It's what's disappointed me most, really. All the talk of new White Dwarf, rumours of drastic action being taken due to the 25% share price drop and the mentioning of a change in language surrounding sales tactics when trying to sell you some Tyranids.
Scrub wrote: It's what's disappointed me most, really. All the talk of new White Dwarf, rumours of drastic action being taken due to the 25% share price drop and the mentioning of a change in language surrounding sales tactics when trying to sell you some Tyranids.
Guess that confirms there will be no plastic slayers. Ironically that isn't a bad price. The unit is $5 a fig which is the same price as the slayers were before the finecast launch. Other note, they are listed as metal, guess that shoots down the rumor that all the metal figs have been melted.
Samurai_Eduh wrote: Anyone notice the sneak peek of dwarf army rules? +1 strength on the charge, no leadership test for marching and a grudge table that gives varying levels of hatred.
Alpharius wrote: I thought about it - I love Dwarfs but.. yeah - the prices!
Maybe there will be a good bundle deal eventually?
Yeah, I'm wondering if there will be more "Tyranid Swarms" as we move forward..?
The Warhost of Naggaroth took a few months to come out, could be seeing something similar for Dwarfs with them waiting until there's more new plastic kits.
I'm going to ballpark it as something like:
20x Hammerers/Longbeards
20x Thunderers/Quarellers OR 10x Slayers--assuming we actually see plastic Slayers
Something on a chariot base
Something that could be equivalent to cavalry
A plastic Lord/Hero choice. I'm thinking that the Dragon Slayer that just got released is what we would see as this option given that he's a Lord/Hero choice.
timofeo wrote: I heard from my store guys GW rep that the new Dwarfs have stat cards, and with no Book so that makes me think the whole 9th ed no books and 1 book to rule them all thing may not be far off.
Anyone else watch the Dwarf video in the GW Today section? It does sort of look like cards before they show each model.....makes you wonder.
timofeo wrote: I heard from my store guys GW rep that the new Dwarfs have stat cards, and with no Book so that makes me think the whole 9th ed no books and 1 book to rule them all thing may not be far off.
Anyone else watch the Dwarf video in the GW Today section? It does sort of look like cards before they show each model.....makes you wonder.
Over at Bugman's Brewery, I saw a picture of the Army Book cover, or at least something that looked remarkably like a book cover.
Maybe this has been posted before and my Dakka Search-fu failed, or its not "new" per se, but I just noticed that the adjuctival form of "Dwarf" used in the new WDW is "Dwarfen". Not Dwarfsh. Not Dwarven. Is this another GW effort to come up with "enforcable" IP? Or am I just showing my ingorance of things Dwarfish/Dwarven/Dwarfen?
cygnnus wrote: Maybe this has been posted before and my Dakka Search-fu failed, or its not "new" per se, but I just noticed that the adjuctival form of "Dwarf" used in the new WDW is "Dwarfen". Not Dwarfsh. Not Dwarven. Is this another GW effort to come up with "enforcable" IP? Or am I just showing my ingorance of things Dwarfish/Dwarven/Dwarfen?
I had heard the price of the hammerers was going to be $50 usd. I was holding out hope that they would be 20 to a box. I should have known better. You only get 10.
Scrub wrote: It's what's disappointed me most, really. All the talk of new White Dwarf, rumours of drastic action being taken due to the 25% share price drop and the mentioning of a change in language surrounding sales tactics when trying to sell you some Tyranids.
Nearly $50 cheaper and you get over 3x the models (I counted 41 models in the Dwarf one-click bundle), plus you get what you can actually field out of the box as an actual army not a handful of units and a character and nothing else, thus still needing to spend another couple of hundred on additional units.
I think the fact that this thread is only 11 pages long an that there is a lot of hate in here shows how well fantasy is doing. I was considering starting up a fantasy army but not at 5 bucks a model. You can keep it GW!
Why are 10 models 127% the price of 16 GW? The Warriors/Quarrellers/Thunderers are AUD$3.44 a model, yet the Longbeards/Hammerers are AUD$7 a model. Each model is worth costs 200% more!!!
CthuluIsSpy wrote: They are still doing 1 Click collections? You'd think they'd understand that no-one likes those.
They are unpopular on the forums, 'waaaah, I added it all up and it doesn't save you any money'
However I'd guess they sell a few each and every time, for next to no extra effort so it makes sense to keep doing them.
Scrub wrote: It's what's disappointed me most, really. All the talk of new White Dwarf, rumours of drastic action being taken due to the 25% share price drop and the mentioning of a change in language surrounding sales tactics when trying to sell you some Tyranids.
Nearly $50 cheaper and you get over 3x the models (I counted 41 models in the Dwarf one-click bundle), plus you get what you can actually field out of the box as an actual army not a handful of units and a character and nothing else, thus still needing to spend another couple of hundred on additional units.
You make an interesting comparison but I would rather have the GW Dwarves.
Now if Avatars of War did a bundle deal that would be a closer call...
I am beginning to tire of the weekly bits of releases though. It will inevitably mean the Army book will be in the fourth week of releases to not spill the beans on the whole release (or longer if the release cycle is longer than a month?).
AOW are clearly selling at their production capacity, so further discounts are unnecessary
They might be able to boost production,
but depending on where the logjams are doing so might require more investment & ongoing capital to do so than is wise (especially after the warcast hiccup)
So, I don't know if this has been discussed already, but a LGS near me was accidentally selling next week's White Dwarf early. The Dwarfs have a Gyrobomber coming, this kit also makes a new Gyrocopter. They are also getting a new Runelord, and Engineer Character, and the next White Dwarf has a picture of the new Dwarf Army Book. Also, if you look closely, you can see new Dwarf Ironbreakers. This new Ironbreakers kit also looks like it builds some kind of blunderbuss wielding shooting unit. This blunderbuss carrying unit might also have the option to build some kind of flamethrower gun, I'm not sure.
In review:
New Gyrobomber/Gyrocopter kit.
Engineer Character.
New Runelord.
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
Just looked at the pre-orders page. 40 euro for 10 hammerers, 17 euro for a slayer or a character. Plastic, admittedly, but, holy crap. Is sticker shock worse when you were actually considering buying them or something? That is completely mental.
Hopefully the Engineer, and Runelord coming next round are true. Mostly, because I'm excited to see what GW has come up with, but also because I called it.
I know everyone is big on AOW, but for characters, check out the link below. These guys are making some awesome looking models!
Da Boss wrote: Just looked at the pre-orders page. 40 euro for 10 hammerers, 17 euro for a slayer or a character. Plastic, admittedly, but, holy crap. Is sticker shock worse when you were actually considering buying them or something? That is completely mental.
Yeah I was thinking that earlier while flicking through the new slim WD. It's been a few years since I last played WHFB but you need a block of 20 of these guys and the Longbeards, right? So that's £60 per unit. That's a hefty chunk of change for a small bit of an army.
notprop wrote: You make an interesting comparison but I would rather have the GW Dwarves.
Now if Avatars of War did a bundle deal that would be a closer call...
I am beginning to tire of the weekly bits of releases though. It will inevitably mean the Army book will be in the fourth week of releases to not spill the beans on the whole release (or longer if the release cycle is longer than a month?).
Yeah, I like Mantic prices but for the most part don't like their aesthetic in most of their armies. Given the amount of time it takes me to get an army together, I stick to models of which I actually like the aesthetic rather than what's cheapest. That said... $70AUD for 10 plastic models is beyond my tolerance level. The Mirkwood Elves are $70 for 10 as well, I love the models but I haven't bought a single one because of the price.
It's one of those cases where at $70 for 10, I've bought 0 for $0. If they'd been $40 for 10, I would have bought 30 of them for $120, lol.
So, I don't know if this has been discussed already, but a LGS near me was accidentally selling next week's White Dwarf early. The Dwarfs have a Gyrobomber coming, this kit also makes a new Gyrocopter. They are also getting a new Runelord, and Engineer Character, and the next White Dwarf has a picture of the new Dwarf Army Book. Also, if you look closely, you can see new Dwarf Ironbreakers. This new Ironbreakers kit also looks like it builds some kind of blunderbuss wielding shooting unit. This blunderbuss carrying unit might also have the option to build some kind of flamethrower gun, I'm not sure.
In review:
New Gyrobomber/Gyrocopter kit.
Engineer Character.
New Runelord.
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
If this rumor is right, it looks like GW is moving the book release until after all the kits have been released, putting it at the end of the month. I can't believe this is a smart move unless some issue caused the ook to be delayed in printing. Are that many people going to buy new figs without seeing how the units work ahead of time?
So, I don't know if this has been discussed already, but a LGS near me was accidentally selling next week's White Dwarf early. The Dwarfs have a Gyrobomber coming, this kit also makes a new Gyrocopter. They are also getting a new Runelord, and Engineer Character, and the next White Dwarf has a picture of the new Dwarf Army Book. Also, if you look closely, you can see new Dwarf Ironbreakers. This new Ironbreakers kit also looks like it builds some kind of blunderbuss wielding shooting unit. This blunderbuss carrying unit might also have the option to build some kind of flamethrower gun, I'm not sure.
In review:
New Gyrobomber/Gyrocopter kit.
Engineer Character.
New Runelord.
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
If this rumor is right, it looks like GW is moving the book release until after all the kits have been released, putting it at the end of the month. I can't believe this is a smart move unless some issue caused the ook to be delayed in printing. Are that many people going to buy new figs without seeing how the units work ahead of time?
If you include the rules for the new stuff in White Dwarf weekly, it lets people "test things" before the new book.
If this rumor is right, it looks like GW is moving the book release until after all the kits have been released, putting it at the end of the month. I can't believe this is a smart move unless some issue caused the ook to be delayed in printing. Are that many people going to buy new figs without seeing how the units work ahead of time?
Called my gw rep, preorders for the book will be open 8th and released on the 15th
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
I'm a huge fan of Red Box Games Dwarf range, they're awesome miniatures with piles of character.
HOWEVER, be aware that all the figures shown are on 20mm rounds, not 25- they're about the size of LOTR Dwarves- as tall as GW ones, but with much finer (more realistic) proportions. The heads, hands and weapons scale poorly with GWs battlegnomes. So I wouldn't recommend them to someone looking to add to an existing GW force.
I have a GW force and I still collect then though.
Da Boss wrote: Just looked at the pre-orders page. 40 euro for 10 hammerers, 17 euro for a slayer or a character. Plastic, admittedly, but, holy crap. Is sticker shock worse when you were actually considering buying them or something? That is completely mental.
Hey, plastic Space Marine characters were 25€ apiece...
So, I don't know if this has been discussed already, but a LGS near me was accidentally selling next week's White Dwarf early. The Dwarfs have a Gyrobomber coming, this kit also makes a new Gyrocopter. They are also getting a new Runelord, and Engineer Character, and the next White Dwarf has a picture of the new Dwarf Army Book. Also, if you look closely, you can see new Dwarf Ironbreakers. This new Ironbreakers kit also looks like it builds some kind of blunderbuss wielding shooting unit. This blunderbuss carrying unit might also have the option to build some kind of flamethrower gun, I'm not sure.
In review:
New Gyrobomber/Gyrocopter kit.
Engineer Character.
New Runelord.
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
If this rumor is right, it looks like GW is moving the book release until after all the kits have been released, putting it at the end of the month. I can't believe this is a smart move unless some issue caused the ook to be delayed in printing. Are that many people going to buy new figs without seeing how the units work ahead of time?
If you include the rules for the new stuff in White Dwarf weekly, it lets people "test things" before the new book.
Theoretically at least.
Yeah - although if they don't put in the full rules (like the new Dwarf character having a suit of armour mentioned in the text but then no stats) it kinda defeats the object !
So... I know this thread is mostly becoming a debate about the merits or faults of different dwarf model lines, but I'm surprised no one's discussing this?
Samurai_Eduh wrote: Anyone notice the sneak peek of dwarf army rules? +1 strength on the charge, no leadership test for marching and a grudge table that gives varying levels of hatred.
And more details I found in a post by Bugman on TWF, which he credits to:
GrottoKnight on Warseer wrote:
-Yes Belegar has gromril. His Oathstone will be an extra points upgrade
-Thunderers/Quarrellers are CORE and RARE currently
-Gyrocopter is coming (see picture behind Slayer in video in "what's new"
-pg 27 of the WD says "Next week: Engineering Madness" in Designer Notes
-I would like to note that the Hammerers use GROMRIL hammers
ARMY RULES
It's basically 3 rules:
-Ancestral grudge, roll a D6 before the first turn. On 1-2 your general hates the enemy's general. On 3-4 your characters hate all enemy characters. On 5-6 your army hates the entire enemy army.
-Resolute, charging units have +1 strength
-Relentless, cannot be marchblocked.
(NOTICE: no -1 to flee and pursue rolls? I figured this would go with how movement and charging changed and all.)
The trends of +1 attack for hammerers, +1 strength on the charge, and no reduction to flee/pursue all seem to point to a design looking to create a greater incentive to engage in combat. Historically the latter is pretty big, as it was more difficult to actually get any points if you engaged, since units would often just flee away, preserving their points. If the war machines are priced intelligently, and if there's some (non-warmachine) way to deal with monsters that doesn't involve losing entire units at a time, it could mean there's some hope for multiple alternatives for competitive dwarf play...
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
To each their own. They look fine to me in the sense of collecting an army to play a game; certainly not for a display, but for gaming even the much-maligned Men-at-Arms look fine to my eyes, and would look fine as a regiment on the field. But that's me; I paint for gaming and don't care as much about the look of an individual figure as I do about the overall look of the unit from a distance.
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
To each their own. They look fine to me in the sense of collecting an army to play a game; certainly not for a display, but for gaming even the much-maligned Men-at-Arms look fine to my eyes, and would look fine as a regiment on the field. But that's me; I paint for gaming and don't care as much about the look of an individual figure as I do about the overall look of the unit from a distance.
For getting an army on the table, Mantic are great. I don't love their dwarfs stylistically, but they are quality casts. A huge advantage to them is that they paint up easily, and the Mantic bases are the easiest to magnetize (magnetic table on the bottom and you're done). The army lacks a variety of elites though.
And I actually kind of hate the GW plastic dwarfs stylistically before this hammerer kit. More detailed and cleaner sculpts than mantic for sure, but I don't know if they're actually better when it's all said and done.
I'm surprised AoW isn't rushing to get their basic warriors released in their plastic, or at least on preorder. No need to discount because they can't handle the capacity, but selling them at full price seems like an obvious thing to scoop up sales from players wanting good looking dwarf armies.
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
To each their own. They look fine to me in the sense of collecting an army to play a game; certainly not for a display, but for gaming even the much-maligned Men-at-Arms look fine to my eyes, and would look fine as a regiment on the field. But that's me; I paint for gaming and don't care as much about the look of an individual figure as I do about the overall look of the unit from a distance.
For getting an army on the table, Mantic are great. I don't love their dwarfs stylistically, but they are quality casts. A huge advantage to them is that they paint up easily, and the Mantic bases are the easiest to magnetize (magnetic table on the bottom and you're done). The army lacks a variety of elites though.
And I actually kind of hate the GW plastic dwarfs stylistically before this hammerer kit. More detailed and cleaner sculpts than mantic for sure, but I don't know if they're actually better when it's all said and done.
I'm surprised AoW isn't rushing to get their basic warriors released in their plastic, or at least on preorder. No need to discount because they can't handle the capacity, but selling them at full price seems like an obvious thing to scoop up sales from players wanting good looking dwarf armies.
If you guys want to start a mantic dwarf thread be my guest, but lets stay on topic with GW fantasy dwarfs and their upcoming release.
I am hoping we see issue 2 pictures today or tomorrow
Da Boss wrote: Just looked at the pre-orders page. 40 euro for 10 hammerers, 17 euro for a slayer or a character. Plastic, admittedly, but, holy crap. Is sticker shock worse when you were actually considering buying them or something? That is completely mental.
Yeah I was thinking that earlier while flicking through the new slim WD. It's been a few years since I last played WHFB but you need a block of 20 of these guys and the Longbeards, right? So that's £60 per unit. That's a hefty chunk of change for a small bit of an army.
Unless the meta changes considerably in the new book, Dwarves run melee blocks of 30-40; any less and they just die before getting to swing. So increase that cost per unit by 50-100%.
I am curious to see what other army sets there may be, as the current ones are specified as "week 1" on the site. And I also want to see the Army Book and Limited Edition Army Book!
Also, I noticed the Ungrim Ironfist is a metal model? And appears (at least to me) to be a new one. Although I vaguely recall seeing it before, it could very well be something else I am thinking of. Im fact it seems like there is a good deal of metal models remaining, specifically in the Dwarfs listing.
So, I don't know if this has been discussed already, but a LGS near me was accidentally selling next week's White Dwarf early. The Dwarfs have a Gyrobomber coming, this kit also makes a new Gyrocopter. They are also getting a new Runelord, and Engineer Character, and the next White Dwarf has a picture of the new Dwarf Army Book. Also, if you look closely, you can see new Dwarf Ironbreakers. This new Ironbreakers kit also looks like it builds some kind of blunderbuss wielding shooting unit. This blunderbuss carrying unit might also have the option to build some kind of flamethrower gun, I'm not sure.
In review:
New Gyrobomber/Gyrocopter kit.
Engineer Character.
New Runelord.
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
pities2004 wrote: Called my gw rep, preorders for the book will be open 8th and released on the 15th
If you include the rules for the new stuff in White Dwarf weekly, it lets people "test things" before the new book.
Theoretically at least.
But the stuff you'd actually be interested in (i.e. the core changes, not the frills) aren't in the white dwarf. Unless GW thinks people are dumb enough to think situational hatred, +1S on the charge, and more normal flee/pursuit stuff is less important than a special character and (maybe) a gyrobomber.
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
Ugh, no thanks. One quick look and I backed out fast. I think those are terrible-Mantic's are much better (in my opinion). Of course, they all fail by MILES compared to Avatars of War's dwarves. Those things are hands down the best on the market.
If theyre anything like the ones floating around behind the Slayer in that 'clearly not actually the cover' art then they look pretty enclosed.
Might just be a different bit that sits on the outside that distinguishes it.
Anyway, Burlok Dammison was awesome (along with the Gibbons art). Hope this IS his son and that the mini is suitably steam powered.
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
Those are terrible. I hate hate hate that Brian Froud-inspired big-nosed muppet look. If Tre Manor is some sort of sculpting God, then he has forsaken those models. There is no part of them that I like. At least the Mantic Ram-Man dwarfs don't look like something that was quietly removed from Epcot center.
Now Scibor, on the other hand, makes some great dwarfs.
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
Those are terrible. I hate hate hate that Brian Froud-inspired big-nosed muppet look. If Tre Manor is some sort of sculpting God, then he has forsaken those models. There is no part of them that I like. At least the Mantic Ram-Man dwarfs don't look like something that was quietly removed from Epcot center.
Now Scibor, on the other hand, makes some great dwarfs.
Is this the dwarf rumor thread or is it all about third party companies making dwarfs?
Stay on topic.
I'm very curious at the size of the gryrobomber, i'm guessing it will be on a chariot base or the new monstrous cav base
After reading this, the tone seems to hint that none of the kits on this page will be updated...in fact, I'm 99% sure none of this kits will be redone. Kind of a shame, since there was talk of it being a from the ground up update. Hopefully I'm wrong...
BTW, seems interesting the painter used the Ruins of Osgiliath kits, esp. since GW doesn't ever mix LOTR/Hobbit stuff with Warhammer stuff.
After reading this, the tone seems to hint that none of the kits on this page will be updated...in fact, I'm 99% sure none of this kits will be redone. Kind of a shame, since there was talk of it being a from the ground up update. Hopefully I'm wrong...
BTW, seems interesting the painter used the Ruins of Osgiliath kits, esp. since GW doesn't ever mix LOTR/Hobbit stuff with Warhammer stuff.
You don't see them mixed for the "official promotional" stuff, but since this is from the painter's private collection it seems to be okay.
After reading this, the tone seems to hint that none of the kits on this page will be updated...in fact, I'm 99% sure none of this kits will be redone. Kind of a shame, since there was talk of it being a from the ground up update. Hopefully I'm wrong...
BTW, seems interesting the painter used the Ruins of Osgiliath kits, esp. since GW doesn't ever mix LOTR/Hobbit stuff with Warhammer stuff.
The manager of my usual GW store claims that the warrior/Thunderer models will not be updated. Dunno how reliable that info is...he is however a massive dwarf fiend so it may be accurate?
After reading this, the tone seems to hint that none of the kits on this page will be updated...in fact, I'm 99% sure none of this kits will be redone. Kind of a shame, since there was talk of it being a from the ground up update. Hopefully I'm wrong...
BTW, seems interesting the painter used the Ruins of Osgiliath kits, esp. since GW doesn't ever mix LOTR/Hobbit stuff with Warhammer stuff.
On the bright side, hopefully GW won't lower the model count and raise the price on them.
So, I don't know if this has been discussed already, but a LGS near me was accidentally selling next week's White Dwarf early. The Dwarfs have a Gyrobomber coming, this kit also makes a new Gyrocopter. They are also getting a new Runelord, and Engineer Character, and the next White Dwarf has a picture of the new Dwarf Army Book. Also, if you look closely, you can see new Dwarf Ironbreakers. This new Ironbreakers kit also looks like it builds some kind of blunderbuss wielding shooting unit. This blunderbuss carrying unit might also have the option to build some kind of flamethrower gun, I'm not sure.
In review:
New Gyrobomber/Gyrocopter kit.
Engineer Character.
New Runelord.
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
The picture I got in my head was of a dwarf wielding a 40k style flamer
Grainy pictures in next White Dwarf of new Ironbreakers, and it seems this kit also builds new ranged unit with large gun or blunderbuss option and possible flamethrower option.
The picture I got in my head was of a dwarf wielding a 40k style flamer
Back in 3rd edition, Dwarves had a two-man team carrying a move-and-fire flame thrower. One Dwarf held the front end of the firing device, while the other carried a big barrel connected by a hose to the firing nozel. They were designed to be placed one behind the other so the two pieces of the firing device connected.
I'm actually kind of pleased by some of these rumors, should they turn out to be true.
I've always missed the original Gyrocopter's fly-over-and-drop-a-grenade attack that hasn't existed for 15+ years. I've also always missed the man-portable Dwarf flame thrower. It'd be cool if both of them came back.
Man this release is awesome, i dont really play fantasy, and i've always despised dwarves (unless they were chaos dwarves), but im really tempted to start an army
I saw the gyro and all I could think was, "That's eighty-plus bucks for sure." I don't even know if I like the design or not because my brain stopped processing the image at the price.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I saw the gyro and all I could think was, "That's eighty-plus bucks for sure." I don't even know if I like the design or not because my brain stopped processing the image at the price.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I saw the gyro and all I could think was, "That's eighty-plus bucks for sure." I don't even know if I like the design or not because my brain stopped processing the image at the price.
GW are insane, but I don't think it'll be THAT expensive. It seems pretty small, looks to just be on the same flyer stalk as the Terradons, so if it's $80+ I would expect to see multiple in the box.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Those are terrible. I hate hate hate that Brian Froud-inspired big-nosed muppet look. If Tre Manor is some sort of sculpting God, then he has forsaken those models. There is no part of them that I like. At least the Mantic Ram-Man dwarfs don't look like something that was quietly removed from Epcot center.
Now Scibor, on the other hand, makes some great dwarfs.
I took you seriously until that last line. Scibor's miniatures are a joke, laden with extraneous detail until they look like blinged-out Michelin men.
silent25 wrote: Mantic may be cheap, but their are also some of the worst figures on the market. You get what you pay for and honestly, they are turds.
Ugh, no thanks. One quick look and I backed out fast. I think those are terrible-Mantic's are much better (in my opinion). Of course, they all fail by MILES compared to Avatars of War's dwarves. Those things are hands down the best on the market.
They're not technically "on the market" anymore, but Rackham made the best Dwarves of all time.
The adorable new Gyro actually reminds me of the Rackham style.
Man this release is awesome, i dont really play fantasy, and i've always despised dwarves (unless they were chaos dwarves), but im really tempted to start an army
That actually looks pretty good; I like that the new units have proper stats in the WD, that's pretty useful. I also like that lord.
At least the army book is coming out too, so I can get a look at whether I want to start dwarfs
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Those are terrible. I hate hate hate that Brian Froud-inspired big-nosed muppet look. If Tre Manor is some sort of sculpting God, then he has forsaken those models. There is no part of them that I like. At least the Mantic Ram-Man dwarfs don't look like something that was quietly removed from Epcot center.
Now Scibor, on the other hand, makes some great dwarfs.
I took you seriously until that last line. Scibor's miniatures are a joke, laden with extraneous detail until they look like blinged-out Michelin men.
Wrong. They look like blinged-out Michelin men riding armored war bears.
The new engineer is okay-ish, but by far not as good and imaginative as the AoW one:
(and the painting is more fitting a Wood Elf Wizard, not a grimy engineer).
The new Lord is boring, esp. the face, not at all on par with many other non-GW models.
Finally the Space Wolves get a flyer more fitting a SciFi setting than the Storm Talon. Wait ... this should be Fantasy? And Dwarfs? No way! Doesn't fit at all with those aerodynamic rounded forms.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I personally think WFB dwarfs are meh and prefer the LOTR style dwarfs.
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Kroothawk wrote: Finally the Space Wolves get a flyer more fitting a SciFi setting than the Storm Talon. Wait ... this should be Fantasy? And Dwarfs? No way! Doesn't fit at all with those aerodynamic rounded forms.
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the flyer either, not because it looks bad, but just because it doesn't really look like it fits. Maybe it might fit better in an Empire army.
That is a hilarious looking unit. I actually love it. Wrack of bombs attached to the back is a nice touch. I'm enjoying the bright colours too, more like the old school colour schemes.
And if you make the Gyrocockpit, what becomes of the parts taht would make the bomber? That's like half a model just doing nothing. Does the back half build something else?
4 pages of runes, according to that link! One example of stacking was that one rune of fire gives flaming attacks. Two gives a str 4 breath weapon, and three gives that same breath weapon Multiple wounds (D3). Get out mah way, Trolls!
I like the runesmith variation holding up a torch.
The gyros are weird- though I can't say I was too fond of the old version either.
Is it just me or do the beards on the flamethrower dwarves and the special character have vibes of the Mantic dwarves in all their horribleness? For the price GW charges, you'd think they could use enough parts that you don't get those flat planes from the need to avoid undercuts.
AlexHolker wrote: Is it just me or do the beards on the flamethrower dwarves and the special character have vibes of the Mantic dwarves in all their horribleness? For the price GW charges, you'd think they could use enough parts that you don't get those flat planes from the need to avoid undercuts.
I think the "Beards" on the Iron Dragons (assuming that's what they're called) are actually a part of the helmet/mask. They're very uniform across each model, and having a big metal plate between your beard and a fire spewing weapon would probably make sense.
AlexHolker wrote: Is it just me or do the beards on the flamethrower dwarves and the special character have vibes of the Mantic dwarves in all their horribleness? For the price GW charges, you'd think they could use enough parts that you don't get those flat planes from the need to avoid undercuts.
I think the "Beards" on the Iron Dragons (assuming that's what they're called) are actually a part of the helmet/mask. They're very uniform across each model, and having a big metal plate between your beard and a fire spewing weapon would probably make sense.
Yeah, on close inspection, it does appear to be some sort of fancy mask.
Suggest waiting to see if an army offer like the Tyranid Swarm pops up. That would make the prices a bit more bearable and you can sell the stuff you don't need.
So.....I was gonna build an army out of the Steam Dwarf stuff even though it was going to cost me similar costs to GW but looking at the new kits coming out I don't think that I will be. Those kits are so pretty!
Someone please, find something hard and hit me in the head with it... I keep glancing at the new King for Karak Eight Peaks and thinking.. I like Dwarves... my middle lad likes Goblins, my eldest lad already has Skaven... someone .. stop me please.
Honestly I could see using these in KoW if I'm not playing fantasy with them. WFB does suck right now but those models are sexy as hell. I'll just have to magnetize their tiny feet for appropriate stands
It really doesn't. There are only 2 things that could be seen as bad design - Squad Wiping Spells and Steadfast. One was designed to counter the other (at the cost of punishing everything else)
Oh, and super accurate cannons. Not many factions have them though, so it's not that bad.
Oh my word! This release just gets better, I can't believe how fething cool that flying contraption looks! This is shaping up to be my favourite fantasy release in a long while.
I'm trying to imagine what a Dwarf army facing off against Skaven one, with all of the crazy contraptions, would look like? AMAZING, probably!
I feel smug no more for jumping on the Titan Forge kickstarter, maybe I should have waited...
Squad wiping spells are fairly well mitigated by MSUs. Steadfast>MSUs>Spells>Steadfast. It's the most expensive version of Rock/Paper/Scissors out there.
Let me guess, the bomber is gonna be like 150 pts or something crazy which makes it unplayable. Not like the rest of the dwarf army is usable anyway with high cost models + no way to break steadfast, we'll see if GW understands what the core problem of dwarves was..
Kirasu wrote: Let me guess, the bomber is gonna be like 150 pts or something crazy which makes it unplayable. Not like the rest of the dwarf army is usable anyway with high cost models + no way to break steadfast, we'll see if GW understands what the core problem of dwarves was..
Kirasu wrote: Let me guess, the bomber is gonna be like 150 pts or something crazy which makes it unplayable. Not like the rest of the dwarf army is usable anyway with high cost models + no way to break steadfast, we'll see if GW understands what the core problem of dwarves was..
Actually, since they apparently get flame throwers now, they may indeed have an anti-steadfast counter.
We still don't know what other types of artillery they have, and they still have stone throwers and cannons.
I'm really digging these new models. I think the gyrobomber/copter fits in the setting when you look at things like the steam tank. Very Final Fantasy 9. Any word on the author? I'm interested to see if there will be any changes to their dispell magic phase or if combat units will become more viable. I love them in the game setting but their gunline play style got really stale. That could just be my local players not changing it up ever though.
The steamtank is blocky and made of plates, with the look of something Leonardo could have invented.
The new gyrocopter's look resembles the 30s or 40s with its organic round forms. Since when do Dwarfs use organic round forms?
Kroothawk wrote: The steamtank is blocky and made of plates, with the look of something Leonardo could have invented.
The new gyrocopter's look resembles the 30s or 40s with its organic round forms. Since when do Dwarfs use organic round forms?
Yes - the new gyrocopter really has a 1940s/Futurama vibe to it.
I'm not liking the look of it - but I think it'd look better if you attach the tail part (of the bomber) but leave off the bombs and the second propeller. Would make it look more copter-ish.
I personally think the aesthetic is fine, I really find the look compliments what we've seen already and is a vast, vast improvement over the old model.
The only (minor) alteration I'd make is scraping off or painting over that 'camera'/gunsight that's on the nose, directly above the weapon, makes it look a touch too high tech in my mind.
Otherwise it's another 'Warhammer' contraption, it's great!
His Master's Voice wrote: I think I keep looking at a different future, because there's nothing futuristic about that Gyrothingy as far as I'm concerned. Oh well.
Not futuristic - but what they thought the future would look like 60-70 years ago.
Do you think that there will be a dwarf equivalent to the monstrous cavalry many other armies got during the last edition? Is the gyrocopter the big dual kit, or will there be something else?
jonolikespie wrote: So have I skimmed over it or has no one here mentioned that the masters for the last batch of dwarf stuff are really shoddy quality?
No effort has gone into cleaning the top of that back plate after printing the master. From what I hear this is a problem across the entire wave.
The link is broken, but I assume you mean those ripples on that painted mini?
Probably just a fingerprint.
jonolikespie wrote: So have I skimmed over it or has no one here mentioned that the masters for the last batch of dwarf stuff are really shoddy quality?
No effort has gone into cleaning the top of that back plate after printing the master. From what I hear this is a problem across the entire wave.
Couldn't it just be early 3d-prints or preproduction miniatures sent to the studio to paint for promo shots? And from what source have you heard that it is a problem across the entire wave. Whatever one might think about GW, the production quality of their plastic is excellent.
I don't think they would print off a master set then print off another set to be painted.. they don't need the pics until they have everything produced and ready to ship, there is no reason for the hurry there. If that hasn't been fixed before models were painted I highly doubt that it has or will be fixed at all.
And I don't have an actual source source, just a friend who pointed this out to me but of the 3 pics we can see on the site of the backs of those longbeards 2 (both of which are the 360 degree ones) have that problem.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: The link is broken, but I assume you mean those ripples on that painted mini?
Probably just a fingerprint.
If it was a fingerprint, the lines would not go all the way to the edge of the raised detail - there would be a gap where the detail prevented the painter's finger coming into contact with the lower surface.
Those are definitely print lines (cos that's what print lines look like) but as said before the lines won't be on the production models.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: A bit of a shame they're painting the prints but not using a better printer but it fits GWs penny pinching
They do use the best printer available - the same type as me. Areas with smooth curves like those pictured tend to show print lines no matter how good the printer. It's probably a 25 micron layer depth on those prints. It's just normally the lines would be removed by hand finishing.
Last night before I went to bed, I saw some comments on Warseer that were talking about rules for the Gyrobomber that had apparently been leaked earlier in the thread. It was past my bedtime, so I didn't poke around long enough to find said leaked info. Unfortunately, I'm at work now, and Warseer is blocked at my office (luckily, Dakka is not blocked).
Has anyone else seen anything about this? There was mentioning about the rules for the bomb dropping of the 'Bomber.
I think the idea that the painted models are 3d printed may be more likely. Since they use the painted pictures as box art now, they may need them done sooner. It's a possible explanation. The fingerprint idea just doesn't hold water, to me, nor does the idea that texture is actually present on the plastic sprue.
Saldiven wrote: Last night before I went to bed, I saw some comments on Warseer that were talking about rules for the Gyrobomber that had apparently been leaked earlier in the thread. It was past my bedtime, so I didn't poke around long enough to find said leaked info. Unfortunately, I'm at work now, and Warseer is blocked at my office (luckily, Dakka is not blocked).
Has anyone else seen anything about this? There was mentioning about the rules for the bomb dropping of the 'Bomber.
via Plastic Krak
Wow, a lot to cover over there.
- First off, we get our first view of the Bomber and it's growing on me.
- I especially like the more overt steampunk feel of the Dwarfs. It's not going as far as Warmachine - but the bearded ones are certainly headed in that direction. I think this is a strong aesthetic for the range that keeps the Dwarfs very distinctive (and collectable) from any other WFB army.
- These plastic characters look great, from the over the top steampunky Grimm Burlockson (who's so cool, even his backbanner has a furnace), to the cleaner lines of the dual-build Runelords.
- The Gyrobomber is :M:1 WS:4 BS:3 S:4 T:5 W:3 I:2 A:2 Ld:9 with a hilarious 5" template bouncing bomb that hits twice half the time! That's just cool!
- Apparently stackable runes are in.
- We get some peeks at the so far unannounced IronBreakers.
- Plus a new Warhammer: Battlefields "The Underway" apparently for fighting in dwarfen holds. It all feels very Mines of Moria to me.
I wonder if that means that the 'Bomber has a unique template, sort of like how there is the "Fallen Giant" market that only applies to, well, a fallen giant.
I can't think of any other 5" templates in WH games. Or, maybe it refers to a small blast that bounces, sort of like the WLC?
I'm enterested to see where this goes....
(I'm getting excited; I've been wanting Dwarves to be good and interesting to play again for about 20 years.)
My only complaint with the Gyrocopter/bomber is not that it looks like "steampunk" just that it looks like it belongs to another culture. All the rounded corners and fins makes it look aquatic. If this was the 'Defenders of Atlantis Gyrocopter' I would say it looks awesome.
Ya i get the feeling i would find this more staggered release sched more annoying than anything, not that i buy any GW stuff anymore. I do still stalk it though of course, like its a hot old girlfriend who's moved on to a guy with a nicer car and fatter wallet.
Looking like they've been taken from an Empire Engineer's workbench, the Warhammer template set contains a pair of ornate templates for use in your games. The flame template is used for all manner of spells, the breath weapons of monstrous creatures and some exotic war machines. The area affected by the flame is defined by the outside of the template. The sun device comprises both a small and large template and even has the central holes for specific targeting. You use the inside of the circle to define the area that has been hit.
Can this discussion on the semantics of accessory names be closed? It's all rather silly. Especially when it's so obvious what they meant.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: My only complaint with the Gyrocopter/bomber is not that it looks like "steampunk" just that it looks like it belongs to another culture. All the rounded corners and fins makes it look aquatic. If this was the 'Defenders of Atlantis Gyrocopter' I would say it looks awesome.
Maybe that's why older dwarves don't like this newfangled technology? Maybe they're sitting around, nursing their beers, complaining that aerodynamics is no excuse for abandoning good old fashioned hard edges.
It looks pretty awesome. Almost makes me wish I were buying it. Even with tax season coming up, I don't know if I'd take the plunge and grab anything. I'll have a look a few months down the line and see what eBay is looking like I guess. 'Course with my group not really playing WFB too frequently I probably shouldn't bother anyways. I doubt I'd be able to get either of the two non-players on board for it when the start up cost is what it is. Ah well, I may not be playing it or buying minis for it, but I am glad to see Dwarfs get some actual love in terms of good sculpts.
Probably still pick up the rulebook for old times sake though (well, okay, maybe not... with the Mutant Chronicles RPGKS going on and the price of a GW hardback being what it is... *sigh* ). I guess I may just have to get by reading about second hand accounts of it.
Seems like the runes will continue to be broken, unless the point cost has increased significantly. I hope that there at least is a limit to the number of dispel runes allowed...
So so far we got
Belegar Iornhammer
Dragon slayer
Hammerer/Longbeards.
Coming up we have:
Grimm Borlukson?? (forgot what it was as soon as I started typing)
Runelord/priest
Gyrocopter/bomber
And at least one more release for week 3. Any chance of more again week 4 anyone.
What Ive seen and heard vet to come:
Iron Breakers/blunderbuss dudes
Heard a Planquin with thorgrim/lord which can also be the anvil of doom so ya since there cant be a release of just a box o guys surely
Great news IMO. Saw him at Gamesday last July and asked him if was writing the next Dwarf book and he quickly changed topics to avoid the question. I'm pumped to see the final product and i don't even play them. He's a really cool guy too.
The first WIP of the big version was posted a few days ago. They also are going to have a smaller 3-copter unit, which should be more gyro copter sized.
The GW one is rather pricey and not to my taste, so I will likely use my pledge credit from the metal beards campaign for zeppelins since we didn't have to allocate it yet.
Edit: Ninja'ed . 360 degree view available at the link above, though.
Start with a batallion box or 2 and a Dwarf Lord, Standard Bearer and maybe a Runepriest. $250-275ish
Thats a good deal, even at GW's retail price for the battalion. Find it from an online store with an actual discount to save even more money.
Once you have the core of the army, you can go after the new shinies, which are most likely rare or special, and may well suck for all we know at this point.
Alpharius wrote: I really want to start a Dwarf army, but when you start doing the math on costs...ouch.
A good sized unit of Hammerers and Longbeards (30 troops each) at $150 each = $300.
Two Gyrocopters and a Gyrobomber = $150.
Total now at $450.
Army book = $50.
Total now at $500.
Add in some of the new Iron Breakers (30 man unit) for $150.
Now at $650.
Maybe a 20 man unit of the new flame/blunderbuss troops for $100 - total now at $750.
Probably not hard to get all of this for 20% off (unless someone knows someplace that offers a bigger discount) and you're still at $600.
Before any warmachines, characters or another troop choice or two.
Am I missing something?
While i agree with you, in many ways people overreact just becuase its gw. The new increase on the boxes made me a bit angry, but the quality on those new dwarves are so incredible i cant justify any anger.
When I think of a 'hilarious' joke 3-4 days after it might have been funny I generally just place it carefully in the dark place in my soul where my childhood dreams wither and die rather than phoning all my friends to painfully reconstruct the context that it would have been perfect in.
Does no-one do unit fillers in Fantasy? There really seems to be no reason at all to have 40 seperate guys when a good chunk of the unit could be a little diorama thing on a big base. Miners for instance could just have a big hole making up 50% of their unit...
plastictrees wrote: Does no-one do unit fillers in Fantasy? There really seems to be no reason at all to have 40 seperate guys when a good chunk of the unit could be a little diorama thing on a big base. Miners for instance could just have a big hole making up 50% of their unit...
Miners are the one kit that actually comes with unit filler, although probably not intentionally. The box comes with at least one (two I believe) pony(s) pulling a cart of ore or some such. A big hole would still be characterful though.
GW doing the whole "1,000 limited edition codex!" shtick again. You'd think they'd have learned something from the failure of the Tyranids LE bullcrap.
Gw won't learn anything unless people stop buying the LE books. I imagine the Dwarf LE book was already through production around the same time as the Tyranid LE codex flop, so we will have to see if (a) people realize that LE books aren't worth their cost for lifespan (roughly 4-5 years?) and (b) if more LE books for different armies don't sell well. 3 or 4 different LE books that don't sell well I think would seal the end of this concept.
That being said, I will admit I was foolish enough to buy the first LE 6th edition 40k rulebook. Now I'm looking at the possibility that a new edition of the rulebook will be out only roughly 3 years since the previous ....well, I learned my lesson and won't be doing that again!
With these new dwarves I'm interested in the thought of starting my first ever WHFB army, but with 9th edition rumors on the way I think I'm more hesitant to invest in books with short lifespans.
Alpharius wrote: I really want to start a Dwarf army, but when you start doing the math on costs...ouch.
A good sized unit of Hammerers and Longbeards (30 troops each) at $150 each = $300.
...
Yeah, I have 2 or 3 Battle for Skull Pass starter box dwarf sets, a Battalion and IIRC 40 Miners and probably some odds and ends in a box somewhere. But given how much it costs to build a functional regiment (30 or 40 guys nowadays I hear!) I really cannot afford to get the army up to modern standards. I'm not even going to buy the book, there's no point.
Alpharius wrote: I really want to start a Dwarf army, but when you start doing the math on costs...
Whilst this doesn't change the cost in the very long run why not just start at building up to 1k points of models, ones that you like the look of, then enjoy painting them up and getting a few games in and see if the rumours of 9th ed are true?
I'm more of a modeler than a gamer though so this tactic tends to work for me, as displayed by my slowly growing, erratic, collection of individual Infinity models which I've promised myself I'll get around to playing... someday
Harriticus wrote: GW doing the whole "1,000 limited edition codex!" shtick again. You'd think they'd have learned something from the failure of the Tyranids LE bullcrap.
There's nothing for GW to learn. The Limited Editions are intended for the same sort of people who buy 5 copies of a Wolverine comic book because each features an alternate cover, and believe me some of those LE cover's prices make GW's pricing seem like very small potatos indeed, so it's a concept that is proven and costs them very little to produce for a nice return.
These books are intended for collectors, in the same way the LE figures that were only ever available in the old Army Boxes were intended for collectors, certainly never meant to be used for normal gaming down the local club, and certainly impossible to invalidate just because a new edition comes out.
Bla_Ze wrote: While i agree with you, in many ways people overreact just becuase its gw.
No I'm pretty sure people are reacting because the prices are insane (a single new Hammerer is 200% the cost of a single Dwarf Warrior... because?). The fact that it's GW just makes it more predictable.
MetalOxide wrote: Just saw the Gyrobomber / Gyrocopter... since when did GW start manufacturing Happy Meal toys?
Ah! That's it.
I had a Launchpad McQuack toy from a happy mean some 20-ish years ago that reminds me of the Gyrocockpit.
HarryLeChien wrote: ... intended for the same sort of people who buy 5 copies of a Wolverine comic book because each features an alternate cover...
Interesting example you chose there. I seem to remember certain big comic book companies getting a little carried away with Limited Edition covers, and then some sort of comic book crash. Hmm...
HarryLeChien wrote: ... certainly never meant to be used for normal gaming down the local club...
HBMC Elite units cost more per model than Core/Troops because GW expects you to buy less of them. The cost of production is the same for both, but since you NEED Troops/Core and you don't need many/any Elites, they charge more to make up the production costs (and their is more perceived value in Elite units, either due to rules or quality of sculpt.)
There are exceptions, of course, such as the Eldar Dire Avengers rebox.
Zoned wrote: HBMC Elite units cost more per model than Core/Troops because GW expects you to buy less of them. The cost of production is the same for both, but since you NEED Troops/Core and you don't need many/any Elites, they charge more to make up the production costs (and their is more perceived value in Elite units, either due to rules or quality of sculpt.)
There are exceptions, of course, such as the Eldar Dire Avengers rebox.
That's bs. The Witch Elves are a Core choice, but are also one of the most expensive infantry kits around. Elite units cost more per model because GW doesn't want the cost of entry to be too cheap, as would be the case if you could buy a Core-priced box and use it to build Rares.
Zoned wrote: HBMC Elite units cost more per model than Core/Troops because GW expects you to buy less of them. The cost of production is the same for both, but since you NEED Troops/Core and you don't need many/any Elites, they charge more to make up the production costs (and their is more perceived value in Elite units, either due to rules or quality of sculpt.)
Alex Holker, you'll note that I said there are exceptions, but the trend still stands - core/troop units GENERALLY cost less per model than their Elite equivalents.
Also, the Witch Elves kit can be turned into a Rare choice, which GW also expects you to buy less of.
From what it looked like in White Dwarf(there's a bit about "painting component breakdowns" and it uses the Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber as an example), the Gyrocopter and Bomber would be very simple to magnetize and get the most out of the kit.
Zoned wrote: Alex Holker, you'll note that I said there are exceptions, but the trend still stands - core/troop units GENERALLY cost less per model than their Elite equivalents.
Also, the Witch Elves kit can be turned into a Rare choice, which GW also expects you to buy less of.
All else being equal, a kit that can produce either a Core or a Rare unit will sell more than a kit that can produce only Cores or only Rares. By your logic, it should be cheaper than either.
Bla_Ze wrote: While i agree with you, in many ways people overreact just becuase its gw.
No I'm pretty sure people are reacting because the prices are insane (a single new Hammerer is 200% the cost of a single Dwarf Warrior... because?). The fact that it's GW just makes it more predictable.
In my opinion the Longbeards are worth 200% more than the warriors. But this is written out of context. Since i dont really Think you care what i beleive im not going through the trouble of a Deep explanation
Looks like the last(?) 3rd wave is going to be irondrakes (flame thrower unit)/ironbreakers.
Haven't heard of any other new units, and I didn't pick up the latest WDW, so I'm not sure if they gave any hints out like they did last time.
Kind of a bummer, as every unit looks pretty much the same. Anyone have any pictures of the old models next to the newer ones? Just wanted to see what the height difference is.
HarryLeChien wrote: There's nothing for GW to learn. The Limited Editions are intended for the same sort of people who buy 5 copies of a Wolverine comic book because each features an alternate cover, and believe me some of those LE cover's prices make GW's pricing seem like very small potatos indeed, so it's a concept that is proven and costs them very little to produce for a nice return.
Now I can see the point of collecting alternate covers of a comic, or even whole sets, when they cost about $4 each and remain relevant or desirable for a long time, since their value is tied in to the franchise and they are distinct items of themselves.
Where the LE army/rule book falls down is that it's value is largely tied to a game with regular update cycles, so a rule book will become obsolete in 4 years, and an army book might be obsolete within 10, at which point the value drops through the floor. Ebay is usually flooded with old LE's going for little more that postage.
aclive wrote: Looks like the last(?) 3rd wave is going to be irondrakes (flame thrower unit)/ironbreakers.
Haven't heard of any other new units, and I didn't pick up the latest WDW, so I'm not sure if they gave any hints out like they did last time.
Kind of a bummer, as every unit looks pretty much the same. Anyone have any pictures of the old models next to the newer ones? Just wanted to see what the height difference is.
the difference is actually quite striking, the quality between the new longbeards and the dwarf warrior ones is quite noticeable, the armour, shields and beards are all of a higher quality and thankfully quite noticeable from across the table
aclive wrote: Looks like the last(?) 3rd wave is going to be irondrakes (flame thrower unit)/ironbreakers.
Haven't heard of any other new units, and I didn't pick up the latest WDW, so I'm not sure if they gave any hints out like they did last time.
Kind of a bummer, as every unit looks pretty much the same. Anyone have any pictures of the old models next to the newer ones? Just wanted to see what the height difference is.
the difference is actually quite striking, the quality between the new longbeards and the dwarf warrior ones is quite noticeable, the armour, shields and beards are all of a higher quality and thankfully quite noticeable from across the table
I had meant that the new kits that were released look the same. Yeah, sadly the new kits look drastically different from the older kits. I'm still trying to find a substitute for dwarf warriors.
Alpharius wrote: This week sees the last of the Dwarf releases then, right?
Is that typically on a Monday or Tuesday for GW?
"Official" street release dates are on Saturdays, preorders are Friday nights. If you preorder through GW's website you'll sometimes get your order shipped out on Monday/Tuesday and have them in your hands by Wednesday or Thursday.
The Irondrakes/Ironbreakers are going up for preorder on Friday night of this week and most likely will have another plastic clamshell character(probably an Engineer) accompanying them.
The army book, Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber, Runelord, and Grimm Burloksson are going to release(officially) this Saturday.
I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.
My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):
reds8n wrote: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/warhammer-battlefields-underway/id815246383?mt=11&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
If anyone picks it up please let people know what you think.
Yeah, seems that this supplement is digital only.
But then again it might be the same as in the last campaign book.
Saldiven wrote: I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.
My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):
Saldiven wrote: I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.
My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):
Saldiven wrote: I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.
My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):
Hey Saldiven, can they really not take any magic items from the BRB?
Nope, not a one. The new book has a BUNCH of runic stuff, though. There are six "Ancestral Heirlooms," which I guess are like the magic items that most army books come with now. I think maybe two of them are particularly good. I really like the banner that allows the unit to re-roll failed to-wound rolls, but it costs a lot of points (as you would probably expect). In addition, the weapon runes cover two pages. Armor, banner, talisman, and engineering runes are a page each. Lots of runes can be taken multiple times for a larger cumulative effect, but they tend to get expensive. I think several of the higher-end multiplied runic banners are good, but they get so expensive that they're BSB only, so you can only take one in an army.
Like the Rune of Slowness:
1 rune: When the unit with the banner is charged, the charging unit subracts 1d6" from charge distance; roll after the charger makes their roll.
2 runes: Same as above, but roll 2d6 and take the highest.
3 runes: Same as above, but if the charging unit still manages to complete the charge, that unit gains the ASL rule until the end of the turn.
Saldiven wrote: I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.
My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):
This linked thread has *a lot* of info in it. Some expected, some surprising. Will be interesting to see what lists come together...
Yeah, I'd suggest readers go there and read over a lot rather than just asking stuff here. I didn't bring the book to work with me. I spent at least an hour last answering as many questions as I could, so there's a good chance that I already answered it, unless it's really specific. I think I was answering stuff from pages 16-24 or so.
Harriticus wrote:GW doing the whole "1,000 limited edition codex!" shtick again. You'd think they'd have learned something from the failure of the Tyranids LE bullcrap.
As a counter- according to the GW site, there are only 60 copies left out of the 1000 as of Mon, 1800 GMT. So... there may not be a lesson to be learned by GW here.
Saldiven wrote:
Yeah, I'd suggest readers go there and read over a lot rather than just asking stuff here. I didn't bring the book to work with me. I spent at least an hour last answering as many questions as I could, so there's a good chance that I already answered it, unless it's really specific. I think I was answering stuff from pages 16-24 or so.
Second that. Thanks for all the info and time, btw.
You're quite welcome. I found myself in a position to actually provide some info to the community a few days earlier than we'd normally get it, so figured people would appreciate my sharing it with them. I don't think we get these opportunities very often, and it just made sense to me take the time out to pass it around.
(Though, I have to admit that it was a little hard at times reading posts where people were accusing me of making it up and such for the 24 hours or so between the time I first read the book and had the opportunity to bring it home with me.)
I was disappointed that they didn't make a way to take an all-Slayer army. I like that they made a Slayer character that can be the Army General, but I wish he had a special rule that moved Slayers from Special to Core. Slayers still aren't the most super-competitive choice in the book, but I would love the look of an all Slayer Dwarf army lined up across the board.
BTW, the Slayer special character is actually pretty good.
We'll be seeing a lot of runepriests. 60 pts for MR1, channel, AP for the unit, and the ability to buy magic defence is an amazing deal. I imagine any relatively significant dwarf unit will now take a runepriest.
Red_Zeke wrote: I imagine you ought to be mostly alright though- Dwarf armies with the old book had a really hard time biting too deeply into their rare allotment.
Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.
Organ Guns (roll on BS to hit, but use 2 artillery dice for number of shots, and can take runes, like the +1 to hit and have the BS buffed by a Master Engineer, 30" range)
Flame Cannon (can fire like the old Flame Cannon by using a starting target point 12" away, has multiple wounds d3, and can take runes)
Rangers
Gyrobombers
Irondrakes
It's going to be very, very easy to max out your Rare selection in the current book.
Unfortunately, the book only has two units that are completely new: Gyrobomber and Irondrakes.
The rumors of a "huge cannon" or "tunnelling device" or "ork smasher" might refer to a Forgeworld item or something, but they're not present in the book.
Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.
That's true- I suppose I was more getting at the fact that he was probably okay with his existing collection? But its more important where the points need to go in the new book than in the old...
Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.
That's true- I suppose I was more getting at the fact that he was probably okay with his existing collection? But its more important where the points need to go in the new book than in the old...
Seriously. I've got a couple of ideas for lists percolating in my head. The simple idea is a straight up nasty gun-line with a Core of 45-50 Great Weapon Quarrellers backed up with either a block of Hammerers to try to kill stuff that gets through or a bus of Ironbreakers to tie up any scary unit that gets through, all backed up with about 1000 points of artillery (2 stone throwers, cannon, organ gun and 3-5 'copters of various types). I'm also kicking around an idea that includes rangers, two blocks with the strollaz rune and two 'copters with vanguard all backed up with some artillery and stuff.
Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.
That's true- I suppose I was more getting at the fact that he was probably okay with his existing collection? But its more important where the points need to go in the new book than in the old...
I used to field two hordes of Rangers (when I had Bugman) and that's already more points than my rare allotment in a 2400-2500 pt army.
And on top of that I've got to make core requirement as well with different choices.
(it's not a collection issue - I've been playing for over 20 years and I have at least 10,000 points of dwarfs, but the style that I have been playing and want to play.)
They've taken something that's been a core choice since '93 and shifted it to rare.
Plus as noted above I wouldn't mind taking some of the new things - Irondrakes and gyrobombers and trying them out.
Yeah that's odd because they're not doing finecast anymore, and I don't think they're doing metal, and they're certainly not doing these characters in plastic.
Alpharius wrote: Can someone refresh my memory on what the Irondrakes do?
Rare slot.
Moderately priced; probably in the range where you're not taking units much bigger than 10. Even at 10 models, they're more expensive than most warmachines, even with runes.
They're Longbeard statlines.
They have a special Gromril armor (can't remember the name) that gives them a 3+/6++ and a 2++ against Flaming Attacks.
They have a hand weapon and a Drake Gun (I'm pretty sure that's the name). From memory, it's an 18" range, S5, Armor Piercing, Dwarf Crafted, Flaming Attacks missile weapon.
The unit champion can get a Somethingorother Torpedo: 24" range, S8, Multiple Wound (d3), and I believe that one is Flaming as well.
They can take a runic banner of up to XX points. It's enough points to give them Vanguard, if you really wanted to, for example.
Ashitaka wrote: Yeah that's odd because they're not doing finecast anymore, and I don't think they're doing metal, and they're certainly not doing these characters in plastic.
You could buy them at my GW? They were metal. Was this a mistake?
My Rumor proves true those who doubted me best apologize jk
I never saw or doubted your prediction, but I'd hardly call those "stats in the box." It's the same useless stat line that's on the product page of most of the WFB releases on GW's website.
Real stats in the box would have enough reminder text and detail so that you could use it as a quick reference during the actual game. See Warmachine, Malifaux, Dystopian Wars or any of the other games that use reference cards for how to do it right.
At the price for the kit, I'd want a real reference item, not *that*.
Saldiven wrote: I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.
My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):
Hey Saldiven, can they really not take any magic items from the BRB?
Nope, not a one. The new book has a BUNCH of runic stuff, though. There are six "Ancestral Heirlooms," which I guess are like the magic items that most army books come with now. I think maybe two of them are particularly good. I really like the banner that allows the unit to re-roll failed to-wound rolls, but it costs a lot of points (as you would probably expect). In addition, the weapon runes cover two pages. Armor, banner, talisman, and engineering runes are a page each. Lots of runes can be taken multiple times for a larger cumulative effect, but they tend to get expensive. I think several of the higher-end multiplied runic banners are good, but they get so expensive that they're BSB only, so you can only take one in an army.
Like the Rune of Slowness:
1 rune: When the unit with the banner is charged, the charging unit subracts 1d6" from charge distance; roll after the charger makes their roll.
2 runes: Same as above, but roll 2d6 and take the highest.
3 runes: Same as above, but if the charging unit still manages to complete the charge, that unit gains the ASL rule until the end of the turn.
That's just one example of one I kind of liked.
Thanks man. This is the kind-of army-wide stuff that I really like - really causes Dwarf armies to be significantly different from other armies.
pretre wrote: As an aside, this week was pretty bad for rumor mongers. A lot of folks banked on some bad rumors on Dwarves. You'd think they would learn by now.
Gimme the single craziest rumor that turned out to be garbage!
pretre wrote: As an aside, this week was pretty bad for rumor mongers. A lot of folks banked on some bad rumors on Dwarves. You'd think they would learn by now.
Gimme the single craziest rumor that turned out to be garbage!
I don't know about the single craziest, but there were a ton of bad unit ones. The 'Orc Crusher' was very popular. As was the 'constructs that look like robots from Blackrock Depths'. Sigh. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for Imperial Knights since they all are clearly just bad mongers latching onto bad rumors from other bad mongers and running with them.
pretre wrote: As was the 'constructs that look like robots from Blackrock Depths'.
Hahahahahaha! That one's pretty funny!
Yeah, I hear you about the ol Imperium. Not to detail, but is that the name that they're rumored to have, now? I thought it was Astra Militarum or something like that.
timofeo wrote: I heard from my store guys GW rep that the new Dwarfs have stat cards, and with no Book so that makes me think the whole 9th ed no books and 1 book to rule them all thing may not be far off.
Hahahhahahahhahahahahahaha
No.
This was the prediction on the cards, though obviously my guess on no books was dead wrong but I did say makes me think on that part of it.
Its a shame they didn't do anything to make the 'stats in the box' thing more useful. I'm totally understanding of them not including points costs and options, but you'd want them to at least include all the special rules associated with the unit, as well as a list of what they're equipped with.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh uh. What does everyone think of the D3 Wounds cannons rumour?
Micky wrote: Its a shame they didn't do anything to make the 'stats in the box' thing more useful. I'm totally understanding of them not including points costs and options, but you'd want them to at least include all the special rules associated with the unit, as well as a list of what they're equipped with.
It's entirely possible that this will be "the thing" with units that are released before the army book. It lets you toy around with the point cost that already exists and try out any potential stat changes.
Just spitballing though.
Alpharius wrote:GW ones, please!
You might want to wait for the "Dwarf Battleline" boxed set. I'm thinking it will be the replacement Dwarf Battalion.
plastictrees wrote: The "Dwarf Battleline" might be something to wait for. Those sets have had actual discounts lately haven't they?
They have - but at $165 listed price for the set, it doesn't seem likely to have a lot in the way of content.
I'm guessing something like:
Longbeards/Hammerer box x2
Dwarf Warriors box
Dwarf Thunderers box
One new character model (that will effectively be "free" - ie the savings of the box)
Which isn't terrible, at a discount. But the old kits will mean existing dwarf players won't benefit, and the character model will prevent any real reason to double up on it.
