^ The final models for the medic and riot shield guys are going to look pretty much exactly like their 3d renders. All the other enforcers have done so far.
Glad to see this surface. I'm not sure if I'll dive in myself since I have plenty of miniatures already (I really am mostly in this for the terrain,) but it's nice to see other people get what they want. It'll probably just make the stuff I *do* want that much better (plus, eh, by the time the second wave survey goes out I'll probably have $50 to toss at a BOGOF.)
I'm probably better off waiting to see the medic and recon enforcer guys in the wild (along with two other figs from different factions I like). If they were coming out quicker, it might be a different story though.
That's the difference with renders. That *is* the model.
This is much, much better. My pledge staying in at it's level and possibly rising is much more likely now. Kudos Mantic. Especially using digital renders so we know what the models will look like instead of concept art which scares me.
Alright I think I've got the booster thing figured out.
If you look at the 50 dollar bundle, it says it includes 3 boosters- two faction boosters, one specialist booster.
Those boosters of four or five figures are what I'm assuming are 20 dollars each. So in effect you're paying $50 for $60 worth of figures, plus getting another bundle on top of that if I'm reading it correctly.
It's a stacked deal, and the end result is that it's actually better than BOGOF... more like a 60% discount than a 50% one.
$20 = 1 booster
$50 = 3 boosters (saving $10)... and then there's the BOGOF on top which takes you to:
$50 = 6 boosters (saving $70)
$100 gets you $240 worth of minis.
And to put any worries about eventual RRP to rest, $20/£12 for 5 minis sounds about right for the retail release for these things when you consider that Dreadball team boxes are $25/£15 for 8 minis.
I'll admit to a short attention span here and I hope someone can help me.
I've got strike team plus free FF and paying for Asterians plus $10 shipping. How much do I need to spend to get one each of the boosters/specialists for each faction?
Thanks.
I can't believe I'm considering is seeing as how they burned me with the BoGo in KOW. Ah we'll, addicted to plastic crack and want a complete game...
I'm probably better off waiting to see the medic and recon enforcer guys in the wild (along with two other figs from different factions I like). If they were coming out quicker, it might be a different story though.
That's the difference with renders. That *is* the model.
Yeah, this is one of my favourite developments in the wider hobby, the widespread use of digital sculpting is great (especially for very mechanical units). This is what made pumping nearly $600 in to Warzone so easy, because they showed off renders and enough finished models to show you how renders translated in to resin (very, very well). This is why I'm excited for the FF's with the rumour that they will get the digital treatment as well.
If Forge Fathers get one of these boosters down the line, I can't promise I wont go crazy and make my way across the pond to actually throw money at Mantic staff directly. Residents of the UK, you have been warned!
I'm probably better off waiting to see the medic and recon enforcer guys in the wild (along with two other figs from different factions I like). If they were coming out quicker, it might be a different story though.
That's the difference with renders. That *is* the model.
Unless they have a vent in the mold for the plastic to be injected right into their face or some other part with lots of detail to be obliterated... or the model is twisted off the sprue instead of snipped... both of which apparently happened to some people's models in Dreadball. Or they suddenly decide 6 months from now that all medics get a grecian style mohawk on their helms and a spear tool instead of the one on their arm like how the concepts for cat riders and tiny legged trolls in King of War changed. I really like the design as is but the only way I can be sure of paying for that given Mantic's history is to wait until its out.
agnosto wrote: I'll admit to a short attention span here and I hope someone can help me.
I've got strike team plus free FF and paying for Asterians plus $10 shipping. How much do I need to spend to get one each of the boosters/specialists for each faction?
Thanks.
I can't believe I'm considering is seeing as how they burned me with the BoGo in KOW. Ah we'll, addicted to plastic crack and want a complete game...
Alright, first off, that Asterian starter is running you $35, so you don't need to add the $10 shipping for Wave 2 anymore (a relatively recent change). That said, since you already have $45 down you may think of grabbing the EU Pack with Asterians and FF (and then grab whatever you want for your free starter).
To get all of the boosters you will either spend $80 ($20 for each single booster) or $100 ($50 twice for buy-one-get-one booster bundles, which contain a lot more stuff).
So $150 for the initial pledge, $80-100 for boosters (I recommend the latter), and $35 for the Asterian starter (though bumping up to $50 for Asterians and FF's may work better for you considering you are basically already down for $45 for the Asterian booster as of now).
agnosto wrote: I'll admit to a short attention span here and I hope someone can help me.
I've got strike team plus free FF and paying for Asterians plus $10 shipping. How much do I need to spend to get one each of the boosters/specialists for each faction?
Thanks.
I can't believe I'm considering is seeing as how they burned me with the BoGo in KOW. Ah we'll, addicted to plastic crack and want a complete game...
First off, you don't need to pay the $10 shipping, they changed that so any pledge with $20+ of any add-ons gets it free.
Secondly, $100 gets you the lot. 2 booster bundles for $50 each + 2 free.
Mwahahaha, I have caught up with the last page of this thread! Where is my sttretch goal reward?
I identify with the quote below.
Extremely unimpressed with restic, both my project pandora models and especially dreadball. Really they were fiddly, a sod to clean, had worthless extra parts (yes extra parts if there is wide interchangeability, no if there is only one possible pose) and all in all get to sit half completed while I use bloodbowl models instead. I look at my $35 Impact bloodbowl spun resin teams and I cry tears of frustration at what might have been.
So deadzone. I like Jakes games. So I got a $140 early bird. But I can't bring myself to risk on the models again. Plastic terrain, yes I will try it not least because I know the sculpter (who is doing his own plastics crowdfunder and doing new sprue moulds for less than £3000...), mat cool, rules nice, restic models no way in hell. I know others who went for dreadball who won't touch Mantic restics again and refuse to back this. On the plus side this is going to be really easy to proxy models for.
But - plastic! Bring them out in plastic. Yea gods I would go in with a vengeance for some good sci fi plastics and I largely gave up on 28mm 20 years ago bar stuff like bloodbowl. I would pay more per model to lose the restic and get plastic. I would actually want the models for a start...
Alpharius wrote: Mantic is at a bit of a crossroads with Deadzone, at least for me.
Kings of War is suffering from a bad transition from concept art to actual miniatures.
Dreadball suffered from some really bad quality Restic miniatures making it out into the wild.
Deadzone has already had one misstep in terms of concept art to miniature in the Orx Marauder figures.
Now, there's not much faulting Mantic's customer service in terms of trying to accommodate people that want to switch things up if they don't like the look of miniatures that previously only existed as art, or in replacing defective casts, but...
IF there are similar problems with Deadzone, I'll pretty much be done with Mantic - and certainly won't support Warpath when it is announced/Kickstartered/released.
Which would be a shame, as Mantic has a golden opportunity to really grab some market share now...
I'm probably better off waiting to see the medic and recon enforcer guys in the wild (along with two other figs from different factions I like). If they were coming out quicker, it might be a different story though.
That's the difference with renders. That *is* the model.
Not actually true.
Both the mould construction and the casting material have an impact on how closely the final model resembles the render, as does the detailing on the render itself... final models are often much less detailed than the render due to material shrinkage, or whatever printing process is used not being a high enough resolution. They can also wind up less chunky, also due to shrinkage.
A render shows you what they want the miniature to look like. It's no guarantee that the final miniature will be as good. Nor does the showing of a render mean that the miniature is even castable as presented...
I'm probably better off waiting to see the medic and recon enforcer guys in the wild (along with two other figs from different factions I like). If they were coming out quicker, it might be a different story though.
That's the difference with renders. That *is* the model.
Not actually true.
Both the mould construction and the casting material have an impact on how closely the final model resembles the render, as does the detailing on the render itself... final models are often much less detailed than the render due to material shrinkage, or whatever printing process is used not being a high enough resolution. They can also wind up less chunky, also due to shrinkage.
A render shows you what they want the miniature to look like. It's no guarantee that the final miniature will be as good. Nor does the showing of a render mean that the miniature is even castable as presented...
Indeed. See my previous post with examples of actual mantic issues from both the production level and purposeful design changes made by management well after the crowdfunding ended. I love the medic enforcer render.. but I don't have much confidence that I'd eventually receive that exact model almost a year (!) from now with all the growing pains Mantic has had of late.
After doing a bit of fiddling with my pledge, it looks like I can drop some of the specialists I had pledged for and with a bit of extra cash, I'll be able to take part in the BOGO deal. Awesome! Hell, for $23 more dollars, I'll actually be getting a ton more figures for my money.
I'm glad to finally see that Enforcer with the Power Fist. They've been teasing us with him since nearly the beginning of this. That medic also looks really cool. I don't recall ever seeing such a badass looking medic mini before. And whoever mentioned him looking like Ratchet, that is actually a great idea for a paintjob for him! The only downside is that it means I'll have to practice painting white.
I'm probably better off waiting to see the medic and recon enforcer guys in the wild (along with two other figs from different factions I like). If they were coming out quicker, it might be a different story though.
That's the difference with renders. That *is* the model.
Unless they have a vent in the mold for the plastic to be injected right into their face or some other part with lots of detail to be obliterated... or the model is twisted off the sprue instead of snipped... both of which apparently happened to some people's models in Dreadball. Or they suddenly decide 6 months from now that all medics get a grecian style mohawk on their helms and a spear tool instead of the one on their arm like how the concepts for cat riders and tiny legged trolls in King of War changed. I really like the design as is but the only way I can be sure of paying for that given Mantic's history is to wait until its out.
I'm not sure of what model had an injection point on detail, could you please provide the example? There closest I can think of was the Z'zor had one on the side of the face that was a right bastich to get off, but not on detail. Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention though.
The twist-instead-of-snipped thing is (hopefully) a problem at their supplier that yes, they need to straighten out. However, that has nothing to do with the accuracy of a digital sculpt going from computer to model.
The two KoW models you reference were sculpted in the traditional method AFAIK, not as 3D sculpts so I'm not sure how they're relevant to the discussion about Mantic's ability to produce them as shown at this point. The problem Mantic appears to have with translation is concept art to a traditional sculpt (when not using Remy at least); not with their 3D sculpts.
The DreadBall robots look like what was shown in the render phase, so it would follow the Enforcers will follow along those lines. Will it be exactly as detailed as the renders? Probably not for the reasons insaniak lays out, but it won't be a wholesale cathorse-ing of the concept. I would venture to say what you see in a 3D render will end up being 90% of what you get in terms of model. The things that insaniak mentions as pitfalls are typically known by professionals and accounted for, it's just a matter of what the factory can execute.
These additions are very interesting to me, but I don't know that they made a course of action on pledging any clearer.
Just an FYI, I contacted Mantic via the Kickstarter message/PM to let them know I still wasn't happy with the Orx (the silly grins and all), and asked if we were stuck with the dancing sniper and asked about the orx being multi-piece to make converting easier and I got this reply:
Mantic Rep Chris wrote: we will be making some other minor adjustments based on feedback. They are actually based on the same design as the DreadBall Guard, maybe with some paint on they'll bring that sense of viciousness back.
1) We're undecided on the running away Goblin sniper yet.
2) All of them will be multi-piece. I've asked the studio to see if they can make it so the arms are interchangeable. We'll see what happened!
Regardless they should be easily convertible
Thanks,
Chris!
I was glad to get an answer, not too happy that a coat of paint is the solution to mean looking killing machines vice happy silly orks. I do hope they ditch the dancing sniper. Honestly a 'running away' (which is a kind way of saying dancing) figure in a small unit game seems silly. I want action poses. If I need to show a fig as morale broke/retreating/routing I'll use a marker or mark the roster...
If they can pull off interchangeable arms it will pretty cool.
I think the jumping in victory, or dancing, or running, or whatever you may want to call him, goblin sniper was one of the really characterful sculpts.
The EU starters could still use a bit of love, but they are looking pretty good now. Hopefully they see a bit more before the end, but those boosters should be the priority once $700k hits, because they will be what grab a lot of cash in the closing days.
Here's hoping that they can fit all four main faction boosters in along side some EU upgrades (and maybe one or two more Strike Team freebies).
That's not a rumor, my good man, it is stone-cold fact. I emailed Mantic, and the Forge Fathers Forge Guard WILL be digitally sculpted. (I'm assuming the Brokkrs will not.)
That is, sadly, enough to get me interested in that faction too. Need to figure out something to cut so I can save some money!
The EU starters could still use a bit of love, but they are looking pretty good now. Hopefully they see a bit more before the end, but those boosters should be the priority once $700k hits, because they will be what grab a lot of cash in the closing days.
Here's hoping that they can fit all four main faction boosters in along side some EU upgrades (and maybe one or two more Strike Team freebies).
I don't think there's any doubt that all 6 factions will get the 'BOGO' Booster treatment before it is all said and done.
And I think we'll see 'light vehicles' and walkers/mechs before then too.
Well, after giving it some further thought, I decided to opt out of this Kickstarter. Since right when the KoW starter began I've been waiting for the sci-fi one and now that it's here, I'm just not interested in getting another huge dump of miniatures at once. I think I'm going to buy a digital camera instead and start actually taking pictures of the miniatures I'm painting.
The terrain is awesome, the rules are heading in the right direction and I like most of the miniatures, but I think I'm going to wait until the stuff is actually released and see how it all turns out.
I thought after how KoW was turning out they were going to stay away from using the buy-one-get-one-free terminology... I certainly would prefer that they didn't use it.
That said, those enforcer renders are pretty amazing!
RiTides wrote: I thought after how KoW was turning out they were going to stay away from using the buy-one-get-one-free terminology... I certainly would prefer that they didn't use it.
That said, those enforcer renders are pretty amazing!
But...you're not even in on this one are you?
You can't even "Scipio" us on this one!
Is pulling a nonexistent pledge now known as "RiTiding"?!?
Alph, as that was only my second post in this thread in over 2 weeks, I think you should respond to my point rather than the fact that I made it
The term buy-one-get-one-free caused quite a kerfuffle with the Kings of War campaign, and the enforcer renders look really sweet! Those are the points in my above post... so again, I would appreciate your responding to that instead of what you seem to be responding to which is not what I posted at all! Cheers
BobtheInquisitor wrote: There is no way those orx are based on the same design as the Dreadball guards. Their faces are completely different shapes.
The faces are essentially the same as the Fantasy orcs. I prefer those to the more orthognathous GW-style Orks, if for no other reason that because I have so many of those already.
Azazel, good show way to embrace it / take it in stride / etc
I'm actually surprised how much the orx bothered folks... I didn't really have any strong feelings about them, although that might be damning with faint praise... unlike the RBG orcs which I really love, I just wish they weren't so expensive!
RiTides wrote: I thought after how KoW was turning out they were going to stay away from using the buy-one-get-one-free terminology... I certainly would prefer that they didn't use it.
That said, those enforcer renders are pretty amazing!
They're pretty well insulated on this one. Will the $20 bundles be available regularly? Maybe. Even so, will they be available in discounted bundles for those particular 3 packs? Likely not, so BOGO of an otherwise unavailable package?
Further, I think Mantic has a much more accurate impression of what they'll charge for those packs in the future (eg, restic enforcer specialists are a known quantity to Mantic and are already 3d sculpted, whereas the ogres were the first monstrous infantry they did).
^ Correct, these are actually closer to a 60% discount than a 50% one due to 3-pack and then BOGOF on top of it, so Mantic are insulating themselves a little in case people want to complain about them lowering their prices.
$20/£12 for a booster pack of 5 sounds about right, and is in-line with the Dreadball pricing for similar "booster packs" of minis, like the Cheerleaders (which are $20 for a pack of 4).
I just really hope that the arms and guns all come together easily. Want to love the (huge) number of Enforcers I already picked up, but they're nearly impossible to get put together.
Azazelx wrote: The timing of this KS coinciding with the end of pledges for the KoWKS has undoubtedly cannibalised a good amount of pledge money, and that's without getting into people's individual issues with the KoW models. To explain - If you have an (extra?) $100 or so to spend, do you buy that heavily-discounted KoW ogre army, or double down on DZ Factions and terrain? If you want both badly, you'll buy the ogres since the end date is now and Pledge Manager the DZ extras later - which takes away from the potential DZ KS total.
I wonder if that hasn't been their plan all along.
If they can transfer, say, 30% or more of a potentially ~$1.5mil KS's funds out of Kickstarter.com's hands and into the pledge manager, they can reap the rewards of a hugely successful kickstarter without overstretching themselves with stretch goals beyond their means or paying Kickstarter as large of a chunk.
While this Kickstarter is really good value for money, the initial 'wow' factor for me has worn off, and I'm finding it very hard to get excited about it.
Good on Mantic for pushing the value-add envelop, though.
Not need to add shipping? I'm OS and not in America/UK/Canadia. It says to add $5 for that (or $10 or $15 for the really big pledges, which I'm not getting).
I have more than enough urban terrain, especially with those fancy-pants tiles coming from the last KS I was in. I wanted to stay small with this one because, no matter my love for the leader of Team Sexy, I don't have a great deal of interest in Deadzone as a game, but I do for some of the miniatures (where they will find use in Dark Heresy and other 40KRPGs).
Plus I need organic terrain, so come bonus time the fine folks at GF9 will be getting a visit from the Credit Card Fairy.
That's what I said too, its logical they could not find somebody to engrave faction logos for them since custom D8's are really rare to find, I personally cannot remember any.
PsychoticStorm wrote: That's what I said too, its logical they could not find somebody to engrave faction logos for them since custom D8's are really rare to find, I personally cannot remember any.
Yeah... so they just add a bunch of regular dice. Kinda underwhelming is what I said. I'd have thought we'd be through with the dice/hobby-store/Army-Painter/basing-flock stuffing by now.
Would like to add more, but as others have mentioned, the KoW survey is really juicy so a lot of money is going into that one (delivery next month rather than next year appeals to my sense of "gimme now!" too. :p).
I will probably try to find another $150 or so for survey time, definitely want more terrain and more forgefathers!
Coloured dice are a pretty easy thing to add to a KS as an optional add-on. Cheap enough to buy in bulk from Chessex, etc, and so good for a bit of sell-through profit since some people will always pick some up. Completely optional, so not worth stressing about.
Would like to add more, but as others have mentioned, the KoW survey is really juicy so a lot of money is going into that one (delivery next month rather than next year appeals to my sense of "gimme now!" too. :p).
I will probably try to find another $150 or so for survey time, definitely want more terrain and more forgefathers!
Do you know if the Forgefathers are going to be to scale with the original modified-dwarf models (and I assume, the rest of the existing Warpath line) or the smaller DreadBall ones?
^ Not sure, but *probably* the Dreadball ones, which are the same size as the restic Warpath models, which are smaller than the hard plastic Warpath models.
RiTides wrote:Alph, as that was only my second post in this thread in over 2 weeks, I think you should respond to my point rather than the fact that I made it
The term buy-one-get-one-free caused quite a kerfuffle with the Kings of War campaign, and the enforcer renders look really sweet! Those are the points in my above post... so again, I would appreciate your responding to that instead of what you seem to be responding to which is not what I posted at all! Cheers
It really looks to be BOGO this time, so, there is really not much else to say, or overreact to...
Azazelx wrote:I'm going to pull my pledge!
OK guys, happy now? Have I distracted you effectively?
Wait... question... are my eyes deceiving me, or is Dreadball NOT at 28mm scale? Is Deadzone going to be Dreadball styled?
I know the idea is "heroic" proportions alter things versus a more realistic style, but even that can't account for how teeny my Dreadball guys seem next to every other 28mm game's minis, which I own.
I'm hoping people might be able to help me out on this.
I'm currently pledged at the $150 level and have pledged another $10 so that I can get my free extra starter (Asterians please!).
Now, my plan would be to get a booster (esp at buy one get one free). Am I right in thinking I only need to pledge another $10 for this?
My thinking, is that the extra $10 would take me up to a total add on pledge of $20 meaning that I wouldn't have to add the extra postage to claim my free asterian starter.
I might grab a dice bundle simply because it's hard to find sets of D8s. D6s and D10s are easy, as are full polyhedral sets, but I'm not sure where I'd get a block of D8s from. Any ideas?
^ Seriously, I'd feel a lot better about losing to you on the jampilify campaign if you'd at least get some games in with the sweet resin prizes.
You can pledge via paypal, send Mantic a message asking if you can make a strike team pledge via paypal for now, and they'll sort it out for you.
They've done this before on previous campaigns, and they count it towards the total too, which has resulted in some stretch goals being unlocked that didn't quite get unlocked via the KS total.
That picture couldn't come at a better time So I'm transferring some funds to my bank account that is "paying" for the KS when it finishes Sunday. So I'm looking at Strike team (140 EB). So I have all of that above, I'll probably pick up Forge Fathers (maybe Asterians lol) I'm looking at adding in 50 dollars for the BOGO Pack to grab more enforcers and rebels, are there any "addons" besides terrain addons that I have missed model wise?
I know I'm late to the game here but I'm being tempted by the scenery pledge. I'm going to look through some of this thread for details but can anyone tell me if there's a breakdown of what you actually get in the 4 battle zone sprues and how much scenery they'll make up?
It looks like 1 battle zone gives a fairly sparse 2x2 area?
Herzlos wrote: I know I'm late to the game here but I'm being tempted by the scenery pledge. I'm going to look through some of this thread for details but can anyone tell me if there's a breakdown of what you actually get in the 4 battle zone sprues and how much scenery they'll make up?
It looks like 1 battle zone gives a fairly sparse 2x2 area?
I wish we could add a poll about most anticipated army. I would guess Rebs on top with Marauders at the bottom, but I would be curious to see the numbers.
Dangerous Encounter
Update #66 · May 29, 2013 · comment
And that’s Wrath, the Judwan assassin, included free into game pledges of Recon ($100 and Early Bird) and up. Get in!
With this stretch goal smashed, we’ve unlocked a new goal - you asked for it, so here it is!
$705,000 – Deadzone Acrylic Counter Set
If we hit this goal, we will be able to tool a set of Deadzone Acrylic Counters!
This set will include:
- 12 Enraged Counters (Grey)
- 6 Berserk Counters (Black)
- 6 Injured Counters (Red)
- 6 Suppressed Counters (Blue)
- 6 Overwatch Counters (Green)
These counters are made of durable acylic ready for the vigours of gaming. They're now available to add-on to your pledge:
But that's not the only treat we've got for you...
Gameplay Video - Turn 1
James and I sat down to film a game using the Beta rules over the weekend - and jolly good fun it was too!
The Beta incorporates your feedback based on the Alpha, which is why we've not done one of these yet, but the Core Mechanics are unlikely to change so we produced this little video for you to see a game in action.
Please note that the components in the video are not final - the mat will have square edges and the cards and counters will have proper artwork.
This is turn 1 of 3 - look out for turn 2, turn 3 and the explosions and general abuse of grenades they contain coming soon!
Thanks for your patience whilst we put this together - please leave us your comments below!
And Finally
Over on the Mantic Blog we've posted up the rules for using The Plague models in our mass combat sci-fi game Warpath - a unit based game for large battles!
Deadzone is set in the same universe as Warpath and the models are fully compatible.
The Hard Plastic Zombies feature interchangeable components.
Hmmm - $20 for the counters going to have to give that some thought or see if I can find generic ones cheaper or stick with the card counters it's the sort of thing that should have been an early stretch goal to upgrade all box sets but set the goal larger $25k or so to cover the cost.
I'm wondering whether those tokens might be added for free at a certain pledge level at some point? (didn't that happen for DB?)
Another question - regarding the zombies, from Jake's comments it might be worthwhile getting of box of them just to be wandering around doing stuff while the 2 factions are fighting?
Can't believe I am considering getting more sci-fi zombies after just finishing painting about 30 of the Sedition Wars ones
I'm waiting to find out what is in the other BOGO specialist sets. I'm not to keen on just having one set unlocked for that. If you aren't an Enforcers player (or at least mainly), it isn't all that helpful.
Pacific wrote: I'm wondering whether those tokens might be added for free at a certain pledge level at some point? (didn't that happen for DB?)
Yeah, they were free with DB (at least for the Striker pledge)
If they want to make them free later, it would seem odd to add them for a price now. Though people could re-purpose their pledges, it would still strike me as throwing in unnecessary complications.
Can we expect to see renders of the other terrain modules any time soon? I just got a little windfall and I'm tempted to up my $95 terrain pledge to $285.
The dreadball acrylic counters were first mentioned as a bought option at about $120K,
I can't see when the free KS exclusive set were added into striker as a lot of the old graphics have disappeared from the KS site but I don't think it was much beyond that (?)
I can't see when the free KS exclusive set were added into striker as a lot of the old graphics have disappeared from the KS site but I don't think it was much beyond that (?)
I'd like the counters, but for 20 I'd rather spend a bit more and grab an extra battlezone, at least at this point in time. They want to toss in some free counters at a later point for strike level and up, cool. For now, I'll wait and see how everything plays out before I worry about it.
And some more pics of the hard plastic zombie designs, showing all the different pieces that will be on the sprue:
This is promising that they are finally getting to the planning of concept art matching design *AND* pose. One of the problems is the concept art not only waivers from the design, but then gets a terrible pose. I really feel like the standard for other companies has been to concept art the pose as well and then the sculptor has zero latitude and has to implement exactly what the art shows. It makes a better product (IMHO) so if they are going to begin showing concepts with poses and mold breakdown in place, they can remove that worry from sculptors who seem weak on those fronts.
Alpharius wrote: And I think we basically get the equivalent of 2 Battlezones in Strike Team?
1.5 currently; each BattleZone is 4 building sprues while Strike team is presently 6.
Squig has mentioned that they do want to get Strike Team to 2 BattleZones, but not knowing what stretch goal that is I'm not sure I'd bank on that at this point in time.
might add another 50 for the boosters for enforcers and rebels, but i might just pledge that later after this has ended so i have more time to get some extra cash.
quick heads up - There are 3 Recon early birds up for grabs at the moment if anyone is on the fence and fancies getting in at a small $90 investment for quite a lot of stuff.
Alpharius wrote: So close to the $675 goal... but I still think they'll need to give us visibility on more stretch goals to help push this one further, faster!
I know I am wanting to see some more. I want to do the BOGO, but not if it is just two Enforcers expansions.
scarletsquig wrote: quick heads up - There are 3 Recon early birds up for grabs at the moment if anyone is on the fence and fancies getting in at a small $90 investment for quite a lot of stuff.
I haven't had to deal with it much before, as usually it is just selecting a tier and that is it. In this case I would just up the pledge to 245 and then tell the friendly machine that it is for both the Strike Team and Urban Battlefield early bird?
@Ahtman - Early Bird Urban Battlefield is also available as the $95 "Urban Battle" add-on which costs exactly the same amount and has exactly the same contents.
So, yep, select Strike Team, and pledge $245 and you're all set!
The "Early Bird" pledge levels for terrain are simply a method of offering free shipping (normally costs an extra $5 if you're just selecting add-ons and aren't picking a pledge level) to a certain amount of terrain-only backers.
Was anyone else a bit underwhelmed by the game play video.? Feels awfully...bland. I haven't gone thru the beta rules completely. Are they not using some features?
cincydooley wrote: Was anyone else a bit underwhelmed by the game play video.? Feels awfully...bland. I haven't gone thru the beta rules completely. Are they not using some features?
As a reminder for everyone, Strike Team now contains 74 miniatures, 9 terrain sprues, premium mat and other stuff... you currently get ~$384 of stuff for $150.
And we know that Mantic wants to add 4 more mercs and 2 more terrain sprues at least to Strike Team, so here's hoping this can get at least another $200k to boost the swag pile even further!
Just read thru the beta rules. In the 1st game play video they really don't get I to any of the special actions (aim, overwatch) so it seems a bit simplistic.
I'm totally disinterested in the counters, I'm glad they added them because so many people were after some, but I'll stick with card until I can devise some kind of toggleable multi-counters of doooom.
The video wasn't bad. It was extremely clear with the stand in cards, and explanation. It wasn't a whole lot to see, but it would take a fair bit of editing to make it as clear as it was. I'm sure we'll get to see some fun grenading in the next turn or so.
The warpath army is pretty interesting. The first half looks a lot like the corporation (well its warpath, most of the basic guys are reasonably similar in disposition and options but hey) with a melee friendly option. Its got typical unit options and upgrades, even has weapon teams.
Once you get past the infantry core it starts to diverge a lot from the corporation list. The striders are the same except weapon options. The second gens are melee monsters for sure, crushing blow 3 and alot of attacks. Just watch out for heavy weapons as most things in WP dont have multiple wounds...
Zombies seem pretty solid, melee only but you get them at a good rate and they don't run off. Cheap to buy right now too.
The plague swarms and dogs are both quick engage/tie-up units which will help take out enemy ranged specialists.
The first gen is pretty nasty, and the plagued teraton is a beast at tough 6 (six wounds more or less) and 6 crushing blow making all but the strongest tanks pretty fair game.
Speaking of tanks, the heavy tanks (pounder, heavy drakkarim) look like a problem for this list with the strongest ranged AT being only pierce 5, and the teraton having CB 6 but having to run up to the tank. I'm not sure its a point of critical imbalance, the veer-myn have to make do with some seriously short ranged AT themselves.
The rest of their gear is pretty standard, HMG lots of shot, GL looks neat... Cleaver has the lowest CB (4) of the heavy melee weapons but its also the cheapest across the lists (15pts).
The other thing I noticed is there are no saturation weapons for the plague, guess they didn't want anyone accidentally flaming up their own lines or some such.
TLDR? List looks pretty ok. Fighty troops, fast stuff, big monsters, light on anti tank.
It looks like the faction starter has 318 points or so of stuff, but you can't use it all without some extra 3rd gens (or converted zombies maybe?). The Big Booster Bundle is something like 500-550 points, but you need two BBB's to get enough models to field proper units of plague swarms and weapon teams. Second BBB gets you 6 dogs so one unit and a spare model.
With the cheapness of the zombie box and potentially subbing in some plague zombies (with proper weapons of course) into your 3rd gen squads, it won't take much to get a proper plague WP army going!
^ Should be quite easy to take the corporation trooper zombies and use those as counts-as "plague troopers" in the list to bump up the solid units... they're only armed with a single pistol in the rules anyway, so using the two more military-themed zombies off the sprue to represent the unit should do the trick (as well as being good filler for the plague warriors unit).
Hopefully the retail release will see everything released both as deadzone starter + booster packs *and* warpath unit boxes. That would be pretty sweet.
I love how this KS is doing a really good job of fleshing out Warpath.. they're getting all of the elite/ specialist units out of the way, but not producing models for the core infantry or vehicles (plague zombies excluded), so the Warpath Kickstarter can come along next year and make all that in hard plastic.
So, people who bought into deadzone this year will be well-prepared with all the elite units and terrain they'll need for Warpath next year. It's great how tightly linked the skirmish and mass battle games are here, all the minis are usable in both games, which adds some good "dual value" to them. I think the closest I ever got to that in warhammer was using my mordheim warband as an empire militia unit.
SS-Excellent With proper ordering of extra/enough zombies, one could make very easily differentiated warrior solid units to allow the use of all of those plagued teratons and extra 1st gens, while piling on some zombie mobs.
Seriously considering doubling up on the plague booster bundle in place of the marauders rather than get one of each... Since they can't have allies, if I wanna use these guys in warpath I'm gonna have to make sure they're well situated. Then its just a couple three zombie boxes to a right proper 2000 point list or so...
^ As for making lists, check out the battlescribe link in my sig... the plague army list file has already been created.
Here's a sample plague list I whipped up... this is what you get with 2x plague starters, +$50 double plague booster, +$45 for 60 plague zombies
Zombies are count-as plague warriors for the sake of this list (need the solid units to unlock all the teratons!), with a regular plague guy (or a machine gun guy) leading each of them. Alternatively, you could either not use the teratons, or have them count-as 2nd gens and use the zombies as zombies.
Well over 2000 points, with some minis spare (1st Gen, 1 plague dog, 1 weapons team, some 3rd gen specialists and 5 zombies):
Alrighty, using SS's rapidly uploaded plague alpha roster I have devised a 2000pt list using the least amount of boxes possible.
I'm a cheap skate and like hard plastic a bit more than restic, so I plan to convert plague zombies into plague warriors to pull this list off. There should be a few extra models (was hard to fit all of the HMG and GL into 2000 points and still meet all requirements).
2k WP Plague Alpha list: 1st gen x2 plagued teraton x4 plague trooper section(10) with hmg x2 plague warrior section(10) x4 2nd gen mutants(4) x3 (12 2nd gens however you wanna divide them) heavy weapon section mortar/missile(3) plague dogs(5) x2 Plague swarm(3)
I haven't gotten in too many warpath games so I dunno how that would play, but its a 2k list that you can make out of 2 faction starters 2 booster bundles a set of dogs and 2 boxes of zombies. If I've mathed that out correctly a 2k WP army for $155. DISCLAIMER: conversion required, making zombies into warriors/troopers will take a little work and will likely require some bitz not included in the aforementioned cost.
I wasn't even looking at the plague before this but if all I have to do is add 35 dollars in plague add-ons to my stupidly bloated pledge... May happen. As an afterthought, instead of getting the dog add-on, could just add in 3 grenade launchers to the warrior sections, was just trying to not have 3 "wasted" dogs, but it may be a better use of available models
EDIT: I just realized I was counting on 2x sprues of 5 zombies from assault pledge level. That may mean one would have to spend $165-170 for the above list unless there are enough extra 3rd gens laying around.
I remember when they said they were going to have a revolving 100k stretch list...Hasn't happened since day one but seriously, it's 3 days till the end, put up a few more stretchs to build excitement.
Zombicide was putting up batches of 4 goals at a time, and usually two of them were completed within a day of going up. Put up all the Booster packs and watch people put money into this. They'll know what they're getting and be more inclined to pledge more (I know I would).
I wouldn't be surprised if Mantic flooded the last day with purchasable add-ons. Oh, you weren't able to vulture the KS site all day? I guess you'll just have to add more when the pledge manager comes out...
I'm in for an early bird urban battlefield. Might up or drop it nearer the end depending on how much I can get for some old 40K stuff at a show before the KS closes.
I'll hopefully get enough for some battle mats as well
So a quick question, are the specialist booster single figures (skraw, enforcer with big gun, big mech marauder thing, 3rd gen with gl) available in first release in dec, or are they going to come in the second wave? Anyone know?
Once the boosters are updated, Mantic should really put out beta warpath lists for rebels (along with any new units for the other lists). I'm interested in seeing how much 2 starters + BOGO boosters for rebels would cover in an army list.
I got almost 2k of plague for 2 starters and 2 bongo bundles but I got an extra 500 or so points out of zombies so a guess is 1500ish although it could be less if all of the rebs specialists are cheap or something.
^ Awesome, I'm eyeing up doing the same but will wait to see what happens with Rebs first.
Also, news just in - The arms on the deadzone enforcer captain are *separate*, so you can change the post if you want, easily. He doesn't have to have the gun pointing downwards.
The cape is also optional, and there will be an enclosed head option included.
scarletsquig wrote: ^ Awesome, I'm eyeing up doing the same but will wait to see what happens with Rebs first.
Also, news just in - The arms on the deadzone enforcer captain are *separate*, so you can change the post if you want, easily. He doesn't have to have the gun pointing downwards.
The cape is also optional, and there will be an enclosed head option included.
So that removes one of my major reservations about that model; I really, really, really dislike the whole "go into combat without a helmet" aesthetic. I can tolerate it on aliens and poorly-equipped troops (where it's a different body/culture and not really by choice, respectively), but for a "regular" military force I always try to have fully-helmeted armies whenever possible.
It's looking like DZ has a pretty good chance of ending up in the #2 slot of my backer history...
scarletsquig wrote: ^ Awesome, I'm eyeing up doing the same but will wait to see what happens with Rebs first.
Also, news just in - The arms on the deadzone enforcer captain are *separate*, so you can change the post if you want, easily. He doesn't have to have the gun pointing downwards.
The cape is also optional, and there will be an enclosed head option included.
So that removes one of my major reservations about that model; I really, really, really dislike the whole "go into combat without a helmet" aesthetic. I can tolerate it on aliens and poorly-equipped troops (where it's a different body/culture and not really by choice, respectively), but for a "regular" military force I always try to have fully-helmeted armies whenever possible.
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Agreed. The only models I have that are bare headed for sci fi are my Space Wolves, and that's a completely fully choice.
Hmm. They really need to show off those boosters to get us up there. I really want to at least get all the specialist boosters, but I don't think I'm going to get there.
pretre wrote: Hmm. They really need to show off those boosters to get us up there. I really want to at least get all the specialist boosters, but I don't think I'm going to get there.
I agree. Only showing one of four boosters is hurting them. Not everyone is Enforcers, and, to me anyway, hiding and locking the faction I am interested makes me not want to invest more, not put more into it and hope that they will show/unlock my factions Booster.
Yes, much better. With the arms being posable that really does vastly improve things on that front.
I would like to see what's on offer in the other booster bundles as well; while I'm mainly going to be focusing on the Enforcers I'd still like to see if there's anything particularly cool in the wings.
Now, back to trying to do finger math to figure out the number of models and how that compares to the Battlescribe unit counts...
Ahh too many stretch goals.
Pledged for Strike team + $65 so far. Was going to get the scenery packs, but now they've pointed out they're Atenocitis stuff I'm less inclined to pick them up just because of the Kickstarter... and now the Spartan stuff looks good too.
So I could get some more terrain (the $95 terrain bundle) or some boosters - 1 booster for each faction for $50, or 3 each for 2 factions.
Also I need that Jellyfish, depending on the scale.
Now... how to explain this to the girlfriend...
Not to be overly critical (which means I will be, hah!) but... that version is so much better, how could they not have put that up with (or instead-of) the herp-derp one they put up initially?
Alpharius wrote: There's no way Mantic won't 'unveil' the remaining boosters by the time the 48 Hour notice hits.
To do otherwise would be foolish indeed!
There's several stretch-goals ahead anyhow.
No point really to unveil stuff that far in advance, other than confuse people who'd start backing away, only to potentially be told at the end that that particular stretch-goal hasn't been reached yet.
What Mantic would need is a Reaper/Dwarfen Forge-style "stretch-goal-map" to give a better visual guide to where it's at.
I was hesitant to believe it, but now I'm convinced. Mantic has to be intentionally throttling this kickstarter.
They pass a stretch goal, $15,000 ago and when we finally get an update, there's no new stretch goal and a teaser image we've already seen. All this with 3 days to go.
They must have over extended themselves on DB and need to keep this one more under control.
Alpharius wrote: There's no way Mantic won't 'unveil' the remaining boosters by the time the 48 Hour notice hits.
To do otherwise would be foolish indeed!
There's several stretch-goals ahead anyhow.
No point really to unveil stuff that far in advance, other than confuse people who'd start backing away, only to potentially be told at the end that that particular stretch-goal hasn't been reached yet.
What Mantic would need is a Reaper/Dwarfen Forge-style "stretch-goal-map" to give a better visual guide to where it's at.
Huh?
Isn't that basically what I was saying?
Anyway, I'm not sure what they'll do, given how they've been driving this bus to date...
As someone actively watching this from the beginning it feels like Mantic IS actively trying to keep down the potential of this Kickstarter. Which is sad but hey, maybe they just couldn't keep up with demand from the previous ones and didn't want it to go to crazy. This could easily have broken 1 million. As it is it's still possible but becoming less likely by the hour as they dont' update stretch goals and continue to put in things like rules stretches in the later portion of the kickstarter.
Oh well, I'm still currenly in for $300 but that's likely to drop to $165 and then I might add stuff on the pledge tracker thing afterwards.
Does someone have a scale pic of the Enforcers and a typical Eisenkorps trooper? I'm wondering if these would make decent not-SM when used with the amazing not-Guard.
I think people are seriously overestimating Mantic's ability to use subtle pushes to increase or decrease the rate at which pledges are made. I'm sure they're very clever guys, but thinking that they are actively throttling the amounts smacks of usual conspiracy-theory reaching. They put out a mini update because they are finalizing a big one that is going to drop sometime prior to Ronnie coming on. No need to attribute it to the fell intentions of the KS Illuminati trying to keep the pledge total down because they fear success.
Kickstarters aren't over till they're over, so starting the debriefing about how this one didn't do X or Y when we are over 72 hours away from the finish line is more than a little premature.
I'm finding the reaction to the mini update, put up mainly to acknowledge the $375k goal, a little bit weird. But people do tend to get emotional about their Kickstarter's around this time. They've said there will be a larger update today, but they needed to finalize some details and get it prepared. I'm sure if they had waited to just do that one, then everyone would be up in arms about how Mantic wasn't acknowledging the $375k goal.
The real magic happens on the last day (maybe even the second last as well) and we aren't there yet (though the pledges have started kicking up at least). So let's just sit back and relax a bit. Beer anyone?
I hope to see you online tonight in a couple of hours time.
Before then you'll have another update - with plenty more strech goals!! Seriously we are trying to tie together both a series of interesting stretch goals and enough visibility of goals to keep everything rolling.
Chris is currently writing the update for the next 2 or 3 goals past the ones we are chasing, and finalising the needs for the ones after that.
I told him to get this (mini) update out to acknowledge the achievement of hitting the multiplayer stretch - and then freeing him up to write the next update.
In the next few days we will be looking to bring onboard the new backers that will really lift the kickstarter on to new heights - and provide our current backers with more choice and freebies.
Right, I am going to leave Chris to write his update (I have stolen his machine!!) and will see you all online in about 1hour 40 minutes!!
Hopefully they stretches for the boosters aren't 20k each. If they're 15k each, that has three stretches that are pretty easy to cover up to $750k. Add in some freebies after that and it's a pretty reasonable span, even though almost all add-ons.
Ronin_eX wrote: No need to attribute it to the fell intentions of the KS Illuminati trying to keep the pledge total down because they fear success.
I'm not suggestion some devious conspiracy or fear of success. There is nothing wrong with a growing company knowing what they are capable of and controlling the flow of information to keep things from getting bigger than they can deal with.
Not telling people you are intentionally keeping a KS from getting too big isn't conspiratorial, it's just protecting your image. It may be necessary, but people would not view it well.
I'd rather it be kept to a level where they can deliver what they promise. I'm not upset or angry. I'm simply stating my opinion.
Completely agree with Mo'teef. I'm thinking that they had some cost overruns on previous KSs and wanted to control that by making this more manageable.
If we hit this goal, we will sculpt and tool the Plague Faction Booster – a new set of specialists aimed squarely at introducing more variety to your Plague squad.
The Faction Booster introduces the Plague Swarm and Zombieton PLUS some heavy firepower with the 2-man Plague Mortar team. We'll even add-in the 3rd Gen with Grenade Launcher for completeness.
Plague Mortar - Work in Progress Concept Art. Will come with 2 Crew.
Plague Swarm - Work in Progress Concept Art. Here are some examples:
Zombieton - Work in Progress Concept Art
You can add on the Plague Faction Booster for $20 or as part of the Plague Booster Bundle for $50. Of course, you can get the Bundle for FREE with our Buy One Get One Free Deal!
NEW $740,000 – Blaine, Mercenary
We attempted to get him on the DreadBall Kickstarter and we don’t think there’s any doubt that we’ll nail him for this campaign.
Blaine - Work In Progress Concept Art
Want to know more about Blaine? We'll unveil his background as we break through the next stretch goals.
To celebrate breaking through the DreadBall Kickstarter grand total, we will sculpt and tool Blaine, a hardcore Deadzone Mercenary. Gone are the days of playing DreadBall in the prison pitches, this escaped convict is on the loose and fighting for survival!
If we break this goal, we’ll include this Kickstarter Exclusive Miniatures into every game pledge of Recon ($100 and Early Bird) and up!
Have at it guys - as usual, comments below please. Let's get these stretch goals nailed!!
We attempted to get him on the DreadBall Kickstarter and we don’t think there’s any doubt that we’ll nail him for this campaign.
Blaine - Work In Progress Concept Art
Want to know more about Blaine? We'll unveil his background as we break through the next stretch goals.
To celebrate breaking through the DreadBall Kickstarter grand total, we will sculpt and tool Blaine, a hardcore Deadzone Mercenary. Gone are the days of playing DreadBall in the prison pitches, this escaped convict is on the loose and fighting for survival!
If we break this goal, we’ll include this Kickstarter Exclusive Miniatures into every game pledge of Recon ($100 and Early Bird) and up!
Have at it guys - as usual, comments below please. Let's get these stretch goals nailed!!
That's the 'pile of leaves' solved then!
Good to see Blaine back.
Characters is one of their strong-suit and this is one of their best (for all we know, that is):
It's the 21st Century, Buzzsaw, don't be so vitalist!
Zombies with guns isn't new. Sed Wars had them (although as part of them). Halo Evolved had 'em and I'm sure other people before that did them.
The infection has different levels - so some people can still use guns just like normal, others rely on ripping the hands from Space Marines Enforcers while smiling wryly.
I don't want Plague or Enforcer Boosters. I want Marauder and Rebel Boosters, and I don't want to feel like I have to squeeze more money into the Kickstarter just to get what Enforcers,and now Plague, are already getting.
Ahtman wrote: I don't want Plague or Enforcer Boosters. I want Marauder and Rebel Boosters, and I don't want to feel like I have to squeeze more money into the Kickstarter just to get what Enforcers,and now Plague, are already getting.
Well, at this rate, you'll see them if we hit about 800k. Let's hope for a good weekend.
Ahtman wrote: I don't want Plague or Enforcer Boosters. I want Marauder and Rebel Boosters, and I don't want to feel like I have to squeeze more money into the Kickstarter just to get what Enforcers,and now Plague, are already getting.
Ahtman wrote: I don't want Plague or Enforcer Boosters. I want Marauder and Rebel Boosters, and I don't want to feel like I have to squeeze more money into the Kickstarter just to get what Enforcers,and now Plague, are already getting.
They are already on the graphic. Jeez.
It's not like they're not coming.
They are only coming if they make stretch goals. If they don't make the stretch goals then Rebel and Marauder fans are ass out on the BOGO for their armies.
Ahtman wrote: They are only coming if they make stretch goals. If they don't make the stretch goals then Rebel and Marauder fans are ass out on the BOGO for their armies.
So go start spamming other forums to get people to pledge.
They are only coming if they make stretch goals. If they don't make the stretch goals then Rebel and Marauder fans are ass out on the BOGO for their armies.
Well. It's not like they've made the goals for Enforcers or Plague either.
Ahtman wrote: I don't want Plague or Enforcer Boosters. I want Marauder and Rebel Boosters, and I don't want to feel like I have to squeeze more money into the Kickstarter just to get what Enforcers,and now Plague, are already getting.
They are already on the graphic. Jeez.
It's not like they're not coming.
They are only coming if they make stretch goals. If they don't make the stretch goals then Rebel and Marauder fans are ass out on the BOGO for their armies.
Can't see them not making the goals to be honest. Did you see how much money came on board in the last weekend on the Dreadball KS?
Seems like we'll have to 'get through' the booster unlocks first:
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@ Ok Luke - let me ask, it certainly sounds fun! Would a psychotic hobgoblin throwing grenades go any way to scratching this itch?
@ Eric - yes, if we can get on a roll and we can get through these boosters in rapid time we can go back to the simple plan we had and roll out a big pile of knock-over stretches - before we bring out the crazy stuff again!!!
They look like mirror images of each other. If I go by this I would think that they will get 40kish on the last day, as Dreadball did on the first. Deadzone is front heavy whereas Dreadball seems to have got it on the back end.
Ahtman wrote: They look like mirror images of each other. If I go by this I would think that they will get 40kish on the last day, as Dreadball did on the first. Deadzone is front heavy whereas Dreadball seems to have got it on the back end.
I would say they are too different to be mirrors. Dreadball had a big bump the whole last week.
Unless, of course, they need the $30K to tool up for them, in which case, it is the very spirit and soul of wisdom!
$25,000. There's a mini $5k goal to add counters first. I get why they're doing it...4-5 models need to be tooled for each one, so it's probably not inaccurate.
Seems like they're making sure the boosters fit with the armylist too for the most part. 4 plague swarms is a legal option (though mortars are only an option in 3's, so you'll 'waste' one).
I want to add another 50$ but i'm waiting to see what else is in. so far it looks like i am going to get 2 -3 core zones, a landing platform. maybe swap out a core world for a defense line, but i dunno
Triszin wrote: I want to add another 50$ but i'm waiting to see what else is in. so far it looks like i am going to get 2 -3 core zones, a landing platform. maybe swap out a core world for a defense line, but i dunno
In a game with guns, zombies, rebels and enforcers? I'm going for battle-damaged tiles in my add-ons since the stuff that ships with Strike Team is already core. Nothing sillier than a battle zone where the bad guys massacre the innocent yet strive to respect property rights.
Cool, "who's that pokemon" is finally over with the leaves. Ill pledge when I get back home, 5 hundo at least and more if they get the reb booster cracked.
Triszin wrote: I want to add another 50$ but i'm waiting to see what else is in. so far it looks like i am going to get 2 -3 core zones, a landing platform. maybe swap out a core world for a defense line, but i dunno
In a game with guns, zombies, rebels and enforcers? I'm going for battle-damaged tiles in my add-ons since the stuff that ships with Strike Team is already core. Nothing sillier than a battle zone where the bad guys massacre the innocent yet strive to respect property rights.
I am a decent modeler and have half a 4x4 section of destroyed city terrain, My plan is to make a board where 50% of it is old and destroyed while the other half is pristine.
"You can add on the Plague Faction Booster for $20 or as part of the Plague Booster Bundle for $50. Of course, you can get the Bundle for FREE with our Buy One Get One Free Deal!"
The boosters are $20, and the bundles each contain 3 boosters for $50 (so $10 saving). You can also buy a single $50 booster and get a second $50 booster for free. Is that accurate?
Yep they can't afford to do BOGOF on the $20 boosters but they can on the $50 ones - apparently the next update will have bundle deal for 1 of each booster for the first 4 factions at a slightly discounted price rather than the $80 it would cost now.
yippee - ok, here comes the update - setting out the road map to out to $800k -with a few images (we have to save something to keep tomorrow exciting!). The first goal is to be to get through $728,985 - which was our previous best - and then - to infinity and beyon.... - oops sorry wrong IP!
I hope the roadmap helps kickstart this Kickstarter!
yippee - ok, here comes the update - setting out the road map to out to $800k -with a few images (we have to save something to keep tomorrow exciting!). The first goal is to be to get through $728,985 - which was our previous best - and then - to infinity and beyon.... - oops sorry wrong IP!
I hope the roadmap helps kickstart this Kickstarter!
Its already in the tail phase. The last few days are double the days before... coupled with the amount raised, it's already a great success. Is 728k the previous high for a mantic KS?
What now, you want more?
Update #69 · May 30, 2013 · comment
Fantastic! That’s the shiny new Enforcer Specialists locked in and an awesome Faction Booster sorted. Add it on to your pledge now for more model goodness!
Up next:
- $705,000 - Deadzone Acrylic Counter Set. Dare we dream and get this one in tonight?
- $730,000 - Plague Faction Booster
- $740,000 - Blaine, Mercenary
Looks like our live chat with Mr Renton is going pretty well and you guys have been pretty vocal in what you want next… everything from a Mantic Clock to a Goblin Sapper have been mentioned!
Well, after speaking to The Boss, here’s what we can do for you…
$765,000 – Rebs Faction Booster
$775,000 – Solo Play and A.I. Cards
$800,000 – Marauder Faction Booster
So, what’s in the boosters?
Well we can’t show you everything now because we’d have nothing new to show you later but what we can do is give you a sneak peak (and we already know that the Rebs Booster contains the Kraaw and the Marauder Booster contains the Hulk!)
Rebs Missile Team – Human and Sphyr loader
BUT – that’s not all. Let’s talk deals.
NEW Faction Booster Deal - Buy 3 Faction Boosters, Get the 4th Free!
So far we’ve got our majorly awesome Buy One Get One Free on Booster Bundles, but we’ve been asked by some of you for a deal whereby you can get just one of each Faction Booster.
Whilst we can’t do buy one get one free on the individual boosters, we can offer you a dead simple deal – Buy any 3 Faction Boosters, get the 4th free!
Yep, you can have 4 of these Boosters for the price of 3 - and don't forget that they are already discounted!
You could pick the Enforcer, Rebs, Marauder and get the Plague free perhaps, or you could pick 2, 3 or even 4 of the same Booster!
Deadzone Veteran Commander
Not content with just offering a printed copy of the Deadzone Compendium with limited edition cover to our Veterans who break $300...
Anyone who pledges $400 or more during the campaign (pre-survey), including shipping and add-ons, will get a Kickstarter Exclusive Master Resin Rebs Commander.This stunning miniature will be in a new action pose - and ONLY available through this Kickstarter.
The current Rebs Commander
Anyone who pledges $500 or more during the campaign (pre-survey), including shipping and add-ons, will get a Kickstarter Exclusive Master Resin 1st Generation Plague in unique pose - this monster miniature will ONLY be available on this Kickstarter.
Current 1st Generation Plague
What’s more is that both of these miniatures will come with its own uniquely numbered certificate signed by Ronnie - a true gift!
Get pledging folks and please tell your friends - there are just 3 days to go until the end!
Gotta say, I'm feeling the love with the veteran level 2 and 3 as I'm calling them. Two of the best models of the set, in resin, with slick action poses. If I weren't already going all-in...
Things just got interesting pledge $400 or more for a unique posed resin Rebs leader, pledge $500 or more get a unique posed Gen 1 plague in resin and they are pre survey totals anything added in the survey doesn't count for these so they are trying to stop people holding out for the survey - well I'm covered over $500 now
Welp, I *was* in for $450. I'm going to have to see if I can swing that up to $500 now... probably would've gone that high during the survey so, eh, what the hell. I'm a sucker for exclusive crap.
I love the Reb's missile team too, but we're starting to get into the whole "Concept Sketch" realm where Mantic hasn't exactly been inspiring confidence as of late...
Awesome update, loving the Rebs heavy weapon team even if the Sphyr has a pedo smile, he will make ask that girl to hold his "rocket" at some point, its gonna be awkward.
Now that Mantic have comfirmed theres going to be a survey (ala dreadball/KoW) I think I'll stick to strike team ($150) but tally it up to a neat £120-£150 ($180-230odd) just as extra for later. Not to bothered about the resin 1st gen and rebs commander, although it is an intresting idea on Mantics side. Strongly considering replacing the reds commander with a custom one-off sculpt should I play them, would be a nice way of keeping my force unique.
Acrylic counters are locked in and we're already heading past them to the Plague booster. With two hours left before Kicktraq ticks over this should make for a pretty good day (already nearly $28k for the day). That should make an appreciable dent to allow us to score the Plague tomorrow (and possibly even Blaine). Things should pick up even more when reminders go out at 48 hours to go.
Already in for ~750, yay for freebie action poses on two already nice minis. Really hope the rebs booster and solo play get unlocked. I solo a lot in MMOs, why not in tabletop games ; p
Yeah, and if they get some crazy/nice long-haul stretches like light vehicles, or some other craziness, all the better. Hopefully they will get the EU factions sorted (could use a couple more models) and boosted while they've got the momentum.
Wow, over $30k in today and almost at $710k. We should snap up the Plague booster pretty quickly if things continue at this pace. With this one being so front heavy I wasn't expecting a big boost like this until the 48h mark. Glad things are picking up a bit early.
And I think I will probably be going in on this for $500. But to assuage my recent super-spending in Kickstarters, I am going to take a break and attempt to buy things that exist right now after this (been eyeing a couple 15mm forces and I should have enough left over from all these extra hours to make it happen; it will be nice with the TW expansion getting released in the next month or two). Well, at least until Mophidius runs the Mutant Chronicles KS, then I am going to make my wallet cry again (at least RPGKS campaigns tend to be more laid back).
I think we should be able to pull off EU boosters before the end of this thing. But I guess we wont know until we are standing atop the $800k mark and overseeing the next mountain to climb.
The core game right now (and Warpath) could REALLY use an alternate sculpt for the second leaders. In fact this is something people have been asking for in the kickstarter comments section.
Why have Remy spend a week sculpting an alt 1st Gen and Rebs Commander (and you just know both of them are going to be better sculpts than the originals), only to the throw the moulds and greens in the trash after 50-100 casts?
Complete and utter waste, throwing away good models that could build the line (in a company that could really do with building its line) for the sake of a marketing trick.
Something that GW is quite fond of doing.
The point of putting money into kickstarters to help the company expand its own model line.
Throwing away the kickstarter cash (and more importantly, excellent sculptors) on limited-edition marketing gimmicks is NOT what it's for.
Remy should be sculpting something for the core retail line, not spending a fortnight making an alt 1st Gen that is going to be thrown in the trash after 50 casts.
I won't post further on the topic since I know I'm holding a minority opinion here (which isn't going to change, FYI), just felt the need to mention it.
The core game right now (and Warpath) could REALLY use an alternate sculpt for the second leaders.
Why have Remy spend a week sculpting an alt 1st Gen and Rebs Commander (and you just know both of them are going to be better sculpts than the originals), only to the throw the moulds and greens in the trash after 50-100 casts?
Complete and utter waste, throwing away good models that could build the line (in a company that could really do with building its line) for the sake of a marketing trick.
Something that GW is quite fond of doing.
The point of putting money into kickstarters to help the company expand it's own model line.
Throwing away the kickstarter cash (and more importantly, excellent sculptors) on limited-edition marketing gimmicks is NOT what it's for.
Remy should be sculpting something for the core retail line, not spending a fortnight making an alt 1st Gen that is going to be thrown in the trash after 50 casts.
I won't post further on the topic since I know I'm holding a minority opinion here (which isn't going to change, FYI), just felt the need to mention it.
I don't know how minority it is, but I will say that it has been my interpretation of several statements by Studio McVey that they felt that all of the exclusives they produced strained them for little to show for it.
Frankly, given the somewhat slipshod quality of some of Mantic's sculpts it seems pure folly to have a popular piece like the commanders be in limited numbers.
If it was purchasable, perhaps.
Incidentally, that strikes me as the greatest problem with comparing to KD:M's Herald of Death promotion is that there were not exclusive bonuses to being a Herald. I would seriously consider buying an alt version of the Reb commander, but given the KoW fulfillment, working off of concept art alone is not something Mantic does that inspires enormous amounts of confidence...
Buzzsaw wrote: I would seriously consider buying an alt version of the Reb commander, but given the KoW fulfillment, working off of concept art alone is not something Mantic does that inspires enormous amounts of confidence...
I already own two.
From the Urban War range, lovely sculpts, perfect for this.
I could see a few Reaper scifi minis finding their way into the Rebs' ranks, as well as homebrew mercs.
I'm all-in on this one and will be getting both of the LE models. I agree that it does seem a bit silly to "waste" the effort. At the same time, exclusives are part of what get people to pledge NOW and not later through the manager, which pushes stretchgoals.
Hrmph, I'm just going to float on in my newly reformed bubble of optimism and let things fall as they may, just REALLY hope they come up with a rebs list in the next 60 hours or so.
scarletsquig wrote: Really don't like kickstarter exclusives.
As in really, really, really don't like them.
The core game right now (and Warpath) could REALLY use an alternate sculpt for the second leaders. In fact this is something people have been asking for in the kickstarter comments section.
Why have Remy spend a week sculpting an alt 1st Gen and Rebs Commander (and you just know both of them are going to be better sculpts than the originals), only to the throw the moulds and greens in the trash after 50-100 casts?
Complete and utter waste, throwing away good models that could build the line (in a company that could really do with building its line) for the sake of a marketing trick.
Something that GW is quite fond of doing.
The point of putting money into kickstarters to help the company expand its own model line.
Throwing away the kickstarter cash (and more importantly, excellent sculptors) on limited-edition marketing gimmicks is NOT what it's for.
Remy should be sculpting something for the core retail line, not spending a fortnight making an alt 1st Gen that is going to be thrown in the trash after 50 casts.
I won't post further on the topic since I know I'm holding a minority opinion here (which isn't going to change, FYI), just felt the need to mention it.
Actually, I'm happy to agree with pretty much all of that. And since due to my not having a bottomless wallet, there's no chance of me getting either of these, especially given the "pre-pledge manager" nature of it. The point that Mantic and Warpath really need good models is one that is far more pertinent to Mantic than to GW, which can afford to have some great sculpts as LE ones, since their range has so much depth (even today).
Is it worth it if it encourages enough people to up their pledges to 400/500, thus ensuring more models for all even if those particular models are restricted?
The thing I find most interesting about it is that $400/500 models seems to be the exact opposite of the speculation that Mantic were deliberately putting the brakes on this campaign by managing the stretch reveals in such an ...interesting manner (along with ending KoW at the same time!)
The core game right now (and Warpath) could REALLY use an alternate sculpt for the second leaders. In fact this is something people have been asking for in the kickstarter comments section.
Why have Remy spend a week sculpting an alt 1st Gen and Rebs Commander (and you just know both of them are going to be better sculpts than the originals), only to the throw the moulds and greens in the trash after 50-100 casts?
Complete and utter waste, throwing away good models that could build the line (in a company that could really do with building its line) for the sake of a marketing trick.
Something that GW is quite fond of doing.
The point of putting money into kickstarters to help the company expand its own model line.
Throwing away the kickstarter cash (and more importantly, excellent sculptors) on limited-edition marketing gimmicks is NOT what it's for.
Remy should be sculpting something for the core retail line, not spending a fortnight making an alt 1st Gen that is going to be thrown in the trash after 50 casts.
I won't post further on the topic since I know I'm holding a minority opinion here (which isn't going to change, FYI), just felt the need to mention it.
I think it would be hilarious if Remy did these limited sculpts, but the actual Rebs range went to the stretchy-nun guy. It would be just like Mantic to use the worst sculpts for the core of the army and place their best works into the eBay recasting machine.
On the other hand, if they switched it and 'Mantic'd up' their exclusives, I'd be all over that schadenfreude.
Whoever wins, Mantic loses. It's the Mantic Kobayashi Maru.
PS: Weren't there supposed to be hard plastic Enforcers by now?
A lot of people said the same thing in Dreadball. Me included. Mantics eventual response was they could be bought later on with Mantic points and at shows. Maybe if we press they will say the same thing?
I actually plan on backing this one, as I missed out on Dreadball. But I have a question (since this is my first KS), if I pledge one amount from one credit card, would I be able to pledge more from another? Or can you only pledge once?
A lot of people said the same thing in Dreadball. Me included. Mantics eventual response was they could be bought later on with Mantic points and at shows. Maybe if we press they will say the same thing?
The FAQ says kickstarter exclusive means kickstarter, mantic points and other special occasions. Not sure that will apply to the resin characters, but they do have their asses covered already.
I'd prefer them to be working on characters available to buy rather than some very limited sculpts. Or the EU models. Or just making sure the Main Four.
baritowned wrote: I actually plan on backing this one, as I missed out on Dreadball. But I have a question (since this is my first KS), if I pledge one amount from one credit card, would I be able to pledge more from another? Or can you only pledge once?
You'll only be able to use a single credit card via KS itself (though you can increase/decrease your pledge up until the campaign ends)
Based on KOW and Dreadball you'll be able to add extra cash in the post KS pledge manager via paypal (so you could use a different CC their)
Man, it may break a stretch and I haven't even gone to sleep yet! Ah, the joys of late-night laundry. Now I fully expect to wake up to see Blaine funded.
Well we can’t show you everything now because we’d have nothing new to show you later but what we can do is give you a sneak peak (and we already know that the Rebs Booster contains the Kraaw and the Marauder Booster contains the Hulk!)
Rebs Missile Team – Human and Sphyr loader
That concept art is awesome.
But I do wonder how they'll pull this off as a miniature for the game.
Similar to the 2nd Generation Plague guys, some of the Deadzone playing pieces seem to be almost mini-dioramas.
I'm finding this pretty hard to follow now, are the lists of bonus figures mentioned on the first page included free with those pledge levels or is it above pledge thresholds?
Say I've got an early bird scenery pledge ($95) + 4 premium mats ($75, total=$170), am I eligable for any of these freebies?
Would that change if I went for the non-EB scenery pledge at $100?
The total has jumped by $10k and 21 backers in the last 3 hours.
At a time when both the UK and the US are mostly asleep.
Today is going to be huge.
Also @everyone: Thanks, I'm glad to hear most of you have the same opinion about building a product line vs. marketing gimmicks when it comes to crowdfunding.
Is this the main problem people have with CMoN KS's? From a casual perspective (I've never backed one), they seem to be quite well-run and really effective at getting people to spend insane amounts, but I've never paid much attention to them beyond their kicktraq pages.
Anyway, I've asked about the KS exclusives in the comments, along with mentioning that I'd be happy to pay through the nose for them as add-ons.
I'm finding this pretty hard to follow now, are the lists of bonus figures mentioned on the first page included free with those pledge levels or is it above pledge thresholds?
With those Pledge Levels. Not above pledge thresholds. If you've selected Recon or Strike Team pledge levels, you get the long list of bonus freebies.
Say I've got an early bird scenery pledge ($95) + 4 premium mats ($75, total=$170), am I eligable for any of these freebies?
No, you get nothing.
Would that change if I went for the non-EB scenery pledge at $100?
scarletsquig wrote: The total has jumped by $10k and 21 backers in the last 3 hours.
At a time when both the UK and the US are mostly asleep.
Today is going to be huge.
Also @everyone: Thanks, I'm glad to hear most of you have the same opinion about building a product line vs. marketing gimmicks when it comes to crowdfunding.
Is this the main problem people have with CMoN KS's? From a casual perspective (I've never backed one), they seem to be quite well-run and really effective at getting people to spend insane amounts, but I've never paid much attention to them beyond their kicktraq pages.
Anyway, I've asked about the KS exclusives in the comments, along with mentioning that I'd be happy to pay through the nose for them as add-ons.
I don't know.
I don't really get the notion that everything needs to be made "forever". It's a similar problem with GW, where people have this sense of entitlement that a miniature-range that once existed MUST continue to exist and MUST be updated.
I believe that is rather misguided. I don't buy DreadBall or Eldar or Zombicide to have it around for the next 20 years (and supported at that). I buy these things to paint up, have a few months of fun with it and move on to the next hobby-project.
These are games and hobby time, not putting down a mortage for a house.
Yeah, exclusives are kind of a bummer. Though Mantic's handling of them is one of the better ones. They are a special treat to us poor sods hooked in for $400-500, they can be bought later using points (which I still have a few reams of that I never bothered using when I grabbed my WP Forge Fathers) and they are nice treats for con/open day goers.
Besides, they can always do 'em up in restic (rather than resin) later and still keep the resin ones as limited edition (since straight-up resin casting is something that can be done on the cheap in-house when you only need a few hundred made).
So I'm not too put off by it (and hey, it worked for me and got me to upscale to $500) because they are less wasteful about it then a one-time KS exclusive that will never exist again. Though it is still likely to stay in the realm of a loyalty reward for a while. If it ends up that they are later Mantic Point reward items, I'd be happy to send off my spare points to someone who wanted them to grab the alternate sculpts (well the Reb one at least, probably don't have enough for the 1st Gen).
Ronin_eX wrote: Yeah, exclusives are kind of a bummer. Though Mantic's handling of them is one of the better ones. They are a special treat to us poor sods hooked in for $400-500, they can be bought later using points.
Currently unconfirmed on that point, with regards to the resins.
In most situations I have no problem with limited edition minis (or anything else)
unless they are for games intended (by their manufacturer) for tournament play which come with different rules not available to the masses
however for a company that clearly has issues (in the opinion of a decent chunk of the community) with some of their sculptors it might not be the best use of their 'star' sculptors time (however if they use one of their new less experienced folk why not)
Huh? But it seems pretty clear in the FAQ near the bottom of the page.
What does "Kickstarter Exclusive" mean?
Here at Mantic we don't want to release figures through Kickstarter that will then penalise customers who miss out on the campaign. However, we do want to keep our Kickstarter exclusives a little bit special. Therefore, although our exclusive releases will never be sold at retail, they will be available later via the Mantic Points Scheme on our website, or offered as promotional figures at conventions that we attend.
I mean, that was my take at least. It would be weird if these two exclusive minis didn't follow the rule laid out in the FAQ. Outside of the Survivor, these are the only other two exclusives so far, no? They both are even referred to with the specific phrase "Kickstarter Exclusive", so there isn't really even semantic wiggle room. Kickstarter Exclusives are later available through points or as promo figures at cons. If they go back on this, then I'll go grab the rope and pitchforks with the rest of y'all (while covetously petting my LE minis ). But the FAQ says what Kickstarter Exclusive means.
The only bit that may happen in addition is that since they are individually numbered resin casts (Mantic always seem to be pretty diligent about material naming) I think we may see them down the line, tooled in restic. But that is just an outside guess.
At the very least it is clear that these will be available as point/promo items at a later date. So not really the classic definition of exclusive as used in other Kickstarter campaigns, just non-retail for the most part.
I don't really get the notion that everything needs to be made "forever". It's a similar problem with GW, where people have this sense of entitlement that a miniature-range that once existed MUST continue to exist and MUST be updated.
I believe that is rather misguided. I don't buy DreadBall or Eldar or Zombicide to have it around for the next 20 years (and supported at that). I buy these things to paint up, have a few months of fun with it and move on to the next hobby-project.
These are games and hobby time, not putting down a mortage for a house.
If nothing else, it's flat-out stupid. A "sweet spot" where one customer buys 2+ players' worth of game encourages word-of-mouth advertising after release, as your first wave customers each have a complete game that they will naturally want to share with their friends. These friends may then decide to buy a copy for themselves, so that they can still play with their other friends when the first wave customer isn't around. Kickstarter exclusives destroy your ability to take advantage of this free advertising, by refusing to sell your product to these second wave customers.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: In most situations I have no problem with limited edition minis (or anything else)
unless they are for games intended (by their manufacturer) for tournament play which come with different rules not available to the masses
however for a company that clearly has issues (in the opinion of a decent chunk of the community) with some of their sculptors it might not be the best use of their 'star' sculptors time (however if they use one of their new less experienced folk why not)
Well put, and it's my main issue with Mantic doing them now. It's a waste of quality sculptor time (and sculpts!) during a period when we're seeing those those DZ Orx, KoW trolls, cathorse, stretch-armed nuns, et al.
Personally, I'd like to see more little thank yous for the higher pledger. Would like to see another reward at $800 or $900. Would add to my pledge to get them.
If nothing else, it's flat-out stupid. A "sweet spot" where one customer buys 2+ players' worth of game encourages word-of-mouth advertising after release, as your first wave customers each have a complete game that they will naturally want to share with their friends. These friends may then decide to buy a copy for themselves, so that they can still play with their other friends when the first wave customer isn't around. Kickstarter exclusives destroy your ability to take advantage of this free advertising, by refusing to sell your product to these second wave customers.
Perhaps. But 90% of your customers in this business are "1st wave customers" who do nothing more with the stuff than park it unpainted in their garage.
That's why GW works the way it does with sequential "block-buster releases". That's why Kickstarters work they way they do. "2nd wave" is irrelevant. You'll make far more doing a different Kickstarter, including new and different "exclusives"
I never heard anyone fretting over not getting some exclusive from .. dunno .. last year's Zombicide. They'd just get into Deadzone instead. Or wait for Zombicide 3. Or get some GW instead.
Mantic Games wrote:All of the mercenaries going forward will be kickstarter exclusive - and they're all featured on the locked diagram on Recon and Strike Team. Plenty more exclusive stuff coming
I might not agree with this approach, but if it nets them another $500k+ in the last 2 days then I'll be happy enough. I just hope it works and they're relatively easy to pick up with Mantic points, so we don't get stuck with a game where you're not allowed to buy half of the mercs in the rulebook.
Unfortunately, it seems most people do seem to like KS exclusives, and even expect/demand them from kickstarters these days.
I think that's part of the problem, there were a lot of comments in this KS about people specifically asking for exclusives as add-ons. So, in many ways they're just doing what "the usual KS crowd" wants.
I never heard anyone fretting over not getting some exclusive from .. dunno .. last year's Zombicide. They'd just get into Deadzone instead. Or wait for Zombicide 3. Or get some GW instead.
Exactly, they see all the exclusives they can't get and then either go "screw it" and play something else, OR they spend $1000 on ebay to buy a complete set of the KS exclusives.
And that above figure is not an exaggeration, early on in the DZ KS comments, someone stated that they managed to sell their complete season 1 set of exclusives for that price.
As it stands, 5 of the mercs in Deadzone will be available to buy at retail, and 5 will not. If they make the last 5 too hard to get via mantic points, *and* the last 5 have really good, fun, rules then that's a real problem, since KS backers will have an in-game advantage over retail buyers.
Zweischneid wrote: Perhaps. But 90% of your customers in this business are "1st wave customers" who do nothing more with the stuff than park it unpainted in their garage.
Do you have a source for this? It does not represent what I have seen.
Do you have a source for this? It does not represent what I have seen.
No.
Just my observation of being a in and out of the hobby for some 2 decades. Or any other hobby for that matter.
I am pretty sure a major share (as in > 50%) of sales for golf clubs comes from people who pick up golf and drop it again within a year. The 20-year-veterans are the exception and - year-by-year - not nearly as profitable. Model Railways. Skiing. Legions of Home Trainer Bikes dusting in people's cellars. Whatever...
But it's only my biased observation.
And those that give in to the "completionist-itch" - rather than buying at small "paintable" quantities are often the worst. Again, just my observation, and not just miniature wargames. When I was doing more pen-and-paper RPGs, I frequently met people who had entire shelves filled with every single expansion-book for D&D or Vampire: The Masquerade or whatever (and they made lots of books). Most of them unread. They just "had-to-have-them-all".
And it is especially, especially true for the "buy-a-lot-get-a-bargain" kind of offers that Kickstarter caters to. I've seen people buy 5-for-the-price-of-3 computer games or DvDs, only to never even unwrap most of them. But it "was such a great deal". Go to Tescos, etc.. and watch people stock up on more "buy-one-get-one-free" sausages than they could ever eat. But it's "such a great deal". It's the nature of the business.
Is there any source for an alleged ""sweet spot" where one customer buys 2+ players' worth of game encourages word-of-mouth advertising after release"?
'That said, for anecdotal evidence at least, just browse the 40K forum (or any other game-sub forum) for discussions on topics such as "why can't I stick with an army" etc...
And these are "only" the people "still in it" and committed to change their habits. Doesn't account for those that just dropped entirely after spending cash on minis somewhere.
Ardaric_Vaanes wrote: I have a habit of buying models then letting them sit on the shelf for years before touching them.
Humans buy on impulse. And the more "time-intensive" a given product/hobby is, the greater will be the share of people who never end up doing much with their "impulse buy".
Successful miniature companies try to maximise their revenues from these "impulse" purchase. A not insignificant part of the success of Kickstarter in general is the sense of "urgency" it creates: the "now-or-never". Or at least "now-or-never-again-as-cheap".
The planned, conscientious customers aren't the ones driving profit in this business.
A random thought that occurs to me; they could really go back and tweak the basic troopers some.
I was trying to work up some army lists for the Enforcers (and largely failing because I gave up on figuring out unit sizes and went to go do other things) when I noticed you'd need a lot of the guys with rifles. You get 4 in each starter, but you'll probably be aiming for the add-on. However, $10 for three minis isn't so hot compared to $50 for 30 with the booster bundles. I wouldn't mind seeing some bigger bundles of the basic troops on offer, though I'd understand if they're worried about hurting their eventual WP KS...
Still waiting to see where my best value is since I want Enforcers and terrain, but am also one of those terrible impulse buyers that Z refers to.
Still waiting to see where my best value is since I want Enforcers and terrain, but am also one of those terrible impulse buyers that Z refers to.
Hey, I never said it's terrible!
Quite the opposite. It strikes me as far more human and relatable than the assumed "coldly-calculating", "robot-like" consumer people keep bringing up when they're saying that GW (or whoever else) is doing it "wrong".
Companies like GW, Kickstarter or Mantic Games don't have the power to change human psychology. They can only try to thrive as a business knowing how it works (or fail as a business by catering mainly to some imaginary, economically prudent 20-year-long-time-customer, of which I would argue not enough exist - and those that do don't spend enough - to drive a business like theirs).
I know it's probably in the thread already, but is there a picture to show you what the building sprues you get at Recon level (which i've backed at) look like assembled, just so I can gauge if it's enough for me?
way to embrace it / take it in stride / etc 
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