Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

Ah ok cheers. Axiom it is then (as the last one doesn't have Warhounds, unless I suppose I pick a spefic legio that can sub out for Hounds?) Anyway, thanks for the info.

You could go for a Myrmidon and Venator, 1 Maniple 2 WL, 2 Reaver, the other 1 Reaver, 4 Warhound.

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

You obvuiously don'r roll as many '1's as I do.....

MarkNorfolk wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

You obvuiously don'r roll as many '1's as I do.....

Or you could prefer failing a 4+ or 3+ and end your order step altogether.

Ben2 wrote:
You could go for a Myrmidon and Venator, 1 Maniple 2 WL, 2 Reaver, the other 1 Reaver, 4 Warhound.

Yeah I figured I could fit them all across two maniples but having a single maniple with all the titans appeals to me (I haven't played any games, so if I do, I want to experience it with all possible big guys included. If I manage to play multiple games I'm sure that more specialised maniples will also become more interesting too).

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Sure, but eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

Chopstick wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

You obvuiously don'r roll as many '1's as I do.....

Or you could prefer failing a 4+ or 3+ and end your order step altogether.

Well, I was comparing it to 'Axiom' where a failure isn't such a setback.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

Knights banner is "Household Support" and is not part of the maniple, you can have as many Knight banner as you want giving that you actually have the point to spare.

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Are there any Maniples with a decent number of all Titans? I bought 2 Xmas boxes and plan on getting the new Reaver too, so I have 2 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds. Obviously this is a big force that could be deployed in 2 maniples, but what about a smaller maniple? Is there such a thing as 2 Wlords, 2 Reavers and 2 Warhounds? Or 1 Wlord, 3 Reavers, and some hounds? (sorry if this is question is an easy answer, I don't have any of the books).
Also, another review here (not by me I saw it on reddit)

You either want Axiom (1 WL, 1(+1) Reaver, 1(+1) Warhound) or Myrmidon (2 (+1) WL, 1(+1) Reaver) maniple, they're from the main rulebook.

I like Myrmidon rule, First fire command roll on 2+ for everyone is nut, too bad I don't like fielding too many Warlords,

Issue with myrmidon is opponents move out of arc and that bonus is pointless. Haid to keep stuff in arc. Particularly carapace.

Same thing keeps regalia plus void shield generator from being broken. Otherwise warlords with shield sharing, rerolls for saves and emergency repairs would be immune to guns. But need to turn keeps in check

Chopstick wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

Knights banner is "Household Support" and is not part of the maniple, you can have as many Knight banner as you want giving that you actually have the point to spare.

Yes, I know, but I was wondering about those particular titan combinations, which IIRC are not possible.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

First no. 3 titan minimum(and that would be huge knight swarm or so small points are bigger restriction than maniples). 2nd yes(gryphonicus rule plus myrmidon. Grypho allows swapping warlord to 2nd reaver)

MarkNorfolk wrote:


Well, I was comparing it to 'Axiom' where a failure isn't such a setback.

Or you can just take Iron Clad Tyrant trait. Now that I think about it you should get your dice check for balance, and find the a new (not tampered) one that didn't give you more roll of 1. You will never find a perfectly balanced dice (for cheap) so at least try to find one that didn't give you higher odd of rolling 1.

I just dislike how most maniples seem to require Warhounds, which are ugly.

Warhounds are ace!


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It may also be an attempt to redress the buy in cost.

Two of the original are Warlord dependant. Which at £65 a pop is of course fairly steep. But if you make others more Warhound centric, you’re bringing that initial setup cost more palatable.

Well now you have 3 maniples that are possible with 0 warhounds

And that's not accounting for Legios that permit swapping titan types - so if you have the unfortunate poor taste of not liking Warhounds, you have options to play with lesser titans.

Oh, that’s interesting. Legio Gryphonicus Lupercal Maniple; 1 Reaver and 4 Warhounds all able to squadron up… possibly.
We really need that FAQ…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Oh, that’s interesting. Legio Gryphonicus Lupercal Maniple; 1 Reaver and 4 Warhounds all able to squadron up… possibly.
We really need that FAQ…

No. Squadroning is warhead's special ability. You don't have 5 warhounds there but 4 warhound and 1 reaver. It's not "reaver that counts as warhound". IT's reaver. It can be used to shoot in venator if warhounds knock shield, not to enable other reaver to shoot(this has been confirmed by the author of rules). It counts as reaver. Not as warhound and def not as warhound AND reaver.

Balance wise I'm most worried about the regalia and lupercal formation. 2 warlords with 1-2 warhounds for shield merging makes them almost impervious to shooting. I expect power fist/chainfist reavers and knights(in particular lancers that are best warlord killing knights for points) to become very popular if this is as good as it sounds. And 5 warhounds with tons of mega bolters will be stripping shields and then hit with tons of S7 which will hurt by sheer numbers. Especially from flank/rear. Enemy needs to drop several warhounds FAST or they are in trouble. Again knights will be popular(and some have been talking of replacing knights with warhounds! Let's see how these 2 maniples change that )

Not saying they ARE busted but those 2 are the ones I'm most worried about. Will need to try it out


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Longstrider wrote:
And that's not accounting for Legios that permit swapping titan types - so if you have the unfortunate poor taste of not liking Warhounds, you have options to play with lesser titans.

Actually that counted for it. Myrmidon, the new all reaver and axiom with reaver replacing required warhound. Leaves venator, the all warhound(well duh), regalia...Oh wait sorry indeed this one can do so indeed though that would be rather...silly. The other warlord getting automatic command is pretty poor ability as sole benefit. And you would be 2 warlord+reaver...same as myrmidon. Pretty sure ability to first shoot on 2+ for every titan is better than 1 warlord getting automatic command if the other pass. Reaver gets nothing.

Ooof... $52 for the arm frame. :/

I hadn't counted the legion titan swap shenanigans, so that helps, thanks for pointing that out. But I still think the maniple thing is super restrictive. It's like 7th ed 40K formations except you must use them for matched play. Considering that maniples give bonuses, I don't understand why there is not a n option to just not use one if one wants. Also, I find it odd that a single centrepiece Warlord with couple of Reavers is not some sort a maniple; seems pretty standard combination to me.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still find the whole maniple thing to be insanely restrictive, even with these new additions.. You must have a maniple for matched play, right?

Eh, not really. You now have 7 ways to take 3-5 models in different combinations, as well as two legios allowing you to alter that further. That covers almost all needs, unless you plan on fielding only Warlords.

Can I have just two Reavers and some Knights?
Reaver + Warlord + Knights?
Two Reavers + Warlord + Knights?

I haven't yet gotten into this game, but I'd kinda like to now that there's more stuff for it. But in my brief research I found the army construction for matched play to be super restrictive. Perhaps I'm wrong and I'm missing something?

You are correct in the army building being a bit restricted in that manner, but I would say it's nothing new in Warhammer: for decades 40k required 1 HQ and 2 Troops to begin with, Fantasy Battle required a Hero and 2 Core units. It's a starting point, just as "have three titans" is a starting point for an interesting game of AT. A game of maneuver is better with more than two moving parts, though you absolutely can ask your opponents if they are cool with you going without a canon maniple for the time being. That's what we did in our group before we had things ready, switching to maniples proper when the miniatures got along. The game is absolutely fine without the maniple rules, or many other bits you can add or drop depending on your tastes. They are fun, though, and I like the maniple system's restrictions. Then again, I also support restricted army building in games anyway instead of weird skews, so there's that

I can't believe the decals sold out that fast. I don't remember the first two sheets doing this.

 Sherrypie wrote:

You are correct in the army building being a bit restricted in that manner, but I would say it's nothing new in Warhammer: for decades 40k required 1 HQ and 2 Troops to begin with, Fantasy Battle required a Hero and 2 Core units. It's a starting point, just as "have three titans" is a starting point for an interesting game of AT. A game of maneuver is better with more than two moving parts, though you absolutely can ask your opponents if they are cool with you going without a canon maniple for the time being. That's what we did in our group before we had things ready, switching to maniples proper when the miniatures got along. The game is absolutely fine without the maniple rules, or many other bits you can add or drop depending on your tastes. They are fun, though, and I like the maniple system's restrictions. Then again, I also support restricted army building in games anyway instead of weird skews, so there's that

Yep. Especially as as fun as knights are they are still ignoring quite a bit of AT rules. Game of full knights and few titans isn't going to be quite as deep as one that has more titans. You are going to be missing soooo much.

And even if you don't want warhounds say 2 reaver+warlord is just 1200 pts. Leaves plenty room for knights anyway.

tneva82 wrote:

And even if you don't want warhounds say 2 reaver+warlord is just 1200 pts. Leaves plenty room for knights anyway.

Right. But that's not a maniple. And the smallest game suggested is only 700 points, which is impossible in matched... Those three titans and some knights is easily 1500 points which sounds like a fair sized game.

2 reaver plus warlord can be legal maniple. Here's all possible no-warhound maniples:

Myrmidon: 2-3 warlord, 1-2 reaver. With gryphonicus can be 1-2 warlord, 2-3 reaver
Corsair: 3-5 reaver
Axiom with gryphonicus: warlord, 2-3 reaver

Technically also gryphonicus Regalia with 2 warlord and 1 reaver but that's pretty crazy maniple as you are giving up big maniple bonus leaving only small help. Also fixed for 3 titans.

Still if you want warlord+2 reaver just take gryphonicus rules and myrmidon. At least one long range gun per titan(preferably 2, one for knocking down shields, one for punching armour) and you are set to go. Alternatively axiom provides you more reliability with orders.

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

And even if you don't want warhounds say 2 reaver+warlord is just 1200 pts. Leaves plenty room for knights anyway.

Right. But that's not a maniple. And the smallest game suggested is only 700 points, which is impossible in matched... Those three titans and some knights is easily 1500 points which sounds like a fair sized game.

Actually it's 700-1250, which is a range of values. Normal Matched Play in AT is not "let's play 1000 points", it's "let's play at a range of 700-1250 points" and it's fine. The underdog gets extra stratagem points if the difference is sufficiently large.

The smallest maniple: Reaver (250) with two fists (2x20) and a missile (10) and two warhounds (2x180) with twinferno cannons (4x10) = 700. Bam, it's possible. The game shines between 1500-2000, in my opinion. Haven't tried larger than that yet.

Edit: though actually the smallest maniple nowadays is a triple 'Hound Lupercal at 600 points. Woop.

tneva82 wrote:
2 reaver plus warlord can be legal maniple. Here's all possible no-warhound maniples:

Myrmidon: 2-3 warlord, 1-2 reaver. With gryphonicus can be 1-2 warlord, 2-3 reaver
Corsair: 3-5 reaver
Axiom with gryphonicus: warlord, 2-3 reaver

Technically also gryphonicus Regalia with 2 warlord and 1 reaver but that's pretty crazy maniple as you are giving up big maniple bonus leaving only small help. Also fixed for 3 titans.

Still if you want warlord+2 reaver just take gryphonicus rules and myrmidon. At least one long range gun per titan(preferably 2, one for knocking down shields, one for punching armour) and you are set to go. Alternatively axiom provides you more reliability with orders.

OK, thank you. I keep this in mind.

And 2 reaver+warlord maniple fits within that range band. Even with warlord being apoc+2 volcano's which is among most expensive combinations. Gets cheaper when gatling cannons comes and plasma cheapens it up.

So that maniple is valid for smallest point band if that's what you want to play. Venator can get underdog bonus but hey he has less powerfull titans so it evens up.

For medium level you can then add up knights. For epic even more knights or maybe reaver and/or warlord.


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 Sherrypie wrote:
Edit: though actually the smallest maniple nowadays is a triple 'Hound Lupercal at 600 points. Woop.

You know 8 such hounds in 2 maniples sounds potentially scary. Running straight inside shields and causing 6 S8/S9/S10(depending on direction you come from) HITS per warhound...Wonder if with 3 you could also lock warlord into place where it can't move out of 2" so shooting at 5+. And as you can't put templates so they hit friendly might be tough to rescue them with volcano cannons...Or clear your way out.

Is the warlord claw getting usage with these new threats?

 Achilles wrote:
Embedding my review for those that don't want to jump to a new window. Thanks Mothman for the shout!

Love the channel! Sometimes I watch the battle reports while painting, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on the gaming side.

Loving the supplement so far. Just the maniple's offer sooooo many new things to try I'm going to be busy for MONTHS even if I could get 2 games per week(not likely). And we aren't even talking about the campaign system...Looking forward to that. Scavening sounded interesting.

Only issue I have is no Legio Victorum there ;-) Haha. Can't have it all. Not that I'm likely to see those rules for years if ever. But there's that (traitor) legion with siege specialisation. Sounds good enough for long range prefering Victorum to use as count-as.

tneva82 wrote:
Only issue I have is no Legio Victorum there ;-) Haha. Can't have it all. Not that I'm likely to see those rules for years if ever. But there's that (traitor) legion with siege specialisation. Sounds good enough for long range prefering Victorum to use as count-as.

I wonder if this is the pattern for legio rules - 4 traitors and 4 loyalists per supplement. There's still a ton of legions to do. Off the top of my head, there's the Iron Skulls (Metalica), Warmongers (Crucius), Morning Stars (Astraman), Deathbolts, Imperial Fists, Fire Wasps (Ignatum), Cockatrices, Vulcanum I, Vulcanum II, Firemasters (Sutorvora) and the Flaming Skulls. The two Vulcanum Legios would be good candidates to feature alongside the introduction of the Eldar.

Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

 Toofast wrote:
Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

It's hard to say. The Warlord Titan is basically three sprues. So at that price the Warlord box itself would come out to $126. That's a little over ten percent of what it actually costs. Given that, the mark-up for the single sprue isn't too bad.

I think the real question is what the mark-up is on the Warlord itself. That's roughly $36 per sprue.

Draw your own conclusions.

I’d just get a second Warlord.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’d just get a second Warlord.

The new style Warlord is selling on eBay for $93.50 with free shipping and usually no tax. Yea, buying the weapon sprue alone at half the cost of what you can get the full Warlord for really doesn't make a lot of sense.

Urgh, just remembered that the Weapon sprues are only available through GW directly...

More interested in the Reaver sprue, but now considering the new variant instead.

Thats just a niggle though and Its been a great week for Titanicus.

Just a word of warning for those thinking of going the Ebay route for alternative weapons. Some locals ordered some and when they showed up, they were absolute garbage. They had been printed on a 3D printer with poor resolution and then cast with major mold slip. Things were hot garbage and you could see it from the other side of the table.

I was excited about the weapon sprues being sold individually but not so much about the price...Being GW exclusive it takes the cost up above half the price of grabbing the warlord kit at my local store instead...

But I dont need more warlord...

Thanks to everyone who did reviews of the book, which sounds like a fun addition to the game.

I would have liked to see some more gear or even a new Titan class, but what's there sounds good.

As for the cost of the weapons sprue, I can't say I'm surprised. It's got to be greater than 1/3 the cost of a new Titan from a supply chain perspective, so it's roughly where I figured (which is higher than I'd hoped, but there's logic for you).

New Maniples and Legio Traits seem to be doing exactly what they should. Changing up the buy-in cost, and allowing greater diversity across people’s forces and tactics.

For a game with a mere five kits at the time of writing, that’s pretty important! With any luck, we’ll soon be able to add say, a single Reaver to bulk out our forces, and gain access to two or more new Maniple types.

7 kits including the Knights, and you can add single Titans to your force but they don’t get Maniple bonuses.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New Maniples and Legio Traits seem to be doing exactly what they should. Changing up the buy-in cost, and allowing greater diversity across people’s forces and tactics.

For a game with a mere five kits at the time of writing, that’s pretty important! With any luck, we’ll soon be able to add say, a single Reaver to bulk out our forces, and gain access to two or more new Maniple types.

I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to play out all the possibilities! Especially fun when you play big enough games there could be TWO maniples. That's....a lot of combinations! And even with just one...Well there's just so many combinations. Especially when you factor in weapon combos. Lupercall plays very differently depending on weapon load outs. 8 warhounds with short range guns play out lot differently to 8 warhounds with long range guns! Albeit I don't have weapons for craziest edge lists(8 warhounds with twin flamers...However 3+3 twin vulcans plus 2 with say twin plasma is possibility). Ballerina reavers of corsair maniple...And with 18 questors and 8 lancers I'm eager to try the knight bonus maniple!

All the reviews seem to be(understandably) focusing on the new rules. But has there been any more info on "official" colour schemes beyond the WHC preview? For the Knights especially we have transfers coming but no idea of there heraldry beyond the basic(and possibly wrong) list that shows the Legios they fought alongside.

I’d love to see high res photos of the Legio Solaria and House Procon Vi colour schemes from the book if any of you have it? I’m way more interested in those than any of the rules in the book (most of the time I'll be using my AT models to play Epic rather than AT anyway). Thanks!

The regio maniple warlords with just 1 warhound was indeed super tough. Took up guns from 3 warhound with barely effect. Took 5 warhounds(5 vulcan, 2 laser destructor and 3 plasma gun) to get shields out.


If you face one with two warhounds might not be worth it firing. Too resource intensive. Ignore, deal with softer pair and see if you can get knights or h2g reaver into combat. All those 3+ with tons reactor rolls(particularly if no volcano so no need to save for that) for reroll 1's and total 6 repair roll...

Tough. H2h is good solution for that

Toofast wrote:Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

Yeah, that's a bit too much for one sprue.

And here I was thinking/hoping it would be $35...

Nostromodamus wrote:I’d just get a second Warlord.

Probably what I'll end up doing, which is probably what GW would want us all to do, but I'll at least go through a third party, so GW gets less of the money!

That'll teach 'em!!!

:(

Well. I went from buying 12 sprues(6 warlord, 6 reaver. Would have been 14 with corsair maniple giving me reason to buy 2 more reaver sprue) to...2 warlord sprue. Thanks GW. Saved lots of cash!


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 Mothman wrote:
Janissary- 2 reaver 2 hounds (reaver+hound extra) when a titan moves a knight banner can also move

BTW this is odd one. Every other maniple is 3-5. This one is 4-6? Also wonder if bonus is just moving or activating.

2 reavers, 2 warhounds, 2x2 lancer, 1x5 questor would be close to 1750. Biggest issue with this maniple will be that you want plenty of knights(one banner isn't really going to make it worthwhile) but that's going to be very point intensive. Will pretty much require confrontration and work best at epic.

Albeit depends on exact composition. That 4-6 seems odd.


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Aaah no 4-6 indeed. 1 reaver, 2 warhound minimum. Can add one of both so 2 reaver, 3 warhound max. And seems indeed just in movement phase. Well double charging can be useful.

BoLS has a page by page flip through on YouTube. All the Legios with rules get colour plate examples for Warlord. Reaver and Warhound Titans. Unfortunately there is nothing new for any other Legios or Knight houses

Personally I'd shell out for a book that was just colour schemes and background. So fingers crossed for more AT expansions in the near future.

February White Dwarf appears to have an article on Vassal Knight Houses - not sure of the contents (or the source of this):



Hopeful for at least some colour schemes or a colour plate or two.

Does it come with an FAQ section for the original rulebook? There's one or two things that could do with clearing up...

Better not be in pay to read wd.

 Toofast wrote:
Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

Cheaper is always better from the consumer's standpoint, I think we can all agree. I had hoped they would be cheaper, but my own speculation was that realistically they'd probably be $40 USD. Still, my LGS has a loyalty program, so you can get a discount after so many purchases. I'd been waiting for the sprues, so saved mine up and was able to pick 'em up for about $32 USD apiece.

I am on the fence on picking up the alternate weapon Walord and Reaver complete kits, as I'd like to all the options for each titan if possible, and I've not seen any evidence that the weapon sprues in the "base" release for each titan will be released separately.

I do think the Reaver weapon sprue will be cheaper than the Warlord's, when it comes out.

Honestly I think the only problem with the sprue is that it's direct-only. If it was available at the same discount as the boxed Warlord it would restore the "about 1/3 with a wee premium" price differential, but being stuck at full price relative to ~25% cheaper Warlords it looks like a terrible deal.

I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

If the sprues were cheaper sure. Now? That would make it more expensive for players.

Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

Why compare it to something we knew it wuld never be, resin?

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

True. AT was going to all be FW resin until they realized the demand would support plastics.

 Imateria wrote:

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

Why compare it to something we knew it wuld never be, resin?

Because AT was originally planned as a FW resin model range. Not just the weapons but the whole line.

Just out of curiosity, has there been before a Forgeworld-produced game?

Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Horus Heresy and Aeronautica Imperialis all spring to mind. And Middle Earth, too, now.

SamusDrake wrote:Just out of curiosity, has there been before a Forgeworld-produced game?

Aeronautica Imperialis, the Horus Heresy, and Zone Mortalis are really the only Forge World-produced games of note prior to their taking over the Specialist games titles.

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

And knights in 40k got extra sprues for a tenner. Having them separate thus gives like 300% price hike. At least there should have been combo box for titans as well with more reasonable price.

Ah well. Gw lost lots of sales. Even 5 pounds less and would have gone for 14 sprues rather than 2.

If you are at the point where you truly considered getting fourteen(!) weapon sprues, I think GW may already have all of your money anyway Really how many Warlords do you have?

People should wait for the completed titan kit with the extra weapon sprue, after GW made a hefty profit from the 2 Reaver/WL variants, So it should be 1-2 years from now.

 Breotan wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:Just out of curiosity, has there been before a Forgeworld-produced game?

Aeronautica Imperialis, the Horus Heresy, and Zone Mortalis are really the only Forge World-produced games of note prior to their taking over the Specialist games titles.

BaC was designed by the FW team and produced by GW. It's a weirdo one mind you and of course debatable about how actually notable the game was considering how many people used it as a HH army box and tossed the rest.

Anyhoos let's not get too off topic.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
If you are at the point where you truly considered getting fourteen(!) weapon sprues, I think GW may already have all of your money anyway Really how many Warlords do you have?

Ah unclear. It wasn't just 14 warlord sprues. It would have been 6 warlords(3 for mortis, 3 for victorum) and 6 reaver sprues(ditto) which got buffed to 8 with corsair maniple.

This got scaled down to just 2 warlord sprues.

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

Good point, it could have been worse..

Apparently 3rd-party retailers can get direct-only stuff with a smaller discount (at least in the UK). I got the Warlord weapon sprue and a transfer sheet for £34, along with Titandeath book and new Reaver at about 20% off.

 xttz wrote:
Apparently 3rd-party retailers can get direct-only stuff with a smaller discount (at least in the UK). I got the Warlord weapon sprue and a transfer sheet for £34, along with Titandeath book and new Reaver at about 20% off.

Unfortunately that requires you have a physical third party retailer to visit who's willing to do custom orders, and that's a lot less common here than it is in say America.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

Why compare it to something we knew it wuld never be, resin?

Because AT was originally planned as a FW resin model range. Not just the weapons but the whole line.

Yes, but that plan changed 2 years ago, long before the game came out. The comparison isn't worth anything at this point.

Well. Plenty weapons still coming in resin.

At this point I'm much more interested in what's coming in rules.

Titandeath doesn't appear to have any new Titans, and yet we know they've got at least the Rapier and one heavier class waiting in the wings (Warrior?).

So there must be another expansion later this year.

Or not. Nemesis isn't in for AT model all that fast it seems(officially word is "maybe") and that's likely the first new titan coming up for AT. After all it's out in 40k already.

Hopefully expansions are coming but when and what it contains is another thing. Q4 would be one where I would expect earliest and even that assumes it has been already started few months ago minimum

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Nemesis isn't in for AT model all that fast it seems(officially word is "maybe") and that's likely the first new titan coming up for AT. After all it's out in 40k already.

Hopefully expansions are coming but when and what it contains is another thing. Q4 would be one where I would expect earliest and even that assumes it has been already started few months ago minimum

I hope for a plastic warbringer, since that would give them the digital components for the mori quake cannon, which would be nice for a third warlord weapons sprue. And it shares the arm weapons with the reaver, so to see components are already digital.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Nemesis isn't in for AT model all that fast it seems(officially word is "maybe") and that's likely the first new titan coming up for AT. After all it's out in 40k already.

Hopefully expansions are coming but when and what it contains is another thing. Q4 would be one where I would expect earliest and even that assumes it has been already started few months ago minimum

I hope for a plastic warbringer, since that would give them the digital components for the mori quake cannon, which would be nice for a third warlord weapons sprue. And it shares the arm weapons with the reaver, so to see components are already digital.

Looks like there isn't going to be third warlord sprue. And likely the resin weapons for warlord will come out before warbringer comes out. I would expect resin weapons for warlords to start appear within 3-6 months. Some are apparantely already ready. Guess they want to release several at once. I'm hoping for paired gatling blasters and macro gatling blasters as "gatling weapons" pack! Those 2 are the ones I want most.

It's payday! Woooo!

Titandeath and Warlord Sprue ordered.

Time to dig out the magnets, ready for Monday.

I'm expecting mine late next week :(

Decided to order through GW on this occasion. Needed two 40k Manticores anyway, and I can't get the sprue elsewhere locally.

Figured the postage saving on just ordering the book is probably the same as a discount. Roughly. Certainly near enough as to make no different to me.

What I may be attempting this weekend is removing then magnetising the Volcano Cannon on the first Warlord I built. Not sure it's completely necessary, as it's a decent loadout. But, options are always welcome!

I ordered from gw but them sending on saturday and me in finland...well i ordered stuff on 10th, got sent on 11th and at least yesterday hadn't come.

Actually late next week is rathes optimistic...

 schoon wrote:
At this point I'm much more interested in what's coming in rules.

Titandeath doesn't appear to have any new Titans, and yet we know they've got at least the Rapier and one heavier class waiting in the wings (Warrior?).

So there must be another expansion later this year.

I'm not sure you'd need an expansion for a new class? The kit, the terminal and (if necessary) weapon cards would all provide the necessary play and rules components. The only thing that might be a bit sticky would be if they wanted to retcon some maniples to allow them as options, and that could be tackled with an FAQ, at least in the short term.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not sure you'd need an expansion for a new class? The kit, the terminal and (if necessary) weapon cards would all provide the necessary play and rules components. The only thing that might be a bit sticky would be if they wanted to retcon some maniples to allow them as options, and that could be tackled with an FAQ, at least in the short term.

Agreed.

 Azreal13 wrote:


I'm not sure you'd need an expansion for a new class? The kit, the terminal and (if necessary) weapon cards would all provide the necessary play and rules components. The only thing that might be a bit sticky would be if they wanted to retcon some maniples to allow them as options, and that could be tackled with an FAQ, at least in the short term.

Not even a FAQ needed really. Just a sheet or two of maniple rules in the box with the terminals. Job done. Don't think they'll rework the existing maniples to include, for example, a nemesis Warbringer.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


I'm not sure you'd need an expansion for a new class? The kit, the terminal and (if necessary) weapon cards would all provide the necessary play and rules components. The only thing that might be a bit sticky would be if they wanted to retcon some maniples to allow them as options, and that could be tackled with an FAQ, at least in the short term.

Not even a FAQ needed really. Just a sheet or two of maniple rules in the box with the terminals. Job done. Don't think they'll rework the existing maniples to include, for example, a nemesis Warbringer.

Wouldn't even require a rework.
Just a simple bit of text stating that you may swap 1 warlord in a maniple for a nemesis warbringer titan.
Would keep it to 1 per maniple and add some balance while allowing previous text to stay working just fine.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not sure you'd need an expansion for a new class? The kit, the terminal and (if necessary) weapon cards would all provide the necessary play and rules components. The only thing that might be a bit sticky would be if they wanted to retcon some maniples to allow them as options, and that could be tackled with an FAQ, at least in the short term.

I agree that you don't need an expansion to do this, but if they've really planned the product line for two years out, then it seems a wasted opportunity not to do so.

After all, why sell just a shiny new Titan class or two when you could sell them alongside a new book...

Likely warbringes will come with maniples of it's own. Need some materia' for supplements after all. What else they do? Redo campain rules? New random tables? Along with non warbringer maniples...plus how many maniples one can do with just 3 titans?

I think "counts as x class" for maniples might be better, otherwise by time we get the atleast 3-4 rumoured titans we are going to need silly amounts of maniples for them all to get representation. With I assume the rarity of stuff like psi-titans it may just be a maniple can include 1 "rare" titan. We may get a unique maniple for each type though, like an artillary maniple for the warbringer (maybe 2 warbringers 1 warlord, 2 hounds, hounds scout distances and you scatter less) but I dont expect to see as many as we do for the basic ones.

Bunch of transfer sheets last chance to buy. Also reaver command terminals and weapon cards...

tneva82 wrote:
Bunch of transfer sheets last chance to buy. Also reaver command terminals and weapon cards...

Well that is, odd


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Spotted on B&C

Andy just said "looking into reordering them"

Very fast sellers then! Me thinks Titanicus is doing above expectations

Somebody on gw doesn't know what states "last chance to buy" and "temporarily out of stock" means if they can't tell the difference. Or gw went for dishonest marketing stunt to get pani_ buys but why start that now?

Is that just for terminals/cards or transfers also?

I suspect that temp out of stock is for stuff that automatically gets re-ordered/is internal to GW itself

Last chance to by should be for stuff they know isn't coming back

they probably need a 3rd category of 'we need to special order this printed stuff from another company, the head of finance needs to sign off on it before we know if it's happening'

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
And Middle Earth, too, now.

Negative; while ostensibly a Forge World Specialist Game, the Middle-earth team operates outside of and independently of Forge World and any non-resin releases (books, plastics, dice, etc) are GW proper.

Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - Legio Vulpa homeworld is Anvilus (exclusive fluff bit)
- - Titans are only let loose on worlds where they intend to level everything
- - In the Horus Heresy, whole Legios were destroyed - first time they were up against something their equal, much like the Space marine Legions
- - They have a long-term plan for many more supplements and products
- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - The missions in the book barely touch on the true scope of Beta Garmon - they hope fans will generate more
- - They've been meeting about resin weapons, and the Ursus Claw is getting higher on the list
- - They have started to consider Imperator kit for "someday"
- - Warbringer is between Reaver and Warlord
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
- - Beta Garmin has some interesting planets, with all sorts of hazardous elements, including un-exploded ordnance from test ranges to vaccum, etc.
- - They want to keep doing more campaign books
- - They will also start adding info on what Space Marine Legion fought with what Titan Legio
- - FAQ is on the way after Titandeath reports filter out (a month or two?)
- - For minor weapons, they anticipate doing PDF Weapon Cards
- - Campaign system gives you a means of linking your games - equipment, crew experience, salvage, etc.
- - Also give some guidance on map-based campaigns - ala Mighty Empires
- - They may do Legio-specific dice in the future

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

If the sprues were cheaper sure. Now? That would make it more expensive for players.

Well, no, it would do the opposite of that, because if the sprues were a normal packaged product available through standard retail channels, it would be available with the same discount as the Titans...

 schoon wrote:
Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
-

These don't really make much sense together. The Titandeath supplement has altered the colours of some Knight Houses, in some cases directly contradicting material published in the HH black books. Knight and Titan relationships, as well as heraldric devices on the two, are some of the most requested pieces of information asked for in the Adeptus Titanicus FB group. It's all well and good for the AT team to say that the heraldry has meaning, but if they're not willing to expand on that with a fluff book (or generous articles) then what is the point of saying this? Titandeath is a great book for the game but it is sparse on fluff, something that is desperately needed for an exciting and narrative-driven tabletop game.

It's about as sparse as the original Adeptus Titanicus. The original, like a lot of GW products of the time, made a virtue of vaguely alluding to this weird weird background rather than the avalanche of stuff that more modern 4th edition 40k+ does.

Of course it wasn't a premium miniatures game back in the day, but something more mass-market and playable than Battletech.

 Yodhrin wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

If the sprues were cheaper sure. Now? That would make it more expensive for players.

Well, no, it would do the opposite of that, because if the sprues were a normal packaged product available through standard retail channels, it would be available with the same discount as the Titans...

Okay let\s see. I want sunfury titan. I would need to buy full titan(65 and sprue(26). Even with 20% for both that means 52+20.8=72.8. As it is now I would pay 52.

Since when 72.8 is less than 52?

The lack of info about the colours of named Legios and Knight houses is really annoying. The new transfer sheets all include markings for Knight houses that have no official colour schemes beyond the ultra vague list(that gives a new/wrong set of colours for house Ohrlacc) in the back of the Titan Death book

I would imagine that's what the article in WD will be covering (hopefully)

Vorian wrote:
I would imagine that's what the article in WD will be covering (hopefully)

I certainly hope so, but its the sort of info that should have been in the Titan Death book. An extra page of colour examples for each of the featured Legios allied Knight houses would not have killed them.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The lack of info about the colours of named Legios and Knight houses is really annoying.

Why you need that? Just make up your own colour schemes. That' like half of the fun.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The lack of info about the colours of named Legios and Knight houses is really annoying. The new transfer sheets all include markings for Knight houses that have no official colour schemes beyond the ultra vague list(that gives a new/wrong set of colours for house Ohrlacc) in the back of the Titan Death book

I'm not sure if I agree with this, as I don't know to what extent they've covered all the art. I know that I have a large collection of Titan colour schemes saved from the net (eg stuff in this style https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/88/Legio_Atarus_Reavery-class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150609091025 , which seems fairly labour intensive as far as art goes, so I can forgive them for not having everything covered. Sure this is a Titan as opposed to a Knight, but they have so many Knight houses covered in codex IK, which again seems like a decent amount to me, stuff like this https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-60030108008-3.jpg )

If you want a specific Knight household with everything completely pinned down, or Households that are specifically linked to the Knights in the new book, maybe wait and see what comes, or just wing. For the specific markings, info for that can be found in this thread, stuff like this https://reader009.docslide.net/reader009/html5/20170731/553cb4be5503461c478b4adb/bg2.png and info here https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Collegia_Titanica (go about 40% down the page to "The Divisiones"), hope this helps. Personally I like to just make stuff up to avoid these type of irritations. I'm painting my legio Grey / Blue and using Tempestus heraldry, but the legio may or may not be Tempests, I haven't decided yet. No idea what I'm doing for Knights.

I don't mean to come across as particularly ranty but what's bugging me is it would have added a whooping eight pages to the Titan Death book to give examples of allied knights for the featured Legios. If you are one of those weirdos like me who wants to base there force within the existing background "just make stuff up" doesn't really help. Its especially frustrating when GW tease by releasing transfers for Knight houses that have zero information on colour schemes beyond the misleading and possibly wrong two colour list in the back of Titan Death(the list gives Coldshroud's colours as Blue/yellow and Ohrlacc's as Blue/gold).

Two supplements a year is absolutely brilliant news. Not pleased they'd let things go to LCTB so early in the game's tenure - they should be committing to keeping things in stock for at least the 2 years they said they had content planned for the game.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I don't mean to come across as particularly ranty but what's bugging me is it would have added a whooping eight pages to the Titan Death book to give examples of allied knights for the featured Legios. If you are one of those weirdos like me who wants to base there force within the existing background "just make stuff up" doesn't really help. Its especially frustrating when GW tease by releasing transfers for Knight houses that have zero information on colour schemes beyond the misleading and possibly wrong two colour list in the back of Titan Death(the list gives Coldshroud's colours as Blue/yellow and Ohrlacc's as Blue/gold).

Can't say I could relate. But then you just must choose a legio of which there is a sufficient amount of information already.

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's about as sparse as the original Adeptus Titanicus. The original, like a lot of GW products of the time, made a virtue of vaguely alluding to this weird weird background rather than the avalanche of stuff that more modern 4th edition 40k+ does.

Of course it wasn't a premium miniatures game back in the day, but something more mass-market and playable than Battletech.

Sure, but for GW to say that all of the heraldry has a function and meaning, only to then decide not to publish any of that information is a little baffling. How are players supposed to know? Oh well, whatever... here's to Atarus transfer sheets released in 2020/2021.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/3633 Aaaaarrrrggghhh!!!! I think I need to go lie down

In non triggered rant news, is that Coldshroud Magaera art new? Seems odd to show it if they are not planning to release them for AT. Unless its salvaged from the perpetually delayed Fires of Cyraxus?

 Eiríkr wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
-

These don't really make much sense together. The Titandeath supplement has altered the colours of some Knight Houses, in some cases directly contradicting material published in the HH black books. Knight and Titan relationships, as well as heraldric devices on the two, are some of the most requested pieces of information asked for in the Adeptus Titanicus FB group. It's all well and good for the AT team to say that the heraldry has meaning, but if they're not willing to expand on that with a fluff book (or generous articles) then what is the point of saying this? Titandeath is a great book for the game but it is sparse on fluff, something that is desperately needed for an exciting and narrative-driven tabletop game.

What those are supposed to mean is that FW has put quite a bit of thought into the heraldry, however, they don't have the page-count or writing power to give us 2-3 pages on each Knight Household or Titan Legio.

The brevity of the fluff in the books is what allows them to target 2 supplements per year.

 schoon wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Notes from today's Live Stream - though I missed a few minutes here and there from incoming phone calls...

- - All the Knight Banners and Titan heraldry have meaning
- - To keep up the pace of supplements (sounds like a target of 2 per year) they cannot take a deep dive on any one thing (Legio, class, etc.)
- - They like to hint at the fluff as opposed to shove it in your face
-

These don't really make much sense together. The Titandeath supplement has altered the colours of some Knight Houses, in some cases directly contradicting material published in the HH black books. Knight and Titan relationships, as well as heraldric devices on the two, are some of the most requested pieces of information asked for in the Adeptus Titanicus FB group. It's all well and good for the AT team to say that the heraldry has meaning, but if they're not willing to expand on that with a fluff book (or generous articles) then what is the point of saying this? Titandeath is a great book for the game but it is sparse on fluff, something that is desperately needed for an exciting and narrative-driven tabletop game.

What those are supposed to mean is that FW has put quite a bit of thought into the heraldry, however, they don't have the page-count or writing power to give us 2-3 pages on each Knight Household or Titan Legio.

The brevity of the fluff in the books is what allows them to target 2 supplements per year.

Then give us the sodding information for free. I mean, it's not like this is some Herculean task - have one of the minimum wage minions give an AT Knight a quick & basic paintjob in the house's colours(or, gak, just photoshop the same picture of an already painted AT Knight over & over), type up some tidbits from their apparently extensive super-sekrit vault of notes into like, a paragraph per household, and stick them up on WarCom in batches.

"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something." isn't a great attitude for an extremely premium product, especially one that's supposed to be selling itself with the "pseudohistorical" angle of the Heresy setting. Also, aren't they the ones that set the sodding page count? They're really completely unable to stick another 8-page sheaf into the manuscript and just push the price up to 25 quid? I'm fairly sure most of us are suckers enough to pay more for the books if they put enough background material in there to make them worth it.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Two supplements a year is absolutely brilliant news. Not pleased they'd let things go to LCTB so early in the game's tenure - they should be committing to keeping things in stock for at least the 2 years they said they had content planned for the game.

Well luckily it seems gw has changed what lctb means for them. Rather than literally last chance to buy it means just "buy now if you don"t want to wait a bit for restock"

 Eiríkr wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's about as sparse as the original Adeptus Titanicus. The original, like a lot of GW products of the time, made a virtue of vaguely alluding to this weird weird background rather than the avalanche of stuff that more modern 4th edition 40k+ does.

Of course it wasn't a premium miniatures game back in the day, but something more mass-market and playable than Battletech.

Sure, but for GW to say that all of the heraldry has a function and meaning, only to then decide not to publish any of that information is a little baffling. How are players supposed to know? Oh well, whatever... here's to Atarus transfer sheets released in 2020/2021.

With regards to function and meaning, during the Twitch stream Andy Hoare explained you could use the transfers representing warlords / reavers / warhounds either as kill marks (on side panels, on weapons), or to indicate, on the banner of a particular titan, the composition of a maniple and place of that particular titan within the maniple.

Also Codex Imperial Knights does have some examples of specific heraldry and related meaning (e.g. chevrons).

Next WD has an article about Knight Houses, it is likely we'll see some bits of info there.

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

In all fairness I have yet to see anything a fan comes up with that matches the official product for depth, coherence, and (for lack of a better term) quality.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

What's really hilarious about this is you think you're being clever, when you're talking to somebody who's collecting a homebrew Legio with a homebrew Knight Household and who's writing a full background for both including a custom culture for the Knight World based on a fusion of elements from the pre-conquest Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire and post-conquest Islamic Persia - I'm fairly sure my imagination is fully armed and operational.

All I'd like to see is FW putting in that same level of effort for the "official" Legios and Households. You know, since this is supposed to be a Heresy product, and one of the big appeals of FW's Heresy products is supposed to be the excruciatingly-detailed pseudohistorical vibe where they go into every aspect of the factions practically down to the level of what the featured characters like to eat for breakfast. Or more accurately, I'd like to see FW release the fruits of their efforts - since they've ostensibly already come up with most of this info already - to us, so that AT stands up to the level of quality and detail of the black books.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

Yup, heaven forbid fans of the setting being able to model stuff to be coherent with said setting, or being able to model things so that others can recognize the markings without being told, eh?

 Irbis wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
"We don't have the resources to sell this to you and probably never will, but we also won't give it away, so you'll just have to use The Power Of Imagination or something."

Yeah, Emperor forbid, it would be a horrible if you had to use your own imagination in a fantasy battle game! None of this is real, FW coming up with a colour scheme is no better than you doing the same, it is made up anyway.

Yup, heaven forbid fans of the setting being able to model stuff to be coherent with said setting, or being able to model things so that others can recognize the markings without being told, eh?

Personally I think they've done an ok job. Sure the information is incomplete and very scattered, but we aren't talking Ultramarines here. This game is very young. For everyone that wants "8 more pages" there will be two others that want 12 more pages. Give this game 15 more years and we'll have everything covered

 Yodhrin wrote:

What's really hilarious about this is you think you're being clever, when you're talking to somebody who's collecting a homebrew Legio with a homebrew Knight Household and who's writing a full background for both including a custom culture for the Knight World based on a fusion of elements from the pre-conquest Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire and post-conquest Islamic Persia - I'm fairly sure my imagination is fully armed and operational.

And this sounds positively awesome. So you don't need FW to spell this stuff out for you.

All I'd like to see is FW putting in that same level of effort for the "official" Legios and Households. You know, since this is supposed to be a Heresy product, and one of the big appeals of FW's Heresy products is supposed to be the excruciatingly-detailed pseudohistorical vibe where they go into every aspect of the factions practically down to the level of what the featured characters like to eat for breakfast. Or more accurately, I'd like to see FW release the fruits of their efforts - since they've ostensibly already come up with most of this info already - to us, so that AT stands up to the level of quality and detail of the black books.

Eh. There already is plenty of info. The 40K knight codices might be a good source for more details pertaining the knights.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

What's really hilarious about this is you think you're being clever, when you're talking to somebody who's collecting a homebrew Legio with a homebrew Knight Household and who's writing a full background for both including a custom culture for the Knight World based on a fusion of elements from the pre-conquest Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire and post-conquest Islamic Persia - I'm fairly sure my imagination is fully armed and operational.

And this sounds positively awesome. So you don't need FW to spell this stuff out for you.

All I'd like to see is FW putting in that same level of effort for the "official" Legios and Households. You know, since this is supposed to be a Heresy product, and one of the big appeals of FW's Heresy products is supposed to be the excruciatingly-detailed pseudohistorical vibe where they go into every aspect of the factions practically down to the level of what the featured characters like to eat for breakfast. Or more accurately, I'd like to see FW release the fruits of their efforts - since they've ostensibly already come up with most of this info already - to us, so that AT stands up to the level of quality and detail of the black books.

Eh. There already is plenty of info. The 40K knight codices might be a good source for more details pertaining the knights.

Yeah I know, but I think these guys are saying that they want it all codified and neatened up, as well as more comprehensive stuff added for the new Titan Death stuff. I agree, there's loads of info out there already, but even for us veterans it requires plenty of digging (ofc same could be said of the Ultramarines example I used, there's an absolute mountain of info from the past 25 years, but for newbies, when there's a new codex out that's generally all they need, no need to dig). Like I say I'm satisfied with the current state of the AT fluff, and I expect it to grow and solidify as the game grows.

Caved.

New Reaver, Data things and weapon cards ordered.

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[Yeah I know, but I think these guys are saying that they want it all codified and neatened up, as well as more comprehensive stuff added for the new Titan Death stuff. I agree, there's loads of info out there already, but even for us veterans it requires plenty of digging (ofc same could be said of the Ultramarines example I used, there's an absolute mountain of info from the past 25 years, but for newbies, when there's a new codex out that's generally all they need, no need to dig). Like I say I'm satisfied with the current state of the AT fluff, and I expect it to grow and solidify as the game grows.

The problem is that a two colour list is next to useless when it comes to IK paint schemes as most consist of at least three colours and vary wildly in there placement. Take for example Cadmus, who according to the list have a green/yellow heraldy. While that is true, it is no help in figuring out the shade of green and yellow used and gives no indication of the distribution of the colours as well as making no mention of the armour trim. Fortunately for anyone who is interested in painting IK's from house Cadmus they have been featured in every version of the 40k codex so far and there are plenty of examples. But the vast majority of Knight houses in the list have either zero existing examples of there colour schemes in existence, or are listed as having different schemes to any previously shown.

Imagine if the only info about pre Heresy World Eaters and Ultramarines was that they were bothe white and blue. Honestly it would have been better if they had just given the names. The heraldry part of the list just causes confusion, gnashing of teeth and internet rage.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
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The problem is that a two colour list is next to useless when it comes to IK paint schemes as most consist of at least three colours and vary wildly in there placement. Take for example Cadmus, who according to the list have a green/yellow heraldy. While that is true, it is no help in figuring out the shade of green and yellow used and gives no indication of the distribution of the colours as well as making no mention of the armour trim. Fortunately for anyone who is interested in painting IK's from house Cadmus they have been featured in every version of the 40k codex so far and there are plenty of examples. But the vast majority of Knight houses in the list have either zero existing examples of there colour schemes in existence, or are listed as having different schemes to any previously shown.

So? Any combination of the listed colours is equally correct; none of this is real. Besides, they're knights, and each can have somewhat personalised heraldry, not every single one needs to be a carbon copy of an official FW colour plate.

 Crimson wrote:

correct;

real.

These are not synonyms.

My whole objective with my AT project is to follow the "codex" schemes, and explicitly not make them up myself. All my Titans will follow the livery of individual engines from the colour plates as closely as possible, and I'd like to do similarly with any support units. I would appreciate as much info as possible.

 Azreal13 wrote:

My whole objective with my AT project is to follow the "codex" schemes, and explicitly not make them up myself.

Doing that would bore me to tears, but whatever floats your boat. However...

All my Titans will follow the livery of individual engines from the colour plates as closely as possible, and I'd like to do similarly with any support units. I would appreciate as much info as possible.

In the scale of AT wishing for exact details of individual livery of each knight is pretty much as asking for details of each individual member of Blood Angels 5th company second assault squad for 40K.

For me, half the hobby is creating my own Legio and Knight Household (or other units/organizations for other games).

But that's for me - my hobby is not the same as anyone else's, and I can totally respect both views, as well as everything in between.

So my hope is that they will eventually provide some "official" guidelines for doing that. In the meantime, I'm going to keep "making things up" and ensuring they're balanced enough so that others are happy to play on the other side of the table!

 Crimson wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

My whole objective with my AT project is to follow the "codex" schemes, and explicitly not make them up myself.

Doing that would bore me to tears, but whatever floats your boat. However...

Well, how you feel is of absolutely no consequence, it's an objective I've set myself explicitly because agonising over colour choice and placement is one of the biggest time sinks in most other projects for me. I'm finding it a breath of fresh air actually.

All my Titans will follow the livery of individual engines from the colour plates as closely as possible, and I'd like to do similarly with any support units. I would appreciate as much info as possible.

In the scale of AT wishing for exact details of individual livery of each knight is pretty much as asking for details of each individual member of Blood Angels 5th company second assault squad for 40K.

Exactly what do you think "as closely as possible" means?

 Azreal13 wrote:

Exactly what do you think "as closely as possible" means?

Well, in the case of those new knight houses it means combining the two colours in any manner you please!

 Crimson wrote:
So? Any combination of the listed colours is equally correct; none of this is real. Besides, they're knights, and each can have somewhat personalised heraldry, not every single one needs to be a carbon copy of an official FW colour plate.

*sigh* No any combination of the listed colours are not equally correct. That is the whole point of having house specific heraldic schemes. Your essentially saying there is no difference between house Mortanhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Mortan and house Ravenhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Raven as they both use Red and black in there colour schemes.

 Crimson wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Exactly what do you think "as closely as possible" means?

Well, in the case of those new knight houses it means combining the two colours in any manner you please!

Which will be an absolute compromise for anyone who likes to use official schemes or has chosen to in this case.

It won't be "as closely as possible" it'll be "educated guess." That a given house has been given colours almost certainly means that the imagery exists, if only in the author's head, and to not have access to that information but to know it exists will bother anyone aiming for an element of precision in their schemes. In this case as closely as possible involves a phone call to the studio, which has a low probability of success and a high requirement for excessive hobby OCD.


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 Crimson wrote:
So? Any combination of the listed colours is equally correct; none of this is real. Besides, they're knights, and each can have somewhat personalised heraldry, not every single one needs to be a carbon copy of an official FW colour plate.

*sigh* No any combination of the listed colours are not equally correct. That is the whole point of having house specific heraldic schemes. Your essentially saying there is no difference between house Mortanhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Mortan and house Ravenhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Raven as they both use Red and black in there colour schemes.

I wouldn't bother any further dude, this is clearly a case of "got mine, feth the rest of you" and there's little chance of making any headway.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

*sigh* No any combination of the listed colours are not equally correct.

But there is no more information that those two colours. It doesn't exist. Thus any interpretation is equally correct. This is not like historicals where you can check it against the real thing.

That is the whole point of having house specific heraldic schemes. Your essentially saying there is no difference between house Mortanhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Mortan and house Ravenhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Raven as they both use Red and black in there colour schemes.

And even there the placement of colours wildly varies between individual knights. It would be perfectly plausible to have a Raven with so much black that at a glance it would look like a Mortan or a Mortan that has more red than usual.


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 Azreal13 wrote:

Which will be an absolute compromise for anyone who likes to use official schemes or has chosen to in this case.

It won't be "as closely as possible" it'll be "educated guess." That a given house has been given colours almost certainly means that the imagery exists, if only in the author's head, and to not have access to that information but to know it exists will bother anyone aiming for an element of precision in their schemes. In this case as closely as possible involves a phone call to the studio, which has a low probability of success and a high requirement for excessive hobby OCD.

It is 'close as possible' as all canon information there is, is those two colours. More information may appear later, and thus things can change, but that has happened in the past too. Several marine chapters have chaged their official colour schemes during the lifespan of the game. But if you're worried about that, why you need to choose the Knight Houses on which there is very little information on? There is tons of information on many Knight Houses; if this stuff matters to you then why not use the houses there is plenty of information on? Those sort of 'oh just use these colours... somehow' are probably intended for people who are fine with working with that level of information.

Well moving away from throwing ping pong balls at each others tanks, https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/25/25th-jan-white-dwarf-preview-februarygw-homepage-post-2/ it looks like the AT article in WD is about running Titans and IK in a combined maniple.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well moving away from throwing ping pong balls at each others tanks, https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/25/25th-jan-white-dwarf-preview-februarygw-homepage-post-2/ it looks like the AT article in WD is about running Titans and IK in a combined maniple.

Thank you for the heads up. It will be interesting to see how this new maniple works...

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well moving away from throwing ping pong balls at each others tanks, https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/25/25th-jan-white-dwarf-preview-februarygw-homepage-post-2/ it looks like the AT article in WD is about running Titans and IK in a combined maniple.

More important is that they're reprinting the Epic Orks V Squats battle report! Excellent!

But Jervis is the guest editor, so they'll only include it in 1 in 6 copies.

Reprinting a whole battle report from a oop game in a separate booklet? It will certainly add fuel to the bring back Epic fire. And IIRC didn't that game include Squats? Maybe it is just a big old nostalgia shot from the WD team, but my inner conspiracy nut wonders if GW are prepping the ground for something

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Reprinting a whole battle report from a oop game in a separate booklet? It will certainly add fuel to the bring back Epic fire. And IIRC didn't that game include Squats? Maybe it is just a big old nostalgia shot from the WD team, but my inner conspiracy nut wonders if GW are prepping the ground for something

A man can dream. They should have included the Necromunda Squat in the report for proper old times

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

What's really hilarious about this is you think you're being clever, when you're talking to somebody who's collecting a homebrew Legio with a homebrew Knight Household and who's writing a full background for both including a custom culture for the Knight World based on a fusion of elements from the pre-conquest Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire and post-conquest Islamic Persia - I'm fairly sure my imagination is fully armed and operational.

And this sounds positively awesome. So you don't need FW to spell this stuff out for you.

You...you do grasp the difference between a homebrew Legio and an official one, right?

They are two entirely different scenarios, and responding to someone who desires the latter with "just use your imagination" is like telling a WW2 rivet counter that the camo pattern of the tanks from the unit they're modelling to play a specific historical campaign doesn't really matter. It maybe doesn't matter to you, but it's one of the main reasons they're interested at all. Again, look at the black books - do we need an account of a Legion's major campaigns prior to being reunited with their Primarchs, a list of their various nicknames and appellations, loads of examples of variant colourschemes and iconography etc etc, in order to paint some models silver and call them Iron Warriors? No, not at all, but for a lot of folk it makes the experience of collecting a given army a lot richer and more interesting.

All I'd like to see is FW putting in that same level of effort for the "official" Legios and Households. You know, since this is supposed to be a Heresy product, and one of the big appeals of FW's Heresy products is supposed to be the excruciatingly-detailed pseudohistorical vibe where they go into every aspect of the factions practically down to the level of what the featured characters like to eat for breakfast. Or more accurately, I'd like to see FW release the fruits of their efforts - since they've ostensibly already come up with most of this info already - to us, so that AT stands up to the level of quality and detail of the black books.

Eh. There already is plenty of info. The 40K knight codices might be a good source for more details pertaining the knights.

Except as the vague list in the back of the new AT book(and the Knights of Taranis in the Mechanicum novel, and Tempestus in Titanicus) demonstrates, post-Heresy markings and background info for a Household or Legio can be completely different to pre-Heresy, and some of it ostensibly changes during the Heresy itself. Without access to that kind of info, you don't get cool projects like an old buddy of mine who did a HH warband of loyalist Death Guard who'd repainted their gear in their old Terran colours as Dusk Raiders.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Reprinting a whole battle report from a oop game in a separate booklet? It will certainly add fuel to the bring back Epic fire. And IIRC didn't that game include Squats? Maybe it is just a big old nostalgia shot from the WD team, but my inner conspiracy nut wonders if GW are prepping the ground for something

if they are going to bring back Epic they'll tell the new generation about it and see the response.

They've got the terrain and Imperial Knights and Titans done.

If they bring back Aeronautica in a couple of years they'll have the planes.

If they did Epic they might start with Marines vs Marines in the HH exactly like the original Epic and Adeptus Titanicus did.

Basically doing Epic to a modern standard is a project equal to at least the whole output for 40k for a year, and Specialist don't yet have the resources for that. So if they did it then they'd have to split it up so they can launch something, get a return on it, and test the market. Andy Hoare can't rock up to the CEOs office and ask for at least £15 mill to triple the size of Specialist games, produce several dozen plastic kits, and take up a quarter of the release schedule for a couple of years for a game that used to be maybe 10% of sales without getting asked for some really hard figures to justify that level of investment.

Specialist turned a £5 million profit last year. This has translated into more plastic resources and I would bet on Orks being greenlit for Titanicus (not that we'd get confirmation or leaks on that for a year or more, and won't see anything before 2021 I would guess), but bear in mind Specialist wanted to do Gothic this year and didn't because it would have taken everyone in specialist putting everything into that and forgetting BB, Necro, Titanicus and Shadespire.

Basically if people want to see Epic, it's time to get your titans, play some games, give GW feedback and show there is demand for it to justify that investment.

But I certainly see Aeronautica as being a possible brick in building the new epic, and GW should be encouraged to do a new shiny and easy to collect/play aeronautica that competes with things like X wing.

Well, FW are promising a big reveal at the Weekender.

Outside chance, sure. But still a chance.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, FW are promising a big reveal at the Weekender.

Outside chance, sure. But still a chance.

Big reveal is likely to be Sanguinius, and that the new guy they're put in charge of HH has done some work and that Book 8 might not be a dumpster fire.

If they're smart they'll do a new plastics deal for HH players, or something. They've finally done the 8th rules for Adeptus Custodes that they were told to do two years ago, so maybe they're starting to turn the Forgeworld ship around.

Specialist Games will be there. Tell them Titanicus is great and buy Andy Hoare a drink but not so many that he dies.

If I was paying attention properly to the Twitch feed last night, those Custodes rules were actually written by Jim Gallagher from the main Design Studio, not by members of the Forge World team. Although I'm sure there was input from them.

Ben2 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, FW are promising a big reveal at the Weekender.

Outside chance, sure. But still a chance.

If they're smart they'll do a new plastics deal for HH players, or something. They've finally done the 8th rules for Adeptus Custodes that they were told to do two years ago, so maybe they're starting to turn the Forgeworld ship around.

Having failed to purchase Calth or Prospero, I would jump at the chance for another big box of HH plastics.

Ben2 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Reprinting a whole battle report from a oop game in a separate booklet? It will certainly add fuel to the bring back Epic fire. And IIRC didn't that game include Squats? Maybe it is just a big old nostalgia shot from the WD team, but my inner conspiracy nut wonders if GW are prepping the ground for something

if they are going to bring back Epic they'll tell the new generation about it and see the response.

They've got the terrain and Imperial Knights and Titans done.

If they bring back Aeronautica in a couple of years they'll have the planes.

If they did Epic they might start with Marines vs Marines in the HH exactly like the original Epic and Adeptus Titanicus did.

Basically doing Epic to a modern standard is a project equal to at least the whole output for 40k for a year, and Specialist don't yet have the resources for that. So if they did it then they'd have to split it up so they can launch something, get a return on it, and test the market. Andy Hoare can't rock up to the CEOs office and ask for at least £15 mill to triple the size of Specialist games, produce several dozen plastic kits, and take up a quarter of the release schedule for a couple of years for a game that used to be maybe 10% of sales without getting asked for some really hard figures to justify that level of investment.

Specialist turned a £5 million profit last year. This has translated into more plastic resources and I would bet on Orks being greenlit for Titanicus (not that we'd get confirmation or leaks on that for a year or more, and won't see anything before 2021 I would guess), but bear in mind Specialist wanted to do Gothic this year and didn't because it would have taken everyone in specialist putting everything into that and forgetting BB, Necro, Titanicus and Shadespire.

Basically if people want to see Epic, it's time to get your titans, play some games, give GW feedback and show there is demand for it to justify that investment.

But I certainly see Aeronautica as being a possible brick in building the new epic, and GW should be encouraged to do a new shiny and easy to collect/play aeronautica that competes with things like X wing.

They could do hh epic tith rulebook and 2 plastic sprues

tneva82 wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Reprinting a whole battle report from a oop game in a separate booklet? It will certainly add fuel to the bring back Epic fire. And IIRC didn't that game include Squats? Maybe it is just a big old nostalgia shot from the WD team, but my inner conspiracy nut wonders if GW are prepping the ground for something

if they are going to bring back Epic they'll tell the new generation about it and see the response.

They've got the terrain and Imperial Knights and Titans done.

If they bring back Aeronautica in a couple of years they'll have the planes.

If they did Epic they might start with Marines vs Marines in the HH exactly like the original Epic and Adeptus Titanicus did.

Basically doing Epic to a modern standard is a project equal to at least the whole output for 40k for a year, and Specialist don't yet have the resources for that. So if they did it then they'd have to split it up so they can launch something, get a return on it, and test the market. Andy Hoare can't rock up to the CEOs office and ask for at least £15 mill to triple the size of Specialist games, produce several dozen plastic kits, and take up a quarter of the release schedule for a couple of years for a game that used to be maybe 10% of sales without getting asked for some really hard figures to justify that level of investment.

Specialist turned a £5 million profit last year. This has translated into more plastic resources and I would bet on Orks being greenlit for Titanicus (not that we'd get confirmation or leaks on that for a year or more, and won't see anything before 2021 I would guess), but bear in mind Specialist wanted to do Gothic this year and didn't because it would have taken everyone in specialist putting everything into that and forgetting BB, Necro, Titanicus and Shadespire.

Basically if people want to see Epic, it's time to get your titans, play some games, give GW feedback and show there is demand for it to justify that investment.

But I certainly see Aeronautica as being a possible brick in building the new epic, and GW should be encouraged to do a new shiny and easy to collect/play aeronautica that competes with things like X wing.

They could do hh epic tith rulebook and 2 plastic sprues

If they redo Epic, even just HH epic, then it'll have at a minimum the stuff from the Legion lists including the tanks and planes. It'll also be all plastic given the other things GW are doing.

It'll never be the two sprues of the original set.

For the starter box it would be, effectively.

One for Infantry. Tactical Marines, maybe some Heavy Support Squads, Terminators etc.

The other tanks. Land Raiders, Rhinos and Predators (all stuff which still exists in quantity in 40k, guess why)

Two sprues of Infantry per side, one sprue of Tanks per side (or the other way around).

Easypeasy.

Just noticed the Reaver command terminal packs and weapon card packs are listed as last chance to buy. What is the deal with this, isn't this an essential for people with lots of Reavers?

How many of each of this stuff comes in the GM box again? I'm not at home right now so can't check myself.

That's not last chanceto buy in traditional sense. Just stock level running low with more coming later


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For the starter box it would be, effectively.

One for Infantry. Tactical Marines, maybe some Heavy Support Squads, Terminators etc.

The other tanks. Land Raiders, Rhinos and Predators (all stuff which still exists in quantity in 40k, guess why)

Two sprues of Infantry per side, one sprue of Tanks per side (or the other way around).

Easypeasy.

Add in what thev have moulds already if they wish. 100% fine current style land raiders, predators, vindicators, rhino, aa vehicles. Dreads as well? They don#t even really need vehicle sprue.

Nor do thev need everything at once. Spread oup release would be name of game anyway. Or since when specialist game got everything at once? Not bb, not necro, not at. We still are waiting core items for at

tneva82 wrote:
That's not last chanceto buy in traditional sense. Just stock level running low with more coming later

It has a little hourglass icon which, when tapped upon, says "Last Chance to Buy" though.

Yes. Which is why i said it's not in traditional. Andy Hoare already mentioned restock

 TBD wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
That's not last chanceto buy in traditional sense. Just stock level running low with more coming later

It has a little hourglass icon which, when tapped upon, says "Last Chance to Buy" though.

I think its GW basically saying "should return but we might have a big lag time and thus don't know when and if it gets to be a long enough gap we might adapt or redesign" So they are going for a worst-case situation.

It could even be something daft like their back end of the store only has several states and this is the only one that stops their system pinging the manager with "order more order more" every day/hour.

I think they have it set up so that when items reach a certain stock level, the system checks to see if a re-order has been placed. If it has, nothing happens until the remaining stock sells through, when it gets labelled “temporarily out of stock” if the reordered stock hasn’t come in yet. On the other hand, if no-one has told the system that a reorder is coming (quite likely if someone in an interview is saying ‘we’re thinking about maybe doing that’) then it gets set LCTB.

So in all probability it’s just an automated system doing its job, not a personal insult.

As for why it’s set up like that? I wouldn’t trust an intern with the job, everyone else already has a real job, and it makes sense for their standard stock.

I'd be fairly meh about Epic making a comeback. But I would like to see some of the super heavy's in AT.

Yeah, super-heavy tank squadrons with rules similar to Knights, Centurio Ordinatus SPGs that manoeuvre like a Warlord but are the size of a Warhound and fast as a Reaver in a straight line, that sort of thing.

 Overread wrote:

 TBD wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
That's not last chanceto buy in traditional sense. Just stock level running low with more coming later

It has a little hourglass icon which, when tapped upon, says "Last Chance to Buy" though.

I think its GW basically saying "should return but we might have a big lag time and thus don't know when and if it gets to be a long enough gap we might adapt or redesign" So they are going for a worst-case situation.

It could even be something daft like their back end of the store only has several states and this is the only one that stops their system pinging the manager with "order more order more" every day/hour.

Actually went and looked at the card packs and terminals I just got and they are all made in China which I think is the norm for GW's printed materials. Given normal lead times and the delay of Chinese New Year, it could be that they're not expecting a restock for an extended period of time which could then run into a confusing time to be receiving overseas shipments (I am unsure if the orders go direct from China to overseas warehouses or to the UK first). It might be their hedge against a restock order not arriving for more then three months.

The other theory is that they're bringing printing in-house with their factory expansion which will take some time to get up to speed and thus cannot be put onto a concrete timeline.

Either would be fairly unusual circumstances that they might not want to make dramatic changes to their store software for nor make a formal announcement about since there's uncertainty, but still want to do some form of communication to the customer that now is the time to make a decision if they want to be certain they have things.

I preordered Titandeath and the Warlord Sprue from GW. Just got an email that says it should be to me by 2/5. I don't often preorder from GW, but in the past they've shipped before the release date and I've received on or at least close to release. The last two times I've ordered from them shipping has taken longer than their estimated 3-6 day window, resulting in receiving the items more than a week after the release date. Anyone else having this problem? It's pretty annoying to be honest.

They say it could take longer for folks on the west coast, but last I checked Colorado isn't anywhere near the coast and is in fact less than a days drive away from Memphis, so I have no clue why this is taking so long recently.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
And IIRC didn't that game include Squats? Maybe it is just a big old nostalgia shot from the WD team, but my inner conspiracy nut wonders if GW are prepping the ground for something

If you click the image of the battle report, then it appears that the battle report is, in fact, about Squats. It appears to be an Orks vs Squats battle.

To say I'm shocked is a bit of an understatement.

If there was ever a Warhammer army that needed an IP-protected post-Chapterhouse retronym it’s the Squats. Yikes.

 godswildcard wrote:
I preordered Titandeath and the Warlord Sprue from GW. Just got an email that says it should be to me by 2/5. I don't often preorder from GW, but in the past they've shipped before the release date and I've received on or at least close to release. The last two times I've ordered from them shipping has taken longer than their estimated 3-6 day window, resulting in receiving the items more than a week after the release date. Anyone else having this problem? It's pretty annoying to be honest.

They say it could take longer for folks on the west coast, but last I checked Colorado isn't anywhere near the coast and is in fact less than a days drive away from Memphis, so I have no clue why this is taking so long recently.

I have never got preorder item sent before launch day. Which is why i order any non-web only item from flgs. Faster that way. Especially as can take over 10 days to arrive to me. Grumble grumble

Also, if you utilize GW's 'free' shipping, the item is sent by FedEx SmartPost. This means it is transported part of the way by FedEx, then turned over to the PO for final delivery. The reality of this service is that you get what you pay for - FedEx and the PO generally treat SmartPost items only slightly better than diseased roadkill. Indifferent,sloppy service is the best you can expect from SmartPost shipped parcels.

Flicking through my new copy of Titan Death and of course I went straight to the accursed IK list so that I could seeth at in person. But the page before it(pg91) does confirm that other supplements will take a closer look at Knights. So viewing the list as a teaser for future content(fingers crossed) helps with the rage

Just as the reviews said the book is unfortunately super light on the background. On the plus side that means its not as expensive or as backbreaking/terrifying to transport as the HH black books.

You know, there’s something that’s been working on my mind since AT came out. And now I’ve got Titandeath in my hand (good supplement, well priced if you were wanting my opinion), I know what it is.

For a GW, let alone FW production, it’s pretty light on the old background, no? Not in a ‘I feel short changed’ way. Just a ‘I for one would’ve happily stumped up a bit more for extra background’.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

For a GW, let alone FW production, it’s pretty light on the old background, no? Not in a ‘I feel short changed’ way. Just a ‘I for one would’ve happily stumped up a bit more for extra background’.

A deep dive into the Beta Garmon background would have been great. Personally I wouldn't mind if GW did that in a separate release that was pure fluff and kept the rules to thinner books like Titan Death

Yeah, I could go for a ‘technical manual’ or ‘history text’ dealing with the Titan legions and their battles written entirely in-universe style but not as a novel.

 totalfailure wrote:
Also, if you utilize GW's 'free' shipping, the item is sent by FedEx SmartPost. This means it is transported part of the way by FedEx, then turned over to the PO for final delivery. The reality of this service is that you get what you pay for - FedEx and the PO generally treat SmartPost items only slightly better than diseased roadkill. Indifferent,sloppy service is the best you can expect from SmartPost shipped parcels.

You must work, or know someone that works in a field that's at least tangentially connected to delivery, I can't think of any other reason to know such and esoteric bit of info! (well, I suppose you could work in a business that's afflicted by an unusual number of SmartPost problems, I can't imagine a normal consumer would ever have the opportunity to learn this).


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, there’s something that’s been working on my mind since AT came out. And now I’ve got Titandeath in my hand (good supplement, well priced if you were wanting my opinion), I know what it is.

For a GW, let alone FW production, it’s pretty light on the old background, no? Not in a ‘I feel short changed’ way. Just a ‘I for one would’ve happily stumped up a bit more for extra background’.

As a non-gamer I pretty much feel this way about rulebooks, as in, "This book could stand to have less rules and more fluff", so I understand completely.


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GoatboyBeta wrote:

JWBS wrote:
[Yeah I know, but I think these guys are saying that they want it all codified and neatened up, as well as more comprehensive stuff added for the new Titan Death stuff. I agree, there's loads of info out there already, but even for us veterans it requires plenty of digging (ofc same could be said of the Ultramarines example I used, there's an absolute mountain of info from the past 25 years, but for newbies, when there's a new codex out that's generally all they need, no need to dig). Like I say I'm satisfied with the current state of the AT fluff, and I expect it to grow and solidify as the game grows.

The problem is that a two colour list is next to useless when it comes to IK paint schemes as most consist of at least three colours and vary wildly in there placement. Take for example Cadmus, who according to the list have a green/yellow heraldy. While that is true, it is no help in figuring out the shade of green and yellow used and gives no indication of the distribution of the colours as well as making no mention of the armour trim. Fortunately for anyone who is interested in painting IK's from house Cadmus they have been featured in every version of the 40k codex so far and there are plenty of examples. But the vast majority of Knight houses in the list have either zero existing examples of there colour schemes in existence, or are listed as having different schemes to any previously shown.

Imagine if the only info about pre Heresy World Eaters and Ultramarines was that they were bothe white and blue. Honestly it would have been better if they had just given the names. The heraldry part of the list just causes confusion, gnashing of teeth and internet rage.

Yes, I can see how this would be an irritation for a fluff nut. I'm a bit of a fluff nut myself (when I like the fluff, ie it's well written and compelling to read - when it isn't I just say "F it that's not for me"). I should clarify when I said in my other post that I like to "Just make stuff up", this is mainly to get my painting groove on. If I were ever to do a by-the-books faithful recreation of an existing element of the 40K universe (which I was seriously considering in the case of my Tempestus Legio), I'd want to make sure that I got most of it right. Not necessarily everything - If I decided I wanted my BA devastators to have red helmets instead of blue (I wouldn't, I like them with their blue heads, but if I did) I'd go ahead and paint them red. Hence my decision to paint up my off-brand Tempestus. Maybe they're Tempestus, maybe not, maybe they're some sort of secretive hitherto unknown specialist Maniple that's painted blue / grey instead of blue / off-white. The fact is I like Tempestus and Tempestus colours but I don't do well painting white, however I get on great with light grey, so that's what I'm going with. I have some flexibility with this stuff is what I suppose I'm trying to say, and aesthetics trumps fluff in most cases for me.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Flicking through my new copy of Titan Death and of course I went straight to the accursed IK list so that I could seeth at in person. But the page before it(pg91) does confirm that other supplements will take a closer look at Knights. So viewing the list as a teaser for future content(fingers crossed) helps with the rage

Just as the reviews said the book is unfortunately super light on the background. On the plus side that means its not as expensive or as backbreaking/terrifying to transport as the HH black books.

The ease of carry is certainly plus. Titans are already pretty annoying to haul around along with terminals, cards, templates etc. If rulebook and n supplements(2 per year so next year around this time potentially 3 supplements to haul around...) would be big and heavy...

Would be nice for some fluff available though but wonder if separate books would sell enough to justify?

Thing is if they’re just fluff, e.g. a technical manual describing how to operate your Warhound, they can be sold through BL as coffeee table books, which means potentially getting them into high street shops.

Just got mine this morning and although its not exactly what I expected I am quite happy with it, now to decide whether to buy a second reaver or not, looks like its the only way I might get some weapons.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Thing is if they’re just fluff, e.g. a technical manual describing how to operate your Warhound, they can be sold through BL as coffeee table books, which means potentially getting them into high street shops.

They could do one of those Haynes guidebooks, like they have for things like the Enterprise, Millennium Falcon, and Tardis.

 Rayvon wrote:
Just got mine this morning and although its not exactly what I expected I am quite happy with it, now to decide whether to buy a second reaver or not, looks like its the only way I might get some weapons.

What weapons? The melta reaver weapons? Those will come later on their own just like warlord did. This has already been confirmed by GW.

For future next supplement looks to be about knights so maybe the big knight and variant cerastus come around that time. Maybe also separate additional weapons for questors so you don't need to buy 6 boxes to get 6 battle cannons? Here's hoping!

Given the pricing of these sprues, it will probably make sense to 'just buy another Reaver' then, especially if you 'only' have one Reaver at that point...

I was not sure if the sprue had been confirmed.

I guess I will be better off buying another Reaver from somewhere with a discount if the pricing is going to be priced anything like the warlord sprue and direct only.

I had a dream last night that the siege of Terra was going to be accompanied by the re release of epic, I awoke all excited until i realised, how sad is that !

 Alpharius wrote:
Given the pricing of these sprues, it will probably make sense to 'just buy another Reaver' then, especially if you 'only' have one Reaver at that point...

Only issue would be only 1 old weapon sprue which is very good. Reaver 2 meanwhile suffers from not having any good shield strippers.


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 Rayvon wrote:
I was not sure if the sprue had been confirmed.

I guess I will be better off buying another Reaver from somewhere with a discount if the pricing is going to be priced anything like the warlord sprue and direct only.

I had a dream last night that the siege of Terra was going to be accompanied by the re release of epic, I awoke all excited until i realised, how sad is that !

Community article said already last year when they announced separate warlord sprue that same applies to reaver

He’s a decent damage multiplier though. Well suited to running with the Hounds.

Problem is if reaver depends on others to drop shields what happens if other titan can't do job? Say by being targeted with heavy fire.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HH-WKDR-2019-Schedule1-1.pdf Looks like Sunday is the day for any big news on the AT front.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HH-WKDR-2019-Schedule1-1.pdf Looks like Sunday is the day for any big news on the AT front.

Something about terrain, perhaps?

Plenty things that could be announced. Warbringer to AT scale, big knight(polyph....whatever). Additional knight weapons for questors and cerastus. Guess name/theme of supplement #2 for fall would be bit too early still?

We'll probably get at least a hint as to what the next supplement will be, maybe just a title, but yeah, I expect (hope?) that it will be something significantly more than that too!

Reckon we’ll at least see new weapons previewed. Unless they’re announcing a short delay to have them made as a sprue instead of resin?

Definitely hoping for at least concept sketches or art for further classes of Titan. Maybe even word if the literary mentioned lighter classes can be swapped into Maniples in place for Warhounds.

I would imagine the start of the hype for the next titan and or knight type to release and showing some resin weapons.

Well Andy has already hinted at knights. ATM it's safe to say knight heavy supplement would be in order(which also could explain why titandeath was light on that area. There's more dedicated one coming later)


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And as long as next weapons to be released have word "gatling" in them I'm fine!

(dying to get the gatling weapons, both arm and carapace, for warlord to finish up my fav configuration. Especially now that mortis made that all the more sweeter...)

I would be stoked for more knight variant weapons/bits - as soon as AT knights were announced i wanted to have AT scale versions of all my titans.

One thing that has bugged me though is the lack of the 'bare faced' questoris head - this fool insisted on 'bare faced' household...

Next month's White Dwarf is going to have a new Titan-Knight maniple...maybe they have a new type of Knight to coincide?

I would like that very much!
i could see a bits pack for acheron and castigator weapons, hull/pauldrons and ammo hopper/fuel drums doing well coming out as the theorised knight banner expansion does what with the flamer rules an' a'

GoatboyBeta wrote:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HH-WKDR-2019-Schedule1-1.pdf Looks like Sunday is the day for any big news on the AT front.

I'm not seeing anything here that says "big announcement."

I agree that they'll tease something, but I'm not expecting anything earth shattering.

Given the WD article, some Knight related thing would make sense - weapon pack?

 schoon wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HH-WKDR-2019-Schedule1-1.pdf Looks like Sunday is the day for any big news on the AT front.

I'm not seeing anything here that says "big announcement."

I agree that they'll tease something, but I'm not expecting anything earth shattering.

Given the WD article, some Knight related thing would make sense - weapon pack?

Think he meant that as in "if there's big news about AT it's on sunday so don't be clicking F5 all day saturday".

But for sure they are going to be announcing what will be coming in near future(say this year). Unless future of AT is "this was it, all there will be is already out. Have fun" but that contradicts previous hints so certainly after sunday we have something else to look out for now that titandeath and variant plastic weapons are all out

I'd like to have all the weapon options, please.

Really not fussed about Knights.

apparently WD has unique maniple for knights

1 warlord, 2 reavers, 1 questor or cerastus knight banner.
Optional 2 warhounds, 1 questor or cerastus knight banner.

titans get -1 to be hit from ranged attacks while within 6" of knight banner, and Knights get a look out sire for hits against the titan, but knights need to be in LoS of the attack and the knights can not gain obscured by terrain. I think its kind of meh, Janissary is a better knight focused maniple, this one is kind of expensive for a 1 turn meat shield that will be removed with a single volcano canon.

I think I would have preferred the benefit the other way around and let knights hide behind titans

Single volcano isn't removing full banner if you position correctly. Also terrain can be used to advantage there.

Also i'm not sold on janissor. It affects only movement phase where bonus is lesser than if had been combat phase and can be detrimental easil?

If you're using a titan to act as mobile cover for a banner it allows the knights to follow along without being completely exposed while your opponent activates...

MarkNorfolk wrote:
If you're using a titan to act as mobile cover for a banner it allows the knights to follow along without being completely exposed while your opponent activates...

Janissar? That works in movement phase. Thus by the time combat phase happens mobile cover already is in place. Not to mention simply moving along same direction or cover.

The disadvantage is lot bigger.

tneva82 wrote:

Think he meant that as in "if there's big news about AT it's on sunday so don't be clicking F5 all day saturday".

Yeah that was the intention. Not that we wont all be mashing F5 anyway. There is always the chance that something will slip out

GoatboyBeta wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Think he meant that as in "if there's big news about AT it's on sunday so don't be clicking F5 all day saturday".

Yeah that was the intention. Not that we wont all be mashing F5 anyway. There is always the chance that something will slip out

Bwahaha true enough Maybe server crashesh and reveals info too soon ;-)

Have to say I'm curious what sunday reveals. Until this we had always idea what to wait for. Now apart from last few weapons mostly for warlord we are fairly much dark. Nothing to wait feels weird

Just had a read of the WD AT article. The vassal houses sound interesting from a background perspective, and are a good excuse to use a Legio's colours on your little guys. But not to sure how useful the maniple is compered to the existing rules though.

There is a lot of potential for the background to bleed into the "main" 30k and 40k games, even if its just as an excuse to use a Legio colour scheme(would go well with FW's Secutari kits). Hopefully the concept sticks around and gets expanded on in future AT books

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Just had a read of the WD AT article. The vassal houses sound interesting from a background perspective, and are a good excuse to use a Legio's colours on your little guys. But not to sure how useful the maniple is compered to the existing rules though.

There is a lot of potential for the background to bleed into the "main" 30k and 40k games, even if its just as an excuse to use a Legio colour scheme(would go well with FW's Secutari kits). Hopefully the concept sticks around and gets expanded on in future AT books

Oh that sounds good, we can tie in our Knights with a colour scheme that fits well with our Legio (I was probably going to do something like this anyway and say they're from the same world / system and have a strong connection, but I like that they've apparently made an official bit of fluff for this).

Well thank goodness for that cos my Hounds'n'lancers are in the same scheme!

Listened to the Horus Heresy Weekender preview this morning on Twitch, hoping for a little information on AT18.

However, it looks like they plan to showcase the new Reaver model as opposed to emphasizing future stuff.

They could end up pulling out a surprise, but I suspect it will be a "rehash" weekend for AT18 news.

That's a bit disappointing.

 schoon wrote:
Listened to the Horus Heresy Weekender preview this morning on Twitch, hoping for a little information on AT18.

However, it looks like they plan to showcase the new Reaver model as opposed to emphasizing future stuff.

They could end up pulling out a surprise, but I suspect it will be a "rehash" weekend for AT18 news.

Playing devil's advocate here -- if they were going to make a reveal at the Weekender, they wouldn't spoil it days earlier on a Twitch stream, right? IIRC, there's a seminar about the future of AT, which you'd think would include something more than the Reaver model.

Yep. I very much doubt they would reveal everything on "future of AT" topic days before actual conference. After all why bother going to the seminar if you already know all they are going to reveal...They want people to go and spend money. Not find out all they want by listening free video.

Not saying there's huge amount of things coming but if new reaver already out is all there is in seminar titled "future of AT" then I'm stunned. Specialist games have shown generally good sense so naming seminar like it's about future if it's only about single already released item would be uncharacteristically stupid.

I reckon they will stun us with a brand new set of Traitor-themed dice...

No I want a 1 hour seminar of them just talking about the alternate reaver for a full hour it would amuse me greatly

I also listened to yesterday’s stream. They decided to show the reaver on the stream as it is a recent release. The weekender will be new stuff.

 Mothman wrote:
No I want a 1 hour seminar of them just talking about the alternate reaver for a full hour it would amuse me greatly

Actually, it would be funny to watch them try that.

"So are there any questions about the Reaver titan's rightmost toe before we move onto the left knee articulation?" Lots of uncomfortable silence follows.

It'd be kinda like the legendary Andy Kaufman bit where he washed his laundry onstage then left.

Would also result in lots of angry customers no doubt demanding refund. I know I would be if instead of "future of AT" as per seminar title I would have to listen hour talk about week old release!

 gorgon wrote:

 Mothman wrote:
No I want a 1 hour seminar of them just talking about the alternate reaver for a full hour it would amuse me greatly

Actually, it would be funny to watch them try that.

"So are there any questions about the Reaver titan's rightmost toe before we move onto the left knee articulation?" Lots of uncomfortable silence follows.

And then to finish it up they'd ask if everyone in attendance had mobile phones.

Looks like 2 more titan boards coming up this weekend(see FW thread)

tneva82 wrote:
Looks like 2 more titan boards coming up this weekend(see FW thread)

Thats good because Forgeworld needs SOMETHING titanicus to sell on their site!

Well soon also macro gatling blasters and quake cannons

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It might just be the paint scheme but those new buildings look like they are home to a Disney princess...

 Commander Cain wrote:
It might just be the paint scheme but those new buildings look like they are home to a Disney princess...

“Beauty and the Beast... arises”

“I can show you the world... eaters”

Snow White.... Scars
Shere (Jaghatai) Khan
Everybody Wants to be a Cat (aphracti) Terminator

Hmmmmm.

I may be picking up a third Warlord after all...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmmmm.

I may be picking up a third Warlord after all...

Why? That's not new plastic sprue but resin weapons. Likely these will be on their own 1 weapon at time from fw site. Unlikely fw starts selling on their site combo plastic/resin kit

Can’t get the Arms off the first one I glued, so could do with a third ‘blank’ Chassis,

Ok great. The quake and gatling cannons look good. I'll hold off on conversions and wait for those to come out. I wonder if any carapace weapons have been done.

Not really a fan of the new buildings. A tower that switches from octagonal to to hexagonal half way up is offensive, but that's probably no big deal to most non-architects I guess. It's too late to change my Astorum guys to Krytos to cleans this abomination.

Couple of alternate pics of the new weapons.

Hopefully release date isn't too far off! And that there's some new carapace weapons coming soon as well. In particular gatling blasters!

Yep I need those new guns in my life.

 Commander Cain wrote:
It might just be the paint scheme but those new buildings look like they are home to a Disney princess...

Now there is an idea for a banner of freeblades

What is that gun that isn’t the gattler?

Mori Quake Cannon I think.

Mori Quake Cannon indeed. As expected, it is relatively similar to the design of the 28mm Warbringer Nemesis one.

It feels like my wallet will die a thousand deaths (again ...)

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Mori Quake Cannon indeed. As expected, it is relatively similar to the design of the 28mm Warbringer Nemesis one.

It feels like my wallet will die a thousand deaths (again ...)

It SHOULD be similar seeing they are supposed to be pretty much identical. Both mounting warlord scale quake cannon.

Awww, boo. I was hoping the Quake Cannon would be a revolver like the Nemesis version.

I like the new terrain. Just need to sprinkle the spires and such around, methinks. Bunch them up too much and it does look a little Disneyland.

Great to see more weapons but I havent picked up the first weapon sprue yet due to its price...Was kind of surprised they put its cost as high as they did and it somewhat threw me off the hypetrain ive been on since release :/
With the Titandeath supplement being pretty lackluster as well I just have a bad feeling about this right now...

Soulless wrote:
Great to see more weapons but I havent picked up the first weapon sprue yet due to its price...Was kind of surprised they put its cost as high as they did and it somewhat threw me off the hypetrain ive been on since release :/
With the Titandeath supplement being pretty lackluster as well I just have a bad feeling about this right now...

To be fair, the price of the sprue isn't technically unreasonable as a proportion of the full price of a Warlord. The problem is we can buy the Warlord at 25% off the full price, but the sprue is direct-only.

Do we think that they'll ever allow a Warlord to have 4 different weapons?

Maybe as a special character or maniple bonus or something?

(And yes, I haven't cracked the rulebook yet, so apologies if this is already allowed!)

 Alpharius wrote:
Do we think that they'll ever allow a Warlord to have 4 different weapons?

Maybe as a special character or maniple bonus or something?

(And yes, I haven't cracked the rulebook yet, so apologies if this is already allowed!)

Not unless they release completely redesigned Terminals - they only have room for three weapon cards(left, right, carapace).

Nice to see more weapons on the way, resin or not I am just happy to see them.


Not a fan of the scenery again though, thats the only part about AT I am not keen on, small multi part buildings and crappy over priced tiles, It doesn't look like you will get much LOS blocking done with just one box.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Do we think that they'll ever allow a Warlord to have 4 different weapons?

Maybe as a special character or maniple bonus or something?

(And yes, I haven't cracked the rulebook yet, so apologies if this is already allowed!)

Not unless they release completely redesigned Terminals - they only have room for three weapon cards(left, right, carapace).

They could just release new carapace cards with various pairings of weapons.

I wish you could mix carapace weapons in 28mm scale as well.

 Rayvon wrote:
Nice to see more weapons on the way, resin or not I am just happy to see them.


Not a fan of the scenery again though, thats the only part about AT I am not keen on, small multi part buildings and crappy over priced tiles, It doesn't look like you will get much LOS blocking done with just one box.

Just get this instead.

Hopefully new FW Knight (Mechanicum Acastus Knight Asterius ) get scaled down and plasticised soon



as I need a bunch to use as robots

 Malika2 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Nice to see more weapons on the way, resin or not I am just happy to see them.


Not a fan of the scenery again though, thats the only part about AT I am not keen on, small multi part buildings and crappy over priced tiles, It doesn't look like you will get much LOS blocking done with just one box.

Just get this instead.

Hmm looks interesting though need 3/4 of one set to have one warlord blocking building. Probably somewhat cheaper than SG ones but still expensive.

Those buildings are growing on me actually the more I look at them, I just wish they were a little taller. I hate to think how much a full board of those tiles would set me back if I lived down under.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hopefully new FW Knight (Mechanicum Acastus Knight Asterius ) get scaled down and plasticised soon



as I need a bunch to use as robots

He looks quite snazzy.

 Rayvon wrote:
Those buildings are growing on me actually the more I look at them, I just wish they were a little taller. I hate to think how much a full board of those tiles would set me back if I lived down under.

I bought one of the big boxes, then instead of buying the other five I'd need to make a full table with decent terrain density I spent a third that much on a vacuum chamber. Will be a lot easier to make large structures once I combine multiple plastic components into large "tiles" and cast them. If it's good enough for GW...

The resin Warlord weapons are very welcome, as is the new Civitas box - I wonder if that one is plastic?

 schoon wrote:
The resin Warlord weapons are very welcome, as is the new Civitas box - I wonder if that one is plastic?

The terrain is plastic, as seen from the pictures.

Well today should be interesting day to hear what "future of AT" seminar holds. Hopefully good news are out by the time I finish soon to begin epic level battle!

Yup. Hankering for that one in particular.

Mostly because we’re moving into uncharted waters. We know the classic stuff is coming, and we’re just missing some weapon systems. So the road ahead is unknown, which is rather exciting!

Grand Master Edition returning. From M R Parker at B&C

Adeptus Titanicus Grand Master re-release, but again for a limited time. Release schedule tbd

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From Garro

Posted on AT FB group:

The last of the two realm of battle boards coming out (for now) gamma and delta. They’re deliberately designed to limit Titan movement in places to make the game as tactical as it should be.

Reaver upgrade sprue. Sold separately due to popular demand ?? *extensive feedback* ??

New buildings. 2 sets, designed to fit existing buildings. First set is just spires. Second set includes base set. Strong likelihood of more terrain.

Legio Fureans transfers. Fureans has Madaxia knights on theirs. On decal sheets - mortis and gryphons were the most popular legios at 28mm scale so went first. Got what they thought was a year of stock and we bought it out in a month. Good work all!

Next expansion! Doom of Moloch. Follows the events of Vengeful Spirit. Narrative scenarios and 4 more Legios. Rules for fielding a knight household - no Titans!

Legios in DoM - Crucius (Warmongers), Fortidus (Dauntless), Vulcanum (Dark Fire/Lords I’d Ruin), Interfector (Murder Lords)

Vulcanum are weird, two Legios on one FW. Weird things with their princeps.

Possibility, no promise, of a large A4 sheet of transfers to cover a number of the more minor Titan Legios. *speculation in Seminar, do not assume will be coming*

7 Knight houses covered including Devine. Will have special rules for each Household. Each Knight world (like Moloch) could have a number of households on it. Allows you to build the household along the lines of the predefined ones or you can pick a couple rules to define your Baron or high Seneshal.

Knight Strategems. And can be played against knights or titans. Plus Strategems!

Knight carapace weapons were meant to be on the plastic sprue but couldn’t fit! Will be coming soon.

Re-release of the Grand Master edition. Huge logistical operation to put together. Won’t be a permanent thing, if you want it get it while it’s there.

Resin weapons, being done by Blake. You get the whole arm so you can magnitise them. Individually available, not in sets as per the Contemptor etc. All weapon options will be available. Quake Cannon and Macro Blaster first up.

CARAPACE GATLING BLASTERS!!! REAVER VULCANS! WARP MISSILES! Missile is removable to track once it’s been fired. 2-3 months time. Designed 5-6 missiles, will likely get new rules for other missile types.

What’s next?

More campaign books. Pick something iconic and go with that as a jump off point. Calth would be a good one, Mars would be a likely choice too. Terra... obviously but will be a build up.

Legio/Household heraldry and special rules. Massive spreadsheet of STUFF!

Continued releases of plastic kits for knights, titans and terrain.

Entire spectrum of titans from Rapier upwards which might get covered. Light battle Titan between hound and reaver, maybe a heavy battle Titan.... Warbringer mentioned. Both plastic and resin potential due to expanded specialist games team.






Designs of knights and titans deliberately future proofed for different panelling; mechanicum, traitor, mutated... all that good stuff.

Themed dice - just beyond the 3 month window to be shown. Not Legio specific but loyalist/traitor

Other accessories. Terminals etc. The terminals out of stock is purely down to selling too well *shakes fist* but will be coming soon.

New weapons.... existing and brand new. Knight stuff too!

Resin weapons <£20 at a guess, not gospel. Not finalised yet.

App for terminals etc - one of Andy’s first thoughts for the game. Ultimately not enough resource on the App Team. Comes down to demand so get emails in to GW if you want it.

New:

Ordo Sinister likely in the book after Moloch. Will likely get expanded out to cover reaver and the like, not just the 25 Warlords they had in Prospero times.

Special Character titans (rather than just princeps and crews) and alternative princeps.

If they did an Imperator it would be about the size of the 40k scale Reaver.... don’t hold your breath.

Audax and Ursus Claws are basically a shoe in. Just need to get final sign off past Tony...

On the Epic discussion. The Titanicus rules as they stand is designed for titans only but doesn’t mean the game can’t evolve in the future to include a broader scope. The intent of the game at the moment is very much to give players the sense of piloting a Titan. There *may* be expansions later on to deal with this.

Definitely some more modular bunkers similar to the Strategems currently available.

Organic terrain - mountains etc and well... ultimately comes down to cost. A mountain is a large chunk of resin you can make out of foam or rocks in the garden. If they do anything it would be themed terrain that you could then integrate into natural structures etc. Demo pods and seminars or a masterclass book to cover these things is a possibility.

More Realm of Battle boards are a possibility. Just need a Phil 2.0 to design them!

Titan Legio specific equipment conversion packs - gryphons motor reactive etc. Likely to come after the generic weapon upgrades. Along side unique panelling and heads etc. Likely going to come alongside the thematic books with the Legios.

Design your own Legio ruleset - definitely a possibility... something like the old Heresy rules for time before your Legion had rules. A Titan Crusade option. Possibly a WD article.

40k scale knights and new stuff being carried across is a very real possibility. Just down to resource, time and priority. Armigers etc.

Cerastus pattern knights - plans to do the other patterns in the future. Not in the next few months but not too far. Possibly plastics.

Lovely stuff

Here’s hoping the carapace Weapons are out before long!

All that I could hope to hear and then some! Awesome.

The warp missile rack looks bad-ass.

Would like to have seen concepts of new Titans to be fair. But to see stuff being filled in in the range is pretty much just as good.


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Ahhh! According to Warhammer Community, all the weapon sprues will be available separately.

Which is nice.

A 40k reaver sized model would be far too large for an imperator. Even the same amount of material as a warhound would be too much, scaled to existing artwork it would be the size of a 40k knight plus a bit more height from the spires.

 xttz wrote:

Entire spectrum of titans from Rapier upwards which might get covered. Light battle Titan between hound and reaver, maybe a heavy battle Titan.... Warbringer mentioned. Both plastic and resin potential due to expanded specialist games team.

Well if Necromunda can get plastic Ambots…..

Still, no sneek peak of any new engines is a shame. But if GW's three month window for previews is still in effect, then everything that was shown should be out fairly soon.

That’s a good point.

Time to prime the cash Cannon I think

The new terrain did seem to be ready to go at a moment's notice (boxes printed and everything!).

Ok, I want all of those weapons for AT, and bring on the reaver carapace mounts for 28mm!

changemod wrote:
A 40k reaver sized model would be far too large for an imperator. Even the same amount of material as a warhound would be too much, scaled to existing artwork it would be the size of a 40k knight plus a bit more height from the spires.

Uuuh no. Imperator is nearly twice the size of warlord. Warlord is already near the 40k knight size. 40k reaver might be too big but it should tower over 40k knight.

55.5 metres for imperator, 32 for warlord. So measuring up warlord standing on my table it would be around 23-24cm long vs 16cm or so that the 40k knight on my table is.

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:
A 40k reaver sized model would be far too large for an imperator. Even the same amount of material as a warhound would be too much, scaled to existing artwork it would be the size of a 40k knight plus a bit more height from the spires.

Uuuh no. Imperator is nearly twice the size of warlord. Warlord is already near the 40k knight size. 40k reaver might be too big but it should tower over 40k knight.

55.5 metres for imperator, 32 for warlord. So measuring up warlord standing on my table it would be around 23-24cm long vs 16cm or so that the 40k knight on my table is.

Like I said, plus a bit for the spires.

I’d also use the current artwork for scale over the inconsistent numerical figures, but either way the shoulders of an imperator would be roughly dominus height, barely above a questoris knight.

The 40k Acastus is probably the right size for an AT Imperator.

Edit: I wonder if we'll see this next book by the end of April, saying as they usually stick pretty closely to a 3 month preview window. In fact the specifically mentioned not showing themed dice because they're just outside that window.

changemod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:
A 40k reaver sized model would be far too large for an imperator. Even the same amount of material as a warhound would be too much, scaled to existing artwork it would be the size of a 40k knight plus a bit more height from the spires.

Uuuh no. Imperator is nearly twice the size of warlord. Warlord is already near the 40k knight size. 40k reaver might be too big but it should tower over 40k knight.

55.5 metres for imperator, 32 for warlord. So measuring up warlord standing on my table it would be around 23-24cm long vs 16cm or so that the 40k knight on my table is.

Like I said, plus a bit for the spires.

I’d also use the current artwork for scale over the inconsistent numerical figures, but either way the shoulders of an imperator would be roughly dominus height, barely above a questoris knight.

Art is far less reliable than good old statistical numbers. According to art warlords are size of mountains...

And size of imperator vs warlord is bit more than just spires and warlord is already around size of knight so it's bit more than "bit more". Put in reaver top of warlord and you have about size of imperator.

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:
A 40k reaver sized model would be far too large for an imperator. Even the same amount of material as a warhound would be too much, scaled to existing artwork it would be the size of a 40k knight plus a bit more height from the spires.

Uuuh no. Imperator is nearly twice the size of warlord. Warlord is already near the 40k knight size. 40k reaver might be too big but it should tower over 40k knight.

55.5 metres for imperator, 32 for warlord. So measuring up warlord standing on my table it would be around 23-24cm long vs 16cm or so that the 40k knight on my table is.

Like I said, plus a bit for the spires.

I’d also use the current artwork for scale over the inconsistent numerical figures, but either way the shoulders of an imperator would be roughly dominus height, barely above a questoris knight.

Art is far less reliable than good old statistical numbers. According to art warlords are size of mountains...

And size of imperator vs warlord is bit more than just spires and warlord is already around size of knight so it's bit more than "bit more". Put in reaver top of warlord and you have about size of imperator.

The current art, as I said. You know, the stuff that represents the current artistic direction GW are taking with titans, as opposed to the old, often conflicting information?

And no, Warlords are smaller than knights. Roughly a mid point between an Armiger and a full height.

Further, your analogy there lines up with what I’ve been saying almost perfectly. A reaver standing on a warlord’s shoulders would be perfectly consistent in size with a dominus-sized model with spires extending from it’s shoulders. Heck, that might even be a little too short.

You are aware that the spires wouldn’t take up very much plastic or resin compared to a full body being extended up to the same height, right?

Do we really need a pissing contest over the scale of fictional robots that aren't even being made yet?

Can we not just be happy about the cool new things we are getting?

This...is....internet!

Also, pretty cool seeing lots of support for AT. Just a bummer it's priced too high for me to get into alongside the other games I currently support.

 xttz wrote:
Do we really need a pissing contest over the scale of fictional robots that aren't even being made yet?

Can we not just be happy about the cool new things we are getting?

Agreed. Especially this weekend when people are paying extra attention to the thread for news from the weekender.

changemod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

changemod wrote:
A 40k reaver sized model would be far too large for an imperator. Even the same amount of material as a warhound would be too much, scaled to existing artwork it would be the size of a 40k knight plus a bit more height from the spires.

Uuuh no. Imperator is nearly twice the size of warlord. Warlord is already near the 40k knight size. 40k reaver might be too big but it should tower over 40k knight.

55.5 metres for imperator, 32 for warlord. So measuring up warlord standing on my table it would be around 23-24cm long vs 16cm or so that the 40k knight on my table is.

Like I said, plus a bit for the spires.

I’d also use the current artwork for scale over the inconsistent numerical figures, but either way the shoulders of an imperator would be roughly dominus height, barely above a questoris knight.

Art is far less reliable than good old statistical numbers. According to art warlords are size of mountains...

And size of imperator vs warlord is bit more than just spires and warlord is already around size of knight so it's bit more than "bit more". Put in reaver top of warlord and you have about size of imperator.

The current art, as I said. You know, the stuff that represents the current artistic direction GW are taking with titans, as opposed to the old, often conflicting information?

And no, Warlords are smaller than knights. Roughly a mid point between an Armiger and a full height.

Further, your analogy there lines up with what I’ve been saying almost perfectly. A reaver standing on a warlord’s shoulders would be perfectly consistent in size with a dominus-sized model with spires extending from it’s shoulders. Heck, that might even be a little too short.

You are aware that the spires wouldn’t take up very much plastic or resin compared to a full body being extended up to the same height, right?

40k knight on my table is 16cm. Warlord that's kneeling down 14cm. So warlord plus reaver is 8cm taller than 40k knight. Lot more than 40k knight. 50% taller infact. You are underestimating imperator or your "bit more" is odd. 50% taller is bit more? Lol

tneva82 wrote:
40k knight on my table is 16cm. Warlord that's kneeling down 14cm. So warlord plus reaver is 8cm taller than 40k knight. Lot more than 40k knight. 50% taller infact. You are underestimating imperator or your "bit more" is odd. 50% taller is bit more? Lol

I have no idea what you mean by “kneeling down”, a Titanicus warlord is absolutely shorter than a 40k knight when both stand straight, and considerably less bulky.

You appear to be confusing height for size, which is in three dimensions. A 40k warhound is substantially larger than a 40k knight, not merely taller. A body the size of a Dominus knight would not be anywhere close to the bulk of a warhound, even with it’s shoulder guns being housed in a set of decorative spires that account for over a third of it’s total height.

Yes, an imperator’s total size would exceed a Knight and likely require an entire extra sprue, but to compare it to a Reaver is absolutely ludicrous.

Can you take that discussion to another thread?