ones posts
It's the same URL, and that is how the internet works. If someone bought the name Resin Forge and their URL, they could build a new site at that URL and any old links would still work but direct you to the new site even if it was hosted on a new server.
I don't understand the implications.
Is Daniel Mandelbaum claiming that he is Tiny out of Monkeycrap and started Resin Forge in 2008 with a guy called Paul?
Is he claiming that he bought the original Resin Forge identity (logo, domain name, etc) from the original owners?
Is Paul one of the current members of staff? When did he join? He wasn't listed in the C&D letter.
No, current Resin Forge has nothing to do with old Resin Forge says the email. And it's not Dan who's reading the thread at the moment and emailed me apparently, it's one of the other two they said, but they both were told they're not allowed to make accounts to post here.
AduroT - given that the previous C&D letter was fond to be a total load of steaming horse manure, care to share the content of this current missive?
Just when you think that RF could (and I use the word advisedly) be on the road to rehabilitation by starting to sort out the debts ran up by Mandelbonder, they manage to snatch further embarrassment out of the jaws of victory.
Alongside the now quite obvious fact that they have ZERO stock of any kind from the HH weekender, and that since that weekend they've only posted a couple of crappy conversion pictures, the jig surely is up for RF? I know he's hanging on (by what looks like the skin of his teeth), but he ant keep going for much longer.
Well if "Kim" or "Jason" want to get t things there side of they can PM me on Warseer (same name ) and i'll forward them to this thread (just so they can set the record straight)
AduroT wrote: No, current Resin Forge has nothing to do with old Resin Forge says the email. And it's not Dan who's reading the thread at the moment and emailed me apparently, it's one of the other two they said, but they both were told they're not allowed to make accounts to post here.
If the current Resin Forge is not the 2008 Resin Forge, the forum post in 2008 has no relevance to the current Resin Forge. It doesn't make any sense to use it to threaten someone about alleged libel.
Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".
Daniel Mandelbaum mailed you about which post you made where? Where did he mail you to. Which e-mail address did he use?
Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".
Daniel Mandelbaum mailed you about which post you made where? Where did he mail you to. Which e-mail address did he use?
Earlier today I googled "Resin Forge" out of curiosity to see what would come up. One of the results was the post by some guy who set up Resin Forge with Paul on another forum.
When someone commented in this thread about the three owners Dan, Jason and Kim, I replied about seeing the post talking about Paul.
Resin Forge emailed me at my standard adurot@gmail.com address that's linked to this account here asking where I heard about this Paul. Got a second email before I even saw the first where they had found the post themselves as well and said it wasn't them, pointed out it was from five years ago, and told me to fix my mistake because it was liable.
Yes, the link in the old post takes you to the new site. That's because with the same name, they both use the same address. If I move out of my house and someone else moves in, trying to send mail to my old address will have it sent to the new owners. Same thing here.
No, I didn't take what was apparently a misspelled legal threat about a simple mistake on the Internet seriously and laughed at it, but I can also admit when I'm wrong so I followed up here that it was indeed a five year old post and has nothing to do with the current Resin Forge.
Was also pointed out to me in an email that my assumption it was Dan that emailed me is apparently wrong, and they made reference to being a girl, so that means its apparently Kim. I of course have no way to verify who it is.
Why they would jump on the comment about there being a Paul? Well if there was a big debate about who's real or not, and someone (me) jumps in and says oh there's also totally this other guy they've not even mentioned yet, I'd want to clear that up as well. Seems perfectly reasonable, though they did come across rather brash with that apparent legal threat right out of the gate over what was clearly a simple mistake.
And the email says its Dakka who told the other two owners they cant make an account, not Dan. Was also mentioned even if they did everyone would just say they were Dan anyways.
They also said the product from the HH weekender has been mailed out to customers.
Final comment as full disclosure, Resin Forge offered to send me some free bitz as compensation for fixing my error here and generally being non biased. Not decided yet on if I'll take them up on that or not. I do like bitz, so I'll probably browse their store tomorrow and see what they've got to offer.
And with that, I'll back out of this current brouhaha of my own making as it was all a misunderstanding and should not reflect on current issues. Back to lurking...
Mandelbaum is a liar, out and out lol... What, we told 'Kim' and 'Jason' they couldn't make accounts before we even knew it was Mandelbaum at RF? There was a gap of months lol...
Daka loves getting in touch with random companies and telling them not to make accounts for no reason lol. And so nice of alleged Kim and supposed Jason to accommodate the request by then showing their trademark restraint not making an account anyways... Yup... Restraint is a byword for RF when it comes to the Internet and not picking fights! Oh wait lol.
The problem with Mandelbaum is compulsive lying without thinking thins through, then losing track of his stories. He is also loving threatening anyone who even types his name into a keyboard with 'liable' without understanding what it even means lol...
It appears that:
1) there used to be in 2008 a company called 'Resin Forge' who attended games days and sold GW stock.
2) there was a member of that RF who was called Paul
3) at some point that RF went bust / went out of business
4) Daniel Mandelbraum / Matthew Bonder / Kim Hernandez / Jason whoever then started posting as RF earlier this year, and setup a website using the same URL as the old RF 5) Daniel is not the only person(ality) at RF 6) someone emailed to claim libel / liable for comments made surrounding the use of the name 'Paul' in relation to RF 'now' as opposed to RF 'then'.
I seriously doubt ANYONE has had new stock from Daniel / Jason / Kim / Matthew. It's easy to say this is the case - but where is the proof? If it was me I would have been posting pictures of the packets and screaming 'SCREW YOU DAKKA!' At the top of my lungs to prove us wrong on the accusations, but, There is, to paraphrase the Matrix, no spoon. Or in this case, no stock.
There never was.
He's a lying toad - a Walter Mitty.
Registration for the domain prob lapsed and Mandelbaum bought it from go daddy or whatever... Prob no connection whatsoever... Resin Forge is not the hardest name to come up with for our industry after all.
Final comment as full disclosure, Resin Forge offered to send me some free bitz as compensation for fixing my error here and generally being non biased. Not decided yet on if I'll take them up on that or not. I do like bitz, so I'll probably browse their store tomorrow and see what they've got to offer.
Wait, wait, wait.
You were/ are NOT a customer of Resin Forge and had/ have no oustanding things to settle with them and they offered to send you bits (incl. postage costs?) just so that you remove a comment where you say there was another company with the same name 5 years ago?
Is that correct? So basically they offer you stuff to change statements?
'Thanks for being non-biased', so here's some freebies to change your previous comments.
I suggest you *don't* give them your personal details and home address given that only a little earlier they wanted to take action against you for 'liable' and have a habit of harassing and abusing people over the phone.
I wouldn't give that guy your personal info if you know what's good for you dude lol....
And yes, 'they' expect if they give you anything that he has then bought you. If you say or do anything other than support him after that, silence counting as betrayal as well btw, he will badger the hell out of you. He has nothing better to do than email strangers in a harassing relentless fashion, trust me.
MajorTom11 wrote: I wouldn't give that guy your personal info if you know what's good for you dude lol....
And yes, 'they' expect if they give you anything that he has then bought you. If you say or do anything other than support him after that, silence counting as betrayal as well btw, he will badger the hell out of you. He has nothing better to do than email strangers in a harassing relentless fashion, trust me.
Allegedly harass! You dont want to get a sternly worded email!
I find it funny that they offered bits for taking a comment that was an obvious mistake and fixing it.
So all someone would have to do is say Joe works at RF and apologize for some bits? Sounds like a sweet deal if it were any company beyond RF.
They did not offer to send me stuff and ask me to change my post. They told me to change my post because it was wrong, and it was wrong, so I did change it. The offer for free bitz came a couple of emails later and was not tied to any conditions. I'm also not Super worried about giving them my address as it literally takes two google searches to find it. I'm not very anonymous really. I'm actually kind of curious to see if I'd actually get them. Not saying I don't believe them or think they're lying, just, well, you know, Dan's reputation and all...
MajorTom11 wrote: I wouldn't give that guy your personal info if you know what's good for you dude lol....
And yes, 'they' expect if they give you anything that he has then bought you. If you say or do anything other than support him after that, silence counting as betrayal as well btw, he will badger the hell out of you. He has nothing better to do than email strangers in a harassing relentless fashion, trust me.
Allegedly harass! You dont want to get a sternly worded email!
I find it funny that they offered bits for taking a comment that was an obvious mistake and fixing it.
So all someone would have to do is say Joe works at RF and apologize for some bits? Sounds like a sweet deal if it were any company beyond RF.
I don't have to say alleged if I've seen/experienced it both to myself and others
So to be clear about everything, there was a company called Resin Forge set up in 2008 to make 40K buildings. They have since gone out of business.
Daniel Mandelbaum and his two associates bought the name and URL for their own business, presumably last autumn, but there is no connection between the two companies.
The "Tiny" in Monkeycrap is not Daniel Mandelbaum. The "Paul" is no-one associated with the current Resin Forge.
"RF partial inventory including many things not in the shop yet. This will be the one and only time we will "prove" anything to the certain group that keeps saying we have no stock. Also its worth noting that we do not update orders publicly except on rare instances. The HH weekender items we got on hand have gone out. All have been delivered (or are in transit to the more remote places) with no problems. The extras as well as the Praetors were ordered and those customers talk with us almost daily.
In the photo below you can see weapon boxes and shoulder pads in the back, also with arms and odds and ends, the 3 main ones up front are tons of termies, tons of heads torsos and backpacks in another and the 3rd is full of legs and other bits. The giant pile of bits are ones yet to be put in the shop as are the pile of FW bags (9 but its hard to see) as well as 3 more blisters. The black boxes are HH character bits.
Can the rumors about us not sending orders or having stock please stop now?"
So if i post a picture of my bits box's that proves i'm legitimate!!!!!!!! dude i could go photo mine and my friends right now we would look like GW headquarters and FW put together
"RF partial inventory including many things not in the shop yet. This will be the one and only time we will "prove" anything to the certain group that keeps saying we have no stock. Also its worth noting that we do not update orders publicly except on rare instances. The HH weekender items we got on hand have gone out. All have been delivered (or are in transit to the more remote places) with no problems. The extras as well as the Praetors were ordered and those customers talk with us almost daily.
In the photo below you can see weapon boxes and shoulder pads in the back, also with arms and odds and ends, the 3 main ones up front are tons of termies, tons of heads torsos and backpacks in another and the 3rd is full of legs and other bits. The giant pile of bits are ones yet to be put in the shop as are the pile of FW bags (9 but its hard to see) as well as 3 more blisters. The black boxes are HH character bits.
Can the rumors about us not sending orders or having stock please stop now?"
So if i post a picture of my bits box's that proves i'm legitimate!!!!!!!! dude i could go photo mine and my friends right now we would look like GW headquarters and FW put together
Same here, I keep every box I get from GW, an odd habit. I could look like a Legit Space Marine dealer in no time if all it took were some pictures
"RF partial inventory including many things not in the shop yet. This will be the one and only time we will "prove" anything to the certain group that keeps saying we have no stock. Also its worth noting that we do not update orders publicly except on rare instances. The HH weekender items we got on hand have gone out. All have been delivered (or are in transit to the more remote places) with no problems. The extras as well as the Praetors were ordered and those customers talk with us almost daily.
In the photo below you can see weapon boxes and shoulder pads in the back, also with arms and odds and ends, the 3 main ones up front are tons of termies, tons of heads torsos and backpacks in another and the 3rd is full of legs and other bits. The giant pile of bits are ones yet to be put in the shop as are the pile of FW bags (9 but its hard to see) as well as 3 more blisters. The black boxes are HH character bits.
Can the rumors about us not sending orders or having stock please stop now?"
As usual an answer that addresses a question that nobody asked (if they had an inventory for the shop products) and circles around the actual question asked (where are the pictures of the HH weekender products).
Almost admirable efforts to always look as the victim by so selectively picking out posts and items.
They are still very much reading this thread as they have mentioned, "Why are people thinking there are plastic bits there? More importantly, why are people thinking the exact stock we have on the site, now clearly seen in a picture, can be called 'a personal bits box'. Clearly it's the inventory from the shop."
Well clearly they've never seen some of the dakkanauts' bits boxes. I believe there is a picture on that large Mantis Warriors blog that shows at least double the bits in RF's photo.
I know that you all are reading this Resin Forge, seriously Kim and Jason can easily create an account here, they haven't been banned. Make an account and actually communicate, or hell set up a Reddit AMA. Talk with your dissenters, and work to get this ish settled.
Tom Sweo:
The claims of product was for the fulgrim models you got, I question I asked a few weeks ago and was ignored :-\… I just wanted to see the model in its box/blister in its unassembled beauty...
Resin Forge Store:
Why would we open a product for a customer? The box itself is the normal HH box. When the others we ordered arrive we will have them as bits in the shop, as well as 2 sets of praetors. Those we will open and have for sale as bits.
Resin Forge Store:
Also the claim was not just for Fulgrim. It was questioning our entire stock. The picture clearly shows the exact stock we have in the shop.
Mr Mandelbaum, there we have two "inaccuracies":
1.) nobody here doubted the "entire stock."
2.) Just shortly before you said "RF partial inventory including many things not in the shop yet", now it's suddenly "the exact stock we have in the shop". Contradictory? Or you don't know what you have in the shop and what is in the picture?
You should at least be able to remember what you just said shortly before.
Automatically Appended Next Post: You will note he is making claims he got items and already shipped them that could only be purchased at the weekender... Yet cannot produce a pic of Kim and Jason's from the weekender, nor show an image of the products in question.
Typical Mandelbaum, acts like he is proving something while in fact dodging everything...
Daniel, quick, I dare you, prove Jason and Kim went to the hh weekender... Show some pics, a hotel bill, plane tickets, stamps on their passports, refer us to a reliable uk based person who was verifiably at the event and met them... I triple dare you son!
Daniel, quick, I dare you, prove Jason and Kim went to the hh weekender... Show some pics, a hotel bill, plane tickets, stamps on their passports, refer us to a reliable uk based person who was verifiably at the event and met them... I triple dare you son!
He can't as he is busy bashing the Lexicanum again
And funny how (again) he accuses people of the things he was just shortly before accused of. Defintely Mr Mandelbaum at the keyboard there
Yes Inquisitor S., "Resin Forge" as an entity seems to have issues with phrasing (Archer.jpg)--in regards to Daniel/Kim/whatever else other name is floating around.
Does Resin Forge have a brick/mortar store front?
Does Resin Forge have a trade account with Games Workshop?
It's not even dads basement. He lives with Grandma and Grandpa, as does daddy.
As always, there is no Kim, there is no Jason. They have no photos from HH weekend because fictitious people can't go to real events.
No one cares about what "stock" they have on hand. We care only about Fulgrim, and the proof that RF ever had a single one to begin with. Random comments from private accounts in Europe on Facebook are hardly proof.
At this point, the ONLY thing that would sate the community as a start would be for Kim and Jason to get on the phone, talk with me, and then show themselves publicly with some form of verified message proving that they are not just random pics from the interwebs.
Kim, you know where I work. My extension is 130. I welcome a call from you to work this all out. Daniel of course is not welcome to call, as he burnt that bridge earlier this month.
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AgeOfEgos wrote: Yes Inquisitor S., "Resin Forge" as an entity seems to have issues with phrasing (Archer.jpg)--in regards to Daniel/Kim/whatever else other name is floating around.
Does Resin Forge have a brick/mortar store front?
Does Resin Forge have a trade account with Games Workshop?
Tom - that's the thing, he can't prove it can he, as its nothing but a thin tissue of LIES
Daniel:
A) the boxes of 'stock' - be it partial or otherwise, proves nothing. Where are the HH Weekender parts? Oh yes, that's right, you've already shipped out the Fulgrims. Ok, that's plausible, apart from.... You've dodged answering a straight question several times on how many you managed to grab haven't you? Also, I have probably 10 boxes similar to those (I use the Really Useful Box Co.s versions as I can sort to my hearts content) all full of FW parts, and possibly another dozen with GW parts. What does that prove? That we're bothk high consumers of GW stock. What it doesn't prove is that you have stock purchased from the HH weekend legitimately does it?
2) proving you / Jason / Kim were there is impossible as you weren't there - no directly attributable pictures, no stubs for tickets, no receipts.... Not to mention I even offered you / your multiple personalities a pint if you met me at the Belfry - I'd even have gone public and apologised for doubting you! Instead I got a very nice evening taking part in a quiz with friends, whilst asking anyone with even a whiff of an American accent if they knew of Resin Forge. None of which admitted any involvement even on the ofference of beer...!
You've been found out - you were found out weeks ago . Those who still support you will no doubt come a cropper with you at some point when you let them down as you always do.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'll also add that it's strange that the 'people' who apparently offered him their Fulgrims are nowhere to be seen .....?
Alkasyn wrote: To me it looks like paying off Alpharius is done to create a fake image of good will so that others don't go up in arms and cancel their orders.
Whoa - settle down there!
I was not "paid off" - I was PAID BACK - as in, money that was owed to me for years now was FINALLY returned.
BIG difference.
I am glad it is finally over and done with, but there's no quid pro quo, other than I can FINALLY be done with trying to get back what was owed to me.
Alkasyn wrote: To me it looks like paying off Alpharius is done to create a fake image of good will so that others don't go up in arms and cancel their orders.
Whoa - settle down there!
I was not "paid off" - I was PAID BACK - as in, money that was owed to me for years now was FINALLY returned.
BIG difference.
I am glad it is finally over and done with, but there's no quid pro quo, other than I can FINALLY be done with trying to get back what was owed to me.
He means that RF's side of this looks like "paying off" in the sense that by fixing what is owed to YOU, all other issues will go away. That doesn't require any action from you, nor have you taken any. You have finally been righted after years of headache. That is a good thing. But it does not fix all that is wrong with RF or Mandelbondsley.
Alkasyn wrote: To me it looks like paying off Alpharius is done to create a fake image of good will so that others don't go up in arms and cancel their orders.
Whoa - settle down there!
I was not "paid off" - I was PAID BACK - as in, money that was owed to me for years now was FINALLY returned.
BIG difference.
I am glad it is finally over and done with, but there's no quid pro quo, other than I can FINALLY be done with trying to get back what was owed to me.
He means that RF's side of this looks like "paying off" in the sense that by fixing what is owed to YOU, all other issues will go away. That doesn't require any action from you, nor have you taken any. You have finally been righted after years of headache. That is a good thing. But it does not fix all that is wrong with RF or Mandelbondsley.
But at the same time, Resin Forge is playing semantics (in a move I think is quite stupid). They claim that they have never owed anything, instead of coming out and saying, "One of the owners here at RF had gotten himself into some bad business practices and has hurt some people in our great hobby, and the other two here at Resin Forge are not about screwing over the community. We have since helped our third owner Daniel Mandelbaum pay back the money he owed to <redacted>. We are sorry things got to the point they had." BUT that would be what would happen if there was a board of 3 members, and Kim and Jason could overrule Daniel and not have this PR nightmare.
Am I the only one who thinks its hilarious that whomever, thought that publishing a CandD naming the owner of a business when the slander was naming the owner of the business? I do.
Dylan LuciustheEternal Murphy
That person also is no longer involved with Resin Forge.
Seriously, you can make the same point without sounding like a douchebag.
LEXICANUM:
Dylan LuciustheEternal Murphy: you are saying Daniel Mandelbaum is not longer co-owner of Resin Forge?
Could somebody please point me at the last confirmed instance of Mandelbaum claiming to be co-owner of Resin Forge? Otherwise it's May 24th (Alpharius' statement).
Well, we have his "legal" filing where he claimed to be the owner.
The C&D Letter that began this thread?
Both older than Alpharius's statement. In any case this new defender so far could not present any statement that would show his claim.
Yeah, the link he posted was to the Issues with ResinForge thread, and the post he linked to said nothing about Daniel not being a part of it. Unless the FB user Dylan is midget overlord (the OP of that thread).
Yeah, the link he posted was to the Issues with ResinForge thread, and the post he linked to said nothing about Daniel not being a part of it. Unless the FB user Dylan is midget overlord (the OP of that thread).
I don't know. I am fairly sure that Dylan is the guy who had ordered "The Imperial Truth" to be brought by Resin Forge from the Horus Heresy Weekender. Interesting enough that
Plus, due to economic trouble at my home RF refunded me no questions asked and it was one of the fastest refunds I have dealt with.
So somebody who had ordered stuff from the Heresy Weekender pulled out and now turns up praising the quick refund. After refusing several contact attempts to ask about the book I can add
Resin Forge now claims Mandelbaum has quit fyi. They didn't seem to feel like mentioning that to the greater public... probably because his info and locations will still be Mandelbaum info and locations and he realizes pretending he quit could bite him later as any hint of Mandelbaum from now on will expose another huge lie in my estimation.
At least he left a crack team of partners in his wake who studied all his spelling mistakes and syntax errors, and high strung aggressive emailing and posting policies before he 'left'. We are in good hands people.
Like I said, this was never publicly posted, but you can see that the guy yelling at Lex is implying the same. This was in various emails flying around in the past 2-3 days.
Like I said, this was never publicly posted, but you can see that the guy yelling at Lex is implying the same. This was in various emails flying around in the past 2-3 days.
Like I said, this was never publicly posted, but you can see that the guy yelling at Lex is implying the same. This was in various emails flying around in the past 2-3 days.
Emails from who to who?
I'm assuming that Tom and RF have been in communications. Though a nice little repost, with important things like your name and email. taken out might be helpful
Nope, would rather keep any detailing of that nature to myself... if you guys trust me on this subject, which I hope you would at this point, just take my word for it.
You know how he is, there is no point saying any names or he will just cluster bomb their inboxes with vitriol...
I'm assuming that Tom and RF have been in communications. Though a nice little repost, with important things like your name and email. taken out might be helpful
In any case we have all the Mandelbaum addresses. Will be easy to check that with future orders and payments.
Alkasyn wrote: To me it looks like paying off Alpharius is done to create a fake image of good will so that others don't go up in arms and cancel their orders.
Whoa - settle down there!
I was not "paid off" - I was PAID BACK - as in, money that was owed to me for years now was FINALLY returned.
BIG difference.
I am glad it is finally over and done with, but there's no quid pro quo, other than I can FINALLY be done with trying to get back what was owed to me.
I didn't mean it in a negative sense.I certainly didn't want to imply you were bribed
What I meant is that he paid what he was due to make it look like he is trying to turn his "alleged" scams around. Similarly like he asked some people earlier, those who received their stuff, to post in a thread defending him - this time, however, he wouldn't be asking for anything - hoping that by paying you back what he owed to 1 active member of the community, others would assume he runs a legitimate business and did not intend to start any scams.
Whenever Mandelbaum does what he should have done, deliver paid for goods, he thinks he owns you after that. So long as you get paid, whether it be today or 10 years later, not only does he think that absolves him of all responsibility for taking your money without permission for years on end, not only that, but you now owe him for so magnanimously paying you back with absolutely no compensation for the damages he did by taking it without permission in the first place.
Well i for one am Totally convinced and well done to FW for managing to get all that stuff that they had to ship out to the USA out to them in under 5 working days (obviously express delivery ) including casting ( i'm glad i sent FW a message just now praising the dispatch's and inquiring as to when the rest of us can order / receive our Fulgrims) since Yorkshire is that much further away from Nottingham we need that little bit longer
Oh and RF i never said " plastic bits" i said that mine and my good friend's bits boxes were a little bit larger than that photo please don't misquote me that could be misconstrued and people might start being very he said ,they said and unpleasant
I thought, Resin Forge had Mandelbaum's address and phone number. Are you sure, that he didn't just change his identity again?
Guess we have to judge from spelling and attitude of official posts then.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Resin Forge phone is a mobile number, i.e. a cell phone. It could be carried by anyone.
Resin Forge have not made their address public AFAIK.
These points prove nothing about the owners' identities.
Let's not forget that Daniel called saying he was "Jason" from Michael Mandelbaums caller ID to my work, speaking on behalf of Resin Forge. A screenshot of which is posted here somewhere.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Resin Forge phone is a mobile number, i.e. a cell phone. It could be carried by anyone.
Resin Forge have not made their address public AFAIK.
These points prove nothing about the owners' identities.
We do have confirmed delivery addresses for packaged delivered to Resin Forge, which matched the addresses of the business run by the father of Daniel Mandelbaum and the police report filed at the same address last year by Daniel.
That doesn't confirm the address of Resin Forge, it only confirms in effect that Daniel Mandelbaum is involved in the business, which we already knew. He could have taken delivery of the packages at home. I know that is unusual but it is not impossible to imagine, especially for a small three man business.
Then what we do know is that for some reason Resin Forge has declined to make any of their owners information and/or contact information or their registered business address public.
There is no information available that ties Resin Forge to anybody but Daniel.
Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".
"Liable"
He keeps using that word.
I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
Liable:
li·a·ble
[lahy-uh-buhl]
adjective
1. legally responsible: You are liable for the damage caused by your action.
2. subject or susceptible: to be liable to heart disease.
3. likely or apt: He's liable to get angry.
(Although #1 can be used in legal definitions, it's not how he's using it)
Libel:
li·bel
[lahy-buhl] S
li·beled, li·bel·ing or ( especially British ) li·belled, li·bel·ling.
noun
1. Law.
a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
verb (used with object)
3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
Mandelbonder, I know you read this thread... It's about time you started making your empty threats with the appropriate grammatical structure and vocabulary.
Kilkrazy wrote:That doesn't confirm the address of Resin Forge, it only confirms in effect that Daniel Mandelbaum is involved in the business, which we already knew. He could have taken delivery of the packages at home. I know that is unusual but it is not impossible to imagine, especially for a small three man business.
Three "Person" business... Kim may take exception to being called a "man".....
MagickalMemories wrote:
Mandelbonder, I know you read this thread... It's about time you started making your empty threats with the appropriate grammatical structure and vocabulary.
It is only hearsay that there are three persons involved. There is no evidence I know of, just the word of Daniel/Jason/Matthew/MyWife or whatever identity is speaking.
BTW Kim can be anything, e.g. half the Korean names start with Kim (which is the most common family name there and posted first). OTOH Kim Novak is female.
MajorTom11 wrote:Nope, would rather keep any detailing of that nature to myself... if you guys trust me on this subject, which I hope you would at this point, just take my word for it.
You know how he is, there is no point saying any names or he will just cluster bomb their inboxes with vitriol...
I have no problem at all trusting you! (you did get the address to send the Paypal to, right.....?)
MajorTom11 wrote:Whenever Mandelbaum does what he should have done, deliver paid for goods, he thinks he owns you after that. So long as you get paid, whether it be today or 10 years later, not only does he think that absolves him of all responsibility for taking your money without permission for years on end, not only that, but you now owe him for so magnanimously paying you back with absolutely no compensation for the damages he did by taking it without permission in the first place.
It's just another Mandelbaum thing.
He also never considered the amount of money I'd have to spend repainting the things he was paid to paint for me. On my tanks I told him they were "good enough" in hopes of getting my stuff back sooner. Didn't matter. Still took forever AND looked like "poop". I decided along time ago it isn't worth my time and sanity to recoup any more losses.
EDIT: Does saying his work SUCKS open me up to "liable"(I want Dan the man to understand!)? When it is/was a statement of fact?
doc1234 wrote: That surprises me, last I heard regardless of his faults his work when it actually got done was meant to be pretty good?
He could do fantastic work when it was for himself. He painted a CCS officer and a Yarrick for me that were beautiful. Everything else....just really frustratingly horrible. 2 squads that look good until you looked closer and notice there are parts that aren't even primed. One FW Alpha Russ hull that literally had a hole from one side thru to the other. All the FW he was paid to assemble he Failed horribly.
Because a fan pointed that out (apologies if it was mentioned before - I can't remember seeing it). It is pertinent to the issue because it illustrates how even prior to the "uncovering" of Mandelbaum he/ they was/ were already going ape on anybody not agreeing with him/ them. Notice especially his previously established like of the word "troll", that many of us know so well from his facebook page.
I comment in a pretty donkey-cave-ish manner, frankly I find it to be pretty appropriate given his initial reaction to a typo being pointed out, and suddenly in his mind the PMs from a month ago are part of an orchestrated assault by me, a professional troll, dedicated only to fething with him. [...]
If i ever see you again i swear to god you wont insult me again you worthless witch.
He proceeded to start PM'ing me again, insisting that he knew who I was in real life and could we "call off this trollfest". Because once again, anybody who points out any flaw or disagrees with him = troll. I insist that I have no fething idea who he is. The best part? If this dakka post is right, then I really don't know who he is. I played around Dallas, he's from Houston, that's quite a few hours apart. This psycho lied about knowing me for no reason at all, I don't understand it.
This is even better than the facebook posts! Also it does show that Mandelbaum was most likely involved with ResinForge from the get go, or at least has been involved in some manner for the past 4 months or so. Granted, Jason could be the Sons of Horus player with a bit of an angry streak.
Ok so i said it the other day but it seemed to get missed but since i was "misquoted" on the RF facebook page and Kim/Jason claim to be banned from Dakka, i am willing to open a discussion with them so they can give there side of the story via Warseer (same name as here ) i will repost (no edits) anything you want to say here for all to see!
And as an added bonus i have informed a Senior Mod of Warseer to monitor all the PM,s to ensure that there is no bias .
So in essence RF i'm calling you out stop this feuding meet us in an open dialogue (hell RF supporters who don't feel comfortable posting here PM too to get your views in the open ) no edits , no trolling an open conversation
Savagecoyote wrote: Ok so i said it the other day but it seemed to get missed but since i was "misquoted" on the RF facebook page and Kim/Jason claim to be banned from Dakka, i am willing to open a discussion with them so they can give there side of the story via Warseer (same name as here ) i will repost (no edits) anything you want to say here for all to see!
And as an added bonus i have informed a Senior Mod of Warseer to monitor all the PM,s to ensure that there is no bias .
So in essence RF i'm calling you out stop this feuding meet us in an open dialogue (hell RF supporters who don't feel comfortable posting here PM too to get your views in the open ) no edits , no trolling an open conversation
I tried this with Daniel back during the Three Stage Studios incident. I can tell you right now you are wasting your time, and you are inviting an email chain that your mind isn't prepared for grammatically.
Kim, Jason and Resin Forge have not been banned. They are more than welcome to make accounts and post themselves. If they think they are IP banned, that is done rarely, and honestly can be easily circumvented. Daniel MIGHT be IP banned(not sure if he is), but even then he can't be the only one at RF with an internet connection.
Resin Forge has actively ignored requests for them to speak here on their behalf.
I tried this with Daniel back during the Three Stage Studios incident. I can tell you right now you are wasting your time, and you are inviting an email chain that your mind isn't prepared for grammatically.
At least it keeps the form and prevents them from claiming later the usual stuff. Plus any statement from D/K/J should be interesting, as it will be kept for reference against any past or future statements.
But in any case without an official and public statement directly from Resin Forge Mr Mandelbaum was and is (and will stay) co-owner of Resin Forge. Until there is said statement announcing that is not the case.
But in any case without an official and public statement directly from Resin Forge Mr Mandelbaum was and is (and will stay) co-owner of Resin Forge. Until there is said statement announcing that is not the case.
And that's my only problem with whoever MT11 has been emailing and the decision to not release that evidence. I have no reason to doubt what he says, but we've been hyper-critical of asking for ResinForge to provide proof of the legitimacy of his business, just as we had been critical of the Dakka Mods to provide proof of Mandelbaum's past dealings. While past instances of Mandelbaum's actions are well documented and laid out for the community at large, there is a bit of a gap with this. We have the word of a random person on the internet that said Daniel is no longer a part of ResinForge, and then we have MT11 saying the same thing, but providing no real evidence to support the claim. I mean leaving people in the dark is not really what this thread was about was it? I mean if ResinForge and Mandelbaum are no longer together, isn't that something that should be made known to the community beyond the angry yelling of a man on Lexicanum's FB page, and Tom's cryptic post?
Until solid evidence is provided, Daniel Mandelbaum is involved with Resin Forge.
If MT11 has an official statement from them, that is well and dandy, but it is hardly proof.
At this point, knowing how Daniel works, I'd need to talk personally with Kim or Jason and work out some method of verifying their own ID's to even consider any of these rumors true.
As it stands, Daniel is just playing possum and pretending like he's been removed from a company that has zero proof that anyone else is even involved.
Even if there was an official announcement from RF that M. had left, I don't think I would believe it. Considering his past, it would seem to be more likely to be a lie than truth. Short of some fairly significant evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume that M. is still involved and stay well away from RF. I doubt that whatever has been sent to MajorTom11 or any of the mods is such conclusive proof that M. is no longer with RF that I would consider them clean.
Well, 2 things... I don't think he really left personally. 2nd, if Resin Forge chooses not to actually announce it then it isn't 'official' even if they wrote it.
Frankly I think it is just another Mandelbaum move to try and smokescreen - it is his usual behaviour to think that getting his name off it would somehow magically stop the suspicion and give him the 'moral highground'.
At the end of the day, until RF actually makes it official themselves publicly, and provides evidence to support the claim, it's all just hear-say, even if I quote RF directly. We all know facts are few and far between coming from their statements, everything we actually know is from sleuthing, not from any form of open honesty on his end. For now, whether or not they blurted out that he left to a few people really doesn't say much either way.
Even if there was an official announcement from RF that M. had left, I don't think I would believe it.
Who was talking about believing? But if an official statement was issued and then it turns out (as many would expect) later that the name Mandelbaum is still connected to the "business", that be quite revealing for the defenders of the fai..., erm, leader, erm, whatever.
I don't think Resin Forge will engage in the manner people would like because it means putting things in writing, and Mandelbaum has been tripped up many times by things he's written. That's why he'd rather do everything over the phone.
I don't think Resin Forge will engage in the manner people would like because it means putting things in writing, and Mandelbaum has been tripped up many times by things he's written. That's why he'd rather do everything over the phone.
Well, (un)fortunately it is necessary to have both sides to agree on that, ain't it? And I would like to see a shop manage all their "business" purely by phone
I don't think it's possible for Resin Forge to prove that D. Mandelbaum has left the company. They certainly won't do it by releasing vague bits of information in private emails to different people.
It would actually be better for Resin Forge to keep Mandelbaum on staff, while making available information such as their business registration, which people could verify independently.
It would actually be better for Resin Forge to keep Mandelbaum on staff, while making available information such as their business registration, which people could verify independently.
That won't be necessary, at least not if you go by their "likes" on Facebook which are steadily increasing. I guess he/ they found new places to post their models to attract new fans.
It would actually be better for Resin Forge to keep Mandelbaum on staff, while making available information such as their business registration, which people could verify independently.
That won't be necessary, at least not if you go by their "likes" on Facebook which are steadily increasing. I guess he/ they found new places to post their models to attract new fans.
. Or maybe RF or with the help of some blinded fans. Have made a number of fake facebook accounts to get their "likes" up. To more then when all this started. If RF are reading this where are your pictures from the HH weekender? Post them and a picture of your tickets. Show the world that you can tell the truth.
It would actually be better for Resin Forge to keep Mandelbaum on staff, while making available information such as their business registration, which people could verify independently.
That won't be necessary, at least not if you go by their "likes" on Facebook which are steadily increasing. I guess he/ they found new places to post their models to attract new fans.
...if RF are reading this where are your pictures from the HH weekender? Post them and a picture of your tickets. Show the world that you can tell the truth.
Agreed, they have failed to show any of their own pictures from the HH weekender for a while now. It does not take this long to get the pictures up; if they really do have three people working at RF, then it would be even easier to have one person load up the pictures as would be their job to maintain the website/FB page.
So when can we expect the HH weekender pics RF? All you have shown us so far have been yoinked from other people's pictures.
It would actually be better for Resin Forge to keep Mandelbaum on staff, while making available information such as their business registration, which people could verify independently.
That won't be necessary, at least not if you go by their "likes" on Facebook which are steadily increasing. I guess he/ they found new places to post their models to attract new fans.
. Or maybe RF or with the help of some blinded fans. Have made a number of fake facebook accounts to get their "likes" up. To more then when all this started. If RF are reading this where are your pictures from the HH weekender? Post them and a picture of your tickets. Show the world that you can tell the truth.
More likely it's just from what they "MAY HAVE ALLEGEDLY" done to get 2k likes to begin with, you can buy fb likes for something like 1k for $5.
If he got 2000+ likes in 5 months before all this mess started, comparitively since he was 'outted' it's just dripping in.
One wonders how a niche company in a niche market gets 2000+ likes in 5 months, but whatever. Wish there was a cache to see when those likes came in, just out of curiosities sake if nothing else, I can blame the guy for a lot of stuff but getting likes on his account through whatever means isn't a crime.
In comparison, Bitz Barn which has been around for years only has 153 likes, Tabletop Gaming News which appeals to infinitely more people than RF has 5360 likes, and Bolter & Chainsword which again has been around forever only has 1806 likes.
So once can easily estimate that RF's "like" count is BS. Most of the people who do post on that site have 3 friends on FB or have private profiles.
Well given that they have managed to upload pictures of their latest conversions and not a single one from the HH weekend i think its safe to say they didn't take any ,so i think its safe to say they weren't actually there .
As to their alleged satisfied customers i notice that the guy who said he was a real customer and would post pictures of his order when it arrived has posted them to his FB page (again that super speedy international postal service, Texas to Switzerland this time ) and yes there are some bits of FW stuff on a table (nothing from the HH weekend and most definitely not a Fulgrim ) so i will await RF misquoting me on their page about me not believing in their customers and what a terrible person i am
You see you had your chance RF i offered you an opportunity to send me a personal message from your Warseer account to help clear the air and get your side in the open (but obviously you don't want too why is that ?) not even a S*d o*f and leave me alone message
So this weekend i have some free time (and believe me when i say i get really bored on Saturdays now that the football season is over for my team) i'm going to look up Tax Law in the good old state of Texas (and all those finagling things like registering a business etc) and then i'm going to send them along to whoever it is that i discover who should know about these things
RF now asking FW about an order for some Palatine Blades from the HH weekender, which FW have pointed out that were not available at the Weekender.............. Interesting....
But he can't speak to FW as he needs a new phone card ???????? I am so glad i live in the UK and can just pick up a phone and dial an international number
Savagecoyote wrote: But he can't speak to FW as he needs a new phone card ???????? I am so glad i live in the UK and can just pick up a phone and dial an international number
In his defense many US call plans (both home and cell) can prohibit international calls. My wife and I have phone cards on stand-by in case I need to chat to someone back home.
Savagecoyote wrote: But he can't speak to FW as he needs a new phone card ???????? I am so glad i live in the UK and can just pick up a phone and dial an international number
In his defense many US call plans (both home and cell) can prohibit international calls. My wife and I have phone cards on stand-by in case I need to chat to someone back home.
hmmm i suppose. though if your business is selling things you have to import from the UK would it not be easier to be able to phone them than the process of e mails back and forth ( and please tell me that the White House had direct dial i would hate to face Nuclear annihilation and have them have to send out for a Phone card )
RF now asking FW about an order for some Palatine Blades from the HH weekender, which FW have pointed out that were not available at the Weekender.............. Interesting....
Link or screenshot please.
i notice that the guy who said he was a real customer and would post pictures of his order when it arrived has posted them to his FB page (again that super speedy international postal service, Texas to Switzerland this time ) and yes there are some bits of FW stuff on a table (nothing from the HH weekend and most definitely not a Fulgrim )
to be fair i don't think he's claiming thats Fulgrim !!!!
But in Exciting news i have had a message from them (or more correctly 3 2 to my warseer and 1 to the gmail ) timed at 21 03, 21 07 and 21 32 and as i said i would do here they are completely unedited
the 21 03 first......
" http://imgur.com/a/exHPs
And to quote it:
Actually, just read your own post.
That was you 2 days before "wanting to help".
Thanks but no thanks. And have fun with the Texas tax laws. We are already covered there as well but really by all means, spend your free time doing research! From the UK no less. We would have talked with you openly but you, based on the above screen cap (you, not the top person) proves you are biased from the get go.
Thanks again, but no thanks. Do not contact us here again.
PS Your never online and when we search for your user name it wouldn't come up. Also notice how the customers that bought the Fulgrims we got havent complained to Lex or anyone else? Or the fact there were EIGHT people publicly stating they would sell us the fulgrims they got? Although we didnt get nearly those full 8, its obvious you guys dont get your facts correct. Add in this quote as well about multiple owners:
Daniel (I believe, was the original owner that called me and wasnt very polite). From then on I spoke with Jason multiple times, he was always great and always ready to listen to what I had to say. Today, the final call was with Daniel. He apologized for the way he reacted when he originally called.
I liked the fact that he was the one calling to close it off, and not go into hide and avoiding what had happened.
And I am a woman, the entire paypal system is in my name. I call them all the time. The entire talk of fake owners is old at this point. I am only writing you because you are not unbiased as you claim.
Goodbye." (this is all the first message and to point out i had not contacted them in the first place i asked them to contact me!!!!)
Now the 21 07 message......
"We keep getting asked if Daniel has quit. Right now here is the public response:
As of now there is no comment but there is a public one planned and in the works. We simply wish to have legal proof from a firm here in Dallas. We want no nay sayers and no doubt as to who the owners are and with legal documents that can be verified, there should be no problems at all. With that, we will make a public announcement."
and Finally at 21 32.......
" Check your Warseer PMs "Mr. Unbiased' "
See as promised totally unedited nothing removed nothing added ( in fact i will now go and read them myself) the stuff inside the " " is the messages i received (hope that clears the confusion as to who was saying what
Savagecoyote wrote: hmmm i suppose. though if your business is selling things you have to import from the UK would it not be easier to be able to phone them than the process of e mails back and forth ( and please tell me that the White House had direct dial i would hate to face Nuclear annihilation and have them have to send out for a Phone card )
to be fair i don't think he's claiming thats Fulgrim !!!!
We didn't claim that he claimed it was Fulgrim either
As for the rest of your repost: it makes no sense, it'S just rambling somehow. Or I just need a good translator Maybe you can try to put in quotes what was written by who? Does the woman claim to call paypal all the time?!
Also notice how the customers that bought the Fulgrims we got havent complained to Lex or anyone else?
We also haven't seen a SINGLE customer confirm or speak up they received a Fulgrim. So this statement proves how that they went to HH weekender? *puzzled*
LOL, the best part is the last email. Where they sound like there trying to say you missed there emails, and are whining. When all the emails came in after you posted about tax issues. But, the fact the seem to think PM only work while your online, in the first email, is great to, wonder how they turn the computer on in the first place.
@Savagecoyote: I took the liberty to format it like this, does this reflect accurately the content of the messages?
1st message (21:03):
http://imgur.com/a/exHPs
And to quote it:
Actually, just read your own post.
That was you 2 days before "wanting to help".
Thanks but no thanks. And have fun with the Texas tax laws. We are already covered there as well but really by all means, spend your free time doing research! From the UK no less. We would have talked with you openly but you, based on the above screen cap (you, not the top person) proves you are biased from the get go.
Thanks again, but no thanks. Do not contact us here again.
PS Your never online and when we search for your user name it wouldn't come up. Also notice how the customers that bought the Fulgrims we got havent complained to Lex or anyone else? Or the fact there were EIGHT people publicly stating they would sell us the fulgrims they got? Although we didnt get nearly those full 8, its obvious you guys dont get your facts correct. Add in this quote as well about multiple owners:
Daniel (I believe, was the original owner that called me and wasnt very polite). From then on I spoke with Jason multiple times, he was always great and always ready to listen to what I had to say. Today, the final call was with Daniel. He apologized for the way he reacted when he originally called.
I liked the fact that he was the one calling to close it off, and not go into hide and avoiding what had happened.
And I am a woman, the entire paypal system is in my name. I call them all the time. The entire talk of fake owners is old at this point. I am only writing you because you are not unbiased as you claim.
Goodbye."
(this is all the first message and to point out i had not contacted them in the first place i asked them to contact me!!!!)
2nd message (21:07):
"We keep getting asked if Daniel has quit. Right now here is the public response:
As of now there is no comment but there is a public one planned and in the works. We simply wish to have legal proof from a firm here in Dallas. We want no nay sayers and no doubt as to who the owners are and with legal documents that can be verified, there should be no problems at all. With that, we will make a public announcement."
Having a bit of trouble getting a pic so just made a copy from Forge Worlds facebook page wall.
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What is the word on the Palatines? An single rumor says soon, We just wish to have a rough idea. Can you guys give at least a rough update?
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Forge World Resin Forge store - if you have 'to send' orders that are outstanding then please can you give the customer service team a ring on 0044 115 900 4020 ? They'll be able to chase any outstanding orders up for you. As the Palatine Blades were not available at the Weekender we're not sure what you mean if you're asking when they'll be shipped...
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Resin Forge Store We are asking if they will be at Origins possibly or around that time We also have rang you many, many times and you guys have always been super helpful!
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Forge World The stock has already left for Origins so no, we won't have any there I'm afraid.
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Resin Forge Store But what about the ones ordered from the HH weekend? (THe fulgrims and praetors)
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Forge World Please can you give us a ring Resin Forge Store? Thanks
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Resin Forge Store When we buy another phone card we gladly will Would you enjoy an email right now?
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Resin Forge Store Note - We are not upset at all they are not here yet. We simply wonder when they will arrive to people who ordered them from the HH weekend. Origins is already a goal for us but not yet set in stone, even if just to visit.
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Resin Forge Store Holy do do batman, I NEVER said the palatines were at the HH. I asked if they would be at ORIGINS!
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Resin Forge Store *fingers crossed they are because they are SEXY!*
I'd like to attract attention to the passages marked in red. So here we have people desperate for material supposedly ordered at the HH weekender. While not saying precisely which kit the Swiss guy (compare to our previous screenshot please) is still waiting for, we could not see a Fulgrim on the photo he posted. And does anybody else find it quite interesting that this same guy was (confirmed by Resin Forge, see again the last screenshot) the FIRST one to order a Fulgrim from Resin Forge to be brought, but still seems to be waiting for something he very much wants?
And according to Resin Forge's own quote:
We could only get a limited number of a certain kit and none of the other but we did make orders for each.
So that means taken by itself either few Fulgrims and no praetors or few prateors and no Fulgrims. Of course we have the other statements by Resin Forge from the messages. I quote:
Also notice how the customers that bought the Fulgrims we got havent complained to Lex or anyone else? Or the fact there were EIGHT people publicly stating they would sell us the fulgrims they got? Although we didnt get nearly those full 8, its obvious you guys dont get your facts correct.
Which could be interpreted as an acknowledgement that they got Fulgrims. In which case it's quite bitter for the Swiss guy that although he was the first to order he still didn't get anything...
And whatever the Swiss guy so much desires, it seems pretty clear that Resin Forge itself does not have it and wants it...
The Following message was sent to me at 5.41am again it has not been edited or doctored with (though i think there confused who they were sending it too I'm not Lex !!!!)
Lex
First off, you did cut and paste just as you said. We, and even I stand personally corrected.
Second, Lex, and you can quote this, is an idiot.
Dome and I talk daily. He made an order that contained MORE then just fulgrim as well as a bits order. When we both asked FW on its own site when praetors and fulgrims that were ordered at the HH weekend would arrive, Lex took that as we were asking about palatines?
NO.
We were asking if they will be for sale at Origins!
This is why we will not be reading Dakka anymore.
Also, and this can be quoted. Lex, you call us a liar about everything. You ignore customers vouching for us, you have the ability to message Dome and yet you dont. Instead you claim more lies about us.
"
Lexicanum note: Legal proof for? From a firm in Dallas? Raises more questions than it does answer. Possibly a move to dissociate the name "Daniel Mandelbaum" from "Resin Forge". Let's just hope that this time they pick a better legal support than the allegedly fake one they used for their Cease & Desist letter to Dakkadakka forums."
And now making fun of us because we got scammed. We have no choice but to get legal council to show YOU, LEX, proof how the company is now owed by Kim and Jason. Is that what you wanted?
We wont read dakka or the reply, so it really doesn't matter.
To end with something to think of.
Lex, making the news just so you can report the "news" isn't a reporter. Its a stalker. You repost every single thing we do on a public page that anyone can see. Lex, you once said how we told non customers to not post. You start every RF thread on BOTH your FB pages with variations of this:
"+ + + NOTE + + +
Do only proceed if you are interested in updates concerning the Resin Forge - Mandelbaum reporting. All complaints about this are useless, so save your breath.
+ + + NOTE END + + +"
We also have screen shots of you arguing with your own fans who tell you flat out whats the point. You arent actually doing anything but crushing a small company for a person WHO QUIT! That is why we want LEGAL proof that can be verified.
With that, have a great life Lex, you sure do make all germans look great and not nazi like seeing as how Daniel is Jewish and you clearly noticed that. Yet Jason and I are not.
Resin Forge does not need legal council to show that Daniel Mandelbaum is not longer a director/partner with the company. They merely need to publish their business registration number. That will allow people to check for themselves.
I wonder if Daniel realizes that he refers to Kim and Jason as 'Kim and Jason' when supposedly one of them is writing the email lol.
That, or the 100 other tell-tale habits he has that make anyone who has dealt with him before instantly recognize his particular brand of...... how shall I put this................. logic.
FW reached out direct, wanting him to clear up just exactly what he was telling his customers too? That's also pretty telling overall imho.
I would hazard a guess that the last thing Mandelbonder wants is to speak directly to FW - after all, his whole tissue of half truths and obscuring of facts would be removed if he was put on the spot.
As for the emails purporting to be from 'Kim' - he did the same with me - all the PMs were from 'Jason' right up to the point where he slipped up and confirmed it was Daniel...!
But hey, maybe he's like Deadpool - not sure which personality is driving the body...
Yes, his grasp is not strong on who is who. For him everything is a conspiration orchestrated by Lex
Second, Lex, and you can quote this, is an idiot.
That qualifies as slander, nice We think we will hold him "liable" for this
Dome and I talk daily. He made an order that contained MORE then just fulgrim as well as a bits order. When we both asked FW on its own site when praetors and fulgrims that were ordered at the HH weekend would arrive, Lex took that as we were asking about palatines?
So here he mistakes Hogun for Lex,
NO.
We were asking if they will be for sale at Origins!
This is why we will not be reading Dakka anymore.
That will be a true, true loss. But it's a nice statement proving he was following the whole issue here.
Also, and this can be quoted. Lex, you call us a liar about everything. You ignore customers vouching for us, you have the ability to message Dome and yet you dont. Instead you claim more lies about us.
In fact "Dome" was messaged and put us on the banned list without deigning to answer, so much for that
And now making fun of us because we got scammed. We have no choice but to get legal council to show YOU, LEX, proof how the company is now owed by Kim and Jason. Is that what you wanted?
Fun? No, we take everything absolutely serious. We do seriously and sincerely hope that Resin Forge has a better hand in choosing its next legal support.
Lex, making the news just so you can report the "news" isn't a reporter. Its a stalker. You repost every single thing we do on a public page that anyone can see. Lex, you once said how we told non customers to not post. You start every RF thread on BOTH your FB pages with variations of this:
So if anybody can see it because it is public is stalking now to repost it? We will tell that to our politicians next, if we report on their public statements so that more people can see them, this is stalking
With that, have a great life Lex, you sure do make all germans look great and not nazi like seeing as how Daniel is Jewish and you clearly noticed that. Yet Jason and I are not.
Hehe, there we go That will be a pleasure to report on
With that, have a great life Lex, you sure do make all germans look great and not nazi like seeing as how Daniel is Jewish and you clearly noticed that. Yet Jason and I are not.
Hehe, there we go That will be a pleasure to report on
Resin Forge continues to say that Dakkadakka claims they do not have any stock (instead of the truth that the questionable point is their alleged visit to Horus Heresy weekender and that they bought pre-release stuff there).
We are now entering full blown crazy mode, which is usually seen just prior to his current project disappearing. I hope that anybody that has given them money who is still waiting on products from the weekender is watching the 45 day window. His current rants are only too familiar.
Sorry, but at what point did race enter this argument?
When they decided that calling nazis was better than presenting photos from the HH weekender.
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To be fair though it was only "proved" wrong by you posting on your own page satin that FW have said something to you
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Call FW , ask for Tris and confirm then before you try to say once again we lied. Care for the number? EDIT: You did not lie, you gave an opinion.
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We did ask permission to post this.
I believe the post disappeared because i reported it to facebook as harassing. I posted that i was unliking their page due to their strange paranoid posts, and they proceded to post more than once in reply some garbage about why doesn't 'one of my mates' who i have never heard of before join me and unlike the page too. Totally out of control social media polic happening over there.
I believe the post disappeared because i reported it to facebook as harassing. I posted that i was unliking their page due to their strange paranoid posts, and they proceded to post more than once in reply some garbage about why doesn't 'one of my mates' who i have never heard of before join me and unlike the page too. Totally out of control social media polic happening over there.
No facebook seemed to automatically remove the post after i complained. I only found this thread after trying to find out what the hell their problem was.
The "dealing with for years" comment could has easily ment them personally, not nessisarily as a company. Not a particularly good gotcha there really.
He's talking about their store. Not about themselves. Anyway the main point is the phone number. They/ he is in Dallas, Texas, US, he wouldn't need an international calling card to call the US number of Forge World. We also didn't claim thatb this showed something particular. It just adds to the pile of questionable/ hard to understand posts when connecting to previous statements.
AduroT wrote: The "dealing with for years" comment could has easily ment them personally, not nessisarily as a company. Not a particularly good gotcha there really.
Also, you'll have to explain the phone number thing. I don't understand that one.
But he's no longer with Resin Forge, so it can't be him personally.
Eh, just not buying this one. There are arguments I'd buy, like the hyping up Fulgrims and going to the HH weekender, then not posting any pictures of either. The years comment just doesn't seems any big deal, not when they also immediately make a factually correct statement of seven months of orders.
Also, as I make no international calls, you'll have to explain what all those extra numbers in front of the us vs uk phone number means. Does it prevent international charges or something?
Also, as I make no international calls, you'll have to explain what all those extra numbers in front of the us vs uk phone number means. Does it prevent international charges or something?
If you add the country code while being inside the country it does not change anything, it will be the same as if you had dialed the number without the prefix. But if you are outside the country you have to add the prefix of the country you want to call to, otherwise you will be connected to the connection that has that number inside of the country you are in. There's no point in calling from Dallas to the UK and pay international charges (for example for his 45min conversation) if you could call for the national tariff to a number in your own country.
So then what's the point of circling that number in relation to a calling card? If I understand right, FW has simply put the international prefix in front of their number for you so you don't have to look it up, or even know you needed something like that. It's still not a local number, so a cell phone (depending on your plan/company) wouldn't be willing to call it and thus require a calling card.
Lets get off the phone thing, it really is irrelevant. He could be calling he uk number not realizing, it's not a crime. This is a non issue.
Their claims FW gave them a high I've and said they love the bits business..... Ya, that you can go ahead and give the stink eye to... You aren't the only one with friends in high places Mandelbaum, some stuff you write is pretty easily verified or what it is.
Edited for off topic phone intricacies - it's irrelevant man
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Our post about talking with FW was removed for some unknown reason. V2.0 Posted with full permission from Tris Buckroyd.
Does not say anything about a visit to the Horus Heresy weekender. Also this screenshot is not identical with the one previously shown as they don't show the same part of the email exchange. And why does he call Resin Forge Store a "group" and not a "business", "company" or sth like that?
Also, as I make no international calls, you'll have to explain what all those extra numbers in front of the us vs uk phone number means. Does it prevent international charges or something?
If you add the country code while being inside the country it does not change anything, it will be the same as if you had dialed the number without the prefix. But if you are outside the country you have to add the prefix of the country you want to call to, otherwise you will be connected to the connection that has that number inside of the country you are in. There's no point in calling from Dallas to the UK and pay international charges (for example for his 45min conversation) if you could call for the national tariff to a number in your own country.
I'm afraid you're confused.
011 is the prefix for people in the US to dial internationally from the US. Not the prefix FOR the US. That's still a British phone number (after the 011 you're dialing the 44 country code). Forgeworld doesn't have a US phone number. The international prefix to dial into the US is 001.
Seriously, I'm the one who started all this and I never accused you of not ordering FW stuff or not having stock lol... stop smoke-screening and defending yourself from allegations no one made and ignoring the stuff that should be dirt simple to prove or address lol...
Hello, my name is Dome Hubeli and I'm here to put some things right.
First of all some people claimed that my Facebook profile was a fake profile. I don't understand how you come to this conclusion. The profile is full of personal information and posts. Why should it be a fake profile?
Then the things about RF. There are some rumors and I want to ut the things right:
I made two orders in the last weeks.
A friend of mine showed me the company and I chattedd with one of the owners. He mentioned that they would be at the HH weekender. I knew that I wouldn't been able t get there so I had an idea. Yes, it was me! I came to them with the question if they could buy for me a Fulgrim and some Palantine Blades at the HH weekender. My assumption was that FW would release them together at the HH weekender. As we all know that wasn't the case.
While I waited if they would release them I made a second and seperate order of some bits. These were the bits that were shown on the picture with the kitchen table. And the shippment was really fast. I ordered several things from america and this was one of the fastest I ever got... This bits were sent to me from RF and had really NOTHING to do with the Fulgrim and Palantines.
So why didn't I get my Fulgrim until now? Because they didn't get one on the HH wekender because he was sold out. So they ordered one for me, that will be sent as soon as FW sends it to them.
Now to the Palantines. RF asked because of me on the FW page about the Palantines and Fulgrim. There were some missunderstandings and it all got mixed up. It were two different questions:
1. When is the Fulgrim going to be sent, that was ordered at the HH weekender?
2. When will the Palantines released? And will there be any of them available at Origins?
The asked about Origins because I, yes it was again my idea, because I hoped to get some on this way. I really love the look of thse and I really need them! But FW has said there wont be any Palantines on Origins.
Because of this RF gives me a refund for the Palantines. But I still get my Fulgrim.
To make a long story short:
Dome (yes that is really me....) is very happy with RF. My expirience with RF is flawless and I always had a good support and nice talks. I do not understand why some people act like this and blame them as if they were the devil himself... Makes me kind of sad.
I'd be happy if some of thos people who still do not believe I'm real would send me a friend request on FB so we could talk. Or you could write me a PM here on dakka dakka.
PS. I actually feel kind of offended that someone could think my FB profile was a fake? How did you come to this conclusion?
PS of PS. Any person who just wants to threaten me or will try to attack me in an inappropriate way won't get an answer...Please keep it friendly And sorry for all the mistakes in this text. It's still not my native language
Yes, his grasp is not strong on who is who. For him everything is a conspiration orchestrated by Lex
Second, Lex, and you can quote this, is an idiot.
That qualifies as slander, nice We think we will hold him "liable" for this (...)
With that, have a great life Lex, you sure do make all germans look great and not nazi like seeing as how Daniel is Jewish and you clearly noticed that. Yet Jason and I are not.
Hehe, there we go That will be a pleasure to report on
@Gamma310 (Dome) There is no proof posted by RF that they went to the HH weekender, no pictures that they took or anything. Yes they posted pictures/links to blog from others, but none of their own.
This situation ended up in this mess due to RF no answering questions, about a member of staff that had ripped people off in the past.
RF has handled this whole situation badly, trying to get a person fired from their job, called people/fb fan page Nazi-controlled evil corporation. When asked questions from other, calling them trolls and blocking them.
RF could have cleared all this up by being open and honest and answering the questions asked of them.
By question to RF is, show us the proof that they went to the HH weekender, tickets/flight tickets/hotel books etc etc. Someone even said they would buy them a drink at the hotel bar.
1) Thank you for clearing up what you received from RF, it seems that there was confusion (but to be honest, RF made this confusion worse)
2) What assurances have you been given as to why, given that you appeared to be the first person to request a Fulgrim from Daniel, are you now not in possesion of said model? Given that several persons were prepared to sell him theirs - why as customer Nr1 were you not given one as RF have claimed several Fulgrims have been shipped following the HH Weekender?
3) Do you know the history of the person(s) claiming to run RF? Are you, as a member of a community which is as tight knit as the gaming community is, comfortable with ordering from a perosn who has in the past, ran off with other gamers money, threatened serveral gamers with legal action and even tried to have a fellow gamer fired from their job simply for trying to get their money back?
4) Why would you order through a third party a full kit, given that the kit will be on general release shortly, and your order to the third party will only be from that general release? What is the benefit?
5) Do you believe that RF attended the HH Weekender? If so, why?
Hogun wrote: @Gamma310 (Dome) There is no proof posted by RF that they went to the HH weekender, no pictures that they took or anything. Yes they posted pictures/links to blog from others, but none of their own.
This situation ended up in this mess due to RF no answering questions, about a member of staff that had ripped people off in the past.
The things I talk about are some other problem. People who call me a fake and who talked about the orders. There were some rumors about orders and so on.. And I want to put things right as I said.
And IMO this whole thing escalated way to much...
RF has handled this whole situation badly, trying to get a person fired from their job, called people/fb fan page Nazi-controlled evil corporation. When asked questions from other, calling them trolls and blocking them.
RF could have cleared all this up by being open and honest and answering the questions asked of them.
By question to RF is, show us the proof that they went to the HH weekender, tickets/flight tickets/hotel books etc etc. Someone even said they would buy them a drink at the hotel bar.
Sorry added more Dome.
I agree that the communication hasn't worked very well. But as far as I can see both sides made mistakes and it's time to start all over again.
I will talk with RF and let's see if can play the link between both parties. IMO it's time to normalize the way both sides communicate.
No problem with the adding. Just a bit confused with all the questions and not quite sure if I got all.
And here the rest:
1) Thank you for clearing up what you received from RF, it seems that there was confusion (but to be honest, RF made this confusion worse)
Both sides made it worse.. The whole affair has escalated.....
2) What assurances have you been given as to why, given that you appeared to be the first person to request a Fulgrim from Daniel, are you now not in possesion of said model? Given that several persons were prepared to sell him theirs - why as customer Nr1 were you not given one?
As far as I know there was someone who talked the people out of selling their Flugrim to RF.
3) Do you know the history of the person(s) claiming to run RF? Are you, as a member of a community which is as tight knit as the gaming community is, comfortable with ordering from a perosn who has in the past, ran off with other gamers money, threatened serveral gamers with legal action and even tried to have a fellow gamer fired from their job simply for trying to get their money back?
As you may have seen I'm from Switzerland so I can't say to much about these accusations. I don't know who owns the company, but I never had any problem so far... And before all these accusations are proved I won't punish them just on rumors... And to be honest IMO everyone should get a second chance.. I'm a happy customer and why should I change then?
4) Why would you order through a third party a full kit, given that the kit will be on general release shortly, and your order to the third party will only be from that general release? What is the benefit?
I'm waiting since several months for the Palantines. I saw an opportunity to get them earlier and I took it... Is there any fault with that? I don't think so My patience is overworn and I want them asap. Total FW Fanboy
5) Do you believe that RF attended the HH Weekender? If so, why?
Counterquestion: Why shouldn't I?
They told me they would attend the HH weekender and I think they did.
As far as I know there was someone who talked the people out of selling their Flugrim to RF.
That would be assuming that people other than Resin Forge actually knew these people. So you think that somebody (probably he will say it was the Nazi Lexicanum?) managed to track down 8 people (number given by RF itself), people who were already supporting RF as the whole questions were already in the open - and convince/ threaten ALL of them not to hand over a single miniature to Resin Forge? Does that really sound plausible?
EDIT: and no, the names and identities of these people were not all publicly accessible, we kept a very close look on that. And the ones that were accessible, we did not try to contact either.
"Counterquestion: Why shouldn't I?
They told me they would attend the HH weekender and I think they did. "
No evidence of going, no 'RF' Stamped' photos of what was a major FW / BL event (given that they're fans, dont you find this a little odd / off?), can't even produce ticket stubbs if they dont want to show photos for any reason - all adds up to be a complete tissue of lies and more lies.
I'm glad you've not been ripped off - you're one of the lucky ones. but do yourself a favour and read the testimonies from those who have been systematically scammed and harrassed by one of the 'owners' and you'll see why there's a mob with pitchforks who have beef with Daniel.
Art Steventon wrote:Dome:
"As far as I know there was someone who talked the people out of selling their Flugrim to RF."
Care to elaborate? This is the first time this has been mentioned.
Havn't asked to much about that. But I can do that if you wan't.
Inquisitor S. wrote:
As far as I know there was someone who talked the people out of selling their Flugrim to RF.
That would be assuming that people other than Resin Forge actually knew these people. So you think that somebody (probably he will say it was the Nazi Lexicanum?) managed to track down 8 people (number given by RF itself), people who were already supporting RF as the whole questions were already in the open - and convince/ threaten ALL of them not to hand over a single miniature to Resin Forge? Does that really sound plausible?
I would prefer it if we could keep our communication accusation free Thank you.
I could belive that. Imagine your at the weekender and ready to sell your Fulgrim to a "stranger" who claims to give them to customers. Few minutes later someone makes a rumor about a bad company who cheats their customers. Would you sell it? Don't think so.. About the number of 8, could you present a source for that. I personally don't like rumors. Thank you
EDIT: and no, the names and identities of these people were not all publicly accessible, we kept a very close look on that. And the ones that were accessible, we did not try to contact either.
I don't get that sentence. Or better what it relates to. I don't get the cohesion.. Still not my native language.
Dome - it just seems.... odd that a piece of information such as not being able to get the Fulgrim's due to others being warned off hasnt been mentioned previously - surely you see this?
It's a pretty vital snippet that would have solved quite a few murmurs against RF (and would have been in their benefit).
He said only pictures stamped RF were taken by Resin Forge, but never posted any.
He says he got Fulgrims and shipped them, but didn't ship them to the first person that ordered them.
He claims that people talked everybody out of selling him Fulgrims, even though after the event he still mentioned buying them.
This is all the classic pattern of excuses that start to contradict themselves with that person.
I was one of the lucky ones that got what he ordered from his operation as Three Stage Studios, so we know that during the build up people do get full or partial orders. But the communications we are seeing now are a mirror image of the "collapse" stage of his enterprises.
Art Steventon wrote:Dome - it just seems.... odd that a piece of information such as not being able to get the Fulgrim's due to others being warned off hasnt been mentioned previously - surely you see this?
It's a pretty vital snippet that would have solved quite a few murmurs against RF (and would have been in their benefit).
Yes it would have helped them. As far as I know they have tried to get people selling their Fulgrim. The contacted them in advance by FB and made a meeting point. But only one of those who saif he would sell his Fulgrim showed up there
d-usa wrote:He said only pictures stamped RF were taken by Resin Forge, but never posted any.
He says he got Fulgrims and shipped them, but didn't ship them to the first person that ordered them.
He claims that people talked everybody out of selling him Fulgrims, even though after the event he still mentioned buying them.
This is all the classic pattern of excuses that start to contradict themselves with that person.
I was one of the lucky ones that got what he ordered from his operation as Three Stage Studios, so we know that during the build up people do get full or partial orders. But the communications we are seeing now are a mirror image of the "collapse" stage of his enterprises.
Actually I told them to wait with shipping one to me I wanted to wait on the Palantines at Origin.. so this isn't that misterious
About the pictures, as far as I know they havn't posted their pictures with them on it because they don't want that somebody knows waht they look like( I can understand that..)...
Gamma310 wrote: About the pictures, as far as I know they havn't posted their pictures with them on it because they don't want that somebody knows waht they look like( I can understand that..)...
I think you misunderstand, they've not posted a single picture that hasn't been taken from another site. There are no photos of the event unique to RF, which suggests they weren't there to take any.
As for them not wanting to personally be in any of their photos, well I would say 'what have they got to hide?', but as anyone following Daniel Mandelbaum's antics over the last several years, he's got a lot of reason to hide.
About the pictures, as far as I know they havn't posted their pictures with them on it because they don't want that somebody knows waht they look like( I can understand that..)...
Sorry got to laugh at this. Where has RF said that? But at the end of the day, they could post other pictures, not showing themselves and still show proof that they went to the HH weekender. RF could post pictures of HHtickets, flight tickets, hotel booking etc. There are lots of pictures they could post, that don't include them standing in said pictures.
That is a cop out answer.
So they couldn't take photos like the ones shown, where there is no chance of the 'owners' being in the photos?
They couldn't take photos of minis? Or of posters?
Wow, how did Loken et al, cope,doing that whilst not being in the photos...
Sorry for the sarcasm, but it's such a flimsy excuse it should be used as cellophane.
Ok so sorry i've been at work and sans any Laptop (i decided to do some conversion work rather than sit at a keyboard since RF at least opened a dialogue )
so at 7,13 am
We did not confuse you with Lex. We have no way to defend ourselves to him or his sites. He makes news up, then reports it as facts. When confronted he says "alleged".
We knew based on your other cut and paste for us it could be posted so he could see it.
I suggest he contacts Dome before he makes claims he knows nothing of. Dome himself even thinks, actually, im sure Dome will speak for himself if Lex actually contacts him instead of making up his own opinion on stuff once again taken out of context.
What was asked was, WILL PALATINES BE AT ORIGINS. NOT IF THEY HAD SHIPPED.
Thank you for the relay to him. We wont both to see how he twists it like he does everything. Even his own fans are getting tired of it. (Again, many screen shots to prove it.)
Tell Majortom he was wrong, once again. And yes, FW will be posting in the next week or 2. Contact Tris to verify what I have said.
and then at 16.13
http://imgur.com/a/exHPs
Thank you for being unbaised like you said you would. There were doubts but you lived up to your word even if you don't trust us. That shows character others seem to lack.
Please share this on dakka. And once again, people can call Tris at FW to verify it. He will most likely get annoyed after more then 1-2 calls so maybe pick someone on dakka that can call.
again unedited (sorry if some are a bit stable door after the horse had bolted but as i say i was away from the boards for the day and some of what was sent to me seems to have broken from other sources )
@Gamma310, some key reasons why there is such a lot of distrust of Resin Forge and Daniel Mandelbaum are;
Mandelbaum has run a series of internet only bits/conversion businesses like Resin Forge, each of which has failed after roughly six to nine months leaving customers out of pocket.
Resin Forge (or Mandelbaum?) has not given straight answers to easy questions such as, "What is your business registration number?", or "Where are your pictures from Horus Heresy Weekend that you say you went to?".
If you want to open a constructive dialogue between Resin Forge and the people who do not trust it, the best thing would be to convince them to give answers to these questions.
No-one believes that Resin Forge went to HH Weekend, took a load of pictures, and made sure to include an identifiable member of staff very large in the middle of each one, so that they cannot publish them even with cropping.
Now to the Palantines. RF asked because of me on the FW page about the Palantines and Fulgrim. There were some missunderstandings and it all got mixed up. It were two different questions:
1. When is the Fulgrim going to be sent, that was ordered at the HH weekender?
2. When will the Palantines released? And will there be any of them available at Origins?
The asked about Origins because I, yes it was again my idea, because I hoped to get some on this way. I really love the look of thse and I really need them! But FW has said there wont be any Palantines on Origins.
Because of this RF gives me a refund for the Palantines. But I still get my Fulgrim.
Now this is from a follow up post, at 18.13
Actually I told them to wait with shipping one to me I wanted to wait on the Palantines at Origin.. so this isn't that mysterious
There may have been some confusion here. But for someone who wants Fulgrim asap. I find it hard to believe that you will wait for the Palantines at Origin when you have quoted from FW that there wont be any at Origin in your first comment on this forum. People can pop over to the Forge Worlds facebook page and see that they have said there will NOT be any of the models at Origin.
Plus with the refund RF has given you, you'll have to repay.
So someone waiting for Fulgrim who wants it asap and the Palantines will be waiting for a long time. As there will be none at Origin.
And yes, FW will be posting in the next week or 2. Contact Tris to verify what I have sa
Forgeworld the company will make a public statement saying that RF went to the HH weekender? Or that Forgeworld is sure RF is legit and Mandelbaum-free? Well, that would be a novum, already looking forward to that. Can you ask where that statement will be published?
insaniak wrote: Maybe I'm just being dense, but what is the statement from Forgeworld supposed to achieve...?
All I can see it proving is that they communicated on Facebook concerning the availability of certain stock. It does not appear to indicate a long standing professional relationship, nor did it show that they would vouch for Resin Forge's bona fides.
Resin Forge has presented this situation as if Dakka (which they treat as some kind of singular unified group, not a forum of peers) is ongoingly accusing them of either recasting or having no stock, which is of course not the case, and is of course very distracting and misleading from the real issues he/they refuse to answer.
I think in the earliest pages of this thread, someone made allusions to recasting, which in general we all agreed was very thin at best and largely irrelevant to the real issue, trust and honesty.
Just another smokescreen. Just another spin to pretend as if Dakka is one entity made up of one unified voice, attacking this poor innocent while completely ignoring a giant pile of objective evidence... at least until the accidentally admit it's true then delete the post lol.
@the swedish gentleman.
If you say we shouldn't question them over the HH weekender and then say you are satisfied based on literally zero evidence to even hint otherwise, LITERALLY ZERO, then I am afraid I have very little interest in anything you have to say. I mean come on.
If you actually bothered to review the track history here, you would see you were not the first white knight duped into defending them based on no evidence either, or sent into this very forum to distract and attempt to derail the discussion.
As far as I can tell the FW statement is meant to serve along with his "friends in high places" comment. As in "Look here FW are backing me up don't you feel silly now dakka/lex ninjas! You better stop bullying poor little old me or FW will make a statement to defend a small resale business that's barely been around for a year"
Gamma310 wrote: I agree that the communication hasn't worked very well. But as far as I can see both sides made mistakes and it's time to start all over again.
You're making the same mistake that RF are making, in assuming that there are 'sides'.
There aren't. This whole thing started because several people felt that potential customers of Resin Forge should know who they were dealing with, based on that person's previous business history. This isn't some organised mob witch-hunt. Any allegations people have made, here or elsewhere, have been based on their own observations and/or supposition.
The really ridiculous part is that Resin Forge could have stamped on the whole thing right at the start, before jumping to all the Cease & Desist nonsense that just proved the original claims and got everyone even more worked up over the whole thing, by simply releasing a statement that included their business registration details and saying that yes, Daniel Mandelbaum was one of the owners of the company, that they are aware of his past history, and that anyone who felt they were owed something should contact them and they would do what they could to make it right.
Instead, they denied Daniel was anything to do with the company right up until the point where they lodged a police report over supposed harassment in Daniel's name, tried to scare people off with legal threats, and to this date have still not shown any evidence that they are an actual, registered business.
The recasting issue was never the core of the problem. Nor were the claims that they didn't have stock (I'm not even sure where they got that complaint from). At the end of the day, even whether or not Kim and Jason actually exist is really not that important. All of this silliness stemmed from Resin Forge's complete refusal to behave in a professional manner, and their continued attempts to confuse the issues.
The simple, basic problem at work here is that if you act like you have something to hide, people will think that you have something to hide.
rigeld2 wrote:So you told them to wait on the Pals but they gave you a refund for the Pals?
So you're getting them free?
No, if you read my post very carefully you can see that I only ordered them by RF because I had the hope they would be released at the weekender or Origins. Now I know they wont be released then so I order them by mself when they will be available.
Hogun wrote:@Dome this is from your first post at 16.15pm
Now to the Palantines. RF asked because of me on the FW page about the Palantines and Fulgrim. There were some missunderstandings and it all got mixed up. It were two different questions:
1. When is the Fulgrim going to be sent, that was ordered at the HH weekender?
2. When will the Palantines released? And will there be any of them available at Origins?
The asked about Origins because I, yes it was again my idea, because I hoped to get some on this way. I really love the look of thse and I really need them! But FW has said there wont be any Palantines on Origins.
Because of this RF gives me a refund for the Palantines. But I still get my Fulgrim.
Now this is from a follow up post, at 18.13
Actually I told them to wait with shipping one to me I wanted to wait on the Palantines at Origin.. so this isn't that mysterious
There may have been some confusion here. But for someone who wants Fulgrim asap. I find it hard to believe that you will wait for the Palantines at Origin when you have quoted from FW that there wont be any at Origin in your first comment on this forum. People can pop over to the Forge Worlds facebook page and see that they have said there will NOT be any of the models at Origin.
Plus with the refund RF has given you, you'll have to repay.
So someone waiting for Fulgrim who wants it asap and the Palantines will be waiting for a long time. As there will be none at Origin.
I want my Fulgrim & the Palantines asap. But as you may know shipping from USA to Switzerland isn't for free so it was my intention to get them together. And so i decided to wait 2-3 weeks longer to get (hopefully) both together. Didn't work both it was worth a try
MajorTom11 wrote:
@the swedish gentleman.
If you say we shouldn't question them over the HH weekender and then say you are satisfied based on literally zero evidence to even hint otherwise, LITERALLY ZERO, then I am afraid I have very little interest in anything you have to say. I mean come on.
If you actually bothered to review the track history here, you would see you were not the first white knight duped into defending them based on no evidence either, or sent into this very forum to distract and attempt to derail the discussion.
Thanks for reading my post.. If you really had read my post you would know that I'm from Switzerland not Sweden.. Kind of ignorant though..
I havn't been sent here as you say. I have facebook and could see the conflict and came to this thread by myself. Here I saw some nice little 'facts' about made that were not true. I cam here to get the things about me right.
I never said you shouldn't question them about the weekender. And IMO it's kind of rude to implement things that arn't right at all... You accuse me of saying things I havn't, you didn't even read my post carefully and in the end you say wahtever I say doesn't matter...
If you live in Switzerland Gamma, then if you ordered through an American storefront, you'd get totally mashed with the foreign exchange, I mean changing currency 3 times instead of just going through Forgeworld yourself....I also would ask why you ordered from the USA when you can get it sent to you faster via a UK company?
The Swiss deal via Euros right? And royal mail can mail straight to you faster then USP?
Small things like that make you seem.....a little implausible.
Doctadeth wrote: If you live in Switzerland Gamma, then if you ordered through an American storefront, you'd get totally mashed with the foreign exchange, I mean changing currency 3 times instead of just going through Forgeworld yourself....I also would ask why you ordered from the USA when you can get it sent to you faster via a UK company?
The Swiss deal via Euros right? And royal mail can mail straight to you faster then USP?
Small things like that make you seem.....a little implausible.
Switzerland is not part of the Eurpean Union, so it doesn't change a thing if I order from UK, USA or anywhere else on this planet. And the shipping from UK or USA doesn't make a big difference in time or costs. Most of the mail hangs a the custom duty for about a week here in Switzerland..
We deal in Swiss francs and because we are not part of the European Union shippment from anywhere in the world is more or less the same... Sometimes if I order something from China it is faster then from the UK. So you may understand my situation better..
And BTW I pay everything by paypal.. so currencies aren't a biig problem...
Import/Export to the EU can be pretty expensive, though I should think the postage from UK to Switzerland would be quicker than from US.
If I understand it correctly, Gamma310 has received a refund from Resin Forge and will order direct from Forge World.
You are right. I got my refund because there won't be Palantines at Origin :( So I'll have to take care by myself to get one.. Why can't FW release them..
Except for the shipping though.. It's kind of crappy here and sometimes it takes ages for a letter to get from Germany to Switzerland while a big package from China to me takes about two weeks.. Customs duty sucks...
Dome: So.. you ordered Fulgrim and Palatines from HH, but they couldn't get any of the Palatines, so you said, "Nevermind then, get me another one and the Palatines at Origins." So the Fulgrims they did have all went out to other people.
Then, you found out that they weren't going to have Palatines at Origins either, so you got a full refund for the Fulgrim and the Palatine models and will now be ordering direct from FW when they are released?
Is that a decent summary? It seems reasonable enough. I think the people saying you're not a real person are being unfair, honestly. You seem like a nice enough chap. (And yes, Sweden is not Switzerland, I have a friend from Sweden, they get annoyed at the mix-up too! )
However, the Nazi/Jewish comment has now blacklisted this company in my opinion regardless of whether anything else in this thread is actually true or not. That was so far out of line that it left the solar system, and is almost certainly slanderous.
Whoever wrote that should be ashamed of themselves, especially acting as the voice of a company. People have been fired for gross misconduct for a lot less.
I am confused:
1.) Some say, old Resin Forge has nothing to do with new Resin Forge, they just imported some old website material for some unknown reason.
2.) Forge World allegedly claims that new Resin Forge is customer for years?
3.) A GW division explicitely allows bitz part sales in USA?
4.) The official signature is misspelling Forge World as Forgeworld? (Maybe someone wants to contact FW)
Also I don't understand why a customer from Switzerland wants to pay twice shipping over the Atlantic, twice customs (UK to USA, USA to Switzerland) plus a seller fee just to get a FW product after release.
Imagine your at the weekender and ready to sell your Fulgrim to a "stranger" who claims to give them to customers. Few minutes later someone makes a rumor about a bad company who cheats their customers. Would you sell it? Don't think so.. About the number of 8, could you present a source for that. I personally don't like rumors. Thank you
Here your source:
PS Your never online and when we search for your user name it wouldn't come up. Also notice how the customers that bought the Fulgrims we got havent complained to Lex or anyone else? Or the fact there were EIGHT people publicly stating they would sell us the fulgrims they got? Although we didnt get nearly those full 8, its obvious you guys dont get your facts correct. Add in this quote as well about multiple owners:
Automatically Appended Next Post: I took the liberty to compile a small, incomplete list showing that we do no doubt "stock" or that RF buys from Forge World, as RF keeps on insisting we do. Take this as a potentially useful quick reference:
As Resin Forge keeps on claiming that Lexicanum and Dakkadakka doubt that they have a) Forge World products b) real customers c) buy Forge World products: THAT IS FALSE.
The point in doubt was and is if Resin Forge did dispatch a team of "co-owners" to the Horus Heresy Weekender in 2013 and if they brought back event-exclusive products as they claim.
"Resin Forge has presented this situation as if Dakka (which they treat as some kind of singular unified group, not a forum of peers) is ongoingly accusing them of either recasting or having no stock, which is of course not the case, and is of course very distracting and misleading from the real issues he/they refuse to answer."
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1080/526190.page#5686482
"The recasting issue was never the core of the problem. Nor were the claims that they didn't have stock (I'm not even sure where they got that complaint from). At the end of the day, even whether or not Kim and Jason actually exist is really not that important. All of this silliness stemmed from Resin Forge's complete refusal to behave in a professional manner, and their continued attempts to confuse the issues."
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1080/526190.page#5686538
"Seriously, I'm the one who started all this and I never accused you of not ordering FW stuff or not having stock lol... stop smoke-screening and defending yourself from allegations no one made and ignoring the stuff that should be dirt simple to prove or address lol.."
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1050/526190.page#5685192
"As usual an answer that addresses a question that nobody asked (if they had an inventory for the shop products) and circles around the actual question asked (where are the pictures of the HH weekender products)."
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/930/526190.page#5667646
Kroothawk wrote: 3.) A GW division explicitely allows bitz part sales in USA?
No, a GW division just has no issue with a customer paying full retail onselling what they buy in bits.
Because there's not really anything that they could do about it anyway. Unless you're buying on a trade account (which Forge World doesn't do) you're not bound by any sort of limitation on how you sell the product once it's yours.
Whatever it is supposed to achieve they banned me from their facebook page for simply asking that very question in response to the statement.
That statement only makes sense and achieves something if the reader of said statement still believes that the point in question is that Dakkadakka doubts the existence of any stock or that RF buys products from FW. Which of course is not the point anybody is really interested in.
@Gamma, I apologize for mixing up your country of origin, believe it or not no offense was intended, just a simple mistake.
As for reading your posts, I do understand your intend and reasoning. I am simply saying two things - first, you fail to realize the issue is not so much what Resin Forge has done as Resin Forge, but what it's owner has done repeatedly in the past. You can come on here and say you got good service, all well and good. So did the other people who bought from his previous businesses, right up until they didn't. And once they didn't, it was pretty bad.
Whether you are a 'real person', what country you are from, or whether or not you had good service is not going to change the fact that based on factual, objective history as corroborated both by parties who experienced it directly (such as myself) and by Mandelbaum himself in many messed up posts and messages, this guy is capable of both great work and service, and terrible, horrible harrasment and taking of money that isn't his, operating under aliases and lying to a degree I have never seen before in real life or in fiction. Telling the truth once does not outweigh 100 lies. Servicing 100 people well but ripping off 20 is not a balanced equation either.
Finally, your own statement that you believe he went to the HH weekender, with no evidence whatsoever by your own admission makes me significantly lower any value I am going to associate to your statements, because to me, this issue is all about honesty and transparency, and by that statement you are telling me you put little value on the latter, despite coming here in the name of it in regards to your own details.
Gamma, I am very nervous that you, like so many others who put themselves in the exact same position as you are, will find themselves screwed over in the end. There are many, many examples of supporters Mandelbaum convinced with lies or temporary good service, only to mess them over in the end and embarass and infuriate them. There is no limit to who he will target or play games with, right up to his own team mates and partners. Be cautious. If Kim and Jason actually exist, which I still personally doubt, believe it or not, the warning to the community applies to you too then. You are in financial danger from Daniel Mandelbaum whether you choose to believe it or not.
All you have to do is examine the history of his behaviour in the past 4 years. It is there for anyone to see. If you can read all that (a daunting task I fully admit) and still think it is not cause for deep concern at the very least, then good luck to you, you'll need it!
If you do not look at the full history though, I fully realize and acknowledge how this thread and the statements in it will look to a customer Resin Forge has not messed around, the warnings we are issuing may be in complete opposition to your actual experience to this point. But the whole point is, if there one thing you can count on with Daniel Mandelbaum, it's that you can't count on Daniel Mandelbaum for very long.
I hope that clarifies things, though I realize it will not likely be sufficient to sway your opinion, I would still like to try. And again, my apologies on my unintentional error with your nationality.
Gamma made 2 orders: Didn't get a Fulgrim and got a refund for the the other order:
Gamma310 wrote:To make a long story short:
Dome (yes that is really me....) is very happy with RF. My expirience with RF is flawless and I always had a good support and nice talks. I do not understand why some people act like this and blame them as if they were the devil himself... Makes me kind of sad.
Some customers are easy to make happy it seems
I am still worried, why an official statement by Forge World is made with a misspelling of the company's name in the official sig.
It's a fairly long thread, so I've skipped through, not reading every post. I do wonder how this guy stays out of jail, though if even half of what I read here is true.
His alleged victims are normally owed relatively small amounts of money, which the police are not excited about. Typically two hundred, three hundred dollars. It's a painful loss to an individual, but not something the FBI will start an interstate manhunt on account of.
Howard A Treesong wrote: Was the HH event at Nottingham? There's a shop that does forge world there.
I went in there on the same day on the off chance they might have had some of the new FW stuff like the Fulgrim, they didnt have any and have still not had any in yet.
LadyCassandra wrote:Dome: So.. you ordered Fulgrim and Palatines from HH, but they couldn't get any of the Palatines, so you said, "Nevermind then, get me another one and the Palatines at Origins." So the Fulgrims they did have all went out to other people.
Then, you found out that they weren't going to have Palatines at Origins either, so you got a full refund for the Fulgrim and the Palatine models and will now be ordering direct from FW when they are released?
Is that a decent summary? It seems reasonable enough. I think the people saying you're not a real person are being unfair, honestly. You seem like a nice enough chap. (And yes, Sweden is not Switzerland, I have a friend from Sweden, they get annoyed at the mix-up too! )
The summary seems legit to me Except that I'm still getting my Fulgrim of them
I hate when people mix up Sweden and Switzerland.. We havn't that lot in commen..
MajorTom11 wrote:@Gamma, I apologize for mixing up your country of origin, believe it or not no offense was intended, just a simple mistake.
I don't like it when I point out sometihng and people fail to see it ... So okay for me now...
As for reading your posts, I do understand your intend and reasoning. I am simply saying two things - first, you fail to realize the issue is not so much what Resin Forge has done as Resin Forge, but what it's owner has done repeatedly in the past. You can come on here and say you got good service, all well and good. So did the other people who bought from his previous businesses, right up until they didn't. And once they didn't, it was pretty bad.
I understand what you want me to say and I just tell you what I think. So far this is just us two pointing out our opinions...
Finally, your own statement that you believe he went to the HH weekender, with no evidence whatsoever by your own admission makes me significantly lower any value I am going to associate to your statements, because to me, this issue is all about honesty and transparency, and by that statement you are telling me you put little value on the latter, despite coming here in the name of it in regards to your own details.
To me the owners were honest and transparent. IMO it is the false strategy to put pressure on RF. This way you only get a company that is pissed of of you and you're pissed of of them...
Gamma, I am very nervous that you, like so many others who put themselves in the exact same position as you are, will find themselves screwed over in the end. There are many, many examples of supporters Mandelbaum convinced with lies or temporary good service, only to mess them over in the end and embarass and infuriate them. There is no limit to who he will target or play games with, right up to his own team mates and partners. Be cautious. If Kim and Jason actually exist, which I still personally doubt, believe it or not, the warning to the community applies to you too then. You are in financial danger from Daniel Mandelbaum whether you choose to believe it or not.
I talked to Jason&Kim not Daniel so they exist. As far as I know Daniels out, so no longer problem with that. You point out that I could be wrong.. Yes I could... but so could you... I still believe them and I believe in their company.. My opinion...
All you have to do is examine the history of his behaviour in the past 4 years. It is there for anyone to see. If you can read all that (a daunting task I fully admit) and still think it is not cause for deep concern at the very least, then good luck to you, you'll need it!
I talked to the owners and got their side of the case Mandelbaum. Now I have two very different stories to look at. Why should I favour one over the other? Writing things inot a forum is as easy as writing something on facebook.... The person I talked with was very nice and I like to talk to him so it is clear were my sympathy is at the moment, isn't it?
If you do not look at the full history though, I fully realize and acknowledge how this thread and the statements in it will look to a customer Resin Forge has not messed around, the warnings we are issuing may be in complete opposition to your actual experience to this point. But the whole point is, if there one thing you can count on with Daniel Mandelbaum, it's that you can't count on Daniel Mandelbaum for very long.
As I have pointed out a few centimeters above.. Daniel is out, so I think this shouldn't be a probleme if it was one. Sometimes I get the idea that some things that have been said got twisted the wrong way...
I hope that clarifies things, though I realize it will not likely be sufficient to sway your opinion, I would still like to try. And again, my apologies on my unintentional error with your nationality.
Apology accepted and you may try, but imagine my situation. There is a 'case' Mandelbaum written on a forum in the internet. Anybody can write anything in here.. But to say somebody is guilty you have to present evidence. And isn't it written in america that in doubt the accused person should be called not guilty? Actually I'm not quite sure if I translated that the right way.. In a hurry here..
Dome (yes that is really me....) is very happy with RF. My expirience with RF is flawless and I always had a good support and nice talks. I do not understand why some people act like this and blame them as if they were the devil himself... Makes me kind of sad.
Some customers are easy to make happy it seems
In any case "Dome" is not of any further interest if he didn't order a Fulgrim or other event-exclusive product. All other of his experiences with RF are irrelevant. Remember that we do not doubt or are interested in RF's regular stock, it's about the HH weekender - if they did go there or not.
I am still worried, why an official statement by Forge World is made with a misspelling of the company's name in the official sig.
Why not simply write the guy an e-mail and check it out.
Dome (yes that is really me....) is very happy with RF. My expirience with RF is flawless and I always had a good support and nice talks. I do not understand why some people act like this and blame them as if they were the devil himself... Makes me kind of sad.
Some customers are easy to make happy it seems
In any case "Dome" is not of any further interest if he didn't order a Fulgrim or other event-exclusive product. All other of his experiences with RF are irrelevant. Remember that we do not doubt or are interested in RF's regular stock, it's about the HH weekender - if they did go there or not.
I ordered a Fulgrim. Please read my posts carefully before you quote me. RF has ordered a Fulgrim for me from FW and they asked when the at the HH weekender ordered things are going to be delivered. That is what happened and nothing else.
I ordered a Fulgrim. Please read my posts carefully before you quote me. RF has ordered a Fulgrim for me from FW and they asked when the at the HH weekender ordered things are going to be delivered. That is what happened and nothing else.
You forgot to mention in this last post that while you ordered Fulgrim from RF you cancelled out on the option of having one directly brought from the HH weekender (because you wanted to have sth else at the same time). As there is no way of proving that RF placed any orders at the HH weekender if there is not even proof they went in the first place yo do not qualify as proof that they went to the HH weekender because your order obviously is not in the same category of Fulgrims allegedly brought back and shipped without any pics taken by RF. That's nothing personal, Dome, it's just that if you ever receive Fulgrim at a later date this does not prove RF went to the weekender. Therefore not relevant for us anymore
I ordered a Fulgrim. Please read my posts carefully before you quote me. RF has ordered a Fulgrim for me from FW and they asked when the at the HH weekender ordered things are going to be delivered. That is what happened and nothing else.
You forgot to mention in this last post that while you ordered Fulgrim from RF you cancelled out on the option of having one directly brought from the HH weekender because you wanted to have sth else at the same time). As there is no way of proving that RF placed any orders at the HH weekender if there is not even proof they went in the first place yo do not qualify as proof that they went to the HH weekender because your order obviously is not in the same category of Fulgrims allegedly brought back and shipped without any pics taken by RF. That's nothing personal, Dome, it's just that if you ever receive Fulgrim at a later date this does not prove RF went to the weekender. Therefore not relevant for us anymore
My Fulgrim was ordered at the HH weekender but FW hasn't shipped the orders that were made then.The Palantines will be ordered by myself when the are released. So my whole order is refunded! But I will order my Fulgrim again from RF as soon as he's at their buisness. I hope this time I wrote it so that it is understandable
My Fulgrim was ordered at the HH weekender but FW hasn't shipped the orders that were made then.The Palantines will be ordered by myself when the are released. So my whole order is refunded! But I will order my Fulgrim again from RF as soon as he's at their buisness. I hope this time I wrote it so that it is understandable
That is your point of view.
My point of view is:
RFclaims that your Fulgrim was ordered at the HH weekender as they claim they were there. That is not a fact without seeing the order slip etc. If your Fulgrim arrives before the general FW release, we can resume this discussion, what you think?
There's a nice and easy way for RF to prove they've ordered the stuff they claim they did at the Horus Heresy weekend, that doesn't involve anything more than one photograph:
SHOW THE RECEIPTS.
IF they purchased goods, there will be a receipt, showing the purchase. Given that both electronic and cash payments were provided with receipts (which is also by the way, a condition of the UK Sales of Goods Act) this would be incredibly easy to do will it not?
If they paid via electronic means, they can black out the CC number, black out the order number as well (hey, who wouldn't?) just in case - but the item codes and date will be there wont they?
No need to 'identigy' anyone, no need for anything pesky like boarding cards, hotel reservation slips, hell, even loose change......
Just one. simple. receipt.
Over to you Daniel / Jason / Kim - what have you to lose?
Customer referring to the email written allegedly by FW and posted by RF on the FB page of Resin Forge:
James Campbell
What exactly are you attempting to prove or defend here?
Resin Forge Store
Its pretty obvious based on the email that can be verified. (no disrespect ment)
James Campbell
That RF has ordered from FW? So? That still does not answer the question (no disrespect meant but RF certainly seems to be "answering" a lot of questions that havn't seem to be asked and not answer those that are asked). Is there a frame of reference this letter can be put in so that it makes some sort of sense?
Resin Forge Store
2 days ago we asked a question on FW. Lex took what we said out of context. FW asked us to call them. We said we needed to get a new phone card to call international. Lex said that was a lie and that no card is needed. Yesterday we called FW. We called times. Each time Tris, from the email, wrote an email wecould post posted. We posted both of them since people claimed each one was fake and ment nothing. The email simply shows, we are a real company that has had a LONG standing relationship with FW. And will continue to do so.
James Campbell
Ok. Who is this "Lex" and why should anyone care? Simply posting a screenshot of an email stating RF are customers of FW with zero context does not show anything "obvious". It doesn't show anything other than "Resin Forge Store are customers for Forge World". I can (sort of) see what you're TRYING to show here, but it's rather disjointed without any context.
James Campbell
For the record, I was led here looking for a decent supplier of bits. Being confronted with things like this is offputting for any potential new customer.
Resin Forge Store
It shows that our staff has been customers for years, even before Resin Forge started. It shows we call on orders, check on customer updates, and frankly, it shows we run a legit company. Otherwise FW would not write an email for us, would they?
Resin Forge Store
and if us proving we are real, off puts you, but the countless customers posting here about order after order they each make, then well, I dont know what to tell you. We have been honest with you and your questions so its up to you to try us out or not.
Especially:
and frankly, it shows we run a legit company. Otherwise FW would not write an email for us, would they?
How so? Everybody who orders from Forge World can have an email that they ordered stuff from Forge World, and then? The FW guy does not even refer to them as a business or company, he calls them "group". Honestly, how would he even know which people belong to a "group" if they don't have a business or common acount?
It seems that we are not the only ones confused as to what it is supposed to show.
And just for the record, we did publicly acknowledge our mistake with the phone number and the card. As for taking things out of context with regard to the FW conversation: we don't think so. We just said that according to their own statement they didn't get any praetors as they themselves confirmed they had gotten the Fulgrims and already shipped them.
A good way of showing you are a legit company is to display your business registration number. In fact, not showing it is a good way of showing you are not a legit company.
Resin Forge wrote:It shows that our staff has been customers for years, even before Resin Forge started. It shows we call on orders, check on customer updates, and frankly, it shows we run a legit company.
It shows the first of those. I'm still a little puzzled as to how it proves anything else.
I can place orders with Forge World with a business name. I can do that for years on end. Forge World would have absolutely no reason to ever verify that this was a legitimate company. Unless a customer is setting up a trade account, they're just a customer... they can order with whatever name they want, it makes no difference to the purchase.
ALL that the 'statement' from Tris says is that several people associated with Resin Forge have been ordering stuff from Forge World for a while now.
Which, given the photos that they had of Forge World product in packages even before all of this hullabaloo, was never in any doubt to begin with.
Why is it that whenever Daniel Mandelbaum is running some scheme there's at least one customer who comes along defending him saying 'I've heard his side' and 'I don't believe all this proof it's your word against his'? It's so predictable, every time.
Look at the sheer number of complaints against Red Star One and Matt Bonder, his previous alisases. I'd like to know what his version of events are that convinces people that its just Internet gossip and he's actually an honest guy. He must be very persuasive. There are people owed money and have uncompleted orders going back *years*. Alpharius was paid the outstanding amount after four years of hassling him online. But there must be others out of pocket. When he started the Miniature Wargames Conversions site he found people to defend him, and aggressively so, on forums saying they'd heard his side and it was all rumour and there was no proof. Then a few months later it ended in tears because Mandelbaum was using the reputation of the site to take commissions for work which were then not completed.
Talk to the people who have been abused and harassed by him over the phone. There's a guy here that had Mandelbaum call his company trying to get him sacked. Resin Forge is a company that wouldn't tell anyone who their owners were and took dubious looking legal action to prevent discussion that Mandelbaum was the owner. Which he is!! Then we have the fact that Kim and Jason still won't tell us any details about their company to prove its legally registered and everything about their HH weekend is claims with no substance, they can produce no photos, no evidence that they travelled or bought anything there, it's all on trust, which isn't a lot if you're at all acquainted with Mandelbaum.
They might have sold you a sad story about being bullied on online and how its all a big mix up, all that money owed fir so long, and you seem to be getting a good deal now because they give small amounts of money back. Well you've been warned, the evidence is everywhere online about Mandelbaum, but if you find yourself ripped off at a later date when you hand over substantial money to them don't say you weren't warned.
Well, I'd say either he's very good at finding and picking out gullible people or he's very good at brainwashing them. In both cases he would have been better off founding a sect than going into the miniatures business.
Here a relatively fresh example of one of his staunch defenders (who nevertheless had chosen to cancel his own HH weekender order due to "sudden financial restraints"):
DLtEM:
I have read a lot of the facebook and dakka threads, and there are instances of people claiming they have no stock and just try and scam you, which there is no concrete evidence for.
I personally do think that there are sides. There is RF, terrible communication and all. And everyone on dakka and lex with the witch hunt.
I don't know if there are multiple admins on Lex, but there are definitely some instances of the "unbiased reporter" instigating the conflict. Just stating that you are unbiased doesn't make you unbiased.
I can make as many claims as I want, and that doesn't make them true.
If I go on a random forum and claim that I bought ten trillion dollars worth of dark age technology from Dan Abnett and that I only received half of it, that doesn't make it true.
RF definitely could have handled the situation better, but so could lex and dakka(and subsequently all the people that involves as I know it is not just one entity).
I guess I would like to say that I am done with this huge witch hunt. It has already taken more of my time than I would have cared for it to.
Hi guys, I'm new here. I've been reading about this drama going on since Lex posted it on facebook and have followed this and the previous deleted thread.
I wanted to write my opinion since Dome has started posting here because maybe you guys need the perspective of someone not involved with either party but who "could" be a potential costumer of RF and has found about this thread. Maybe that will give you insight as to what you are thinking is important to let the people new to this issue know and how to put a clearer case on the matter.
First of all I don't know any of you and even if you all lot sound really convincing and mature about this I have to take your word on most stuff that you said. I've read most of the two threads and what you claim as evidence of this guy Daniel as "allegedly" having scammed people in the past, to me that I wasn't there when he did that is just testimonies. In fact the only one I can recall after reading a great deal about it is the case about this forum poster that was recently finally refunded his money. Again what I read in this thread was only his side of the story with no proof about his case. WhichI believe of course but then again, I wouldn't expect everyone else would. I'm sure he did post the evidence somewhere at some point in time but that is lost to me since I couldn't see the reference anywhere, just his posts talking about it.
I read the first post of the old thread, it contained a summary of what this guy has done in his previous endeavours, which, to the point in case, is the most important part of the discussion because he has not done anything "bad" as part of RF "yet". To outsiders going over 40 pages of talking how bad his grammar is (which it is), how terrible a PR mess this is (again I agree) does not help anyone believe anything rather than you guys are pretty serious about watching every step he takes but nothing more. To some it might even look like this is a witch hunt with not enough proof to have a solid motive (again, not my case).
My advice to you guys is this: I know it's hard and many of the old post are gone (I clicked the links when I found the old thread, some weredead) or are too long to read again about the old cases. Make a summary of the people you know have "allegedly" been scammed in the past, add as much facts to it as you can, make it undeniable. That will speak for itself and people like Dome will only be able to come here and say "well they didn't wrong ME, so I think they are fine", which is a terrible selfish thing to say imo, but it will be clear that is their only position since facts will really be out in the table and not just in the memories of those who were round when the "alleged" scams actually happened.
To actual, potential customers, seeing how people were "allegedly" ripped off buy this guy will be more than enough to be scared away, even more than proving if the guy went or not to the weekender or if he got the fulgrims one way or another. I see you are trying to find a potential scam on his acts, but don't forget that it may not happen and you are using all your energies on something I think might not be as useful as pointing out the facts of the past.
I apologise in advance if I overlooked this threads and failed to read those facts (and by facts I don'tmean posts about people saying "I was scammed", I mean proof of it), I just wanted to express my point of view for you to make a stronger case about this.
Also nice to meet you guys, I'll be lurking a bit around the rest of the threads now that I've found you (I'm relatively new to the hobby)
I really, really don't get the 'claims' business...
Do we have 100% incontrovertible proof or everything we state suspicions on? No.
BUT
There is an absolute crap ton of stuff that is proven, and not only that, admitted to at various points by Mandelbaum himself! Don't take our word for it, take his lol!
He did leave many customers high and dry. He did use various aliases. He did use the excuse of a fictional wife and child both dying of cancer. He did use the good reputation of others to hide himself and commit further unscrupulous actions against customers. He did pretend to be his mother with me personally. He has harassed a dozen or more people by e-mail and phone. He did call someone's work to try and get them fired. He did participate In a fraudulent c and d.
None of this stuff is up or debate, it happened and is corroborated. Is it proven in a ourt of law? No. But it doesn't mean rock solid evidence and his own confessions aren't there. Alleged is just a technicality on most of this stuff.
Get a clue people. If you are going to trust RF do it because you think the guy is reformed, not because you think the history above is somehow in question. Read the bloody evidence for the love of Pete.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit, just saw the above post which went up while I was writing... A list of people still outstanding or harassed is a pretty good idea IMO...
Edit, just saw the above post which went up while I was writing... A list of people still outstanding or harassed is a pretty good idea IMO...
If nothing else it will stop any claims that all this thread has is 'speculation on past problems he has had', turning it instead into 'a list of people who he has scammed that we have proof of'. Or this sort of thing
I've read most of the two threads and what you claim as evidence of this guy Daniel as having scammed people in the past, to me that I wasn't there when he did that is just testimonies. In fact the only one I can recall after reading a great deal about it is the case about this forum poster that was recently finally refunded his money.
The other issue is that part way through, this evolved into checking the veracity of RF's claims they were going to the HH Weekender, with the intention of bringing back. 'Luggage full of FW minis' (their words).
Once checking and questioning as to whether this would be happening, the obfuscation and cries of abuse from MandelBonder started in earnest.
He has still as of today yet to prove he, or any of his personalities attended the weekender - he's claimed he has done so through the FW email, which is untrue. He's claimed that he did so by posting boxes allegedly full of FW bits, which again is untrue.
This isn't a witch hunt. If it was, the net would be casting around for others.
MajorTom11 wrote: I really, really don't get the 'claims' business...
Do we have 100% incontrovertible proof or everything we state suspicions on? No.
BUT
There is an absolute crap ton of stuff that is proven, and not only that, admitted to at various points by Mandelbaum himself! Don't take our word for it, take his lol!
He did leave many customers high and dry. He did use various aliases. He did use the excuse of a fictional wife and child both dying of cancer. He did use the good reputation of others to hide himself and commit further unscrupulous actions against customers. He did pretend to be his mother with me personally. He has harassed a dozen or more people by e-mail and phone. He did call someone's work to try and get them fired. He did participate In a fraudulent c and d.
None of this stuff is up or debate, it happened and is corroborated. Is it proven in a ourt of law? No. But it doesn't mean rock solid evidence and his own confessions aren't there. Alleged is just a technicality on most of this stuff.
Get a clue people. If you are going to trust RF do it because you think the guy is reformed, not because you think the history above is somehow in question. Read the bloody evidence for the love of Pete.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit, just saw the above post which went up while I was writing... A list of people still outstanding or harassed is a pretty good idea IMO...
Yeah, I get it, the guy is a jerk. But what I think is important is that people paid for something they didn't get. That's the proof I was refering to, and the one that I missed to see except for the cause of (I don't remember your nick, sorry!) the guy who recently got refunded. You guys keep saying "tons of people "allegedly" got scammed in the past" and "go and read the evidence". Please do point me that way, cause that's what I want to read. Again, not that I don't believe it when you say "people were scammed", but you talk about that evidence that got lost for me in the whole debate about how stupid and bad businessman this guy reallly is, which seems pretty obvious already.
Edit: my keyboard doesn't like spaces between words
May I remind people that the board's policy is not to refer to Resin Forge or Daniel Mandelbaum as a scammer or thief as he has not been in court on such charges.
Long text ahead. From private message on Facebook. DW acting as communications mediator between Lexicanum and Resin Forge.
DW:
Hi guys,
I, like yourselves, want to bottom out the whole Resin Forge saga. I've had a great service from them on two occasions.
I have spoken with Resin Forge and I've told them the only way to get things back on track is to fully satisfy your concerns.
Could you please give me a few bullets covering exactly what you want answers to or addressed.
I will provide this list to Resin Forge with the idea that they answer them all.
Regards,
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LEXICANUM:
Since we report on Dakkadakka's viewpoints it's basically the same list.
- business registration number/ tax number (only that will allow an independent check of who are owners)
- physical business address + official statements as to the names of former and current owners in an absultely clear way (not the usual jumping around without making a real statement)
- proof that they visited the Horus Heresy weekender (photos not taken from other people's pages)
- clear and precise statements as to if and till when Daniel Mandelbaum was co-owner of Resin Forge.
This would be the minimum questions to be answered.
You can also give uy the contact addresses that he gave you (physical addresses, not e-mail or phone).
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DW:
Hi Lex. Here is the response from Resin Forge:
- business registration number/ tax number (only that will allow an independent check of who are owners)
Done once we have Daniel officially removed as co-owner. That way the tax and business info match. If we list it now people will say he has never quit and wont. With proof showing he's gone, that ends that topic.
- physical business address + official statements about the names of former and current owners in an absolutely clear way (not the usual jumping around without making a real statement)
We are changing over addresses to a PO box which can be checked at the post office about who's name it is in. Lex says PO boxes are bad but frankly, after the harassment Daniel got, even if you all feel it's deserved, we do not wish the same. PO boxes can be tracked but it keeps drama away from our homes. We will discuss our results. Official statements have been provided on both Jason and I. First and last name in the C&D as well as my own paypal.
We were scammed by the very law firm but we told them to put all 3 owners to be OPEN AND HONEST. We did not hide anyone. We will not provide pictures of IDs as Daniels mother did that last year before she passed away and was still told he's fake. Then upon the very day she died this year, people talked about her badly. Then again on mother's day when people sent her dead lowers with her obituary picture stating rot in hell and other horrid things. Now they act like he plays the move psycho. No wonder he quit after kens claims was resolved by me and my personal account tied to RF.
- proof that they visited the Horus Heresy weekend (photos not taken from other people's pages)
This one will not happen. Pictures show Kim and Jason and we will NOT show what they look like. Even FW itself agreed to not show who we sent and told us flat-out they do not show list of people who were there. That's a clear violation of privacy. This topic also has ZERO to do with how we have made every order or refunded 3 people 2 of which we won the paypal dispute but refunded anyways. Jean, Midget Overlord as he goes by on dakka stated bluntly he talked to Jason and Daniel. Paypal is in my name. 3 owners. done. You also fail to mention the 8 people who wanted to sell us fulgrims. We didnt get really any extras but since we made less then a handful of sales total, it didnt matter.
- clear and precise statements as to if and till when Daniel Mandelbaum was co-owner of Resin Forge.
Once we find a law firm here that can write up the papers for a cost we can afford (soon) we will post those gladly showing Daniel has left the company for good. Thats documents that can be verified. Same goes with Business regestration. We need to remove him from it before showing hes gone, obviously. This would be the minimum questions to be answered. I assume for now as you always want more proof, which at this point we want this to end so ask away. But do not give us no time to provide what you want. We have lives and family too that take up our time as well.
You can also give uy the contact addresses that he gave you (physical addresses, not e-mail or phone).
No idea what this means.
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DW:
Again from Resin Forge:
-You can also give uy the contact addresses that he gave you (physical addresses, not e-mail or phone).
No idea what this means.
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DW:
Again from Resin Forge:
If he wants alternate proof for something we refuse to show, we are open to hear it.
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LEXICANUM:
That's free to publish?
"You can also give uy the contact addresses that he gave you"
That's addresses to which parcels by people who gave Mandelbaum models to convert were sent to. You can also ask if they will continue using the Mandelbaum office space PO boxes for business. And the Mandelbaum phone number to "contact" people who disagreed with them (aka continue to call up people's workplaces to get them fired).
Also: they don't have any pictures of any models from the HH weekender that does not show the two owners who went? Hiw did they manage that? Did they creep into the showcases? Did they jump in front of the powerpoint presentation? THat is kind of hard to believe somehow, what do you think?
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DW:
Resin Forge asked me to send you this from a e-mail from Tris at Forge World
ATTACHED ALREADY KNOWN SCREENSHOT OF FW MAIL
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DW:
Just sending your comments to Resin Forge
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LEXICANUM:
PLus let's make one things absolutely clear. You can also go and check that in all our past posts and on the Dakka thread. Nobody did say that Resin Forge was scamming people. It was and is all about the by now self confessed fact that Daniel Mandelbaum is/ was involved in that company that all that stuff came up. Daniel Mandelbaum has a mile long string of fraud allegations against him and the purpose was and is to protect people from falling for his tricks again. And although Resin Forge always claims that Dakka or others doubt they have real customers that got their stuff this is simply not true. The doubts were neither referring to their general stock, nor to the existence of all their customers, but quite specifically to the promises to get new customers for bringing stuff from the HH weekender.
And just as a sidenote: all the previous businesses or Daniel Mandelbaum also had satisfied and loyal customers. Until at some point all blew up and he disappeared.
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DW:
Resin Forge say comments can be published
My personal opinion is what does it matter about them being present at the event or not. They were able to fulfill most of the relevant requests and dealt professionally with those they couldn't. Just an opinion. Happy to discuss
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LEXICANUM:
That email [(NOTE: referring to FW email)] doesn't prove they went to the HH weekender, it just says that people from their "group" (why "group"? It should be a "business" or "company" or sth like that?) ordered products from Forgeworld. Which was not questioned.
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DW:
I thought there was some question about actually having stock?
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LEXICANUM:
No. That is what Resin Forge tries to make everybody believe. The question was and is that they claimed to go to the HH Weekender. Seriously, we are not lying to you. Resin Forge made that one up in order to present themselves as victims or whatever. If you would like to have a look at the Dakka thread you would see how often people said that it was about the HH weekender.
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DW:
I'm not saying your lying dude
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LEXICANUM:
It's just that it really gets on my nerves how this person/ persons manages to turn every frikkin't statement around. We just asked for denial or confirmation that Daniel Mandelbaum was behind Resin Forge in the beginning. And then they went ape on us. Really incredible.
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DW:
Ok. I've not spoken directly to Resin Forge on this point but could this not be a confused point. I thought they honoured all requests for bits related to the event? Did someone not get what they requested and then not receive a refund?
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DW:
Response from Resin Forge
Ok, one moment while I put them into a wordpad to actually read. Also, just looking over it, there are questions, mainly on Daniel, some we can talk about others we will not, simply because he is no long a part of the company and wont be 100% once the legal documents are signed. All of which will be from a Dallas Law Firm which can be verified. We want all information to be easily verifiable.
You can send that but ask him to wait while the rest is gone over closely to have proper responses.
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DW:
Response from Resin Forge
At least in the interest of good will in these talks.
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LEXICANUM:
We haven't seen any proof that they ever went to the event. Or that they delivered any goods from the event. Which does NOT mean we say somebody did not get refunden. We just generally doubt that Resin Forge ever went to the event.
*refunded
@"You can send that but ask him to wait while the rest is gone over closely to have proper responses.": too late, already went out to the Dakka people after the first "ok".
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DW:
Could it not be that when they said they would attend they meant they would have a presence in getting stock? I know they asked customers who were attending if they would be willing to help them get the items. Maybe a mistake to use those terms in hindsight
Ok can you take it down in while this is all sorted as a gesture of good will to get to the bottom of this?
Responses to all points are half complete
Sorry for the confusion
Do you mind me asking where in dakka this is going?
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LEXICANUM:
Well, you can't get back messages. As you will notice, we did not put it up yet on the thread and FB page. That does not mean that we will stick to a seconf version if there are important changes of content.
As for them going to HH weekender
hhconfirm-cens.jpg
They also promised coverage of the HH weekender.
HHcoverage.jpg
Here: they clearly avoid the question here
hhorno.jpg
And here the completely clear statement that they were
going to the weekender
resinforgeweekender1.jpg
And in the first statement that you forwarded us they
say themselves:
"- proof that they visited the Horus Heresy weekend
(photos not taken from other people's pages)
This one will not happen. Pictures show Kim and Jason and we will NOT show what they look like. Even FW itself agreed to not show who we sent and told us flat-out they do not show list of people who were there. That's a clear violation of privacy. "
Does that convince you that they were telling their customers they were going to the weekender?
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DW:
Ok. By what you've posted it does appear they intended to attend and said as much.
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LEXICANUM:
Yep. So people want to see proof.
And they want to see proof because they don't believe that Daniel Mandelbaum has given up his old ways where would always construct such stories etc.
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DW:
I see the problem. What I'm not sure about is it's significance. Yes, they should not have said this if they did not intend to attend. But this issue seems to be purely about attendance at the event. But this did not lead them to promise stock they could not provide. Infact they were specific there would be limits
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LEXICANUM:
You see, this whole pile of gak started because Resin Forge refused to admit that Mandelbaum was in the boat (if not the captain of the boat). People by know even doubt the existence of the other "co-owners".
Did you read the Dakka thread? It would really, really help I think.
The relevance if they attended or not is that you can't say you run a legit business if you are accused of being a pathological liar. That starts with getting stuff from an event halfway across the globe and ends as the last times with people getting ripped off because they believed that his wife and kids died and therefore they did not claim their money back in time etc. This really is a general issue. Resin Forge does not seem able to make honest statements or not to contradict itself constantly.
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DW:
I've received answers from Resin Forge to the points. They just need to correct a mistake and I'll forward it.
Ignore the "hate posts" in between, but please skim through. You will understand much better what is going on when having the complete story and not only what Resin Forge decided to pick out and publish on their page (not to mention what they decided to delete!).
LINK: Cease & Desist letter sent to Dakka on behalf of Resin Forge & its owner Daniel Mandelbaum -...
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DW:
Ok dude. Thank you. Answers incoming
"You can also give us the contact addresses that he gave you"
That's addresses to which parcels by people who gave Mandelbaum models to convert were sent to. You can also ask if they will continue using the Mandelbaum office space PO boxes for business. And the Mandelbaum phone number to "contact" people who disagreed with them (aka continue to call up people's workplaces to get them fired).
That is a clear no. We will not be using his address or even one close to him. Daniel used either his home address or his own personal business address which was a Suite, not a PO BOX. We will most likely use a PO BOX as after this whole drama with everyone, including Daniel, we do not want personal home addresses given out. In the US that is perfectly legal for a small company. We will list this PO BOX number which can easily be tracked by postal workers as to who owns it. We will also not be using his phone number any longer. His number he said will not change simply for people to reach him if they should have any claims against him. We also did not agree for him to call that persons place of work. We wanted Jason to be the one who is much calmer and was the one to deal with Midget overlord on dakka which we resolved even with a USPS mistake and tracking that simply did not update. (This can be easily looked up on page 2 of that thread.)
Also: they don't have any pictures of any models from the HH weekender that does not show the two owners who went? Hiw did they manage that? Did they creep into the showcases? Did they jump in front of the powerpoint presentation? THat is kind of hard to believe somehow, what do you think?
There are a total of 11 pictures but in all 11, the 2 staff are shown. Crowds were thick around the cases and once again, the staff that was there are small. And honestly scared over all the internet hate towards Daniel. Believe it or not, its the simple truth. Its also worth pointing out, the trip was not for the event. It was a trip planned in advance and then as the event was near the date planned, it was tossed in. The real trip was to simple visit friends.
Plus let's make one things absolutely clear. You can also go and check that in all our past posts and on the Dakka thread. Nobody did say that Resin Forge was scamming people. It was and is all about the by now self confessed fact that Daniel Mandelbaum is/ was involved in that company that all that stuff came up. Daniel Mandelbaum has a mile long string of fraud allegations against him and the purpose was and is to protect people from falling for his tricks again. And although Resin Forge always claims that Dakka or others doubt they have real customers that got their stuff this is simply not true. The doubts were neither referring to their general stock, nor to the existence of all their customers, but quite specifically to the promises to get new customers for bringing stuff from the HH weekender.
That may be true but the Lex fans used the word scam, ripoff, con, thief and many more over and over with rarely a censor. We do screen cap as well. Daniel's history was much more then we had thought. When we did find out we were not going to ditch him or the community just to leave the "hordes" left hanging. We set up a phone line and got 1 call which we are working to prove but records from then are hard for both sides to find. Even then and even with Daniel leaving we wish to continue to work with that person. We also worked with ken from Dakka ourselves. We have always treated our customers right and if a co owner had claims against him, we did check into them.
There is a bunch of internet rumors but none of those people step up
As for our new customers as you put it from the HH weekender, you have always grossly over estimated it. We sold at cost, to less then a handful of people. We did that as a promo to build rep for RF. But because of Daniel, Lex, Dakka and others, we are all but ruined. We put savings into this. And now we are nothing but scum for trying to help people for Daniel.
And just as a sidenote: all the previous businesses or Daniel Mandelbaum also had satisfied and loyal customers. Until at some point all blew up and he disappeared.
We are not going anywhere. We warn people with custom orders when it gets to be day 30. We are also phasing out those very custom orders due to delays by FW.
We want loyal, repeat customers. Not to scam people and vanish. That's why we are still here.
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DW:
Resin Forge have asked me to confirm the text is in 3rd person as it is written as a company.
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LEXICANUM:
Well, they had weeks to clear things up. Instead they decided to go the aggression way and deny everything until it was way too late. They were given ample opportunity beforehand to react and make a statement concerning Daniel Mandelbaum. And come on, now they act surprised that people who have been ripped of by Mandelbaum in we don't know how many aliases explode as soon as he is sighted again. Oh please...
As for our fans or likers: we don't tell what to do. And pointing out that it was Resin Forge who brought the Lexicanum into this in the first place for having posts taken down and then brazenly claiming that Lexicanum was a hate page that had the homepage of their legal counsel deleted. We asked a simple question if Mandelbaum was in RF or not. And by then ALL the gakload of problems were already out. So since May 7th or around there they did not deign to clear that up until now. And they were informed WELL beforehand that if they wouldn't bring proof from the HH weekender, nobody would believe them. Nevertheless they decided on purpose not to bring back evidence? Oh pleaaaaaase. That's like the story that all eight people who wanted to sell their Fulgrims to Resin Forge were influenced by unknown persons to change their opinions.
So ok, let's assume for a second that anybody would buy that thing with them being in every picture. What's the explanation that they did not post photos of the entry tickets? Their names are already known, so?
Also the screenshot titled "resinforgeweekender1.jpg" compared to this statement " Its also worth pointing out, the trip was not for the event. It was a trip planned in advance
and then as the event was near the date planned, it was tossed in. The real trip was to simple visit friends."
This does not really add up either. And you see that's the essence of almost all statements from Resin Forge with or without Mandelbaum. They are very difficult to make sense out as in every case they look quite sketchy. Add to that old Mandelbaum emails feature the same grammatical and spelling errors as the newer RF without Mandelbaum ones and you will understand that these explanations are not exactly going to convince a lot of people.
Also: no photos of the Fulgrims they brought back. The yknew everybody wnated to see pics and they did not manage to take a photo of any of the HH only products without the owners in them?
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DW:
All good points. So do you believe this Daniel is still involved? Do I suggest to Resin Forge that one of the only ways to make some positive movement forwards is to show evidence of attendance at the HH weekender?
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LEXICANUM:
Still involved? How to ascertain that? Only time will show that I guess... If he is, sooner or later the same will happen as in all the other businesses he was invlovedin. If he's not, RF could work. Or not, they already damaged themselves quite a lot.
But for sure if they won't come up with proof they were at HH weekender and that tax number to show they are at least a registered business on the names they claim, people will continue to ask questions. Quite understandably. And should it - in the worst case - really come out at a later point that Mandelbaum continues to be invloved contrary to the statements of now that he is gone, well then they are really, really royally fethed in the public opinion. And quite possibly also in the legal one if the documents are not filled out correctly. BUt we'll leave that for the future.
If you want to know if we personally believe this whole story. Well. Mandelbaum in the past already created whole armies of fake identities and multiple personalities to play different roles. So it's difficult not to at least take into consideration that the two other owners could be made up. Another reason for an official document stating clearly who is now standing in with their name for the whole thing. No matter what we personally believe, we will publish the statement that Mandelbaum is gone as according to Resin Forge, than people will have to make up their mind. Of course every contradictory statement at a later point will immediately bring back everybody to the point where we are now - just way quicker.
But for the photos, that is the thinnest most desperate excuse ever though, honestly. Crop the pictures. Black out the faces. You guys have a computer right? There is free software lol, just download it and blank the faces out!
Also, weekender attendance is very relevant because they pre sold items that were impossible to guarantee based on them eing there, they took money from people in a less than honest way even if tey did go... If they didn't... Well that old be tantamount to fraud in my book, once again they would have money in their account under false pretenses. It is incredibly relevant to their honesty and business practices.
But for the photos, that is the thinnest most desperate excuse ever though, honestly. Crop the pictures. Black out the faces. You guys have a computer right? There is free software lol, just download it and blank the faces out!
Also, weekender attendance is very relevant because they pre sold items that were impossible to guarantee based on them eing there, they took money from people in a less than honest way even if tey did go... If they didn't... Well that old be tantamount to fraud in my book, once again they would have money in their account under false pretenses. It is incredibly relevant to their honesty and business practices.
Pretty sure most Windows computers have MS Paint installed as factory standard. That allows for cropping and blanking out faces.
But for the photos, that is the thinnest most desperate excuse ever though, honestly. Crop the pictures. Black out the faces. You guys have a computer right? There is free software lol, just download it and blank the faces out!
There are also tons of browser-java-flash based freewares. There is no need to download and install. BUt let's NOT get sidetracked by this technical question, I think everybody agrees that editting a photo should be a matter of minutes at most.
Well either way i think we are approaching End Game (Meddlebonder has gone and we wish RF all the best or Time to watch for the rabbit as it bolts for the new hole)
Resin Forge wrote:It shows that our staff has been customers for years, even before Resin Forge started. It shows we call on orders, check on customer updates, and frankly, it shows we run a legit company.
It shows the first of those. I'm still a little puzzled as to how it proves anything else.
Exactly. I'm not sure how Dan is proving anything with these.
I just logged into FW to check: I've made 10 FW orders for my gaming group since Sept 16, 2010 totaling 1790 British Pound Moneys (~$2700 American moneys). I have an email from each of these orders.
That doesn't mean I own a legitimate business, nor does it prove how handsome I am.
kronk wrote: Exactly. I'm not sure how Dan is proving anything with these.
I just logged into FW to check: I've made 10 FW orders for my gaming group since Sept 16, 2010 totaling 1790 British Pound Moneys (~$2700 American moneys). I have an email from each of these orders.
That doesn't mean I own a legitimate business.
It does now. Welcome to the world of high powered business
In all seriousness though if Resin Forge to take steps to distance themselves from what has happened previously, can demonstrate that they are a legitimate business etc. then it may so some way to repairing the damage done, as well as act as a cautionary tale to always make sure you know who you are involving yourself with.
Yes, a bit of a text wall there. I was unable to get through to the end.
Hi Lex. Here is the response from Resin Forge:
- business registration number/ tax number (only that will allow an independent check of who are owners)
Done once we have Daniel officially removed as co-owner. That way the tax and business info match. If we list it now people will say he has never quit and wont. With proof showing he's gone, that ends that topic.
They ought to publish their current reg number to show they are a legally constituted company now with Mandelbaum as a director/partner. When registered again without Mandelbaum they can publish the changed registration, or tell people it is done, which will not show Mandelbaum as a director.
To be clear, it is the business registration number required by Texan law that will help people.
Well either way i think we are approaching End Game (Meddlebonder has gone and we wish RF all the best or Time to watch for the rabbit as it bolts for the new hole)
Assuming we do see something that actually looks halfway like a legit document showing who onws RF. Waiting for it
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Here is a pretty picture to go along with a simple reminder for our customers and future customers.
The customer service number has been pushed down pretty far down. However it is now also listed in the about us section which we will also shortly have our LLC info showing the 2 remaining owners, company address, as well as the UK laws (we are US based, however we will comply to UK laws) that require a company to do those very things. Our customer service number is 1-214-632-6446, 9am - 9m Monday - Saturday. If we are on the phone with a customer or are unable to pick up right then, we will call you right back ASAP.
On a lighter note, what Mechanicum style unique ranged weapon would this robot have?
PS the number has nothing to do with being left up because of the former owner who quit. Its there for our own customers. If someone does have a problem with the former co owner, call us, or email us. We will provide contact info for him.
They don't need to post photos - all they need are:
Flight tickets / boarding passes
Receipts of sale from the HH Weekender...
Either of those would prove they were there - combine with a current Co. registration and BLAMMO! Case closed on whether its MandelBonder on his own or not.
They don't need to post photos - all they need are:
Flight tickets / boarding passes
Receipts of sale from the HH Weekender...
Either of those would prove they were there - combine with a current Co. registration and BLAMMO! Case closed on whether its MandelBonder on his own or not.
Well, I assume you mean photos or scans of said documents. I am not going to believe in typed up stuff.
Precisely. I meant photos of persons, rather than items.
I still find it amazing that they were claiming they would be 'covering' the even but then managed zero photos of ANYTHING.
Hell, even at the busiest GD when I was volunteering I came away with some cracking pictures without anyone but the mini is in them...
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Please forgive my ignorance of such things, but wouldn't a company formed in the United States be beholden to US law rather than UK law?
Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
Kilkrazy wrote: Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
That's what I thought. It seems strange that a small Texan run business which operates on little to no profit margin would try to obey UK law, and possibly make a rod for their own back, by raising the possibility of having action taken against them in UK courts and having the added financial burden of employing legal counsel in the UK, as well as having to travel there when compelled to appear.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Please forgive my ignorance of such things, but wouldn't a company formed in the United States be beholden to US law rather than UK law?
Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
In almost every state in the US, DBA registration is mandatory within 30 days of opening a business.
Also(forgive my own ignorance here) but weren't Fulgrims handed out at the time of purchase at HH? Why do people keep saying they "ordered" them at HH? I assumed they had stock on hand that they were selling.
Furthermore, quite a few things in the chain letter to Lex are sketchy. I've received no official apology for the behavior of Resin Forge in regards to the harassment of myself and my coworkers.
RF claims that Daniel quit, which I find rather odd. Why wouldn't they have fired him? Why did he quit? There is no proof that he is gone, and just leaving his name off some LLC paperwork doesn't mean that he is out of the picture.
None of the excuses RF has given hold any weight. They are all stall tactics. I've requested several times now that Kim call me up and straighten this all out, yet no call has been made.
RF dodges too many questions to be taken seriously.
Let them file a LLC without his name on it if he is still part of it all. I'm sure the Sec of State for Texas would love to see fraudulent documents being filed.
Aerethan wrote: Also(forgive my own ignorance here) but weren't Fulgrims handed out at the time of purchase at HH? Why do people keep saying they "ordered" them at HH? I assumed they had stock on hand that they were selling.
I believe that the Fulgrim figures were available in a limited quantity, and when stocks ran out they could then be ordered at the event for dispatch later.
Aerethan wrote: RF dodges too many questions to be taken seriously.
That I think is a serious problem for any business when questions arise about it's conduct, etc. Allowing questions to remain does not build trust as the longer it goes on the more they look like they have something that they are attempting to hide. And in the absence of clear and unequivocal statements people will make such inferences as they see fit with whatever evidence is available.
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d-usa wrote: Let them file a LLC without his name on it if he is still part of it all. I'm sure the Sec of State for Texas would love to see fraudulent documents being filed.
If he was retained as an outside contractor /consultant/etc. would he still be on such documents?
I think they should bring him back. The responses have become much more like Mandelbaum ever since he has left. Maybe they will be less Daniel like if he returns to the company...
Kilkrazy wrote: Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
That's what I thought. It seems strange that a small Texan run business which operates on little to no profit margin would try to obey UK law, and possibly make a rod for their own back, by raising the possibility of having action taken against them in UK courts and having the added financial burden of employing legal counsel in the UK, as well as having to travel there when compelled to appear.
I think they do that to please the people. I don't think they do that because they had to or something like that. It's more kind of doing more than is needed...
They just seem to have an excuse for every question.
"We were scammed by our fake lawyer from Germany"
"People convinced 8 sellers in the UK to not sell us their Fulgrims"
"Our faces are in all our pics and we don't want the world to know what we look like"(which is the easiest way to make people assume you are still the person we all suspect you of being)
"We're waiting to release info that proves Daniel is out because BSBSBSBS".
In the midst of all this turmoil, those "likes" keep rising. How much do those things cost?
Kilkrazy wrote: Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
That's what I thought. It seems strange that a small Texan run business which operates on little to no profit margin would try to obey UK law, and possibly make a rod for their own back, by raising the possibility of having action taken against them in UK courts and having the added financial burden of employing legal counsel in the UK, as well as having to travel there when compelled to appear.
I think they do that to please the people. I don't think they do that because they had to or something like that. It's more kind of doing more than is needed...
Historically it's more a case of growing a lie bigger and bigger until it can no longer be sustained because it starts to contradict itself and falls apart.
Doing more than is needed to please the people would be "while we at the Weekender to pick up models for our customers let us take more than 11 pictures of an event that we previously stated we would cover and share with our customers".
Kilkrazy wrote: Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
That's what I thought. It seems strange that a small Texan run business which operates on little to no profit margin would try to obey UK law, and possibly make a rod for their own back, by raising the possibility of having action taken against them in UK courts and having the added financial burden of employing legal counsel in the UK, as well as having to travel there when compelled to appear.
I think they do that to please the people. I don't think they do that because they had to or something like that. It's more kind of doing more than is needed...
So they'll comply with UK law about posting crap online, but not comply with Texas law regarding DBA registration? Call me crazy, but one of those 2 governments will kill you if you do enough wrong, and it isn't the one where police don't have guns.
Kilkrazy wrote: Yes. In fact a company in Texas is beholden to Texan law, which requires that it be registered.
That's what I thought. It seems strange that a small Texan run business which operates on little to no profit margin would try to obey UK law, and possibly make a rod for their own back, by raising the possibility of having action taken against them in UK courts and having the added financial burden of employing legal counsel in the UK, as well as having to travel there when compelled to appear.
I think they do that to please the people. I don't think they do that because they had to or something like that. It's more kind of doing more than is needed...
Historically it's more a case of growing a lie bigger and bigger until it can no longer be sustained because it starts to contradict itself and falls apart.
Doing more than is needed to please the people would be "while we at the Weekender to pick up models for our customers let us take more than 11 pictures of an event that we previously stated we would cover and share with our customers".
But maybe I just have high expectations...
Which is ludicrous. Every year I go to NAMM which is a music expo, and every year I come back with about 250 pictures(2012 I had over 500), about 10% of which actually have me in them.
And then RF says that they just so happened to already have planned on being in the UK to visit friends when the HH weekend was announced, so they were going to just drop by, no big deal. I call an insane amount of coincidental bs there.
Pictures of plane tickets, sales receipts, DBA or tax ID. We're not asking for unreasonable things here.
In any case the last post they made is not really clear to understand. I wish they would put a little more effort and checking into their public statements.
However it is now also listed in the about us section which we will also shortly have our LLC info showing the 2 remaining owners, company address, as well as the UK laws (we are US based, however we will comply to UK laws) that require a company to do those very things.
If you take it as it is, it says they will include the actual UK law texts. Plus I doubt there are laws saying anything about Facebook's "About us" section. And even if, for the European market that would be Irish law, not UK law.
However somebody once said if you sell to the UK, you need to have some stuff that UK law requires - in how far that is true I can't say.
In the midst of all this turmoil, those "likes" keep rising. How much do those things cost?
Cents. I am not saying they buy them. They/ he post their/ his models all over the place. Much more probable Their like increase is just back to previous levels, nothing super-suspicious.
My wife owns a company that is a LLC. As a Union Ironworker it works out for us. I do Ironwork (Build bridges and steel buildings), she works for a local hospital, and we ran the other business with only her on it so that I could get unemployment when I was laid off. All completely legal and above board ... but I still made money off of it and my name was not attached to it ANYWHERE.
Sorry, I have to cry BS when they say that there are employees in the photos and they are worried about harassment. Photoshop, MS paint, and various other things are available to blur or blackout faces. All could be done in about 5 seconds ... and they have to have something like that because, if you recall, they were going to watermark 'their' photos ... need software to do that. Use the software that you intended to watermark with to blur faces ....c'mon, it is not like you are building a NASA control center here.
One thing about the Business # that the wife has, now that I think about it ... it does have our ADDRESS on it ... perhaps this is why they are unwilling to publish it until it is changed. Just a thought.
One thing about the Business # that the wife has, now that I think about it ... it does have our ADDRESS on it ... perhaps this is why they are unwilling to publish it until it is changed. Just a thought.
They already wrote (see my loooong post) that they will only publish a PO box address. Can you make an LLC with a PO box address?
One thing about the Business # that the wife has, now that I think about it ... it does have our ADDRESS on it ... perhaps this is why they are unwilling to publish it until it is changed. Just a thought.
They already wrote (see my loooong post) that they will only publish a PO box address. Can you make an LLC with a PO box address?
Not if the PO Box is from the US Postal Service. From a quick search about registering an LLC ;
"When submitting your application for your business, you’re not allowed to use a P.O. Box number. However, when you rent from a UPS Store, you can simply turn your mailbox number into a “Suite” number, and the address will totally fly. In fact, that’s what was recommended to me by the person working at the UPS Store.
So, if I ended up getting mailbox #111 from a UPS Store on 222 Main Street, my physical business address might look like this:
222 Main Street, Suite 111"
So it is absolutely doable assuming it is not a government post office owned box.
And of course having an LLC with 2 owners does not preclude having additional people on-board, so "proving" new (reduced) ownership proves little.
Not to mention it takes an average of 20-30 days to get your paperwork and have a "registered" LLC once you've filed.
*Edit : Upon further reading even the UPS PO box is suspect. Unless, of course, the UPS Store is charging a fee for services to be the 'registered agent" to accept any service of legal notices on behalf of the LLC in question (and as such must be named in the LLC registration as their agent for receiving said legal notices).
Gamma310 wrote: I think they do that to please the people. I don't think they do that because they had to or something like that. It's more kind of doing more than is needed...
What people are they trying to please? Do they have a significant number of UK customers and enough profit margin to contest any civil case in the UK? It seems strange to me otherwise because I've seen nothing that there is any substantive need to follow UK law, especially as a small US based operation.
One thing about the Business # that the wife has, now that I think about it ... it does have our ADDRESS on it ... perhaps this is why they are unwilling to publish it until it is changed. Just a thought.
They already wrote (see my loooong post) that they will only publish a PO box address. Can you make an LLC with a PO box address?
As far as I can remember, no, you need a proper address on the paperwork. On The Lamb's paperwork is all on our actual address, but we only use the PO Box for everything else as our postal service is horrible.
Well to be honest, it doesn't take much to find an address. I found everyone related to Daniel and his address in Dallas with just a cursory search. Pipl.com. Or you can check the Dallas county registry. and his father owns his house, so he pops up immediately. It isn't hard to find someone in the U.S. His/their attempts at being vague are pretty much pointless.
Can't speak for the USA but here in the UK most registered addresses for businesses are the accountants address, you have a trading from address so all official mail from HMRC & Companies House etc go there and invoices and gak go to your trading from.
Gamma310 wrote: I think they do that to please the people. I don't think they do that because they had to or something like that. It's more kind of doing more than is needed...
What people are they trying to please? Do they have a significant number of UK customers and enough profit margin to contest any civil case in the UK? It seems strange to me otherwise because I've seen nothing that there is any substantive need to follow UK law, especially as a small US based operation.
Some research into UK and Texan company law is needed.
But yes, overall there is a strange lack of detail and precision about everything.
"Once we find a law firm..."
That would take 10 minutes on Google.
"Of a reasonable price..."
You don't need a law firm to fill in the papers to register a company.
As mentioned above, employees of a company are not listed on the registration anyway, so the absence of Mandelbaum would not prove he had left the company.
@Kilkrazy, in Dallas you can throw a rock and hit a lawyer, there are approximately 11,500 lawyers in Dallas/Ft. Worth. His/their excuse is another stall tactic. And Texas law states that if you are a legitimate business (taxes, permits,employees) you must register for an LLC within 30 days.
Some research into UK and Texan company law is needed.
But yes, overall there is a strange lack of detail and precision about everything.
"Once we find a law firm..."
That would take 10 minutes on Google.
"Of a reasonable price..."
You don't need a law firm to fill in the papers to register a company.
As mentioned above, employees of a company are not listed on the registration anyway, so the absence of Mandelbaum would not prove he had left the company.
I believe there are reputable companies that will do LLC paperowrk for $99 + the State filing fee(s). Also;
No, you do not need an attorney to form an LLC. You can prepare the legal paperwork and file it yourself, or use a professional business formation service, such as [redacted]. If you choose to form your LLC through [redacted], you will only need to answer a few simple questions online. We will take care of all of your paperwork, file the necessary documents with the state and even send you an LLC kit with seals and certificates.
(website's name removed in case it is seen as advertising)
warhamster77 wrote: @Kilkrazy, in Dallas you can throw a rock and hit a lawyer, there are approximately 11,500 lawyers in Dallas/Ft. Worth. His/their excuse is another stall tactic. And Texas law states that if you are a legitimate business (taxes, permits,employees) you must register for an LLC within 30 days.
Meanwhile 8 months later RF doesn't have that done.
For what it's worth, when I was working as a dance instructor, my earnings were small-time enough for me to just do as "business for self." I didn't incorporate or anything, and my income was either self reported or reported as 1099's from certain larger groups I did work for. I filed taxes for the three years I did that sort of work using a form 1040 Schedule-C. I never registered with any state governmental organization, and nothing was ever said to me by any entity, including my accountant, about that. Most of the dance instructors I know (who don't own their studio) handle stuff this way.
Saldiven wrote: For what it's worth, when I was working as a dance instructor, my earnings were small-time enough for me to just do as "business for self." I didn't incorporate or anything, and my income was either self reported or reported as 1099's from certain larger groups I did work for. I filed taxes for the three years I did that sort of work using a form 1040 Schedule-C. I never registered with any state governmental organization, and nothing was ever said to me by any entity, including my accountant, about that. Most of the dance instructors I know (who don't own their studio) handle stuff this way.
You sold services, presumably under your own name and not under a DBA. Resin Forge is a retailer, selling goods across state lines where sales tax MUST be reported. They MUST have a DBA registered with their county, and they MUST charge sales tax to any customers in TX, meaning they MUST have a tax ID.
Saldiven wrote: For what it's worth, when I was working as a dance instructor, my earnings were small-time enough for me to just do as "business for self." I didn't incorporate or anything, and my income was either self reported or reported as 1099's from certain larger groups I did work for. I filed taxes for the three years I did that sort of work using a form 1040 Schedule-C. I never registered with any state governmental organization, and nothing was ever said to me by any entity, including my accountant, about that. Most of the dance instructors I know (who don't own their studio) handle stuff this way.
You sold services, presumably under your own name and not under a DBA. Resin Forge is a retailer, selling goods across state lines where sales tax MUST be reported. They MUST have a DBA registered with their county, and they MUST charge sales tax to any customers in TX, meaning they MUST have a tax ID.
I actually just called the Texas State Comptrollers office. According to their representative, regardless of whether or not they're using a DBA or incorporated or whatever else, since they're selling a good, they must have completed the registration to get a sales tax number, must collect sales tax, and must send the collected tax to the state.
DW:
Hi dude. Little clarification from Resin Forge:
Can you tell lex, thank you for not changing things but he did get one fact wrong as did the others that read it.
We are not following UK laws, we offered to put UK law info on the site to make UK customers feel better. Here in the US we are not required to do anything of the sort.
So please let him know it was and is being done for him and his UK fans that seem to think its a law in the US as well.
Thank you.
"UK law info" still means information about UK law. Don't know how they would know about UK law or how that is supposed to make UK customers feel better. But so be it, not our problem
9. If the ownership of my business changes, is a new permit needed? Yes. The new owner must obtain a permit if there are any changes in ownership of your business. Incorporating a business or forming a partnership or limited liability company is considered a change of ownership and must be reported. For example, if you operate a business as a sole proprietor, but decide to incorporate, the corporation will have to obtain a new permit for the business, even though you may operate the business as an officer of the corporation.
Do Resin Forge really think they can restore any kind of "good faith", and then run a successful business?
From my point of view they are completely and utterly tarnished by Daniel's bad reputation, and nobody can ever be completely sure that Daniels Mandelbaum's involvement is truly ended.
Too bad, Resin Forge, but you might as well shut down. Also Resin Forge should take this as a lesson in how to totally feth-up, botch and mishandle any PR situation.
Guys it is best to stick to the facts as much as possible, do not underestimate how many people come to look at this thread and walk away with the impression we are exaggerating or have no actual evidence. Mandelbaum is absolutely expert at exploiting the tiniest grain of doubt, do not take it as a foregone conclusion that everyone believes 'us' and not RF.
Also remember, above all else, that it is exactly those kinds of people who need the info the most.
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We think we will hold him "liable" for this 
The other issue is that part way through, this evolved into checking the veracity of 
