If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.
How about a copy and paste here on Dakka, so I can read it without being blocked by my work filters, please and thank you
Here it is:
natfka wrote:
Now that we are aware of what models are coming, lets take a look at the new anti-air of the Space Marines. There is a new box set that you can build either variant, the Space Marine Stalker or the Space Marine Hunter
Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The Space Marine Stalker
Comes with a Icarus Stormcannon Array. Both of these turrets can move independently, and can shoot at two targets at once. Both turrets are three barreled guns.
Space Marine Hunter
Fires a Skyspear Missile from a large single barrel.
Both tanks have several side stabilizers and appear to more heavily armoured along the front and sides. (no stats)
3 LasCannon shots at 2 targets each. Ha. If that has Interceptor as well. Double ha.
Noone said they are lascannon shots ... I wish They are "stormcannons" ... Time will tell if they are worth it
True. I saw the Icarus and my mind made up the rest! Although a new cannon!? Wonder if that will fall at Str8, in between the Auto and Las?
I think Krak missiles have that ground covered, but I don't know what else it could be.
Any word on what the chapter tactics will be like? Will it be similar to 4th edition (for generic characters too), or more 5th Edition (special characters)? One of the rumors said that there were chapter tactics in the codex, but no specifics were said.
honestly, my pocket may not be happy about it, but i'm glad they are doing seperate Vanguard and Sternguard boxes...
if you look at the present kits, the Vanguard are leaping, while the Sternguard are standing still or striding forward...
one kit, or the other, would have had to suffer...
i wan't my Vanguard dynamic, buti don't know about leaping Sternguard...
at least, between both kits, we will have a lot of cool new bits...
looks like the last few discounters around will be busy next month...
OMFG!! Why does no one have the cohones to put up the pics?! Is GW really that scary? Couldn't someone just give the pics to a friend to post? It's not like you'll end up in Russia with Snoden.
jspyd3rx wrote: OMFG!! Why does no one have the cohones to put up the pics?! Is GW really that scary? Couldn't someone just give the pics to a friend to post? It's not like you'll end up in Russia with Snoden.
A couple of blurry pictures of plastic models is worth getting fired? Riiiiiiight....
Anyone else wondering what on earth the centurions are there for?
I mean what will they bring to the army that they dont already have?
The assault versions seem to be just like the chaos marine maulers, nobody ever takes them.
So why should I take 3 beefed up assault marines at almost landraider cost when I can take a hammernator squad?
Why take three shooty things when there are devastators?
I´m guessing they will cost 80-ish points a piece, come with 2A and 2W (possibly 3w). So why should I take that over 10 bodies that come with 4 heavy weapons and dont die from 1-2 lance hits? The hellturkey threat is already diminished and will be more so with the aaa tanks.
I'm sure they will have some kind of role that is relevant to the codex. They may not end up the best at it, but they probably won't be useless. Most of the new units, excluding the wraithknight, have been very good to moderately priced.
jspyd3rx wrote: OMFG!! Why does no one have the cojones to put up the pics?! Is GW really that scary? Couldn't someone just give the pics to a friend to post? It's not like you'll end up in Russia with Snowden.
A couple of blurry pictures of plastic models is worth getting fired? Riiiiiiight....
Nope. But some clear pictures would be worth someone else getting fired.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
Centurion Devastator Squad
These guys come with guns mounted into the sides of their chest plates, not to mention that they are carrying even more guns. Under both fists, they can carry Heavy Bolters, Lascannons, or Grav-Cannons. While their chests sports an array of either Hurricane Bolters or Missile Launcher. Whoa.... that is some amazing firepower.
Centurion Devastator Squad
These guys come with Siege Drills on each arm, with either flamer or melta attachments. While this alone would be a tremendous amount of firepower, they too come with chest mounted Hurricane Bolters or Ironclad Assault Launcher. If you were curious which models you need to shoot at first, these qualify with extreme prejudice.
With this amount of firepower they might actully be worth the points (depends on what points) I hope they have a good stats line too.
Pyriel- wrote: Anyone else wondering what on earth the centurions are there for?
I mean what will they bring to the army that they dont already have?
The assault versions seem to be just like the chaos marine maulers, nobody ever takes them.
So why should I take 3 beefed up assault marines at almost landraider cost when I can take a hammernator squad?
Why take three shooty things when there are devastators?
I´m guessing they will cost 80-ish points a piece, come with 2A and 2W (possibly 3w). So why should I take that over 10 bodies that come with 4 heavy weapons and dont die from 1-2 lance hits? The hellturkey threat is already diminished and will be more so with the aaa tanks.
Instead of buffing Devastators to be usable they replace them with the tactical Centurions. Instead of making Dreadnoughts better and changing their crippling Walker status to Monstrous Creatuer or something along those lines, assault Centurions are replacing Ironclad Dreadnoughts.
Why no helmets?? Seems like a waste of time putting on gigamarine armor and going helmetless? I am hoping a headswap will help with the look of the armor, and that the devastator version looks better. Cant see them being very fast as they look quite wadly.
Liquid Squid wrote: I'm sure they'll look better with a bit of minor work. Like losing the side-toes in particular. And having some nice Iron helmets.
I agree, cutting the side toes off and sorting out the head would make them look like mini contemptors, much better.
I still have a small hope that they have a jump pack as that would make them very useful, but they appear to have dreadnought style smoke stacks making that unlikely.
Side toes are nice, they're like dread feet. Main problem is that the arms are way too heavy. Why powerfist and a huge assault drill under it? They'd look much better if there just was a drill in the place of the fist.
Crimson wrote: Side toes are nice, they're like dread feet. Main problem is that the arms are way too heavy. Why powerfist and a huge assault drill under it? They'd look much better if there just was a drill in the place of the fist.
If I do decide to run assault centurians, I think that replacing these arms with the Mk IV dreadnought arms from FW may look nice.
That's some pretty piss-poor design on the Centurions - at least for something that's $26 per model, and the flagship army. The up-armored Rhino looks pretty cool, though I'm not sold on the two independent guns.
Woulod see more of the rhino thing but looks promising, the other TDA thingys look ok. Again will need to see better pics, with some converting(if possible) may look pretty good. Funny enough I was actually thinking of such a suit about a year ago but could never find the right base model/bits to do it with. Although the guns/drills on the end of the arms look a little out of place...stupid comes to mind. But we'll see.
Finally I can put my 3 dreadknights on the table, knowing that they are no longer the silliest looking models ever made, but now come second to the centurions.
I know there will be people that love them, and thats fine be me. But imho, they look pretty bad. My least favourite part is the feet look so goofy, like dreadnought legs, with a termie body, with a mraine inside?
The tank on the other hand, does look quite nice, will be interesting to see rules and points for the AA tanks. See if they are good enough to change the meta.
tuiman wrote: Finally I can put my 3 dreadknights on the table, knowing that they are no longer the silliest looking models ever made, but now come second to the centurions.
I know there will be people that love them, and thats fine be me. But imho, they look pretty bad.
Hmm the dreadknight is not that bad lol they are kinda realistic, why have a huge robotic head when theres nothing in it. This Centurions are unique which at first might look weird but soon people will like them.
I'm not exactly rushing out to buy either. Though I'll probably find that the stalker may be needed...
I'm still of the opinion that these new Centurion guys will probably end up making terminators redundant. Well, tactical terminators MORE redundant. I suppose the assault ones will depend on if they're allowed in a transport. - Possibly 'very bulky'?
I was honestly thinking that this may turn the release around from me being so negative about GW. It hasn't happened yet.
i.......don't really care for the centurions, though the problems i have seem like simple fixes, ditch the bare heads, and somewhat downsize the weapons on the arms...though clearer pictures might very well show other problem areas
New models look awesome! Hope the codex is good too. Really hope marines have become ALOT cheaper. A full tac squad with upgrades at 150 points is what is needed to make them remotely interesting. Also the ability to use 2 special weapons instead of one.
I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it...
I can't wait for this to be true. As a new painter I've heard so many things about the older metal models and even the Finecast resin miniatures which is why, the news that a plastic Librarian and Chaplain are on the way is great. Not to mention my favorite models thus far, the Sternguard veterans
My problem with the Centurions, helmets aside, is that they appear to be holding the weapons in oversized fists. It would have been far better to mount the weapon systems instead of holding them.
Big "meh' on the Centurions. They're basically the Codex: Grey Knights Dreadknight concept art, and that's cool and all but really not very interesting. Hopefully the shooting version will look better than this-- those drills are extremely silly. Also, hopefully there's a helmet option for these things-- while I could bust out my supply of crazy bionics heads, I'd prefer to keep every guy in my army helmeted.
That said, the anti-air tank looks AWESOME. Definite purchase for me if the rules are even semi-playable.
Um... wow that's an intense blue tone. I might like the models more if the paintjob were a little less garish.
A first sight - the Centurions could be a decent alternative for Oblits in an Iron Warriors army - the original models haven't aged really well. Or maybe as some grotesque cyborg creatures in a counts-as-AdMech force.
I don't really see them as part of my Marines, though. Not too enamoured of the Centurions concept anyway - I don't really think SM with Devs, Termies or artillery Dreads needed their own Broadside equivalent.
The tank looks nicely chunky, though. Dunno if I personally need one, as I only have to deal with a single Dakkajet in my entire gaming group, but it might be fun to paint anyway.
Hmm. The Stalker doesn't look bad. GW is spreading the Rhino design space pretty thinly, but that's to be expected. I'm liking the new front plate. I hope the Hunter looks as nice.
The Centurions might be all right, I want to see the Devastator variants, and more shots of them in general. Shame they couldn't redo the Dreadnought instead, but the basic model has already been mostly superceded by the Veteran and Ironclad.
I don't really like the centurions as they stand, but I can see some brilliant ork conversions in there. I already have an idea for a Gaz count as. I don't like them, and I don't like the Gaz model as it is too gangly, but I can make something awesome between them.
Those centurion models are the worst marines I've ever seen. They make captain cortez look statuesque. They make dreadknights look sensible. Ill proportioned, a mess of detail, poor armor, just all around some of the worst GW models that exist imo.
"Fellow battle brothers! We have created a new form of armor! Dreadnoughts weren't tactical enough so we made armor out of them! We call it Tactical Dread- I mean Centurion Armor!"
The tank looks interesting. I don’t mind that it is a Rhino base. The Rhino is the Jack of all trades, workhorse of the empire after all. Why build a new chassis? Just look at all the Landrover variants the real military use. I’m interested to see what those parts on the sides are. Are they stabilisers or what?
The Centurions are amazing. People that complain about the proportions do realise the marines arms don’t actually go inside the rigs arms right? Also. For the people complaining about the heads. Do you find yourself complaining about the sergeant on the front of the tactical marines box? Seriously, just swap it out!
I wonder what their points cost is going to be. I recon they will be tougher and stronger than a terminator with the same save but maybe a better inv. Will it be approaching 150 points for a squad of 3? Your thoughts.
The more I look at the Centurions, the more I think they're going to be easy to fix-- just remove the giant dumb shoulder pads, throw on a helmet, and perhaps move the chest weapons to the shoulder position. Then give them guns instead of the drills, and we're good to go.
If GW saw fit to include backpack ammo feeds for the guns, I think we're headed for some pretty sweet Matrix mech conversions. That being said, the fact that the conversation is centered around "fixing" what could have been an iconic new part of the range is worrisome.
I often think GW's marketing tactics hurt them in this respect-- many models are panned by the community in their first appearance thanks largely to bad-quality preview shots, but even when the real pictures come out and look substantially better, the damage is done. First impressions count, and if GW did more management of this with actual high-quality previews instead of the bootleg shots we normally see, people might think more highly of their releases.
The centurion armour looks like it would be ok with a helmet added on, and I think the devastator version should look pretty cool. I really don't get the siege drills, though. The way they are mounted, they don't look particularly useful as an actual siege drill... And they look dreadfully impractical as a close combat weapon. I mean, I know this is 40k and all, but these just don't work for me.
Tank looks reasonable. Curious to see if there is an explanation for all of the extra gubbins on the sides.
The centrurions are...growing on me. I will wait until I see the ranged versions before I make a final decision.
One reservation I am having is that they kind of make Dreads redundant now. How are these any different to the many dread configs that are available?
Also I wonder if can they be put in a drop pod? GW has always taken a light and forgiving attitude to scale and transports, I just wonder if this is going to be an option for these monsters. Suppose one could use the dread DP from Forge World.
EDIT: Having just seen the helmeted versions, I 'd rather have the bare "let's go get shot" heads.
Not impressed at all. But people will still buy them in droves and GW will think 'hey we can be lazy/incompetent/baffling with our designs and people will still buy them'.
kb305 wrote: holy fricken crap those centurions are ugly. every time i look at them it gets worse.
why is one shoulder pad higher than the other?
and i thought those apoc master of the marches master of this master of that guys looked really stupid and now this. lol.
Why were those stupid? Those were good miniatures.
blech. if you say so.
he has sterio speakers on his backpack and a microphone headset... seriously? ? and why is there a small naked bondage guy holding up his papertowel. is that supposed to be cool?
the other guy looks kinda of like a fat old man. im not sure what's going on with his cheeks or why they made him look like that. and im really not liking the giant gaydar dish on his backpack.
then we have another opera singer. close friends with the dark apostle.
and finally a generic detail stuffed space marine captain guy. same old, same old. nothing to see here.
kb305 wrote: he has sterio speakers on his backpack and a microphone headset... seriously? ? and why is there a small naked bondage guy holding up his papertowel. is that supposed to be cool?
Hey! Not every Marine can or even wants to be a hero. Some just want to sing!
I often think GW's marketing tactics hurt them in this respect-- many models are panned by the community in their first appearance thanks largely to bad-quality preview shots, but even when the real pictures come out and look substantially better, the damage is done. First impressions count, and if GW did more management of this with actual high-quality previews instead of the bootleg shots we normally see, people might think more highly of their releases.
I'm not so sure. The last few releases have had poor quality previews that were panned on here, only for decent pics to come out and many change their minds. A lot of it will probably come down to seeing the alternative builds that are possible as well as better view of the details.
If anything I think this release strategy gets people more excited about new releases. How many of you have been checking this thread every day (or even every few hours) for the new pics? And you know you're gonna keep checking it up until the White Dwarf comes out. That kind of drip-fed information builds interest and gets people considering new purchases moreso than just a couple of preview shots a month in advance.
Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.
I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.
Meh. All these weird units are starting to over-complicate what is typically a simple to build army. Too many sub-specialists make for too many focussed roles, which is not the strategy for Space Marines.
Of course, in 6-12 months, we won't care or notice...
I like the Cents! They look like guys that would walk around on the outside hull of a spacehulk and tear holes in it.
The Imperial Fist good pictures make them look really static though.
Now Im just scared at what kind of enemy the emperor has forseen that need something bigger and badder in assault than termies with chainfist or hammers to deal with?
Will those drills cause multiple wounds per hit? Will they throw the enemy away like old "hurl opponent" rules?
Crimson wrote: From BoLS:
Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.
The helmet definitely improves the design, but the drills are very silly (especially with those static poses) and the shoulder pads still look too big. The chest bolter does look a lot better than the Ironclad launcher, though.
Peraonnally I like the gorilla suits kinda mecha exoskeleton look, mix of the cagie suits of the likes of alien, matrix, avatar mixed with smaller manga landmate suits. Dehumanising them with a helmet or building that area up with a sensor pod would add to intimidation factor, I do agree the mitten style powerfists are not needed and create to much length and bulk making the under slung weapon (melta maybe?) look to tacted on a fragile, the iron clads hammer arm suffers from this too.
I'm wondering what transports will be able to move something with a dred base in a unit of three, foot slogging seems to vulnerable and slow for such a specialist unit. Tri formation drop pod would be very cool if a little dominating! I have a little hope for these monsters as I find terminators underwelming.
As for the AA tank awesome IMO! Love the extra fat phalanx style guns and chunky armour! Looks like a beast shame it will probably be to specialised for my meta.
They actually remind me a lot of Mantic's Iron Ancestor from the Forgefather range. The more I look at these the more I dislike them as there are some solid ideas in here.
- The iconography is really cool
- Assault/Anti armour weapons being siege drills! That Forgeworld arm is one of my favourite things ever and the possibility of having more of them available.
- Frag launchers on infantry.
These could have been improved by simply being extra options for terminators rather than these ridiculous models.
Look better with helmets but still not sure, I just think from the torso down is to chunky, especially the feet. I have a feeling the devastator variant will look much better though
Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.
I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.
Then again, if all rumors are true, this release has no huge kit (that every army is geting by popular oppinion), but instead focus on redoing and equipping lacking infantry options (unheard of for the last year or so).
This release is by all means a way in the right direction, if we are to believe the complaints of the former 6th ed codexes.
Looks like they'd make a decent Oblit, get the high horned Chaos Marine Helm off the basic sgt from the chaos box, dump the sholderguards, paint up in Iron Warrior colors, I like it. Not so much for my Raven Guard though. Love the AA Rhino.
Weeeell, just as I guessed the different colors (yellow is *always* better!) and the helmets are an improvement. The static poses don't really help sell the models, though, especially for an assault variant; they look like kids dressed in oversized hockey goalkeeper suits. Let's hope we'll see some devastator variants soon.
Will they be plastic or finecast? Plastic models might offer better posing options than what we've seen so far - and the could be used as basis for interesting conversions, even if the actual models as they are now don't really blow me away.
Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.
I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.
somewhat clever. that's probably their whole plan. cash in on all the people that think "truescale is omg so awesome"
I think their arms need to be bigger. Gw should probably add another melta ontop of the other melta and then on top of that melta, add another drill I like how the guy on top of the hill is getting ready to go into a slow lumbering jog, he's gonna lose chunks of his armour doing that, like a crap lowered car with a body kit going over a speed bump.
I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P
Agamemnon2 wrote: I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P
Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.
I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.
somewhat clever. that's probably their whole plan. cash in on all the people that think "truescale is omg so awesome"
Haha, very true. On a side note; I knew they looked like something else. If you can find them, Mongoose's SST Cougar and Grizzly Exosuits look miles better as a stand in for these abominations IMO.
Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.
I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.
somewhat clever. that's probably their whole plan. cash in on all the people that think "truescale is omg so awesome"
I think their arms need to be bigger. Gw should probably add another melta ontop of the other melta and then on top of that melta, add another drill I like how the guy on top of the hill is getting ready to go into a slow lumbering jog, he's gonna lose chunks of his armour doing that, like a crap lowered car with a body kit going over a speed bump.
What, as opposed to people who think "heroic-gorilla-proportions is omg so awesome"? I'm beginning to think the truescale haters about these parts are just jealous they don't have the modelling chops to make such things themselves
As for the Centurions.....ugh. They're probably salvageable - integrate the weapons into the arms in place of the fists, shrink the shoulderpads, choose better heads, and do something with the thigh/crotchplate armour and perhaps the pose. Even then, I'll not be rushing out to buy them, and if the parts are placed out on the sprue as I suspect, fixing them will be a ton of work.
Like Eddie Izzard said, there's a fine line between looking cool and looking like a d!ckhead. The Cents are somewhere on that line for me.
Almost every Marine model are on the dicky side of the line, but these are so incredibly dickish that they sort of become a parody. So I think they're pretty cool.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P
im suprised theyre redoing tacticals. surprised and a little scared after seeing the centurions. the current tactial marine kit is very good imo (even if it is old).
Haha, very true. On a side note; I knew they looked like something else. If you can find them, Mongoose's SST Cougar and Grizzly Exosuits look miles better as a stand in for these abominations IMO.
Wow... those do look nice. Are those 60mm bases? And... can you still buy them somewhere? Mongoose's page didn't really help me.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P
im suprised theyre redoing tacticals. surprised and a little scared after seeing the centurions. the current tactial marine kit is very good imo (even if it is old).
Prepare for 5 man tactical squad at the same price
Those centurions are pretty bad but I've got some hope for the Devastator versions. I really like the new tank especially the way it appears to be able to clamp itself to the ground for extra stability.
The Centurions are amazing. People that complain about the proportions do realise the marines arms don’t actually go inside the rigs arms right? Also. For the people complaining about the heads. Do you find yourself complaining about the sergeant on the front of the tactical marines box? Seriously, just swap it out!
Yes, my thoughts exactly.
Clearly the Centurions work like Tau Crisis Suits, with the operator sitting or suspended in the chest. Any Marine who could "wear" these would have to look like Mr Fantastic.
So essentially it's an armoured cockpit sitting on a pair of legs. Then it's simply a matter of adding weapons. Therefore, they don't need human proportions, they're kind of like an extremely tooled up and heavily armoured Sentinel.
As for aesthetics, well, that will always be subjective, but I like them. I've always had a liking for big, bulky robots (stick a helmeted head on and that's what they'll look like) and I find the "walking wall" look quite effective. They look like what I was expecting when I saw that old concept art: plodding, heavily armed walking tanks. They look enjoyable to paint and they should look quite impressive on the tabletop.
I think that they look exactly like what the marines would field for heavy armour. TDA did not start off as a SM thing, they were designed for dealings with plasma reactors. I could see the marines running around with these and then seeing a TDA and thinking ... that is lighter and faster ( as fast as terminators can be ) and opting to use them more often.
It's a shame though. I feel that recently GW has been quite patchy in its drive towards new toys for each codex. In particular, the "big huge guns everywhere" syndrome makes these look much more infantile... (Although I get that we are talking about tiny plastic dudes here).
Seriously, the number of guns on those suits make it look like a 10 year olds dream space marine. Power fists with drills on the ends of them, with guns attached to the fist... Oh... And guns coming from the chest as well... Lol... 10 year olds wet dream. But... It does look super goofy. I can't believe Goodwin, who designed some of the most beautiful models in the GW portfolio let these guys through.
I remember when Calgar was released way back when, he stretched things with his gun fists, but this is a new level!
I feel the Riptide falls into this category as well actually....
While it makes sense from a business perspective, (those centurions will sell regardless), it is a real shame that they feel it is absolutely necessary to flog bigger, goofier stuff with each release. I thought the dread knight was goofy, but then came the wraith knight, riptide, forge fiends and now these centurion abominations.
My fear is that GW have basically created an endless escalation cycle. They MUST create new, bigger units with every release... How is this sustainable for the longer term if they want to keep true to this universe they have created?
Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.
My god those are ugly. How do they even move with such stubby legs, do they waddle towards their enemies. Real scary stuff there
I'm not exactly in the 40k loop but do we know what kind of a role these guys are supposed to fill because you are absolutely right, I can't see them moving once deployed.
Hmmmm. If they're folding templars into this codex, I wonder if they'll re-release Bangles and Wolves as a supplement rather than a full blown codex? And I wonder if they regret the Dangles codex...
BTW, I never understood how these picture leaks work. Why people who leak these post just few random pictures of some units? They're obviously in position to take pics/scans, so why not post all units?
Crimson wrote: BTW, I never understood how these picture leaks work. Why people who leak these post just few random pictures of some units? They're obviously in position to take pics/scans, so why not post all units?
Crimson wrote: BTW, I never understood how these picture leaks work. Why people who leak these post just few random pictures of some units? They're obviously in position to take pics/scans, so why not post all units?
I've wondered that as well. Get pics of the prices as well as the minis!
The Centurions are awful, and not what I imagined from early descriptions. How do they walk with those enormous barrel like legs, and wouldn't those side-toes just trip over each other?
I thought they would look like regular marines but with a thin exo suit that goes around it, sort of like the power-loader in aliens but less bulky. They'd stand taller and have greater reach, but they'd still look like space marines and thus not introduce another armour type into the army. But those Centurions just don't fit any space marine aesthetic, they're just huge poorly conceived slabs of 'detail', they're quite quite bad really.
Deadshot wrote: I will dunk my head in boiling tar before purchasing those Mega Termies. They barely fit SM aesthetic.
Clunky large block designs with guns strapped to them? I'd say they fit Marine design perfectly.
Simple and clean armour plates, very little segmentation or overlap of plates, rounded edges. SM are designed to look intimidating yes, but at the same time they are smooth and rounded. Eeven Terminators are rounded and very bare bones. No extra reinforcement on reinforcement on reinforcement. Just solid, clean layer.
These guys have plates on the armour thatjust looks not space marine. The chest arrays looks forced. The huge hands are a little weird, and the helmets look like the old metal SM helmets that are frankly disgusting. The assault drills are acceptable. The shoulder pads are just bad. They look good on Cataphracti Terminators but on these they look horrible.
Those things are bloody silly. Having said that, if they're plastic and not finecast I may be tempted to pick up a box in order to see if I can make them look reasonable.
Howard A Treesong wrote: But those Centurions just don't fit any space marine aesthetic, they're just huge poorly conceived slabs of 'detail', they're quite quite bad really.
Only they're an almost perfect mix of Terminator and Dreadnought design. If that doesn't fit the aesthetic of the army I don't know what does.
They're poorly posed, yes. Nothing else is wrong with them.
Crimson wrote: BTW, I never understood how these picture leaks work. Why people who leak these post just few random pictures of some units? They're obviously in position to take pics/scans, so why not post all units?
I've wondered that as well. Get pics of the prices as well as the minis!
They are usually quick snaps from a phone camera before anyone notices, it's not as if they are able to take the issues home or spend any real time getting clear images.
Those things on their hands are the drills? Hahahahahahahahaha. Wow. And they are so OTT on detail...no thanks. Even if I did get them, I'd look at them with disgust when it came time to paint them. As of right now, they're a pass. If I see neat conversions that require minimal work...maybe. But right now it's a 'no'.
Crimson wrote: From BoLS:
Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.
As an Ork player, I rejoice about the new MegaNobs
I'm just a bit annoyed that Muhrines got them before the Orks
I thought that Terminators with Chainfists were there to do the "heavy armor breaching stuff".. apparently not good enough! However, if the Centurions are good, I might just convert some Termis with the drills and bits to make a "Termi Breacher Squad".
Those Centurions look horrible, looks like someone designed them in a rush, first SM kit that I will not buying if the heavy weapon versions dont look any better.
The new Rhino variant though looks quite cool.
Marthike wrote: Why the hate on the centurions, they are good models the design are really nice.
Because it's all subjective opinions and yours is no more or less valid than the people who don't like them. And if you find yourself in a minority you just have to accept that.
They are exactly how a real exo armour looks like.
I'm keen to see pics of this real exo armour you've seen that looks exactly like that.
Well, if they are fast attack (the assault version) they probably are jet pack infantry.
If they are, the static heavy suit would not be a problem, and the large feet would make for steady landing.
Im going for this interpretation
Crimson wrote: From BoLS:
Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.
As an Ork player, I rejoice about the new MegaNobs
! have an exalt for that!
Agreed! Exalted.
Rip the head out, add an ork one. Add Orky gubbinz to taste and POW...new Mega Nobs.
These models really dont look like they could walk. And if they could, veeeeery slowly. I vote they have D6 inches for movement as standard, to represent them having to constantly look at their feet so they dont trip.
And im really not a fan of all the superfluous flourish and detail that GW are adding to models which looked so much better with clean cut lines and lots of nice open surfaces so new joiners to the hobby find them easier to paint. SM should be the easiest army to start, both from a modelling and painting perspective.
These are just plain ugly.
The AA tank looks passable at least, though its not a great image, so I reserve the right to pull a 180 on my opinion!
Marthike wrote: Why the hate on the centurions, they are good models the design are really nice.
They are exactly how a real exo armour looks like.
What exo are you basing this on?
And they dont really fit the generally clear cut, self contained look of SM armour. They are not a nice design in my opinion. The heavy weapon version may look better, as they wouldnt be expected to move as much and could function like mini heavy weapon dreads.
I'm usually the kind of guy who waits to see the models or other angles/paint job, to make a critic about a model...
But this time i'm with the majority here, its Fugly stupid.
i thought, that GW couldn't make uglier and stupidier then the Mutilators, darn i was wrong...
The way i imagined whas like the Techmarine with a heavy backpack, a bit more armor on the legs and chest, but still something that could actually move.
The drills would have been like gauntlets with the marines hands fitted in, and Not ON Huge freakin Gauntlets.
Once again, they proof that they can't make anatomicly correct Marines, and that their morphology is all over the place, i can't imagine a living being in that armor, only a Cyborg head could be screwed in it and the rest is just Cyborg...
Sheesh... I'm saving my judgement for when the 360°s come out, but I was surely expecting something different. Something perhaps a bit more... Vehicle-like. Like some sort of Sentinel buffed up to Space Marine design standards.
The legs are too thick and the head is a bit silly.
If the head area was completely enclosed like this:
Then it would be a bit more bearable.
The shoulder pads can be done away with. They just look tacky. The imperial fist models look even worse than the ultramarines - you do not want to paint something like that in bright colors, because then it looks like something from toys are us.
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Slayer le boucher wrote: I'm usually the kind of guy who waits to see the models or other angles/paint job, to make a critic about a model...
But this time i'm with the majority here, its Fugly stupid.
i thought, that GW couldn't make uglier and stupidier then the Mutilators, darn i was wrong...
The way i imagined whas like the Techmarine with a heavy backpack, a bit more armor on the legs and chest, but still something that could actually move.
The drills would have been like gauntlets with the marines hands fitted in, and Not ON Huge freakin Gauntlets.
Once again, they proof that they can't make anatomicly correct Marines, and that their morphology is all over the place, i can't imagine a living being in that armor, only a Cyborg head could be screwed in it and the rest is just Cyborg...
Looks like a 5 year old Space Armor drawing...
You wouldn't be able to work for GW...you don't have the right "attitude"
I am so not going to let that bit of stupidity go
Although...as another poster mentioned, they could be used as meganobs. The proportions are a tad more befitting of an ork than a SM.
I'm hoping that the Devastator version of the Centurions looks better, but I'm afraid that they'll just be swapping out the awkwardly placed drills for awkwardly placed giant heavy weapons and look just as goofy...
New SM model... things. I quite like them, in a "not as incomprehesible as a Stormtalon" way, but they're not beautiful by any stretch of the imagination.
There was a debate in the annual report thread about how GW had more or less dispensed with creativity and innovation in favour of just churning out safe stuff that they expected to sell.
I have no idea what they're talking about, those Centurions are totally original and haven't just been phoned in at all.
New SM model... things. I quite like them, in a "not as incomprehesible as a Stormtalon" way, but they're not beautiful by any stretch of the imagination.
I would like to see the rules for this ASAP.... Just like the helldrake, I bet no one will like these until they see the rules. I personally didn't like the helldrake until I face a two of them on the table... something about the AP 3 template helped me warm up to them... not right then but eventually... I am just trying to be optimistic in order to mask my overall loathing for GW... but maybe they will surprise me again with a not so good looking model with awesome rules... But then again, new does not always equal awesome...
EDIT: On second thought, after seeing a better picture of them (the Imperial Fists ones with helmets) they better have some pretty impressive rules...
Except the new, weird terminator-ish suit. That just sounds like Oblits/Mutilators BUT FOR SPEHSS MEHRENS. Are C:CSM not allowed anything unique??
EXACTLY like Obliterators/Mutilators, except:
-It's bigger,
-It doesn't get to swap weapon options around every turn,
-It doesn't only use energy based weapons,
-It's a frikkin' exosuit of some kind strapped to the armor of a Marine, not a mutant creature who absorbs weapons into it's body.
Seriously, it's not THAT close.
I'm not saying physically, so the third point is null and void.
I'm saying, they're big, tough models that come in squads of three, with big, heavy weapons, they're infantry, and probably have a 2+ armour save. Even the guy a bit above said 'this is probably where chaos oblits come from'.
It will depend a lot on the rules. Centurions can have all the guns in the world, but I still wouldn't take them if they are T4 2+ and die to a single lascannon.
Maybe they'll be T5 and 2 wounds?
Either way, they still seem like Ultramarine versions of Obliterators.
That last one's a fake. Look at the base. It's large oval, so that thing would have to be roughly Riptide sized. But you can see the shadow all the way underneath the back foot... meaning THE ENTIRE THING IS BALANCING ON THE OTHER LEG.
The leaning pose would make it extremely easy to snap off the base, and that's assuming it wouldn't topple over all the time.
Super Ready wrote: That last one's a fake. Look at the base. It's large oval, so that thing would have to be roughly Riptide sized. But you can see the shadow all the way underneath the back foot... meaning THE ENTIRE THING IS BALANCING ON THE OTHER LEG.
The leaning pose would make it extremely easy to snap off the base, and that's assuming it wouldn't topple over all the time.
Try again, Photoshoppers.
Um, the Riptide is glued to the base by only its toes. I say no PS here.
As someone who's tired of the constant whining about new releases, I've got to say that I agree with you. That can't be real. It just can't.
As has been said, the weapon's one half of the FWWW Scorpius. That looks photoshopped to me, mainly because it's just so much worse than the rest of the new models.
I like the new centurian models because they have a lot of potential. Paint them black and white, replace the head with a 3rd party stargate looking bird head and then you have the galaxy's most heavily armed penguins waddling across the battlefield to purge the heritics and xenos.
It was nice of them to include some chaos iconography to make oblit conversions easier. Why else have one with chaos stars and three skulls arranged for Nurgle?
Assuming the blue thing holding a FW Heresy-era missile launcher is a fake, the only other parts I could conceive of coming from other kits are the head (Deimos Predator Turret minus a gun?) and left arm (modified contemptor arm?). In the wake of the Centurions it looks scarily credible.
sonsoftaurus wrote: It was nice of them to include some chaos iconography to make oblit conversions easier. Why else have one with chaos stars and three skulls arranged for Nurgle?
Haven't seen the new tank yet, but I've seen the Centurions, and I have to throw my 'WTF?' into the ring as well.
Now, I actually quite like the baby carrier that is the DreadKnight, so I apparently already have what the internet at large would consider bad taste in models, but those things look a tad silly. Still, I have no doubt that they'll be nigh undefeatable on the table (my Wraithguard/Splinter weaponry/horde of Toxin Sac Hormagaunts would say otherwise though) so they'll sell like hotcakes.
And I really hope the Astartes model Evangelion is a bad joke on someone's part. It looks like someone took an R2 unit and bolted it onto a Transformer with weaponry overcompensation issues.
Still, we shall wait and see, and then I shall enjoy the fact that most of the Vanilla Marine players round my way have either bowed out of the hobby due to prices, or are on a limited budget so I probably won't end up facing many of these things anyway!
schadenfreude wrote: I like the new centurian models because they have a lot of potential. Paint them black and white, replace the head with a 3rd party stargate looking bird head and then you have the galaxy's most heavily armed penguins waddling across the battlefield to purge the heritics and xenos.
Thanks! Now I have an Exuse to buy the Puppet Wars Hawk Heads, Thanks that image will never leave my head.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be photoshopped? Can you provide the original "robot"?
Can you make things like that from scratch in photohshop?
I'm unsure if it's photoshopped (in the wake of those wobbly marines) but yes, you can make things from scratch in photoshop (or edit other stuff to look like other stuff). You just have to be really incredibly good at photoshop, and maybe illustration.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be photoshopped? Can you provide the original "robot"?
Can you make things like that from scratch in photohshop?
I don't think it's photoshooped but yes, you can make things from scratch in photoshop (or edit other stuff to look like other stuff). You just have to be really incredibly good at photoshop, and maybe illustration.
The Mecha is from a Animie Called Armored Trooper Votom [at least thats what my Video Tape says]
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be photoshopped? Can you provide the original "robot"?
Can you make things like that from scratch in photohshop?
I don't think it's photoshooped but yes, you can make things from scratch in photoshop (or edit other stuff to look like other stuff). You just have to be really incredibly good at photoshop, and maybe illustration.
The Mecha is from a Animie Called Armored Trooper Votom [at least thats what my Video Tape says]
See, that just proves it's real. GW will then sue the creator of Votom for stealing their idea
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be photoshopped? Can you provide the original "robot"?
Can you make things like that from scratch in photohshop?
I don't think it's photoshooped but yes, you can make things from scratch in photoshop (or edit other stuff to look like other stuff). You just have to be really incredibly good at photoshop, and maybe illustration.
The Mecha is from a Animie Called Armored Trooper Votom [at least thats what my Video Tape says]
In my defense if you put it beside the Centurion it doesn't look like it's photoshopped. It'll just seem like the design team doesn't give a flying feth anymore in design.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be photoshopped? Can you provide the original "robot"?
Can you make things like that from scratch in photohshop?
I don't think it's photoshooped but yes, you can make things from scratch in photoshop (or edit other stuff to look like other stuff). You just have to be really incredibly good at photoshop, and maybe illustration.
The Mecha is from a Animie Called Armored Trooper Votom [at least thats what my Video Tape says]
In my defense if you put it beside the Centurion it doesn't look like it's photoshopped. It'll just seem like the design team doesn't give a flying feth anymore in design.
Looks like the dancing robot thing is a joke. Either someone's kitbash or just something thrown together in Photoshop. That's probably why it's so blurry, if it wasn't you'd be able to see through the fakery much more quickly.
Bear in mind that no flying base model has been mentioned at all up to now, no mention of such a thing by whoever was leaking the WD content, or anything else to even hint that such a thing was coming. If there was anything like this in the WD it would have been mentioned long ago. So I'm not going to immediately react with horror because an unconvincing fuzzy picture suddenly popped out of thin air.
Fezman wrote: Looks like the dancing robot thing is a joke. Either someone's kitbash or just something thrown together in Photoshop. That's probably why it's so blurry, if it wasn't you'd be able to see through the fakery much more quickly.
Bear in mind no that flying base model has been mentioned at all up to now, no mention of such a thing by whoever was leaking the WD content, or anything else to even hint that such a thing was coming. So I'm not going to immediately react with horror because an unconvincing fuzzy picture suddenly popped out of thin air.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Also, in the case that I am wrong I'll stick this turn-of-phrase here too "Keep your words short and sweet, as you may just have to eat them"
Fezman wrote: Looks like the dancing robot thing is a joke. Either someone's kitbash or just something thrown together in Photoshop. That's probably why it's so blurry, if it wasn't you'd be able to see through the fakery much more quickly.
Bear in mind no that flying base model has been mentioned at all up to now, no mention of such a thing by whoever was leaking the WD content, or anything else to even hint that such a thing was coming. If there was anything like this in the WD it would have been mentioned long ago. So I'm not going to immediately react with horror because an unconvincing fuzzy picture suddenly popped out of thin air.
Good we can save all the horror for the centurions then
Awful Centurions are bad enough. Only the AA tank saves this. Anyone willing to repost the Tank pic to cleanse our sight from those crappy "angry marine toys" ?
Honestly, IMO, GW has released worse. These models do look silly, but they can look better with a little work (clip side toes, remove extra plates by groin, shave down lower leg).
That robot is fake, I'd bet.... No design consistency at all with any other 40k stuff, looks more gundam to me. Centurions aren't that bad, but that yellow pain job is certainly doing them no favors lol! Tank turrets look cool though
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Fezman wrote: Looks like the dancing robot thing is a joke. Either someone's kitbash or just something thrown together in Photoshop. That's probably why it's so blurry, if it wasn't you'd be able to see through the fakery much more quickly.
Bear in mind no that flying base model has been mentioned at all up to now, no mention of such a thing by whoever was leaking the WD content, or anything else to even hint that such a thing was coming. So I'm not going to immediately react with horror because an unconvincing fuzzy picture suddenly popped out of thin air.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Also, in the case that I am wrong I'll stick this turn-of-phrase here too "Keep your words short and sweet, as you may just have to eat them"
If it's a real model, there are two possibilities:
1. Games Workshop were unable to keep secret the Centurions, two new veteran kits, seven exclusive covers for the book and a whole new weapon category, but were somehow able to keep a giant robot that looks to be several inches tall completely under wraps.
2. Whoever had access to the next WD showed remarkable self-control in not mentioning the fact there was a giant robot which we had previously never heard of in there.
Given every other Codex/army book release in recent memory neither sounds likely. That's why I'm saying its fake until better evidence emerges - I think it's fair to give GW the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Tank is nice. I've still not seen the single shot missile version, but the twin multibarrelled cannons look impressive. Here's hoping they're only S5/6 so my Stormraven can still fly with impugnity...
5deadly wrote: That model is by far the stupid GW model I've ever seen.
No. No, I cannot let that stand.
Have you people learned nothing from Gary Morley?
Yes, that he is a towering Colossus of talent compared to whatever trained monkey-slave they chained to a Mac and forced to digitally sculpt these atrocities against the human eyeball.
Oaka wrote: The Centurions look a lot better with helmets, but still look like contestants for The Biggest Loser doing some sort of rock drilling challenge.
Which goes wonderfully with the name of "Tubbynators" that appears to be sticking on other forums.
New SM model... things. I quite like them, in a "not as incomprehesible as a Stormtalon" way, but they're not beautiful by any stretch of the imagination.
Praise the Emperor, looks like you're right. Although it speaks volumes that at least for a moment I wouldn't have put it past GW to create something like that...
I'm hardly a WK, but wow. That model is CLEARLY a photoshop fake. The centurions look like crap, but they look overdone by marine standards. Yet they still fit "marine standards". This...thing doesn't fit the marine aesthetic at all. There's no way.
I don't understand how the Centurians are supposed to swing those drills. With how big they are and where they're mounted, there's no way to make that happen. Add in how limited their movement range is with the giant blocky armor, and I think they'll be limited to Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot punches.
NuclearMessiah wrote: I take my time to post it is fake and I immediately get followed up by 2 posts that say the same thing
Several people prior to you pointed out its similarity to that Mech.
Indeed, guess we both didn't read to closely. Least I added a nice picture.
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MandalorynOranj wrote: I don't understand how the Centurians are supposed to swing those drills. With how big they are and where they're mounted, there's no way to make that happen. Add in how limited their movement range is with the giant blocky armor, and I think they'll be limited to Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot punches.
I definitely like the Rhino variant AA tank, so will pick that up.
The Centurions look like a child-like parody of GWSM design... Chunky legs, lots of iconography, oversized weapons, tiny head. (Though strangely non-shouty) - Unfortunately the rules will probably be awesome.
If they are near Contemptor size, then I may just use those to represent Centurions on the field.
I love the up-armored AA Rhino, and I will be buying one.
The Centurions I'm not sold on. I really feel that if they are going to be modeled that size and with those proportions, they should be braced to the ground in the back, arms forward firing an ungodly amount of ammo. I'm also wondering if I can sub in a regular Marine helmet. While the regular marine helmet also frowns, the Centurion helmet looks like someone just knocked his ice cream out of his hand.
Rinkydink wrote: I definitely like the Rhino variant AA tank, so will pick that up.
The Centurions look like a child-like parody of GWSM design... Chunky legs, lots of iconography, oversized weapons, tiny head. (Though strangely non-shouty) - Unfortunately the rules will probably be awesome.
If they are near Contemptor size, then I may just use those to represent Centurions on the field.
That might be wishful thinking. The Contemptor stands over the standard dreadnought and these guys are the supposed inbetween for TDA and the normal dreadnought.
d-usa wrote: And I don't even want to start guessing what this could be:
I hope it's a bad photoshop joke...
It just gets worse and worse. Where do they find these sculpts and why do they approve them?
Ok really...... we have several post that have established this is fake across multiple 40k related forums. No need to keep pointing out how terrible it is.
Ctan_overlord, it's fake. Read the previous posts.
Well, they DO have an helmeted version, but I still preferred something with even more armor on it, less Tactical helm style. I like everything so far, eagerly awaiting new pics
I just realised that it's still going to be annoying/expensive as gak to create a 10-man Crusader Squad with CCWs and special weapons if you're not willing to chip away at blood drops or wolf heads. Not to mention that there's nothing about merging the BT upgrade kit into a "proper" kit, so if you want BT iconography and tabards you'll still be paying that much more than the other variant Chapters. Meh.
ph34r wrote: Those centurion models are the worst marines I've ever seen. They make captain cortez look statuesque. They make dreadknights look sensible. Ill proportioned, a mess of detail, poor armor, just all around some of the worst GW models that exist imo.
I agree with this. They're right up there with the legendary Chaos Trolls, all of Trish Morrison's pathetic animal sculpts, Gary Morley's transsexual Elves, that weird Beastman boar thing with the bulging eye, the new melee Obliterators, and Captain Cortez. They're absolutely pathetic.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I just realised that it's still going to be annoying/expensive as gak to create a 10-man Crusader Squad with CCWs and special weapons if you're not willing to chip away at blood drops or wolf heads. Not to mention that there's nothing about merging the BT upgrade kit into a "proper" kit, so if you want BT iconography and tabards you'll still be paying that much more than the other variant Chapters. Meh.
Hopefully they don't get rid of the upgrade sprues. Of course I have enough of them that every model in my BT has BT weapons and at least two other BT bits.
For a scary moment I thought that that photo shopped model was a new Tac marine.
What's up with the centurions helmets they look like a cross between a regular and a terminator helmet.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I just realised that it's still going to be annoying/expensive as gak to create a 10-man Crusader Squad with CCWs and special weapons if you're not willing to chip away at blood drops or wolf heads. Not to mention that there's nothing about merging the BT upgrade kit into a "proper" kit, so if you want BT iconography and tabards you'll still be paying that much more than the other variant Chapters. Meh.
Hopefully they don't get rid of the upgrade sprues. Of course I have enough of them that every model in my BT has BT weapons and at least two other BT bits.
It's not that I'm afraid of them removing the upgrade kit, it's that paying SoB-levels for a squad of 10 Marines is rather annoying.
I thought gw couldnt make an uglier model after the storm chicken.
Just imagining a human anatomy inside that centurion makes me cringe.
I´d be embarassed to pain one, not to mention put one on the table. big drills mounted on big powerfists?
Ugliness aside, I cant see the assault versions being usable what so ever, slow, lumbering things only good in melee, yeah fast armies like dark eldar/eldar/bikes are going to get an auto win.
There i sa good reason nobody ever takes the chaos maulers.
These models better get teleport with a 12´assault move afterwards or else they are a dud.
Good rules can make up for ugliness but in this case I see neither.
unless GW steps up its game this could be the first 40k release in a long time that I dont buy any models from. I'll get a codex but if these are the style of the new models I dont think I'll need them
I think both models look great! I am sorry so many people seem to think that GW is such a bad company that never makes any cool models. Maybe y'all should consider a new game. It must be really hard to be that disappointed by everything GW does.
rothrich wrote: I think both models look great! I am sorry so many people seem to think that GW is such a bad company that never makes any cool models. Maybe y'all should consider a new game. It must be really hard to be that disappointed by everything GW does.
Breaking news - opinions differ!
I think they are...OK, but need some work.
And something that costs as much as these do, in plastic, really shouldn't 'need some work'.
rothrich wrote: I think both models look great! I am sorry so many people seem to think that GW is such a bad company that never makes any cool models. Maybe y'all should consider a new game. It must be really hard to be that disappointed by everything GW does.
GW makes loads of amazing models. These however are horrible. I'm actually a bit shocked how horrible they are. Marines are their best selling army and a completely new type of marine unit should be a big deal; I'm amazed that they thought these were good.
I friggin' love those Centurions. My Imperial Fists army's getting some new guys on the team.
I know it seems a lot of people here don't like them and that's okay, but don't act like opinions are facts please.
MWHistorian wrote: I friggin' love those Centurions. My Imperial Fists army's getting some new guys on the team.
I know it seems a lot of people here don't like them and that's okay, but don't act like opinions are facts please.
A sensible and rational statement? Here? In this thread? Heresy!
MWHistorian wrote: I friggin' love those Centurions. My Imperial Fists army's getting some new guys on the team.
I know it seems a lot of people here don't like them and that's okay, but don't act like opinions are facts please.
What!? My opinion isn't fact!?
I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.
I don't like what I'm seeing so far of the Centurions, but I'll have to see good pictures of them to make a final judgment. If the kit is a little more poseable than it looks, I think it could be good. The bare heads are a definite no-no though.
MWHistorian wrote: I friggin' love those Centurions. My Imperial Fists army's getting some new guys on the team.
I know it seems a lot of people here don't like them and that's okay, but don't act like opinions are facts please.
Not facts, but taste. So many ways to approach marines, and yet they made them yuck.
Brother SRM wrote: I don't like what I'm seeing so far of the Centurions, but I'll have to see good pictures of them to make a final judgment. If the kit is a little more poseable than it looks, I think it could be good. The bare heads are a definite no-no though.
The bare heads make them look too much like Servitors.
I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.
But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?
I'm not crazy about the Centurions at first blush, but good gravy, haven't we been down this path just about every month with grainy 2D pics of 2D publications held at an angle, etc.? Better pics will probably change opinions, and the actual models will probably change even more.
Those centurions are just like.... man, how does this stuff even happen? Don't they have focus groups or something?
On the plus side, I think those giant Centurion drills might be spring loaded, so it will be kinda fun playing with the real shooting action when my mom makes me take a bath.
This is an interesting era in the HHHobby, where people start looking to the third party groups less for lower priced alternatives and more for models that don't look so stupid. The Puppetswar one is better in every way, although we obviously don't know prices yet.
The new tank looks alright though. I'm not crazy about the split guns but it's not a dealbreaker either.
rothrich wrote: I think both models look great! I am sorry so many people seem to think that GW is such a bad company that never makes any cool models. Maybe y'all should consider a new game. It must be really hard to be that disappointed by everything GW does.
Breaking news - opinions differ!
The internet Hive Mind does not compute. Kindly elaborate.
gorgon wrote: I'm not crazy about the Centurions at first blush, but good gravy, haven't we been down this path just about every month with grainy 2D pics of 2D publications held at an angle, etc.? Better pics will probably change opinions, and the actual models will probably change even more.
They are "stormcannons" ... Time will tell if they are worth it
well, I might not like them now but in time i will like them 
