Still waiting to see where my best value is since I want Enforcers and terrain, but am also one of those terrible impulse buyers that Z refers to.
Hey, I never said it's terrible!
Quite the opposite. It strikes me as far more human and relatable than the assumed "coldly-calculating", "robot-like" consumer people keep bringing up when they're saying that GW (or whoever else) is doing it "wrong".
Companies like GW, Kickstarter or Mantic Games don't have the power to change human psychology. They can only try to thrive as a business knowing how it works (or fail as a business by catering mainly to some imaginary, economically prudent 20-year-long-time-customer, of which I would argue not enough exist - and those that do don't spend enough - to drive a business like theirs).
Forgive my imprecision on the language; I meant that I am a terrible impulse buyer in that I drop tons of money into things and don't use them, not that impulse buyers are terrible.
For example, I recently finished my second Tau unit for a 2k point army.....that I bought when they were released back in 3rd edition. I think I could never buy another model and still not finish what I have.
And yet here I am planning on buying hundreds more...
Exactly, they see all the exclusives they can't get and then either go "screw it" and play something else, OR they spend $1000 on ebay to buy a complete set of the KS exclusives.
And that above figure is not an exaggeration, early on in the DZ KS comments, someone stated that they managed to sell their complete season 1 set of exclusives for that price.
As it stands, 5 of the mercs in Deadzone will be available to buy at retail, and 5 will not. If they make the last 5 too hard to get via mantic points, *and* the last 5 have really good, fun, rules then that's a real problem, since KS backers will have an in-game advantage over retail buyers.
There's a bit of a difference between the $4/500 exclusives, since those are freebies at the really high level pledges via the KS system only and ones that everyone in the KS can buy (and assuming that people can get them via the PM later on as well). I don't mind a couple being like that, but it can get a bit ridiculous (Zombiecide/Sedition Wars) and as we've discussed, Mantic might make a few (thousand) more bucks this way, but it works out badly for them in the longer-term since it either ends up as backers upset because their exclusive sculpts end up "cathorsed", or they "waste" good sculpts that they direly need. One positive thing about the way that Zombicide managed it is they released the rules for their KS exclusives, so players can always proxy models for them.
^ That's the other weird thing about having KS exclusives which aren't alt sculpts, but have their own rules - Your business model at retail has to actively encourage your customers to buy proxy models from other companies because you're not allowed to sell your own.
The only tangible thing this thing has done is got me looking at other mini lines to see what I can use to proxy for Rebs to get the alt sculpts I want, because I'm not allowed to buy the alt sculpt from Mantic.
scarletsquig wrote: ^ That's the other weird thing about having KS exclusives which aren't alt sculpts, but have their own rules - Your business model at retail has to actively encourage your customers to buy proxy models from other companies because you're not allowed to sell your own.
The only tangible thing this thing has done is got me looking at other mini lines to see what I can use to proxy for Rebs to get the alt sculpts I want, because I'm not allowed to buy the alt sculpt from Mantic.
That's at retail, which is months away. KS is a cash grab, and a cash grab that Mantic is going to milk for all of their lines- and most likely, all of their editions or new armies.
The other effect of some super secret specialty models that the people who got in at the ground floor are using, and a retail customer cannot get, is to encourage both the possessor of that model and the one who wants to buy it to support the next KS. It may lose them a few dollars here and there, but if each exclusive model out there generates a pledge or more for their next KS, it will continue to snowball the same way that this KS has surpassed the Dreadball one.
It is a valid business strategy, and one that works better for a company with a very diverse base, like Mantic, than it would for a kickstarter making a one-off line (like Ouze's FABs). It just isn't one particularly geared towards the retail customer. Mantic has always targeted the pre-order market more heavily than the retail group.
Buzzsaw wrote: I would seriously consider buying an alt version of the Reb commander, but given the KoW fulfillment, working off of concept art alone is not something Mantic does that inspires enormous amounts of confidence...
I already own two.
From the Urban War range, lovely sculpts, perfect for this.
Bit pricey for troops but perfect for characters.
I love that model on the left . Had always intended to pick it up, but as you say, a bit pricey and for me they were a little hard to find, too.
Well, I guess I was wrong about seeing that boost earlier. We got a decent one overnight it look like. I am fine with this, and Blaine is already almost unlocked.
As it stands, 5 of the mercs in Deadzone will be available to buy at retail, and 5 will not. If they make the last 5 too hard to get via mantic points, *and* the last 5 have really good, fun, rules then that's a real problem, since KS backers will have an in-game advantage over retail buyers.
It's not a problem, except for the OCD.
Having extra characters to choose from is great option, and reward, for the kickstarter backers. It does not ruin the game for people without those 5 extra choices. The vast majority of players of Deadzone will never own EVERY Deadzone figure, even without considering Limited Edition figures. The game will still be playable and enjoyable without them.
Zombicide is the perfect example of this. The game plays perfectly with or without Exclusive figures. The difference between Deadzone and Zombicide, and why it's a bigger non issue in Deadzone, is Season 1 Zombicde players only had 6 choices without the LE's. Getting the LE's in Zombicide greatly increased player options. Deadzone already starts with many more option than two players can field at any time. 4 Factions with more models than can be fielded simultaneously. When you already have more options than can use at once, 5 more optional choices isn't that big of a deal.
Also, if the rules for the limited figures prove to be great, and you can't get access to the limited edition model, just proxy/convert a model.
adamsouza wrote: Also, if the rules for the limited figures prove to be great, and you can't get access to the limited edition model, just proxy/convert a model.
This!
I recently sold my 2nd Wave of Zombicide Survivor/Zombvivors (for what I consider an obscene amount) on the eBay as while I liked the Zombie Nick and the Cardboard Tube Samurai I would rather turn that little box into into just under $200 to cover my costs of the Zombicide game and and put another $50 into Deadzone.
Conveniently these $50.00 bundles have come out just in time to grab some speccy new figures.
If I really get the urge to play as those characters I can proxie them or put a token on or under the regular survivor mini.
adamsouza wrote: Also, if the rules for the limited figures prove to be great, and you can't get access to the limited edition model, just proxy/convert a model.
This!
I recently sold my 2nd Wave of Zombicide Survivor/Zombvivors (for what I consider an obscene amount) on the eBay as while I liked the Zombie Nick and the Cardboard Tube Samurai I would rather turn that little box into into just under $200 to cover my costs of the Zombicide game and and put another $50 into Deadzone.
Bought 2 of everything in Zombicide Season 1. Sold one set and payed for BOTH.
Considering that Zombicide recently finished their second kickstarter at $2,255,018, Deadzone may benefit from that approach.
I'll wave my hipster flag here and say I don't personally back kickstarters with the idea that I can/will turn around and sell the contents... I back projects that I want to help make happen.
Yes, those 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive... but the "pile o' miniatures you can resell" doesn't appeal to me for a campaign. And honestly I think is quite a bit of a risk applying Zombicide results to Mantic, as I'm not sure if you'd be seeing that kind of resale value for KoW pledges.
Again, not that that's necessarily a problem, as if I was pledging for this it wouldn't be to resell... but it also means it's not necessarily a selling point that you can resell the minis to recoup your investment (or even to make money). At least, to me
Not an huge fan of exclusives either, but I will end up getting all of the ones currently announced.
Love the concept art for the Judwan medic and the Zee scavengers. Hope the models do them justice.
If anyone from Mantic is listening: Contact James VanSchaik (sp?). He is a good sculptor who shows very consistent putty work, which you would benefit from greatly. Since I'm armchairing, get Kev White to teach all of your sculptors (even Remy) about anatomy and posing. Some are decent at them, some are good at one but not so good at the other. Remy is great at anatomy (and sculpting in general) but his posing sometimes leaves a bit to be desired. Not trying to pile on Remy here, he is an awesome sculptor, the KoW thread just made me think of this.
@adamsouza: Wish I'd thought ahead and done that. As it is, I'm probably going to sell the one set I did get and pay for Deadzone and Robotech with the money.
I'd really like to know just how big those Teratons are.
From the concept art they look fairly large and chunky.
Is that mutated one going to be comparable to a 1st gen Plague? Or more in line with the 2nd gens?
I haven't seen any Teraton figures from Dreadball in person or compared with a typical Mantic figure, so not sure just how big they're going to be.
The bigger the better obviously.
I'm not advocating that people run out and buy extra sets for resale later. The point was that Limited Edtion figures usually have an inflated resale value. This prompts people to back the kickstarter instead of waiting to buy it later online at a discount.
From my own personal history, the limited edition and freebie stuff are the ONLY reasons I backed Zombicide, Zpocalypse, Dreadball, Deadzone, and Loka.
I bought them with the intent to play, not to resell, but I made hefty profits on both Zombicide and Zpocalyspe
LE's drive sales to completionists and speculators, while benefiting the regular player base by giving them more options.
LE's are definitely something that encourage me to buy stuff in bulk from KS rather than picking it up in piecemeal from general release.
I tend to do that for ones I want though, not to sell, but I have taken bulk add-ons with the intention of selling some of them to take advantage of the discounts (like EOTD carriages for £10 each instead of £25, if I buy 4. I don't want 4, but even selling 2 for £10 each saves me a lot of money, or the Reaper KS where I'll probably sell off about half of it to recoup most of my costs).
They probably do go for enough of a premium after the fact to be worthwhile even if you don't actually want them.
Less than 10k to the Rebs booster now. We may even get to solo play before the end of the day if this keeps up. We should hit $800k tomorrow pretty easily at this pace.
Ronin_eX wrote: Less than 10k to the Rebs booster now. We may even get to solo play before the end of the day if this keeps up. We should hit $800k tomorrow pretty easily at this pace.
I know, right?
Alpharius wrote: We're already at 'second best day' for this one, with some time to go.
Looks like we could get near to the $800K stretch and be into 'fresh territory' early tomorrow.
Today has been a mega day guys, thank you so much!
We are very close to locking the Rebs Faction Booster in so we thought it was best to give you a little more info on the next goal - so here we go!
And if that wasn't enough, there's even two new Stretch Goals at the end of the update!
NEXT: $775,000 – Solo Play Rules and A.I. Cards
Solo Play Rules and A.I. Cards are something we’ve been asked for – so here’s Jake to explain more!
“Solo rules are what you need when you want to play a classic 2-player game and only have one player to hand. They are a set of rules that attempt to replicate the decisions your normal opponent would make. Except we all know that you can’t reduce the skill, cunning and silliness of real humans to a simple set of rules in a book. No, we needs cards too.
The solo rules will use a set of cards (we’re calling them an AI deck) as a quick and simple mechanism to generate tactical choices by your imaginary opponent. A card deck allows me to include a lot of sophisticated numerical shenanigans without a lot of rules in your face. Flipping a card for a decision is also a very simple and familiar kind of mechanic that won’t intrude too much into the rest of the game. What the cards have on them is the nifty part.”
You can read more in Jake’s Article here!
If we hit this goal, we will write and publish the rules for solo play and A.I. cards. We will include a FREE digital version of the rules and the cards with your compendium in every pledge!
Not only that but we will print a set of A.I. Cards and make them available to add on to your pledge for $8!
$800,000 – Marauder Faction Booster
It’s coming up, and here’s a preview!
And yep, the concept (still work in progress) is a little big - the model will be smaller!
Cool, no? Leave us your feedback in the comments!
Up next:
NEW! $810,000 – Complete the Asterian and Forge Father Faction Starters.
Glad to see stretches starting to pile up so we get some idea of what's in store for us.
I wish the solo cards were getting included, but I don't mind tossing a few more bucks in at this point. Unless they're already included if we're getting a compendium? I would assume that's just the rules getting put in there.
I'm hoping we'll see what the Marauders have in store besides the artillery before the sun sets in my neck of the woods.
Looks like the emails will be going out soon and hopefully things will really start getting crazy.
*sigh* The completionist impulse keeps driving me to increase my pledge. I hope that, after the Marauder booster, the rest of the stretch goals are freebies...
48 hours to go, the reminders will be going out now and we are already edging on $60k for the day. This will be a good 48 hours.
We're just $6k off of the Solo/AI rules already and starting to climb pretty fast. Wont be too long until we have $800k in the bag. Then some more love for my Space Dorfs!
Not to mention complete EU factions at a mere 810k, and a merc people have been clamoring for since this started. I assume it'll be 835k for dorfs/spelfs maybe another merc to 845k and then 870k for the last faction? Then hopefully crazy stuff
JoshInJapan wrote: *sigh* The completionist impulse keeps driving me to increase my pledge. I hope that, after the Marauder booster, the rest of the stretch goals are freebies...
While I'm still pledging, the latest update to Dreadball (which shows how the Astarians translated from concept to sculpt... poorly, IMO) has convinced me that there is a great deal of wisdom in waiting to see what things look like before going whole-hog.
I agree, they look fine to me. I haven't seen the concept art, but the models at least look presentable and not horribly misshapen or wildly out of proportion.
Just about doubled my previous pledge. Officially all-in, however I fear last minute stretch goals are going to pry even more money out of me. I should just call them with my credit card number =\
In either case, aren't the Deadzone Asterians going to be largely digital again? But yeah, those look largely fine to me.
They are bald blokes (and bloke-ettes) with pointy ears and TRON-esque armour. The paint job is a bit utilitarian, but the minis look fine compared to the concepts.
I love trying to push my pledge farther up the Strike Team Early Bird ladder. At only a $10 savings, the money isn't important but it's still a fun diversion until the KS ends. Can I hit the magic $140? Not quite yet but who knows?
Breotan wrote: I love trying to push my pledge farther up the Strike Team Early Bird ladder. At only a $10 savings, the money isn't important but it's still a fun diversion until the KS ends. Can I hit the magic $140? Not quite yet but who knows?
So, anyone else as bored as I obviously am?
Hah, I haven't been privy to that fun little KS mini-game, I was one of the mad gits in North America who decided to stay up until 5-6am to grab a $140 EB on day one. Sometimes my insomnia comes in handy.
Breotan wrote: I love trying to push my pledge farther up the Strike Team Early Bird ladder. At only a $10 savings, the money isn't important but it's still a fun diversion until the KS ends. Can I hit the magic $140? Not quite yet but who knows?
So, anyone else as bored as I obviously am?
Hah, I haven't been privy to that fun little KS mini-game, I was one of the mad gits in North America who decided to stay up until 5-6am to grab a $140 EB on day one. Sometimes my insomnia comes in handy.
Can someone help me understand how the BOGO works? I am in this with the Strike Team level and am getting most of what I want (yay!) but it looks as though the boosters have some non-basic troop types.
So what I want to know is, how much more economical is it to buy 4 boosters @ $20 per vs. 2 BOGO packages @ $50 in order to get those extra troops. Does that include the original figures as well as the booster expansions?
Everything in this KS is amazing, but some bits I have a hard time wrapping my head around.
Breotan wrote: I love trying to push my pledge farther up the Strike Team Early Bird ladder. At only a $10 savings, the money isn't important but it's still a fun diversion until the KS ends. Can I hit the magic $140? Not quite yet but who knows?
So, anyone else as bored as I obviously am?
Hah, I haven't been privy to that fun little KS mini-game, I was one of the mad gits in North America who decided to stay up until 5-6am to grab a $140 EB on day one. Sometimes my insomnia comes in handy.
I set an alarm.
Bah, sleep is for the healthy and well adjusted! Your ways make you soft and also deny you the ability to smell colours after being awake for more than two days! Where am I? Whose skin is this?!?!
*Ahem*
Sorry, there appears to be a horde of spiders invading from inside the walls, be back in a second. *the sound of drywall being punched through*
The bogos are WAY better deals, IF you want the extra models. They are doing 4 for hte price of 3 for the faction boosters. This is great for completionists trying to get every model. The BOGO faction booster BUNDLES are 15 models a piece. So you could spend 60(was 80) to get all of the specialists for completion, or 50 for two sets of 15 models, or 100 for four sets of 15 models etc.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I didn't get up early myself because I surely did not know this was coming! Slow with the news much? But oh well, I wouldn't be playing the early bird game anyway, went to assault a ways back and haven't looked back!
So I've got another question. Someone replied to my last post saying that I could do a post-KS pledge through PayPal, how would that work, and how long do I have to do it?
xraytango wrote: So I don't need the extra models, they look to be what I already get, which means that the 4/3 bundle is better for me if I just want the boosters?
I would say so. $60 gets you the round robin with no doops.
xraytango wrote: So I don't need the extra models, they look to be what I already get, which means that the 4/3 bundle is better for me if I just want the boosters?
Not really if you know someone who might want to buy them or just to have them for WarPath. You get 10 more models for 10 less dollars so unless storage is somehow a problem worth spending $10 more to avoid, I'd go with the $50 BOGOF booster bundle.
The 4 Boosters for 3 is 60 dollars for 4 packs, coming to 15 dollars per booster.
The BOGO Booster pack is 50 dollars for 6 packs, coming to 8.33 dollars per booster.
However, you're getting a lot of duplicate models in the BOGO packs. If you only want one of everything new, then the 4 Boosters for 3 is the deal you want. If you want the best deal/most stuff, the BOGO packs are your answer.
I personally feel that the extra 40 dollars for 2 BOGO packs is worth it, but that's just my opinion.
That's how I am understanding it, can someone check and help me figure out whether or not that is correct.
Defining "new" as "not in the starter":
Single Boosters: 1 - 5 new models - $20 2 - 10 new models - $40 3 - 15 new models - $60 4 - 20 new models - $60 - Buy 3 Get 4th Free.
Booster Bundle 1 - 10 new models, 5 old models - $50 2 - 20 new models, 10 old models - $50 - Buy One Get One Free
Edit: Also what MasterSlowPoke said; if you're a completionist only $60 for all 4 factions, if you want a goodly number of units for WarPath or variety, booster bundles
baritowned wrote: So I've got another question. Someone replied to my last post saying that I could do a post-KS pledge through PayPal, how would that work, and how long do I have to do it?
A post campaign pledge manager means that after the campaign closes, you will be sent log-on information for a system where you specify what additions you want (since if you, for example, pledge $200 on a $150 pledge level, they need to know what extras the $50 is covering).
At that point you will be able to add to your pledge, and pay them by paypal for the overage.
You might even be able to get into the post campaign if you message them now (or immediately after), as they know not everyone has a credit card that works with Amazon's system.
Alright and the Kicktraq day finishes out with $76k, 187 new backers and, erm, 2525 comments (mostly about food...).
So that means it was the second best cash intake and third best backer intake in the campaign. I hope by the final hour we can revise that to 4th and 5th best respectively (because of crazy good Sat/Sun numbers).
It also leaves us only $14k off of $800k so for those of us who are currently experiencing night, it will likely be a nice morning treat to wake up and see that we have surpassed it.
Can't wait to see what the final units in the Asterian/FF boxes are.
Four sprues, one connector sprue. Each sprue has (I think) eight "slots" in which tiles are fitted. Haven't seen the tile makeup of the expanded sets yet.
Glad to see we're almost at $800k, this is flying!
Edit: A lot of you had concerns about the connectors on the plastic terrain.
Mantic has just got the first prototype sprues back from the factory, and here's a video with Ronnie showing how the connectors work, snapping the terrain together and taking it apart:
Looks it holds together really well, even if you don't bother to use 2 connectors per wall edge and just use one.
Hopefully that puts people's minds at ease about what the engineering on them will like.
Just increased my pledge to $625 with the possibility of another increase if I can get a few more friends on board. They need a 4x strike team option for $500.
Ronin_eX wrote: Yeah, exclusives are kind of a bummer. Though Mantic's handling of them is one of the better ones.
So I'm not too put off by it (and hey, it worked for me and got me to upscale to $500) because they are less wasteful about it then a one-time KS exclusive that will never exist again.
Put simply if Dreadball had exclusive MVPs that would not have been avalible afterwards I would have deleted my pledge and played something else. I have no interest in a game that when I try to get others to play and they ask where can I get x player from the rulebook the answer is sorry you can't. No problem with alternate sculpts, but for a fairly unique product line like dreadball it would have been a deal breaker. However something like zombiecide which is a boardgame with no play against somebody else with there set of models requirement I wouldn't care. As it doesn't impact the game (unless of course they are in the rulebook but not in the box, that is just irritating.
tyrant of loserville wrote: Just increased my pledge to $625 with the possibility of another increase if I can get a few more friends on board. They need a 4x strike team option for $500.
Remember. If its broken up, we run the possibility of more scenarios written!! Seeing how crazy this thing got when the states got active yesterday, we might see a similar or even greater explosion today!
THIS IS A MONSTER!
Update #73 · Jun 1, 2013 · 11 comments
Holy Moly this is insane – this is a MONSTER! What a night.
Not only have we:
a) Secured the Rebs Faction Booster
b) Secured the Solo Play and A.I. deck rules
c) Got a brand new scenario added to the Nexus Psi campaign - next one at 4,000 backers!
We’ve also just smashed through our latest goal, the Marauder Faction Booster!
$800,000 – Marauder Faction Booster
The Marauder Faction Booster adds more character and variety to the faction starter by introducing some brand new specialists to the battlefield. With an Assault Commando Sergeant, Marauder Pyro, Goblin Weapons Team (and we’ll throw in the obligatory Marauder Hulk) the Marauder faction booster is chock full of cool new figures.
Marauder Faction Booster - Work in progress art! (The assault commando art is old and the model will NOT feature a loin cloth. Finished Art coming soon!)
The Marauder booster is now unlocked and available to add on for $20.
Don’t forget that it’s Buy any 3 Boosters get the 4th free – and with the passing of this stretch goal, the first four are all now unlocked!
This also means that all of our Booster Bundles are available to add-on now as well - and they are Buy One Get One Free! We’ll work on getting the home page updated.
Up next!
$810,000 – Asterian and Forge Father Upgrades
This one’s been hanging around our heads a little but it’s time to bring the Asterian and Forge Father Faction Starters up to speed with the others! If we hit this goal, we’ll add in more troops to the expanded universe factions, namely:
1) 1 Cypher with Flux Rifle and 1 Warden with Charge Glove to the Asterian Faction Starter
2) 2 Brokkrs to the Forge Father Faction Starter
$825,000 – Codename Oberon, Nameless Mercenary
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool Project Oberon, the Nameless Spy. We will include him free in game pledges of Recon ($100 and Early Birds) and up!
After this...
Then we’ll move on to two new goals – new Faction Boosters anyone?
Breotan wrote: I love trying to push my pledge farther up the Strike Team Early Bird ladder. At only a $10 savings, the money isn't important but it's still a fun diversion until the KS ends. Can I hit the magic $140? Not quite yet but who knows?
So, anyone else as bored as I obviously am?
Hah, I haven't been privy to that fun little KS mini-game, I was one of the mad gits in North America who decided to stay up until 5-6am to grab a $140 EB on day one. Sometimes my insomnia comes in handy.
I set an alarm.
Bah, sleep is for the healthy and well adjusted! Your ways make you soft and also deny you the ability to smell colours after being awake for more than two days! Where am I? Whose skin is this?!?!
*Ahem*
Sorry, there appears to be a horde of spiders invading from inside the walls, be back in a second. *the sound of drywall being punched through*
Got to $144 playing this last night after deciding to upgrade from Recon.. That was enough hitting of refresh for me though.
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool Project Oberon, the Nameless Spy. We will include him free in game pledges of Recon ($100 and Early Birds) and up!
After this...
Good to see them adding more "character" to the offer
Hmm, I'm considering this, just downloading the beta rules now and if its anything like Necromunda with squad growth via a campaign, I'll probably be in.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Hmm, I'm considering this, just downloading the beta rules now and if its anything like Necromunda with squad growth via a campaign, I'll probably be in.
The beta rules are more of a shell for the basic mechanics, so the don't cover campaigns.
My primary drive, which is where most of my purchases sit, is the terrain/mats to go with Strike.
The mats and buildings can be used for so many other games, it's really a no-brainer to me.
I can roll out from 2x2 to 6x4 for most of my games; Warzone, Infinity, 40k, Robotech, Battletech, Malifaux, etc..Throw in some extra minis, now Warpath can be added to the list.
Sure it's not as "fluffy" for some and might be slightly out of scale for others. Cheap mats and cheap walls that can be reconfigured.
The bulk of my pledge is for terrain as well. Probably going to go Strike + BOGO + 8 battlezones, and then either an Acetaminophen bundle or 4 more battlezones. I was going to pick up the EU bundle, but the more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea. With Strike + BOGO I can have two large factions, but if I did Strike + EU I'd have 6 medium factions... it just doesn't make as much sense considering I'm not in love with either of the EU factions.
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool the Asterian Faction Booster, adding brand new specialists to the range!
This awesome new set contains a close combat Cypher Prime with Starstrike Gauntlet, one Cypher with Missile Launcher, one Drone Swarm and one Grav Bike!
Cypher Prime with Starstrike Gauntlet
A close combat specialist, the short-range Starstrike fires short-ranged bursts of energy to stun enemies.
Cypher with Missile Launcher
Cypher Gravbike LRV (Light Recon Vehicle)
LRV's are lightly armoured, lightly armed scout vehicles that nip around the battlefield, harrassing enemy forces.
It might not get that high, but there's a good chance of $1.2 to $1.3mil and hard plastic enforcers, hard plastic dropship etc. happening.
IF those things get announced at the right time, with enough time left, than your $1.5M might be a little low!
FULL UPDATE!
I Spy
Update #74 · Jun 1, 2013 · 17 comments
This thing is storming like a sci-fi steam train!
That's the extra figures added to the Asterian and Forge Father Faction Starters. Get in!
Whilst we get to work on updating the graphics on the home page, here's what we're chasing down next...
$825,000 - Codename Oberon, Nameless Mercenary
The DreadBall MVP known as John Doe is not the only one of his kind within the Corporation, though they are rare. Like John Doe, Codename Oberon has been given a name that his human superiors can pronounce easily, though the irony is that Oberon himself cannot. Still, he is a creature of few words at the best of times. And this isn’t the best of times.
Someone has affronted Oberon’s masters, and though they try to remain in the shadows those masters are plain to all those who care to look. He is one of the Council of Seven’s fixers, able to slip invisibly through official security screens and go where he pleases, containment protocol or not. The fact that he is here at all does show one thing clearly though: someone important is about to die.
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool Codename Oberon, the Nameless Spy. We will include him free in game pledges of Recon ($100 and Early Birds) and up!
NEW! $860,000 – Asterian Faction Booster
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool the Asterian Faction Booster, adding brand new specialists to the range!
This awesome new set contains a close combat Cypher Prime with Starstrike Gauntlet, one Cypher with Missile Launcher, one Drone Swarm and one Grav Bike!
Cypher Prime with Starstrike Gauntlet
A close combat specialist, the short-range Starstrike fires short-ranged bursts of energy to stun enemies.
Cypher with Missile Launcher
Cypher Gravbike LRV (Light Recon Vehicle)
LRV's are lightly armoured, lightly armed scout vehicles that nip around the battlefield, harrassing enemy forces.
You will be able to pick up the Booster as part of our Buy 3 get the 4th Faction Booster free.
We will also put together a Booster Bundle which you will be able to get as part of the Buy One Get One Free!
NEW! $875,000 – Plague Zombie Campaign
If we hit this goal, we will write and publish solo Zombie Campaign rules!
The Zombie Campaign is a scenario-based campaign pitting any faction against the Plague Zombies. Play solo or cooperatively against the Zombie horde outbreak across a number of all new scenarios!
Here's Jake with more!
We will include this set of scenarios digitally for FREE with EVERY pledge, as part of your Deadzone Compendium.
Don't forget that Deadzone Veterans get a FREE printed copy of the Deadzone Compendium with Limited Edition Front Cover, signed by Ronnie with a personal message of thanks.
NEW! $910,000 – Forge Father Faction Booster
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool the Forge Father Faction Booster, adding brand new specialists to the range!
This awesome new set contains a Chief Brokkr, 1 Forge Guard with Missile Launcher, 1 Brokkr Demolition Team and 1 Valkyr - a Brokkr LRV!
You will be able to pick up the Booster as part of our Buy 3 get the 4th Faction Booster free.
We will also put together a Booster Bundle which you will be able to get as part of the Buy One Get One Free!
^ I'm not trawling through this thread, but it's there.
And yeah, the more info at this point the better, I think... it looks like $910k to finish off 100% of the basic stuff, and then there's 1 more merc on top of that... and then it gets interesting!
$1 mil goal better be as sweet as hell. They're at $400 worth of stuff in Strike Team currently. Dreadball finished at $500 worth of stuff in Striker. They still have economic room for something very impressive.
And yeah, the more info at this point the better, I think... it looks like $910k to finish off 100% of the basic stuff, and then there's 1 more merc on top of that... and then it gets interesting!
Well, that Grav Bike is - technically - the first foray into vehicles.
How frickin' awesome are those Forge Father guys?! And is it just me, or does that small tracked vehicle thing on the right look like some kind of pet (possibly a face on the front of it?)
I just realized that, so I removed the comment - I'm not that familiar with the Forge Father range, so I am glad to see that almost everything I would want is already available!
Really not impressed with the Forge Fathers. I really like the armoured FF from Dreadball and was excited when I saw the concepts in Deadzone. But the more they've been moving away from the armored concept the less I've been liking them.
Pacific wrote: How frickin' awesome are those Forge Father guys?! And is it just me, or does that small tracked vehicle thing on the right look like some kind of pet (possibly a face on the front of it?)
Wonder if that's a tech-take on the Dwarven throwing mastiffs from Kings of War?
Throwing Mastiffs? No need to re-invent the wheel.
I wonder why they bothered to put Asterians in this point. The range is mostly the same robot with a different gun, and a token Space Elf.
I think that Zee or Z'Zor would provide an opportunity for a lot more cool models...and people would be donating organs for a Nameless Faction if the reaction over the Nameless we've seen so far is anything to go buy.
Will it be possible to put together a purely mercenary force? That would be cool.
GrimDork wrote: If that's what you do to get one... not sure I want one!
Guess I'm gonna have to shelf my rebs army idea its too hard tobuy a list bblind. Oh well that makes room for the EU boosters.
Did I read that update right BTW? Solo. Zombie. Campaign? Holy crap.
I'd be curious how they'd run the whole solo-play thing.
Would seem to me to be a lot harder to pull off in a more-or-less-wargaming setting (compared to a board game such as DreadBall, and even there it be tricky to make the A.I. truly challenging).
Most "build-for-solo-and/or-cooperative-gaming" games usually compensate by making the forces highly asymmetrical as far as power-levels go.
so i went to sleep,and wake up to +40k, and now light vehicles for the asterains and FF. Now i want the dreadball mech for the enforcers, and a APC, but i think all the vehicles for the enforcers should be antigrav. the rebels should be using wheeled vehicles. though.
had a thought. I bet the million dollar stretch goal is going to be Vehicles for every race, and you can choose 1 and get it for free.
Zweischneid wrote: Ok... so it's "solo" only against the Zombie Hordes? No solo-game ... say ... Rebs vs. Marauders?
There are different solo modes - solo rules for playing against AI card controlled other factions (already funded) and now funding solo rules for 1 faction (or more) against a Zombie Horde. Apparently Zombie Hordes will require 35 to 45 Zombies to play but you can recycle some into play if you need more
Sadly, I dropped my EB Striker, as I really just don't need another game to get into...but I'm going in for add ons only. Since I've always added onto an actual pledge level, I'm curious: do I just select the "no thanks, I just want to help" pledge and will I still get a survey to fill out the goodies I want? I'm adjusting adding on as soon as somebody can tell me.
I can easily see a "Zombicide-style" Zombie-on-rush scenario being played. The "A.I." required to commandeer a zombie-horde is comparatively easy to do with cards, both because they have superiour numbers and because their basic behaviour is pretty straight forward.
What I want to see is how you could turn a .. say ... Enforcer or Rebs Squad in a "player-vs-player"-equivalent match turn solo on the basis of cards. Seems like all the synergies, stratagems of positioning, etc.. would quickly be lost, making a "card-based" Enforcer-force a rather uninspiring opponent to play against (solo).
I don't get the hover and wheeled bikes. I would much rather see proper lightly armored support vehicles (think up-armored hummer/MRAP) which would serve a purpose in a skirmish game. I just can't see troops fighting from bikes, and the mobility doesn't gain much on a 2x2 or even 4x4 table with lots of terrain.
Ah, what a nice way to wake in the morning. Plenty of updates and a reason to drop another $50 in to the KS to bring me over $500. Now I'm down for an Enforcer, Reb, Marauder and Forge Father booster bundle. I am a happy SDorf right now. This day is actually looking like it may be a bit higher than yesterday, hopefully we're staring at $900k come tomorrow so we can lock in the last faction booster (and unarguably the most important of them all).
I recently looked at the front page and was reminded of how many individual mercs we're getting. Pretty sweet. I dont think they're quite at dreadball MVP amount, but its still more than I realized.
Well, we're at the $50k mark for the first half of today, and the first half is usually the slowest (picking up in the evening for UK and America).
I'd put good odds on another $70k in the next 12 hours to hit the forgefather booster just as the final day (or final 18 hours, more accurately) starts.
SS-That's what I'm thinking. When I wake up tomorrow, and its noon or so in the UK, we should see the core game and EU "done". Hopefully then they start in with some fun/crazy stuff
Quick question. I've decided that I don't really want any starters and just want addons. Can I just pledge for addons and add something for shipping, or is it not possible?
CptJake wrote: I don't get the hover and wheeled bikes. I would much rather see proper lightly armored support vehicles (think up-armored hummer/MRAP) which would serve a purpose in a skirmish game. I just can't see troops fighting from bikes, and the mobility doesn't gain much on a 2x2 or even 4x4 table with lots of terrain.
The problem with that is a vehicle is that it's far bigger than a bike,
so costs a lot more to tool (an potentially needs more assembly too which counts against it in what is still nominally a board game)
(if you look at the gun platform thingy the marauders got the text underneath says the concept art has it too large probably for this very reason)
Yeah, I think you can pick a blank pledge level or something, and just get add-ons with a shipping charge. Someone else could better instruct you about the specifics of actually doing so, though.
Cool, thanks! After you responded, I went and did some hunting, found the add-on guide document, and it says that if you aren't pledging for at least a starter, $5 for shipping is needed, so I think I've got my pledge worked out!
I'm more likely to get a plague army than a rebs one at this point. Reeeaaaaly want a rebs army list, but its helping me moderate my expenses by giving up my 3rd and 4th rebs faction starters to the EU factions and spending the bundle $50 on the bogo booster bundles instead so I won't cry.... Much...*sniffle*
Yeah, I probably only really *need* one box to go with the 10 I get for assault. But I'm sorely tempted to get two to have "enough" for solo zombie rules. And then its just 15 more dollars for $30 value. I see what they did there. Fiends!
Okay. I'm at $141 Strike Team, $50 for bogof booster deal, and $95 for Urban Battle (damaged) sprues. That puts me at $286. What should I get to put me over the top? I'm thinking either the Commercial or Medical scenery bundles but I might just get a second bogof booster deal and get four factions built up strong in case my play style or preferences change.
let's be honest we don't need any of this but we so want it I'm trying to stop this one spiraling out of control in for $583 now - I cut back the 6 Booster bundles for $150 to 6 Boosters for $100 to try to free up some funds I can probably run another $100 but I need to see what happens after $1 million
Oh and they should have the first Zombie renders in the next update.
New update this is one to watch out for if you want solo rules the AI cards are digital only as part of the pledge you have to play $8 for a printed set if you want them.
I'd like to see a mini RPG mode using mercs to fight with the zombies as part of the new solo zombie rules or as a further stretch at some point. At that point I don't even need to bother playing Zombicide anymore- I'll have enough pieces by the end of this campaign to recreate the entire game in the Warpath universe.
Wit a few damaged battlezones added in I can see the stuff from Escape/ Eden making some fun proxy survivors to take on the Plague.
27 hours to go! Zombie Render; Connector Video and NEW Add-ons!
Update #76 · Jun 1, 2013 · comment
We’ve had the first render of the new Plague Zombies in from our digital sculptor and we must say, even though it’s work in progress and unposed, it looks fantastic!
From here the model will get rendered and cut up. It’s being designed to be compatible with our Kings of War Zombies and Ghouls, and will feature a Ball Joint at the waist for poseability and fully interchangeable components!
With this pic to hand, here's a little deal to help your guys get more of them...
Deadzone Connectors – how do they work?
Trust us, it’s more exciting than it sounds!! Remember, all of the components used in the video are prototypes. Your scenery, connectors and accessories will be hard plastic!!
New Add-ons!
Today we’ve added the Battle Foam Bag to the main page as an add-on!
It contains several layers of foam and will hold approximately 200 miniatures – more than enough to hold your figures at Strike Team!!
It will also ship in a separate package to your main shipment. Shipping has been included in the price.
A.I. Deck
Earlier in the campaign we secured the funding for Solo Play rules and A.I. Cards. These were included digitally in your pledge for free. If you want a printed set of cards then they are now available to add-on to your pledge:
Secret Weapon
Justin from Secret Weapon has been busy – and today I can bring you the 4’x4’ hard plastic Secret Weapon Board!
This configuration includes 16 modular plastic tiles with connectors and is now available to add on to your pledge!
AND FINALLY
Because who doesn’t like silhouettes?
Plenty more to come folks – and less than 30 hours to go! Tell everyone!!
PS - in a minor amendment to our last update, the Asterian Faction Booster goal should be listed as $860,000 as originally announced! Our apologies for the error.
The inevitable Battle Foam bag offer makes an appearance, along with a Zombie deal and a silhouette of something...
Hmm, the bag may definitely get me to pledge a bit more. I've been going over my pledge again and I've cut out some stuff I don't need (had a few random specialists that are included in my bundles and I wont be needing the WP Captain after seeing the helmeted one for Deadzone) so I have a bit more room now. So I'm currently hemming and hawing over random non-miniature add-ons. I could use a new bag (my old one is 6+ years old and getting really ratty) but more mats or even terrain might be nice.
Or maybe I should hold off a little longer to see what other restic crack they can use to pull me in.
The zombie deal is also sounding really nice, only $0.56 a zombie and the quality of the render looks great (should easily work for undead in Warzone, certainly has the shoulder pads for it!). But then... painting 80 zombies might break me.
Great way to start a Plague army in Warpath though (or if you have need of zombies for 40k). If nothing else, this has me excited to see the Warpath KS next year (so much money will be poured in to that).
Yeah, my initial interest was for having some nice, clean sci-fi terrain for use in Infinity and a few other games. The extra spending on the minis is just a bonus.
But this stuff should be great for Infinity, especially as a way of building a lot of specialized terrain for Campaing: Paradiso. I may have to add another few battlezones just to make some specific Infinity terrain like a 12"X12" room with a couple of doorways.
And don't forget the Atenociti's Workshop scatter terrain either. That stuff will be useful for Infinity as well (very useful).
It will be nice to set up a table for Infinity and not have to resort to any of my 40k terrain (or even ruins and rubble for that matter).
Damn, now I am trying to justify the $185 terrain add-on to replace the $95.
Centurionpainting wrote: For the $150 pledge it says "an additional faction booster." Does this mean we could add on the Aeserith (spelling) faction booster as well?
Yes. You get Enforcers, Marauders, Rebels and Plague. On top of this youc an have an extra one of one of those four, or your choice of Forge Fathers or Asterians.
Assuming you mean "where does it say you can add an additional booster", I think what Centurionpainting is referring to is the banner at the bottom of the image describing what Starter Sets you get with the Strike Team, which states, after listing the Enforcers, Plague, Rebs and Marauders, "Plus a fifth free faction starter of your choice".
Which, in response to Centurionpainting, would be a no, because it's specifically referring to a free starter, not a booster (different things). You can certainly add the Asterian Starter, though.
Assuming you mean "where does it say you can add an additional booster", I think what Centurionpainting is referring to is the banner at the bottom of the image describing what Starter Sets you get with the Strike Team, which states, after listing the Enforcers, Plague, Rebs and Marauders, "Plus a fifth free faction starter of your choice".
Which, in response to Centurionpainting, would be a no, because it's specifically referring to a free starter, not a booster (different things). You can certainly add the Asterian Starter, though.
Yonan wrote:
Centurionpainting wrote: For the $150 pledge it says "an additional faction booster." Does this mean we could add on the Aeserith (spelling) faction booster as well?
Yes. You get Enforcers, Marauders, Rebels and Plague. On top of this youc an have an extra one of one of those four, or your choice of Forge Fathers or Asterians.
Outstanding, thanks for clearing that up! We get to ad the addition after the KS ends then?
I dont mind the pose or lack thereof... I just hope he either gets some pointer toenails or some boots added. As it stands I see no reason for him to not have boots... I'm assuming that's the civilian scientist? Looks like his suit could have a big bubble plastic helmet the way its shaped.
I'm really liking the scalability that's gone into Deadzone: - 2x2 to 6x4 or more - 1 player to 8 or more - Small unit counts to large - Ground level to the sky thanks to stackable, modular terrain - One game to many thanks to campaign rules
Getting multiple factions in strike team now that you can play solo is sitting well with me now too.
I think only your total during the Kickstarter will be counted towards qualifying for the $300, $400 and $500 'bonus levels' though - so, you might want to pledge more now, and have Amazon Payments bug you for the next few days instead of waiting until later...if you're going that high, of course!
I wasnt going towards the higher bonus levels, just more add-ons. I definitely want to get the chovar and helfather, maybe some more terrain and two more gaming mats. It also depends on what they reveal in the next 26 hours.
Just realized I also need the Forge Father starter and booster.
I asked this question a while ago and someone generously posted a picture of the Praetorian in response. Now that we're a closer to the end I thought I'd see if there was a more definitive response.
Does anyone know how tall the Asterian Cypers are supposed to be? i.e. are they supossed to be slightly taller than an Enforcer?
With that slim build I hope they taller than most normal models with a very gracile feel to them.
I'm in for $260 and I'm trying to figure out how to split up my Add Ons. Than ks in advance for any help!
Ended up going $98 after all is said and done: Enforcer starter ($40), Enforcer booster x2 ($50), Blaine. Maybe something else will catch my eye later, but I think this is pretty good for now-I can always add more when they do a survey again before sending stuff out in December. Honestly, having this KS end when the KoW surveys are due back kind of made my decision for me-I don't NEED a new game, but I would have pledged if it hadn't been for the Basilean army from KoW...
You know, I snagged a $142 early bird on a lark - intending to change to the $285 terrain deal later - but now that I look at it, it's starting to appeal to me. The models that are already sculpted are pretty spiffy and the rules, apart from the d8 dice pool mechanic, look very sensible.
Now I'm confused. Assault ($290) has "all stretch goals" and Strike has "any stretch goals applicable". Does assault include more extras or is it just unfortunate wording?
agnosto wrote: Now I'm confused. Assault ($290) has "all stretch goals" and Strike has "any stretch goals applicable". Does assault include more extras or is it just unfortunate wording?
Unfortunate wording I believe; Assault is simply Strike Teamx2 so you get double the bonuses and rewards but if Strike Team doesn't get it, neither does Assault.
Somebody please check my totals and tell me if I am right. Its after midnight and I need some sleep.
Strike Team 1 $143 1 of each core (1ENF, 1PLG, 1 MAR, 1 REB) + 1 More Reb
Enforcer Booster Bundle Enforcer 1 $50 Buy 1 get one free - 1 Enforcer/1 Rebel
Booster Bundle#2 Mix #2 1 $50 Buy 1 get one free - 1 Asterian/Forge Fathers
Expanded Universe Faction Bundle 1 $50 Asterian/Forge Fathers Starters
20x Zombies 3 $15 4 for the price of 3 (80 minis)
1x AI Cards Scenery 1 $8
TOTAL
Pledge Level $143
Optional Extras $173
Shipping $-
Total to Pledge $366.00
One Click Urban Battlefield 1 $95
Warpath Enforcer Captain Enforcer 1 $10
Chovar Psychic 1 $10
Dr Simmonds 1 $8
The Survivor 1 $8
Urban Detailing Mega Bundle X 2 $65
Secret Weapon 2' x 2' Plastic Game Board X 1 $60
TOTAL
Pledge Level $95
Optional Extras $226
Shipping $-
Total to Pledge $321.00
A grand total of = $687
Which will qualify me for Veteran (signed ALT Cover Rulebook), both the $400 – ALT Resin rebel leader and the $500 – ALT Plague Figure. (Edited to be correct.)
^ You need to combine those two separate pledges into one single pledge to qualify for the resins.
One-click Urban battlefield (early bird) is available as an add-on with exactly the same contents at exactly the same price, you do not need to make a separate pledge for it.
Deadzone Veteran Commander
Not content with just offering a printed copy of the Deadzone Compendium with limited edition cover to our Veterans who break $300...
Anyone who pledges $400 or more during the campaign (pre-survey), including shipping and add-ons, will get a Kickstarter Exclusive Master Resin Rebs Commander.This stunning miniature will be in a new action pose - and ONLY available through this Kickstarter.
The current Rebs Commander
Anyone who pledges $500 or more during the campaign (pre-survey), including shipping and add-ons, will get a Kickstarter Exclusive Master Resin 1st Generation Plague in unique pose - this monster miniature will ONLY be available on this Kickstarter.
Current 1st Generation Plague
What’s more is that both of these miniatures will come with its own uniquely numbered certificate signed by Ronnie - a true gift!
Get pledging folks and please tell your friends - there are just 3 days to go until the end!
There are three ways you can get hold of this bad boy:
1) Add it onto your pledge for $20.
2) Get it as part of our Buy any 3 Faction Boosters Get another 1 Free
3) Part of our Buy One Get One Free Booster Bundles!
Add on the Asterian and Forge Father Boosters now and help us get through our goals!!
Up next:
$875,000 – Solo Zombie Campaign
$910,000 – Forge Father Faction Booster
NEW! $925,000 – Freya, Forge Father Smuggler
With a crash the door smashed open and the Rebel trooper almost fell into the bunker. “There’s a… a… ” he gasped between gulps of air.
“Sanders!” barked the sergeant. “Report!”
The panting Rebel snapped to the best impression of attention he could muster, still gasping for air.
“Sorry sarge” he managed between breaths.
“Now lad, take your time” said the sergeant rather more gently. “What did you see then?”
“Private Sanders begs to report an enemy sighting, sir.” “Yes, well that is why we’re here son. Who’d you see?” This simple question seemed to confuse the trooper for a moment.
“A Forge… Father.”
“With the Orx? Hmmm, that’s unusual. Still, mercs turn up all over and you’ve seen them before. What’s got you so spooked about this one Sanders? Is he Forge Guard?”
“Not exactly, sir. He’s a she – a female Forge Father… er… mother... sister…” he trailed off into silence.
After a moment he continued “But they don’t exist.”
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool Freya, a Forge Father Smuggler! This new mercenary will be included free in game pledges of Recon ($100 and Early Bird) and up!
We love the named mercenaries that you have helped introduce to the universe – they’re characterful and full of variety: characters that you can relate too! We think more named characters should be introduced >
Dangit, I was being so good. I was under $100! And then I looked at the Strike Team graphic. Now I'm at $198 with a crappy $2 off Strike Team EB and a pair of Faction Booster Sets for $50
Automatically Appended Next Post: Or I could just NOW snag a $142 Strike Team EB
My pledge was looking simple (if stupidly large) prior to them dropping that zombie bundle; unlike H.B.M.C I don't have tons of zombies of any stripe lying around. And with game modes specifically for them and such, 80 models for $45 is a pretty good deal.
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool Freya, a Forge Father Smuggler! This new mercenary will be included free in game pledges of Recon ($100 and Early Bird) and up!
Ah, my apologies in that case. The Rebs commander looks a little that way but not especially so. I think most female models we find in the genre tend to be half-dressed or models or both. (see: Infinity, the models SS linked yesterday, etc)
Might be a stupid question, but does anyone know if the BOGOF/4-for-the-price-of-3 deals are applicable during the survey, or just right now before it ends?
I ask because while funds are tight now, in a couple months when they toss out the survey I can afford to chunk a lot more into it.
Azazelx wrote: Ah, my apologies in that case. The Rebs commander looks a little that way but not especially so. I think most female models we find in the genre tend to be half-dressed or models or both. (see: Infinity, the models SS linked yesterday, etc)
Kalamadea wrote: Just me or is the Strike Team graphic missing? recon is there, but strike level says see diagram at top of page but there's no diagram
It's been moved to the top of the list as the "recommended" option, so it's above the cheaper ones now.
At this stage in the game, I'd be shocked if they didn't breech a mil.
I fear some of the goals are gonna be duds though post 1 mil as far as what they'll do to enhance "Deadzone" rather then warpath. My preference will be two more factions with a similar deal to the last two, as I know was being discussed by Mantic, but who knows.
We still need the 2 bonus terrain sprues for strike team don't we? Hopefully that'll be in the 900's. A flat upgrade to 2 battlezones basically I guess.
Anyone know what the deal is with the change to the acrylic counters? They lost 6 black and gained 16 orange. I was hoping they'd add activation counters in, not sure if this is it.
Maybe I missed it, but has there been any info on what the Secret Weapon board will be like? On the Secret Weapon KS there were multiple types shown. I imagine the 'clean streets' would seem likely, but it also could be a DZ specific tile set.
Ahtman wrote: Maybe I missed it, but has there been any info on what the Secret Weapon board will be like? On the Secret Weapon KS there were multiple types shown. I imagine the 'clean streets' would seem likely, but it also could be a DZ specific tile set.
Sigh, and I changed my mind again: I realized that with the Mercenaries and the big plague guy I wanted, it would end up costing only slightly over to get the regular striker. I'm definitely going to be offering up the Rebs and all the plague stuff except for the boss up for trade: would anyone have an interest in getting me the BOGOF of Enforcer $50 pack (I want two sets) and trading it for my Rebs and Plague (minus plague leader)? I'll even add in the zombies too.
darkPrince010 wrote: Might be a stupid question, but does anyone know if the BOGOF/4-for-the-price-of-3 deals are applicable during the survey, or just right now before it ends?
I ask because while funds are tight now, in a couple months when they toss out the survey I can afford to chunk a lot more into it.
I thought that the way it works is that you pledge your level and your amount, but you can add more to it later as you are not billed until the end of the KS, but you can add more when your survey is turned in. You can't choose anything else right now except for your pledge and an amount.
At least that seems to be SOP for KS.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, guys. I wouldn't want my misunderstanding to be someone elses' misunderstanding.
Ahtman wrote: I was hoping for at least two different tiles. Twelve of the same one gets repetitive pretty quick.
It is, and always was, a single tile for the Deadzone set.
That doesn't make me any happier about the repetitiveness of the board. The problem is that the $60 for 4 is not nearly as good a deal as the $150 for 12, but that is a lot of the same tile over and over. I don't need that many man holes per capita on my streets.
Ahtman wrote: I was hoping for at least two different tiles. Twelve of the same one gets repetitive pretty quick.
It is, and always was, a single tile for the Deadzone set.
That doesn't make me any happier about the repetitiveness of the board. The problem is that the $60 for 4 is not nearly as good a deal as the $150 for 12, but that is a lot of the same tile over and over. I don't need that many man holes per capita on my streets.
Delux mat in the Strike Team pledge will do fine for me. Otherwise, I'll just do generic ground with buildings on it like I do for everything else.
Yeah. I'm planning on picking up 4 battle zones to go with the 3 "battle zones" i'll be getting out of assault. I kind of want to get a landing pad and a fortification for two of them. Maxing out on antenocitis means I dont need the extra scatter terrain ruins provides so I guess the rest are core worlds. I just hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot in terms of overall amount of terrain and the ability to make whole buildings (when the occasion calls for it).
For instance, the 'X' tile in core worlds is awesome for building up, while retaining ground level visibility. I need all of those I can get and hope that landing pad and fortifications don't weaken my overall terrain viability.
I'm sure it'll work out fine though, and be nice to paint something different too.
Ahtman wrote: I was hoping for at least two different tiles. Twelve of the same one gets repetitive pretty quick.
It is, and always was, a single tile for the Deadzone set.
That doesn't make me any happier about the repetitiveness of the board. The problem is that the $60 for 4 is not nearly as good a deal as the $150 for 12, but that is a lot of the same tile over and over. I don't need that many man holes per capita on my streets.
They have to order thousands of one design of mat. I was told that when they order from the printers again instead of 6000 (cant remember the actual figure) of one type they will order 2000 of 3 types.
Well, I broke down and upped my pledge to include a box of plague zombies, and the BOGO faction boosters, as well as the Helfather... Mantic is making my wallet empty, but 126 miniatures and terrain for $223 is a steal
What has science done! I am now sitting at $630 after adding on and army case and another $50 in terrain. Still have a bit open just in case anything catches my eye, but I may be done now. Either that or I grab another BOGOF booster... or more zombies. Gah!
Be aware that battle foam still hasn't supplied all the cases it was supposed to from the sedition wars kickstarter so people might want to think twice about pledging for a battle foam bag.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Be aware that battle foam still hasn't supplied all the cases it was supposed to from the sedition wars kickstarter so people might want to think twice about pledging for a battle foam bag.
Really? That's odd. Unlike miniatures, games, etc.., they wouldn't have to produce anything "new", or would they?
It's all laser cut foam so that part should be easy enough, I'm guessing the bags themselves might be sweat shop outsourced and demand has outstripped supply.
lord_blackfang wrote: Is $80 even a deal? The Mantic bag costs $65 retail, $48.75 on Black Friday.
Hmm, that so? Hmm, you're right $75 in their shop. Wonder if the extra $5 is to cover the extra shipping it is likely to incur. Either that or the tray loadout is different (the KS page says it holds 200, how much does the $75/£50 version hold on average?).
Oh well, if it ends up not being a great deal then I have more room for terrain.
Edit - Ah, there it is. Yeah ships seperately so the S&H has been included in the price. All things considered, still worth the trouble (unless there are supply issues). Same cost as retail, but the shipping is much more reasonable. But if they go super cheap on Black Friday/Cyber Monday then others may want to wait.
Some more dwarf-detail up on Deadzone. Love the little jokes they do with the characters (such as they Freya Lady-Dwarf).
Oh wow, only 14 hours to go!
Not only have the Solo Zombies Campaign rules been locked in too, we’ve just broken through the Forge Father Faction Booster – thank you so much!
The Forge Father Faction Booster contains:
$925,000 - Freya, Forge Father Smuggler
With a crash the door smashed open and the Rebel trooper almost fell into the bunker. “There’s a… a… ” he gasped between gulps of air.
“Sanders!” barked the sergeant. “Report!”
The panting Rebel snapped to the best impression of attention he could muster, still gasping for air.
“Sorry sarge” he managed between breaths.
“Now lad, take your time” said the sergeant rather more gently. “What did you see then?”
“Private Sanders begs to report an enemy sighting, sir.” “Yes, well that is why we’re here son. Who’d you see?” This simple question seemed to confuse the trooper for a moment.
“A Forge… Father.”
“With the Orx? Hmmm, that’s unusual. Still, mercs turn up all over and you’ve seen them before. What’s got you so spooked about this one Sanders? Is he Forge Guard?”
“Not exactly, sir. He’s a she – a female Forge Father… er… mother... sister…” he trailed off into silence.
After a moment he continued “But they don’t exist.”
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool Freya, a Forge Father Smuggler!
So, someone sell me on the models or the game. Right now I'm Pledged for 4 battlezones to use as terrain for necromunda and 40k. There's not really enough terrain for me in Recon or Strike Team, and I don't want to go much over 100. Unless there's a good reason for me to want the models or rules over the terrain (which looks pretty good). Any help?
Widdershinz wrote: So, someone sell me on the models or the game. Right now I'm Pledged for 4 battlezones to use as terrain for necromunda and 40k. There's not really enough terrain for me in Recon or Strike Team, and I don't want to go much over 100. Unless there's a good reason for me to want the models or rules over the terrain (which looks pretty good). Any help?
If you can't afford both, I would get the terrain.
Widdershinz wrote: So, someone sell me on the models or the game. Right now I'm Pledged for 4 battlezones to use as terrain for necromunda and 40k. There's not really enough terrain for me in Recon or Strike Team, and I don't want to go much over 100. Unless there's a good reason for me to want the models or rules over the terrain (which looks pretty good). Any help?
I really dig what I've seen from the rules.
The "move-by-squares-but-position-your-models-for-true-LOS" seems to be an awesome approach to doing a fast-play skirmish game without all the fiddling with tape measure, etc.. .
Models... well. You like em or you don't. Hard to "sell" you on them. I like a lot of Mantic stuff, but my mind also keeps drifting towards ideas on how to "40K-ify" the whole thing for a fast-play 40K Skirmish Game (say.. proxy DeathWatch-Marines for Enforcers, Eldar with new Wraithguard as Asterian+Cyphers, Orks for .. well Orx, Chaos Cultists perhaps for Plaque (3rd Gen) and a few larger Chaos stuff thrown in, etc.. ).
New characters are good but the stretch goals are a little uninspiring at this point.
$10k for a ticket that most backers will never use they should not be offering SG like that at this stage.
I've never liked hardcover books so I can give that a miss and it means I don't need to get to $750 for something exclusive that I want.
I'll pass on the crates I have loads and I like the idea that someone suggested of just putting blank crates out and the counters in a bag when you take a crate put your hand in the bag and randomly draw a counter - job done.
Glad to see the terrain being brought up to 2 battle zones.
So there's another $52 worth of characters coming that'll keep things ticking along.
My only complaint is that the characters I want aren't inside of $1mil. May just pledge $50 now. It it goes through, I get 'em all, if not it is another BOGOF booster or another couple battlezones. Aww, screw it, I think I'll just go all in and sort it out when I wake up!
Road to the Big One!
Update #79 · Jun 2, 2013 · 8 comments
Wow! We're flying guys, it's truly rocking!
With Freya currently being funded, let's see what's next. Let's take a look all of the way up to the Million Dollars!
$935,000 - Resin Loot Counters
If we hit this goal, we’ll be able to tool a set of resin Loot Counters with Inserts, produced by Antenocitis Workshop.
This set features a set of 8 Crates (a different design to any of the crates in the Urban Detailing Bundles) and 16 lids. The lids each have symbols for the different equipment and loot (such as heavy machineguns, medi-pack and grenades) moulded on so they can be carried around with your models as counters.
This 3D Resin Counter Set is now available to add-on to your pledge $10.
$950,000 - Nem-Rath, Asterian Observer
Even among the Shuutavar, Nem-Rath is regarded as being something of a stickler for the traditional. In a position that focuses on maintaining the Asterian way, Nem-Rath is a leading light. He is unflinching in his criticism of those who fail which makes his infrequent praise all the more valuable. His many years of experience and the finest battle gear available make him a formidable warrior in his own right - not that he will be pleased if he has to take part. Ideally his presence should not be felt by either side, save by the Asterian commander who will be hard pressed to avoid the sense that his every move and thought is being scrutinised which, of course, it is.
In the unlucky event of the commander being slain a Shuutavar’s objective changes. Nem-Rath, like any other of his class, will take over the command, completing the mission or recovering resources as he deems appropriate. The commander’s loss is regrettable, but need not be compounded by failure.
If we hit this goal, we will be able to sculpt and tool Nem-Rath, a brand new Asterian Character.
There will be brand new named characters for each of the factions, starting with Nem-Rath and they are available to add-on to your pledge:
$960,000 – Ticket
If we hit this goal, we will include a Free Deadzone Ticket to your pledge.
The Deadzone Ticket gives you free access to a special Deadzone event at a future show, including Adepticon in the USA and the Mantic Open Day in the UK.
$975,000 – Kish, Plague Named Character
If we hit this goal, we will be able to sculpt and tool Kish, a brand new character for the Plague.
Add her on to your pledge now for $8!
$1,000,000 - 2 Scenery Sprues and Deadzone Collector's Edition Book!
If we hit this epic goal, we will put together the Deadzone: Collector’s Edition book.
This book will be hard back with a unique piece of art on the cover. We will only print enough of these books for the Kickstarter, plus 250, and we will number each book individually.
Ronnie and Jake will sign each and every one with a personal message of thanks.
It will contain:
- The Complete Deadzone Rulebook, featuring all of the core rules and campaign system
- The Complete Deadzone Short-Story Compilation
- The Complete Deadzone Compendium – including Solo Zombie Campaign, Solo Rules, Multi-mat, Multi-player, Zombie Rules, Strategy Guide, Painting Guide and MORE!
- A Unique Developer Diary written by Jake, with concept art and colour art.
- PLUS a Brand New Scenario using all of your mercenaries in a single mission: the 1 Million Credit Bank Raid.
The book is available to add-on to your pledge for $40.
In addition, if you pledge $750 or more during the course of the campaign we will include a copy of the Deadzone: Collector’s Edition free with your pledge!
But that's not all!
If putting together this book wasn’t enough, we will add 2 Core Worlds Building Sprues into Strike Team, rounding you up to the contents of two full Battlezones!
This will be an incredible milestone - and we've got loads more planned if we get past here!
I'll admit, I'm a bit disappointed with this update.
It probably is the 'smart' thing to do in order to get people already committed to pledge more, but none of those really excite me. Especially given some of the 'Concept to Reality' issues Mantic's had of late.
More scenery in Striker is nice...but another 'exclusive' book?
And a Deadzone Ticket?
Hopefully the rest of the world likes these things a lot!
Mantic Games wrote wrote:"In addition, if you pledge $750 or more during the course of the campaign we will include a copy of the Deadzone: Collector’s Edition free with your pledge!"
That's £500... And I'm almost considering it. Almost.
My guess is they're holding things off "fancy" things for WP instead of dumping it into DZ. I can understand it, even if I would drop a ton of money on basic Enforcers in hard plastic.
I'll be dropping enough as it is, so their absence doesn't bother me nearly as much as it might have once. Also, happy at the prospect of having a ton of battlezones once we hit 1mil...
^ Probably upgrading to Assault, the people that got in on the first 30 minutes of this were pretty hardcore mantic fans to start with, stands to reason that they'd want to upgrade.. I'd have done it myself if I had the funds.
Had a proper look at my pledge after the last update and I have increased my pledge by $2 as a result - +$52 for the characters (provided they all unlock) -$50 for 2 Battle zones removed now that Strike team gets a full 2 Battlezones (I still have money in for the 8 Battlezone set) so no real gain to Mantic from that set of SGs from me anyway - well I'd have pulled the $50 for the extra 2 Battlezones anyway so they at least stopped that.
EDIT: Ah I see the 6 characters can be bought for $45 for all 6 make that -$5 then
Alpharius wrote: This last update should have had light vehicles in it for purchase, not shadowed characters.
Actually, we got the light vehicles in the bundles - kinda. Asterians and FF's got vehicles, while the Orx got a weapon platform (that was originally described as a light vehicle).
I agree that they're probably holding off on other vehicles so they can release them for Warpath proper, and I'm okay with that. You don't want too much model creep in a game this size.
That said, I'd love some more FF bikers. It's like Squats mugged some Space Marines then upgraded their bikes to make them look kewler.
While the Ironman pose is great, hopefully I'm not alone in chuckling at the "Shatnerton" reference in Kish's backstory. Oddly, that makes me want to add her...
Loving the $1M stretch. Upgrade to 2 battlezones is win, as I'm in for 3 strike teams that adds up to a lot. Since I'm in for 3 strike teams (plus other stuff) I get the hardcover book free. Happy chappy!
Edit: Kish looks really nice for Plague. I was considering selling them off, but they look really good with the additions.
Strike = 142
5 Mats = 90
4 Battlezones - 1 Core, 1 Fort, 2 Damaged = 95
Dual Scenery Pack - Military and Warehouse = 65
Ast/FF Starters = 50
3 Boosters + 3 Free - 1 of each = 150
AI Deck = 8
So that should be $600 if I'm seeing everything straight. The Calc isn't up to date, otherwise I would use that. I'm going to get either a second Enforcer or Reb with Strike.
I can wait until closer to the end to up my pledge by $50 or more depending on what they throw down.
Wait, I thought we already had the equivalent of two battlezones with Strike? Or are we getting more bonus sprues? Ergh, it would be helpful if they didnt delete all the graphics...
Mantic have just published background stating that the galaxy is filled with brothels full of sexy fish people.
$975,000 – Kish, Plague Named Character
The exotic and sensual Sphyr have graced the pleasure planets and entertainment centres of Corporation worlds for generations. Nexus Psi was no different.
Kish was only unusual in that she had dreams of a better time, a distant and long-lost time, when her people had been their own masters and their rituals and traditions were still intact. She had avoided the most degrading of duties and merely stood in her traditional garb as an exotic curiosity to greet visitors to the convention hall and casinos of Lower Tiberia. Still, she had her ancestral shu-lith-nu and she had her pride – a pride that got her into a great deal of trouble, though never as much trouble as the Plague.
The fight against the mutant hordes had been fierce, but there were too many of them to resist for long. At first she assumed that she had died, then it seemed more as if she had been transported to some other realm. Perhaps she had been chosen – yes, that was it. Her faith in the old ways was to be tested. She was to face a trial by combat that would risk not only her life, but also her immortal soul itself. She could not fail.
At least, that’s what the unfortunate Plague victim Kish thinks is happening. The damaged and mutant remains of her once-proud mind muddle her proud dreams and her bleak reality into a strange mix of fantasy and fact. Her battles against the ancient foes of her race play out once more in her crazed mind as she slaughters the few surviving citizens of the shattered planet and fights with unbridled fury against anyone who crosses her path in an effort to cleanse her spirit and be at one with her gods.
Love it, this is the kind of awesome background I want to see!
DaveC wrote: Had a proper look at my pledge after the last update and I have increased my pledge by $2 as a result - +$52 for the characters (provided they all unlock) -$50 for 2 Battle zones removed now that Strike team gets a full 2 Battlezones (I still have money in for the 8 Battlezone set) so no real gain to Mantic from that set of SGs from me anyway - well I'd have pulled the $50 for the extra 2 Battlezones anyway so they at least stopped that.
EDIT: Ah I see the 6 characters can be bought for $45 for all 6 make that -$5 then
This is really what they are gonna see a lot of. Not the wisest goals at this stage really. Unless lots of people spring out of no where to sign up, or Recon pledges upgrade (not too many to upgrade at this point) this may really slow down the final hour rather then rev it up.
I think I could never buy another model and still not finish what I have. 
And with game modes specifically for them and such, 80 models for $45 is a pretty good deal.
