In his defence, I get a lot of typos when I use my phone to post on Dakka too, and maybe Glasses hasn't got a computer that allows access to Dakka, for whatever reason.

So far this thread has been very informative, especially to someone like me who had no idea about this Daniel character before this.

But were getting off topic and I would like this thread to stay open as a warning to others so can we stop spamming it up please?

 Rotgut wrote:
So far this thread has been very informative, especially to someone like me who had no idea about this Daniel character before this.

But were getting off topic and I would like this thread to stay open as a warning to others so can we stop spamming it up please?

Good idea. Especially for a bunch of people who should very definitely know better. Don't push it on this one guys. I just had to edit out about 20 spam posts, next time I will just as soon issue warnings than waste more time doing that. I hope that is clear enough. This thread isn't for any of you to show how witty you are.

Hey I made a new word. But weiner dogs and Dallas aside I am on my phone as someone who tracked my ISP found in the other thread. This topic should have been locked after Yakface had his say. A simple or complex warning would have served.


Does anyone here recognize that you should never trust ANYBODY on the internet and before I beleive any "statement" I want proof from a 3rd party.

glasses wrote:
Hey I made a new word. But weiner dogs and Dallas aside I am on my phone as someone who tracked my ISP found in the other thread. This topic should have been locked after Yakface had his say. A simple or complex warning would have served.


Does anyone here recognize that you should never trust ANYBODY on the internet and before I beleive any "statement" I want proof from a 3rd party.

So a third party would be a police report right? Is there any sort of other evidence that you would accept?

glasses wrote:
Hey I made a new word. But weiner dogs and Dallas aside I am on my phone as someone who tracked my ISP found in the other thread.

You said you were on your phone in the other thread. Either way, both Android and iOS' browsers have spell checking built in and you can still take a look over your post before hitting submit.

I want proof from a third party that you Mr Glasses are not Mr Mandelbaum (this is not offtopic and not threatening)

I'm amazed that Dakka traces your IP...

 d-usa wrote:
I'm amazed that Dakka traces your IP...

Could have gotten confused. Not hard to tell he's from the US with the flag to his name, and if he's on the phone could be he didn't see it?

Devils advocate and all that

 d-usa wrote:
I'm amazed that Dakka traces your IP...

Why would you be? There's no tracing involved. Simple enough to check the logs for which IP made any given request.

Well, just haven't seen Yakface or Lego (the only two people who realistically have access to that information) come in either thread and say "Hey, we traced his IP..."

glasses wrote:
Hey I made a new word. But weiner dogs and Dallas aside I am on my phone as someone who tracked my ISP found in the other thread. This topic should have been locked after Yakface had his say. A simple or complex warning would have served.


Does anyone here recognize that you should never trust ANYBODY on the internet and before I beleive any "statement" I want proof from a 3rd party.

i got all my proof from a 3rd party....the dakka community.....believing it or not is entirely up to you but for me, there are more then enough warning flags going off around resin forge to get me to avoid buying anything from them. We are all adults here, nothing you can say will change the way I view the warning flags just like nothing I can say will change the way you view them. The purpose of this thread (and all the others on several different sites) is to put forward information and allow people to make up there own minds....for my part my mind is made up. I dont need to make any "slander" or "threats" as I've decided to voice my opinion in a much more powerful way...keeping my wallet closed

Seem RF have now employed a "PR professional" to answer all of the questions for potential customers, but only over the phone, and has not released any type of PR statement for damage control adressing allegations or associations. I'm half tempted to call the number and see who picks up.

Seem RF have now employed a "PR professional" to answer all of the questions for potential customers, but only over the phone, and has not released any type of PR statement for damage control adressing allegations or associations. I'm half tempted to call the number and see who picks up.

Better look for a public phone then... Anyway, all that is not written will - at least by me - not be taken into any consideration for anything

His spelling and grammar completely changed. He must have handed the phone to the "PR Guy".

glasses wrote:
This topic should have been locked after Yakface had his say. A simple or complex warning would have served.

But if we did that we would have never been able to find out and share that the C&D letter was send from a fake lawfirm.

And we wouldn't have been able to share our personal factual experiences with Daniel Mandelbaum.

Why would anybody try to prevent that...

@Glasses

What in particular are you looking for "proof" of?
That Daniel Mandelbaum is associated as a part owner of Resin Forge? That has been conclusively proven through the C&D and Aerathan's work fiasco, with accompanying police report.
That RF empoyed an allegedly made up company to send the C&D to Yakface? That has been conclusively proven seeing as the website has been shut down, the bitcon company seems to not exist today in any capacity, and the name of the CEO on the C&D letter has been proven to be a german photographer who is the victim of identity fraud?
That Daniel Mandelbaum has been involved in dealings that were less than honest in the past? Alpharius' posts shed some light on past dealings, as well as numerous other thread links that have popped up throughout this forum.

What exactly are you looking for proof of outside of these points?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Seem RF have now employed a "PR professional" to answer all of the questions for potential customers, but only over the phone, and has not released any type of PR statement for damage control adressing allegations or associations. I'm half tempted to call the number and see who picks up.

Better look for a public phone then... Anyway, all that is not written will - at least by me - not be taken into any consideration for anything

Or get a cheap prepaid cell.

The name in my underware is not Daniel or mendlbaum sp? Mr. Inquisitor if that is ur real name? Real or not the C&D should be a warning and taken as such.

glasses wrote:
Hey I made a new word. But weiner dogs and Dallas aside I am on my phone as someone who tracked my ISP found in the other thread. This topic should have been locked after Yakface had his say. A simple or complex warning would have served.


Does anyone here recognize that you should never trust ANYBODY on the internet and before I beleive any "statement" I want proof from a 3rd party.

Yes, this topic should have been closed immediately, that way it would end discussion and we likely wouldn't have all found out about the questionable authenticity of the legal firm backing this C&D. Or the other things that have come out.

Closing the topic so it slides down the forum and into obscurity is exactly what ResinForge want, you seem remarkably keen for them to not have to answer anything and be allowed to continue unquestioned.

glasses wrote:
The name in my underwear is not Daniel or Mandelbaum sp? Mr. Inquisitor if that is ur real name? Real or not the C&D should be a warning and taken as such.

And the person that the C&D was addressed to, one Mr. Jon Regul (aka Yakface), responded in kind with the request of the C&D that asked the previous thread be taken down. The rest of this thread has been the Dakka community at large asking the questions about what we as a concerned community of gamers are asking.

And good sir, you still haven't answered my question. What do you consider valid 3rd party proof? Just a police report, or what?

glasses wrote:
Does anyone here recognize that you should never trust ANYBODY on the internet and before I beleive any "statement" I want proof from a 3rd party.

You're telling us never to trust anybody on the internet, and then you make a demand for proof?

Did that not seem at all hypocritical when you wrote it?

The name in my underware is not Daniel or mendlbaum sp? Mr. Inquisitor if that is ur real name?

I just checked and both My t-shirt and my underwear do bear the inscription "Inquisitor S.", so that MUST be my real name. I just wonder from where you are Mr glasses, where inscriptions on clothing are a valid form of ID.

Real or not the C&D should be a warning and taken as such.

You see, there we have a problem. Since the C&D was obviously written by a non-existing person or to be more precise by a person who stole another person's identity this makes it completely invalid as it is as if the C&D has not been written at all. We can just call it badly written fiction and title it: "50 Rages of Mandelbaum" or "The Resin Forge Zone". Obeying a piece of fiction is like we would pay money to a James Bond villain who threatens to destroy the UN building with his death laser

P.S.: it's again the personality with the spelling trouble at the keyboard as I see

Alright guys, let's stop engaging with Glasses please as he really doesn't have anything new to say.

Glasses we appreciate your opinion but the majority of us drastically disagree with you on what constitutes relevant evidence and also service to the community. I think it has been established that we will have to agree to disagree with you on those points.

If you have new information or new commentary to make then you are welcome to continue posting, but you have stated this is shameful bs 4 or 5 times now with little else to add, and we have all heard and acknowledged you. I would hate to assume your only goal here was to incite aggression.

glasses wrote:
The name in my underware is not Daniel or mendlbaum sp? Mr. Inquisitor if that is ur real name? Real or not the C&D should be a warning and taken as such.

The C&D was taken seriously, despite the dubious circumstances surrounding it. Yakface complied fully with the request, and the thread has mainly stayed on topic. Is it a violation of the C&D to say "Daniel Mandelbaum is a part owner of Resin Forge" as his name is attached to the C&D letter? Is it a violation of the C&D to say "Daniel Mandelbaum has been a part of x,y,z companies in the past, and these are anecdotal examples of those business dealings? Dakka is not presenting anything as fact OTHER than the fact the Daniel Mandelbaum is in fact associated with this company, that his past companies have had less than stellar reviews, and everyone here is free to do/not do business with Resin Forge at their own discretion.

Outright claims of criminal activity are in no way endorsed by dakka, and are being strictly moderated as such. This thread has merely served as a conduit to provide information on dubious circumstances surrounding RF and its business model, nothing more nothing less. I fail to see how this is implicitly or explicity violating the wording of the C&D, or constitutes any form of legal action on RF's part?

EDIT: Sorry MajorTom, was writing this up and didn't see your post, I can remove if you want?

Alright guys, let's stop engaging with Glasses please as he really doesn't have anything new to say.

I agree with you but nevertheless I think I just raised a valid point. Letters written by non existing persons don't have any meaning at all or am I missing something? I think this is actually quite important to know. In all seriousness.

Fair enough on that one -

glasses wrote:
The name in my underware is not Daniel or mendlbaum sp? Mr. Inquisitor if that is ur real name? Real or not the C&D should be a warning and taken as such.

Fake legal threats should be ignored for the farce that they are. Yakface complied with the letter, and since that time we have proven without a doubt that the C&D was not sent by any real or legal entity.

I don't know about you, but I ignore all warnings from fictional people, on account of them not being real.

As for proof that Mandelbaum is related to RF, I honestly don't know how much more proof I can give. I showed call logs, police reports, I can post email chains... And I have screenshots out the wazoo.

You keep asking for "proof" even after it's been provided.

Okay, glasses... Legit question here. I'm hoping you respond.

I am known to have a history with Daniel Mandelbaum as Mathew Bonder. As someone with said history, I have serious questions:

What proof do you want, and what do you want proven?
Do you want proof that he is accused of scamming people? Is there anything outside of (a) his own admission or (b) the results of a legal proceeding that will convince you of such?
(Note to Mods... I am not making the accusation of him being a scammer. I'm asking what would convince glasses that he is.)

What do you (or WOULD you) make of an established history of people (a) making accusations and (b) showing proof of those accusations? I mean to say, if I could post links to one or more complaints that Daniel, either as Daniel or the now confirmed alias of Matthew Bonder accepting goods or money in exchange for products and/or services that he never provided, would you accept them as true, or would you need the complainants to have gone through a court of law and had Dan/Matthew found guilty?

If you would accept them as true without them having gone through a court of law, would that convince you that the man is someone to be avoided at all costs?

@ everyone -
I find it interesting that one of his partners is Kim Hernandez and his wife (per the link to his mother's Obit) is Stephanie Hernandez. I know the last name is relatively common, but he IS known to have assumed the identity of others in the past (and, NO, I'm not referring to the bitscon guy).

Eric

glasses wrote:
Hey I made a new word. But weiner dogs and Dallas aside I am on my phone as someone who tracked my ISP found in the other thread. This topic should have been locked after Yakface had his say. A simple or complex warning would have served.


Does anyone here recognize that you should never trust ANYBODY on the internet and before I beleive any "statement" I want proof from a 3rd party.

Are you saying: we should 1) have taken Resin Forge at its word that it sent a C&D letter; 2) sending a C&D from a nonexistent law firm is prima facae evidence of unclean hands in any future legal proceeding, likely resulting in severe monetary sanctions to the individual doing so, and potentially amounting to felony level criminal activity, especially if it consitutes minimum requirements under the RICO Act and therefore the Fedreal Government could use anti organized crime statutes to go after those parties anywhere in the US and its territories; or; 3) you are on your phone?

I'm confused, why does it matter if you are posting on your phone? How is that pertinent to the topic of what is effectively a fraudulent C&D letter?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Alright guys, let's stop engaging with Glasses please as he really doesn't have anything new to say.

Glasses we appreciate your opinion but the majority of us drastically disagree with you on what constitutes relevant evidence and also service to the community. I think it has been established that we will have to agree to disagree with you on those points.

If you have new information or new commentary to make then you are welcome to continue posting, but you have stated this is shameful bs 4 or 5 times now with little else to add, and we have all heard and acknowledged you. I would hate to assume your only goal here was to incite aggression.

I'll just add some red to this so you guys actually notice it then.

Has anyone who has been bothered by Daniel ever actually gone to the police? He's (all allegedly) impersonated a police officer (during TSS), now a lawyer, made harassing phone calls, threats, all on top of money issues still outstanding.

If there's no real consequence to his actions, other than moving shop every few months, what's to make him stop? No disrespect intended, I know first hand what a pain "petty" claims can be to follow up on. It just ...... all feels a bit futile, despite the level of interest.

We don't know that Daniel impersonated a lawyer. For all we know somebody saw him in trouble and decided to con him into thinking that the person he hired was a "legal" film.

We have plenty of evidence that Britcons is fake and the C&D is a wash. We don't have any proof of how far Daniel is involved in that.

 d-usa wrote:
We don't know that Daniel impersonated a lawyer. For all we know somebody saw him in trouble and decided to con him into thinking that the person he hired was a "legal" film.

We have plenty of evidence that Britcons is fake and the C&D is a wash. We don't have any proof of how far Daniel is involved in that.

Right, but whoever is involved in that should face consequences. If those involved do nothing, then there is no point in any evidence that has been uncovered as anyone conducting criminal behavior will simply get away with it.

Vetric wrote:
Has anyone who has been bothered by Daniel ever actually gone to the police? He's (all allegedly) impersonated a police officer (during TSS), now a lawyer, made harassing phone calls, threats, all on top of money issues still outstanding.

If there's no real consequence to his actions, other than moving shop every few months, what's to make him stop? No disrespect intended, I know first hand what a pain "petty" claims can be to follow up on. It just ...... all feels a bit futile, despite the level of interest.

Most claims of theft and/or mail fraud don't become worth it to pursue and prosecute until they reach one thousand dollars in damage/missing property.

From what I can gather, individuals rarely, if ever, exceed this number when doing business with Mr. Mandelbaum. It would take the people that have issues with missing product (like Alpharius, who by his count is owed 235 USD worth of product and services from Mr. Mandelbaum) to band together and create a class action claim of sorts. Something similar happened with people in the Swap Shop with a user named Ahriman085, who had scammed several people out of at around 2 grand worth of models and money, they managed to get a detective to come and look into the situation and recover the stuff.

Let's hope that the person in Germany decides to follow this incident with any legal action.

Vetric wrote:
Has anyone who has been bothered by Daniel ever actually gone to the police? He's (all allegedly) impersonated a police officer (during TSS), now a lawyer, made harassing phone calls, threats, all on top of money issues still outstanding.

If there's no real consequence to his actions, other than moving shop every few months, what's to make him stop? No disrespect intended, I know first hand what a pain "petty" claims can be to follow up on. It just ...... all feels a bit futile, despite the level of interest.

While Daniel has done many things, during the TSS incident I was able to follow up with Dallas PD and confirm that it was(granted rather unprofessional) a legitimate officer who called from his personal phone to investigate during that time.

Unless there were other calls that I'm not aware of, I don't think there is any evidence of impersonating an officer, and the allegations on impersonating a lawyer are speculation(granted made with compelling arguments).

So while we should avoid labels for allegations, we can indeed stick with facts.

I don't recall any threats from RF off the top of my head, and I"d have to go digging through emails to see if there were any during TSS. Harassment is a verified thing he has done, and fraudulent use of identities other than his own are also verified.

 d-usa wrote:
We don't know that Daniel impersonated a lawyer. For all we know somebody saw him in trouble and decided to con him into thinking that the person he hired was a "legal" film.

We have plenty of evidence that Britcons is fake and the C&D is a wash. We don't have any proof of how far Daniel is involved in that.

That's why I threw in the "alleged". Ignore the lawyer part, my concern still stands. It's a big list of stuff he looks to have done.


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Heck, even I got in on the "try and engage him on FB" stuff that it looks like half of Dakka has done. It just doesn't really get anywhere.

I may just be speaking out of frustration. Been dealing with (non-wargaming related) scamming nonsense IRL too. It all adds up

 d-usa wrote:
We don't know that Daniel impersonated a lawyer. For all we know somebody saw him in trouble and decided to con him into thinking that the person he hired was a "legal" film.

We have plenty of evidence that Britcons is fake and the C&D is a wash. We don't have any proof of how far Daniel is involved in that.

This is true with the limited informaton we have.

Remember boys and girls, if you get a C&E from Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe, you might verify that...

Just curious, seeing as I haven't seen the actual C&D in the form it was submitted to yakface, was it by chance filed through a court with an official stamp or anything along those lines?
Just spoke with my brother who is HPD, if its an official court document that he forged (ie put a state seal or official court number etc on) then its forgery of a government document..... A state jail felony in Texas.

Now thats a thing I had not considered.

guidsgjg wrote:
Just curious, seeing as I haven't seen the actual C&D in the form it was submitted to yakface, was it by chance filed through a court with an official stamp or anything along those lines?
Just spoke with my brother who is HPD, if its an official court document that he forged (ie put a state seal or official court number etc on) then its forgery of a government document..... A state jail felony in Texas.

It was emailed to Yak, who states that in the OP under the 5/13/2013 Update:

Yakface wrote:The Cease & Desist email was sent by someone pretending to be Michael Duerkop, the CEO of this fictitious company.

It's certainly a good point, but I doubt that an email would have an official court seal/stamp :-\

 Aerethan wrote:

While Daniel has done many things, during the TSS incident I was able to follow up with Dallas PD and confirm that it was(granted rather unprofessional) a legitimate officer who called from his personal phone to investigate during that time.

I was the one that went up one side of the officer and down the other before I realized he was legit. I did call the officer back and apologize. It was the least I could do.

@Alfndrate
And Roger, I'm no lawyer but under that pretense it can be explicity deduced that it is not a legal document, therefore is inadmissable as legal evidence in a court of law, and can therefore be ignored. All things that have already been stated =/, was just hoping there was a slip up we could exploit for real legal action. I'd like to be able to start some form of action, but without me personally having been frauded or taken advantage of, its hard to do anything about lol.

Vetric wrote:
Has anyone who has been bothered by Daniel ever actually gone to the police? He's (all allegedly) impersonated a police officer (during TSS), now a lawyer, made harassing phone calls, threats, all on top of money issues still outstanding.

If there's no real consequence to his actions, other than moving shop every few months, what's to make him stop? No disrespect intended, I know first hand what a pain "petty" claims can be to follow up on. It just ...... all feels a bit futile, despite the level of interest.

I agree. Mr. Mandelbaum will not stop on his own behalf. I think I recognize the underlying psychiatric reason behind his doings, an illness that is almost impossible to treat, but that I won't name here out of respect of his privacy. If I am right, it should be at least easy to uncover the system of schemes, tricks and false identities, as they won't stand any closer scrutiny (like the mercenary-lawyer-photographer mess).

 alarmingrick wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

While Daniel has done many things, during the TSS incident I was able to follow up with Dallas PD and confirm that it was(granted rather unprofessional) a legitimate officer who called from his personal phone to investigate during that time.

I was the one that went up one side of the officer and down the other before I realized he was legit. I did call the officer back and apologize. It was the least I could do.

That would be the instance I'm referring to. We were able to verify the officer and I let his sergeant know that personal cell phones really should not be used for official police business, but as I'm not a local resident, I'm sure they did not care.

 Aerethan wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

While Daniel has done many things, during the TSS incident I was able to follow up with Dallas PD and confirm that it was(granted rather unprofessional) a legitimate officer who called from his personal phone to investigate during that time.

I was the one that went up one side of the officer and down the other before I realized he was legit. I did call the officer back and apologize. It was the least I could do.

That would be the instance I'm referring to. We were able to verify the officer and I let his sergeant know that personal cell phones really should not be used for official police business, but as I'm not a local resident, I'm sure they did not care.

The only thing the officer cared about was getting the hell away from the Mandelbaum clan, he said.

 WarOne wrote:
irregardless.

Grrrr....

Now, I'm sorry for asking but who is this Mandelbaum fellow? I he the guy who (allegedly) kept making fake websites and kept ripping everyone off?

 DeffDred wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
irregardless.

Grrrr....

Now, I'm sorry for asking but who is this Mandelbaum fellow? I he the guy who (allegedly) kept making fake websites and kept ripping everyone off?

Yes. Daniel Mandelbaum is "allegedly" the person who operated as Matthew Bonder(RedStarOne), Susan Beasley(Lord.Serpius) and he is verified as the person behind Three Stage Studios, and is a verified owner behind Resin Forge.

The evidence connecting him to the alleged names is VERY damning, to the point of being irrefutable.

If I am right, it should be at least easy to uncover the system of schemes, tricks and false identities, as they won't stand any closer scrutiny (like the mercenary-lawyer-photographer mess).

In any case we can accuse (allege?) Mr Mandelbaum of a lot of things, but being a criminal mastermind is certainly none of them. Just by using the internet and rounding up some people for questioning we were able to pinpoint him, his company and a half a mile radius he's moving inside of to receive and dispatch his parcels. And that AFTER he had already been exposed before. Not a quick learner apparently or at least not somebody who knows what he is actually doing in a time where everything is tracked everywhere.

EDIT: you can also link him to "Hobby Bits". Not only allegedly.

 DeffDred wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
irregardless.

Grrrr....

Now, I'm sorry for asking but who is this Mandelbaum fellow? I he the guy who (allegedly) kept making fake websites and kept ripping everyone off?

Part of Resin Forge
Redstarone
Matt Bonder
Three Stage Studios
Conversion corner

Kinda jumping in late to be asking a question like that, no offense.
I'd suggest start reading from page one if you have any more questions.

 DeffDred wrote:
Now, I'm sorry for asking but who is this Mandelbaum fellow? I he the guy who (allegedly) kept making fake websites and kept ripping everyone off?

First post:

 yakface wrote:
Naturally anyone interested in Mr. Mandelbaum and any of his alleged aliases (such as Matthew Bonder, RedStarOne, Lord.Serpius, Kellz1234, Susan Beasley) or his alleged involvement with a number of now defunct sites/businesses while using those aliases (such as Conversion Corner, Miniature Wargame Conversions, Three Stage Studios, Lord.Serpius ebay account, Great.Hobby.Bits ebay account, Double.Your.Bits ebay account) should feel free to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

 DeffDred wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
irregardless.

Grrrr....

Now, I'm sorry for asking but who is this Mandelbaum fellow? I he the guy who (allegedly) kept making fake websites and kept ripping everyone off?

Daniel Mandelbaum is a man that has gone by various alias over the past (at least 4 years) where he has allegedly taken people's money for services and then failed to provide services. For a while he went by the name RedStarOne (RSO)/Matthew Bonder. He would always follow the same pattern of business. He would start up for a few months and provide decent service and product (see his True Scale Terminators as part of his Three Stage Studios debacle). And then after he had built up credibility with his store, he would take on several orders and then fail to provide those people with product. He would quote ailing health of a family member (sometimes a wife, sometimes a child, sometimes both). Eventually as people were starting to figure out the chances of them getting their money or their product were slim to none, RSO would disappear into thin air and come back under a different name a few months later and repeat the process. During his last gig of Three Stage Studios, Matthew Bonder was revealed to be a man named Daniel Mandelbaum, and Resin Forge is his new gig.

well I found him on www.pipl.com, and verified his address through the Dallas County Appraisal website, it isn't that hard if you are really looking for someone... I don't know anyone in the DFW gaming community that knows him or his aliases though.

 warhamster77 wrote:
.. I don't know anyone in the DFW gaming community that knows him or his aliases though.

Not doubting you at all, but that really surprises me. I know it's a very large area, but maybe he doesn't "crap where he sleeps" so to speak?

Not that I am advocating ANY kind of confrontation with this person, this is Texas, and most Texans are armed...

3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.
The owner would have received either a letter or email about it with some info and conclusion.


Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?

That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.


Im pretty sure this will be my last post as it very clear Major Tom thinks im here to incite anger.

If you have such "evidence" share show me he is a crook. Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.

Names in under clothes ID can be used for preliminary id.

@alarmingrick, I've been part of this community for the last 3.5 years, and have met most of the gamers, some of them have become close friends, others have not. Of all of them, I haven't met or heard of this person(s) until this whole mess.

 warhamster77 wrote:
@alarmingrick, I've been part of this community for the last 3.5 years, and have met most of the gamers, some of them have become close friends, others have not. Of all of them, I haven't met or heard of this person(s) until this whole mess.

Don't take it wrong, I seriously don't doubt you.

Oh I wasn't I was just stating a fact. But it is disheartening that the gamer community has been taken advantage of in this way. I know I treat my own business VERY differently than this person does his, and if nothing else, it is educational on what not to do to my own customers. And as glasses said, I am surprised no one has taken this up with the USPS, I know from having worked at UPS mail fraud , and messing with mail will land you solidly in jail.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 warhamster77 wrote:
@alarmingrick, I've been part of this community for the last 3.5 years, and have met most of the gamers, some of them have become close friends, others have not. Of all of them, I haven't met or heard of this person(s) until this whole mess.

Don't take it wrong, I seriously don't doubt you.

Mayhaps this individual is not a gamer. Maybe he's not even human...
Would you like to play a game?

glasses wrote:
3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.
The owner would have received either a letter or email about it with some info and conclusion.
Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?
That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.
Im pretty sure this will be my last post as it very clear Major Tom thinks im here to incite anger.
If you have such "evidence" share show me he is a crook. Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.
Names in under clothes ID can be used for preliminary id.

My question to you is this.

Why have several people, on this site and elsewhere, all, over the course of years, falsely (if we are to humor your disbelief for a moment) conspiring to call Daniel Mandelbaum a crook?

What is in it for all these people to go to the effort of linking cases, citing experiences and warning people?

You have repeatedly appeared in this thread to dismiss the whole thing due to a lack of evidence but my question to you is simply why? Why bother to go to these lengths unless there was reason?

@Frazzled, honestly that is something I had not considered. Especially after seeing the models on the RF page that he converted.

My question to you is this.

Why have several people, on this site and elsewhere, all, over the course of years, falsely (if we are to humor your disbelief for a moment) conspiring to call Daniel Mandelbaum a crook?

What is in it for all these people to go to the effort of linking cases, citing experiences and warning people?

You have repeatedly appeared in this thread to dismiss the whole thing due to a lack of evidence but my question to you is simply why? Why bother to go to these lengths unless there was reason?

Don't feed the troll. He just tries to get his well documented posts deleted and himself to be banned so that he can proudly present himself as the victim on his Facebook page. That's what he is trying to do since the beginning: his mantra was: see, dakka deletes and hates on everybody who speaks up for Resin Forge. That is exactly what he is trying to achieve now again. Just let him talk or write till his fingers are bloody (no threat here) and don't answer him. Apparently there's nothing else anymore he can fill his newsfeed feed otherwise.

Could be a former player or "hobbyist." Could be an Engineer, killing time while deciding whether to drop some black goo on us and turn us all into facehuggers. Who can tell.

 warhamster77 wrote:
@Frazzled, honestly that is something I had not considered. Especially after seeing the models on the RF page that he converted.

It IS a thought though. Yes he seems to be a talented converter, but even though we often assume otherwise "modeler" and "gamer" aren't always synonymous. If he hasn't been seen around your gaming community for X amount of years, could make sense that he doesn't actually play.

Alternatively he just plays from home, either are likely.

That is something I have come to realize, especially in this area. Many individuals in my own circle are talented modellers, but do not participate in the gaming aspect, and vice versa. And with the internet cart, he would never have to step foot in a FLGS.

Agree with doc, just because he isn't an active member of the gaming community in your area doesn't necessitate that he is not in fact a gamer. I'm a fairly avid fantasy/40k player, own 4 armies between the two systems in the thousands of points (2 armies each system), and I can reliably say that no one in the houston, or the fort hood gaming community has seen or heard of me, because I only play with a select group of family and friends. Could be a similar situation with this individual, or he could not be a gamer at all, but this is getting OT, so I will stop here.

Indeed, I model and game but would not be known to my local gaming community.

Update #2:

I want to reiterate again that there is no concrete proof one way or another as to who it was that claimed to be Michael Duerkop and emailed the C&D letter.

I can confirm that the 'real' Michael Duerkop did receive a paypal payment from Resin Forge, however at the time that payment was sent whomever was pretending to be Michael Duerkop (and had the Britcons.com website up and running) also had access to that paypal account.

It could have been someone from Dakka, it could have been someone from Resin Forge (just sending themselves payment to themselves through his account), or it could have even been the 'real' Michael Duerkop who did it and is just now claiming to have had his accounts hacked.

So again, there is no proof as to who had control of the real Michael Duerkop's accounts and sent out the C&D letter. Or in other words, the ONLY person I can verify that did not send that C&D letter and pretended to be Michael Duerkop is myself (and even that you'll have to just take my word on).

So again, I'd ask everyone to please refrain from assuming that you know who it was that pretended to be the CEO of Britcons.com and sent that C&D letter. Could it have been someone from Resin Forge? It is possible, but it is also possible that someone else pretended to be Michael Duerkop to them and then claimed he could provide them with legal services.

The most important thing is: I DON'T CARE. I complied with the Cease & Desist letter (whoever it may have been sent by) and have no further interest in trying to figure out who allegedly hacked the real Michael Duerkop's online accounts and sent the C&D email.


Also, I am going to start deleting off-topic posts from this thread. People just don't seem to understand that if you don't actually have something on-topic to add, you should not be posting!

Please refrain from posting in this thread unless you have something on-topic to add. Thank you.

Oddly enough I do not need any proof of the guy's innocence or not.

Just with the inflammatory way he conducts himself in his own writing is enough to give his business a pass.

As "glasses" has pointed out do not believe everything on the internet and his motivations are in question and the writing style seems similar to someone...

"The name in underwear" comment is just a shock tactic to derail any mature discussion. To try to support an individual in their business, comments like that do not help the cause.

It makes me happy when people get rude: it gives me permission to ignore them and not take them seriously.

guidsgjg wrote:@Alfndrate
And Roger, I'm no lawyer but under that pretense it can be explicity deduced that it is not a legal document, therefore is inadmissable as legal evidence in a court of law, and can therefore be ignored. All things that have already been stated =/, was just hoping there was a slip up we could exploit for real legal action. I'd like to be able to start some form of action, but without me personally having been frauded or taken advantage of, its hard to do anything about lol.

This is not true. Anyone can write a C&D letter. It does not have to come from a lawyer or court. It definitely could be used as evidence to show that you were warned to stop and of the consequences. Of course, your odds of it being treated by the court as worth more than a used sheet of toilet paper increase HUGELY if you have it send via registered email, rather than email.
ANY C&D letter can be ignored, for the record. Just because they send it doesn't mean you have to cater to their demands.

warhamster77 wrote:Not that I am advocating ANY kind of confrontation with this person, this is Texas, and most Texans are armed...

Please, don't start that. We don't want to risk Mandelbonder saying "Dakka is saying I'm running around carrying guns!"

glasses wrote:3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.
The owner would have received either a letter or email about it with some info and conclusion.


Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?

That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.


Im pretty sure this will be my last post as it very clear Major Tom thinks im here to incite anger.

If you have such "evidence" share show me he is a crook. Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.

Names in under clothes ID can be used for preliminary id.

Re: Bold text
Daniel and I had a long stretched out incident where I needed to send him something, but he wouldn't confirm the shipping address. Eventually, he told me to not bother sending it. I still have the email on it. Other than that, I've had no sale/trade incident with him. I was simply playing Devil's advocate.
So:

]3rd party supporting documents of fraud could include a reversal of charge on a credit card, a PayPal dispute resolution email/notice or a money order thingy or what ever they use.

If someone shows an email they received indicating that PayPal sided with them in a dispute, that would sway you to believe that he's a scammer?
(Note, Mods, I am not calling him one, I'm asking if that would make "glasses" think he was one)

Or since the USPS handles mail fraud and the like did anybody file a complaint there?

That is usefull as Ive not seen the USPS listed as a place to go for mail fraud.

As someone who's filled out and been familiar with many people who have filled out Mail Fraud forms, I can tell you that they almost never come to anything in instances like this. That said, are you asking if Mail Fraud documents having been filled out would confirm that Daniel is a scammer? I ask because I asked what proof you would need to believe that, and you responded with that question. I'm hoping that someone simply filling out those forms would make you believe he was a scammer. ANYONE can fill those out on ANYONE. I could fill 'em out on my own dad.

Show me a simple document that you tried to get your money back.

(Coming back to this, since I've explained now that I'm not asking for ME, but for those who claim to have actually BEEN scammed)
So, just the attempt to get money back is good enough? What if someone can provide a history of emails asking for their money/goods and Daniel
s response that the money/goods are on the way, when those goods never arrived? or, do they need to be some sort of legal form?


Eric

I apologize for getting off on a tangent. I would ask to keep this thread open, as it is educational to those of us who do business out of our home on the do's and don'ts of small business. And I am certain that many feel this way.

I applaud Warhamsters note on both the tangent and the keeping of this post as open. I too would like to see it stay open - if for nothing less than education our fellow hobbyists (both novice and veteran).

Or else it really does seem like the (new) Battlestar Galactica line: "This has all happened before...and it will all happen again."

And six months from now another set of (Insert new name here) (insert name of new company) New "alleged" scam/questionable business practices/possible bad guy (Insert here - another name).

^You mean *alleged* scam. Don't want to get into trouble here, rhetoric is a dangerous thing when misused

*shifty*

Now there is a chance to change his company name etc and start all over. This is a vicious cycle that is not going to end. Whomever it is apparently watches this website so you guys are just going around and around with them. Once it gets to this point its best to prob move on since all the cats have been let out of the bag and C/D's are being tossed around. Wait for the new company to emerge if and when it does.

just my 2 cents.

I'd wager it's already being formed and is just waiting to start up.

Kal-El wrote:
Now there is a chance to change his company name etc and start all over. This is a vicious cycle that is not going to end.

... Until someone actually takes the initiative to speak to the proper authorities and lets them deal with it (assuming even the proper authorities bother to as it's not guaranteed) instead of dealing with their own little bit and then saying "I don't care".

Ya know, I've been keeping up with this thread and read the entire other thread(before its removal). Lots of legal stuff has been thrown around for various reasons. All I've heard so far is a TON of barking, but zero biting. Its clear this guy that you all are accusing(whom I am not associated with in any way, shape, or form) has committed several crimes, why is NOBODY doing anything about it, at all? If this "ResinForge" store is operating as a company, making profit, but not registered as a company and thus not paying taxes as one, why has nobody contact the BBB or any of the other various government agencies that deal with this kind of stuff? Some of the posters here have moaned and groaned enough on this thread, I'm surprised it hasn't happened. You don't have to have been supposedly ripped off by this clown to do anything about it. Maybe some of you have, if so, that's awesome.

Yak, maybe I'm just an idiot infantryman, but who cares if he tries to sue you for BS? There is enough evidence from what I can tell that you could represent yourself, and the only lawyer that could get him out of this is Johnny Cochran(who would promptly use the Wookie Defense for you Southpark fans). I SEVERELY doubt he will actually follow through with a lawsuit(especially for a company that doesn't actually exist), since he has zero leg to stand on. By doing so he is shooting himself in the foot. If customers are owed money by him, and he turns around and sues you over something like this, his customers will flip. He can't pay them money he owes them, but hes got the funds for a lawyer? That wouldn't fly with me if you owed me 500 bucks. If he was legit, he shouldn't care what other people say, and would keep trucking along. GW does it, and look how much crap we(The community as a whole) talk about them? In addition to that, there is enough Dakka support that has said "this person will help you with legal issues pro-Bono". I understand you wanna keep the idiot statements of violence off the board, but I wouldn't be so concerned with treading lightly around someone who is labeled as a scumbag by the community when someone says something bad about him. It's like a drug dealer complaining to the cops he got jacked by one of his customers(at least that is how I equate the situation). Maybe there is a ton more behind the scenes I'm not aware of.

I could be wrong, and there is a decent chance that I am, I'm just giving my opinion about the whole situation.

And for those of you who keep making references to guns/armed people, please, just stop. Seriously. Very few members of this board have actually participated in violent actions against someone(regardless of why) or have pointed a firearm at another human being with the intention to destroy them. Stop inciting activities that you aren't willing to do yourself, most importantly, don't post about someone committing a severe crime against someone over something so dumb.

Edited: Minor spelling errors.

 Firehead158 wrote:
*snip*

Mostly it's down to it's not our place to do anything about him, it's the victims, and regardless of who is at the help ResinForge havn't actually started doing anything underhand with customers yet (and not that i'm saying they are likely to). The sole intent of these threads was simply to inform people the Danial is affiliated with Resinforge, and to show his previous history so that people can make an informed choice on buying from them, not for some great call to justice. Or at the most at least, to form a collective center of information for those potential future victims who DO wish to press charges. No more no less.

Everyone that keeps "barking" for action:
It's been tried. Through the USPS and his local DA. All they said was it didn't "qualify" for them to lift a damn finger.
Even when we collectively approached them it wasn't enough.
Trust me friends, LOTS of action has been taken. And the total of said action is us having to keep our eyes open,
and wait until he pops up and say "look, there he is again".

For the authorities, "toy soldiers" isn't serious business.

One of the useful functions of tracking these incidents and issues, is that if any verifiable criminal activity happens, that data and the past history can be presented to the proper authorities.

 MagickalMemories wrote:

guidsgjg wrote:@Alfndrate
And Roger, I'm no lawyer but under that pretense it can be explicity deduced that it is not a legal document, therefore is inadmissable as legal evidence in a court of law, and can therefore be ignored. All things that have already been stated =/, was just hoping there was a slip up we could exploit for real legal action. I'd like to be able to start some form of action, but without me personally having been frauded or taken advantage of, its hard to do anything about lol.

This is not true. Anyone can write a C&D letter. It does not have to come from a lawyer or court. It definitely could be used as evidence to show that you were warned to stop and of the consequences. Of course, your odds of it being treated by the court as worth more than a used sheet of toilet paper increase HUGELY if you have it send via registered email, rather than email.
ANY C&D letter can be ignored, for the record. Just because they send it doesn't mean you have to cater to their demands.

I can atest to this. I have personally sent C&D letter to a few people. Mostly for behavioral reasons, and bullying, I actually sent a Cease and Desist to someone that was bullying me, I typed it up left it on his locker and left my cell Phone number along with one of my friends who is a lawyer. Describing the situation and to cease communication with me period. Joyous to the world of law.

I have studied law and I have found loop holes in the arguments. We may not use defamatory remarks, but we can say, he is a jelly belly daemon from the pits of hell. Which he cannot claim to be defamation because I truely believe is a daemon invoked from the jelly bean factory. Thats not defamation.... Thats called cleverness. If he believes that his business is hurt because I claimed he is a Jelly bean daemon. Well then you will have trouble convincing me I am wrong.

I mean he could, but the judge will literally look at the plantiff and dismiss the case before it even reaches the court room.

You can ignore C&D letters but it is best not to. you can ignore the one currently imposed on yourself for example, but the consequences you will have to live with.

For me, these threads have served a purpose and I have heeded their warnings to be cautious, to which I have.

Those who have contributed relevant info about this situation are doing that which is within their power and have not been doing nothing. Sometimes just sharing stories is more powerful then anything else that can be done.

EDIT: clarification of my meaning.

So was there ever a 'real' C&D letter or just the Email one? I ask because I have seen a few and I have never heard of an Email C&D. I ask this because lawyers love paper trails. Most C&D letters are sent to a person so they can confirm the person or persons received it. I also think it is odd that a German law office sent the letter.
Most companies that have offices/holdings in multiple countries have legal teams based in all countries with said holdings, and they refer to the country where the main part of the company is run from, and also note the in country legal office(most of the time). Anyone out there with more legal knowledge then I can correct me if i am wrong.

Just the email.

It is disappointing that this same (presumably) person keeps managing to turn up to hurt people. Especially given that he is an apparently talented sculptor...

 purplefood wrote:
It is disappointing that this same (presumably) person keeps managing to turn up to hurt people. Especially given that he is an apparently talented sculptor...

Perfect scenario would be:

Daniel Mandelbaum becomes purely a worker, no management decisions, no handling orders, no PR work, no customer interactions at all.
Somebody else manages him, regulates his workflow, accepts orders based on his workflow, sends out orders, and keeps Daniel away from any sort of business decisions and customer interactions.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. That would be a perfect scenario, AFTER he is held accountable for the people he has left high and dry either by his own volition or via a court of law.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. That would be a perfect scenario, AFTER he is held accountable for the people he has left high and dry either by his own volition or via a court of law.

I meant to write that as well .

A manager should hopefully be able to separate a percentage of the profits to compensate people who can demonstrate a valid claim.

Of course this is all wishful thinking...

This all assumes 2 things:

1. That Resin Forge has anyone else actually associated with it(which remains unproven).

2. That Resin Forge operates on enough profit to pay an employee instead of being a solo operation.

I really doubt that some upstart that is 6 months old has the revenue and profit stream to pay an employee, and somehow generate profit to owners/managers. This isn't wholesale bits like other companies. All of these kits are bought at MSRP and then parted out, but I really doubt that process generates 35-45% profit as most retail does.

It is this fact that leads people to assume recasting, as that is the only viable way to make any profit when there is no wholesale price to be had. I'm not saying they recast, but I am saying that it would be the only way to generate sustainable profit.

Then there is this idea that 5 models at anything less than $300 each is a worthy investment to send 2 people all the way to England. No one flies to the UK on business just to turn a 2% profit on an $80 model.

I'm not saying that this is what is happening here, not even remotely.

Just playing the "in a perfect world" game.

In a perfect world German photographers don't turn into sneaky multinational commandos sending C&Ds to nerds on a forum.

Do we actually know who these five supposed people are? Or could it just be that Daniel will stay at home and write a few testimonials on his site saying 'cheers for the mini'?

I would like to add that assuming for a second that RF was indeed scammed by Britcons that I find it soooooo hilarious how somebody as proficient in allegedly scamming people could be so erm, naive, to pay 103 bucks for an obviously fake C&D letter from a company which didn't even have a homepage or any google results at the time of sending the letter (mind: their homepage that quickly disappeared again was just online for a couple of hours, at least the version with the stolen content text.). So if assuming he was conned by fake lawyers that just would show that he has zero business sense which could actually account for some of his troubles

Do we actually know who these five supposed people are? Or could it just be that Daniel will stay at home and write a few testimonials on his site saying 'cheers for the mini'?

Not all, but some. In how far they are fakes, we will see when it happens. Anyway it's not only people who bought Fulgrim, there were also people who ordered other stuff.

In what way was Resin Forge "scammed" by Britcons?

Resin Forge paid Britcons to send a C&D. It was sent.
Britcons did some follow-up communication with YakFace.
The thread was taken down.

Job done.

I fail to see how this amounts to Resin Forge being scammed -- they got exactly what they paid for.

Don't know how it is in the USA but in the UK unless his other ventures were a LTD company, then he Daniel is personally liable for any losses. If Resin Forge is the equivalent of a Limited Liability Company then it would not be liable for any of the debts of one of the directors and or shareholders. If this is the case and they weren't LTD then hit him with small claims court or equivalent. If they were then all you can do about it is spread the word as you've done in this thread and maybe stick a link to the threads in your sigs.

I for one had never heard of him until this sorry scenario, having said that from what I've read even if RF were legitimate I wouldn't buy from them just because of this Daniel guy. I'm not one for throwing my money at dodgy businesses and even if RF aren't dodgy there is certainly enough muck being thrown about to put me off. I even warned off 3 people from my gaming group who were going to place orders. Again with no proof that RF are anything but legitimate just the involvement of Daniel they could do without the hassle.

Thank you Dakka for looking out for the community and I will remember to check these pages out every time I consider buying from anywhere but GW/FW.

In what way was Resin Forge "scammed" by Britcons?

Resin Forge paid Britcons to send a C&D. It was sent.
Britcons did some follow-up communication with YakFace.
The thread was taken down.

Job done.

I fail to see how this amounts to Resin Forge being scammed -- they got exactly what they paid for.

You are right as the letter says nothing about being a lawyer comapny. Nor did the homepage. Everybody can call themselves consultants without lying

Have any of these scammed people tried small claims court? You can sue for anything there, will get your money back, and if enough cases pop up the legal system will take notice. Not to mention that if there is a sufficient volume of you, you can keep him occupied for weeks.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
In what way was Resin Forge "scammed" by Britcons?

Resin Forge paid Britcons to send a C&D. It was sent.
Britcons did some follow-up communication with YakFace.
The thread was taken down.

Job done.

I fail to see how this amounts to Resin Forge being scammed -- they got exactly what they paid for.

Only that Britcons wasn't involved, but someone hijacked website and allegedly paypal account from a German photographer.

I still don't see that as a scam on Resin Forge. They contacted Britcons and contracted for a service. It was delivered, and Resin Forge paid. Presumably they were satisfied with the service provided.

Only that Britcons wasn't involved, but someone hijacked website and allegedly paypal account from a German photographer.

As yakface said: possibly. Or possibly not. In any case DM paid (according to him) for a C&D letter by a company without credentials, and that's what he got.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I still don't see that as a scam on Resin Forge. They contacted Britcons and contracted for a service. It was delivered, and Resin Forge paid. Presumably they were satisfied with the service provided.

Do we know they approached Britcons? yakface has the right of it, we really don't know. Someone might have seen what was going on, and decided to pull a switcharoo on Resin Forge.

A switcharoo in which they say they will do a C&D to Resin Forge's request, for $100, then they do it, and they get paid because it worked?

I'm just not getting how this would be a scam.

You offer a service, you do it. The customer is satisfied and pays you.

Wait so is there proof that they paid them and what not? I wasn't aware that had happened beyond rambly-poor-grammar posts on the facebook page

Why would the scammer do the job if not paid?

It's normally the other way around.

Oh I meant that it may not have been a scammer. Got it, I get your point now

Wait so is there proof that they paid them and what not?

There seems to be a paypal transaction file about a payment from "Kim Hernandez" to Britcons if I understood correctly. Which of course is super convincing as at least me personally have doubts about the existence of KH (for many previously mentioned reasons) and because whoever "hacked" Mr Duerkopp's page also hacked his paypal account.

By the way: does anybody know what kind of photography page that was supposed to be originally?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:


By the way: does anybody know what kind of photography page that was supposed to be originally?

By the magic of the wayback machine : http://web.archive.org/web/20120728131155/http://britcons.com/

*edit : just using google translate, looks like it was a security company last year. I can't find a britcons.com that was a photography page.

Most interesting reading. A blow-by-blow simplification just to have something to do between head scratching and face-palming:

1. A suspected shady person is using various accounts to perform alleged frauds by selling/trading miniature gaming related goods.
2. Gaming community members are increasingly angry at this behavior and a thread in DakkaDakka forums is put up to identify the person and possibly link him to his many aliases - especially to one new outfit ResinForge which thus far appears to has a solid reputation.
3. Thread gains success and community members add dots to other dots to form a big picture.
4. The connected dots paint the silhouette of one Daniel Mandelbaum whose persona is linked to several unsavory business transactions done under a multitude of aliases, but his involvement in ResinForge remains unclear.
5. The thread contains information that DM is thinking is incorrect, defaming his persona and diminishing the reputation of his current endeavor ResinForge.
6. DM hires a German-based mercenary/law firm BritCons to issue a Cease&Desist -letter to the owner of DakkaDakka in order to get the thread disappear.
7. DakkaDakka owner receives the C&D letter by email from the German -based outfit on behalf of Daniel Mandelbaum, who in that letter is attributed as one of the owners of ResinForge.
8. DakkaDakka obeys the C&D letter but decide to publish the letter and thus provides adequate evidence that the Mandelbaum character is indeed not only working for the ResinForge, but one of it's owners - thus rendering the deleted thread moot.
9. The published C&D letter is quickly questioned on it's legality and the BritCons mercenary/law -firm's hastily gobbled-up web site is up for hours only and then disappears.
10. Community actives debunk the existence of the BritCons - it's address would place it in Germany, but the address provided is not registered to this company and in fact the company does not exist according to Germany's official records. A similarly named company is found from the UK, but it's field of operation does not match the one supposedly based on Germany.
11. It then becomes apparent that the signer of the C&D (claiming to be the CEO of the BritCons) is unaware of his name being used in this context and in fact claims to be in an entirely different line of work and that he has recently been the victim of an identity theft and that he indeed owned the web-site www.britcons.com, but has deactivated it ages ago and has no knowledge of it's recent short-lived reactivation.
12. ResinForge is approached by the strange circumstances surrounding the mysterious mercenary/law -firm and they indeed confirm that ResinForge hired the firm to send the C&D letter on their behalf.
13. ResinForge blames another website of activities that somehow resulted in the mercenary/law -firm to lose all it's presence in the internet.
14. DakkaDakka owner confirms that a PayPal transaction between ResinForge and BritCons has indeed taken place - of a small sum presumably being the cost of drafting the C&D letter.
15. ResinForge is pinpointed to a certain location in Texas,USA but thus far no records have been found to prove that the company exists as an official entity.


That's about it thus far, right?
...

I wonder who owns the movie rights! I'd pay 10 bucks to see it.

@xaarex

Careful, you may give DM an idea for a movie kickstarter.

Rorschach9 wrote:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:


By the way: does anybody know what kind of photography page that was supposed to be originally?

By the magic of the wayback machine : http://web.archive.org/web/20120728131155/http://britcons.com/

*edit : just using google translate, looks like it was a security company last year. I can't find a britcons.com that was a photography page.

You've got to do a little digging with google and whois registry searches using the personal info that was used to register that site (and other sites registered under that name) to find the guy's flickr and facebook accounts where he talks about being a photographer.

I edited out the identifying info that was dug up from my posts in the thread, since it was linked to a guy who claimed not to know anything about what was going on.


As Yakface said in his update it is entirely possible that this guy did send the C&D and is just bailing out. Or he could be the victim of someone grabbing his expired domains and using his name.

czakk wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:


By the way: does anybody know what kind of photography page that was supposed to be originally?

By the magic of the wayback machine : http://web.archive.org/web/20120728131155/http://britcons.com/

*edit : just using google translate, looks like it was a security company last year. I can't find a britcons.com that was a photography page.

You've got to do a little digging with google and whois registry searches using the personal info that was used to register that site (and other sites registered under that name) to find the guy's flickr and facebook accounts where he talks about being a photographer.

I edited out the identifying info that was dug up from my posts in the thread, since it was linked to a guy who claimed not to know anything about what was going on.


As Yakface said in his update it is entirely possible that this guy did send the C&D and is just bailing out. Or he could be the victim of someone grabbing his expired domains and using his name.

True. That wayback machine link is the ONLY hit they have for that domain name and it's from June 28th 2012 (perhaps July, I don't remember now). It could go either way and none of us will know without anything more done. Unfortunately, as Yak has said he doesn't care that's the end of that particular tangent of the discussion.

I think any domain hacking that might have occurred will be followed up by the German photographer who originally owned Britcons.

@xaarex: the timeline of the last events is not in the right order, but more or less (plus some not that important details) it's correct.

I am surprised that you gave the C&D letter ANY credibility at all Jon. Or, for that matter, acceded to any of the statements requesting you to change what is displayed on your website,.

Now - let's look at the Demographic of the average Dakkanought....

1. Spends $$$'s and time painting minatures, or other Gaming related Hobbies.

2.Spends incredible amounts of time looking/posting things on the WWW.

3.Usually have a fairly clear idea of what is right/wrong.

LET THE GUY SUE YOU . If that is even a realistic threat. I am sure a great deal of us would chip in , and then laugh as the counter claims built....

akira, the point Jon made earlier was that he just doesn't want the bother.

Regardless of how a legal battle would have turned out, our even if it would have happened at all, there was no need to even contemplate going to that amount of hassle when the simple act of sending the c&d letter confirmed the identity of the guy behind resin forge far better than the previous thread did anyway.

Sure, removing that thread probably wasn't necessary. But neither was that thread any longer necessary, so nothing was lost by removing it.

Good point. Fair enough

Yeah, it basically boils down to Yakface not wanting to potentially waste his time in court (however tiny that change may be) in order to make a point that the letter already made anyway.

Can't say that I blame him there.

Though isn't the whole not wanting to waste time in court the reason why this guy gets to keep coming back and doing these things? Because no one ever actually holds him accountable?

Draging Yakface to court won't do anything to hold him accountable either though.

 AduroT wrote:
Though isn't the whole not wanting to waste time in court the reason why this guy gets to keep coming back and doing these things? Because no one ever actually holds him accountable?

It's not up to Dakka to hold him accountable. We're not the internet police. The sole objective of these threads was to make people aware of what was going on.

Update: I'm currently in contact with Resin Forge as they work to pay off Daniel Mandelbaum's outstanding debt to me and they expect to have this accomplished by 5/24/13.

Wonder what made them change their mind.

But good on you Alph getting your money sorted back finally!

Excellent news Alph!

Maybe he has some legit business partners (that for some reason don't want to come forward).

Maybe he realizes that since we know his real name and location, it became a lot harder to hide.

Maybe there has been some sort of life changing event.

Maybe the 24th will come and everything will be the same.

Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.

doc1234 wrote:Wonder what made them change their mind.

But good on you Alph getting your money sorted back finally!

Medium of Death wrote:Excellent news Alph!

Well, we're not quite there yet, but hopefully we will be in a little over a week.

 Alpharius wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Wonder what made them change their mind.

But good on you Alph getting your money sorted back finally!

Medium of Death wrote:Excellent news Alph!

Well, we're not quite there yet, but hopefully we will be in a little over a week.

If this turns into the same thing as the RSO thread, with you getting strung along again...it'll be quite depressing (not least for you).

I hope it'll work out, I really do.

 AduroT wrote:
Though isn't the whole not wanting to waste time in court the reason why this guy gets to keep coming back and doing these things? Because no one ever actually holds him accountable?

Well, if you're going to waste an incredible amount of time and money in court, then at least it should be a battle worth fighting.

In this particular case, I really have nothing to gain at all.

Best case scenario is really that I win the case, the original thread gets to stay up and maybe the Plaintiffs have to pay for my legal fees.

Worst case scenario is that I get slapped with a giant $ penalty for defamation and perhaps even have to shut down Dakka.

Why would I even consider that when the C&D sent proves the whole point of the original thread in the first place (that Daniel Mandelbaum is an owner of Resin Forge)?

Trying to prove that Resin Forge was somehow involved with the Britcons.com hacking is never going to happen as there isn't any definitive proof that can be found (certainly not by me).

So this is not the fight that needs to happen. If someone feels they were ripped off then they need to be the ones to step up (if they want) and try to get justice. There is nothing for me to get justice about...only the chance for me to lose things.

 Alpharius wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Wonder what made them change their mind.

But good on you Alph getting your money sorted back finally!

Medium of Death wrote:Excellent news Alph!

Well, we're not quite there yet, but hopefully we will be in a little over a week.

Did you get in touch with them via phone or email.

If it was phone... do you know if it was Mandelbonder you spoke with? I know you dealt with him in the apst, but I didn't know if you ever spoke to him via the telephone.


Eric

 Alpharius wrote:
Update: I'm currently in contact with Resin Forge as they work to pay off Daniel Mandelbaum's outstanding debt to me and they expect to have this accomplished by 5/24/13.

I hope this gets sorted out for you

That's great news Alpharius, I hope you receive the money you are owed, but I have to wonder if other people owed money are also being payed back.

 Alpharius wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Wonder what made them change their mind.

But good on you Alph getting your money sorted back finally!

Medium of Death wrote:Excellent news Alph!

Well, we're not quite there yet, but hopefully we will be in a little over a week.

Here's to hoping for the best outcome possible!
Call me a skeptic, but I'll believe it when I see you type that you have been successful. Dealing with Mandelbaum inc. will do that to you.

Fingers crossed for you Alph

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Fingers crossed for you Alph

Alph - guess they're going to pay you once they've cleared the HH weekender sales....

I honestly wish you the best with this.

Just to confirm - the photos on RF's Facebook page ARE NOT HIS.

They are a Warseer Member's who isnt afilliated to RF in any way.

Also - nobody by the name of Mandelbraum / Bonder is booked in... (of course he could be using an alias).

So that kind answers the question of whether Mandelbonder's tehre or not doesnt it?

So is he trying to pass the pictures off as his without going to the weekender?

All I can say for certain is this:
The photos on his FB page are from various sources - Loken and Binky being two from Warseer.
Nobody by the names of Daniel Mandelbraum or Daniel / David Bonder are booked into the weekender.
Nobody claiming to be affiliated with RF are there.
A couple of attendees have offered to sell him THEIR Fulgrims.

hmmm.... shocking...

Oh, it seems I touched a nerve:
**Obvious Troll States Obvious!!** ** FOR A SECOND TIME TO MR. 'ART'**

*We are gathering the best pics and note as the event is happening here at the HQ. Where we can, we make note on where the info came from. Where the info is freekly spread across the web, we can not. Anything we post that is ours will have the RF ink stamp in the corner*

So there you go, that's me told.

Though I do notice that NOT ONE picture so far has this 'RF ink stamp' on it!

Art Steventon wrote:
All I can say for certain is this:
The photos on his FB page are from various sources - Loken and Binky being two from Warseer.
Nobody by the names of Daniel Mandelbraum or Daniel / David Bonder are booked into the weekender.
Nobody claiming to be affiliated with RF are there.
A couple of attendees have offered to sell him THEIR Fulgrims.

Definitely a good time to pull a U turn with very expensive models. Definitely. Nobody will notice.

Ok. I could be doing him a disservice.

So here we go:

I'm meeting a bunch of people in the bar later (after Dr Who) as I only live down the road from Nottingham (27 minutes in the car).

I'll be wearing an Art Is Resistance NiN shirt, and Oakland Raiders cap.

Come find me - prove me wrong, so the world that everyone has picked on poor little Mandelbonder.

I'll even apologise for doubting you!

So is he trying to pass the pictures off as his without going to the weekender?

No. Monitored that. While not explicitly saying whose pictures and texts he used, he did not explicitly say they were his or his "team"'s.

Ok. I could be doing him a disservice.

So here we go:

I'm meeting a bunch of people in the bar later (after Dr Who) as I only live down the road from Nottingham (27 minutes in the car).

I'll be wearing an Art Is Resistance NiN shirt, and Oakland Raiders cap.

Come find me - prove me wrong, so the world that everyone has picked on poor little Mandelbonder.

I'll even apologise for doubting you!

Prove what?

Art Steventon wrote:

I'll be wearing an Art Is Resistance NiN shirt, and Oakland Raiders cap.

Firstly well done on the NIN shirt.

Secondly, Chris 'I play Cryx' Kluwe just signed to the Raiders.

Thirdly, if there is a meeting, we'd really appreciate some pictures.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

So is he trying to pass the pictures off as his without going to the weekender?

No. Monitored that. While not explicitly saying whose pictures and texts he used, he did not explicitly say they were his or his "team"'s.

Ok. I could be doing him a disservice.

So here we go:

I'm meeting a bunch of people in the bar later (after Dr Who) as I only live down the road from Nottingham (27 minutes in the car).

I'll be wearing an Art Is Resistance NiN shirt, and Oakland Raiders cap.

Come find me - prove me wrong, so the world that everyone has picked on poor little Mandelbonder.

I'll even apologise for doubting you!

Prove what?

I think he means to prove that RSO is actually there.

I think he means to prove that RSO is actually there.

DM said before that his partners would go, not him. So you'd have to meet the other two whose names are in the C&D

If you don't want your photos being used by him I suggest getting Google to pull them. See how he likes a bit of legal coming his way for a change.

If you don't want your photos being used by him I suggest getting Google to pull them. See how he likes a bit of legal coming his way for a change.

Could also just issue a public statement by the person who took the photo objecting to their use by certain people. All possible

A) they're not my photos
B) whomever is there from RF - prove me wrong that ANYONE from RF (KIm or whatever their name is) is there and ill buy em a pint!

Art Steventon wrote:
A) they're not my photos
B) whomever is there from RF - prove me wrong that ANYONE from RF (KIm or whatever their name is) is there and ill buy em a pint!

dude they actually show and prove who they are i'll post you the money for that pint

Art Steventon wrote:
Ok. I could be doing him a disservice.

So here we go:

I'm meeting a bunch of people in the bar later (after Dr Who) as I only live down the road from Nottingham (27 minutes in the car).

I'll be wearing an Art Is Resistance NiN shirt, and Oakland Raiders cap.

Come find me - prove me wrong, so the world that everyone has picked on poor little Mandelbonder.

I'll even apologise for doubting you!

Don't get your identity stolen

Did you check the registration for a Mr. Danthewsan Mandelbondsley?

Jason Martin and Kim Hernandez would be the other alleged owners, and who would be there.

Friend of mine just called me after getting home from HH weekend apparently FW had 10 Fulgrims to sell (not sure how much faith i have in that number but they had sold out by the time he got to the front and he was there at soon as it opened )

Friend of mine just called me after getting home from HH weekend apparently FW had 10 Fulgrims to sell (not sure how much faith i have in that number but they had sold out by the time he got to the front and he was there at soon as it opened )

That sounds like an awfully low number considering how much advertisement they made...

I can't believe there were only 10 Fulgrims. There should have been about one per booked ticket.

That's a decent percentage that needs to be snapped up by a certain buyer.

as i say i am dubious on that number all i can say is they had sold out inside 30 mins of most limited releases

10 is pretty poor of GW if true. There's not much excuse for producing a volume of stock that small given how long they've been advertising the event and that people were expecting this model to be available at the event.

Well, FW are an arm of GW and therefore de facto the Devil Incarnate, but even so.

How many people went to this event?

Stands up with GW's normal "Look at all this limited edition stock" and taking it a bit too seriously and only making a small amount so they can claim it sold out within 10 minutes.

Back on topic though, if it really is a small amount I guess we should expect at least one or two people annoyed with RF. There's no way he could fill those orders with such a limited release.

I really don't believe there were only 10 Fulgrims, the net would have been swept away by a gakstorm by now (and I would have read it somewhere, too).

In any case there were no public statements what or if they (RF) obtained.

I must say, I have some doubts a few people will receive their models.

So, just to note, end of the day, and Resin Forge have posted absolutely no pics from the event, nor confirmed getting any Fulgrims whatsoever, correct?

So, I am wondering when they are going to spin the fact none of the 'partners' actually went, and then blame that on us. Maybe that PR person they hired full time on Monday but who hasn't done anything will handle it lol.

I imagine some positive testimonials from people getting their Fulgrim's will appear from RF customers soon.

So, just to note, end of the day, and Resin Forge have posted absolutely no pics from the event, nor confirmed getting any Fulgrims whatsoever, correct?

Yep.

So, I am wondering when they are going to spin the fact none of the 'partners' actually went, and then blame that on us.

He can't. Just yesterday and today he was publicly agrreing to buy the minis from people on his page (friends, customers, fans whatever). No involvement from outside then.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
So, just to note, end of the day, and Resin Forge have posted absolutely no pics from the event, nor confirmed getting any Fulgrims whatsoever, correct?

Well, huh? I'm really surprised by that Major Tom? Maybe they're having camera trouble?

Well, huh? I'm really surprised by that Major Tom? Maybe they're having camera trouble?

To be fair: not everybody has constant internet connection. Especially for American cell phones I assume.

But he promised... lol

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Well, huh? I'm really surprised by that Major Tom? Maybe they're having camera trouble?

To be fair: not everybody has constant internet connection. Especially for American cell phones I assume.

True, but last I heard Dallas wasn't having cell phone trouble?
Surely he should be able to post live pics, via Dallas? Isn't this the point for glasses to show up?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Well, huh? I'm really surprised by that Major Tom? Maybe they're having camera trouble?

To be fair: not everybody has constant internet connection. Especially for American cell phones I assume.

As ubiquitous as smart phones are these days and I assume that wifi exists in the UK....

Just got back.

Had a good couple of hours with the lucky feckers from my group who went (I had a previous appointment at an arms fair today which I arranged prior to the weekender being announced).

Only the one (out of four) got a Fulgrim, but don't read into that as only he and I do Emperors Children (and I've enough to be painting with my new UM project and so didn't even order one). There were 'limited' numbers, but no one put an actual number out.

Spent the evening in the bar, chatted to quite a few, but strangely, not one American who admitted to being in any way affiliated with RF. A couple laughed at the suggestion, knowing why I asked, but all flatly denied it. I didn't speak to or hear any female American voices, so can't confirm 'Kim' being either a) female or b) present.

Of course, it's not a scientific approach, and I'm sure DanDave MandleBonder will have a plausible excuse, but, on the face of it, I would, if pushed have to say:
He's a liar. I've called his bluff and he has been found wanting.

Also of interest - I could find NOONE who either admitted to or, wanted to sell a Fulgrim - not even when offered extra over the £55 quid price tag....
Now to wait...


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 agnosto wrote:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Well, huh? I'm really surprised by that Major Tom? Maybe they're having camera trouble?

To be fair: not everybody has constant internet connection. Especially for American cell phones I assume.

As ubiquitous as smart phones are these days and I assume that wifi exists in the UK....

Bloody marvellous WiFi at the Belfry.

In fact, a pits faster in the lobby than most public networks I've used.

Spent the evening in the bar, chatted to quite a few, but strangely, not one American who admitted to being in any way affiliated with RF. A couple laughed at the suggestion, knowing why I asked, but all flatly denied it. I didn't speak to or hear any female American voices, so can't confirm 'Kim' being either a) female or b) present.

Of course, it's not a scientific approach, and I'm sure DanDave MandleBonder will have a plausible excuse, but, on the face of it, I would, if pushed have to say:
He's a liar. I've called his bluff and he has been found wanting.

Well, maybe they were packing their loot into the luggages and didn't have time to come to the bar?

Could well be the case!

As I said, it proves very little, and I'm sure RF will be able to prove us all wrong with copious pictures taken by themselves, after all, who doesn't go to a foreign country and take loads of holiday snaps?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Spent the evening in the bar, chatted to quite a few, but strangely, not one American who admitted to being in any way affiliated with RF. A couple laughed at the suggestion, knowing why I asked, but all flatly denied it. I didn't speak to or hear any female American voices, so can't confirm 'Kim' being either a) female or b) present.

Of course, it's not a scientific approach, and I'm sure DanDave MandleBonder will have a plausible excuse, but, on the face of it, I would, if pushed have to say:
He's a liar. I've called his bluff and he has been found wanting.

Well, maybe they were packing their loot into the luggages and didn't have time to come to the bar?

An packing all the luggage in to the rental truck (lorrie) they had to get do to the sheer volume of their haul. You should of offered to help them load the trucks Art....

Art Steventon wrote:
Could well be the case!

As I said, it proves very little, and I'm sure RF will be able to prove us all wrong with copious pictures taken by themselves, after all, who doesn't go to a foreign country and take loads of holiday snaps?

I don't. I took about 2 photos when I went to Germany on a school trip, and they were both trains.

I guess I'm different then - I had to buy extra me,org cards last time I went to NYC!

Just in case anyone has forgotten why I challenged Raf over whether he/they were there - taken from his/their facebook page:
Due to only 2 co owners of Resin Forge Store going to the HH Weekend Event, we will be limited to how much we can bring back as carry on (much cheaper then shipping and MUCH MUCH quicker so it can get to you.) (fear not , both owners are taking very large suitcases and very little cloths!).

Because of this, space is running out custom requests for Fulgim or any of the new sets that will be released. Its coming down to first come, first serve! Simply send us a PM here or email us directly.

Art Steventon wrote:
I guess I'm different then - I had to buy extra me,org cards last time I went to NYC!

Just in case anyone has forgotten why I challenged Raf over whether he/they were there - taken from his/their facebook page:
Due to only 2 co owners of Resin Forge Store going to the HH Weekend Event, we will be limited to how much we can bring back as carry on (much cheaper then shipping and MUCH MUCH quicker so it can get to you.) (fear not , both owners are taking very large suitcases and very little cloths!).

Because of this, space is running out custom requests for Fulgim or any of the new sets that will be released. Its coming down to first come, first serve! Simply send us a PM here or email us directly.

Well, I for one appreciate the "hard work" you put in at the BAR!!!!

Seriously Art, I do really appreciate taking the time to keep us updated and holding RF's feet to the fire on their promises!
And a big thanks for joining us here in the land of the (semi)sane at Dakka! Don't let Manballsfondlerbuam be the only reason to hang out!

I'm actually looking forward to how they spin this. My money's on blaming Lex ninjas again, dakka ninjas, or blaming art and pulling it out of context saying his pub call out was a "death threat" and they didn't want to come face the big mean bully in the UK or some gak.

 doc1234 wrote:
I'm actually looking forward to how they spin this. My money's on blaming Lex ninjas again, dakka ninjas, or blaming art and pulling it out of context saying his pub call out was a "death threat" and they didn't want to come face the big mean bully in the UK or some gak.

Agreed. On all speculations as well. Sadly, whatever the excuse is, it'll be lame, make no sense and he'll just expect his loyal followers to believe him or be labeled as a troll.

And I do believe depending on the day of the week, and time, the combination of a NIN Tee, with a Raiders ball cap is a nonverbal death threat.....
(No, not really)

I look forward to reading this.

If I was going for a 'nonverbal death threat' I'd have left the Punisher T-Shirt on I wore earlier.... :-)

Seriously, I offered a pint - unless thing are REALLY different in Texas to The Midlands UK, then that's a friendly offer.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
I'm actually looking forward to how they spin this. My money's on blaming Lex ninjas again, dakka ninjas, or blaming art and pulling it out of context saying his pub call out was a "death threat" and they didn't want to come face the big mean bully in the UK or some gak.

Agreed. On all speculations as well. Sadly, whatever the excuse is, it'll be lame, make no sense and he'll just expect his loyal followers to believe him or be labeled as a troll.

And I do believe depending on the day of the week, and time, the combination of a NIN Tee, with a Raiders ball cap is a nonverbal death threat.....
(No, not really)

Depends if you subscribe to round logic. NIN is 3 letters, the same as in cap. 3 times 9 (inch nails) is 27. There are 27 stars visible on a saturday night in that area on a saturday. The raiders symbol is like a pirate therefor art was threatening RF with space pirates. Simple.

Art Steventon wrote:
If I was going for a 'nonverbal death threat' I'd have left the Punisher T-Shirt on I wore earlier.... :-)

Seriously, I offered a pint - unless thing are REALLY different in Texas to The Midlands UK, then that's a friendly offer.

To normal people, hell yeah! To those it would expose as possibly "not being exactly factually accurate", it's poison!

No worries, it's definitely nothing wrong with the offer. Friendliness that is not in the form of singing of their praises is just seen as a trap, more likely

 doc1234 wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
I'm actually looking forward to how they spin this. My money's on blaming Lex ninjas again, dakka ninjas, or blaming art and pulling it out of context saying his pub call out was a "death threat" and they didn't want to come face the big mean bully in the UK or some gak.

Agreed. On all speculations as well. Sadly, whatever the excuse is, it'll be lame, make no sense and he'll just expect his loyal followers to believe him or be labeled as a troll.

And I do believe depending on the day of the week, and time, the combination of a NIN Tee, with a Raiders ball cap is a nonverbal death threat.....
(No, not really)

Depends if you subscribe to round logic. NIN is 3 letters, the same as in cap. 3 times 9 (inch nails) is 27. There are 27 stars visible on a saturday night in that area on a saturday. The raiders symbol is like a pirate therefor art was threatening RF with space pirates. Simple.

Parlay?

I'm not sure why people are expecting spin on this. Wouldn't think be the point, usually, where he disappears?

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm not sure why people are expecting spin on this. Wouldn't think be the point, usually, where he disappears?

Are you drunk typing?!
Seriously, I figured 30 days or so after the HH Weekend event was over would be when he'd disappear.

Why would that be drunk typing?

Usual behaviour is build up to the point where he gets a lot of orders then just disappear, maybe responding to some disputes until people get sick of it. The HH weekender plan seems like a good 'take lots of orders' opportunity.

 -Loki- wrote:
Wouldn't think be the point,

Just something seems drunk in the highlighted part. How I 'd type it. At least when I'm "altered" anyway. Not saying it's a bad thing, just poking fun.

Lets see if Alph gets his money back seeing how well they've done this weekend.

Yup.

Hate to say it, but I've had a nagging thought that the excuse that he's not been able to secure any 'stock' 'at this time, I've had to order everything which will take a few weeks to arrive' would be used.

And if you're readin this DanDave - that's (c) ME - use it and I'll sue you into oblivion! :-D

The Lexicanum especially likes how Resin Forge copy pastes our summaries made from other blogs and does not mark them as SHARED but reposts ithem without mentioning where from.

Resin Forge Store shared a link.

57 minutes ago.


Seminar on Book 2 and book 3. Once again a thanks to battlebunnies for organizing more info info a single place. For those that we haven't know who to get credit from , its because if you repost from another blog or site, we wont give credit to your site or FB page because that's not where you originally took the info. Just a small FYI


so reall time updates on there FB page about things said in this thread but they cant take time to conferm they have fulgrim models ......lol

so reall time updates on there FB page about things said in this thread but they cant take time to conferm they have fulgrim models ......lol

Of course we know that RF reads this thread. Since almost everybody here is banned fro their page it's the only way to make sure they know what we know

Gotta love the snipe at WS / DD / Lex for 'not crediting'!

Cheeky fecker's still not man enough to 'fess up that not one of his multiple personalities has actually travelled to The HHW.

Of course, doing so would involve a spine.

Also - take a look at the more... Vocal supporter's pages - see anything interesting?

Art Steventon wrote:


Also - take a look at the more... Vocal supporter's pages - see anything interesting?

For the lazy here, could you just tell us? It'd be much appreciated and repaid with...well, nothing, but it'd be appreciated

Massive amounts of activity surrounding gaming in the last 3 months, very few (if any) photos of the user apart from scalped gaming pictures, spelling syntax and grammar very close to those employed by RF, locations not matching map use.....

Now, I'm not accusing anything, but taken in context... Some of the profiles just... Seem odd.

If anyone needs my help against RESIN FORGE please me know. I purchased from them and NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING. I have all the emails and texts. I have how a guys named "Jason" ripped into me sideways when after 45 days I turned them over. They are liars and frauds. Yes, my language is strong but I have proof of what they did to me.

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Hi again folks -- since my post this morning I have received 4 harassing phone calls from RESIN FORGE. These calls appear to come from Texas. I was told "I could call them liars but not thieves". This is because they did reimburse me AFTER THEY WERE TURNED IN.

Just to be clear AFTER they were turned over to PAYPAL, the were forced to refund my money. However, RESIN FORGE continued to claim they had sent free items and then called me ungrateful. THESE SUPPOSED FREE ITEMS NEVER CAME! Understand I was told thru emails and texts that my items were right there infront of them but they somehow could not get to the post office. THIS LASTED FOR ALMOST 45 DAYS! I contacted PAYPAL about my concerns and they told me to begin the process and file a claim against them.

I have let this RESIN FORGE know that if they contact me again they will be turned over to my phone company and police for making continued harassing phone calls. And now they are trying to email me -- here it is...

On May 19, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Resin Forge <resinforgestore@gmail.com> wrote: "Correct your post saying you were refunded. What you are doing is laible. And We will not hesitate to call the police either. We have documents you were paid. Your post makes it pretty clear you werent. Correct it."

BEWARE OF THIS COMPANY.

Well, they take personal contact to their customer very seriously, in an eery way.

This is a new one...
So far, we've only heard of issues surrounding previous setups of MandelBonder - SenatorCharlie brings an accusation against RF itself!

And the same M.O continues. Promises, lies and then threats.

And oh, bad spelling.

Exactly SOP for Mandelbaum... here we go again...

Wow. That was a fast response though. (to Senator Charlie's post here that is.)

One would hope he could address whether or not they sent anyone to the Weekender as promised, if he got the stock they pre-sold without being able to pre-order etc as fast... he only has time and energy to harass people he messed around apparently though, not to live up to his commitments.

Didn't they hire a PR pro to promulgate their public pronouncements?

Apparently... though that was never mentioned again... it is almost as if Mandelbaum was just using that as a smokescreen to get out of answering direct questions at the time... nah though that would be disingenuous he wouldn't do that. I am sure clear answers to simple questions are forthcoming, along with a spat of pics from ResinForge themselves and news of the weekender first hand and unique to them, along with tales of the friends they've made socializing there. I am also sure he has secured all the Fulgrims he needed at MSRP as promised too. I am also sure it is a small misunderstanding with the new victi-er-customer above where he did exactly what he always does and then harasses the customer using their personal info in an immoral way.

Absolutely, everything is on the up and up.

Why are there no photos from the other members who went to the convention?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Resin-Forge-Store/464657756903319?fref=ts

Seems like a lot of Italian blogs are being referenced here.

No updates on what was obtained by RF though.

Isn't there a danger that these other blog sites from whence Resin Forge are taking their photos, will issue a DMAA takedown notice? Unless the pics are used by permission, of course.

Remember, all the pictures with the RF stamp in the corner are pictures that they took themselves!

D-USA of which there are LOADS,

Except there aren't. Nope, not one.

Art Steventon wrote:
D-USA of which there are LOADS,

Except there aren't. Nope, not one.

maybe they have lots of pics but cant figure out how to watermark them?

So here's the one part I find interesting in all of this. One person says something negative about them and they already know who it is and are emailing them. Now if someone were to do that to my business I wouldn't have a clue until talking to them and I would most certainly not ever call them unless they requested me to as it is a major violation of federal trade and privacy agreements. That alone could get me sued for all my company's worth. In the end this whole incident is disappointing for me as I was excited about a few bits dealer in the U.S.

senatorcharlie wrote:

Just to be clear AFTER they were turned over to PAYPAL, the were forced to refund my money. However, RESIN FORGE continued to claim they had sent free items and then called me ungrateful. THESE SUPPOSED FREE ITEMS NEVER CAME! Understand I was told thru emails and texts that my items were right there infront of them but they somehow could not get to the post office. THIS LASTED FOR ALMOST 45 DAYS! I contacted PAYPAL about my concerns and they told me to begin the process and file a claim against them.

An inability to get to the post office is a common claim from Daniel Mandelbaum's various aliases particularly when he called himself RedStarOne. Backing this up with harassment and abuse through email and phone and a legal threat for 'laible'. Pretty standard for him, now it's unravelling he's getting nasty.

Let the thieving begin. I recommend people open their disputes now, so that if their product doesn't show up they are already on the right track. Don't let Mandelbondsley run out the clock on your 45 day window.

Hey,

Noticed RF still has no photos of their items they got up yet. Lots of empty bags though! I can take photos like that to, I think I have a 100+ Forgeworld bags all empty. Maybe I should use my bags to start an online web store just like RF ^.^

As usual the Lex would like to know a little bit more about Senator Charlie: no offense. Can somebody who did not just create an account and therefore has more credibility confirm this is not a puppet account or sth?

Please everyone remember that Resin Forge and Daniel Mandelbaum have not been convicted of fraud so it is wrong to call them fraudsters or scammers.

Thank you.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Please everyone remember that Resin Forge and Daniel Mandelbaum have not been convicted of fraud so it is wrong to call them fraudsters or scammers.

Thank you.

They have however been convicted of asshattery by a court of their peers. Scam or not, any company that harasses people into changing their forum posts, or who tries to get some random person on the internet fired from their job, is a 100% verified asshat.

So who wants to contact the people who did sell RF the Fulgrims?

So, Resin Forge doesn't even have a snide remark about not being "trollish" about this? Plus still no own photos from the HH Weekender, no photos of all the ordered goodies, not even a thank you to the "loyal readers" who sold them their Fulgrims? A bit anti-climactic

The only bad thing about this is that if things go south, they can just delete the whole Facebook page and pretend it never happened.

The only bad thing about this is that if things go south, they can just delete the whole Facebook page and pretend it never happened.

That what never happened?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

The only bad thing about this is that if things go south, they can just delete the whole Facebook page and pretend it never happened.

That what never happened?

Resin Forge, and the mess they left behind. All of their activity will be gone except for screen shots that people took.

Resin Forge, and the mess they left behind. All of their activity will be gone except for screen shots that people took.

So what's the difference to his previous endeavours then? Sites disappear, memories and screenshots stay, as do messages.

His last two sites are still there I think, at least Three Stage Studios is.

My main thought is that as of right now, all the people that actually liked the page are a good united front if/when things go bad. As soon as the page is deleted all those connections between people are lost.

My main thought is that as of right now, all the people that actually liked the page are a good united front if/when things go bad. As soon as the page is deleted all those connections between people are lost.

Most of these people are one time likers who never did anything else. And I don't really get why it should be worrisome if connections between likers of a random page are lost?

No updates on the RF page in 14 hours. Seems mighty quiet when really they should be announcing how many Fulgrims(if any) they got and how they are going to handle refunds and who gets what.

I'd be VERY surprised if this all goes legitimately and everything is resolved properly.

Daniel hasn't had the testicular fortitude to email me again, which is a shame as I'd love to hear what he has to say.

 Aerethan wrote:
No updates on the RF page in 14 hours. Seems mighty quiet when really they should be announcing how many Fulgrims(if any) they got and how they are going to handle refunds and who gets what.

I'd be VERY surprised if this all goes legitimately and everything is resolved properly.

There's nothing stopping someone who doesn't get enough Fulgrims casting their own to sell to people that they have promised it to. Not that there is any evidence of that being the case here...but if there are more than 2 or 3 testimonials, it'll be seedy as all get out.

 Aerethan wrote:
No updates on the RF page in 14 hours. Seems mighty quiet when really they should be announcing how many Fulgrims(if any) they got and how they are going to handle refunds and who gets what.

I'd be VERY surprised if this all goes legitimately and everything is resolved properly.

Daniel hasn't had the testicular fortitude to email me again, which is a shame as I'd love to hear what he has to say.

i did contact resin forge about a week ago to ask how many fulgrims that were planning to get and how many of them had been "pre ordered" the reply was that all pre arranged fulgrim models had already been spoken for, so if that was true there wouldnt be any reason to post about how many models they were able to get unless they had been able to get more then expected

The problem there is that RF can claim "pre arranged" all they want, but it means nothing. No one was guaranteed to have a fulgrim at HH weekend. It was not 1 per customer. It was X qty, 1 per customer max until they sell out.


That is what is so sketchy about it. And unless it's a limited release model(which iirc it is not) then there's not massive reason to get one right away unless it's needed for some painting competition or something.

Even then, RF made such a stink on their FB page about Fulgrim that one would expect pics of the product in hand as RF has done with their "regular" orders.

It was not 1 per customer. It was X qty, 1 per customer max until they sell out.

Yes, but at the same time they came up with the scheme to buy up Fulgrims from people who didn't want theirs.

No updates on the RF page in 14 hours. Seems mighty quiet

Make that 22h And even more surprising considering the explosion of activities on other pages re Eldar and the surfacing of many new pics from the HH weekender - none of that although before every single pic of miniatures seemed to have been reposted. Maybe they all got sick in the RF team. Or lost the password for the account? Riddles everrywhere.

This was a pretty eye opening read, I had dealings with redstarone, but was completely unaware how deep this "rabbit hole" went.
I wish nothing but the worse for him.

What if the 'sale' is purely MandelBonder giving up? I bet his sales have plummeted since he got outed.... so the only thign he can do now is a fire sale.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

They do have a 10% sale on at the moment, time to buy people!

PLUS free shipping

Just give them your address, your phone number and the address of your employer

What if the 'sale' is purely MandelBonder giving up? I bet his sales have plummeted since he got outed.... so the only thign he can do now is a fire sale.

The likes of the pages are slightly higher than before and there seemed to be a lot of interaction going on.

EDIT: plus as said before, that sale was going on before the Weekender stuff.

Resin Forge Store
9:15pm (about an hour ago)
A little somethin, somethin among a very busy day!

So RF is still there. Busy packing parcels for the customers I assume.^^

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

What if the 'sale' is purely MandelBonder giving up? I bet his sales have plummeted since he got outed.... so the only thign he can do now is a fire sale.

The likes of the pages are slightly higher than before and there seemed to be a lot of interaction going on.

EDIT: plus as said before, that sale was going on before the Weekender stuff.

Still havent seen any pictures, with the RF stamp on it..... The one just posted, was taken by someone else.

That's one of Either a inky or Loken's photos. Still no news on a) how many Fulgrims he got or anything else for that matter.
He's a feckin liar. Pure and simple.

Its been interesting reading and watching this whole situation. At one point was going to place an order, but hell no now.....

Based on everything I have heard - and read - RF is not the sort of Business I would recommend to friends. I have suggested to everyone I know in the community to use the appropriate button on FB..

That's one of Either a inky or Loken's photos.

They are from Warpaintstudios (again not credited) - I already posted them yesterday on the Lex.

Ah! Cheers - my mistake.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

That's one of Either a inky or Loken's photos.

They are from Warpaintstudios (again not credited) - I already posted them yesterday on the Lex.

Can these people issue DMCA takedowns of their photos being shown on his site?

This Mandelbonder character is starting to remind me of John Cusack in 'Identity'.

 puma713 wrote:
This Mandelbonder character is starting to remind me of John Asshat in 'stolen Identity'.

There, got that for you.

I was thinking more Leonardo Dicaprio in Catch me if you Can, only without the Money, Girls and success. Aerethan is being played by Tom Hanks and I'm played by Christopher Walken. In a late change Steve Buscemi will be playing Bondelbaum.

That's fairly insulting to Steve Buscemi.

Can these people issue DMCA takedowns of their photos being shown on his site?

Why would they be interested in doing that?

EDIT: Somebody knows who is behind "Total Wargamer"? http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1372911#post1372911

 -Loki- wrote:
That's fairly insulting to Steve Buscemi.

Ugly man for an ugly character.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Can these people issue DMCA takedowns of their photos being shown on his site?

Why would they be interested in doing that?

EDIT: Somebody knows who is behind "Total Wargamer"? http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1372911#post1372911

There's a thread on Dakka about it, I assumed this was the Total Wargamer site that had been advertised on the Overlords Podcast, most likely not Mandelbaum related

There's a thread on Dakka about it, I assumed this was the Total Wargamer site that had been advertised on the Overlords Podcast, most likely not Mandelbaum related

Yeah, they are also UK based as I see and "just" seem to be not very good at delivering orders in time. So as you said, obviously unrelated.

 notprop wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
That's fairly insulting to Steve Buscemi.

Ugly man for an ugly character.

Careful, you're on track for a C&D regarding your opinion of Mandelbauer's looks.

The whole situation reminds me of a bad "Catfish" episode. I begin to wonder if it's even about the money for him anymore, or if he's more about the thrill from using multiple aliases, and weaving convoluted stories.

 Lint wrote:
The whole situation reminds me of a bad "Catfish" episode. I begin to wonder if it's even about the money for him anymore, or if he's more about the thrill from using multiple aliases, and weaving convoluted stories.

After seeing several Catfish episodes... I'm fairly certain this is a good episode

maybe he just got someone to place an order for him. Normally at these FW events, you can order any amount of the stuff they have, I myself had someone place a $600 order for me including two fulgrims.
Not meaning to take his side, just saying.

blingman wrote:
maybe he just got someone to place an order for him. Normally at these FW events, you can order any amount of the stuff they have, I myself had someone place a $600 order for me including two fulgrims.
Not meaning to take his side, just saying.

But if you've ordered from FW at events, they don't turn around, call the FW HQ, and say, "hey blingman wants 2 Fulgrims, a Titan and some arms, ship that out will ya?" They wait until after the show, and process the order as normal. And models/books that were preordered go out days, not weeks or so before the normal release date. I ordered IA 12 at AdeptiCon (April 19th was when I ordered it), and it didn't get shipped out for a week and a half, and just showed up last week). So that would mean that Mandelbaum is going to have to wait about a month before he can even think of shipping them out to customers. NOW If he wanted to save some face, and take orders, and have them shipped to customers then he could have, but this wasn't the case.

 Alfndrate wrote:

After seeing several Catfish episodes... I'm fairly certain this is a good episode

Fairly played Probably the best episode ever...

Guys, you are once again straying into idle chatter and dramatizing things. We don't need the name calling nor the off-topic chatter.

The facts speak for themselves and that is all we need.

Put yourselves in the shoes of a new reader, do you think they will take this thread as seriously as they need to based on the tone and language you guys are using?

No. So please, take the chit-chat elsewhere and take things seriously.

Thank you.

Is there a possibility to that we can get the thread stickied somewhere? I think most of the OT talk is coming due to the fact that there have not been any major developments.So, the thread will bob near the middle or bottom of the first page, and the less hits it gets when you google ResinForge (4th down) or Resin Forge (6th down) will mean that less people are going to find the thread in general. A sticky will help keep it near the top, and some swift moderation about deleting off topic posts will keep it from getting too out of hand.

The only "development" is that RF highly publicized their preorders for Fulgrim, they used to show pics of every order they got from FW, and since then they have stopped talking about business at all. No update on how many fulgrims they got, when they will ship, nothing.

No official pics of the people they allegedly sent there, no eye witness accounts of any RF people at the HH weekend.

I imagine the house of cards is about to get high winds.

I've been banned from their Facebook page for being honest, and asking an honest question.

Dreamakuma - I missed that!
What did you ask? He's already deleted the comment...

care to elaborate on that?

 dreamakuma wrote:
I've been banned from their Facebook page for being honest, and asking an honest question. ]
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