Hierotitan as well as Khermitic Titan and Necolith Colosus (Last two from Monsterous Arcanum) do not have a model, this would be cool stand in for any of those. Base size does matter though.
I hadn't thought about this, but I can definitely see this as having PHENOMENAL conversion potential for those.
Yep. Seeing it now. Just gotta find a set of scales that will work...
Sigvatr wrote: Meh, I don't really like it...it's...weird. The model doesn't look too bad for modern GW standards. The proportions are off, but the model is...ok.
It's just...well...it's only usuable at 4000+ points battles. That alone is...ugh. You can't proxy it for another regular caster because of its giant size. And what, to me, is the worst: the rules. If you want to play him effectively, you basically put him behind cannon-proof cover and then just have him standing there pumping out more undead.
How is that fun? Having a huge, impressive model that does nothing but sitting around in the backyard, basically becoming more of a marker? That's...not very fun promising. Meh :(
Hierotitan as well as Khermitic Titan and Necolith Colosus (Last two from Monsterous Arcanum) do not have a model, this would be cool stand in for any of those. Base size does matter though.
I did see a rumour (on BoLS so... Yeah) that there's also a plastic TK Titan and WoC plastic Chosen kit coming.
Reading this, I was hoping you'd name any actual design guidelines broken by the model (of which I can immediately name two - poor detail distribution as well as poor proportion scaling in relation to overall size).
What I got instead was an unrelated tirade on brainwashed manchildren. I was also told large models are apparently infantile. It's obvious this isn't about Nagash in particular, but rather about your opinion on GW (and GW customers) in general.
Thing is, I have no interest in your opinion on GW in general. I was willing to discuss the model, but if you're not interested in that, it's time for me to stop this exchange, since we clearly want to talk about different subjects.
Something about this makes me very happy. Three weeks of fantasy release sounds interesting. Nagash and a couple kits to start us off, then what? What will GW be giving us?
So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?
I don't understand Fantasy much, but it would seem that your big bad based on mortal powers to create immortality would be frail in comparison to the Chaos Gods?
TheKbob wrote: So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?
I don't understand Fantasy much, but it would seem that your big bad based on mortal powers to create immortality would be frail in comparison to the Chaos Gods?
There's a rumour doing the rounds that there will be an updated/alternative model for Archon the Everchosen, Chaos's champion in the mortal realm. So you're probably right!
TheKbob wrote: So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?
Nothing really. He and the rest of the walking dead is an issue the Chaos Gods will most likely address in their own time, unless forced to do otherwise. Like if he tries to pull another "kill everything" ritual or something.
Oh dear God, Chaos/Empire alliance incoming. Archaon/Valten brofist almost assured.
I know I have joined late in this debate but I think it's VC after all it does say the 'dead rise' I liked their last reboot hopefully new stuff would look awesome.
I have been waiting since 1993 for this Nagash model. I've been waiting about 15 years for my Undead army to become legal again.
Finally...! Now i just have to open up the fifty storage boxes of my Warhammer stuff and re-assemble the troops!
Oh wait...maybe Nagash can do that for me
*faints*
p.s. Asked about this in local store, just for the fun of listening to a GW drone deny knowledge of it coming up any time soon. Will be re-visiting after the WD is released to ask why he lied to me
p.s. Asked about this in local store, just for the fun of listening to a GW drone deny knowledge of it coming up any time soon. Will be re-visiting after the WD is released to ask why he lied to me
Because he very well may not know?
Seriously. They are generally as in the dark as the rest of the playerbase that do no frequent forums.
TheKbob wrote: So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?
Well, if the champion fails, then Nagash will resurrect her or him, and will therefore have some very, very powerful new champion, meaning doom for the realms of WaFaBa. Krell style. Okay, I really wanted to write WaFaBa .
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
No, because you cannot field duplicate characters.
Ratius wrote: Why does everyone hate the old Nagash model, I think it has a certain charm to it.
In the flesh?
Off the top of my head,
He was a joke. Hat was stolen from a gobo shaman, his robe was meh, his head was too big. He was small, even by the figures standards. A skaven rat-lord was larger then he was, a Treeman,, Orion, and pretty much the larger monsters all dwarfed him.
This one is going to cost in the range of $50-75.00 on the low end, I can already see it.
I do like the idea of just parking him, raising hordes and let them tie up units, while you have some heavy hitters thumping them with artillery, like a screaming skull, or the spirit hosts Ghostbuster swarms.
That has some possibilities, but if he can't come in a smaller game, he'll be a glass cannon. everyone on the table will be gunning for him, tie him up, and keep him locked down while they take over the high ground. (He's 50/50 in my eyes right now. waiting on how the rest of the game pans out before I commit anything else to fantasy. I'd rather dum a gak load of cash into feebay and pick up some warhammer quest stuff at this point, or maybe some more older Mordhiem gangs.
Hope the game pans out though, I have a chaos army that really would like to see finished.
I see how big the model of him is and was really just wondering if they are trying to rush models out for fantasy and Kirby greenlite the 3up of Nagash, and someone in production forgot to shrink it down. Now they are just going with it.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag.
How can we sell more skeletons lads? Make it so the new Nagash summons ridiculous amounts of them? Perfect.
Grimskul wrote: I hope it comes with a little tiny cat called Mr. Bigglesworth...
Is it possible for WFB models to have deathrattles? On topic, that Nagash model is absolutely spectacular, so far as I can tell. If the cost isn't too prohibitive I may end up getting one just to paint, because it's lovely.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag.
How can we sell more skeletons lads? Make it so the new Nagash summons ridiculous amounts of them? Perfect.
Depending on what the "Raise the Dead" counters do, it might not be as ridiculous as you think.
We don't know what exactly the Lore of Undeath summoning spell does but if it's similar to Raise Dead it might be 2D6+3 Skeletons/Zombies.
On the one hand, ive never seen better cannon bait in my life. on the other... i really wonder just how much he can throw down. i want to get a look at that Lore of Undeath...
... could that be how they will "add undead" to the other races? are the Skaven necromancers coming back? hrm.
Do we know whether this is a TK or VC release? From the minis in the Nagash pic I would assume the latter. His armour looks like it could go either way - he's got the Ancient Egyptian style beard and whatnot going on but the ribbed armour plating (clearest on the legs) looks very VCimo.
I think the model is pretty cool, worthy of the epicness (which if you think about it in terms of GW, 'epic' is something that's smaller!) which is Nagash.
It's funny, I see all these figures coming out these days, which I'd never have thought would be produced in 28mm 15+ years ago, like Primarchs (yeah, yeah, Leman Russ), Khorne Deathdealers (oh, I'm sorry, Lerd ov Skulz...), and Dread Saurians. And I can't help but think, When will GW finally make the 'Chaos God' plastic kit? Build as Khorne, Tzeentch, or Slaanesh. Nurgle will come out 10 years after that as a dual kit which also makes a hive city.
So what is this and why is it 40k lookin'? EDIT: Did some thought thinkin' and realized that the aquilla is probably on the glass of the shop. Hrm. Pretty sure.
I fully expect the "Undead Legion" to be something where you can take Nagash in a smaller army. GW don't strike me as the sort of company willing to release a model that most people aren't going to be able to use.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.
The model is a meh for me but what i find more irritating is that it is a poster boy for the scale arms race that GW are engaged in. Its annoying because GW seem more concerned with thinking up ways and means to get people to buy large, expensive kits and therefore cooking up ways to get these large, expensive kits on the tabletop. So we end up with rules to squeeze in Knights and Stompers and Wraithknights or what have you, none of which works at 28mm level. So everything else starts getting larger to compensate and the scale bloats further. It is cart before horse; the models are driving the game rules, not the other way round.
There are multiple mentions in the rules of "The Undead Legions".
However, if you look in the background of the photo, there's Ghouls and VC style skeletons and what look like Vargheists in the top right, so it seems that you could run VC at least partially as Nagashs army.
I think the legions army will be one which is essentially VC without Vampires. I am guessing from the release rumours that there is some kind of apocalypse style expansion to give WFB life support til the next edition by plugging in some big kits and stuff rather than release whole new books. The rules for him suggest he's not going to plug into small games at all.
TwilightSparkles wrote: I think the legions army will be one which is essentially VC without Vampires. I am guessing from the release rumours that there is some kind of apocalypse style expansion to give WFB life support til the next edition by plugging in some big kits and stuff rather than release whole new books. The rules for him suggest he's not going to plug into small games at all.
Yeah, just like those Warhound Titans don't fit in to small games of 40k... oh wait...
I will be amazed if GW don't introduce rules to let him exist in a 2k game.
Sorry meant to say "well at all" , they aren't going to make him so he can't be used but he reads as if he will dominate a smaller game unless you tailor a specific list against him.
DiabolicAl wrote: I seem to be the only one that really doesn't care for this in the slightest. It looks like they have tried to make an Undead Treeman. In fact i would go as far as to describe it as smegging awful. Maybe better pics will help but i am not holding my breath.
Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not a horrible as the old model.
Isn't it amazing! People can have different opinions...
Note that I did not say that people cannot have different opinions. I said that I don't understand why people have an opinion other than mine. My deficiency in understanding is my problem, not somebody else's problem. If people enjoy the model, more power to them. But as far as I am concerned it does not look like a well-designed model to me, and I am frankly surprised that other people like it so much.
It's the way that you said it. It doesn't read nearly as charitably towards others as your later post does. I'm looking forward to better pictures and the pricetag.
So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
DiabolicAl wrote: I seem to be the only one that really doesn't care for this in the slightest. It looks like they have tried to make an Undead Treeman. In fact i would go as far as to describe it as smegging awful. Maybe better pics will help but i am not holding my breath.
Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not a horrible as the old model.
Isn't it amazing! People can have different opinions...
Note that I did not say that people cannot have different opinions. I said that I don't understand why people have an opinion other than mine. My deficiency in understanding is my problem, not somebody else's problem. If people enjoy the model, more power to them. But as far as I am concerned it does not look like a well-designed model to me, and I am frankly surprised that other people like it so much.
It's the way that you said it. It doesn't read nearly as charitably towards others as your later post does. I'm looking forward to better pictures and the pricetag.
Sure, hence the explanation, the polite response from the poster to whom I replied, and the polite response from me in return. People can be civil on the internet, even when someone calls something a POS. But I do think that Nagash model is a total POS.
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Nicorex wrote: So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:
Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
That's exactly how I feel. Either of those pieces, but especially the top one, could have been directly translated into a really cool-looking, well-designed miniature.
Nicorex wrote: So far this model does not inspire me. If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:
Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army. I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
I feel this way about a lot of GW releases lately. I don't hate the new Nagash model, I don't love it either, but it just feels to me GW's art department is somewhat flawed. I know people are going to harp on about "well different things to appeal to different people", and that's true to an extent, but to deny there isn't tangible rules that make things appealing or not appealing is doing a disservice to artists and art departments who put a lot of effort and iterative revision in to their work.
If you look at, oh I dunno, almost any big video game or almost any big movie, they have tons and tons of sketches and art drawn up that goes through the hands of a lot of people for suggestions and then back to the art department to make modifications and new designs. I'm not an artsy type person so I don't know what you call it, but it's basically like artistic brainstorming.
Then when the overall direction is decided and the designs get put in to motion, the designs are still going back and forth from the designers, art department and general staff/management for further input and tweaking.
Games Workshop just don't seem to do that. Soooooo many models look like some dude was told something, went to a basement and sculpted it, then it got put in to production. I just don't feel they have the refinement and love and attention that you hope for out of models these days. So many things I feel if they actually got looked at after design and before production you'd have people saying "hmm, looks good, but needs to be a bit wider/thinner/longer/get rid of these stupid little things/add detail here/remove detail there/etc/etc/etc".
Likewise, I see artwork like you just posted there and think, "crap, they must have completely failed to have any sort of artistic brainstorming session before designing that model", otherwise I can't help but think they would have gone for something like those pictures rather than what they went with, which is more just "how can we make something Egyptian but with bones".
That's not to say you can't like the new Nagash model, I'm just saying me personally with Nagash and a lot of recent releases, I'm just not feeling the level of professional quality I expect from premium priced products from the biggest player in the wargame miniatures market. If the models were half the price I definitely wouldn't care as much, but they are the ones trying to sell their product as premium and with that does come certain expectations.
I read the Dwarves section and didn't it just say that they were unable to defeat Mannfreds forces - the Elves book has Mannfred return to confront the Elvish elites but she was still in their hands?
Can you quote the story bit in Dwarves as its the one book I don't have just read it?
That's the fun thing about it. The VC book mentioned the events involving Mannfred conspiring to bring back Nagash so he set a trap for the High Elves and captured Aliathra.
The High Elves book mentioned the efforts to rescue her so they were bros with the dwarves. And then it ends saying they're confronted by Mannfred's army.
Now in the Dwarves Book, we see what happens immediately after going:
"Even as his minions perished beneath gromril hammers, Mannfred hacked his way through the Elf ranks, wounding or slaying many of their heroes and once again captured Aliathra, spiriting her away into the darkness. Thus was a great victory soured. To make matters worse, Tyrion showed no gratitude to the Dwarfs, instead blaming them for the loss of Aliathra."
And now Nagash is making a return? Coincidence? I think not.
Thanks for letting me know Still not sure why Mannfred would want Nagash to return at anything like full power - he is more of a threat to him than the Elves or Dwaves - seems very odd unless he is now under the direct control of the Great Necromancer - would n't be the first Vampire lord to go that way....................
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.
Mantic undead, easy fix.
My thoughts exactly, it is very nice of GW to hand Mantic such a so,I'd boost to their figures, considering they're not in the best spot themselves!
Jehan-reznor wrote: Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?
Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.
Mantic undead, easy fix.
My thoughts exactly, it is very nice of GW to hand Mantic such a so,I'd boost to their figures, considering they're not in the best spot themselves!
I'm actually not a big fan of Mantic's skeletons. But for people in the market for some nice cheap basic looking skellies, check out Wargames Factory:
Either way, I can tell you from experience that finding appropriate daemons to make units out of from other manufacturers at a comparable price is tough - character models, GDs, some of the smaller model count units, sure, but lesser daemons from GW are a decent choice - whereas finding cheap Undead models by the literal bucket load is possible (I remember having "toy soldier" type plastic skellingtons when I were a lad) and decent wargaming minis a short Google away.
If their intent is to do with Undead in Fantasy what they did with daemons in 40K, they perhaps needed to spend a little more time doing their market research.
Nicorex wrote: So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:
Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
Holy Mother of Sigmar... yea, if it was based on either of those, or the second, I'd be def saying take my money, please. The more the initial shock of the model wears off, the more I dislike it because of what folks have said. It is flat. It is too complicated without any visual reward. And he looks like a WoW villian and not a real scary villian.
The new Nagash isn't really my thing. I prefer cloaks and things. There's a great conversion online done years ago using the necron Nightbringer, that's preferable IMO. This new model is rather too busy with skeletal tail things coming out everywhere and too much armour. He looks more like a knight action figure than an evil necromancer to me. Bit of a miss.
Nicorex wrote: I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
Well, to be fair, Nagash is inspired by the Ancient Egyptians, who were known for having giant dumb looking hats
Spoiler:
Nothing says "I am the boss" better than a giant dumb looking hat
Also fake beards
Nicorex wrote: So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:
Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
Holy Mother of Sigmar... yea, if it was based on either of those, or the second, I'd be def saying take my money, please. The more the initial shock of the model wears off, the more I dislike it because of what folks have said. It is flat. It is too complicated without any visual reward. And he looks like a WoW villian and not a real scary villian.
The first one looks like he's enjoying his skiing vacation to me.
filbert wrote: The model is a meh for me but what i find more irritating is that it is a poster boy for the scale arms race that GW are engaged in. Its annoying because GW seem more concerned with thinking up ways and means to get people to buy large, expensive kits and therefore cooking up ways to get these large, expensive kits on the tabletop. So we end up with rules to squeeze in Knights and Stompers and Wraithknights or what have you, none of which works at 28mm level. So everything else starts getting larger to compensate and the scale bloats further. It is cart before horse; the models are driving the game rules, not the other way round.
I can't exalt this enough. 110% dead on, boss.
As a matter of fact, GW is !#@$ed up to the point where we are using them as an example of !@##$ed.
Point on target- who does this sound like?
-OLD
Product and Service Planning-
Short Term Focus
Reactionary Management
Management by objective planning process
Measure of Performance-
Bottom line Financial Reports
Quick return on Investment-
Attitude towards customer
Hostile and Careless
Take it or Leave it attitude
...... It continues, but we are using GW as a very good example of modern day business failure.
Kanluwen wrote: None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.
Kan, will you just stop it?
I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?
Well he isn't wrong. Take away the cool green lighting effects and you basically have a skeleton holding a staff, wearing a hat, and breaking out some sweet dance moves.
Kanluwen wrote: None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.
Kan, will you just stop it?
I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?
Well he isn't wrong. Take away the cool green lighting effects and you basically have a skeleton holding a staff, wearing a hat, and breaking out some sweet dance moves.
New model is silly, though.
This.
And that second picture looks like he's throwing a big baby tantrum.
"No Nagash, you can't rule the world"
"BUT I WAAAAAAANT IIIIIIIIIIIIIT!"
God, the old Nagash model. I mean, everyone remembers the hat, but there are so many other crimes against all that is in scale on that thing that I'd forgotten about. The staff bat. The sausage fingers. The sword seventeen times larger than the scabbard.
Graphite wrote: God, the old Nagash model. I mean, everyone remembers the hat, but there are so many other crimes against all that is in scale on that thing that I'd forgotten about. The staff bat. The sausage fingers. The sword seventeen times larger than the scabbard.
The old one looks horrible but the concept is better, it's just the execution is awful. The new one looks like a toy, like some kids action figure. That's the level GW are at now and while the new one is technically a higher quality of sculpt, it doesn't work at all for me.
As far as I can see it is a skeleton in a killer bathrobe, holding a sword and a staff and wearing a big hat. We both agree the execution is terrible and it suffers for it.
Is ditching the killer bathrobe and having spirits floating around him instead (as well as seemingly growing massively large) really breaking your suspension of disbelief so much that you believe it to be lesser concept of undead powerhouse?
I ask this as I often see the argument "It looks like a toy" and other than obvious answer of "Well, duh it is a toy for a game of man-dollies" all I can think of that this one seems to have a metric butt-load of detail, cool thematic parts like the floating spirits etc.
Or on the other side, what makes this look more like an action figure as opposed to some other parts of the WFB range?
Gotta agree that the first pic is pretty sweet (the right hand is a bit of a miss for me but the rest of it is awesome) looks like some nice conversions of the TK Sphinx.
The second one I can't agree is "better" in my opinion, but that is cool. I am just not a fan of the Chinese Vampire look is all.
The Skeletor comparison is pretty farcical so lets skip that entirely.
The last one is the Lich King from WoW apparently? Small picture but seems to jive with the intention of an undead warlord/sorcerer.
The main differences I am seeing in concept here is that the first two you can't see the legs and they have less bling or general "busy-ness" in the model themselves compared to Nu-Gash or Lich King.
Concept wise I think I like the Lich King one the best, but I can understand why the new Nagash has less armour and more flash due to being the magic man that he is.
Howard A Treesong wrote: The old one looks horrible but the concept is better, it's just the execution is awful. The new one looks like a toy, like some kids action figure. That's the level GW are at now and while the new one is technically a higher quality of sculpt, it doesn't work at all for me.
Honestly, I've seen better action figures than some of the model kits GW is putting out lately. I personally feel less childish buying action figures than I do buying a GW kit.
Nagash pic in the OP doesn't seem to be working anymore.
I'd like better pictures before I decide. By that I mean that even the original seems to be using forced perspective to make Nagash look HUGE (Riptide size+) when it could be he's just "big" and the camera trick is exaggerating it. I might be interested in big but it's doubtful I'd care for huge, especially for WHFB.
Of course, knowing GW they will price this far beyond what I'd pay for the sake of nostalgia, so it'll likely be moot anyway. Time will tell, as always.
I've been trying to get more and more on these leaks and current releases, but it tends to be more difficult than I had thought which makes me think that they are trying their very hardest to keep things under wraps. A big declaration like "the end is nigh" and only a couple photos of one unit, well that's pretty hush hush, seeing that the rumors say it's going to be about 2-3 weeks of Fantasy releases.
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Wow. I just... wow. What a mess. They look more like He-Man toys or WoW characters than WHFB units.
EDIT: On second thought, some of it isn't so bad. The spirit hosts are good, and Arkhan the Black is pretty cool, too. But Nagash himself and the Morghasts are cartoonishly bad at best.
Loving the look of Arkhan, Manfred and Neferata (I'm guessing that's her...)
Hosts are cool and I'd like the Morghasts more if they weren't floating.
Still unsure how I feel about Nagash himself. I think I still like him, though not as much as Arkhan.
Also, assuming the female vampire is Neferata, why is she helping him? I thought of all the OG vampires she hated him the most?
I really like all of the floating spirit things on all of the models (as well as the spirit host). Hopefully I can pick some up from bits sellers.
Nagash floating rather than standing definitely improves the model. I still don't like it, but it makes it much more dynamic.
The Morghasts are too cartoony for my taste, and look very fragile. The big skull horse construct looks OK, but along with the Morghasts, looks too techy for my tastes. They look like you could easily play them in a Necron army without it looking out of place at all.
Along with Dwarf helicopters and these releases, it is hard to deny that the visual aesthetic of Warhammer has taken a big turn towards the WoW aesthetic.
I cannot help but wonder if the Morghast are a dig at Mantic, who have been doing "angelic" things--and the Morghast are described as "forged from the ruins of divine warriors".
Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?
*blink* well, they certainly have a particular look to them, but.. question.
How are they going to stay up? it looks like the bulk of these models are problematic, as their held aloft by one tail or a bunch of spirit bits like Nagash. I don't have much knowledge about models assembly, but wouldn't placing more of the model's center actually ON THE BASE be a better idea?
Compared to the old spirit host though? the new ones look pretty cool. ill admit that. no complaints there.
TheKbob wrote: Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?
He is equipped with "Nine Books of Nagash" which grant him 9 spells. He's also a goddamn wizard.
Well, these are certainly very stylised! Everything looks like 110%, plus a few more, not my cup of tea in terms of concept but they are certainly very impressive sculpts.
I'm sure they will also carry a suitably impressive price-tag.
My favourite is probably the spirit host, really like the whisps coming out of the skeleton!
Well, I didn't know he had nine books of Nagash. I would assume having it be one large tome called that would be a bit too much subtilty.
I love the model for their ability, but the artistic choices are lacking. I could see buying one of the big undead critters and putting an armored vamp lord on it such as the one from the terrorgheist kit.
TheKbob wrote: Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?
He is equipped with "Nine Books of Nagash" which grant him 9 spells. He's also a goddamn wizard.
Well colour me excited! I love all these models, and considering I have fledgling TK and VC armies, I'm looking forward to these! (Except the price...)
Outstanding release. I don't play much fantasy anymore, but someone got busy with the 3D printer and made some outstanding sculpts. Not sure how steady everything will be, but I really like what I see there. (except of course, the GW price tag)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Is the boxed set the books or is there actually going to be some mini's for $165?
That spirit host is one of my favorite GW models ever. They have really nailed the spirit look in a way that makes them look ethereal and insubstantial. The Cairn Wrath, Banshee, and floating ghosts on other models are other good examples.
As for the rest... I'm with whoever was talking about creative development earlier. It feels like an initial concept was sculpted up and went straight to production without actually discussing it and working on weaker elements. Parts of the models look really great but they are pulled down (pretty far for me) by certain portions that simply look bad. The Morghasts look enough like a bad flight conversion from a standing model that I wonder if they were originally sculpted standing then the sculptor was told last-minute to make them hovering.
[edit] Those rules... The most powerful necromancer there ever was can still easily be laid low by cannon fire. Even with wound recovery from spells, there is still a reasonable chance that 2-3 cannons could kill him in two rounds of shooting. Plus the always-present threat of instant-death-no-save from spells.
Last time I saw Nagahs was in second or thirt edition... for now, does it will be THE pain in the ass or is look more impressive on paper than on table?
i like that they are really pushing the limit with the capabilities of these floating plastic kits...
the Vampire Coven was beautiful, and this all turns it up to 11...
i see why some people don't like the style, but saying they look too much like toys is a bit silly...
they are freaking toys!!!
as far as i'm concerned, models are toys...
i loved toys as a kid, and now i love minis..
He-Man was cool when I was a kid...
minis are even cooler, because i get to put the paintjob on them, but i wouldn't mind painting a badass He-Man on Battlecat sculpt...
hell, most of you even PLAY a game with your minis...
doesn't that kinda make them toys???
Hmm Nagash can be built with either his sword or his staff with optional book. Neat.
I too am a little apprehensive about Manfred et la. Give them time and they may grow on me but to be honest I think they may make better Necron conversions fodder as people have already said. Not very Warhammer but no doubt they are powerful. Seems like we have an answer to what is in Nagash's Legion. As suspected it is a real mix of Vampires and Tomb King themes. Pretty cool really.
Isn't Necromancy another type of lore? One that vampires have?
In fact, now that I think of it, there are now going to be four different lores associated with death -
Lore of Death, Lore of Vampires, Lore of Nehekara and Lore of Undeath.
Which feels a bit bloated to me.
That said, I do like how Nagash has access to all of these lores; the great Necromancer should know them, and it gives the impression that all of these lores were derived from him.
I dont get why people say that the morghast and the beast dont look like they belong in warhammer. In the 5th edition undead book, it was written that Nagash and Nagashizzar was protected by some huge undead constructs.
Remember, he's 1000 pts meaning a 4000pt game (!) minimum to field him. That's a lot, unless this also sees an unbound release. Also, $85 for an army book or is a supplement? Both?
All it says that it's a two volume set.
I'm guessing that one book will be full of missions and scenarios, a la lustria/storm of magic, and the other will be full of rules, lore and pretty pictures. Mostly the latter.
Yeah...Nagash is a bit rich for my interest in WHFBatm. I must say that Spirit Host is a vast improvement over the current. Yes, I know that's not really a bar to clear, but the model actually looks appropriate and interesting. Not sure I'll pick any of this up, but some decent efforts in there.
$105 for the model and $85 for the rule book - am I missing something?
Those prices are just really really dumb. $190 just for the HQ and the rules. Why? What am I missing?
Your missing the fact that the Nagash Book isn't just his rules, by the looks of it, it is a weird mix up of an Army Book (Legions of Undeath) and a Campaign book (like Blood in the Bad Lands). So firstly, you are getting an Army Book for $40 then you are getting a Campaign Book, still expensive sure, but it will depend to me on if the fluff/artwork is up to scratch. It is NOT a new rule book, therefor you don't have to buy it, you only buy it if you want to run Nagash and his fellows in whatever marvelous storyline GW has come up with in the new book to make you buy there new models. Of course, you don't even have to buy the book, as you can quite plainly see his rules are in the White Dwarf, so just use that and stick him in your 4000pt Vampire Counts army...
While i don't play Vampire Counts, i am still very excited for this release. LOTS of new and lovely sculpts followed by what i hope to be more great fluff and great artwork. Either you buy the stuff or you don't, but i doubt you can disagree with me when i say this is a step forward in fantasy, if only as it shows they *can* make a nice fantasy sculpt if they try, a fact that has had little evidence lately.
My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..
I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.
Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.
I'm more interested in the other models than Nagash tbh, I doubt I'm ever gonna play 4000 points. Would be cool if the Undead Legions lets me combine my small VC and TK forces into one playable force...
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm more interested in the other models than Nagash tbh, I doubt I'm ever gonna play 4000 points. Would be cool if the Undead Legions lets me combine my small VC and TK forces into one playable force...
primalexile wrote: My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..
I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.
Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.
Spend more money. The god of undeath demand a sacrifice.
primalexile wrote: My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..
I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.
Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.
Spend more money. The god of undeath demand a sacrifice.
Hahaha... If I am spending money on hordes of resurrected undead it will not be Games-Workshop that gets those profits.... Thank You, Mantic Games for making Undead!
are there pictures of new plastic spirit hosts, arkhan, mannfred/whatever else? new nagash looks awesome. it seems the other stuff exists but i cant find it? help?
TheKbob wrote: Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?
go. Read the lexicanum. 9 books of nagash
Literally the best character GW background department have ever produced, and the only god-damned character I fanboy over. Literally. THE ONLY fething ONE!
raoiley wrote: are there pictures of new plastic spirit hosts, arkhan, mannfred/whatever else? new nagash looks awesome. it seems the other stuff exists but i cant find it? help?
Sigvatr wrote: I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.
Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.
"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum
Sigvatr wrote: I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.
Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.
Sigvatr wrote: I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.
Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.
So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?
Yes. Except he wasn't thwarted by the power of love. So that makes him a better villain, imo.
TheKbob wrote: "Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum
I have, that's the joke. GW hijacking another trope for their own super awesome mega fluff and lacking the subtlety to pull it off.its like what do bad guy wizards do? Write necromancy in blood on human flesh! Radical!
I still like skull horses. Nagash would require kit bash parts, so $100 is a bit much for that. Am curious about the rules. I am further sad that this isn't Bretonnia.
TheKbob wrote: I have, that's the joke. GW hijacking another trope for their own super awesome mega fluff and lacking the subtlety to pull it off.its like what do bad guy wizards do? Write necromancy in blood on human flesh! Radical!
In a way, it does sort of make sense. Parchment was made from dried animal skin, after all, and what better material for a tome of necromancy than human skin? The neat thing about parchment, is that it is also more durable than paper. Harder to write on though.
TheKbob wrote: "Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum
Spoiler:
Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?
That has been around nigh on 20 years.
Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.
Spirit hosts and various ghosty things on other models I like very much and Manfred/male vamp as he seems to be the only one not wearing something ridiculous on his head. Seriously, what the hell is that on the female vamp?! It's a damn shame because she looks to have the best sculpted female face GW have put out in years and although you can see cleavage it doesn't appear gratuitous. Dare I say she looks quite realistically proportioned? Apart from the neck, that should be of an unnatural thickness in order to support the whatever it's supposed to be on her head.
Cool to see some new monsters, but are they all levitating?
TheKbob wrote: I have, that's the joke. GW hijacking another trope for their own super awesome mega fluff and lacking the subtlety to pull it off.its like what do bad guy wizards do? Write necromancy in blood on human flesh! Radical!
In a way, it does sort of make sense.
Parchment was made from dried animal skin, after all, and what better material for a tome of necromancy than human skin?
The neat thing about parchment, is that it is also much more durable than paper. Harder to write on though.
Yeah, I think that it makes sense. Writing your shopping list on human flesh would be stupid, but if you're a necromancer creating an item that binds your soul to the material world, using dead people as reagents makes more sense than just writing the right bad words.
TheKbob wrote: "Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum
Spoiler:
Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?
That has been around nigh on 20 years.
Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.
not worrying. Like i said, Nagash is the only character in WHFB that I Fanboy over.
godswildcard wrote: So are we correct in guessing that Nagash 'n friends are going to have access to Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts AND his own special undead units?
I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.
godswildcard wrote: So are we correct in guessing that Nagash 'n friends are going to have access to Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts AND his own special undead units?
I really hope so.
Geez. Well good thing I've already got a NiB necrosphinx lying around...
At any rate, I'm a bit disappointed that I feel like I've got ZERO justification for the LE army book. I didn't pick up the Space Wolves Long Fang Edition, but I gave it serious thought and you know why? Objective markers. Seriously. I'm new to Space Wolves, so that's what ultimately made the decision for me. For the same price with the Nagash special edition, what am I getting? Maybe it will look super duper awesome...
I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.
It is when it's a GW model. That's the rules, right?
I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.
you were not complaining. you asked what they were, i complied with an answer and reference to an appropriate source. i apologize if My reply was perceived as aggressive.
I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.
you were not complaining. you asked what they were, i complied with an answer and reference to an appropriate source. i apologize if My reply was perceived as aggressive.
No, you're fine. I meant the other individual intentionally misspelling my name as an act of ad hominem.
I did read on Nagash, makes sense per the story I knew from the Skaven book. Its cool if they're artifacts, but it just looks odd hovering around him. Its not quite the "how's a wolf sled practical for the battlefield" level of silly, it just sticks out.
zachwho wrote: Jesus!!! i don't play fantasy, never have, but i will be buying me a VC army!! those are amazing models! idk what id play them as in 40k though....
I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.
Howard A Treesong wrote: I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.
I read on Warseer that in the campaign you will be able to take 50% lords. So that would solve the problem, although I really hope the 'new army book' (if that's what it is) will include this built-in so you can do it outside the campaign as well.
P.S. Sorry about my username.
Howard A Treesong wrote: I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.
Mantic. and wargames factory if you like nekkid bones.
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.
justtoseenagashpics wrote: Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.
Arkhan's could be the Manticore he traditionally has a chariot made from.
justtoseenagashpics wrote: Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.
No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.
justtoseenagashpics wrote: Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.
No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.
Arkhan traditionally rides a chariot made from a Manticore.
justtoseenagashpics wrote: Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.
No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.
Arkhan traditionally rides a chariot made from a Manticore.
Well, i knew there was a Manticore in there somewhere. Just had dinner, so my mind is kind of clouded. lol.
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.
Ehsteve wrote: I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.
The ghosty/spirit stuff should be fairly easy to paint. I think Stockholm Warpaint had some Ethereal fig primed white and washed with Nihilakh Oxide when they reviewed the new technical paints. For as easy as it sounded, it actually looked pretty good.
Sigvatr wrote: I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.
Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.
So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?
Actually, Voldemort would be Nagash, since Nagash came out a few years before Voldemort. Both, however, are based off the one true Dark Lord, Sauron!
Ehsteve wrote: I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.
The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.
In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.
Ehsteve wrote: I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.
The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.
In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.
Follow the guide of "buypainted" over on YouTube for his Coven Throne. I did it for my own coven throne and it turned out great. Making the ghosts can take one, maybe two afternoons, at most.
Ehsteve wrote: I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.
The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.
In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.
Which is fine if you have the space and patience to set up, mix, then run down and clean a full airbrush set on a regular basis. I prefer brush pastel blending, which can be difficult on models like this where you don't have anything to break up the surface into a more manageable area.
I still think it looks cool, but another thing is how much larger/more spindly they will be than the previous model set. At the very least they will make cool unit fillers for the newer VC units (skeletons, grave guard etc).
Sigvatr wrote: I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.
Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.
So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?
Actually, Voldemort would be Nagash, since Nagash came out a few years before Voldemort. Both, however, are based off the one true Dark Lord, Sauron!
WOW...do I really hate the new models....they look like a cross between World of Warcraft and Warmachine....both of which I cannot stand....add in there some Final Fantasy 8....and the image is complete....ugh....
Oh well...looks like I will be making a LOT of scratchbuilt models...
TheKbob wrote: "Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum
Spoiler:
Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?
That has been around nigh on 20 years.
Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.
not worrying. Like i said, Nagash is the only character in WHFB that I Fanboy over.
The Necronomicon has been bound in human flesh a little longer
I like some of those miniatures, but why are they all hovering above the ground? is it an ability or a design choice?
Fafnir wrote: It all looks very 'Saturday Morning Cartoon,' really.
I have no idea how that thing will survive a trip to the FLGS personally, but if by cartoony you think it is "ugly" I think you need your eyes tested, it is one of the most fantastic looking minis I have ever seen.
It doesn't even look like a mini, it looks like a painting or a 3D render or something.
I mean, I wont be buying one, and I suppose it does look a little WOW-eque, plus I don't play fantasy and have no use for it, but the same as those fething tree things they released a month or two ago, I think they are really pushing the bar when it comes to miniature design, dont you find the whole.. floaty ghost like thing really an impressive standard in miniature design?
They certainly don't look like tiny pieces of plastic to me, and I think thats the most impressive thing.
Ive now gone from cautious to cautiously optimistic to restless and wondering.
I want a copy of those cards and this Book slip they are talking about, even against my better judgement. what will this mean in the long term for Fantasy? nothing, or a "new" undead faction for the long term? exactly what kind of costs are these new spells, and what can they really do? someone send in Clan Eshin and figure this out... Necromantic grey seers are a go..?
So I did a but of looking around at the details. The dual book format, with one fluff book that alters the Fantasy background and a combined Undead Legion army book, sounds utterly fantastic and something that would drag me back into Fantasy. I've got nearly 3000pts of Vampire Counts begging to see the table. Nagash as a model is astoundingly nice, absolutely love it. His rules sound as hilariously over the top as they should be.
Then I saw the prices. Looks like the books will hit the $115 price point here, probably more. Nagash will be nearly $150 looking at price bands and exchange rates.
What the actual feth? I know I've been out of the GW hhhobby for a while now, but are these the prices they're charging now for books and large kits?
so it actually is a Undead Legion army book? ooooooo how many pages i wonder it is... i hope it is a proper army book.
yeaaah. i wasn't entirely wild about the new nagash model Loki (heck, im already thinking of things id do it to replace it with a ghostly sorceress or something (this would be the time for a Yuyuko themed undead army, if i wanted one).. but the price is... honestly rich for my blood, considering its base size. its an interesting model, and the whole "held aloft by souls" thing is cool, but just like the Neferata, Mannfred (is it?) and Arkhan models, im worried about transporting the things safely if i ever did get them, price aside.
and YUP. thats about right. heck, im surprised they are ONLY charging 85 USD for the non-LE momentous occasion of Nagash (UGH). at least you can feebly write off the cost as both some kind of campaign book, / fluff and proper army book (if it even is...). and the prices sort of line up with recent hardbacks. the model of Nagash though? I really can't justify that for myself, even moreso than the rest.
eflix29 wrote: They look like Yu Gi Oh characters to me...exept for the decent spirit swarm.
Nagash is a mix of Heishin and Nitemare, who by themselves are pretty much ancient Egyptian archetypes so it's all good.
So Kislev gone, Archaon vs. Mannfred (Funny since a tooled up Chaos Lord are one of the few things that can stand up to a tooled out Vampire Lord), Settra eliminated (So Nagash is basically a more successful Imotekh)...
I wonder what the elves are doing? Aliathra probably dead. Malekith and Morathi just plotting as usual.
Be'lakor did allow Mannfred to take one of the books of Nagash... I'd assume he's letting it happen so Archaon gets in trouble with the vampires.
Wow. So spines are the new skulls. Congratulations to GW from this visual evolution...I guess?
Nagash looks in fact pretty good outside of few blips...
-the headgear is too big, making his head look tiny.
-book in hand, he kinda looks like he is lecturing
-the sword is way too big for his tiny hand
However, I expect him to look better live. Camera tends to exaggarate the proportions.
Kislev is gone? That's a pity. I guess GW needed to fill their Squat quota.
I mean, I can understand why they didn't; Kislev wasn't mentioned for a while. Still would have been nice to see an army list of some sort, like what they used to have.
Does this all mean that GW moved forward the time line?
I'm trying to think how I can reduce the head gear and still have it look proper.
I think getting rid of the bone loincloth, bone beard and giant bone hat, I'd like it a lot more.
One big problem I have now, I usually play my games at a GW store... I'm going to need a lot of skeletons... GW skeletons are overpriced and ugly, Wargames Factory skeletons look much nicer and are a fraction of the price... but then I won't be able to play at GW, which is basically the only place I play these days.
Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.
Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.
Like it was before... When Wight Cavalry had 3 Wounds. Those were the days.
-Loki- wrote: So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.
I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)
Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....
We always laugh about the skulls, but now GW is overdoing it with the floating stuff ... it started with Blood Angel characters and now everything floats thanks to some long tendrils hanging from the body of a model. In small portions this would be nice, but once again GW goes too far with something ...
-Loki- wrote: So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.
I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)
Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....
Neferata is the female Vampire with the big hat on the skeleton dragon manticore thing.
-Loki- wrote: So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.
I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)
Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....
Neferata is the female Vampire with the big hat on the skeleton dragon manticore thing.
Really - well that's annoying - have to see if the fluff makes any sense.................
ImAGeek wrote: Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.
Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.
-Loki- wrote: So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.
I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)
Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....
Ummm....
There's pretty conclusive proof that that fig is Neferata.
Ehsteve wrote: I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.
The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.
In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.
Cool, plastic, I was dreading it being Finecast. I might have to pick them up for objective markers.
Some of the others look pretty amazing but fair too fragile to be anything but display pieces.
I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.
The bad -
Everything is floating.
The new molten-skull filled kitties being ridden by the above look very Necron to me, and thus out of place in WFB.
Nagash is silly-big
Hats are even sillier big. Will giant hats be GW's response to PP's giant shoulder pads? (* - her giant hat is the one fault I have with Neferata)
If they're combining undead armies, it's going to be very hard to match new units to the existing aesthetics of either. The new units, etc fail at this IMO.
I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.
The bad -
Everything is floating.
The new molten-skull filled kitties being ridden by the above look very Necron to me, and thus out of place in WFB.
Nagash is silly-big
Hats are even sillier big. Will giant hats be GW's response to PP's giant shoulder pads? (* - her giant hat is the one fault I have with Neferata)
If they're combining undead armies, it's going to be very hard to match new units to the existing aesthetics of either. The new units, etc fail at this IMO.
But Nagash has united the VC and TK, so they'd probably keep their respective aesthetics.
As someone who has almost finished his starter VC army, this blew my mind. Jesus they are so good, those big skeleton titan thingies, I must possess one. Oh, oh and the spirit hosts.
And that mount the von carstein has makes me so jealous that my lord has a mere zombie dragon.
I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.
The bad -
Everything is floating.
Kinda agree there, Fantasy range in general has suffered from too many 'dynamic' poses over last few years. Special poses (flying, leaping etc) are cool in moderation, when everyone's special, they stop being special.
OTOH, floating should be pretty easy to fix? Snip snip, voilà, everyone's properly grounded again.
Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.
So that's ANOTHER book of mine that will be obsolete?! Oy vey.
I've only been back in the hobby for a few years and I've already got nearly £200 worth of literature that's... well, worthless.
I always did prefer the Undead as opposed to the undead factions so I'll probably pick that book up, though. DAMMIT.
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
But it's made by GW! We are obliged to say it sucks!
Yeah, I don't see what's wrong with it at all. I think he looks really cool - just like all the other releases.
ImAGeek wrote: Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.
Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.
yeah maybe - The TK and most of the VC would seem him destroyed or at least not active so maybe Neferata's being devious again and trying/going get rid of him that way - maybe manipulate Arkhan again. Not sure the TK's would serve willing even with threats...............
I just hope its not to far from the BL fluff I really enjoy (Nagash Trilogy and Blood of Nagash plus related works)............ah well if it is I 'll just have to ignore it and live with that
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
However, it shouldn't look small in relation to the rest of the body, which would also look smaller without its flesh. The skull should be proportionate to the entire body.
In generally accepted artistic proportions, the distance from the belly button to the chin should be twice the distance from the chin to the top of the head. This model has the distance from navel to chin as being three times the length of chin to crown of head, even allowing for there being a whole heck of a lot of head underneath the headdress. Shoulder to elbow should be 1.5 heads in length; this model's upper arm appears to be two heads in length.
This theme is consistent throughout every body part. Compared to the norms of artistic representations of the human form, this model's head is just too small. This might have been a specific artistic choice, but it makes the model look pin-headed.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
But it does have to do with what is generally perceived as aesthetically appealing.
One would think that said warpstone exposure that caused his growth would also have extended to his head.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
ImAGeek wrote: Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.
Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.
yeah maybe - The TK and most of the VC would seem him destroyed or at least not active so maybe Neferata's being devious again and trying/going get rid of him that way - maybe manipulate Arkhan again. Not sure the TK's would serve willing even with threats...............
I just hope its not to far from the BL fluff I really enjoy (Nagash Trilogy and Blood of Nagash plus related works)............ah well if it is I 'll just have to ignore it and live with that
they are nice tempting models ...................
It was mentioned earlier that she's joined Nagash to rule Lahmia again and not out of loyalty.
So typical Neferata stuff
These new models are...horrific, and not in the way intended. I genuinely do not understand the positive reception they seem to be getting, because all of them are textbook examples of GW's tendency towards ludicrously over-the-top models - both in terms of size and design. The overwhelming theme, repeated ad nauseum across all of them, is 'bones everywhere', as if it won't be clear they are undead unless the models are plastered with them. Nagash, in particular, is practically nothing but bone-fashioned gear, with a hat that is taller than his entire torso. I'm also not a fan of the fact that they all apparently need to be floating to add even more height, yet leaving them very fragile and again, cluttering the aesthetic with unnecessary details.
The new mounts for Nagash's generals, though, take the cake - they are literally filled with skulls. Is the overabundance of skulls in GW's designs not something that has been criticised over and over again? (Rightly so). So why is acceptable now?
I can't help but feel that people might be getting a little swept up in the fact that it's Nagash, and as a result not turning such a critical eye to the actual design. A big model plastered with lots of detail does not automatically mean its a good one, and the fact that it is Nagash does not give it a free pass on the questionable design choices.
It would be a much better figure if the hat, beard, bone-tacles and tabard were removed, as well just mounting him on a base by his feet rather than the 'ghosts and books' piece. But if I'm honest, I'd far rather have something like this:
Man.. nothing there is convincing me to dust off my VCs and get back into WHFB at all.
Manfred and the winged skeleton things I would like to see in person, there is potential there. If I could walk into my local GW and pick up and examine a store model or something I might be tempted to buy one, but they don't do that anymore so I guess I wont be.
Maybe I've just become a huge model snob but I really just can't see what people are excited about here. Now the Creature Caster zombie dragon, that is a larger scale undead unit I NEED to get my hands on and have half a dozen ideas for without even stopping to ask myself if I can afford it.
Was hoping to see the new Vermin Lord that was rumoured!
Overall, I like most of them. I think Neferata is a huge disappointment face/headress wise, but other than that all look really good. I'll definitely be picking up some/all at some point
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
Goresaw wrote: A giant flying obsidian bat robot made of lava.
Sign me up.
Except it's not lava. If you look closely, you'll see it's filled with skulls that are painted to look hellish and burning.
Which is still pretty metal.
ImAGeek wrote: Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.
Yeah, it's a new list.
With some bloody awesome toys, though.
Ahhh I see! Well I'm sure I'll have £30 kicking around somewhere....
Spoiler:
Agreed, those toys look ridiculously good fun.
I think that was my first ever GW knee jerk reaction
Well, the book is £50... Sorry man.
Ah well... We'll see what Father Christmas brings me, assuming Infinity hasn't fully consumed me.
I'm with you. I really like these models and want to get the book (partly just so I haven't wasted a bunch of money I spent on WHF not too lomg ago) but Infinity and the Horus Heresy have been where my focus is of late.
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
New around here, huh?
spaceelf wrote: I suppose it is better than losing the entire Kislev army. Given that GWs fluff is derived from history, do we blame this on Putin?
But did that comment mean "Kislev is no more, forever more" or that "Kislev has been left devastated in the wake"? Because taking a beating is kinda what Kislev does. Then they get back up again.
This release makes me very nostalgic for the original Undead army book. Brings a tear to me eye. In a good way.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
You get that it doesn't matter if it is 'factually correct' if it just looks wrong right?
I don't care that what you say, in reality, would make some sense, I DO care that I find the apparently disproportionately small head on the model to be distracting. When creating something like this, it is more important that it looks right than if it is actually right, for most anyway, and it seems many find his head too small.
Avrik_Shasla wrote: I personally think all those models are gorgeous. You don't have to agree with the paint job, but the models themselves are breathtaking.
Umm, I think you can disagree with both the models and the paintjob.
The more I look at the big gribblies, the more they remind me of old power rangers monsters (dragonzord for the thing the vamps are riding anyone?) with more skulls.
Definitely not a fan of all the spindlly, physics defying, daft-looking connection points (come one, the bulk of the tail is on the base while the whole thing floats).
At the same time the spirit host and ethereal bits look ever more impressive.
Avrik_Shasla wrote: I personally think all those models are gorgeous. You don't have to agree with the paint job, but the models themselves are breathtaking.
Umm, I think you can disagree with both the models and the paintjob.
The more I look at the big gribblies, the more they remind me of old power rangers monsters (dragonzord for the thing the vamps are riding anyone?) with more skulls.
Definitely not a fan of all the spindlly, physics defying, daft-looking connection points (come one, the bulk of the tail is on the base while the whole thing floats).
At the same time the spirit host and ethereal bits look ever more impressive.
Seems to work for other GW flying models with that kinda stand- ie the Flyrant for Tyranids.
The array of silly hats is incredible in this release. Also those Morghast dudes look like Castlevania minibosses in the absolute best way. I like everything I'm seeing here.
Brother SRM wrote: The array of silly hats is incredible in this release. Also those Morghast dudes look like Castlevania minibosses in the absolute best way. I like everything I'm seeing here.
It's funny, I got a dark souls vibe from them.
Either way, still awesome.
I'm very surprised GW hasn't released kits with magnet slots in their heads, a FineLock™ magnet pack, and then following the success of Team Fortress 2,... Bam, plastic had add on kits! You could put a skull on your skull!
I would definitely repose any of these models to be supported by their feet/legs if I wanted to game with them. The coven throne is precarious as a display piece and I used a block of wood for the base. I'd recommend the same for Nagash as his CG will probably be very high given his arms and hat. I'd bet that his pose isn't so dynamic due to the ghost swarm he floats on and tipping concerns.
Loving the discourse of people saying you can't critique the models... The new mounts are awesome but they are still made of skulls!. Entirely stupid. buy in a Dethklok way. Maybe make a bigger barge with murder fang on the back being pulled by two of them?
TheKbob wrote: I'm very surprised GW hasn't released kits with magnet slots in their heads, a FineLock™ magnet pack, and then following the success of Team Fortress 2,... Bam, plastic had add on kits! You could put a skull on your skull!
I would definitely repose any of these models to be supported by their feet/legs if I wanted to game with them. The coven throne is precarious as a display piece and I used a block of wood for the base. I'd recommend the same for Nagash as his CG will probably be very high given his arms and hat. I'd bet that his pose isn't so dynamic due to the ghost swarm he floats on and tipping concerns.
Loving the discourse of people saying you can't critique the models... The new mounts are awesome but they are still made of skulls!. Entirely stupid. buy in a Dethklok way. Maybe make a bigger barge with murder fang on the back being pulled by two of them?
So do we have any more word on if there is going to be a campaign coming shortly after?
A few new models for some important armies (looking at you Necrolith Collosus!) and a few cool scenarios that center around re-creating the battles.
Like, off the top of my head: Nagash vs. Vampire Counts, Nagash + Vampire Counts vs. Tomb Kings, Mannfred vs. Empire (counts as kislev, because they refuse bring back those pretty amazing Ice Queen and Lancer Cavalry models!). Nagash, VC, TK vs. Everyone else.
We've got lots of potential here. Easy to keep it rolling.
But somehow my money is on them giving Fantasy a two week release window to shut up fantasy players for the rest of the year...
I'm just really hoping this Undead Legions book is not so much a suppliment as it is more a standalone army book somehow. it's got the size of a normal fantasy hardback so... im honestly crossing my fingers here in the hopes it can be fielded like a normal book, with necromancers being your non named choices along with I guess other undead casters and stuff to back it up... like, i wonder what rolls the Morghasts take.
I REALLY want to read that new lore, but also the magic incoming.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.
not quite - he did not create Vampires - except indirectly.
He was a disaffected worshiper of the Old Gods and with the help of a trio of captured Dark Elves found a whole new magic that gave him and his followers immortality - he warred against the rest of one of the great Empires of mankind - Nehekhara. In the end he was defeated but rose again and devastated all of the lands in revenge. He now seeks to kill all living things and make a perfect world of the dead.
The first vampire is Neferata who with her own high priest and certain members of her court developed her own version of the "Elixir of LIfe".
Nagash is one of the few enemies that pretty much everyone else in the Warhammer world would unite to fight - but he is immensely powerful and pretty much unkillable - even total destruction of his body is not enough.
I can't even describe how great it is to see the Ultimate Bad Guy making a return after so many years of absence. This may be just what the WHFB needed to become interesting again. While the rules of special characters are usually too stupid for regular games, their presence in background is what defines World of Warhammer for me.
The new models are bit silly but great nevertheless. I'm getting Nagash, Spirit Host and Arkhan the Black for sure (and I don't play any undead armies...yet). Not sure on Morghasts, I don't really understand the concept. I need to purchase another pot of Army Painter Quickshade for all those skulls and bones.
I can't wait to see someone convert Nagash into Hierotitan (go over the spirits with putty and sand) or Arkhan the Black into Khemri dude or Necron Boss.
I am very curious to see how the Chaos gods respond to a threat bigger than them. I am expecting to fully see a reworked Archaon and the return of Valten or a similar Sigmaresc character.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.
Sorry, I should have been more specific:
What was he? He clearly wasn't human, so what sort of creature was he?
He was human apparently. Unless they changed the background, he mutated after having a load of warpstone in cripple peak. Went in a man, came out a badass.
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
New around here, huh?
What does that have to do with what MalusCalibur said?
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
New around here, huh?
What does that have to do with what MalusCalibur said?
mind. Jesus they are so good, those big skeleton titan thingies, I must possess one. 
In a good way. 
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