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WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 18:41:12


Post by: godswildcard


 Acardia wrote:


Hierotitan as well as Khermitic Titan and Necolith Colosus (Last two from Monsterous Arcanum) do not have a model, this would be cool stand in for any of those. Base size does matter though.


I hadn't thought about this, but I can definitely see this as having PHENOMENAL conversion potential for those.

Yep. Seeing it now. Just gotta find a set of scales that will work...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 18:42:35


Post by: ImAGeek


 Acardia wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, I don't really like it...it's...weird. The model doesn't look too bad for modern GW standards. The proportions are off, but the model is...ok.

It's just...well...it's only usuable at 4000+ points battles. That alone is...ugh. You can't proxy it for another regular caster because of its giant size. And what, to me, is the worst: the rules. If you want to play him effectively, you basically put him behind cannon-proof cover and then just have him standing there pumping out more undead.

How is that fun? Having a huge, impressive model that does nothing but sitting around in the backyard, basically becoming more of a marker? That's...not very fun promising. Meh :(


Hierotitan as well as Khermitic Titan and Necolith Colosus (Last two from Monsterous Arcanum) do not have a model, this would be cool stand in for any of those. Base size does matter though.


I did see a rumour (on BoLS so... Yeah) that there's also a plastic TK Titan and WoC plastic Chosen kit coming.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 18:47:13


Post by: Grimtuff


 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So is my Mac being ridiculous, or did all the pictures being hosted disappear?

I only see the pic of the WoW liche.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/610256.page#7117661


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 18:59:34


Post by: His Master's Voice




Reading this, I was hoping you'd name any actual design guidelines broken by the model (of which I can immediately name two - poor detail distribution as well as poor proportion scaling in relation to overall size).

What I got instead was an unrelated tirade on brainwashed manchildren. I was also told large models are apparently infantile. It's obvious this isn't about Nagash in particular, but rather about your opinion on GW (and GW customers) in general.

Thing is, I have no interest in your opinion on GW in general. I was willing to discuss the model, but if you're not interested in that, it's time for me to stop this exchange, since we clearly want to talk about different subjects.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 19:11:38


Post by: pretre


via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
Chaos Warriors becomes a Chosen Plastic Kit.

For Khemri we will see a Colossus Model.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 19:13:12


Post by: Sigvatr


He means "get", I guess?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 19:14:29


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Sigvatr wrote:
He means "get", I guess?


Well, it's GW. Creative repackaging is their thing, although that would probably take the cake.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 19:51:55


Post by: Avrik_Shasla


Something about this makes me very happy. Three weeks of fantasy release sounds interesting. Nagash and a couple kits to start us off, then what? What will GW be giving us?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 20:48:15


Post by: TheKbob


So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?

I don't understand Fantasy much, but it would seem that your big bad based on mortal powers to create immortality would be frail in comparison to the Chaos Gods?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 20:55:41


Post by: Scrub


 TheKbob wrote:
So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?

I don't understand Fantasy much, but it would seem that your big bad based on mortal powers to create immortality would be frail in comparison to the Chaos Gods?


There's a rumour doing the rounds that there will be an updated/alternative model for Archon the Everchosen, Chaos's champion in the mortal realm. So you're probably right!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 21:09:21


Post by: Fango





Oh Myyyyyy!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 21:10:08


Post by: His Master's Voice


 TheKbob wrote:
So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?


Nothing really. He and the rest of the walking dead is an issue the Chaos Gods will most likely address in their own time, unless forced to do otherwise. Like if he tries to pull another "kill everything" ritual or something.

Oh dear God, Chaos/Empire alliance incoming. Archaon/Valten brofist almost assured.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 21:16:32


Post by: Restless Zeal


I know I have joined late in this debate but I think it's VC after all it does say the 'dead rise' I liked their last reboot hopefully new stuff would look awesome.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 22:00:27


Post by: Casbyness


I have been waiting since 1993 for this Nagash model. I've been waiting about 15 years for my Undead army to become legal again.

Finally...! Now i just have to open up the fifty storage boxes of my Warhammer stuff and re-assemble the troops!

Oh wait...maybe Nagash can do that for me

*faints*


p.s. Asked about this in local store, just for the fun of listening to a GW drone deny knowledge of it coming up any time soon. Will be re-visiting after the WD is released to ask why he lied to me


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 22:02:45


Post by: lord marcus


 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
....why is he a giant? Wasn't the original model normal-sized?

The original was on a pretty large base too, wasn't he?

And besides, if you were an evil Undead overlord that raises armies of dead guys with but a word, you'd kinda want to be a bit bigger too, eh?

The model loks awesome! I think he'll be in the Treeman-thing price range.


Technically Nagash is supposed to be 8-9 foot tall. by fluff standards, of course.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 22:05:04


Post by: Uriels_Flame


I love it. Can totally see other uses.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/15 23:29:35


Post by: Kanluwen


 Casbyness wrote:

p.s. Asked about this in local store, just for the fun of listening to a GW drone deny knowledge of it coming up any time soon. Will be re-visiting after the WD is released to ask why he lied to me

Because he very well may not know?

Seriously. They are generally as in the dark as the rest of the playerbase that do no frequent forums.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 00:51:00


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 TheKbob wrote:
So if Nagash is so powerful, what's to stop the Chaos Gods laughin' about this and cramming a size 200 boot up this things butt with some beefed up champion infused with all the right loving?

Well, if the champion fails, then Nagash will resurrect her or him, and will therefore have some very, very powerful new champion, meaning doom for the realms of WaFaBa. Krell style. Okay, I really wanted to write WaFaBa .


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 00:59:16


Post by: Jehan-reznor


Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:04:38


Post by: weeble1000


 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:06:07


Post by: Kanluwen


 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?

No, because you cannot field duplicate characters.

Rookie move.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:18:09


Post by: Grot 6


 Ratius wrote:
Why does everyone hate the old Nagash model, I think it has a certain charm to it.


In the flesh?

Off the top of my head,
He was a joke. Hat was stolen from a gobo shaman, his robe was meh, his head was too big. He was small, even by the figures standards. A skaven rat-lord was larger then he was, a Treeman,, Orion, and pretty much the larger monsters all dwarfed him.

This one is going to cost in the range of $50-75.00 on the low end, I can already see it.

I do like the idea of just parking him, raising hordes and let them tie up units, while you have some heavy hitters thumping them with artillery, like a screaming skull, or the spirit hosts Ghostbuster swarms.

That has some possibilities, but if he can't come in a smaller game, he'll be a glass cannon. everyone on the table will be gunning for him, tie him up, and keep him locked down while they take over the high ground. (He's 50/50 in my eyes right now. waiting on how the rest of the game pans out before I commit anything else to fantasy. I'd rather dum a gak load of cash into feebay and pick up some warhammer quest stuff at this point, or maybe some more older Mordhiem gangs.

Hope the game pans out though, I have a chaos army that really would like to see finished.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:34:09


Post by: Theophony


I see how big the model of him is and was really just wondering if they are trying to rush models out for fantasy and Kirby greenlite the 3up of Nagash, and someone in production forgot to shrink it down. Now they are just going with it.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:34:20


Post by: puma713


weeble1000 wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag.


How can we sell more skeletons lads? Make it so the new Nagash summons ridiculous amounts of them? Perfect.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:38:30


Post by: Goliath


 Grimskul wrote:
I hope it comes with a little tiny cat called Mr. Bigglesworth...
Is it possible for WFB models to have deathrattles? On topic, that Nagash model is absolutely spectacular, so far as I can tell. If the cost isn't too prohibitive I may end up getting one just to paint, because it's lovely.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 01:50:14


Post by: Kanluwen


 puma713 wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag.


How can we sell more skeletons lads? Make it so the new Nagash summons ridiculous amounts of them? Perfect.

Depending on what the "Raise the Dead" counters do, it might not be as ridiculous as you think.

We don't know what exactly the Lore of Undeath summoning spell does but if it's similar to Raise Dead it might be 2D6+3 Skeletons/Zombies.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:07:00


Post by: Bdrone


On the one hand, ive never seen better cannon bait in my life. on the other... i really wonder just how much he can throw down. i want to get a look at that Lore of Undeath...

... could that be how they will "add undead" to the other races? are the Skaven necromancers coming back? hrm.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:13:07


Post by: Brother Payne


Do we know whether this is a TK or VC release? From the minis in the Nagash pic I would assume the latter. His armour looks like it could go either way - he's got the Ancient Egyptian style beard and whatnot going on but the ribbed armour plating (clearest on the legs) looks very VC imo.

What do we think?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:15:38


Post by: Kanluwen


It looks to be neither.

There are multiple mentions in the rules of "The Undead Legions".


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:29:37


Post by: Brother Payne


 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks to be neither.

There are multiple mentions in the rules of "The Undead Legions".


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:33:53


Post by: skullking


Ha! Nagash is looking better these days!

I think the model is pretty cool, worthy of the epicness (which if you think about it in terms of GW, 'epic' is something that's smaller!) which is Nagash.

It's funny, I see all these figures coming out these days, which I'd never have thought would be produced in 28mm 15+ years ago, like Primarchs (yeah, yeah, Leman Russ), Khorne Deathdealers (oh, I'm sorry, Lerd ov Skulz...), and Dread Saurians. And I can't help but think, When will GW finally make the 'Chaos God' plastic kit? Build as Khorne, Tzeentch, or Slaanesh. Nurgle will come out 10 years after that as a dual kit which also makes a hive city.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:44:11


Post by: Zygrot24


So what is this and why is it 40k lookin'? EDIT: Did some thought thinkin' and realized that the aquilla is probably on the glass of the shop. Hrm. Pretty sure.

https://www.facebook.com/GWRenaissanceCentre/photos/np.472667220.700310083/690082581066266



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 02:47:27


Post by: Drakmord


Local GW uploaded a photo of an "THE END IS NIGH" poster, and it has a QR code in the corner.

I don't know if it's possible to scan it from this picture, though. I bet it just redirects to the GW webpage anyways.

EDIT: Ninja'd! LOL


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 03:06:20


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


I fully expect the "Undead Legion" to be something where you can take Nagash in a smaller army. GW don't strike me as the sort of company willing to release a model that most people aren't going to be able to use.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 03:21:34


Post by: lord marcus


weeble1000 wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.


Mantic undead, easy fix.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 03:41:02


Post by: H.B.M.C.




It seems the folks at GW have been reading their latest financial report.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 07:14:38


Post by: puma713


 H.B.M.C. wrote:

It seems the folks at GW have been reading their latest financial report.


Zing!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 07:23:30


Post by: filbert


The model is a meh for me but what i find more irritating is that it is a poster boy for the scale arms race that GW are engaged in. Its annoying because GW seem more concerned with thinking up ways and means to get people to buy large, expensive kits and therefore cooking up ways to get these large, expensive kits on the tabletop. So we end up with rules to squeeze in Knights and Stompers and Wraithknights or what have you, none of which works at 28mm level. So everything else starts getting larger to compensate and the scale bloats further. It is cart before horse; the models are driving the game rules, not the other way round.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 08:24:12


Post by: -Loki-


 Brother Payne wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks to be neither.

There are multiple mentions in the rules of "The Undead Legions".


However, if you look in the background of the photo, there's Ghouls and VC style skeletons and what look like Vargheists in the top right, so it seems that you could run VC at least partially as Nagashs army.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 08:53:12


Post by: TwilightSparkles


I think the legions army will be one which is essentially VC without Vampires. I am guessing from the release rumours that there is some kind of apocalypse style expansion to give WFB life support til the next edition by plugging in some big kits and stuff rather than release whole new books. The rules for him suggest he's not going to plug into small games at all.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 09:01:42


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I think the legions army will be one which is essentially VC without Vampires. I am guessing from the release rumours that there is some kind of apocalypse style expansion to give WFB life support til the next edition by plugging in some big kits and stuff rather than release whole new books. The rules for him suggest he's not going to plug into small games at all.
Yeah, just like those Warhound Titans don't fit in to small games of 40k... oh wait...

I will be amazed if GW don't introduce rules to let him exist in a 2k game.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 10:08:00


Post by: TwilightSparkles


Sorry meant to say "well at all" , they aren't going to make him so he can't be used but he reads as if he will dominate a smaller game unless you tailor a specific list against him.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 10:29:45


Post by: Azazelx


weeble1000 wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:
 DiabolicAl wrote:
I seem to be the only one that really doesn't care for this in the slightest. It looks like they have tried to make an Undead Treeman. In fact i would go as far as to describe it as smegging awful. Maybe better pics will help but i am not holding my breath.


Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not a horrible as the old model.



Isn't it amazing! People can have different opinions...


Note that I did not say that people cannot have different opinions. I said that I don't understand why people have an opinion other than mine. My deficiency in understanding is my problem, not somebody else's problem. If people enjoy the model, more power to them. But as far as I am concerned it does not look like a well-designed model to me, and I am frankly surprised that other people like it so much.


It's the way that you said it. It doesn't read nearly as charitably towards others as your later post does. I'm looking forward to better pictures and the pricetag.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 14:41:56


Post by: Nicorex


So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.


Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 14:51:03


Post by: weeble1000


 Azazelx wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:
 DiabolicAl wrote:
I seem to be the only one that really doesn't care for this in the slightest. It looks like they have tried to make an Undead Treeman. In fact i would go as far as to describe it as smegging awful. Maybe better pics will help but i am not holding my breath.


Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not a horrible as the old model.



Isn't it amazing! People can have different opinions...


Note that I did not say that people cannot have different opinions. I said that I don't understand why people have an opinion other than mine. My deficiency in understanding is my problem, not somebody else's problem. If people enjoy the model, more power to them. But as far as I am concerned it does not look like a well-designed model to me, and I am frankly surprised that other people like it so much.


It's the way that you said it. It doesn't read nearly as charitably towards others as your later post does. I'm looking forward to better pictures and the pricetag.


Sure, hence the explanation, the polite response from the poster to whom I replied, and the polite response from me in return. People can be civil on the internet, even when someone calls something a POS. But I do think that Nagash model is a total POS.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Nicorex wrote:
So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:


Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.


That's exactly how I feel. Either of those pieces, but especially the top one, could have been directly translated into a really cool-looking, well-designed miniature.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 15:11:59


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


 Nicorex wrote:
So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:


Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
I feel this way about a lot of GW releases lately. I don't hate the new Nagash model, I don't love it either, but it just feels to me GW's art department is somewhat flawed. I know people are going to harp on about "well different things to appeal to different people", and that's true to an extent, but to deny there isn't tangible rules that make things appealing or not appealing is doing a disservice to artists and art departments who put a lot of effort and iterative revision in to their work.

If you look at, oh I dunno, almost any big video game or almost any big movie, they have tons and tons of sketches and art drawn up that goes through the hands of a lot of people for suggestions and then back to the art department to make modifications and new designs. I'm not an artsy type person so I don't know what you call it, but it's basically like artistic brainstorming.

Then when the overall direction is decided and the designs get put in to motion, the designs are still going back and forth from the designers, art department and general staff/management for further input and tweaking.

Games Workshop just don't seem to do that. Soooooo many models look like some dude was told something, went to a basement and sculpted it, then it got put in to production. I just don't feel they have the refinement and love and attention that you hope for out of models these days. So many things I feel if they actually got looked at after design and before production you'd have people saying "hmm, looks good, but needs to be a bit wider/thinner/longer/get rid of these stupid little things/add detail here/remove detail there/etc/etc/etc".

Likewise, I see artwork like you just posted there and think, "crap, they must have completely failed to have any sort of artistic brainstorming session before designing that model", otherwise I can't help but think they would have gone for something like those pictures rather than what they went with, which is more just "how can we make something Egyptian but with bones".

That's not to say you can't like the new Nagash model, I'm just saying me personally with Nagash and a lot of recent releases, I'm just not feeling the level of professional quality I expect from premium priced products from the biggest player in the wargame miniatures market. If the models were half the price I definitely wouldn't care as much, but they are the ones trying to sell their product as premium and with that does come certain expectations.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 15:45:07


Post by: Mr Morden


 Lou_Cypher wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:


I read the Dwarves section and didn't it just say that they were unable to defeat Mannfreds forces - the Elves book has Mannfred return to confront the Elvish elites but she was still in their hands?

Can you quote the story bit in Dwarves as its the one book I don't have just read it?


That's the fun thing about it. The VC book mentioned the events involving Mannfred conspiring to bring back Nagash so he set a trap for the High Elves and captured Aliathra.

The High Elves book mentioned the efforts to rescue her so they were bros with the dwarves. And then it ends saying they're confronted by Mannfred's army.

Now in the Dwarves Book, we see what happens immediately after going:

"Even as his minions perished beneath gromril hammers, Mannfred hacked his way through the Elf ranks, wounding or slaying many of their heroes and once again captured Aliathra, spiriting her away into the darkness. Thus was a great victory soured. To make matters worse, Tyrion showed no gratitude to the Dwarfs, instead blaming them for the loss of Aliathra."

And now Nagash is making a return? Coincidence? I think not.



Thanks for letting me know Still not sure why Mannfred would want Nagash to return at anything like full power - he is more of a threat to him than the Elves or Dwaves - seems very odd unless he is now under the direct control of the Great Necromancer - would n't be the first Vampire lord to go that way....................


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 16:04:04


Post by: Azreal13


 lord marcus wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.


Mantic undead, easy fix.


My thoughts exactly, it is very nice of GW to hand Mantic such a so,I'd boost to their figures, considering they're not in the best spot themselves!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 16:09:23


Post by: migooo


My only question is why does he have tendrils now?

Is he the Warhammer world version of Slender Man?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 16:16:00


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


 Azreal13 wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well it i better than the previous version, but i rather would like to see some better pictures. But if WFB is going unbound can i field 4 Nagash's in a 4000 pts game?


Lol. You'd need a LOT of spare models in your bag. Okay, so Nagash 1 summons 60 skeletons. Hang on...there. Now Nagash 2 summons 50 skeletons. Give me a min...alright. So Nagash 3 summons...86 ghouls.


Mantic undead, easy fix.


My thoughts exactly, it is very nice of GW to hand Mantic such a so,I'd boost to their figures, considering they're not in the best spot themselves!
I'm actually not a big fan of Mantic's skeletons. But for people in the market for some nice cheap basic looking skellies, check out Wargames Factory:

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/webstore/myths-and-legends/wgf-ml002


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 16:23:15


Post by: Azreal13


Either way, I can tell you from experience that finding appropriate daemons to make units out of from other manufacturers at a comparable price is tough - character models, GDs, some of the smaller model count units, sure, but lesser daemons from GW are a decent choice - whereas finding cheap Undead models by the literal bucket load is possible (I remember having "toy soldier" type plastic skellingtons when I were a lad) and decent wargaming minis a short Google away.

If their intent is to do with Undead in Fantasy what they did with daemons in 40K, they perhaps needed to spend a little more time doing their market research.

Oh, that's right, they don't do any!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 21:54:16


Post by: nels1031


 Azreal13 wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
Mantic undead, easy fix.


My thoughts exactly, it is very nice of GW to hand Mantic such a so,I'd boost to their figures, considering they're not in the best spot themselves!


I'd say Wargames Factory, personally. Mantic Skeletons look like sculpts from the late 80s. I even think WGF are a better deal, on top of that.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 22:14:04


Post by: TheKbob


 Nicorex wrote:
So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:


Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.


Holy Mother of Sigmar... yea, if it was based on either of those, or the second, I'd be def saying take my money, please. The more the initial shock of the model wears off, the more I dislike it because of what folks have said. It is flat. It is too complicated without any visual reward. And he looks like a WoW villian and not a real scary villian.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 22:17:25


Post by: Azreal13


They can't sculpt him scary, little Timmy may cry.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 22:31:05


Post by: TheKbob


 Azreal13 wrote:
They can't sculpt him scary, little Timmy may cry.


Cram it, Timmy. Go play MLP CCG. Daddy has undead hordes to summon.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 23:29:29


Post by: Kanluwen


None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/16 23:50:48


Post by: Howard A Treesong


The new Nagash isn't really my thing. I prefer cloaks and things. There's a great conversion online done years ago using the necron Nightbringer, that's preferable IMO. This new model is rather too busy with skeletal tail things coming out everywhere and too much armour. He looks more like a knight action figure than an evil necromancer to me. Bit of a miss.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 00:09:04


Post by: Iron_Captain


 Nicorex wrote:
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.
Well, to be fair, Nagash is inspired by the Ancient Egyptians, who were known for having giant dumb looking hats
Spoiler:

Nothing says "I am the boss" better than a giant dumb looking hat
Also fake beards


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 00:11:14


Post by: Eldarain


 TheKbob wrote:
 Nicorex wrote:
So far this model does not inspire me.
If they had instead chosen to base it off this art work.
Spoiler:


Then I probably would have gone out and spent massive amounts to field a Undead legion army.
I am just so surprised that even after all the vitrol and hate for the old model, they would once again put a giant dumb looking hat on him.


Holy Mother of Sigmar... yea, if it was based on either of those, or the second, I'd be def saying take my money, please. The more the initial shock of the model wears off, the more I dislike it because of what folks have said. It is flat. It is too complicated without any visual reward. And he looks like a WoW villian and not a real scary villian.

The first one looks like he's enjoying his skiing vacation to me.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 00:30:16


Post by: Azreal13


 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.


Kan, will you just stop it?

I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 08:31:59


Post by: Grot 6


 filbert wrote:
The model is a meh for me but what i find more irritating is that it is a poster boy for the scale arms race that GW are engaged in. Its annoying because GW seem more concerned with thinking up ways and means to get people to buy large, expensive kits and therefore cooking up ways to get these large, expensive kits on the tabletop. So we end up with rules to squeeze in Knights and Stompers and Wraithknights or what have you, none of which works at 28mm level. So everything else starts getting larger to compensate and the scale bloats further. It is cart before horse; the models are driving the game rules, not the other way round.


I can't exalt this enough. 110% dead on, boss.

As a matter of fact, GW is !#@$ed up to the point where we are using them as an example of !@##$ed.

Point on target- who does this sound like?

-OLD
Product and Service Planning-

Short Term Focus

Reactionary Management

Management by objective planning process

Measure of Performance-

Bottom line Financial Reports

Quick return on Investment-

Attitude towards customer

Hostile and Careless

Take it or Leave it attitude


...... It continues, but we are using GW as a very good example of modern day business failure.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 08:55:31


Post by: Charles Rampant


 Azreal13 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.


Kan, will you just stop it?

I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?


Well he isn't wrong. Take away the cool green lighting effects and you basically have a skeleton holding a staff, wearing a hat, and breaking out some sweet dance moves.

New model is silly, though.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 13:46:20


Post by: Sim-Life


 Charles Rampant wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.


Kan, will you just stop it?

I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?


Well he isn't wrong. Take away the cool green lighting effects and you basically have a skeleton holding a staff, wearing a hat, and breaking out some sweet dance moves.

New model is silly, though.


This.
And that second picture looks like he's throwing a big baby tantrum.

"No Nagash, you can't rule the world"
"BUT I WAAAAAAANT IIIIIIIIIIIIIT!"


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 13:58:13


Post by: puma713


So this is still legal, right?




WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 14:16:45


Post by: Shandara


It probably won't get you arrested, no.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 14:19:24


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


I feel like it's against the laws of decency, but other than that...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 14:20:58


Post by: thedarkavenger


Just to point out, this entire release makes me want to listen to:

http://youtu.be/BLak5i6BJZM


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 21:00:00


Post by: Graphite


God, the old Nagash model. I mean, everyone remembers the hat, but there are so many other crimes against all that is in scale on that thing that I'd forgotten about. The staff bat. The sausage fingers. The sword seventeen times larger than the scabbard.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 22:25:36


Post by: MaxT


It's the cheeks I could never get over.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/17 22:28:51


Post by: Micky


Soooo I heard this might come with a campaign book with alternate army lists ala. Storm of Chaos.

If so... yes. Want. <3

If it's just gonna be another fething dataslate thing, though. No. Such a fail.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 08:08:27


Post by: Iron_Captain


Graphite wrote:
God, the old Nagash model. I mean, everyone remembers the hat, but there are so many other crimes against all that is in scale on that thing that I'd forgotten about. The staff bat. The sausage fingers. The sword seventeen times larger than the scabbard.
Banana pauldrons?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 08:38:58


Post by: DiabolicAl


Call me insane, but i would have rather had an updated (ie not rubbish) version of the old Nagash than the ridicucrap that we ended up with.

Although the execution is laughable i still think Morley's effort is closer to the source material and concept of the almighty Necromancer.

Still i havent seen detailed pics of the new model yet so i am happy to have my preconceptions changed....


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 08:45:19


Post by: Howard A Treesong


The old one looks horrible but the concept is better, it's just the execution is awful. The new one looks like a toy, like some kids action figure. That's the level GW are at now and while the new one is technically a higher quality of sculpt, it doesn't work at all for me.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 09:06:15


Post by: Vain


May I ask how is the old one better conceptually?

As far as I can see it is a skeleton in a killer bathrobe, holding a sword and a staff and wearing a big hat. We both agree the execution is terrible and it suffers for it.

Is ditching the killer bathrobe and having spirits floating around him instead (as well as seemingly growing massively large) really breaking your suspension of disbelief so much that you believe it to be lesser concept of undead powerhouse?

I ask this as I often see the argument "It looks like a toy" and other than obvious answer of "Well, duh it is a toy for a game of man-dollies" all I can think of that this one seems to have a metric butt-load of detail, cool thematic parts like the floating spirits etc.

Or on the other side, what makes this look more like an action figure as opposed to some other parts of the WFB range?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 09:15:28


Post by: Malika2


Where is the image? Seems to have bee removed. :(


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 09:52:47


Post by: DiabolicAl




Couldn't agree more. GW have no idea what subtlety is these days....


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 10:12:57


Post by: Vain


Gotta agree that the first pic is pretty sweet (the right hand is a bit of a miss for me but the rest of it is awesome) looks like some nice conversions of the TK Sphinx.

The second one I can't agree is "better" in my opinion, but that is cool. I am just not a fan of the Chinese Vampire look is all.

The Skeletor comparison is pretty farcical so lets skip that entirely.

The last one is the Lich King from WoW apparently? Small picture but seems to jive with the intention of an undead warlord/sorcerer.

The main differences I am seeing in concept here is that the first two you can't see the legs and they have less bling or general "busy-ness" in the model themselves compared to Nu-Gash or Lich King.

Concept wise I think I like the Lich King one the best, but I can understand why the new Nagash has less armour and more flash due to being the magic man that he is.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 10:32:35


Post by: Howard A Treesong


The only thing I dislike about the second conversion is the shoulder pads, it's an odd choice to keep that look.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 10:57:50


Post by: Sidstyler


 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The old one looks horrible but the concept is better, it's just the execution is awful. The new one looks like a toy, like some kids action figure. That's the level GW are at now and while the new one is technically a higher quality of sculpt, it doesn't work at all for me.


Honestly, I've seen better action figures than some of the model kits GW is putting out lately. I personally feel less childish buying action figures than I do buying a GW kit.

Nagash pic in the OP doesn't seem to be working anymore.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 11:09:57


Post by: Krinsath


I'd like better pictures before I decide. By that I mean that even the original seems to be using forced perspective to make Nagash look HUGE (Riptide size+) when it could be he's just "big" and the camera trick is exaggerating it. I might be interested in big but it's doubtful I'd care for huge, especially for WHFB.

Of course, knowing GW they will price this far beyond what I'd pay for the sake of nostalgia, so it'll likely be moot anyway. Time will tell, as always.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 12:11:17


Post by: Avrik_Shasla


I've been trying to get more and more on these leaks and current releases, but it tends to be more difficult than I had thought which makes me think that they are trying their very hardest to keep things under wraps. A big declaration like "the end is nigh" and only a couple photos of one unit, well that's pretty hush hush, seeing that the rumors say it's going to be about 2-3 weeks of Fantasy releases.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hey all! Just got this from my FLGS!

Warhammer Fantasy players! Death is upon you! Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead will be unleashed next Friday (the 29th)! Also coming is a massive WHF Boxed kit named Nemesis Vanguard, as well as Lore of Undeath battle magic cards and a special 2 book set for Nagash with rules and lore!
Here are your ghoulish 25% preorder discounts for this week!

Nagash $78.75
Nemesis Vanguard $161.25
End Times: Nagash $63.75
WBM: Lore of Undeath $5.63
(Prices listed are after discount, tax not included)

These deals are good till Sunday, August 24th, so don't end up haunted for letting them slip away!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:21:27


Post by: stormboy


Got my White Dwarf Visions about 2 weeks early.

Sorry everyone - some body reported my images...
































WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:23:38


Post by: pretre


Wow! Those are cool.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:23:52


Post by: Sigvatr


Nagash, or:

holycrapfalloveronceandbreakapart

And what's up with that skeleton beard? O_o


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:25:13


Post by: Azreal13


Wow, flying horses made of skulls?

Wow.

I mean, they do look really cool, especially Arkhan The Black, but, wow.

Some nice tattered wings I'll be grabbing when they filter through to the bits sellers on the Morghasts too.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:25:17


Post by: stormboy


My apologies for the sideways pictures... they are unsideways in my phone and on the bucket... hmmm


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:25:50


Post by: pretre


stormboy wrote:
My apologies for the sideways pictures... they are unsideways in my phone and on the bucket... hmmm

They're unsideways for me as well.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:26:19


Post by: Kanluwen


Holy crap. WANT.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:27:49


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Ooo it is a big release isn't it

Nagash,

Dual build Morghast

Spirit Host

RIder on undead horse beast (could be triple kit with below?)

riders on undead horses


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:28:52


Post by: AlexHolker


 Sigvatr wrote:
And what's up with that skeleton beard? O_o

In Ancient Egypt, a fake bead was used as a symbol of divinity. GW, of course, fethed it up.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:30:05


Post by: Guildsman


He's fething floating?!

Wow. I just... wow. What a mess. They look more like He-Man toys or WoW characters than WHFB units.

EDIT: On second thought, some of it isn't so bad. The spirit hosts are good, and Arkhan the Black is pretty cool, too. But Nagash himself and the Morghasts are cartoonishly bad at best.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:31:11


Post by: primalexile


I will be carving the beard of Nagash other than that I think this is the best WHFB release in years!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:36:26


Post by: stormboy


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


RIder on undead horse beast (could be triple kit with below?)

riders on undead horses


Triple kit

The Mortarchs - immortatal servants - Mannfred Von Carstein, Arkhan the Black, Neferata. They all have steeds made of skulls.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:43:16


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Loving the look of Arkhan, Manfred and Neferata (I'm guessing that's her...)
Hosts are cool and I'd like the Morghasts more if they weren't floating.
Still unsure how I feel about Nagash himself. I think I still like him, though not as much as Arkhan.

Also, assuming the female vampire is Neferata, why is she helping him? I thought of all the OG vampires she hated him the most?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:46:17


Post by: stormboy


In the blurb in the Visions it states she is "bending knee to Nagash, not out of loyalty, but because she dreams of reclaiming lost Lahmia."


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:46:19


Post by: Saldiven


Why does Nagash have such a tiny little pin head.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:48:41


Post by: gorgon


Compensation for the giant melonhead of the last version, I think.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:49:19


Post by: AlexHolker


Saldiven wrote:
Why does Nagash have such a tiny little pin head.

Apparently warpstone works on everything but brains.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:50:11


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Ah, so she is doing it to rebuild Lahmia like most things she does.
That makes a lot more sense then being loyal!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:51:48


Post by: Gallahad


I really like all of the floating spirit things on all of the models (as well as the spirit host). Hopefully I can pick some up from bits sellers.

Nagash floating rather than standing definitely improves the model. I still don't like it, but it makes it much more dynamic.

The Morghasts are too cartoony for my taste, and look very fragile. The big skull horse construct looks OK, but along with the Morghasts, looks too techy for my tastes. They look like you could easily play them in a Necron army without it looking out of place at all.

Along with Dwarf helicopters and these releases, it is hard to deny that the visual aesthetic of Warhammer has taken a big turn towards the WoW aesthetic.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:54:59


Post by: Kanluwen


I cannot help but wonder if the Morghast are a dig at Mantic, who have been doing "angelic" things--and the Morghast are described as "forged from the ruins of divine warriors".


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:57:36


Post by: Gorlack


Simply stunning minis! Same style as the Vampire Count floating throne thingy which I absolutely loved!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 20:59:28


Post by: TheKbob


Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:01:41


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Azreal13 wrote:
Wow, flying horses made of skulls?

Wow.

I mean, they do look really cool, especially Arkhan The Black, but, wow.


For once GW's skull obsession makes some sense in terms of design.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:02:26


Post by: Bdrone


*blink* well, they certainly have a particular look to them, but.. question.

How are they going to stay up? it looks like the bulk of these models are problematic, as their held aloft by one tail or a bunch of spirit bits like Nagash. I don't have much knowledge about models assembly, but wouldn't placing more of the model's center actually ON THE BASE be a better idea?

Compared to the old spirit host though? the new ones look pretty cool. ill admit that. no complaints there.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:05:55


Post by: stormboy


Just found the page with prices.

Nagash - 105USD
Martarchs - 79 USD (On sale Sept 6)
Spirit Hosts (3 models) - 26 USD (On sale Sept 13)
Morghast (2 models/dual kit) - 59 USD (On sale Sept 13)


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:06:43


Post by: rollawaythestone


 TheKbob wrote:
Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?


He is equipped with "Nine Books of Nagash" which grant him 9 spells. He's also a goddamn wizard.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:08:40


Post by: Pacific


Well, these are certainly very stylised! Everything looks like 110%, plus a few more, not my cup of tea in terms of concept but they are certainly very impressive sculpts.

I'm sure they will also carry a suitably impressive price-tag.

My favourite is probably the spirit host, really like the whisps coming out of the skeleton!



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:11:27


Post by: TheKbob


Well, I didn't know he had nine books of Nagash. I would assume having it be one large tome called that would be a bit too much subtilty.

I love the model for their ability, but the artistic choices are lacking. I could see buying one of the big undead critters and putting an armored vamp lord on it such as the one from the terrorgheist kit.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:11:51


Post by: streetsamurai


wow, these morghasts are incredible


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:14:09


Post by: pretre


rollawaythestone wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?


He is equipped with "Nine Books of Nagash" which grant him 9 spells. He's also a goddamn wizard.

I chuckled at this. Well done.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:15:21


Post by: Destrado


I think the Morghasts are dreadful, uninspired static pose, while the concept could be great I think they ultimately fall very short.

The other three riders, Manfred (?) is the worst, but I dig the other two. A lot.

And I love the new Nagash, but be aware that the "fake metal/bone" beard has a meaning (http://mentalfloss.com/article/50076/why-did-egyptian-pharaohs-wear-false-beards) and the other thing around it seems to be hair and not beard.

And while I do love him, I don't € 100,00 love him.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:17:00


Post by: ImAGeek


Well colour me excited! I love all these models, and considering I have fledgling TK and VC armies, I'm looking forward to these! (Except the price...)


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:19:30


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/white-dwarf-30-wycieki-leaks.html

Grot Orderly has now posted too



Nagash is indeed a 'full' army book (in price at least) at £50 or £100 for the LE


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:20:16


Post by: Uriels_Flame


Outstanding release. I don't play much fantasy anymore, but someone got busy with the 3D printer and made some outstanding sculpts. Not sure how steady everything will be, but I really like what I see there. (except of course, the GW price tag)


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is the boxed set the books or is there actually going to be some mini's for $165?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:22:04


Post by: pretre


From Grot Orderly








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WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:23:28


Post by: NinthMusketeer


That spirit host is one of my favorite GW models ever. They have really nailed the spirit look in a way that makes them look ethereal and insubstantial. The Cairn Wrath, Banshee, and floating ghosts on other models are other good examples.

As for the rest... I'm with whoever was talking about creative development earlier. It feels like an initial concept was sculpted up and went straight to production without actually discussing it and working on weaker elements. Parts of the models look really great but they are pulled down (pretty far for me) by certain portions that simply look bad. The Morghasts look enough like a bad flight conversion from a standing model that I wonder if they were originally sculpted standing then the sculptor was told last-minute to make them hovering.

[edit] Those rules... The most powerful necromancer there ever was can still easily be laid low by cannon fire. Even with wound recovery from spells, there is still a reasonable chance that 2-3 cannons could kill him in two rounds of shooting. Plus the always-present threat of instant-death-no-save from spells.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:26:15


Post by: ImAGeek


Yeahhhh expensive like I thought. I'll probably still get it though.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:26:21


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Not sure I like the idea of Slaan using the Lore of Undeath.
Sounds like the whole demon lore thing in Wh40k.

Granted, I don't have to use it, but the very existence that that option bothers me.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:26:22


Post by: hellpato


Last time I saw Nagahs was in second or thirt edition... for now, does it will be THE pain in the ass or is look more impressive on paper than on table?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:27:47


Post by: streetsamurai


Equipped with the sword, Nagash is literally epic. I love everything shown, except for manfred mount who's a fail in my book. It's way too cartoonish.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:28:21


Post by: jah-joshua


i like that they are really pushing the limit with the capabilities of these floating plastic kits...
the Vampire Coven was beautiful, and this all turns it up to 11...

i see why some people don't like the style, but saying they look too much like toys is a bit silly...
they are freaking toys!!!
as far as i'm concerned, models are toys...

i loved toys as a kid, and now i love minis..
He-Man was cool when I was a kid...
minis are even cooler, because i get to put the paintjob on them, but i wouldn't mind painting a badass He-Man on Battlecat sculpt...

hell, most of you even PLAY a game with your minis...
doesn't that kinda make them toys???

cheers
jah


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:29:15


Post by: Eldarain


So Necromancy is going to be the Daemonology equivalent. With only 7 cards I guess they aren't going the Sanctic/Malefic route this time.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:32:25


Post by: ceorron


Hmm Nagash can be built with either his sword or his staff with optional book. Neat.

I too am a little apprehensive about Manfred et la. Give them time and they may grow on me but to be honest I think they may make better Necron conversions fodder as people have already said. Not very Warhammer but no doubt they are powerful. Seems like we have an answer to what is in Nagash's Legion. As suspected it is a real mix of Vampires and Tomb King themes. Pretty cool really.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:32:56


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Isn't Necromancy another type of lore? One that vampires have?
In fact, now that I think of it, there are now going to be four different lores associated with death -

Lore of Death, Lore of Vampires, Lore of Nehekara and Lore of Undeath.

Which feels a bit bloated to me.
That said, I do like how Nagash has access to all of these lores; the great Necromancer should know them, and it gives the impression that all of these lores were derived from him.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:33:32


Post by: fullheadofhair


Expensive is not the word.

$105 for the model and $85 for the rule book - am I missing something?

Those prices are just really really dumb. $190 just for the HQ and the rules. Why? What am I missing?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:35:07


Post by: Shandara


Only 750 copies of the LE.. they going lower and lower, a new trend?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:35:31


Post by: ImAGeek


You're not missing anything it's expensive. He is 1000 points though, and he looks massive.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:36:18


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


ImAGeek wrote:
You're not missing anything it's expensive. He is 1000 points though, and he looks massive.


Yeah, turns out ghosts are the necromantic version of high heels


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:37:55


Post by: streetsamurai


I dont get why people say that the morghast and the beast dont look like they belong in warhammer. In the 5th edition undead book, it was written that Nagash and Nagashizzar was protected by some huge undead constructs.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:38:48


Post by: TheKbob


Remember, he's 1000 pts meaning a 4000pt game (!) minimum to field him. That's a lot, unless this also sees an unbound release. Also, $85 for an army book or is a supplement? Both?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:40:15


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


All it says that it's a two volume set.
I'm guessing that one book will be full of missions and scenarios, a la lustria/storm of magic, and the other will be full of rules, lore and pretty pictures. Mostly the latter.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:42:46


Post by: Krinsath


Yeah...Nagash is a bit rich for my interest in WHFB atm. I must say that Spirit Host is a vast improvement over the current. Yes, I know that's not really a bar to clear, but the model actually looks appropriate and interesting. Not sure I'll pick any of this up, but some decent efforts in there.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:44:27


Post by: Mr Morden


Interested to see what the new story / fluff is - is Mannfred under the control of Nagash etc

Some great looking models there


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:45:14


Post by: ALEXisAWESOME


 fullheadofhair wrote:
Expensive is not the word.

$105 for the model and $85 for the rule book - am I missing something?

Those prices are just really really dumb. $190 just for the HQ and the rules. Why? What am I missing?


Your missing the fact that the Nagash Book isn't just his rules, by the looks of it, it is a weird mix up of an Army Book (Legions of Undeath) and a Campaign book (like Blood in the Bad Lands). So firstly, you are getting an Army Book for $40 then you are getting a Campaign Book, still expensive sure, but it will depend to me on if the fluff/artwork is up to scratch. It is NOT a new rule book, therefor you don't have to buy it, you only buy it if you want to run Nagash and his fellows in whatever marvelous storyline GW has come up with in the new book to make you buy there new models. Of course, you don't even have to buy the book, as you can quite plainly see his rules are in the White Dwarf, so just use that and stick him in your 4000pt Vampire Counts army...

While i don't play Vampire Counts, i am still very excited for this release. LOTS of new and lovely sculpts followed by what i hope to be more great fluff and great artwork. Either you buy the stuff or you don't, but i doubt you can disagree with me when i say this is a step forward in fantasy, if only as it shows they *can* make a nice fantasy sculpt if they try, a fact that has had little evidence lately.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:53:43


Post by: primalexile


My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..

I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.

Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:55:18


Post by: UltraPrime


There must be more to this. 4,000 does seem a bit off.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:57:08


Post by: ImAGeek


I'm more interested in the other models than Nagash tbh, I doubt I'm ever gonna play 4000 points. Would be cool if the Undead Legions lets me combine my small VC and TK forces into one playable force...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'm more interested in the other models than Nagash tbh, I doubt I'm ever gonna play 4000 points. Would be cool if the Undead Legions lets me combine my small VC and TK forces into one playable force...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 21:58:15


Post by: Col. Tartleton


 primalexile wrote:
My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..

I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.

Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.


Spend more money. The god of undeath demand a sacrifice.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:00:01


Post by: Azreal13


Not a Fantasy player, but the flying skull pony might be the first GW kit that makes it on to my "just to paint" list in quite some time.

Even with ALL OF THE SKULLS!!!!1!!!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:00:13


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Not really.
They probably made Nagash that expensive to make sure he can only be used in large games.

After all, why should the lord of necromancy take part in a small brawl?

That's something that's always irked me in wh40k; why would Marneus Calgar bother with what effectively measures up to a minor skirmish?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:00:47


Post by: primalexile


 Col. Tartleton wrote:
 primalexile wrote:
My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..

I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.

Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.


Spend more money. The god of undeath demand a sacrifice.


Hahaha... If I am spending money on hordes of resurrected undead it will not be Games-Workshop that gets those profits.... Thank You, Mantic Games for making Undead!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:05:16


Post by: raoiley


are there pictures of new plastic spirit hosts, arkhan, mannfred/whatever else? new nagash looks awesome. it seems the other stuff exists but i cant find it? help?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:06:25


Post by: lord marcus


 TheKbob wrote:
Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?


go. Read the lexicanum. 9 books of nagash

Literally the best character GW background department have ever produced, and the only god-damned character I fanboy over. Literally. THE ONLY fething ONE!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:07:54


Post by: Sigvatr


I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:10:10


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


raoiley wrote:
are there pictures of new plastic spirit hosts, arkhan, mannfred/whatever else? new nagash looks awesome. it seems the other stuff exists but i cant find it? help?


They are on page 13, hidden by a spoiler tag.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:19:06


Post by: lord marcus


 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.


Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:20:32


Post by: TheKbob


"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum


Spoiler:


Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:21:02


Post by: zachwho


Jesus!!! i don't play fantasy, never have, but i will be buying me a VC army!! those are amazing models! idk what id play them as in 40k though....


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:21:18


Post by: Sigvatr


 lord marcus wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.


Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.


So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:21:46


Post by: primalexile


Is the female Vampire supposed to be Neferata ?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:21:58


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Sigvatr wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.


Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.


So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?


Yes. Except he wasn't thwarted by the power of love.
So that makes him a better villain, imo.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:24:37


Post by: godswildcard


So I guess we won't be seeing a Necrolith Colossus for the Tomb Kings then. Sad times!

BUT I do like what I'm seeing so far. Not to keen on Mannfred's horse, but I like everything else.

Yep. Better start painting skeletons. *sigh*


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:25:24


Post by: lord marcus


 TheKbob wrote:
"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum


Spoiler:


Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?


That has been around nigh on 20 years.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:25:42


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 godswildcard wrote:
So I guess we won't be seeing a Necrolith Colossus for the Tomb Kings then. Sad times!

BUT I do like what I'm seeing so far. Not to keen on Mannfred's horse, but I like everything else.

Yep. Better start painting skeletons. *sigh*


Painting skeletons is easy.

1) Spray paint white
2) Splash Earthshade
3) ???
4) Profit!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:26:33


Post by: TheKbob


I have, that's the joke. GW hijacking another trope for their own super awesome mega fluff and lacking the subtlety to pull it off.its like what do bad guy wizards do? Write necromancy in blood on human flesh! Radical!

I still like skull horses. Nagash would require kit bash parts, so $100 is a bit much for that. Am curious about the rules. I am further sad that this isn't Bretonnia.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:26:50


Post by: lord marcus


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 godswildcard wrote:
So I guess we won't be seeing a Necrolith Colossus for the Tomb Kings then. Sad times!

BUT I do like what I'm seeing so far. Not to keen on Mannfred's horse, but I like everything else.

Yep. Better start painting skeletons. *sigh*


Painting skeletons is easy.

1) Spray paint white
2) Splash Earthshade
3) ???
4) Profit!


Stage three would be a white or bone drybrush. and stage two takes too long, use a dip. *experience*


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:26:55


Post by: tarnish


http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/08/leaks-lots-of-undead-miniatures-coming.html

Didn´t see these in here yet, if redundant then i´m sorry.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:28:09


Post by: Kanluwen


 tarnish wrote:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/08/leaks-lots-of-undead-miniatures-coming.html

Didn´t see these in here yet, if redundant then i´m sorry.

It's not redundant, but they were posted here on Dakka first...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:30:12


Post by: Azreal13


 tarnish wrote:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/08/leaks-lots-of-undead-miniatures-coming.html

Didn´t see these in here yet, if redundant then i´m sorry.



Look harder..



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:30:23


Post by: Xyxel


What's with bone beard and bone tendrils? Chaos mutations? High hat?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:31:00


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 TheKbob wrote:
I have, that's the joke. GW hijacking another trope for their own super awesome mega fluff and lacking the subtlety to pull it off.its like what do bad guy wizards do? Write necromancy in blood on human flesh! Radical!


In a way, it does sort of make sense.
Parchment was made from dried animal skin, after all, and what better material for a tome of necromancy than human skin?
The neat thing about parchment, is that it is also more durable than paper. Harder to write on though.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:31:04


Post by: ImAGeek


Although now we know for sure the female is Neferata


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:31:53


Post by: UltraPrime


 lord marcus wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum


Spoiler:


Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?


That has been around nigh on 20 years.


Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:36:03


Post by: sockwithaticket


Spirit hosts and various ghosty things on other models I like very much and Manfred/male vamp as he seems to be the only one not wearing something ridiculous on his head. Seriously, what the hell is that on the female vamp?! It's a damn shame because she looks to have the best sculpted female face GW have put out in years and although you can see cleavage it doesn't appear gratuitous. Dare I say she looks quite realistically proportioned? Apart from the neck, that should be of an unnatural thickness in order to support the whatever it's supposed to be on her head.

Cool to see some new monsters, but are they all levitating?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:37:30


Post by: primalexile


Spoiler:
 Xyxel wrote:
What's with bone beard and bone tendrils? Chaos mutations? High hat?


I think I may actually model my Nagash without the hat and beard.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:39:31


Post by: AlexHolker


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
I have, that's the joke. GW hijacking another trope for their own super awesome mega fluff and lacking the subtlety to pull it off.its like what do bad guy wizards do? Write necromancy in blood on human flesh! Radical!

In a way, it does sort of make sense.
Parchment was made from dried animal skin, after all, and what better material for a tome of necromancy than human skin?
The neat thing about parchment, is that it is also much more durable than paper. Harder to write on though.

Yeah, I think that it makes sense. Writing your shopping list on human flesh would be stupid, but if you're a necromancer creating an item that binds your soul to the material world, using dead people as reagents makes more sense than just writing the right bad words.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:39:53


Post by: His Master's Voice


sockwithaticket wrote:
Apart from the neck, that should be of an unnatural thickness in order to support the whatever it's supposed to be on her head.

Cool to see some new monsters, but are they all levitating?


She's a vampire, she could punch you through a wall, I don't think neck muscle strength is an issue for her.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:40:52


Post by: lord marcus


UltraPrime wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum


Spoiler:


Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?


That has been around nigh on 20 years.


Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.


not worrying. Like i said, Nagash is the only character in WHFB that I Fanboy over.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:42:03


Post by: godswildcard


So are we correct in guessing that Nagash 'n friends are going to have access to Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts AND his own special undead units?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:42:35


Post by: ImAGeek


 godswildcard wrote:
So are we correct in guessing that Nagash 'n friends are going to have access to Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts AND his own special undead units?


I really hope so.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:45:10


Post by: TheKbob


Name calling is cute!

I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:46:38


Post by: godswildcard


ImAGeek wrote:
 godswildcard wrote:
So are we correct in guessing that Nagash 'n friends are going to have access to Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts AND his own special undead units?


I really hope so.


Geez. Well good thing I've already got a NiB necrosphinx lying around...


At any rate, I'm a bit disappointed that I feel like I've got ZERO justification for the LE army book. I didn't pick up the Space Wolves Long Fang Edition, but I gave it serious thought and you know why? Objective markers. Seriously. I'm new to Space Wolves, so that's what ultimately made the decision for me. For the same price with the Nagash special edition, what am I getting? Maybe it will look super duper awesome...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:51:00


Post by: Grimtuff


 TheKbob wrote:
Name calling is cute!

I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.


It is when it's a GW model. That's the rules, right?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:54:53


Post by: sockwithaticket


 His Master's Voice wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
Apart from the neck, that should be of an unnatural thickness in order to support the whatever it's supposed to be on her head.

Cool to see some new monsters, but are they all levitating?


She's a vampire, she could punch you through a wall, I don't think neck muscle strength is an issue for her.


Hyperbole, chap. I know Warhammer vamps are crazy strong, I was simply trying to emphasise how bewildering I found the design choice.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:55:09


Post by: lord marcus


 TheKbob wrote:
Name calling is cute!

I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.


you were not complaining. you asked what they were, i complied with an answer and reference to an appropriate source. i apologize if My reply was perceived as aggressive.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 22:59:37


Post by: TheKbob


 lord marcus wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
Name calling is cute!

I get the concept, but seeing nine books "float" around the model seems a bit much. Its just extra bits unless the ghostly whisps are slotted for them. I'm sorry if breaking down a model's composition is perceived as complaining.


you were not complaining. you asked what they were, i complied with an answer and reference to an appropriate source. i apologize if My reply was perceived as aggressive.


No, you're fine. I meant the other individual intentionally misspelling my name as an act of ad hominem.

I did read on Nagash, makes sense per the story I knew from the Skaven book. Its cool if they're artifacts, but it just looks odd hovering around him. Its not quite the "how's a wolf sled practical for the battlefield" level of silly, it just sticks out.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:09:56


Post by: Gallahad


 zachwho wrote:
Jesus!!! i don't play fantasy, never have, but i will be buying me a VC army!! those are amazing models! idk what id play them as in 40k though....


Necrons. Just paint the bone parts like metal.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:10:36


Post by: Howard A Treesong


I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:16:50


Post by: justtoseenagashpics


 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.


I read on Warseer that in the campaign you will be able to take 50% lords. So that would solve the problem, although I really hope the 'new army book' (if that's what it is) will include this built-in so you can do it outside the campaign as well.
P.S. Sorry about my username.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:22:09


Post by: lord marcus


 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.


Mantic. and wargames factory if you like nekkid bones.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:28:21


Post by: justtoseenagashpics


Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:32:32


Post by: Grimtuff


justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.


Arkhan's could be the Manticore he traditionally has a chariot made from.

Mannfredd's is, I dunno a robo bat...?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:32:49


Post by: lord marcus


justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.


No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:34:52


Post by: Grimtuff


 lord marcus wrote:
justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.


No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.


Arkhan traditionally rides a chariot made from a Manticore.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/18 23:40:44


Post by: lord marcus


 Grimtuff wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.


No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.


Arkhan traditionally rides a chariot made from a Manticore.


Well, i knew there was a Manticore in there somewhere. Just had dinner, so my mind is kind of clouded. lol.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 00:20:13


Post by: willb2064


Arkhan the Black was one of my favorite characters in the old Undead book, can't wait to see the update for him.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 00:49:27


Post by: Fafnir


It all looks very 'Saturday Morning Cartoon,' really.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 01:01:55


Post by: Ehsteve


I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 01:16:07


Post by: BaconSlayer


 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.


The ghosty/spirit stuff should be fairly easy to paint. I think Stockholm Warpaint had some Ethereal fig primed white and washed with Nihilakh Oxide when they reviewed the new technical paints. For as easy as it sounded, it actually looked pretty good.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 01:19:38


Post by: Lord_Mortis


 Sigvatr wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.


Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.


So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?


Actually, Voldemort would be Nagash, since Nagash came out a few years before Voldemort. Both, however, are based off the one true Dark Lord, Sauron!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 01:32:36


Post by: Kanluwen


 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 01:39:23


Post by: TheKbob


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.


Follow the guide of "buypainted" over on YouTube for his Coven Throne. I did it for my own coven throne and it turned out great. Making the ghosts can take one, maybe two afternoons, at most.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 02:51:05


Post by: Ehsteve


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.

Which is fine if you have the space and patience to set up, mix, then run down and clean a full airbrush set on a regular basis. I prefer brush pastel blending, which can be difficult on models like this where you don't have anything to break up the surface into a more manageable area.

I still think it looks cool, but another thing is how much larger/more spindly they will be than the previous model set. At the very least they will make cool unit fillers for the newer VC units (skeletons, grave guard etc).


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 02:57:10


Post by: Leth


Holy crap those are some SEXY models


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 02:58:08


Post by: Vash108


So do we know what Army he can join or is he is own new army/dataslate


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 03:04:07


Post by: lord marcus


 Lord_Mortis wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.


Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.


So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?


Actually, Voldemort would be Nagash, since Nagash came out a few years before Voldemort. Both, however, are based off the one true Dark Lord, Sauron!


who was himself a pansy compared to Morgoth.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 03:14:51


Post by: CaptainLoken


WOW...do I really hate the new models....they look like a cross between World of Warcraft and Warmachine....both of which I cannot stand....add in there some Final Fantasy 8....and the image is complete....ugh....

Oh well...looks like I will be making a LOT of scratchbuilt models...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 03:23:50


Post by: Jehan-reznor


 lord marcus wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum


Spoiler:


Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?


That has been around nigh on 20 years.


Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.


not worrying. Like i said, Nagash is the only character in WHFB that I Fanboy over.


The Necronomicon has been bound in human flesh a little longer

I like some of those miniatures, but why are they all hovering above the ground? is it an ability or a design choice?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 03:45:32


Post by: mattyrm


 Fafnir wrote:
It all looks very 'Saturday Morning Cartoon,' really.


I have no idea how that thing will survive a trip to the FLGS personally, but if by cartoony you think it is "ugly" I think you need your eyes tested, it is one of the most fantastic looking minis I have ever seen.

It doesn't even look like a mini, it looks like a painting or a 3D render or something.

I mean, I wont be buying one, and I suppose it does look a little WOW-eque, plus I don't play fantasy and have no use for it, but the same as those fething tree things they released a month or two ago, I think they are really pushing the bar when it comes to miniature design, dont you find the whole.. floaty ghost like thing really an impressive standard in miniature design?

They certainly don't look like tiny pieces of plastic to me, and I think thats the most impressive thing.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 04:01:14


Post by: -Loki-


So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 04:23:25


Post by: Bdrone


Ive now gone from cautious to cautiously optimistic to restless and wondering.

I want a copy of those cards and this Book slip they are talking about, even against my better judgement. what will this mean in the long term for Fantasy? nothing, or a "new" undead faction for the long term? exactly what kind of costs are these new spells, and what can they really do? someone send in Clan Eshin and figure this out... Necromantic grey seers are a go..?

(edit)-ooh, lucky number 13!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 04:24:53


Post by: -Loki-


So I did a but of looking around at the details. The dual book format, with one fluff book that alters the Fantasy background and a combined Undead Legion army book, sounds utterly fantastic and something that would drag me back into Fantasy. I've got nearly 3000pts of Vampire Counts begging to see the table. Nagash as a model is astoundingly nice, absolutely love it. His rules sound as hilariously over the top as they should be.

Then I saw the prices. Looks like the books will hit the $115 price point here, probably more. Nagash will be nearly $150 looking at price bands and exchange rates.

What the actual feth? I know I've been out of the GW hhhobby for a while now, but are these the prices they're charging now for books and large kits?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 04:37:34


Post by: Drakmord


That rider's staff is so cool. I want to use it for a Staff of Light!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 04:41:34


Post by: nels1031


I love everything in this release. I just recently bought like 200 dollars worth of Dark Elves and now I regret not choosing VC.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 04:50:45


Post by: Bdrone


so it actually is a Undead Legion army book? ooooooo how many pages i wonder it is... i hope it is a proper army book.

yeaaah. i wasn't entirely wild about the new nagash model Loki (heck, im already thinking of things id do it to replace it with a ghostly sorceress or something (this would be the time for a Yuyuko themed undead army, if i wanted one).. but the price is... honestly rich for my blood, considering its base size. its an interesting model, and the whole "held aloft by souls" thing is cool, but just like the Neferata, Mannfred (is it?) and Arkhan models, im worried about transporting the things safely if i ever did get them, price aside.

and YUP. thats about right. heck, im surprised they are ONLY charging 85 USD for the non-LE momentous occasion of Nagash (UGH). at least you can feebly write off the cost as both some kind of campaign book, / fluff and proper army book (if it even is...). and the prices sort of line up with recent hardbacks. the model of Nagash though? I really can't justify that for myself, even moreso than the rest.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 05:41:27


Post by: eflix29


They look like Yu Gi Oh characters to me...exept for the decent spirit swarm.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 06:14:01


Post by: insaniak


Wow... There are some seriously freaking cool models in this release.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 06:14:43


Post by: ImAGeek


Apparantly the 2 books are a 296 page fluff book, and a 96 page rule book.

And according to the WD; Kislev is gone (?!), Archaon is stalled by Vlad (Mannfred?) and Nagash has united the VC and TK (the fall of Settra).

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/nagash-returns-old-world-shatters-wow.html


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 06:28:15


Post by: Lou_Cypher


eflix29 wrote:
They look like Yu Gi Oh characters to me...exept for the decent spirit swarm.


Nagash is a mix of Heishin and Nitemare, who by themselves are pretty much ancient Egyptian archetypes so it's all good.

So Kislev gone, Archaon vs. Mannfred (Funny since a tooled up Chaos Lord are one of the few things that can stand up to a tooled out Vampire Lord), Settra eliminated (So Nagash is basically a more successful Imotekh)...

I wonder what the elves are doing? Aliathra probably dead. Malekith and Morathi just plotting as usual.

Be'lakor did allow Mannfred to take one of the books of Nagash... I'd assume he's letting it happen so Archaon gets in trouble with the vampires.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 06:41:38


Post by: Backfire


Wow. So spines are the new skulls. Congratulations to GW from this visual evolution...I guess?

Nagash looks in fact pretty good outside of few blips...
-the headgear is too big, making his head look tiny.
-book in hand, he kinda looks like he is lecturing
-the sword is way too big for his tiny hand

However, I expect him to look better live. Camera tends to exaggarate the proportions.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:20:28


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Kislev is gone? That's a pity.
I guess GW needed to fill their Squat quota.

I mean, I can understand why they didn't; Kislev wasn't mentioned for a while.
Still would have been nice to see an army list of some sort, like what they used to have.

Does this all mean that GW moved forward the time line?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:21:05


Post by: Puscifer


So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:21:30


Post by: Backfire


Wasn't the Kislev thing mentioned in Storm of Chaos already?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:23:51


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


I'm trying to think how I can reduce the head gear and still have it look proper.

I think getting rid of the bone loincloth, bone beard and giant bone hat, I'd like it a lot more.

One big problem I have now, I usually play my games at a GW store... I'm going to need a lot of skeletons... GW skeletons are overpriced and ugly, Wargames Factory skeletons look much nicer and are a fraction of the price... but then I won't be able to play at GW, which is basically the only place I play these days.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:24:02


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Backfire wrote:
Wasn't the Kislev thing mentioned in Storm of Chaos already?


That was about 12 years ago though.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:24:48


Post by: -Loki-


Puscifer wrote:
So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?


Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:28:50


Post by: Puscifer


 -Loki- wrote:
Puscifer wrote:
So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?


Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.


Like it was before... When Wight Cavalry had 3 Wounds. Those were the days.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:39:54


Post by: Mr Morden


 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.


I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:45:24


Post by: Fireball


We always laugh about the skulls, but now GW is overdoing it with the floating stuff ... it started with Blood Angel characters and now everything floats thanks to some long tendrils hanging from the body of a model. In small portions this would be nice, but once again GW goes too far with something ...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:48:35


Post by: ImAGeek


 Mr Morden wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.


I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....


Neferata is the female Vampire with the big hat on the skeleton dragon manticore thing.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:49:54


Post by: Moopy


These are amazing..... oh god.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:50:18


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 pretre wrote:
Wow! Those are cool.


Seconded. The Spirit Hosts are great and I like the big horse thing, especially the one that looks like it's a cage for a molten interior.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 07:59:20


Post by: Mr Morden


ImAGeek wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.


I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....


Neferata is the female Vampire with the big hat on the skeleton dragon manticore thing.


Really - well that's annoying - have to see if the fluff makes any sense.................


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:08:56


Post by: ImAGeek


Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:13:50


Post by: angelofvengeance


ImAGeek wrote:
Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.


Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:14:08


Post by: Grimtuff


 Mr Morden wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.


I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....


Ummm....

There's pretty conclusive proof that that fig is Neferata.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:14:55


Post by: angelofvengeance


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 pretre wrote:
Wow! Those are cool.


Seconded. The Spirit Hosts are great and I like the big horse thing, especially the one that looks like it's a cage for a molten interior.


Mannfred's model kind of reminds me of Venger from D&D but on some serious magical steroids.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:33:35


Post by: -DE-


Mortarch? Is she head of a Masonic lodge?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:40:36


Post by: Herzlos


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.


Cool, plastic, I was dreading it being Finecast. I might have to pick them up for objective markers.

Some of the others look pretty amazing but fair too fragile to be anything but display pieces.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:40:37


Post by: ImAGeek


All three of those models are called Mortarch of something.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:50:55


Post by: Schmapdi


Hmm - there's some good and bad here.

I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.

The bad -
Everything is floating.
The new molten-skull filled kitties being ridden by the above look very Necron to me, and thus out of place in WFB.
Nagash is silly-big
Hats are even sillier big. Will giant hats be GW's response to PP's giant shoulder pads? (* - her giant hat is the one fault I have with Neferata)
If they're combining undead armies, it's going to be very hard to match new units to the existing aesthetics of either. The new units, etc fail at this IMO.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:51:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Hmm... $150 for the model plus a further $140 for the rulebook. That seems fair.

 godswildcard wrote:
So I guess we won't be seeing a Necrolith Colossus for the Tomb Kings then. Sad times!


Well if you don't get a kit that makes a Necrolith Colossus and a Hierotitan, be prepared for that unit to vanish altogether from your army.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:53:12


Post by: ImAGeek


Schmapdi wrote:
Hmm - there's some good and bad here.

I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.

The bad -
Everything is floating.
The new molten-skull filled kitties being ridden by the above look very Necron to me, and thus out of place in WFB.
Nagash is silly-big
Hats are even sillier big. Will giant hats be GW's response to PP's giant shoulder pads? (* - her giant hat is the one fault I have with Neferata)
If they're combining undead armies, it's going to be very hard to match new units to the existing aesthetics of either. The new units, etc fail at this IMO.


But Nagash has united the VC and TK, so they'd probably keep their respective aesthetics.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:53:17


Post by: angelofvengeance


Shut up and take my money!! lool


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 08:58:52


Post by: Left Hand of the Pheonix


I'm happy on one thing, Manfred in on a fricking Abyssal Terror! Finally a model for one.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 09:00:54


Post by: thenoobbomb


Wow!

Mannfred.. is that you? You're so.. so.. beautiful! *tears of happiness*

These are all great. Those flying monster-Nagash-constructs are bloody awesome, too.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 09:01:34


Post by: unmercifulconker


As someone who has almost finished his starter VC army, this blew my mind. Jesus they are so good, those big skeleton titan thingies, I must possess one.
Oh, oh and the spirit hosts.
And that mount the von carstein has makes me so jealous that my lord has a mere zombie dragon.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 09:29:34


Post by: Backfire


Schmapdi wrote:
Hmm - there's some good and bad here.

I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.

The bad -
Everything is floating.


Kinda agree there, Fantasy range in general has suffered from too many 'dynamic' poses over last few years. Special poses (flying, leaping etc) are cool in moderation, when everyone's special, they stop being special.

OTOH, floating should be pretty easy to fix? Snip snip, voilà, everyone's properly grounded again.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:06:47


Post by: monders


 -Loki- wrote:
Puscifer wrote:
So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?


Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.


So that's ANOTHER book of mine that will be obsolete?! Oy vey.

I've only been back in the hobby for a few years and I've already got nearly £200 worth of literature that's... well, worthless.

I always did prefer the Undead as opposed to the undead factions so I'll probably pick that book up, though. DAMMIT.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:10:55


Post by: ImAGeek


Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:11:47


Post by: thenoobbomb


ImAGeek wrote:
Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.

Yeah, it's a new list.


With some bloody awesome toys, though.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:12:16


Post by: tyrannosaurus


I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:15:32


Post by: thenoobbomb


 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.

But it's made by GW! We are obliged to say it sucks!

Yeah, I don't see what's wrong with it at all. I think he looks really cool - just like all the other releases.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:18:02


Post by: Goresaw


A giant flying obsidian bat robot made of lava.

Sign me up.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 10:59:06


Post by: gianlucafiorentini123


Really lovely minis, one of GW's best fantasy releases in a while.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 11:12:48


Post by: monders


 thenoobbomb wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.

Yeah, it's a new list.


With some bloody awesome toys, though.


Ahhh I see! Well I'm sure I'll have £30 kicking around somewhere....

Agreed, those toys look ridiculously good fun.

I think that was my first ever GW knee jerk reaction


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 11:25:13


Post by: ImAGeek


 monders wrote:
 thenoobbomb wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.

Yeah, it's a new list.


With some bloody awesome toys, though.


Ahhh I see! Well I'm sure I'll have £30 kicking around somewhere....

Agreed, those toys look ridiculously good fun.

I think that was my first ever GW knee jerk reaction


Well, the book is £50... Sorry man.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:05:04


Post by: Mr Morden


 angelofvengeance wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.


Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.


yeah maybe - The TK and most of the VC would seem him destroyed or at least not active so maybe Neferata's being devious again and trying/going get rid of him that way - maybe manipulate Arkhan again. Not sure the TK's would serve willing even with threats...............

I just hope its not to far from the BL fluff I really enjoy (Nagash Trilogy and Blood of Nagash plus related works)............ah well if it is I 'll just have to ignore it and live with that

they are nice tempting models ...................


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:09:09


Post by: AlexHolker


 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.

No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:30:27


Post by: tarnish


 AlexHolker wrote:
 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.

No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.


I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:42:16


Post by: Saldiven


 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.


However, it shouldn't look small in relation to the rest of the body, which would also look smaller without its flesh. The skull should be proportionate to the entire body.

In generally accepted artistic proportions, the distance from the belly button to the chin should be twice the distance from the chin to the top of the head. This model has the distance from navel to chin as being three times the length of chin to crown of head, even allowing for there being a whole heck of a lot of head underneath the headdress. Shoulder to elbow should be 1.5 heads in length; this model's upper arm appears to be two heads in length.

This theme is consistent throughout every body part. Compared to the norms of artistic representations of the human form, this model's head is just too small. This might have been a specific artistic choice, but it makes the model look pin-headed.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 tarnish wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.

No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.


I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.


But it does have to do with what is generally perceived as aesthetically appealing.

One would think that said warpstone exposure that caused his growth would also have extended to his head.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:44:04


Post by: Sidstyler


 tarnish wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.

No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.


I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.


It warped everything but his head?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:50:14


Post by: streamdragon


Those Morghast models are amazing!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 12:58:06


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


 Mr Morden wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.


Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.


yeah maybe - The TK and most of the VC would seem him destroyed or at least not active so maybe Neferata's being devious again and trying/going get rid of him that way - maybe manipulate Arkhan again. Not sure the TK's would serve willing even with threats...............

I just hope its not to far from the BL fluff I really enjoy (Nagash Trilogy and Blood of Nagash plus related works)............ah well if it is I 'll just have to ignore it and live with that

they are nice tempting models ...................


It was mentioned earlier that she's joined Nagash to rule Lahmia again and not out of loyalty.
So typical Neferata stuff


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:01:43


Post by: MalusCalibur


These new models are...horrific, and not in the way intended. I genuinely do not understand the positive reception they seem to be getting, because all of them are textbook examples of GW's tendency towards ludicrously over-the-top models - both in terms of size and design. The overwhelming theme, repeated ad nauseum across all of them, is 'bones everywhere', as if it won't be clear they are undead unless the models are plastered with them. Nagash, in particular, is practically nothing but bone-fashioned gear, with a hat that is taller than his entire torso. I'm also not a fan of the fact that they all apparently need to be floating to add even more height, yet leaving them very fragile and again, cluttering the aesthetic with unnecessary details.
The new mounts for Nagash's generals, though, take the cake - they are literally filled with skulls. Is the overabundance of skulls in GW's designs not something that has been criticised over and over again? (Rightly so). So why is acceptable now?

I can't help but feel that people might be getting a little swept up in the fact that it's Nagash, and as a result not turning such a critical eye to the actual design. A big model plastered with lots of detail does not automatically mean its a good one, and the fact that it is Nagash does not give it a free pass on the questionable design choices.

It would be a much better figure if the hat, beard, bone-tacles and tabard were removed, as well just mounting him on a base by his feet rather than the 'ghosts and books' piece. But if I'm honest, I'd far rather have something like this:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=131330&d=1328215733


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:03:35


Post by: jonolikespie


Man.. nothing there is convincing me to dust off my VCs and get back into WHFB at all.

Manfred and the winged skeleton things I would like to see in person, there is potential there. If I could walk into my local GW and pick up and examine a store model or something I might be tempted to buy one, but they don't do that anymore so I guess I wont be.

Maybe I've just become a huge model snob but I really just can't see what people are excited about here. Now the Creature Caster zombie dragon, that is a larger scale undead unit I NEED to get my hands on and have half a dozen ideas for without even stopping to ask myself if I can afford it.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:19:54


Post by: Marshal Loss


Was hoping to see the new Vermin Lord that was rumoured!

Overall, I like most of them. I think Neferata is a huge disappointment face/headress wise, but other than that all look really good. I'll definitely be picking up some/all at some point


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:43:17


Post by: His Master's Voice


 MalusCalibur wrote:
So why is acceptable now?


Because for once they make sense.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:46:45


Post by: spaceelf


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... $150 for the model plus a further $140 for the rulebook. That seems fair.

 godswildcard wrote:
So I guess we won't be seeing a Necrolith Colossus for the Tomb Kings then. Sad times!


Well if you don't get a kit that makes a Necrolith Colossus and a Hierotitan, be prepared for that unit to vanish altogether from your army.


I suppose it is better than losing the entire Kislev army. Given that GWs fluff is derived from history, do we blame this on Putin?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:48:14


Post by: tarnish


 Sidstyler wrote:
 tarnish wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.

No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.


I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.


It warped everything but his head?


So it would seem. It does look wierd though...


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:48:21


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Goresaw wrote:
A giant flying obsidian bat robot made of lava.

Sign me up.


Except it's not lava. If you look closely, you'll see it's filled with skulls that are painted to look hellish and burning.
Which is still pretty metal.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:51:17


Post by: monders


ImAGeek wrote:
Spoiler:
 monders wrote:
 thenoobbomb wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.

Yeah, it's a new list.


With some bloody awesome toys, though.


Ahhh I see! Well I'm sure I'll have £30 kicking around somewhere....

Spoiler:
Agreed, those toys look ridiculously good fun.

I think that was my first ever GW knee jerk reaction


Well, the book is £50... Sorry man.




Ah well... We'll see what Father Christmas brings me, assuming Infinity hasn't fully consumed me.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 13:55:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Ah.

I get it now.

Knight release: Codex and a background book. Two separate releases. Most people by the Codex, but not the background book.

Nagash release: Codex and a background book. Bundle the two for a higher price, give people no choice in how they get it, so they have to buy it.

It's all about dat short term!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:23:11


Post by: Avrik_Shasla


I personally think all those models are gorgeous. You don't have to agree with the paint job, but the models themselves are breathtaking.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:32:53


Post by: ImAGeek


 monders wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Spoiler:
 monders wrote:
 thenoobbomb wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.

Yeah, it's a new list.


With some bloody awesome toys, though.


Ahhh I see! Well I'm sure I'll have £30 kicking around somewhere....

Spoiler:
Agreed, those toys look ridiculously good fun.

I think that was my first ever GW knee jerk reaction


Well, the book is £50... Sorry man.




Ah well... We'll see what Father Christmas brings me, assuming Infinity hasn't fully consumed me.


I'm with you. I really like these models and want to get the book (partly just so I haven't wasted a bunch of money I spent on WHF not too lomg ago) but Infinity and the Horus Heresy have been where my focus is of late.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:33:54


Post by: MalusCalibur


 His Master's Voice wrote:
Because for once they make sense.


I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:41:37


Post by: gorgon


 MalusCalibur wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Because for once they make sense.


I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.


New around here, huh?

 spaceelf wrote:
I suppose it is better than losing the entire Kislev army. Given that GWs fluff is derived from history, do we blame this on Putin?


But did that comment mean "Kislev is no more, forever more" or that "Kislev has been left devastated in the wake"? Because taking a beating is kinda what Kislev does. Then they get back up again.


This release makes me very nostalgic for the original Undead army book. Brings a tear to me eye. In a good way.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:44:53


Post by: Acardia


I gotta see base sizes to see if Arkhan can fit on a chariot base, otherwise I love my foot conversion. And will hold off for rules.

I'm buying nagash, and likely the supplement.

With every caster having access to Undeath, will this make horror spam obscene?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:50:06


Post by: Avrik_Shasla


 Acardia wrote:
I gotta see base sizes to see if Arkhan can fit on a chariot base, otherwise I love my foot conversion. And will hold off for rules.

I'm buying nagash, and likely the supplement.

With every caster having access to Undeath, will this make horror spam obscene?


I am very interested in this too. I would love to run some sort of Undeath in my Empire army and just spring up the dead, haha!


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:55:23


Post by: Azreal13


 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.


You get that it doesn't matter if it is 'factually correct' if it just looks wrong right?

I don't care that what you say, in reality, would make some sense, I DO care that I find the apparently disproportionately small head on the model to be distracting. When creating something like this, it is more important that it looks right than if it is actually right, for most anyway, and it seems many find his head too small.

YMMV


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:56:04


Post by: H.B.M.C.


So what was Nagash before he died?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:58:30


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 14:59:13


Post by: sockwithaticket


 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
I personally think all those models are gorgeous. You don't have to agree with the paint job, but the models themselves are breathtaking.


Umm, I think you can disagree with both the models and the paintjob.

The more I look at the big gribblies, the more they remind me of old power rangers monsters (dragonzord for the thing the vamps are riding anyone?) with more skulls.

Definitely not a fan of all the spindlly, physics defying, daft-looking connection points (come one, the bulk of the tail is on the base while the whole thing floats).

At the same time the spirit host and ethereal bits look ever more impressive.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:10:08


Post by: angelofvengeance


sockwithaticket wrote:
 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
I personally think all those models are gorgeous. You don't have to agree with the paint job, but the models themselves are breathtaking.


Umm, I think you can disagree with both the models and the paintjob.

The more I look at the big gribblies, the more they remind me of old power rangers monsters (dragonzord for the thing the vamps are riding anyone?) with more skulls.

Definitely not a fan of all the spindlly, physics defying, daft-looking connection points (come one, the bulk of the tail is on the base while the whole thing floats).

At the same time the spirit host and ethereal bits look ever more impressive.


Seems to work for other GW flying models with that kinda stand- ie the Flyrant for Tyranids.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:13:07


Post by: sockwithaticket


The flyrant at least has wings, the big mounts do not.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:13:25


Post by: judgedoug


So GW went the exact opposite of the old Nagash model.

"Everyone makes fun of his giant head! Make it as small as possible."


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:18:45


Post by: Brother SRM


The array of silly hats is incredible in this release. Also those Morghast dudes look like Castlevania minibosses in the absolute best way. I like everything I'm seeing here.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:22:21


Post by: Nevelon


How big your hat is is the traditional WFB way of denoting how important you are.

These guys are obviously the top of the pecking order.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:28:08


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Brother SRM wrote:
The array of silly hats is incredible in this release. Also those Morghast dudes look like Castlevania minibosses in the absolute best way. I like everything I'm seeing here.


It's funny, I got a dark souls vibe from them.
Either way, still awesome.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:31:18


Post by: mangrove yeti


What size base do you guys think the harbingers are on? 40mm? 50mm?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:31:34


Post by: TheKbob


I'm very surprised GW hasn't released kits with magnet slots in their heads, a FineLock™ magnet pack, and then following the success of Team Fortress 2,... Bam, plastic had add on kits! You could put a skull on your skull!

I would definitely repose any of these models to be supported by their feet/legs if I wanted to game with them. The coven throne is precarious as a display piece and I used a block of wood for the base. I'd recommend the same for Nagash as his CG will probably be very high given his arms and hat. I'd bet that his pose isn't so dynamic due to the ghost swarm he floats on and tipping concerns.

Loving the discourse of people saying you can't critique the models... The new mounts are awesome but they are still made of skulls!. Entirely stupid. buy in a Dethklok way. Maybe make a bigger barge with murder fang on the back being pulled by two of them?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:33:35


Post by: Las


The fantasy range has gotten very 'world of Warcraft' lately. Needs way more grimdark.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:33:51


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 TheKbob wrote:
I'm very surprised GW hasn't released kits with magnet slots in their heads, a FineLock™ magnet pack, and then following the success of Team Fortress 2,... Bam, plastic had add on kits! You could put a skull on your skull!

I would definitely repose any of these models to be supported by their feet/legs if I wanted to game with them. The coven throne is precarious as a display piece and I used a block of wood for the base. I'd recommend the same for Nagash as his CG will probably be very high given his arms and hat. I'd bet that his pose isn't so dynamic due to the ghost swarm he floats on and tipping concerns.

Loving the discourse of people saying you can't critique the models... The new mounts are awesome but they are still made of skulls!. Entirely stupid. buy in a Dethklok way. Maybe make a bigger barge with murder fang on the back being pulled by two of them?


GW takes your idea into consideration



Seriously though, I would totally buy / do that.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:34:25


Post by: godswildcard


So do we have any more word on if there is going to be a campaign coming shortly after?


A few new models for some important armies (looking at you Necrolith Collosus!) and a few cool scenarios that center around re-creating the battles.

Like, off the top of my head: Nagash vs. Vampire Counts, Nagash + Vampire Counts vs. Tomb Kings, Mannfred vs. Empire (counts as kislev, because they refuse bring back those pretty amazing Ice Queen and Lancer Cavalry models!). Nagash, VC, TK vs. Everyone else.

We've got lots of potential here. Easy to keep it rolling.

But somehow my money is on them giving Fantasy a two week release window to shut up fantasy players for the rest of the year...



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:51:55


Post by: Bdrone


I'm just really hoping this Undead Legions book is not so much a suppliment as it is more a standalone army book somehow. it's got the size of a normal fantasy hardback so... im honestly crossing my fingers here in the hopes it can be fielded like a normal book, with necromancers being your non named choices along with I guess other undead casters and stuff to back it up... like, i wonder what rolls the Morghasts take.

I REALLY want to read that new lore, but also the magic incoming.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:54:11


Post by: Mr Morden


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.


not quite - he did not create Vampires - except indirectly.

He was a disaffected worshiper of the Old Gods and with the help of a trio of captured Dark Elves found a whole new magic that gave him and his followers immortality - he warred against the rest of one of the great Empires of mankind - Nehekhara. In the end he was defeated but rose again and devastated all of the lands in revenge. He now seeks to kill all living things and make a perfect world of the dead.

The first vampire is Neferata who with her own high priest and certain members of her court developed her own version of the "Elixir of LIfe".

Nagash is one of the few enemies that pretty much everyone else in the Warhammer world would unite to fight - but he is immensely powerful and pretty much unkillable - even total destruction of his body is not enough.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:54:31


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.


Sorry, I should have been more specific:

What was he? He clearly wasn't human, so what sort of creature was he?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:55:01


Post by: jullevi


*NAGASM*

I can't even describe how great it is to see the Ultimate Bad Guy making a return after so many years of absence. This may be just what the WHFB needed to become interesting again. While the rules of special characters are usually too stupid for regular games, their presence in background is what defines World of Warhammer for me.

The new models are bit silly but great nevertheless. I'm getting Nagash, Spirit Host and Arkhan the Black for sure (and I don't play any undead armies...yet). Not sure on Morghasts, I don't really understand the concept. I need to purchase another pot of Army Painter Quickshade for all those skulls and bones.

I can't wait to see someone convert Nagash into Hierotitan (go over the spirits with putty and sand) or Arkhan the Black into Khemri dude or Necron Boss.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:55:28


Post by: primalexile


I am very curious to see how the Chaos gods respond to a threat bigger than them. I am expecting to fully see a reworked Archaon and the return of Valten or a similar Sigmaresc character.



WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:55:59


Post by: Fenrir Kitsune


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.


Sorry, I should have been more specific:

What was he? He clearly wasn't human, so what sort of creature was he?


He was human apparently. Unless they changed the background, he mutated after having a load of warpstone in cripple peak. Went in a man, came out a badass.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:56:19


Post by: Kanluwen


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
A necromancer. Like, the great granddaddy of all necromancers.
He was guy who created the Vampires and the Tomb Kings.


Sorry, I should have been more specific:

What was he? He clearly wasn't human, so what sort of creature was he?

Nehekaran. I do not think we really have had any artwork of them when they were still alive but I think they were pretty close to humanity.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 15:59:39


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I thought the Nehekarans were humans.
I always thought of them as being not-Egyptians.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 16:01:48


Post by: ImAGeek


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I thought the Nehekarans were humans.
I always thought of them as being not-Egyptians.


Yeah they were.


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 16:06:14


Post by: weeble1000


 gorgon wrote:
 MalusCalibur wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Because for once they make sense.


I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.


New around here, huh?


What does that have to do with what MalusCalibur said?


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 16:07:46


Post by: StarFyre


human nagash: http://warhammerguy.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/pr-nagash1_03.jpg

undeadified nagash?

http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Fileoster-nagash-unbroken.jpg

still before his height of power...

Sanjay


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 16:08:10


Post by: japehlio


pretty close, but described in the books as being taller, bulkier and sort of "healthier" than the rest of humanity. Least the wealthy were


WFB: New Nagash model (and more). @ 2014/08/19 16:13:52


Post by: gorgon


weeble1000 wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 MalusCalibur wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Because for once they make sense.


I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.


New around here, huh?


What does that have to do with what MalusCalibur said?


The revelation that GW likes lots of skulls.