BobtheInquisitor wrote: I wasn't talking about dragons when I used that phrase. I was talking about Reaper's "_________ Minis We Want to See" threads, which are full of things like "a half-gnome village idiot with a spatula riding a pignagel. (10 people like this post.)" Look at the posts that are just dozens of links to Reaper's most embarrassing mistakes.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Reaper has a long history of actually fostering off the wall wishlisting from their customers - and the vast majority of them never come to light...but when you have a large number of people brainstorming what they might like, you often get a diamond in the rough which can then be polished by Talin and handed off to one of their freelance sculptors to create something new.
Just a handful of them. In addition to the general fantasy list, you have lists for Bones, Chronoscope and I think there is even one for Mouslings. Out of all of those though, going back all the way to 2003, you have things like you mention pop up from now and then. Most never come to light though. Occasionally though you might have something like this guy:
Crazy as it is as a concept - a Leprechaun riding an owl? It ended up being a pretty neat miniature.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: And for the record, Verocirax is by far the worst dragon they've put up. Appealing to fans of GW's abandoned S-dragons is probably a lost cause, considering GW themselves have phased them out. The Big V looks like Pete's Dragon with osteoporosis and an eating disorder.
GW's most recent dragons have moved away from it - but they are still part of the core. Even the plastic high elf dragon is an S dragon in a flat pose. For whatever reason though, it seems to have a strong following still.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: But what do I know? I only got into minis in 2003, so much that came before that period looks tacky and sad to my non-rose tinted glasses. Also, I find that dragons should either look like the works of Elmore, Parkinson, Todd Lockwood, Bob Eggleton or Michael Whelan, or they should look like someone who grants Goku's wishes. GW S-dragons just look like a horribly confused mish-mash of two different creatures.
Didn't mean to come off too snarky, but in a GW dominated board, a lot of people look at the art from that period from that side of the spectrum. The artwork for D&D was more refined than what you saw coming from GW (compare the Red box cover I linked to to the first edition cover of Talisman - both were released around the same time).
I'm getting more and more torn about staying in on this. But I'll hold out till the last day and see how it ends up. I think I'm gonna try and not look at anything for at least 2-weeks.
I'm with you Hulksmash. I mean, what I'm already getting may be worth $100, but then again its all extra junk I don't *need*. I'll leave my pledge where it is and pop back in towards the final week and see whats what. Currently pledging for Mars Attacks too, and I'll definitely drop this one first if push comes to shove.
I remember for awhile "wyrms" being more popular than dragons. The Chinese dragon has this snakelike shape and I vaguely remember the early AD&D gold dragon as being oriental and snakelike. Could be wrong on that.
Grr... C'mon Google, where's your Small image size only menu selection...?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I wasn't talking about dragons when I used that phrase. I was talking about Reaper's "_________ Minis We Want to See" threads, which are full of things like "a half-gnome village idiot with a spatula riding a pignagel. (10 people like this post.)" Look at the posts that are just dozens of links to Reaper's most embarrassing mistakes.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Reaper has a long history of actually fostering off the wall wishlisting from their customers - and the vast majority of them never come to light...but when you have a large number of people brainstorming what they might like, you often get a diamond in the rough which can then be polished by Talin and handed off to one of their freelance sculptors to create something new.
Just a handful of them. In addition to the general fantasy list, you have lists for Bones, Chronoscope and I think there is even one for Mouslings. Out of all of those though, going back all the way to 2003, you have things like you mention pop up from now and then. Most never come to light though. Occasionally though you might have something like this guy:
Crazy as it is as a concept - a Leprechaun riding an owl? It ended up being a pretty neat miniature.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: And for the record, Verocirax is by far the worst dragon they've put up. Appealing to fans of GW's abandoned S-dragons is probably a lost cause, considering GW themselves have phased them out. The Big V looks like Pete's Dragon with osteoporosis and an eating disorder.
GW's most recent dragons have moved away from it - but they are still part of the core. Even the plastic high elf dragon is an S dragon in a flat pose. For whatever reason though, it seems to have a strong following still.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: But what do I know? I only got into minis in 2003, so much that came before that period looks tacky and sad to my non-rose tinted glasses. Also, I find that dragons should either look like the works of Elmore, Parkinson, Todd Lockwood, Bob Eggleton or Michael Whelan, or they should look like someone who grants Goku's wishes. GW S-dragons just look like a horribly confused mish-mash of two different creatures.
Didn't mean to come off too snarky, but in a GW dominated board, a lot of people look at the art from that period from that side of the spectrum. The artwork for D&D was more refined than what you saw coming from GW (compare the Red box cover I linked to to the first edition cover of Talisman - both were released around the same time).
Well, I might have gone overboard on the snark, myself. I don't mean to be offensive. I just feel very disappointed in the last few Reaper offerings, and in conjunction with some adversarial encounters with their board, I see this as a result of their base harming the company. I mean, how many thousands of dollars are they going to sink into poorly-sculpted diaper dwarf, six-breasted weasel boo-boo and Puff the Flaccid Dragon? Certainly more than those miniatures will ever make with retail sales, unless there's some huge groundswell of appreciation I'm missing out on. Two of the latest five evil guys look like sad clowns. Reaper could be putting out much better sculpts of characters with the same race, class and load-out that they already have in their back catalog, but they are instead putting these out. I assume it's because they are listening to their inner circle of fans, people who openly state that they haven't moved on from Ral Partha and older companies. As someone who wants Reaper to succeed, the constant one step forward/one step backward is frustrating. As someone who wants enjoyable models as a reward for supporting Reaper, I find their choices are leaving me doubtful.
You know, I'm not really that upset over it, but I do feel the need to explain why I'm disappointed that Reaper is killing their own momentum to the point they need to beg people not to pull their pledges.
Well, the shipping guestimates are slightly better than the initial suggestion. I still dont like thay they are planning on putting the full value on the customs form though
I also wonder about local sales tax - is there any and can we claim that back
Regards the models - there is a real mixed bag at the moment - sadly filled with models which should probably be kept in the bag with a few rocks and thrown into a river...
SilverMK2 wrote: Well, the shipping guestimates are slightly better than the initial suggestion. I still dont like thay they are planning on putting the full value on the customs form though
I also wonder about local sales tax - is there any and can we claim that back
Regards the models - there is a real mixed bag at the moment - sadly filled with models which should probably be kept in the bag with a few rocks and thrown into a river...
Really hope they add a few good ones soon.
I think the whole thing with customs is to avoid problems.. I mean think about it.. If you have a ton of packages going to the UK and they find out that reaper is fluffing the numbers to low they can turn away all shipments creating even more of a headache for everyone involved.. It kinda sucks, but they got smacked around for just putting the pledge amount on it last time..
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I mean, how many thousands of dollars are they going to sink into poorly-sculpted diaper dwarf, six-breasted weasel boo-boo and Puff the Flaccid Dragon? Certainly more than those miniatures will ever make with retail sales, unless there's some huge groundswell of appreciation I'm missing out on. Two of the latest five evil guys look like sad clowns. Reaper could be putting out much better sculpts of characters with the same race, class and load-out that they already have in their back catalog, but they are instead putting these out. I assume it's because they are listening to their inner circle of fans, people who openly state that they haven't moved on from Ral Partha and older companies. As someone who wants Reaper to succeed, the constant one step forward/one step backward is frustrating. As someone who wants enjoyable models as a reward for supporting Reaper, I find their choices are leaving me doubtful.
They are converting the metal minis to bones based mainly on past sales metrics and they've been pretty open about that:
Check out the top selling metal minis they have (top 100 dhl, top 50 chronoscope and top 50 warlord models)
They don't have a top 50 for the pathfinder stuff, but pathfinder stuff sells like hotcakes.
Most of them are going to get bonesed or got boneisized last KS.
Apparently, people online complain a lot about certain type of models - dragon stretch goals for instance but dragons in bones outsell everything else:
Over from the reaper forums:
three things: ONE in our last KS the Dragons were the single most popular add-ons - every dragon beat out every non-dragon. TWO at all 3 conventions we have done since the KS fulfillment concluded, we sold out of every dragon we brought, and online & Distributor sales are high. THREE: for the last year you people have been begging us to put every dragon we have in Bones to make them affordable.
I have to say that I am getting more than a little annoyed with all the international backers whining and complaining about the shipping. You don't see this sort of behavior from that backers of UK or EU based kickstarters. Should I go whine and complain in the Winter War thread that EU countrys get free shipping and I have to pay?
Shipping overseas is insanely expensive as well as complicated. Reaper took it in the shorts big time with their first Bones Kickstarter. They would have been up well within their rights just simply refunded everyone's money and said we can't do this. This is not a charity this is a business.
The cold hard truth is that they simply don't need International customers. The bulk of their business is and has always been the American market. The fact that they don't have international distributors and such pretty much proves this out. That they are even willing to do international shipments speaks very highly of them and their commitment to their customers, regardless of where they are. Yet we have people here spitting virtol because Reaper refuses to ( figuratively ) stick a loaded gun to their head by lying on customs forms with respect to the shipment value.
I would not be surprised that if there is a bones 3, they exclude international shipments in entirely given how much grief this one has caused.
Verocithrax is interesting....I'm going to mess around with the Bones I have, to see how effective reposing can be. I think the model may be better (and better supported) if you coil it up and have a lower profile.
However....I'm hoping they do a new huge living dragon. Aside from the Pathfinder dragon, Kalandrax, Nethyrmaul and Wyrmgear (eg, the new dragons) are the best of the bunch.
Phobos wrote: I have to say that I am getting more than a little annoyed with all the international backers whining and complaining about the shipping. You don't see this sort of behavior from that backers of UK or EU based kickstarters. Should I go whine and complain in the Winter War thread that EU countrys get free shipping and I have to pay?
Shipping overseas is insanely expensive as well as complicated. Reaper took it in the shorts big time with their first Bones Kickstarter. They would have been up well within their rights just simply refunded everyone's money and said we can't do this. This is not a charity this is a business.
The cold hard truth is that they simply don't need International customers. The bulk of their business is and has always been the American market. The fact that they don't have international distributors and such pretty much proves this out. That they are even willing to do international shipments speaks very highly of them and their commitment to their customers, regardless of where they are. Yet we have people here spitting virtol because Reaper refuses to ( figuratively ) stick a loaded gun to their head by lying on customs forms with respect to the shipment value.
I would not be surprised that if there is a bones 3, they exclude international shipments in entirely given how much grief this one has caused.
Actually you do on (all) larger KS
The smaller the KS the less you see,
both because it's more niche (so those that seek it out Really want to back), and because there's only 1 or 2 moaners who give up and go away (on large projects you can have 10's to 100's of folk complaining once or twice and the comments end up flooded)
(and yes the folk moaning are, in general, being daft)
ulgurstasta wrote: The only thing worse then whiners is whiners who whine about whiners.
Just where is our future, the things we've done and said!
Let's just push the button, we'd be better off dead!
'Cause I hate you!
And I berate you!
And I can't wait to get to you!
The sins of all our fathers, being dumped on us – the sons.
The only choice we're given is how many megatons?
And I eschew you!
And I say, screw you!
And I hope you're blue, too.
We're all bloody worthless, Just greedy human scum.
The numbers all add up to a negative sum.
And I hate you!
And I hate you!
And I hate you...too!
Some of the moaning is daft, and some is legit. Reaper shouldn't necessarily change their plans for either, but that doesn't make people wrong to complain.
Bones Kickstarter is about getting a pile of miniatures at a huge discount. There's going to be models you either don't like, or will never have the time to deal with just by the grab bag nature of the kickstarter. For a lot of Euro/Aussie backers, the shipping when combined with the likely duty being charged just destroys the value proposition. They're unhappy because it ceases to make sense for them, so why shouldn't they voice that unhappiness?
And there definitely is a perceived unfairness in the shipping prices. It's been explained well enough. It's real. I'm assuming $10 per capita is less than what it will cost to fulfill US orders, particularly when you realize that they don't have an increase for extra add-ons. Almost all of the complaints would be removed by reducing the quoted international shipping by $10.
And the hassle of sending stuff internationally is being overblown. No chance there's anything near that level of hassle when you're sending almost 4500 international packages (25% of the previous KS was quoted). You figure a system and you pump out labels. That's all there is to it. Maybe there's an extra label for it, but you don't need to spend half an hour per backer or anything. Comparing to experience sending a single international package just isn't a fair assessment.
The other thing Reaper should look into is getting a shipping discount. Not sure USPS does shipping discounts, but all the private companies do, and for the volume Reaper is shipping, they should get more than enough discount to be cheaper than USPS, at least internationally. Here's a discussion with some details, though it's a few years old:
http://forums.oscommerce.com/topic/74335-discounted-shipping-rates-fedexups/page__st__20
Reaper is probably right to run a tighter ship this kickstarter. This kickstarter is a lot more expensive comparatively - particularly when you factor in no Sophie/$25 trade value. The shipping, for a lot of backers, is another large increase. There's also a lot less models in the deal at a comparable dollar value. Overall, there's just a less crazy deal.
Last kickstarter made Reaper a bit of profit in the end, but not enough to really invest in the stateside Bones production in a meaningful way. This KS, even if it stalled out right now and didn't make another dollar, probably puts more money in Reaper's pockets for that purpose. That's smart from Reaper - and probably good in the long run, but that doesn't make it any better of a deal from the consumer point of view.
Looking at the value proposition, you also should factor in that you aren't getting anything for a year. That's earlier than stores, but still - if you pick and choose your favourite models, you can get them probably 4-6 months after the kickstarter.
For me in Canada, it's still probably a good deal, but I'm hoping for some really great add-ons.
The other thing Reaper should look into is getting a shipping discount. Not sure USPS does shipping discounts, but all the private companies do, and for the volume Reaper is shipping, they should get more than enough discount to be cheaper than USPS, at least internationally. Here's a discussion with some details, though it's a few years old:
http://forums.oscommerce.com/topic/74335-discounted-shipping-rates-fedexups/page__st__20
Reaper has said a couple of times that USPS won't give them a discount (and packages for bones don't qualify for the super cheap bulk mail). They've also said that at their volumes fed ex and UPS are more expensive than USPS for international stuff. I'll go dig up the quote.
There's more than volume and number of packages involved in the discount you get from Fedex and UPS. Rather than worrying about the specific volume, you phone up the rep and say "I'm interested in shipping with you for my second multimillion dollar kickstarter. We had 13,000 domestic and 4,500 international backers last time, and expect that number to increase. What kind of price can you offer?" Do that for the different companies. As I mentioned, USPS doesn't really provide discounts I don't think, but there's heavy discounting for the private companies.
edit: By Reaper's graph, they spent about $445k on shipping last kickstarter. There's pretty much no chance they can't get hefty discounts with that quantity of shipping.
Phobos wrote: The cold hard truth is that they simply don't need International customers.
Volume, volume, volume (economically, not just girthically (:
It's unfortunate that America's so darn big. I think it's less that the postage rates internationally are high, it's that domestic prices for US companies are so low. US taxpayers subsidize the USPS, and the competition has to lower its prices to be, well, competitive -- within the United States. You're also not going to hear an international complain that a KS is in USD, yet one of the first guidelines for non-US KS is to find some way to offer their KS in USD because, otherwise, the Americans won't look at your KS. If you look at Mantic, a UK based company, its KS says "Halethorpe, MD" -- and its currency is in USD! I also notice the division is between US and international. Yet, for the US, there is only one currency, only one set of postal forms to fill out, while, internationally, there are, what, hundred of countries? Everyone mentions shipping costs, but the postage overhead of 100 customers in *one* country is much less than than 100 customers in a hundred *different* countries. I'd also bet that the *time* it took to handle the international shipments took disproportionally longer than domestic, delaying the launch of KS2. Heck, Reaper even had a representative of UPS (?) for Canada (?) at their site, and they didn't get the forms right!
I put the blame more on our governments than Reaper. Protectionism... customs... VAT... postal forms... they're all barriers to international commerce, which, imo, ultimately benefits consumers worldwide.
edit: By Reaper's graph, they spent about $445k on shipping last kickstarter. There's pretty much no chance they can't get hefty discounts with that quantity of shipping.
Do you think they forgot to phone their rep or something? They got a quote from UPS last time and used it for us Canadian folks instead of USPS.
Having a hard time tracking down the quotes, that kickstarter comments section is a pita to search.
Phobos wrote: The cold hard truth is that they simply don't need International customers.
Volume, volume, volume (economically, not just girthically (:
It's unfortunate that America's so darn big. I think it's less that the postage rates internationally are high, it's that domestic prices for US companies are so low. US taxpayers subsidize the USPS, and the competition has to lower its prices to be, well, competitive -- within the United States. You're also not going to hear an international complain that a KS is in USD, yet one of the first guidelines for non-US KS is to find some way to offer their KS in USD because, otherwise, the Americans won't look at your KS. If you look at Mantic, a UK based company, its KS says "Halethorpe, MD" -- and its currency is in USD! I also notice the division is between US and international. Yet, for the US, there is only one currency, only one set of postal forms to fill out, while, internationally, there are, what, hundred of countries? Everyone mentions shipping costs, but the postage overhead of 100 customers in *one* country is much less than than 100 customers in a hundred *different* countries. I'd also bet that the *time* it took to handle the international shipments took disproportionally longer than domestic, delaying the launch of KS2. Heck, Reaper even had a representative of UPS (?) for Canada (?) at their site, and they didn't get the forms right!
I put the blame more on our governments than Reaper. Protectionism... customs... VAT... postal forms... they're all barriers to international commerce, which, imo, ultimately benefits consumers worldwide.
Yeah, it took UPS a couple of tries to get us our packages in Canada.
Technically speaking though, VAT isn't a barrier to trade. That's why those free-trade fanatics at the OECD love VAT taxes.
As a consumer in Canada, I can either buy reaper locally, and pay GST, or buy from reaper directly and pay GST on the parcel once it crosses the border. As long as the tax is implemented across the board and not selectively my choices as a consumer shouldn't be distorted by the tax.
It may change my mind about whether to spend the money at all of course. I could decide to save it or something.
Hmmm - even more technically speaking, there is a school of thought in the US that considers VAT to be a "free trade barrier", because they are the only developed country in the world who doesn't have a VAT tax and instead goes with sales taxes and other none rebateable taxes. But the WTO, the OECD, NAFTA etc... beg to differ
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Anyhoo, the next stretch goal apparently has fewer than 5 heads and more than 2 eyes, according to a teaser from the reaperpeeps. Some type of calvalry?
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Reaper Miniatures 14 minutes ago
@Scott - here's some of why we won't be able to wait for postage - We had a significant number of non-responses to the pledge manager last time, which has caused some problems. We anticipate that not everyone takes the time to educate themselves about the precise requirements, so a number of backers will either never realize, or forget, that they need to reply to our e-mail notifying them to pay shipping now. We will hold their parcels, waiting for payment, which takes up space, and requires a lot more labor than "pre-paid, ok to ship the instant it is ready". A number of those backers will be more uspet that we have come back and "demanded" more money, and they will report us for fraud by taking their money and refusing to ship.
I know that's unfair, and it may only be 1% of overseas backers, but our experiences with the previous Kick starter showed us that not everybody is reasonable about these things, and we have to make policies that are simple, easy to understand, and clear. It hurts the ones like you, that take the time work with us and understand, and for that, we apologize.
Reaper Miniatures 19 minutes ago
@Scott - We will not be able to introduce a mechanism to wait for shipping until then - here's the quick & dirty version.
If we charge today $50 and it becomes $60, we eat $10 per backer, which is far better than we did last time, and is well within our calculated margins of error. Last time we ate several hundred thousand dollars because of both gross under-calculation and rate hikes.
What Reaper really should have done is estimate. The basic package is free for US, $25 for Canada, $50 for Europe and $60 for Australia. Something like that - Reaper should have a feel for how much the overall total will be in the end.
Then have various additions cost a bit of extra shipping. If a model is going to weigh over a kilo, charge $5-10 on international shippers for it. For everything they screwed up in their KS, having extra shipping per item was something that the Trollforged kickstarter has done very well - and it's all built into their calculator.
Doing something like that would be much more "simple, easy to understand, and clear" than the current shipping. It would also come off as much more fair, whether or not the end number was any different.
Bit of an answer as to why they aren't using a european distributor / reshipper:
Reaper Miniatures 2 minutes ago
@Hubert: We have looked into that kind of possibility - and it works very well if you have 1 or 2 items. We have complex orders, which can have dozens of items. In a nutshell, the fee they charge you to fulfill orders for you increases as the # of possible items in the orders goes up. We could have done so, and limited EU backers to Core Set Only, but felt that even more unfair than a variance in shipping rates. We knew coming in to this that it would hurt us with overseas pledgers, and would be unpopular. I should note that we appreciate that you are opening a dialogue with us, instead of the ranting that we sometimes receive. We are more than happy to talk about our reasons.
overtyrant wrote: Can they not then pack them there end, ship em to the distributor who then all they have to do is to send them out?
That's what they would do- it's just that the distributor would charge extra for their complicated orders.
Erm... the items would already be sorted, packed and labeled if reaper sent completed orders to distribiters. The problem is that may force reaper to eat some costs that may be hard to factor into their overseas shipping cost if they are taking money a year in advance.
Im still waiting for some more good looking models to make a showing as extras to the core and or ocre set.
Phobos wrote: I have to say that I am getting more than a little annoyed with all the international backers whining and complaining about the shipping. You don't see this sort of behavior from that backers of UK or EU based kickstarters. Should I go whine and complain in the Winter War thread that EU countrys get free shipping and I have to pay?
Automatically Appended Next Post: A bit more on why reaper is charging shipping now rather than waiting a year:
Reaper Miniatures 14 minutes ago
@Scott - here's some of why we won't be able to wait for postage - We had a significant number of non-responses to the pledge manager last time, which has caused some problems. We anticipate that not everyone takes the time to educate themselves about the precise requirements, so a number of backers will either never realize, or forget, that they need to reply to our e-mail notifying them to pay shipping now. We will hold their parcels, waiting for payment, which takes up space, and requires a lot more labor than "pre-paid, ok to ship the instant it is ready". A number of those backers will be more uspet that we have come back and "demanded" more money, and they will report us for fraud by taking their money and refusing to ship.
I know that's unfair, and it may only be 1% of overseas backers, but our experiences with the previous Kick starter showed us that not everybody is reasonable about these things, and we have to make policies that are simple, easy to understand, and clear. It hurts the ones like you, that take the time work with us and understand, and for that, we apologize.
Reaper Miniatures 19 minutes ago
@Scott - We will not be able to introduce a mechanism to wait for shipping until then - here's the quick & dirty version.
If we charge today $50 and it becomes $60, we eat $10 per backer, which is far better than we did last time, and is well within our calculated margins of error. Last time we ate several hundred thousand dollars because of both gross under-calculation and rate hikes.
That's all quite interesting. What makes me ...curious is how they plan to know the "exact" shipping price and weights for something like their core pledge (or the add-on sets, etc) if the whole KS is geared towards adding in extra figures to those sets. Which, obviously, will increase the weight, and so on...
Hm, I might end up dropping out of this after all. With the overall selection of sculpts seeming a bit less compelling this time around, and with a huge pile of Bones that only just got here recently, and a year's fulfilment, it might be far better to pick and choose the specific figures I'm interested in down the road. We'll see how this goes.
I think the issue with "actual shipping" is less about "actual shipping" and more about closer shipping.
They probably have a fairly good idea of where it will end up when everything is said and done, and should be able to predict what each level and type of addon will add into the USPS pricing API. With that, users can enter their local information and come up with a pretty close shipping cost. This will avoid them having to have a complicated chart for cross refencing to figure a "flat rate"...or simply putting the flat rate high enough to cover the worse case scenario.
Because of all the options on this, saying that all international orders pay an extra $50 wont work so well. A backer can simply want the Mousling or Lords of Darkness option, something that can ship fairly cheaply (heck, a padded envelope would work for those). However they might also choose 3 of the figure cases. Those bulky items will probably cost more to ship than getting one of everything else.
Regarding Winter Wars, shipping from the UK to the US (and I assume most other places) is dirt cheap. I have had packages shipped to me from there which have a lower marked postage rate than what it costs me to send something domestic here (and several times it was the exact same thing for some gifts I purchased from over there and then subsequently sent to their recipients).
Still, looking at the size of that campaigns rewards right now, I do hope they dont get burned on shipping. All those metal figures get heavy pretty fast, and their are somethings which will be bulky as well like the Russian vehicles. Looking at the backer list, it appears about half the backers are from the US, and even at lower rates, a few kilos of tin isnt cheap to ship.
Sean_OBrien wrote: Looking at the backer list, it appears about half the backers are from the US, and even at lower rates, a few kilos of tin isnt cheap to ship.
Aside from the cheaper shipping in the UK, if UK kickstarters are required to include VAT, that might even out the cost of shipping to the US, the creators don't have to pay 20% to the government and can use that for shipping.
Sean_OBrien wrote: Not sure if you noticed, but she is in the base package:
Probably not quite the plant creature you were thinking of though.
I was thinking more a long the lines of a Moonflower, and maybe something like Myconds (Mushroom men) I could see a mu spore a long the ways as a stand alone, for sure.
All the miniatures currently in the campaign with links to their metal counterparts so you can see sizes and difrerent angles from the Reaper catalog.
Thanks! I had been looking for something like that. Overall from the discussion in that thread, it seems like there's a whole bunch of conversions/partial resculpts being done (many of the demons, bugbear and gnoll variants).
Yeah, it pretty much is you. Though "your" website in your profile says more than enough about your mindset.
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My mind set? SO I question why they're doing so well because the miniatures dont look very good and thats based off the fact in my profile I have a link to the GW webpage? Which, by the way I don't even remember doing :/
There is a such a weird them and us attitude towards European miniatures games on here, when you compare the stuff these guys are doing like the miniatures above to say...I don't know God Slayer?
There is a such a weird them and us attitude towards European miniatures games on here, when you compare the stuff these guys are doing like the miniatures above to say...I don't know God Slayer?
I mean I applaud the patriotism but I think some people have the old Rose tinted glasses on...
God Slayer and Bones aren't really comparable. Last I checked, the Core set for bones was ~$.80 a model. Maybe twice that with shipping international.
The starter set for Godslayer is/was $48 dollars for 5-8 models (plus shipping depending on location).
If you happen to be in the U.K., the cost comes out to about four times the cost for a Godslayer model vs Reaper's Bones (and more then 10x for U.S. bakers).
I'm not saying that Godslayer isn't a good value, but at four times the cost per model the sculpt for the Godslayer mini's should be of a significantly higher quality.
I think it has more to do with what the models are intended to be used for. I'm using the bones with PnP games, I'm unlikely to use say the Rat Ogre or the troop of Ghouls more then a couple of times. Mini's for war games like Warhammer or Godslayer are much more likely to hit the tabletop repeatedly, if not every game you play.
I don't get the Reaper disappointment. Reaper's made some nice stuff over the years- a lot of that translates well from metal to Bones. Given a choice I'll take the cheaper route to get my models, every single time. I doubt I am alone in that regard, especially when there are kids involved, and especially when you have to keep your hobby budget reigned in tight.
Plus I like having all kinds of random pieces to throw down in a skirmish. I don't have the time/ patience to get a mass battle army painted up any more, nor do I have the time to invest in large scale games of that ilk.
Reaper's let my kids purchase their own figures as well. I don't want to plunk down 20+ dollars for something that's going to get all of its small and brittle parts demolished, or a box of a few figures for 40 bucks or more. 2 or 3 bucks and no gluing involved? Sure. My daughter has a pretty complete adventuring band of fighting girls now, while my son is slowly building up a Monster Manual Zoo to harass said girls with.
If any European company, Asian company, American company, ANY company wants to compete with Reaper in getting reasonably priced figures to the market, THEN BY ALL MEANS.
The naysayers can keep their boutique prices and limited editions, and I'm sure they'd be just as happy with the situation like that. (Not as a knock to the boutique stuff- if I had the skill or cash to waste on it, I'm sure I would partake as well)
If you dig around the Reaper forums, you'll find references to painting with the rest of the family, especially the kids.
Reaper Bones *isn't* for the hardcore painters or wargamers. A good number of the buyers don't even paint the miniatures. They want to rip open the blister and plunk down the mini for their RPG game. RPG'ers aren't exactly the most prepared lot. Players will fish around a bunch of mini's and find "something close" while the GM will resort to using dice instead of miniatures. None of this "official painted army" nonsense. The "bulk purchase" model suits them well. Buy a whole bunch of fantasy mini's and hope for the best. A player might buy a metal figure that matches his character (and pre-Bones, character *do* sell better than monsters), but no way can you expect the GM to foot the metal gaming bill for all the monsters in the dungeon. He's already spent quite a bit of money on the world books and other RPG book supplements.
If anyones interested, I have the Reaper Bones 1 Vampire level I'd like to get 200.00 for. If your interested in the dragons and other stuff, We can talk about those to.
I've got a bunch of this stuff that needs a better home then I can give them right now.
To be honest though, a lot of wargamers just want to rip open a package and throw it on the table too. That is one of the reasons Clix have done so well.
Granted right now I have 36 square feet of misc. monsters which are used for gaming...both role playing and roll playing games. There are another 84 square feet or so of specific armies, some of which are heavy on monsters. Still have room for three more tiers of shelves before they get too cramped. All of it painted, though to be honest, I will probably be retiring 15-20 square feet of old Partha figures to the smelting pot now that I can get them in lighter and better Bones (giants, dragons and other monsters).
All a question of need and desire. A lot of Bones figures are outstanding detail and insane value. Some are OK detail but still insane value. When they are painted up, they can look as good as metal, especially at 3 feet. With most of the figures I have the metal counterpart already, and often I have a hard time telling them apart until I pick them up.
Fair 'nuff. Still means at least having a bunch of models though, always beats resorting to "noo, the red dice are goblins, the black dice are lv28 black dragons" style situations
Weren't some of those old partha dragons actually quite nice, though?
Yep, that is why they have lasted so long. Several of them will likely avoid the smelting pot for years to come. However, some were not nearly as nice, and slowly over the last 15-20 years I have been replacing old figures with new as the old figures no longer stand up to my current standards.
Small things are pretty easy, but I can probably count the number of companies who are doing large monsters on my fingers (barring a few one-offs like the Heresy Dragon).
The saddest part there is that a good portion of those are selling figures that were sculpted while Partha was still in business (and it shows too).
Yup, big monsters are quite a risky investment, it would seem. That new oathsworn dragon is a nice refreshing addition to the club though, for example.
Still, just can't beat something like bones for dragons, I'm not going back to metal or resin for big monsters given even half a chance to get something compatible in bones
New stretch for the Option Expansion, definately sweetens that pot a good bit. Might need to see if there are some sort of rules for an underwater wargame to have the Kraken face off against the Goroloth.
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For those who track that sort of thing, the Core Package is now at 68 cents per figure. Option #1 is at $1.28 per figure 8 rather large figures along with a bunch of large and around 20 or so regular or smaller sized (goblins, kobolds and derro are all smaller than regular people).
Looks like the big one to me. If you compare right under the gills, the small on goes straight into belly texture while the large one has some clear space.
Like most minis...they are for what you use them for. A lot use them for RPGs, some use them for board games, some use them for skirmish games, some use them for large scale battles, some just paint them.
Reapers core market is the D&D based RPG player though, so most are focused on that, and other things they can be used for happen to follow suit with similiar styles as the various settings for D&D.
Glenmorray wrote: So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...
Most people use them for RPG:s or just to paint, but some use them as characters in their wargames armies. I have a friend who's GW Dwarf army got sweet Female Thane and a Pirate slayer lord from first Bones-campaign.
Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.
Phobos wrote: Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.
It's you. Most KS start big and slope down until the end or start small and explode. I haven't seen a lot of solid all the way through KSs.
I wish they'd consider the expansions to be paid stretches rather than a third alternative. At the current rate, they'll only pass a stretch every three to four days, and with 1/3 of stretches being freebies, that's roughly 10 days at this rate until we should expect the next freebie stretch.
Also, I don't consider the expansions any different to any paid stretch. Not many would add $50 for the expansion if all they expected was the first 2 stretches on the expansion. People who added them early added them with a rough idea how much value there would be when completed.
I'm also hoping future expansions are more focused. Grab bag of minis is more the core set's niche, when adding money, I like to be able to tailor a bit more.
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It's too bad the sacrifice victim was removed from the cultists. As a scenario set, having the victim there adds a lot IMO.
Will add the expansion when the pledge manager arrives. Got enough money tied up in other stuff currently.
Would really like to see some straight up add ons that we don't need stretches for. Let the money pour in a little quicker! I basically checked out the update, knew I would have gotten it regardless, and went back to business as usual.
Maybe the rumored Warlord stuff will get unleashed soon. Unit packs of basic Warlord infantry in Bones would be quite cool. Add ons of 6-12 figures, 3 or 4 sculpts per box, wrap it up with a unit leader plus a pdf/ quick start rules sell it for around 10 to 15. I would imagine that would help the numbers rise quicker.
The excitement sure isn't there any more.
I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.
I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.
I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.
I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.
I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.
I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.
I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.
What happened with the elf sculpts?
Artist never turned them in, they had to make new ones.
There are actually a number of new sculpts, they just all appeared within the first day instead of getting teased out because of the massive surge, and they are already sculpted instead of being concept art:
Ah, I was looking for concept art for new sculpts, wasn't knowledgeable enough of their catalog to notice the new.
Well, that would still mean that sculpting updates would not be needed, as they are already done, and I don't think they would do alternate picture updates of the new models.
In addition to there rather large catalog, Reaper has a large stable of freelance sculptors, so most of what is new ends up being done in rather short order. They had also sent out a lot of these jobs to be sculpted months ago, so that helps too.
It is kind of funny when you think about it. Some campaigns get called out for not having greens and only having concept art. Here, people are wondering where the concept art is for the new sculpts.
Phobos wrote: Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.
It's you. Most KS start big and slope down until the end or start small and explode. I haven't seen a lot of solid all the way through KSs.
Bones I was super slow until the end.
Bones 1 wasnt super slow, it was just the end was insane. I think they hit a goal every day after the first few days, and then at the end they exploded and killed the servers (both KS and the Amazon payment processing server). The final total continued to grow for almost three hours after the campaign closed the servers were running so slow actually processing transactions.
You also have problems with the wait and see crowd. Right now, the large majority of backers simply pledged the base line amount in order to get their spot in line and are going to come back near the end to adjust their final pledge amount. The pledge per backer is only $125. Chances are the final number will be closer to $225 or $250 (quite possibly much higher depending on how many people get one of everything). That could be an extra $1.5 million just with the current backers pledges. You will even have some who feel no need to come back around as they assume they will be able to add money in much later through a pledge manager.
People often miss that important aspect of these campaigns. New goals only come from pledged dollars, and they must be pledged during the campaign to unlock anything. That is why I always remind people to just figure out what they think they might pledge in the end (speculation on releases and finances..I know) and place that. It will help to move everything forward and you dont end up spending a lot of time ho-humming about it.
I moved my pledge to the $1 for the add ones. I have to admit that what is now in the core set just isn't appealling enough barring a few mini's. I am more excited by the add-ons. Atm the ratio of good Reaper mini's to "meh" and "oh god, why did that get made" isn't improving enough for me to stay.
Personally, I would rather they dropped out some of the crappy ones in there and stick a dragon in there.
I was hoping it was going to improve but a couple of dragons and a few extra bits will be it I think.
Personally I hope they do more monstrous humanoids and other medium sized monsters. There will only be so many dragons to fight in a campaign, unless it's specifically dragon focused. Granted you only need so many goblins, skeletons, and orcs but hitting things like Displacer Beasts, mounted knights, vermin, and such would be convenient for me. The base pledge already added a lot IMHO, especially with the ranger companions. More barbarians would be a pleasant addition as well.
fullheadofhair wrote: I moved my pledge to the $1 for the add ones. I have to admit that what is now in the core set just isn't appealling enough barring a few mini's. I am more excited by the add-ons. Atm the ratio of good Reaper mini's to "meh" and "oh god, why did that get made" isn't improving enough for me to stay.
Personally, I would rather they dropped out some of the crappy ones in there and stick a dragon in there.
I was hoping it was going to improve but a couple of dragons and a few extra bits will be it I think.
Even a fairly conservative estimate is that you will get another 4 goals added into the core, with more likely 6 or 7. That means that a whole lot of extra stuff is still in play being still 19 days from the end of this campaign. I would think that if you were thinking of the core at all, you might want to at least wait till we get closer till the end before you stick a fork in it.
Glenmorray wrote: So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...
My Farseer On a Jetbike is riding a PAthfinder Red Dragon Into battle from BONES.
All in all im going to keep up on this, But Im not going to support it. It seems uhhh, useless to pay that much for minis im not sure I want.
Sinful Hero wrote: Personally I hope they do more monstrous humanoids and other medium sized monsters. There will only be so many dragons to fight in a campaign, unless it's specifically dragon focused. Granted you only need so many goblins, skeletons, and orcs but hitting things like Displacer Beasts, mounted knights, vermin, and such would be convenient for me. The base pledge already added a lot IMHO, especially with the ranger companions. More barbarians would be a pleasant addition as well.
Not sure how many more vermin we will see this time. They covered those fairly well in the first one with several different options.
Cavalry are definately in, though I still havent managed to get which ones out of them. It sounds as though it is two goals worth. One a bit of a grab bag, and the other from a Warlord faction.
I do believe I saw something relating to the displacer beast, but it was grainy video. There looked to be 5 different classic D&D monsters with it.
No word on Barbaians, though they have been under represented so far, so I would not be surprised.
Regarding the big stuff, they are making more in sales on the large figures than all the little ones, or close to it. At conventions, through distributors and online, the dragons and giants have been selling out fast. They still are jot at the same number of units sold, but they sell for more and generally have lower stock levels so they sellout faster. I expect to see a lot of little stuff, but really expect to see almost everything in their catalog over $20-30 or so. Might not be this campaign, but the volume sales have shown that people love to buy big figures for less than what a single man sized metal figure from some other guys sells for.
Glenmorray wrote: So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...
My Farseer On a Jetbike is riding a PAthfinder Red Dragon Into battle from BONES.
All in all im going to keep up on this, But Im not going to support it. It seems uhhh, useless to pay that much for minis im not sure I want.
Spoken like a true miniature novice.
Just kidding of course, but when you consider some peoples collecting habits, it is more buy it now in order to make up a use for it later.
Sinful Hero wrote: Personally I hope they do more monstrous humanoids and other medium sized monsters. There will only be so many dragons to fight in a campaign, unless it's specifically dragon focused. Granted you only need so many goblins, skeletons, and orcs but hitting things like Displacer Beasts, mounted knights, vermin, and such would be convenient for me. The base pledge already added a lot IMHO, especially with the ranger companions. More barbarians would be a pleasant addition as well.
Not sure how many more vermin we will see this time. They covered those fairly well in the first one with several different options.
Cavalry are definately in, though I still havent managed to get which ones out of them. It sounds as though it is two goals worth. One a bit of a grab bag, and the other from a Warlord faction.
I do believe I saw something relating to the displacer beast, but it was grainy video. There looked to be 5 different classic D&D monsters with it.
No word on Barbaians, though they have been under represented so far, so I would not be surprised.
Regarding the big stuff, they are making more in sales on the large figures than all the little ones, or close to it. At conventions, through distributors and online, the dragons and giants have been selling out fast. They still are jot at the same number of units sold, but they sell for more and generally have lower stock levels so they sellout faster. I expect to see a lot of little stuff, but really expect to see almost everything in their catalog over $20-30 or so. Might not be this campaign, but the volume sales have shown that people love to buy big figures for less than what a single man sized metal figure from some other guys sells for.
Still missing man to large-sized Spiders(unless they were included in the old Drider add on from the first kickstarter, which I don't think so), man-sized scorpion, and any type of Centipede. That's just your typical vermin. This kickstarter so far though has taken care of most types of rat you might encounter, so I can't complain too much. Although Mantises, Snakes, and other creepy-crawlys would be neat.
It was a pre KS1 release, so you may have missed it (I dont think it was an addon at all).
Automatically Appended Next Post: But yes, there is definately room for more bugs...just not sure if there is room for another vermin within this campaign. Maybe along with one of there freaking huge spiders or demon bugs. Vermin, while popular are not the sort of thing that get too many people excited.
Mine is 6" or so, but I have the tentacles facing mostly backwards.
The tentacles are probably 3" long with the body being 4" or so and another 1-1 1/2" for the tail. If you have it reaching, it couldend up being a good 8" long.
Mine is posed with a figure in its tentacles being pulled in though, so it is a good bit shorter than that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just to put it in perspective with something you will be familiar with...
Can't say I'm too surprised to hear the big sellers are the pieces that used to cost drastically much more than their Bones counterpart.
Gives me hope for some of those dragon mount figures ending up as Bones figures. I would not mind at all if they end up in one of those cavalry stretches.
Going insane every day for four weeks straight was never going to happen. They and we knew their first day was going to be insane, and honestly I'm kind of glad they haven't tried to force it to stay that way.
And while we're on the topic, let's be real, 1.45m is already well past "amazing". The bar was set high with their first campaign, but let's not peak too early. It wouldn't surprise me if it was intended to go at a bit of a trot for now. 50k here, 100k there, and then let it ramp up in the last week or so. Right now the word is getting out, people are hearing about the campaign and seeing the limited slots and yeah it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people stuck with $1/$100 until we get closer to the end.
This can be a variety of reasons in action; international backers waiting to see what the actual calculator says their pledge should cost to ship (as opposed to the estimate we have now, solid as that may be), waiting to see what the 'best deal' will be in the add ons, and simply people not wanting to mess with their total repeatedly over the coming weeks.
To that end, the pledge manager may be working slightly against them at this point, as a lot of backers may simply not care about adding towards stretch goals and are willing to wait until that pops up so they can fiddle around with their funds and total numbers without further adjustments necessary due to a potentially crazy number of stretch goals I imagine we're all half expecting to be out there.
Long story short, I agree it'd be nice to be clearing goals a bit more quickly and seeing what else is on the horizon (people keep dropping hints about Terrain and that's my primary interest, personally), but I think after the issues they mentioned having last time, they're approaching this one in a very methodical manner, and that shows they learned a lot, which isn't something we should really be complaining about.
It was a pre KS1 release, so you may have missed it (I dont think it was an addon at all).
Automatically Appended Next Post: But yes, there is definately room for more bugs...just not sure if there is room for another vermin within this campaign. Maybe along with one of there freaking huge spiders or demon bugs. Vermin, while popular are not the sort of thing that get too many people excited.
Yeah, I was all over the first kickstarter and the bugs. I was mostly hoping for something larger of the 8-legged variety.(I wonder if they'll let you add on from single in the $50 expansion? Army of Scorpions, here I come!)
Phobos wrote: Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.
A backer crunched the numbers and said that the first-day stretch goals were set at 5% above the current pledge, while later ones were 10% above. Also, the pledges are set up suchthat the sooner you pledge, the sooner you get your stuff. However, about 10% of backers chose the $1 option, hampering the funding numbers. We had a +10K bump when the first expansion was completed, so maybe the expansions do increase funding. Average pledge per backer is $129 vs. $194 last KS, but the last KS didn't have the $1 miniatures level. I'm *guessing* that the next bump up will be when the pledge manager is released, so internationals can make an estimate of how much shipping to add.
@Sinful: Reaper said that backers cannot order individual miniatures / groups from the Expansions. ): But there's always retail!
fullheadofhair wrote: I moved my pledge to the $1 for the add ones. I have to admit that what is now in the core set just isn't appealling enough barring a few mini's. I am more excited by the add-ons. Atm the ratio of good Reaper mini's to "meh" and "oh god, why did that get made" isn't improving enough for me to stay.
Personally, I would rather they dropped out some of the crappy ones in there and stick a dragon in there.
I was hoping it was going to improve but a couple of dragons and a few extra bits will be it I think.
Even a fairly conservative estimate is that you will get another 4 goals added into the core, with more likely 6 or 7. That means that a whole lot of extra stuff is still in play being still 19 days from the end of this campaign. I would think that if you were thinking of the core at all, you might want to at least wait till we get closer till the end before you stick a fork in it.
I get that, but what is being added isn't that appealing and most of the adds are "pay for it" ones and the expansion is starting to look better than the core. I will see what the next expansion is, but as I said overall this particular campaign isn't as appealing as the last one in the models that are being selected and the way we have to pay for them.
As always, just my opinion - I know others are really happy with it.
You also have problems with the wait and see crowd. Right now, the large majority of backers simply pledged the base line amount in order to get their spot in line and are going to come back near the end to adjust their final pledge amount. The pledge per backer is only $125. Chances are the final number will be closer to $225 or $250 (quite possibly much higher depending on how many people get one of everything). That could be an extra $1.5 million just with the current backers pledges. You will even have some who feel no need to come back around as they assume they will be able to add money in much later through a pledge manager.
People often miss that important aspect of these campaigns. New goals only come from pledged dollars, and they must be pledged during the campaign to unlock anything. That is why I always remind people to just figure out what they think they might pledge in the end (speculation on releases and finances..I know) and place that. It will help to move everything forward and you dont end up spending a lot of time ho-humming about it.
I'm part of that "wait and see" crowd. I usually go into these things nowadays with as much as I'm comfortable with on Day 1 (if I can get an early bird, these days) and then let it ride until the end when I'll make an actual decision either way. In the case of this campaign, I'm not nearly as taken with it as with the first one for a whole variety of reasons, which have combined to the extent of me being unsure if I'll stay in at all. If I do, it'll likely be in the range of $300+, but at the moment, I can't say whether I'll even stay in. With that in mind, sitting at $100 is right for me.
Even a fairly conservative estimate is that you will get another 4 goals added into the core, with more likely 6 or 7. That means that a whole lot of extra stuff is still in play being still 19 days from the end of this campaign. I would think that if you were thinking of the core at all, you might want to at least wait till we get closer till the end before you stick a fork in it.
With some campaigns I've dropped down to $1 on that last day when I make the final decision. On others I raise or lower as appropriate. Yet others I've been unsure, but kept an eye on, then come in with a decently large pledge literally in the last day. At this point, Bones II is literally neither compelling enough for me to add in any more (even speculative shipping) nor annoying enough for me to drop out (especially since I'll lose my "place in line" if I do so.) I'm content to wait for now and not fiddle with it.
"The purple core set has a total cost in metal (except the ones already available in bones, which are priced here as in their bones format) of $787.98, not including 32 new figures which are not yet priced. I'm going to average and extrapolate that out.
142 minis in core - 32 unpriced = 110 priced
$787.98/110 = $7.16 average price
$7.16 x 32 = $229.23 approximate price for the 32 unpriced minis
Total cost for core set in metal = 787.98 + 229.23 = $1017.21 (approximate)
So we can figure from this that the approximate price for every figure in here when they are released as Bones will be roughly 40% (this figure is based on what KS1 bones prices ended up at) of $1017.21, or $406.
This price again is approximate, but you could safely say that buying the entire set 1 mini at a time in Bones would cost you roughly $400USD."
I'll add this
since Reaper sells the KS1 vampire box at a discount I suspect you'll be able to pick up the KS2 box at some point in the future for about $300USD)
back to Ronald X
"As far as the Core Expansion, the total cost to buy that one in metal is $406.80. [...] It's bones equivalent at an estimated 40% value is $162.72. Your $50 pledge is getting you what would cost you roughly $160 to buy if you did it later on."
(again I'll predict you'll be able to pick up the whole box from reaper at a discount, so probably $120 or so)
Yep, over metal prices, the savings are huge. Since Reaper roughly uses the metal price to calculate the retail price, the savings on larger items tends to be even greater.
There is definately a greater incentive still for skirmish gamers and RPG players (in particular DMs), but a lot of figures have been released in batches of 3 or more which makes them pretty friendly when building armies (more would still be better).
In other news, the campaign itself is still chugging along at a pretty descent clip. Since yesterday about this time it added $45K, and today is on track to do about the same or a little better. In the first campaign they managed to increase the pledge amount every day after the first few, so hopefully this will start a trend in a upwards as opposed to flat trajectory which could put it in good shape for a $6 million finish or so.
Sometimes the illusion of progress is more important than the actual progress. Every day that Bones hits a stretch goal feels like a success. Every day that Bones fails to make a single stretch goal makes it feel like the campaign has stalled out, which can lead people to drop pledges because they don't think many interesting minis will be added to the core set. "Successful" days breed consumer confidence and "failure" days breed doubt.
If Reaper just put out updates with new images--WIPs, design sketches, pictures of Bryan sitting at a desk, whatever, it would probably help the illusion that something is happening.
I'm dropping my Early Bird (September Delivery) pledge on this, if anyone on Dakka would like to snap it up, PM me with your skype address and a GMT time that you'll be online so we can sort out me dropping my pledge and you camping the page and snapping it up in real-time.
EDIT: Successfully dropped, and claimed by Laughing Man.
Nice enough KS, but $80+ shipping and duty is too high (I have never seen fees this high, not even from kickstarters like Secret Weapon, which is shipping stuff that is far, far, heavier.. the only logical conclusion is that they could sort something out, but feel like it wouldn't be an efficient use of capital and might risk the KS becoming too big compared to focusing on US-only), and I don't get any choice over what I'm getting, so around 60% of the models would be ebay/trade fodder.
I'll cherrypick whatever I want off ebay from other people's packages when they're delivered. Some nice minis that I want in there, but they don't add up to $180.
Lastly.. if you see a correlation between an existing figure and the Bones 2 Kickstarter, Greg would appreciate a heads up so he can update the graphic.
Anyway, not sure about a stretch being reached today...still got a way to go.
One thing that is interesting is that this campaign seems to surge about $10k righf before and after a goal is reached. Other campaigns do as well, but with those it tends to be a few hundred to a thousand dollars.
I honestly wish they'd send out some kind of daily update, just to have the illusion of progress being made. I know things keep climbing, but I love seeing those emails from Reaper (and secretly hoping they have photos of new things to spend money on).
It slices, it dices, it… Yeah, yeah, I know, enough prattle.
For those of you returning it should be self-explanatory, but for those of you new to our Kickstarter here’s how it works.
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Yep. One more thing! Per Kickstarter policy you’re limited to no more than 10 of the same item. There will be no exceptions so please don’t ask. Anyway, painting 10 of the same thing would get boring ☺
Looking good. Tossed in my info, selected a single Dungeon deco pack add on for $10, it gave me a S&H of another $6-7. Tossing another 10 on for the gelatinous cube only bumped it up a little.
The $100 pack was $33 in S&H, significantly less rough than I'd anticipated it being. Still don't think I really need 120+ odd figures, but having missed Reaper one, it'd be a hell of a pile in case I ever ran a D&D crew again.
That swamp thing set for 8 dollars is a pretty good deal, considering that troll alone runs around 30 dollars or so. Plus he's one of those metal and resin hybrids that don't want to go together well.
Might get another and swarm the swamps with the frogs and turtles since it doesn't look like there's any other reptiles on the horizon (I'm not going to count the dragons). Yet.
I'll probably grab the expansion. I just worry about the inevitable expansion 2 as well.
I'm thinking we should probably hit that slinky dragon stretch in the next few hours.
Hopefully with the pledge calculator live it will keep things going at a little more steady clip.
I'm very curious as to how much they'll bring in if they do end up offering Warlord infantry packs as add ons. Cavalry too, since we know that's coming.
Ahh good to see they put this up. For 3 Krakens the shipping to Australia is only $15. That's very reasonable imho. Will likely take the dungeon decor from the starter box too.
Should see more people pledging now they have the full calculator sorted.
Yeah, really liking the ability to buy parts of the Core set separately. Dungeon Decor 1 & 2 for $23 shipped isn't too shabby. Have to keep an eye out for more terrain stuff to spruce up the 3 Dwarven Forge KS sets I've got coming.
ironicsilence wrote: Back on topic, are there any models that jump out that people most want to see included in this KS?
IMEF marines. I want more poses. I'm a bit disappointed they're offering stuff that's already available. Although on the flipside, I'd like to get that giant undead dragon at the kickstarter price.
A little annoyed there are so many dragons included, and the figures don't really seem too well sculpted this time around. But I'm sure fantasy fans want tons of dragons, and in any case, I'm sure they'll offer more stuff.
Would love to see more Chronoscope and sci-fi, though.
Yeah, this thing has just been crawling along, I've had zero interest in anything at all since we hit the $1million mark. I like that you can double up on the subsets now, BonesI had that from the very start, not sure why Bones II waited so long for it.
I think Reaper overestimated how successful their new "Master of the House"* add-on policy was going to be. Also, durned furriners.
*Master of the House (stretch goal -- $12)
Quick to catch your eye (stretch goal -- part of $50 expansion)
Never wants a passer-by (stretch goal -- 6 for $10)
to pass him by.
Charge 'em for the lice (stretch goal -- added to vermin expansion, $50)
Extra for the mice (stretch goal -- 10 for $15)
Two percent for looking in the mirror twice (stretch goal -- adds mirror to dungeon dressing, 8 pieces for $15)
Here a little slice (stretch goal -- 4 slicers and one coked-up rat stripper, $10)
There a little cut (stretch goal -- core expansion no one wants)
Three percent for sleeping with the window shut! (stretch goal -- added to dungeon dressing, 9 pieces for $15)
When it comes to fixing prices,
there are lots of tricks Reaper knows.
How it all increases--
All those bits and pieces--
Jebus, it's amazing how slowly the campaign grows!
The sad thing is I haven't seen or heard Les Miserables in years, but the song jumped straight to the forefront of my thoughts as soon as I read that first line.
I will never admit to spending formative years of my early adolescence listening to the soundtrack to Les Mes over and over again on cassette while reading old D&D campaign books and pouring over Ral Partha, Citadel, and Grenadier catalogs when no one else was home...ahh, the secret life of a closet nerd.
WERESHARK! AND MERMAIDS!!! Those mermaids look like they would be a ton of fun to paint.(I'd post the images but I'm on my phone)
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And after that, We've got a some Deep-Sea friends ready to come play!
At $1,824,000, these 5 models, including the massive Wereshark, the sea hag, two Kelpies, and a mermaid vampire (or demon-blood mermaid, or just evil mermaid!) will be ready to join your increasing Core Set - you don't need to do anything to get these additional rewards! Once we reach this goal, they will be automatically included in your Core Set reward!
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Never admit? Les Mis is my favourite musical, and I don't care who knows it!
Anyway, 28-50k per day isn't shattering records, but I remain a believer that this is simply the slow burn. Steady progress upwards, giving people time to spread the word.
I suspect around the final week will be where it starts getting hectic, and the last 2 days (when the reminder emails go out) will simply get out of hand.
Given how transparent they were about the costs they incurred during the last campaign, I still think it speaks highly of them to spread things out a little, build in a bit of a buffer early. They're approaching 12k backers, which I believe is around 3/4 the number of the last campaign and they still have over 2 weeks to go.
Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to see this explode and watch multiple stretch goals unlock in an hour, but it's not sustainable until the end is nigh anyway, so why worry?
That said, I'm definitely appreciating the calculator. Looks like I can double up on the two dungeon decor sets for barely any increase in S&H. If I was going to give a suggestion for Bones 3 (assuming there will be one), it'd be to have said calculator ready at launch. It'd allay a lot of fears (and save a lot of forum pages) to know exactly what "actual shipping" means.
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Verocithrax: Dragon Lord of the Abyssal, Spawn of Chaos, The Nightmare Wyrm can now be added to your rewards simply by increasing your pledge by $15!
To help you calculate your new pledge, you can use this link:
https://ks.reapermini.com/ Simply register or log in, and start playing around! It won't permanently lock in your choices at this time, it's a tool to help you calculate your pledge and (if applicable) postage.
We're working on unlcoking the last part of Expansion #1 now! That's a lot of incredibly cool models!
And after that, We've got a some Deep-Sea friends ready to come play!
At $1,824,000, these 5 models, including the massive Wereshark, the sea hag, two Kelpies, and a mermaid vampire (or demon-blood mermaid, or just evil mermaid!) will be ready to join your increasing Core Set - you don't need to do anything to get these additional rewards! Once we reach this goal, they will be automatically included in your Core Set reward!
Use this icon to show off your proud support of Bones II!
To make it easier for you to track, purple images will be added to your Core Set, ochre ones are Expansion 1, and orange ones will be available as additional rewards simply by increasing your pledge - the Pledge Claculator can help you keep track of it all at https://ks.reapermini.com/
Follow along with us on the map, as Mister Bones goes Trick-or-Treating, and be sure to follow us on twitter @Reapermini, talk about the Kickstarter using #ReaperBones, Like us on FaceBook, and join our forums at reapermini.com/forum to join in the conversation!
I posted my comments on the message board but I doubt anyone saw it as it got drowned in a sea of nonsense.
I seriously hope that wereshark is molded with the correct right arm.
My copy, and every copy I've seen in my three somewhat local stores has had the arm from one of the smaller weresharks included instead. I had to contact reaper to make sure I got the right arm. Hope they have it corrected.
While the mermaids are nice, I would have preferred nothing but sharkmen. I guess with the kelpies and mermaids you get a lot more variety and versatility for RPG players. Except most people seem most excited about the wereshark.
I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.
I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.
There's some new sculpts, but no Chronoscope or IMEF marines.
Azazelx wrote: Look at the bright side, Chris - there's more zombies in again this time!
They're not 28mm scale modern zombies, or fantasy zombies that could pass for modern zombies. I don't know what's the issue, how hard would it be to make five generic zombies that you could collect a ton of in Bones? You could just fob it off to some trainee sculptors even, they don't have to be perfect.
While the mermaids are nice, I would have preferred nothing but sharkmen. I guess with the kelpies and mermaids you get a lot more variety and versatility for RPG players. Except most people seem most excited about the wereshark.
The wereshark is definitely the highlight of that stretch goal. I'm sure there are a few people clapping over the kelpies, but I don't know them and I don't want to know them. The less said about SeaNagash, the better. (I'm surprised they didn't choose to spend thousands tooling a model that doesn't make people sad.)
Altogether, this update fills me with an emotion that isn't joy, but isn't unhappiness, either. I feel a sense of holistic okayness.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: The sad thing is I haven't seen or heard Les Miserables in years, but the song jumped straight to the forefront of my thoughts as soon as I read that first line.
I will never admit to spending formative years of my early adolescence listening to the soundtrack to Les Mes over and over again on cassette while reading old D&D campaign books and pouring over Ral Partha, Citadel, and Grenadier catalogs when no one else was home...ahh, the secret life of a closet nerd.
I must have gone to the right school. We had a field trip to see Les Miserables. Everyone was singing that song for months.
Eeeh. I can't say I'm terribly thrilled with those undersea things. The shark is kind of cool, but the rest are rather boring. If we're going to get sea based life, give me more of those fish guys like we had from Bones I or that were included at the very beginning of this one. Those guys are way cooler.
Chris, I am totally with you on wanting more sci-fi or Chronoscope stuff. The existing urban zombies from Chronoscope would be wonderful to have in plastic and there's a nice variety to them, too.
Deepwars has got you covered for all your fishmen needs.
I too wish we'd get more Tiiks or whatever Reaper calls those dudes. Or even just more weird bipedal fish monstrosities. Like were sunfishes, or something strange. Eel men.
I know my daughter will probably want the kelpies. I guess we'll find a use for them.
The extra bases on the other hand... those I can always use.
Sean_OBrien wrote: They have also added the option to add multiples of the various stretch goals:
Mmmm, that's nice, as I'd only want some of the figs. However, I'd have to take a "Wave 7" $1 pledge to be able to pledge for them, whereas if they'd had these options listed at the beginning I could've done so then.
I think the wave shipping is a good, realistic idea for on-time fulfillment, but it does deter later pledges...
I think I would have prefered more "Costal" monsters, than undersea, per say. Things like Sea Hags, and giants.
Those are kinda meh, imo, but they are free in my pledge. I'm looking forward to what we are going to see in Expansion 2, as that seems to be where they are keeping all the awesome minis!
Mmmm, that's nice, as I'd only want some of the figs. However, I'd have to take a "Wave 7" $1 pledge to be able to pledge for them, whereas if they'd had these options listed at the beginning I could've done so then.
I think the wave shipping is a good, realistic idea for on-time fulfillment, but it does deter later pledges...
Well, a KS with stretch goals works best with pledges earlier than later. That builds the momentum as the stretch goals are hit.
The drawback of listing options is committing to them and the goal amounts. Not listing them allows the creator to change goals during the campaign, as well as the stretch goal amounts to reach them.
KS is really for the creators, not the backers. Blah blah blah artificial scarcity blah blah blah.
Anyway, $1 will get you 50 bases for $10, free shipping in US. You have to wait a *long* time (you could ask if they can be shipped earlier b/c they're not Bonesium), though.
To be fair, the difference between Wave 1 and Wave 7 is currently 3 months. Yeah, it's a considerable chunk of time, but that seems pretty reasonable for spacing out around 14,000 orders.
After calculating the shipping, i dont think 200 bucks are that much for Core + Expansion 1. Anyone know how Reaper staff is about paing via Paypal? Or about solving "personal issues" about money?
I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.
I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.
There's some new sculpts, but no Chronoscope or IMEF marines.
Azazelx wrote: Look at the bright side, Chris - there's more zombies in again this time!
They're not 28mm scale modern zombies, or fantasy zombies that could pass for modern zombies. I don't know what's the issue, how hard would it be to make five generic zombies that you could collect a ton of in Bones? You could just fob it off to some trainee sculptors even, they don't have to be perfect.
--Chris
chris valera (.com) have you seen Studio Miniatures hard plastic zombies?
The Dwarf Wolf wrote: After calculating the shipping, i dont think 200 bucks are that much for Core + Expansion 1. Anyone know how Reaper staff is about paing via Paypal? Or about solving "personal issues" about money?
Pretty flexible, plus last time around they had a late comer option open for about a month where people who missed the KS could get in at a small premium (think it was 25% over KS rates). Contact ReaperBryan and explain your situation and he will probably be able to give you a heads up on what they have planned.
With Global campaigns like this...payments become an issue for a variety of reasons, and Reaper tend to be pretty acomodating.
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Forar wrote: To be fair, the difference between Wave 1 and Wave 7 is currently 3 months. Yeah, it's a considerable chunk of time, but that seems pretty reasonable for spacing out around 14,000 orders.
I don't recall if it was a post on the Reaper boards, the KS comments or in conversation - but the lead times on the shipments are greatly padded this time around. They believe they should be able to have things shipped much faster than the Waves would indicate - but in order to prevent possible hang ups along the way, they have gone ahead and added in a few extra months beyond what they are expecting it will take.
I think the wave shipping is a good, realistic idea for on-time fulfillment, but it does deter later pledges...
Or it encourages them to get inline earlier rather than risk being in Wave 20 and waiting till after ReaperCon sometime in 2015.
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Kalamadea wrote: Yeah, this thing has just been crawling along, I've had zero interest in anything at all since we hit the $1million mark. I like that you can double up on the subsets now, BonesI had that from the very start, not sure why Bones II waited so long for it.
I wouldn't consider it to be crawling along - rather a descent clip...it is just the stretch goals are fairly high due to the front end loading. In the past few days it has made more than most Kick Starters make in there whole campaign. Really, the first 24 hours was about $1 million and change - since then they have raised over half a million dollars.
Also, with Bones I, they didn't introduce the duplicates till around this time in it as well.
Actually sooner in terms of total days - but still about half way through the campaign. It works to help get a push of pledges in the middle of the campaign when the stretch goals start to get pretty far apart.
Sean_OBrien wrote: I don't recall if it was a post on the Reaper boards, the KS comments or in conversation - but the lead times on the shipments are greatly padded this time around. They believe they should be able to have things shipped much faster than the Waves would indicate - but in order to prevent possible hang ups along the way, they have gone ahead and added in a few extra months beyond what they are expecting it will take.
I think the wave shipping is a good, realistic idea for on-time fulfillment, but it does deter later pledges...
Or it encourages them to get inline earlier rather than risk being in Wave 20 and waiting till after ReaperCon sometime in 2015.
We seemed destined to disagree! But no, I don't think having your $1 "foot in the door" pledge be Wave 7 currently necessarily encourages folks to jump in line... rather, it might make them decide to wait till retail anyway.
As I said, if they'd let people know that you could add on individual parts of the set from day 1 (and the prices)... I would've been sorely tempted to pledge then. As it is, they put out that information late and thus I'd be in Wave 7 if I pledged... I really can't see how that could be viewed as "encouragement" to pledge!
Kalamadea wrote: Yeah, this thing has just been crawling along, I've had zero interest in anything at all since we hit the $1million mark. I like that you can double up on the subsets now, BonesI had that from the very start, not sure why Bones II waited so long for it.
I wouldn't consider it to be crawling along - rather a descent clip...it is just the stretch goals are fairly high due to the front end loading. In the past few days it has made more than most Kick Starters make in there whole campaign. Really, the first 24 hours was about $1 million and change - since then they have raised over half a million dollars.
Also, with Bones I, they didn't introduce the duplicates till around this time in it as well.
Actually sooner in terms of total days - but still about half way through the campaign. It works to help get a push of pledges in the middle of the campaign when the stretch goals start to get pretty far apart.
I'm very aware that Bones II is bringing in a LOT of money per day (much more money than most kickstarters even finish with), but when the stretch goals are this high and alternating between 3 types (core set, addon and expansion set) well, it's been over a week since I saw anything to get excited about. I don't find the the latest reveal to be much better than the 5 pathfinder baddies, so it'll be probably another 500k before there's a chance that the core set will get something I personally find interesting.
They aren't bad figures at all, they're just kind of niche. Would much rather have seen the sea creatures as a paid addon and some generic monsters and NPCs added to the core, or maybe the sea creatures as addon and the Lords of Darkness or the Oh Rats! in the core set.
Pace picked up. 70K yesterday. * Pledge manager released * Prices of extras announced * Stretch goal hit * Bases stretch goal added at a lower stretch goal number
It's all artificial scarcity. KS is for the creator, not the backer, and the creator can add and delay goodies at their own pace, to control the momentum of the KS. My guess is that Reaper was working on the Pledge Manager and international shipping for the core set (I think they have the set pretty much fully planned, because the shipping for the core set is known -- and larger than the total of the core extras) for the last few days, and let the rate of pledge rate fall. Now that they have the international shipping settled, they can focus on the funding.
So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
I would have to question your sources.
Disregarding things which are opinion - they take paint great. You do have to watch out if you plan on priming them and use a primer with an aggressive solvent as it can react with the plastic. Personally I have been skipping primer entirely and just applying my base coat straight to the raw plastic. In my case I do use an airbrush which allows me to thin the base coat down quite a bit and apply it very thin. If you do try to base coat with a brush though, you can get some beading if your paints are thinned too much.
The rest largely ends up being opinion. The material is generally more flexible than other materials used for miniatures (metal, resin, HIPS...). This can be a downside in some cases, but an upside in others. Doing things like painting the inside of a dragons mouth is much easier as I can just pry it open and get right in there. Spears however are not so good in soft plastic - though I have just been swapping those with metal shafts and GS points.
Detail is generally good. It isn't as crisp as the metal masters are, though I strongly believe that that has more to do with the tooling than with the material. Generally speaking anything larger than man sized has excellent detail. Smaller things tend to have the greatest degree of loss - though to be honest in the vast majority of cases you would be hard pressed to identify the Bones miniature from the metal one once they are painted (without picking them up that is).
To be honest though, we are still a couple of weeks from the end of the campaign and you are in the US. Reaper figures are easy to get here, and almost every hobby shop I have been in in the past few months has had some Bones figures in them. You can pick up a couple for yourself and see how you like it. For a few bucks spent, you can make up your own mind and then decide if you want to pledge. It isn't for everyone - but then again you still have people who haven't gotten over the change from lead based to lead free pewter miniatures either...
I'll see if my local has anything. I am not hopeful. Dude barely stocks GW even. I do use Krylon as my spray primer, I don't think it's aggressive... not sure how I'd check that though. I do brush paint, which is another argument imho for priming. Especially for models like say... that dragon I want. Or the turtle dragon in the core set where the paint job is gonna get complex.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I'll see if my local has anything. I am not hopeful. Dude barely stocks GW even. I do use Krylon as my spray primer, I don't think it's aggressive... not sure how I'd check that though. I do brush paint, which is another argument imho for priming. Especially for models like say... that dragon I want. Or the turtle dragon in the core set where the paint job is gonna get complex.
Don't use Kylon primers except for maybe the dual Paint + Primer.
Primer info from the Reaper forums:
Recommended aerosol spray primers and paints:
Army Painter white and colored primers
Krylon Dual Paint + Primer
Duplicolor Sandable – slight tackiness possible
Rust-oleam Painter’s Touch Ultra Cover 2x – slight tackiness possible
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
I don't know where you heard that. Bones is my second-favorite medium, after plastic, because it looks great, paints well and is very easy to work with.
There might be some detail loss on the very small and intricate models (mostly the women), but 95% of the Bones 1 minis were amazing. I had a lot of the minis in metal already (dwarfs, time chasers, some of the elves), and the difference in detail is unnoticeable for most of them. Honestly, if the loss of superfine details is that much of an issue for you, you probably shouldn't be looking at Reaper sculpts to begin with.
As far as painting them up goes, I've painted more Bones models than all other kinds combined in the last 5 years. I wash them in dish soapy water, scrub them with a tooth brush and then let them dry. I don't even prime them. I just paint an undiluted layer of paint (GW's Foundation paints, usually) over them and then paint them like any other model. I'm not the most talented painter in the world, so maybe that's why they don't seem to be an issue for me. However, my wife is a better painter than I am and she's had no complaints at all, except to wonder how she will paint Cthulhu's floppy tentacles.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
I would have to question your sources.
Disregarding things which are opinion - they take paint great. You do have to watch out if you plan on priming them and use a primer with an aggressive solvent as it can react with the plastic. Personally I have been skipping primer entirely and just applying my base coat straight to the raw plastic. In my case I do use an airbrush which allows me to thin the base coat down quite a bit and apply it very thin. If you do try to base coat with a brush though, you can get some beading if your paints are thinned too much.
The rest largely ends up being opinion. The material is generally more flexible than other materials used for miniatures (metal, resin, HIPS...). This can be a downside in some cases, but an upside in others. Doing things like painting the inside of a dragons mouth is much easier as I can just pry it open and get right in there. Spears however are not so good in soft plastic - though I have just been swapping those with metal shafts and GS points.
Detail is generally good. It isn't as crisp as the metal masters are, though I strongly believe that that has more to do with the tooling than with the material. Generally speaking anything larger than man sized has excellent detail. Smaller things tend to have the greatest degree of loss - though to be honest in the vast majority of cases you would be hard pressed to identify the Bones miniature from the metal one once they are painted (without picking them up that is).
To be honest though, we are still a couple of weeks from the end of the campaign and you are in the US. Reaper figures are easy to get here, and almost every hobby shop I have been in in the past few months has had some Bones figures in them. You can pick up a couple for yourself and see how you like it. For a few bucks spent, you can make up your own mind and then decide if you want to pledge. It isn't for everyone - but then again you still have people who haven't gotten over the change from lead based to lead free pewter miniatures either...
@KalashnikovMarine: When not fully primed, the bones pieces can be a real pain to paint (especially if you mix paint with water rather than thinner). Generally speaking the detail is quite soft at times but still passable. Sometimes the flexibility does work against it on smaller flimsy models (halflings etc) because they will always assume their original pose after being exposed to warm/hot conditions. So if for example your model comes bent drastically forward at the ankles, you'll have to spend some time reposing it with the hot/cold treatment to make sure it doesn't bend back after exposure to the elements. However on larger models (say the beholder and larger) it does end up working greatly in its favour.
Personally I find them drastically above quality of most of the prepainted D&D figures you can find, and are generally speaking create a decent painting surface after priming, but don't pile on the paint because areas like chainmail or faces sometime do have only very slight indentation for detail.
For their average price per model some of them are absolute gems (for example: pretty much every civilian model) but others are quite specialized and tend to polarize (pathfinder models, creatures etc) people. In all honesty they're not fine detailed resin quality, but they will serve pretty much every purpose unless you're trying to enter a high-quality painting competition with one (in which case you have your work cut out for you certainly). Best of all they are very durable, though I don't tend to throw them around a couple have survived being trodden on accidently (only the bases cracked, not the models thankfully).
It's value however is entirely subjective, you have to see if the pledge + shipping + extras meets your requirements for that price tag before going ahead.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
I painted Dain Deepaxe from LTPK5 vs. his Bones counterpart. The Bones model had more mold lines, comes pre-assembled (bleah), and the mold had a mistake (daggar-sized triangle on his chainmail). But I ended up with a better paint job with the Bones model, since painted the Bones model several months later. In other words, if you're looking for display-level miniatures skip Bones. If you're still learning to paint, or are a tabletop-level painter, metal will not help you more than Bones.
Since these are all new models, Reaper's tossing in more unusual ones than in the last KS. Also, the figures are larger and they don't have the $25 Sophie trade-in (which effectively reduced the last KS Vampire to $75), so you're not going to get as many figures for your $100.
Still, if you're looking for a "bulk purchase" of unique fantasy sculpts (and I certainly am), this is the best miniatures KS for it. Quite a few backers mentioned how they missed KS1 and don't want to miss this one.
EDIT: Also, Bones do not need priming. You can always paint your first coat the same color as your primer, or, better yet, an undercoat that best suits your figure.
I've personally not had any issue with bones other than a single model in my Bones I which had a missing face (but it was a hooded model which was fugly to begin with so it didn't matter ).
The only problem I had was I like to paint mainly with washes and bones does not take wash at all without a base layer of paint, so I did have to prime them.
Bones are what finally brought me back to the hobby fold.
I'm at the point where I'm about ready to just chuck all my prepaints and replace them with Bones. I think that I can paint just as crappy as some kid stuck in a sweatshop!
I don't bother priming- I just slap the paint straight on them. I don't think I've ever cleaned one either. Thinned paint will be a problem though- don't do it too much.
Otherwise they rock. My computer desk is littered with them in various states of painting. My kids are constantly playing with them, and they are ROUGH. Bones are all still sitting pretty, despite the bumps, dings, bangs, and thumps they constantly take.
I don't see the loss of detail as a huge issue. I suck at painting so I probably would have globbed over a bunch of those little nuances as it is.
If you're painting for presentation rather than play, I can see Bones not being as great of choice. But they're cheap, they've got a lot of variety, they paint up nicely,
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
The PVC plastic used to make the bones is hydrophobic - this means water beads up on the minis. So, if you water your basecoat down, you'll get bad coverage and the paint won't take. Same result if you just slap a wash on.
However, it takes undiluted paint well. Just wash them in soapy water, dry them, and base coat them. Once the base coat is on you can thin your paint down however you like.
Like the other folks have said, buy a couple to see for yourself. I don't think there is anything on the market that can beat their quality at their price point.
I haven't had issues with mine. I primed with Army Painter Skeleton Bone or whatever it is called, and it works nicely. Unprimed, you REALLY gotta scrub them with a tooth brush and that helps with the beading issue. Really though, just prime them.
Past that, the quality is good if not as nice as metal in some cases. For the price though, really fantastic. And really, unless you are a top end painter, it probably won't make much difference in the finished piece
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I'm currently in for The $12 add on dragon, the core set and I'm thinking about grabbing the core set expansion. I hear tell that the Bones, even for their price... aren't exactly the best, and don't take paint very well. I suppose I'm just trying to talk myself out of $162.... any one have more info? Especially someone who pledged on the last Bones KS?
I think they take paint pretty well. IMO, they dont paint super well "out of the box" like some say, at least with the paints I use (mainly P3). I prime them w vallejo primer through an airbrush, and it works great. Plus the paint jobs are resilient as hell, better than plastic from what I can tell. I didnt find the mold lines hard to clean up, just use an xacto to slice off the flash rather than a file. I think there's a psychological benefit to their cheapness, as I blasted through my 26 orc horde in like 2-3 days of casual painting. Paying under a buck each didnt leave me agonizing if I did the best paint job I could. I just wanted some throw down bad dudes, which is what I got.
As for quality... its lower than metal, but not by a ton. For a player character/hero model I wouldnt use them (savng a buck or two isnt a big deal on a guy you use every session), but they work awesome as grunts. And big models dont really seem to suffer any loss of detail. I have three of the dragons I got in bones, and after priming and doing some prelim work, I dont notice much difference. Certainly not for the MASSIVE price discount. All in all, a good KS, and one I think good for the hobby in the long run. Hvaing a cheap source of minis beginners dont feel intimidated to start on is nice. And from what I saw, Bones 1 got a lot of people into or back in the mini gaming world.
For me the greateast issues with bones are the bendind swords and spears. Spears are not so problematic, as you only need a metal shaft and some drill work. But the swords are a pain, but the "hot-cold" treatment works.
The Dwarf Wolf wrote: For me the greateast issues with bones are the bendind swords and spears. Spears are not so problematic, as you only need a metal shaft and some drill work. But the swords are a pain, but the "hot-cold" treatment works.
Do a search on "plasticard weapons". Plenty of info, even for non-Bones converting!
Shipping to me is $45-ish and doesn't go up much when I add stuff. Pretty reasonable. But I'm afraid I'll still end up dropping this entirely in favour of Mars Attacks.
I have gotten my children into painting with them. They love it, and I love being able to go to a FLGS and let them dig through the racks and pick the one they want to paint. With a price of $1.99 to $2.99 each, I don't have a problem with buying them local instead of online.
Hell, I started painting again with Bones. The other stuff that I want to paint is too expensive to practice on.
I'm shocked how many people seem to be "holding off" as per the standard KS tactic. When getting your stuff sooner is on the line, why do I still hear a buzz that folks are waiting?
Earth Dragon wrote: I'm shocked how many people seem to be "holding off" as per the standard KS tactic. When getting your stuff sooner is on the line, why do I still hear a buzz that folks are waiting?
You got me on that one.
Why wait? It's not like there won't be a fair amount more added to the pot before all is said and done.
Maybe it's the perceived value? There isn't enough in the core set to make them happy? The add ons don't have enough "oomph" to them?
I'm going to assume it's because their all waiting for cavalry, fodder infantry, and lots of reptiles that aren't dragons.
I think so many make it standard policy to only sign up in the last few days. I've heard a dozen people here on dakka dakka say as much. I think the policy is just misplaced on this one.
Others could of course be waiting on something they want for sure, but we'll surely see the same explosion at the end.
The last week for this should be record breaking. The CEO of Paizo has stated that they will be sending out their official support email then. Combine that with the normal rush at the end and I wouldn't be surprised to see it come pretty close to doubling the record they set the first time around.
I'll bet against that, Sean... I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks. I definitely think it will match the first campaign's total, and likely exceed it... but I definitely don't think it will double it, or anywhere close to that. That'd be 7 million and I just don't think there's the audience of gamers on KS, despite the cross appeal to different types of gamers that this tends to bring.
I'm betting 4 million... which would still be absolutely insane, of course. And it already is, really!
Earth Dragon wrote: I'm shocked how many people seem to be "holding off" as per the standard KS tactic. When getting your stuff sooner is on the line, why do I still hear a buzz that folks are waiting?
I'm only in for $25 at this point (Kraken, plus maybe the cube). Am primarily into Sci-fi gaming and so far there is not nearly enough in the core or expansion pledges that interests me enough to pledge higher. Last time there were a lot more pieces with possible sci-fi uses via conversions, etc., and I spent something over $200 (four C'thulus ). Still waiting on this one...
I just made the decision to cancel. The core set just isn't appealing enough and doesn't seem to be getting better - I was tempted to stay in for a few dragons but in the end I thought better of it.
lord_blackfang wrote: Is it just me or is Expansion 2 really, really lousy right now? $50 for 3 cavalry and 4 grunts?
You mean like how Expansion 1 was, before it got boosted up by a fair few stretch-goals?
This is the very beginning of what it will become. I certainly wouldn't want to buy it just yet, but it is a visible way of showing what molds have been earmarked for creation by this kickstarter money.
Hell, if the kickstarted ended right now you might not get a single person to buy a Expansion 2, but there would still be the benefit that the molds would have been paid for so the company can sell them individually to people after the kickstarter ends etc.
Edit: That said, looking back at Update 28 or so, it is looking like the weedy younger brother compared to a Dragon + Extras.
E2 will have *six* options total. It's already worth $15 - $20 retail.
Any thoughts on the second paint set? One backer mentioned the softer colors are good for basing. I'm not sure about the black and white, since I have these hobby color paints already?
fullheadofhair wrote: I just made the decision to cancel. The core set just isn't appealing enough and doesn't seem to be getting better - I was tempted to stay in for a few dragons but in the end I thought better of it.
I may not be far behind you. Especially after hearing the AVP rumors from Prodos.
JWMarines wrote: I feel like the expansion sets should be more single themed. I like the undead in the first expansion, but I don't care for anything else in it.
Kind of where I'm at on the expansion as well; really like the Barrow Wardens, don't have much interest in hardly anything else in there. I think there's just enough in the core set to keep me in, but even it's on the edge at the moment.
I'm sure the crazy final day will improve that though.
Eh, we got some generic town guards and a few random cavalry. Reaper said it themselves that they're going to dole out the stretches to fill this expansion to create a bit more momentum (and less of us whining about things not moving).
When all is said and done there will be plenty in this expansion.
Are there more figures yet this time around compared to the first campaign?
I'm getting pretty meh about it but there is while left so I'll stick around to the end and see if it's still worth it to me or not depending on how my hobby is going at the moment
As much as I don't understand people waiting to pledge until late in the game, I really REALLY don't understand people dropping out this early.
Whether or not you think the deal is worth it right now, the deal is only going to get better. Dropping out on the last day is no different for your wallet than dropping out right now. So why give up your earlier ship date? Dropping out because there aren't enough of a certain type of figure seems crazy. For all you know the last dozen stretch goals will be the exact models you wanted.
Sway wrote: As much as I don't understand people waiting to pledge until late in the game, I really REALLY don't understand people dropping out this early.
Whether or not you think the deal is worth it right now, the deal is only going to get better. Dropping out on the last day is no different for your wallet than dropping out right now. So why give up your earlier ship date? Dropping out because there aren't enough of a certain type of figure seems crazy. For all you know the last dozen stretch goals will be the exact models you wanted.
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Also, I don't think they'll do piece-meal offerings for things in the expansion sets as it might remove the incentive for people to pick those up. I figure the main reason there are set expansions is so that they can have them packed up at the manufacturer just like the base pledge box and it will make shipping calculations and pick/pack/ship easier once everything is in Texas. I do wish they would, even if it costs more per figure to get them separately. The zombies look pretty great.
Exp2 looks like it could get interesting if they don't put too much random crap in it.
czakk wrote: A deal on paint and some bone cavalry. I'm happy. And some shorter stretch goals coming up as well.
We need the thread title updated again
Had an early morning - so didn't have a chance to update it before I left for work. All done now.
nkelsch wrote: Will they itemize the bonus packs too? I want a few of the models of the 50$ part 1.
The word is, yes. The will likely do that around the same time that we move to Expansion #2 - bit of time finalizing graphics and double checking math on costs, plus loading that new data into the pledge calculator thing.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Eh, we got some generic town guards and a few random cavalry. Reaper said it themselves that they're going to dole out the stretches to fill this expansion to create a bit more momentum (and less of us whining about things not moving).
When all is said and done there will be plenty in this expansion.
Are there more figures yet this time around compared to the first campaign?
More figures total - yes, I think so already (would need to recount...but it is pretty close if not). However, the Core package is lower by a good bit still. RIght now there are 140 or so in the core while KS1 finished with 200+ in the core. This one has more add-ons though, which increase the total figure count by a good bit - plus you have the Expansions to the Core which are their own sets.
Even more than the actual figure count though is the sizes. These are generally much bigger than the first time. That first campaign had a lot of things which were smaller than people - this one, not so much. Even the smallest figure this time is still about people sized in a round about way.
Sasori wrote: Yeah, I'm sure expansion 2 will pick up as time goes on. I do wish they had included a little more to get people to start backing it sooner.
That said, I really loved expansion one, so I don't think this one will be any different!
Bunches - assuming my first set of mumblings were correct, this will be a wargamer friendly expansion - both as a way to get some of those things in without upsetting the RPG crowd as well as a way to gauge the wargamer's interest in Bones. Expect to see more like what is there now in terms of more cavalry and sets of figures which are more slanted towards multiples versus single heroes and monsters. Granted they do flex and bend - so those bits I had gathered from a week ago may be different now.
Yeah, I see no reason at all to give up my early bird shipping slot before the last day. It might happen in the final hour or so once the full extent of the core set is more or less revealed, but I *think* there will be just enough in there to be worthwhile.
And if not, one pledge disappearing during the last-day surge will hardly be noticed.
And next we're adding Under the Sea to your Core Set!
But what's after Under the Sea?
How about another set of Paints? These 12 NEW colors were formulated for our Master Series Paint HD line to work with Bones, and an expanded new color palette.
Once Funding is reached, you'll be able to add these new colors for just $18.
Oh! But wait! There's more!
It's been a while since we've added two things at once, so here we go!
This is the opening shot for this Expansion Pack - we'll continue to add more to it as future goals are met! We're opening up with 3 new cavalry models - Ursula, Dwarven Bear Rider, Heroic Crusader Sir Herne, and The Dark Count Lorenth. And adding to the pile is assortment of our Town Guard - perfect for soldiery, militia, mercenaries, or any fighting force! They come equipped with Bow, Crossbow, Spear,or Sword, and are ready to stand watch over the battlements against the demons and dragons you've already unlocked, plus the vile things you know we have coming!
To make it easier for you to track, dark purple images will be added to your Core Set, light purple are Extra copies of those rewards, ochre ones are Expansion 1, orange ones will be available as additional rewards simply by increasing your pledge, and the new Expansion set is on a Blue background! If it gets overwhelming the Pledge Claculator can help you keep track of it all at https://ks.reapermini.com/ It saves your pledge, so you don't have to remember what you werepledging for, but it;s flexible enough that you can make changes to your pledge at any time!
Follow along with us on the map, as Mister Bones goes Trick-or-Treating, and be sure to follow us on twitter @Reapermini, talk about the Kickstarter using #ReaperBones, Like us on FaceBook, and join our forums at reapermini.com/forum to join in the conversation!
The paint deal is something which I would not be surprised if it gets picked up heavily...more than Reaper might be expecting it to. Those HD paints are pretty popular, and this is a pretty cheap way for people to stockpile them. At $1.50 each, I don't think any of the discounters come close to that price.
Of course you also have cavalry, which is something that people have been wanting to see for quite awhile.
That dwarf on a bear is going to fight my Tre Manor goblin on a bear.
Another little mini stretch goal:
Once again we've drawn a Trick- another surprise miniature added to your Core Set!
This time, It's Trick-or-Treat Mr. Bones! If we can reach $1,745,000, every Core Set gets a our little mascot added - there's no need for you to do anything else!
To help you calculate your pledge, you can use this link: https://ks.reapermini.com/ Simply register or log in, and start playing around! It won't permanently lock in your choices at this time, it's a tool to help you calculate your pledge and (if applicable) postage.
To make it easier for you to track, dark purple images will be added to your Core Set, light purple are Extra copies of those rewards, ochre ones are Expansion 1, orange ones will be available as additional rewards simply by increasing your pledge, and Expansion Set #2 is on a Blue background! If it gets overwhelming the Pledge Claculator can help you keep track of it all at https://ks.reapermini.com/ It saves your pledge, so you don't have to remember what you werepledging for, but it;s flexible enough that you can make changes to your pledge at any time!
Follow along with us on the map, as Mister Bones goes Trick-or-Treating, and be sure to follow us on twitter @Reapermini, talk about the Kickstarter using #ReaperBones, Like us on FaceBook, and join our forums at reapermini.com/forum to join in the conversation!
That dwarf on a bear is going to fight my Tre Manor goblin on a bear.
Might have to call for reinforcements on your goblin...Reaper has another 3 bear cavalry which might show up as well...
At least that would fit with the mumblings I have heard. Not sure if they would be included in the overall master plan of trying some units out...but it would make sense as they are some of the more popular cavalry options that Reaper does.
That dwarf on a bear is going to fight my Tre Manor goblin on a bear.
Might have to call for reinforcements on your goblin...Reaper has another 3 bear cavalry which might show up as well...
At least that would fit with the mumblings I have heard. Not sure if they would be included in the overall master plan of trying some units out...but it would make sense as they are some of the more popular cavalry options that Reaper does.
I keep reading "goblin" as 'groin'. It has made the last few posts... yea, I'll say better
I definitely had to scroll up to see what was actually being discussed, though.
ced1106 wrote: I thought I asked already, but any thoughts on the 2nd paint set?
I generally like Reaper's paints, and that includes the HD line. They are designed as a high coverage base paint, and they do the part well. Even when thinned down for airbrushing, they seem to cover faster than regular paints. These particular colors are new, so I havent had a chance to try them, but the rest have been quite good...especially when doing base coat work in those tough colors like yellows and reds.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Eh, we got some generic town guards and a few random cavalry. Reaper said it themselves that they're going to dole out the stretches to fill this expansion to create a bit more momentum (and less of us whining about things not moving).
When all is said and done there will be plenty in this expansion.
Are there more figures yet this time around compared to the first campaign?
Not sure, but with two $50 expansions, it's no longer an apples-to-apples comparison. It's kinda like $200 vs the $100 in Bones 1.
Someone posted this just over a half-hour ago:
REAPER BONES II Kickstarter
(totals include all announced minis, providing goals are met)
Base Pledge: $100
Includes: 30 new Bones miniatures ($60 if purchased separately here) plus 24 bonus (existing) figures (total of 54 miniatures).
Unlocked, free add-ons:
Heroes I: 6 new minis ($8 separately)
Dungeon Monsters: 5 new minis ($7 separately)
Pathfinder Heroes I: 6 new minis ($8 separately)
Gnolls & Bugbears: 6 new minis ($9 separately)
Shambling Dead: 9 new minis ($10 separately)
Dungeon Decor I: 8 new minis ($6 separately)
Beast Mode!: 5 new minis ($7 separately)
Pathfinder Heroes II: 6 new minis ($8 separately)
Bully For You: 2 new minis ($10 separately)
Lesser Demons: 5 new minis ($10 separately)
Sylvan Creatures: 4 new minis ($8 separately)
Savage Worlds: 8 new minis ($10 separately)
Pulp Action: Chronoscape: 8 new minis ($10 separately)
Swamp Things: 6 new minis ($8 separately)
Dragon Hatchlings: 4 minis ($10 separately)
Pathfinder Villains: 5 minis ($8 separately)
Bag O' Bases: 2-ounce pack of 1-inch round bases (approximately 50 bases) ($10 separately)
Under the Sea: 5 minis ($10 separately)
Trick or Treat, Mr. Bones: 1 mini ($1 separately)
Total minis included in $100 pledge: 153 (price each: 65 cents) plus the bases
Optional Add-ons:
$12 Narthrax Dragon (1 huge mini)
$10 Lords of Darkness (6 minis)
$10 Mouslings (10 minis) ---- MAY NOT GET THIS
$15 Unleash the Kraken! (1 huge mini)
$10 Oh, Rats! (5 small + 1 large mini = 6 minis)
$10 Heroes & Villains (6 minis)
$12 Greater Demons (2 huge minis)
$10 Gelatinous Cube (1 huge mini + skeleton base + 2 smaller pieces = 4 minis)
$10 Hill Giants (2 huge minis)
$15 Demon Lords (2 huge minis)
$10 Dungeon Decor II (8 minis) ---- WOULD REALLY LIKE AT LEAST TWO OF THIS
$50 Core Set Expansion 1 (Includes (Step 1: 1 huge silver dragon + 5 derro + 3 hordlings + 4 huge minis (mountain troll, dragon tortoise, stone giant, giant scorpion) + 10 more (3 Egyptian avatars (huge Avatar of Sokar, Avatar of Thoth, Avatar of Sekhmet) + 2 lions (male & female) + 5 zombies) + (1 huge Goroloth + 1 ice troll + 3 mushroom men + 3 barrow wardens + 2 kobold leaders + 2 goblin leaders + demi-lich + 2 cultists and summoning circle) = 39 total minis in expansion ($1.28 per mini in this expansion)
$10 Blightfang (1 huge dragon)
$10 Devils (5 minis)
$10 Water Elementals (4 minis)
$10 Cinder (1 huge dragon)
$15 Verocithrax (1 huge thin dragon)
$50 Core Set Expansion 2 (Includes: (Step 1: 1 dwarf rider on bear, 1 knight on horse, 1 count on horse, 4 town guardsmen): Total 7 minis (unless riders come off, then 10 minis) + more at $2,160,000 and another 5 steps after that) = 7 total minis in expansion ($7.14 per mini in this expansion)
Total add-ons (1 of each): $279
Total minis included in add-ons (1 of each): 106
GRAND TOTAL: $379 (1 of each) (total of 259 miniatures at $1.46 each plus bases)
Note: Just pledging $150 for core and expansion 1 (total of 192 miniatures at 78 cents each) plus the bases
Note: Just pledging $150 for core and expansion 2 (total of 160 miniatures at 94 cents each) plus the bases
Note: Just pledging $200 for core and both expansions (total of 199 miniatures at $1.01 each) plus the bases
Optional: Master Series Paint (12 HD bottles) $18
(includes: 29801 Crimson Red, 29806 Fireball Orange, 29809 Pale Saffron, 29811 Turf Green, 29815 Dragon Blue, 29820 Gem Purple, 29822 Suntan Flesh, 29823 Caucasian Flesh, 29827 Griffon Tan, 29830 Ruddy Brown, 29832 Concrete Grey, 29828 Woodland Brown)
Optional: Master Series Paint (12 HD bottles) Option 2: $18
(includes: 29839 Maroon Red, 29840 Garnet Red, 29841 Witchcraft Purple, 29842 Solid White, 29843 Solid Black, 29844 Blue Flame, 29845 Gilded Yellow, 29846 Spruce Green, 29847 Rich Indigo, 29848 Jungle Camo, 29849 Umber Brown, 29850 Elfin Flesh)
Optional: Cases ($30 each)
SUPER GRAND TOTAL (1 of everything) (total of 259 miniatures, 24 paints, 1 case plus bases): $445
So this one works out quite a lot more expensive than the first one, and that's without the international postage element at play. Not sure if I'll stay in or not, since if I stay I'd like to get one of everything excepting the cases and we know that even more paid add-ons will be added, and probably not a lot more to the core.. (actually, I'd like to get two, but that ain't gonna happen). I guess I'll decide literally on the last day. Until then, my $100 pledge without postage added can ride.
fullheadofhair wrote: I just made the decision to cancel. The core set just isn't appealing enough and doesn't seem to be getting better - I was tempted to stay in for a few dragons but in the end I thought better of it.
I may not be far behind you. Especially after hearing the AVP rumors from Prodos.
I'm really looking forward to more troops and cavalry. But, as Azazel pointed out, this round of Reaper KS Magic feels like a lot less of a great deal.
ced1106 wrote: I thought I asked already, but any thoughts on the 2nd paint set?
I generally like Reaper's paints, and that includes the HD line. They are designed as a high coverage base paint, and they do the part well. Even when thinned down for airbrushing, they seem to cover faster than regular paints. These particular colors are new, so I havent had a chance to try them, but the rest have been quite good...especially when doing base coat work in those tough colors like yellows and reds.
Much appreciated!
Any thoughts on the color selections of set 2 vs. set 1? Another backer commented that set 2 would make good base color coats since their colors are more subdued. The black and white can be used as mixing.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I'm really looking forward to more troops and cavalry. But, as Azazel pointed out, this round of Reaper KS Magic feels like a lot less of a great deal.
It's still a great deal in the strictest sense - and in raw numbers/size, but the "grab-bag" element that worked so well in Bones 1 works a lot less well when the price is more than doubled. With the first campaign, there were a lot of figures that I'm not especially interested in, but at the price? Sure, whatever, I'll take them, no problem. This time around, the figures I don't want are almost as relevant as the ones I do want - like Expansion 1 - only interested in about half of them. So while on paper, it's still a deal - is it worthwhile for me to buy them all, pay for them all to ship, and a year in advance? I'm just not sure yet. Especially when there's a lot of other things I could do with that money right now...
For me clutter is an issue... I'm trying to avoid having minis lying around that I have no direct, immediate use for. I don't like having random junk lying around, if I can't see a use for it at any point in the next 5 years, into the bin/ ebay /charity shop it goes.
So, down to $1 pledge for now and I'll see if there's anything I want to add when the pledge manager rolls out that will come in under the customs limit and be reasonably OK for shipping.
Phobos wrote: Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.
It's you. Most KS start big and slope down until the end or start small and explode. I haven't seen a lot of solid all the way through KSs.
Bones I was super slow until the end.
I'm just gonna quote this to remind everyone saying that this kickstarter feels underwhelming. We're only 15 days in. 15 days into Bones 1 it was August 7th, and they had just unlocked the ogres and gnoll archer option and were looking to unlock the townsfolk and fire elementals freebies.
Take a look at the spoilered image below. See how many figures are below the townsfolk and fire elementals? See how few are above them? We'll get lots of new stuff as this campaign goes on.
scarletsquig wrote: For me clutter is an issue... I'm trying to avoid having minis lying around that I have no direct, immediate use for. I don't like having random junk lying around, if I can't see a use for it at any point in the next 5 years, into the bin/ ebay /charity shop it goes.
I'm really pleased with the range of miniatures so far. I can think of several scenarios I'd like to run that include most of these figures, and players can figure it out for the rest of them. It's also very likely I'll have to up my pledge several more times before this is over.
I'm just gonna quote this to remind everyone saying that this kickstarter feels underwhelming. We're only 15 days in. 15 days into Bones 1 it was August 7th, and they had just unlocked the ogres and gnoll archer option and were looking to unlock the townsfolk and fire elementals freebies.
Take a look at the spoilered image below. See how many figures are below the townsfolk and fire elementals? See how few are above them? We'll get lots of new stuff as this campaign goes on.
A key difference this time is that they're putting many (most? yet to be seen!) of those additional figures into the $50 expansions, rather than the $100 core.
Oh I don't know... For now I still stand by my previous statement; its kind of slow and underwhelming.
And the more that I think about it, I'm going to retract my other comment about shipping charges internationally. They should at least have a basic idea of what those charges could be or eaten the cost. And these paid add on expansions are starting to rub me the wrong way. Plus there is no Sophie!
Bones one was a true Kickstarter. Kickstarter is to fund projects that would otherwise not be made. Reaper didn't make a lot of money from the first Kickstarter, but they got all the molds for the bones created. And they are certainly making money from those molds right now. Which was the original point.
This Kickstarter feels more to me like a glorified pre order system.
There really isn't a difference between getting product for funding production and getting product on a pre-order.
I actually think this KS is better than the first one. Sure, less miniatures right now, but it seems more focused and less overwhelming. I didn't pledge on the first one, I am pledging on this one. When they make expansion 1 available as individual options like they did for core, I'll be adding more.
frozenwastes wrote: There really isn't a difference between getting product for funding production and getting product on pre-order.
There is a difference between helping fund a project that would not otherwise be made without the funding, and simply ordering something that's going to be made regardless.
And I realize that there is a shipping calculator up right now. But it really should have been there from the start, or better yet a simple flat rate for international customers.
And now that I think about it, the fact that they are charging sales tax to Texas residents is more proof that this is just a pre order.
frozenwastes wrote: There really isn't a difference between getting product for funding production and getting product on pre-order.
There is a difference between helping fund a project that would not otherwise be made without the funding, and simply ordering something that's going to be made regardless.
You can get an idea of how many bones figures would have been made without the kickstarter by looking at the growth of reaper's legendary encounters prepainted line. They use the same moulds and are pressed in the same factory. It took reaper years and years to get the tiny amount of moulds they had.
Metal molds aren't cheap. You can lose a lot of money on them if you don't know the demand. The current Reaper KSFAQ says, "Lastly there is the risk we will not produce a specific model shown. This will only occur if there is not enough interest in the model measured by the number of backers that actually pledge for a buy in level model."
Maybe Reaper's being overcautious, but it *is* run by accountants. If your customers are willing to fund your project and remove the risk of not knowing demand (as frozenwastes said, that's part of the point of a preorder), why not take this funding? With Reaper's catalog of hundreds of models, it's entirely possible they can make too many metal molds, make molds of the wrong models, etc. Without crowdfunding, they would return to the pre-KS Bones days of erring on the side of making few plastic molds and sticking to metal. If you want to see the result of that business decision, just look at RAFM. Sure, it's easy to post on a forum that Reaper should do such-and-such a business decision, but it's easy to do this with NOT your money.
frozenwastes wrote: There really isn't a difference between getting product for funding production and getting product on pre-order.
There is a difference between helping fund a project that would not otherwise be made without the funding, and simply ordering something that's going to be made regardless.
And in the case of Reaper, it would not be. Certainly not at this rate. As has been pointed out, the first 30 Legendary Encounters prepaints took a couple years to come out and the first 16 bones that came out pre-kickstarter took like 6 months to be followed up by another 14 or so. Without the Kickstarters, they'd probably add a couple dozen a year and that would be it.
And now that I think about it, the fact that they are charging sales tax to Texas residents is more proof that this is just a pre order.
Or their jurisdictions tax code demands it?
Any and every time you charge for product in advance of general release it is a pre-order. Whether it's through your own website, via crowdfunding or some other mysterious process. Your or my perception of whether a given project would happen anyway is 100% irrelevant.
Fortunately for the industry as a whole, what works will be what continues and Kickstarters don't have to line up with people's ideals or the stories they tell themselves about how things should be if only companies used crowdfunding in some noble and pure way.
frozenwastes wrote: There really isn't a difference between getting product for funding production and getting product on pre-order.
There is a difference between helping fund a project that would not otherwise be made without the funding, and simply ordering something that's going to be made regardless.
And I realize that there is a shipping calculator up right now. But it really should have been there from the start, or better yet a simple flat rate for international customers.
And now that I think about it, the fact that they are charging sales tax to Texas residents is more proof that this is just a pre order.
They are required by law to charge sales tax to texas residents..
Phobos wrote: Oh I don't know... For now I still stand by my previous statement; its kind of slow and underwhelming.
And the more that I think about it, I'm going to retract my other comment about shipping charges internationally. They should at least have a basic idea of what those charges could be or eaten the cost. And these paid add on expansions are starting to rub me the wrong way. Plus there is no Sophie!
Bones one was a true Kickstarter. Kickstarter is to fund projects that would otherwise not be made. Reaper didn't make a lot of money from the first Kickstarter, but they got all the molds for the bones created. And they are certainly making money from those molds right now. Which was the original point.
This Kickstarter feels more to me like a glorified pre order system.
You are correct in many ways. They didn't make a lot of profit, but they funded all of the figures, added a wing to the warehouse, and bought "Thomas" the plastic machine with the money they made. It looks like this time they're not only looking to fund the figures, but also add a few more machines (which, according to Tre' KS doesn't like, but they're not exactly consistent with their enforcement of their "rules" at the best of times..)
Phobos wrote: Oh I don't know... For now I still stand by my previous statement; its kind of slow and underwhelming.
And the more that I think about it, I'm going to retract my other comment about shipping charges internationally. They should at least have a basic idea of what those charges could be or eaten the cost. And these paid add on expansions are starting to rub me the wrong way. Plus there is no Sophie!
Bones one was a true Kickstarter. Kickstarter is to fund projects that would otherwise not be made. Reaper didn't make a lot of money from the first Kickstarter, but they got all the molds for the bones created. And they are certainly making money from those molds right now. Which was the original point.
This Kickstarter feels more to me like a glorified pre order system.
I think I would prefer some kind of pre order system where I could pick out the individual models I want. There are many models I would love to order but many more that I have no intrest in. It just isn't worth it for me to buy a load of models I will never touch no matter how good of a deal they are.
KS2 is like, what, a million dollars and 50 models ahead of where KS1 was at the same point?
But that's why KS1 made 75% of it's money in the last few days... a lot of complaining that 90 cents is just too much to pay for a miniature! But when it's 75 cents, i'm all in!
I have a Wave 1 shipping pledge that I have to drop because I just found out my wife's expecting twins so money's going to be tight. Still going to pick up a couple of kraken since money's not that tight , but I'll be shifting to a $1 pledge.
If anyone's interested in trying to slid in to my Wave 1 slot PM me so we can set up a time. Of course first come first serve. If I don't hear anything I'll be dropping at 10:00 EST tonight.
KS2 is like, what, a million dollars and 50 models ahead of where KS1 was at the same point?
But that's why KS1 made 75% of it's money in the last few days... a lot of complaining that 90 cents is just too much to pay for a miniature! But when it's 75 cents, i'm all in!
The additional S&H and import fees for the ROW customers are a concern - so people are looking for possibly even more value per mini to offset that.
A lot of it is just the mid-KS duldrums. Especially after such an explosive opening. Compared to the first KS which started slow and built up more and more buzz and momentum all the way to the end.
Indeed - I'm stuck here a bit, in that as a ROW pledger I've worked out that it will cost over $200 to get the $100 core set shipped to me in the UK and taxed. If I want to add stuff on, this lowers the (relative) cost of the shipping, but pushes up the taxable amount in dangerous territory.
I should point out that I only went for the core set in Bones 1, and that if I do the same now this will only cost me about $30 more than last time. The difference is more one of perception - I know about the hidden costs more in advance, and most stretch goals don't relate to the core set this time.
carlos13th wrote: I think I would prefer some kind of pre order system where I could pick out the individual models I want. There are many models I would love to order but many more that I have no intrest in. It just isn't worth it for me to buy a load of models I will never touch no matter how good of a deal they are.
No disagreements here! I mean, aside from KS, that's (almost) how you bought Reaper miniatures most of the time -- individual blisters (or themed boxed sets), rather than a bulk purchase!
I wouldn't be surprised if Reaper looks at the KS2 ROW pledges and feedback, and looks more closely into a EU distributors / fulfillment partner, or at least the impact of ROW on KS2. I don't know if they're complacent with the US market, or have been seeing how Mantic and CMON have been taking over the miniature markets overseas.
Especially if you missed KS1, you can go to the Reaper online store, or your xLGS, and compare buying the mini's individually vs. the KS2 "bulk purchase". Reaper online store and many OLGS have free shipping thresholds, so might be cheaper (especially if you want some non-KS Bones in your gaming order!). Reaper will have a "12 Days of Reaper" promotion in December as well. Get your free Christmas Wreath paint sample! (:
I'm worried about scenery like this (hard, straight edges) in the Bones line. As a backer of the original kickstarter who loves the models, I really don't think the material is going to hold its shape well enough to look proper.
I'd say it will. Much of the bending in bones one was relatively "thin" components; this thing really doesn't have anywhere to twist to so I'd say we're good on that one
...Anyway, that with five good, or even middling, unlocks, will see me stay in this just for the scenery.
...feth, just when I'd almost convinced myself to drop out.
bbb wrote: Apparently they can vary the formula to adjust the hardness. I'm extremely interested to see how much that container will cost at retail.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm hoping they add some crates and barrels to the terrain line.
Also, I love Sgt Forscale. That made me smile.
Yes - good example of that is Kaladrax, where the body is quite a hard rigid plastic, the tail and wings are slightly softer and the head and tail tip are very bendy.
The 'containers' are interesting. At the right price point they can be valuable regardless of quality. The truth is I could make those from about 3$ of plasticard and plastirod.
I don't want to make them from 3$ of plasticard and plastirod. So if they are good quality for a reasonable price, they may have tapped a new market for people who seemingly won't pay high prices for terrain.
Might get me back interested for a $50 pledge if that whole thing gets funded and the makeup of the set is properly themed and not a useless assortment of random stuff.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: Bones shipping container.
*ahem*
Hell yes!
Hopefully the damn thing is hollow and doesn't weigh a ton.
Based on the altars from KS1, I forsee it being warped all to hell and not ever wanting to come back to straight lines.
Odd. My altars came in straight as an arrow. Only model I had trouble with was the lich. His base was all screwed up, and no amount of boiling water could fix it.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: Bones shipping container.
*ahem*
Hell yes!
Hopefully the damn thing is hollow and doesn't weigh a ton.
Based on the altars from KS1, I forsee it being warped all to hell and not ever wanting to come back to straight lines.
Odd. My altars came in straight as an arrow. Only model I had trouble with was the lich. His base was all screwed up, and no amount of boiling water could fix it.
Well, I had the same problem as Azazel, the altar and tomb were both warped to a point that they never came close to straight edges no mater how many times I heated them.
Bolognesus wrote: I'd say it will. Much of the bending in bones one was relatively "thin" components; this thing really doesn't have anywhere to twist to so I'd say we're good on that one
...Anyway, that with five good, or even middling, unlocks, will see me stay in this just for the scenery.
Note that all of the scenery is sci-fi/modern which raises the question: Will this be a sci-fi expansion (which we are woefully short of to my mind) or a scenery expansion?
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: Bones shipping container.
*ahem*
Hell yes!
Hopefully the damn thing is hollow and doesn't weigh a ton.
Based on the altars from KS1, I forsee it being warped all to hell and not ever wanting to come back to straight lines.
Odd. My altars came in straight as an arrow. Only model I had trouble with was the lich. His base was all screwed up, and no amount of boiling water could fix it.
Well, I had the same problem as Azazel, the altar and tomb were both warped to a point that they never came close to straight edges no mater how many times I heated them.
Nod. This highlights that issue I made about Bones II earlier. With the first one, I was going to paint the altar, but since it wouldn't straighten, I just thought "ah well" and threw it back in the box. When the effective prices for stuff like that doubles or triples via $50 "expansions", increased shipping and taxes, and you have to really think about and decide whether you want that altar (or shipping container, or whatever), then when the thing doesn't straighten, you'll be complaining on the forums and getting a "suck it up, big baby - it's KS and you got a great deal anyway" response from a lot of people, and/or contacting Reaper with the hope of getting a replacement.
I have this horrible feeling that I'll regret not going in on this, but I think I don't need more stuff in the unpainted pile and a big pile of clutter taking up space in my apartment.
If I really like anything in Bones I can pick it up later at retail- a bargain isn't a bargain if it includes a whole bunch of mediocre stuff I don't really want.
They fill the rest of that expansion with modern/near future chronoscope type figures and I may just keep my pledge. Otherwise I just am not seeing enough stuff I want to keep my EB wave 1 pledge.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: Bones shipping container.
*ahem*
Hell yes!
Hopefully the damn thing is hollow and doesn't weigh a ton.
Based on the altars from KS1, I forsee it being warped all to hell and not ever wanting to come back to straight lines.
Odd. My altars came in straight as an arrow. Only model I had trouble with was the lich. His base was all screwed up, and no amount of boiling water could fix it.
Well, I had the same problem as Azazel, the altar and tomb were both warped to a point that they never came close to straight edges no mater how many times I heated them.
Nod. This highlights that issue I made about Bones II earlier. With the first one, I was going to paint the altar, but since it wouldn't straighten, I just thought "ah well" and threw it back in the box. When the effective prices for stuff like that doubles or triples via $50 "expansions", increased shipping and taxes, and you have to really think about and decide whether you want that altar (or shipping container, or whatever), then when the thing doesn't straighten, you'll be complaining on the forums and getting a "suck it up, big baby - it's KS and you got a great deal anyway" response from a lot of people, and/or contacting Reaper with the hope of getting a replacement.
I was just mentioning that different people had different experiences with the same model. I had a few models that will never straighten, but not the same ones. Was there any mention of a model like the Wyrmgear with this problem? All the posts I read mentioned that it was made from a harder material that the others. My point is, I think that things like dungeon decor and character models in the softer material may be more prone to warping that something like the big Wyrmgear. These containers may be made with the same formula to ensure they stay straight. Things like dungeon decor didn't matter as much to Reaper if they were bent or not.
I'm wondering if any/ all of those containers are going to have removable sections so we can stick stuff inside.
That weapons locker especially. It looks just like the shipping crate except with some latches on it. It'd be neat if those things have some molded details inside of them.
Between this new expansion, all my deadzone scenery, and who knows what I end up with from Mars Attacks I think I'll have a pretty well cluttered battlefield in the near future.
Creator Reaper Miniatures
@The shipping container is hollow and does open up. Likewise the dumpster. The prototype Weapons locker does not open, nor does the telephone box
Wish they'd add the first option to the second expansion set before announcing the third one, but whatever. Looks like the Paizo email brought in 500+ backers in the last two days, and 100K. Tell and post your friends and forums about the Numera and not-TARDIS miniatures!
I was just mentioning that different people had different experiences with the same model. I had a few models that will never straighten, but not the same ones. Was there any mention of a model like the Wyrmgear with this problem? All the posts I read mentioned that it was made from a harder material that the others. My point is, I think that things like dungeon decor and character models in the softer material may be more prone to warping that something like the big Wyrmgear. These containers may be made with the same formula to ensure they stay straight. Things like dungeon decor didn't matter as much to Reaper if they were bent or not.
I attempted to assemble Wyrmgear for painting. I found that all four of them had an uneven stance/warped legs, so back in the boxes they went for the time being. I didn't bother to try and heat/cool/straighten his legs, because I ended up in rather a foul mood on the day. I've tried un-warping my Tre Manor Bugbear several times, but that mace just doesn't want to unbend. I may have to pin or replace the shaft for that one.
ced1106 wrote: Creator Reaper Miniatures
@The shipping container is hollow and does open up. Likewise the dumpster. The prototype Weapons locker does not open, nor does the telephone box
Wish they'd add the first option to the second expansion set before announcing the third one, but whatever. Looks like the Paizo email brought in 500+ backers in the last two days, and 100K. Tell and post your friends and forums about the Numera and not-TARDIS miniatures!
Those shipping containers will need to be made of the hardest version of bones, or they'll be warped to gak. They might be anyway, I guess. Hm.. pre-assembled & warped, or warped and unassembled? Neither possibility fills me with glee.
That Numenera stuff looks interesting. The pink expansion may well be worth going in for if it is filled with terrain. I don't know whether I would prefer fantasy or sci-fi terrain in there though
As long as it's rocks and other nondescript terrain(no castle walls or anything), the fantasy stuff could easily be mixed with the scifi with no real loss to modern/future players. Already including a callbox and weapons locked might deter fantasy-based players from chipping in.
Grats! Tabletop RPGs are unique and awesome. I have a bad feeling that I'll have to rope some mates into playing one if I pick up this KS with it's huge range of minis usable for all sorts of stuff. Didn't know Numenera was an RPG, had it in my head it was the Torment spiritual sequel to Planescape Torment.
Note that all of the scenery is sci-fi/modern which raises the question: Will this be a sci-fi expansion (which we are woefully short of to my mind) or a scenery expansion?
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If I had to guess I'd say all sci-fi/chronoscope, Since it features Sgt. Forscale and not Sir Forscale of Nottinculded.
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Reaper Miniatures wrote:
@Coraline - Expansion 2 and the remaining Core reveals will be Fantasy related. Expansion 3 will be primarily non-fantasy.
Whoa, I'm actually participating in a RPG of this right now, my very first RPG
Pretty cool that they're making figs for it!
A lot of the artwork for the Numenera setting would do some good double duty as aliens as well. Depending on the final figures, those 4 look to be a nice start to some sort of alien horde army (with a fair amount of conversion for pose variety).
The problem with the 'non-Tardis' is that there are others out there which do not require you to pledge for this Kickstarter. I really can't see someone pledging just for it to be honest.
Oct 17, 2013
By the Light! $1,894,000 Achieved!
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With only 9 days to go, we have unlocked 12 NEW colors of HD Paint, and the first part of Expansion Two!
Now we're ready to unlock Numenéra Bones! And while we're talking about Numenéra Bones, We'd like to take a second to mention that Monte Cook Games, Makers of Numenéra, are also currently running their own Kickstarter - The Strange, a tabletop RPG by Bruce Cordell & Monte Cook. These are two awesome game designers, with an impressive portfolio of innovative and fun games, and we really want everybody to go check out their latest project.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1433901524/the-strange-a-tabletop-rpg-by-bruce-cordell-and-mo?ref=live And of course, when we unlock Numenéra Bones, we're unlocking Expansion Set 3.
But you guys really want to know what's next? Well, in the comments, you have asked for Angels to battle all the Demons, so we're going to be adding on to Expansion Set 2 next with these wonderful angels! The great warrior Deva, the Angel of Shadow, the Angel of Protection, and two Angels of Sorrow - one crying, one attacking!
But there's More to come!
We've still got more coming for the Core Set!
More Options!
More things to fill out the Expansions!
But we need your help to achieve these new goals! Be sure to follow us on twitter @Reapermini, talk about the Kickstarter using #ReaperBones, Like us on FaceBook, talk about us on every forum you can, and join our forums at reapermini.com/forum to join in the conversation! The more backers we get, the more sweet rewards we unlock for you!
To make it easier for you to track, Dark Purple images will be added to your Core Set, Light Purple are Extra copies of those rewards, Ochre ones are Expansion 1, Orange ones will be available as additional rewards simply by increasing your pledge, Expansion Set #2 is on a Blue background, and Expansion Set #3 is Red!
If it gets overwhelming the Pledge Claculator can help you keep track of it all at https://ks.reapermini.com/ It saves your pledge, so you don't have to remember what you were pledging for, but it's flexible enough that you can make changes to your pledge at any time! For help with the Pledge Calculator - please see our FAQ on the Home Tab.
A buck and a half apiece is a good price for paints, but if you mess with the pledge manager, their weight knocks the S&H up a bit. One set has $9 in S&H (total: $27), both bring it up to $12.50 (nearly $49 total).
$50 for 24 paints is still a damned fine deal, but I think I'll have to stick with buying them as I need them from local shops, so sticking with terrain bits for now. Trying to keep my pledge around $40-50 with S&H included, as my credit card is still recovering from the beating it took for the Robotech minis campaign earlier this year.
Sinful Hero wrote: That looks pretty awesome. Which dragon is that next to the ruins anyway?
Not sure yet, I'm not well-versed on Reaper's dragons. The KS comments may be the place to check for that info. It looks to be about quite big though, just going off the angle and the size of Sir Forscale. The ruins look impressively large as well, at least 12" in diameter.
Geez. Those ruins are big. I can only wonder how much those would cost at retail. I can see them being at a $50 add on pledge here though. It's probably a good thing I don't care too much for fantasy, otherwise I'd have to order it.
May be just what's needed to get the last week of pledging rolling strong.
~iPaint
That looks pretty awesome. Which dragon is that next to the ruins anyway?
This one:
Nathrax:
...actually...no, that is a new dragon entirely than the newest dragon...
I just double checked and it looks similar to Nathrax from above, but the head is turned the wrong way. I know Julie is sculpting something new right now, and it might end up being another new Guthrie dragon. The appearance looks like some of the GS over 3D printing prototypes I have seen from them in the past year or so though.
Agreed. Bones is perfect for terrain, not sure why they don't put in more of it!
More risk.
Need a bigger mold, more cutting to get there (likely hollow as well - so you have the added costs of a projection mold), less market data on sales for terrain...so more of a chance for it being a drag on the line... There are apparently a lot of terrain pieces that may make it into the various packages, from smaller scatter terrain like the Dungeon Décor and the Expansion #3 stuff as well as a few larger pieces. These ruins are the largest by far though.
Not sure if you have noticed but it also breaks apart into several pieces (4 I think is what I was told). That way you can use them all stuck together or use them split up as the basis for other terrain or just to give a larger area of cover.
Lt. Coldfire wrote: @Sean_OBrien
I am disappoint. It's definitely not Narthrax next to the ruins.
It looks like Cinder to me.
Definitely not Cinder. The horns are really a dead giveaway on that one.
I double checked all the existing Reaper Dragons (pretty easy...just needed to set them on the table and look). Nothing in their current catalog. The head shape and style matched Narthrax, but the head is pointing the wrong way and the tail on the one next to the ruins sweeps back while Narthrax curves around in front of it.
How can other companies produce Dragons so cheaply when it takes GW at least 50 MSRP to make one! Reaper must hold the world's reserve of special dragon-making-plastic.
Very nice!
Did you find you had to alter any of your usual techniques for painting bones? I'm finding the human type figs faces to be quite challenging.
, but I'll be shifting to a $1 pledge.
