Well they look better with helmets atleast

Man everytime I get excited about a new release from GW I see the first few leaked pics and go and buy something from a different company. Looks like ill be buying a tiger for BA, or something from perry.

I don't see what all the fuss is about, if you want to buy GW models, it's because you like heroic scale.. the centurions are the natural extension of that established design style, and possibly a response from GW as they noticed that people wanted "truescale" marines... there is a clear demand from the fanbase to have marines, but larger so they tower over the imperial guard.

No matter what Dakka says, these minis will sell lots and lots to space marine players and a lot of people will like them.

Of course, I personally think they're godawful abominations of sculpts with no sense of posing/ dynamics and taking heroic scale to extreme extents..

... and I am very happy that I will be getting a bunch of these delivered to me sometime soon instead (hard plastic, bought for $2 each):

That's just because I like that style of mini though, and prefer to pay $2 for the mini instead of $12.

There's nothing "wrong" with the centurions though, some people like that style of miniature and are happy to pay for it, I imagine they will be very successful, as all new space marine releases are.

Enough with the memes. macros etc etc now thanks folks.

And please remember not to attach non wargaming images to Dakka.

Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

And it's good to see you take yet another opportunity to plug Mantic.

I like the AA tank, I have to agree on the Centurions, I think they look absolutely fething awful.

Its like everything nowadays, they have to kick the fething arse out of it. Have you noticed that? Today, you cant just like something, you have to kick the fething arse out of it.

Look at Game of Thrones, no, you can't just rather like it, nooooo, you have to go buy the fething GOT wine glasses and the GOT shirts and the GOT bedspreads oh and look that cute girl who goes to UCSB has got a Lannister tattoo.. yay! Oh that is fething sick!

It doesn't matter if its music, Tv, movies, games, everything about our modern uber trendy society knocks me fething sick nowadays, must we mercilessly kick the arse out of absolutely everything? Does nobody subscribe to the term, if it aint broke, dont fix the fething thing!?

Space Marines were almost perfect in fifth aesthetically. VV look great, SG look great, Termies of all forms look excellent, Vanilla Space Marines of all shapes and sizes look typically great, but no, thats not enough, lets stick a space marine in terminator armour inside another space marine suit, with no fething legs, so it looks like a giant obese metal grandad wearing a big metal oven gloves, a steel kilt and an aluminium apron.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I don't see what all the fuss is about, if you want to buy GW models, it's because you like heroic scale.. the centurions are the natural extension of that established design style, and possibly a response from GW as they noticed that people wanted "truescale" marines... there is a clear demand from the fanbase to have marines, but larger so they tower over the imperial guard.

No matter what Dakka says, these minis will sell lots and lots to space marine players and a lot of people will like them.

Of course, I personally think they're godawful abominations of sculpts with no sense of posing/ dynamics and taking heroic scale to extreme extents..

... and I am very happy that I will be getting a bunch of these delivered to me sometime soon instead (hard plastic, bought for $2 each):

Spoiler:

That's just because I like that style of mini though, and prefer to pay $2 for the mini instead of $12.

There's nothing "wrong" with the centurions though, some people like that style of miniature and are happy to pay for it, I imagine they will be very successful, as all new space marine releases are.

Where are those models from? I like those a lot...

^ They're from Mantic Games, should be out later this year as a unit. They wouldn't fit with the established space marine style, but I think it's getting to the point where even the new releases from GW don't fit the style.

Especially that robot thing, I actually quite like the legs and body on it, but the head and arms are just crazy.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...



On topic:
The Centurions look like they could be decent, but suffer from over-designing. I'm intrigued and look forward to seeing one "in the flesh" and figuring out what can be done to rectify that over-design issue.

~Eric

Yep, also it is amazing how many people will form a solid end all be all opinion based on limited information that they know is limited.

Still I am excited, I hope regular helmets will fit, also waiting to see what the heavy version looks like as well as side angles and poseability. Just from the difference between the ultramarines and the imperial fists we know there is some.

Reds...the Dude does NOT abide being redacted.

But seriously, about half the people like it, about half dont. That's about par for the course, isn't it?

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

 mattyrm wrote:
I like the AA tank, I have to agree on the Centurions, I think they look absolutely fething awful.

Its like everything nowadays, they have to kick the fething arse out of it. Have you noticed that?

Yes. Actually, in this case, though, this is maybe intentional. MeanGreenStompa and a few othersposters had thought that as a repercussion of the Chapterhouse case, where some of Games Workshop's stuff was deemed too plain to be protected works; the natural consequence would be designs that are more and more blinged out and over the top because those elements keep them as non-generic IP. This seems to be bearing out.

Also like the AA tank, think the body would look good on a whirlwind too. Where are the pics of the veterans kit? I understand the centurions pics are like passing a train wreck, you just have to look. But no pics of the rumored sternguard?

Thing is, if you buy these to rectify the design issues all GW sees is a sale. Much the same as Hollywood doesn't register that people saw a blockbuster movie and hated it, they just see the ticket sale. That saddens me perhaps more than it should.

I'm really hoping the Stern- and Vanguard kits are worthwhile to make up for these.

I'm not even feeling the AA tank, allowing for 40K standards it has too many guns.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Well remember the biggest reason for new units is because it keeps people from simply resorting the models they already own. New models means new purchases, especially for the FOTM players if the new models are given good rules.

When nobody has the models to begin with, there is no way for anyone to obtain them secondhand.

These centurions are not so bad, I would remove some of the extra details so they look like large slabs of armor.
Make it look a little more like a mini-contemptor dread.
The plates at the waist do need to be trimmed which would give more leg length so they do not look like they waddle.
I would only trim off the inside, side toes because that looks way too hard to work around to walk.
Too bad about the heads being so small, a helmet is the only way to go: seems silly to have all that metal and have the melon meat hanging out there.
Wonder if the FW dread heads are larger and could put that on instead.

Fast attack seems strange, I assume they teleport in?

The drills fit FW designs, looks like these are the alternative for those who feel the dreadnaught close combat utility was taken away.
I think by the design the drills extend out on a cylinder much like the halberd on the librarian dreadnaught.
Large guns can only help how these guys look, when I see this picture I keep thinking: "what is so important they need to get up close kill? Put on big freaking guns!".

So for this "Tween-Marine" fluff, you put wounded marines in these until they heal up? This is like a "walker" (cool! double meaning!) when some get infirm?

Late to the party but yes, the new AA tank looks great. The Rhino chassis is the norm, (expected for me really) I like some of the new bits to change it's shape.

Giant fake robot of oval base: Just made no sense for marine tie-in design. It either takes the design hint from a brick or the business end of a baseball bat or it is not a marine design. Spindly fussy bits is a big no-no, the TC's just barely pass.

Will be interesting to see anything new to add to the troop kits (glad I only would buy if it looks good than necessity).

Let us see what the codex has for us, that usually decides how much model design needs "fixing".

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right?

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

The mantic ones look silly as well. Is that helmet grinning?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Well remember the biggest reason for new units is because it keeps people from simply resorting the models they already own. New models means new purchases, especially for the FOTM players if the new models are given good rules.

When nobody has the models to begin with, there is no way for anyone to obtain them secondhand.

I know, I made that point in my previous post . Probably worth mentioning again though

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right?

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

I know precisely what they are. Proportions are nowhere near as bad, and they are nowhere near as over-designed as these Centurions.

~Eric

 Kanluwen wrote:

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

Naw, that whole skinny waist, long torso, huge chest is like, Mantics 'signature style.'

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Of course, but sadly enough we see that at a certain point it seems to have become impossible to come up with any new unit that still fits, be it the existing background or designs. Remember back in the 2nd edition days there were quite a lot of different captain and sergeant models. Nowadays we do have a big collection of very cool captain models, but I do think GW could expand on that. We have Tech Marines in that fancy suit, what about Tech Marines in just normal power armour or terminator armour? What about bike mounted techmarines? Throw in a cool Land Raider/Rhino variant or two, we've got the new anti-air one, which is cool, what about a Sabre or some AA Land Raider? As for the veterans, we've got a veteran version of the tactical squad (Sternguard) and the assault squad (Vanguard), so what about a veteran version of the devastator squad? What about assault squads without jump packs? What about an updated bike kit, so far only the Dark Angels seem to have one. So just a 6th edition bike and attack bike.

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right?

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

I know precisely what they are. Proportions are nowhere near as bad, and they are nowhere near as over-designed as these Centurions.

~Eric

You are certainly welcome to think that.

I won't argue the point further as it is opinion.

Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

The highest praise and most damning criticism I can offer for the Centurions is the ever lazy 'they're alright'.

 lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

You tell us.

I'll wait for better pictures before I pass final judgement.

Centurions = fail
AA Tank = win

So far, batting .500

 Malika2 wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Of course, but sadly enough we see that at a certain point it seems to have become impossible to come up with any new unit that still fits, be it the existing background or designs. Remember back in the 2nd edition days there were quite a lot of different captain and sergeant models. Nowadays we do have a big collection of very cool captain models, but I do think GW could expand on that. We have Tech Marines in that fancy suit, what about Tech Marines in just normal power armour or terminator armour? What about bike mounted techmarines? Throw in a cool Land Raider/Rhino variant or two, we've got the new anti-air one, which is cool, what about a Sabre or some AA Land Raider? As for the veterans, we've got a veteran version of the tactical squad (Sternguard) and the assault squad (Vanguard), so what about a veteran version of the devastator squad? What about assault squads without jump packs? What about an updated bike kit, so far only the Dark Angels seem to have one. So just a 6th edition bike and attack bike.

I agree wholeheartedly but nothing says BUY ME KIDS! more than made in Taiwan looking new SM variants.

Yeah,
I like them, a lot!

New tank looks great love the stabilisers on the sides,
Hopefully this chassis is shared with the whirlwind... It needs stabilising too!

panic...

And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.

What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

 lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

You're funny.
Oh...were you being serious?

 Sekai wrote:
And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.

What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

They might be larger than the normal Astartes models or have a couple different ways to assemble the model or different bits of iconography or any number of potential things that GW feels justify the price bump.
Or they could be wearing Terminator armor.

I would be absolutely surprised if they were wearing Centurion armor as I doubt that stuff will be a wargear choice.

 lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

Good thing we have your opinions to go off. TOY SOLDIERS!

 cincydooley wrote:
But seriously, about half the people like it, about half dont. That's about par for the course, isn't it?

If that were the case, sure but of course, it is not. In the 10 pages between when the photos where first shown on page 21 and this comment on page 31, there have been 79 comments that were clearly negative, 22 comments that were clearly positive, and 21 comments that were ambivalent/withholding judgement.

Obviously this isn't exactly a scientific survey but the opinions thusfar are pretty strongly negative; for every person who has a positive reaction there are 4 that do not.

 Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

This has probably been said already, but those models look just right to convert some really great looking Mega armoured Nobz with plenty of bitz and nob heads.

Like i said earlier, in my mind this is how i pictured them.

 lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

And who said you have good tastes? Let people have their opinions, no need to insult people who don't agree with you. Personally, they look a little silly, but the 'cron flayed ones still look worse then the centurions.

EDIT: ^ Exalt there. Come to think of it, might SOE take offense to how closely similar the Centurion and the MAX suit are modeled, maybe lawsuit material.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ They're from Mantic Games, should be out later this year as a unit. They wouldn't fit with the established space marine style, but I think it's getting to the point where even the new releases from GW don't fit the style.

Especially that robot thing, I actually quite like the legs and body on it, but the head and arms are just crazy.

The robot is a fake. That has already been established.

Hey, no finecast chaptermaster in centurion suit?

Perhaps GW is not evil after all?

 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
But seriously, about half the people like it, about half dont. That's about par for the course, isn't it?

If that were the case, sur,e but of course, it is not. In the 10 pages between when the photos where first shown on page 21 and this comment on page 31, there have been 79 comments that were clearly negative, 22 comments that were clearly positive, and 21 comments that were ambivalent/withholding judgement.

Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

No, I'm simply saying no matter how you can say "the opinion is 50/50", I'm showing that is not true. With math.

If you wish to now move the goalposts as is your wont, be my guest.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said earlier, in my mind this is how i pictured them.

You probably pictured them like that screengrab because the screengrab looks very similar to the concept art that was posted of a new design of Devastators from Games Day 2004ish.

That said, I think that the Devastator Centurions might look better. The Assault Centurions have sounded stupid from the beginning.

I can't wait to see Marneus Calgar in Centurion armor.* After all, they do have two fists...

*complete conjecture on my part, and unsubstantiated rabble rousing at best.

The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

Well, despite the armoured penguin brigade, I am eager to see the new sternguard and vanguard sprues.
I mean, combi-weapons!

I think they could grow on me if I think of them as terminators who ate too much Mcdonald's.

And they'll be cute if they're fast attack and they can wobble really really fast! Just imagine how they walk! Look at them go, silly little things! They look so angry!



(Is it just me or the yellow paint scheme makes them look like Angry Marines? Combined with OTT weaponry and armor it seems like these are ripe Angry Marine conversion material.)

Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

It's fake.

Seriously, look at it. Do you think GW would you drop to that level?

Actually, best not answer that question.

Its a fake, for the hundredth time. Does no one actually read the thread before posting?

Are the Centurions on 40mm bases or 60mm bases? I can't quite tell.

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

It's a fake, it's a shooped "Votoms" mech with the new FW whirlwind launcher.

It's a Votoms robot with a missile launcher from the Forgeworld Whirlwind 'shopped onto it.

E: Beaten by 21 seconds! Damn!

Hey guys, has anyone told him it was fake yet?

Hey guys, it's a fak...

Oh we've established th is? Moving on.

Centurions look stupid, and if what I heard from Kanluwen is right, then the fluff is just as stupid.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Of course, but sadly enough we see that at a certain point it seems to have become impossible to come up with any new unit that still fits, be it the existing background or designs. Remember back in the 2nd edition days there were quite a lot of different captain and sergeant models. Nowadays we do have a big collection of very cool captain models, but I do think GW could expand on that. We have Tech Marines in that fancy suit, what about Tech Marines in just normal power armour or terminator armour? What about bike mounted techmarines? Throw in a cool Land Raider/Rhino variant or two, we've got the new anti-air one, which is cool, what about a Sabre or some AA Land Raider? As for the veterans, we've got a veteran version of the tactical squad (Sternguard) and the assault squad (Vanguard), so what about a veteran version of the devastator squad? What about assault squads without jump packs? What about an updated bike kit, so far only the Dark Angels seem to have one. So just a 6th edition bike and attack bike.

I agree wholeheartedly but nothing says BUY ME KIDS! more than made in Taiwan looking new SM variants.

I got three words for you: spring loaded missiles!

 Bonde wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

This has probably been said already, but those models look just right to convert some really great looking Mega armoured Nobz with plenty of bitz and nob heads.

Those are terrible

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

With that helmet, they make awesome Angry Marines.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

They need to have that entire head region covered, like in that pictured I posted earlier.

Like those suits in Silent Storm, you know?


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 proditorcappela wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

With that helmet, they make awesome Angry Marines.

Well, it's certainly stupid enough to be 4chan worthy.

I wonder what happens if they fall down, it must require a squad of tacticals to try to get it to stand up again.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Centurions look stupid, and if what I heard from Kanluwen is right, then the fluff is just as stupid.

Could you elaborate on the fluff?

My Mrs reckons they look like Tellytubbies:..

I expect the tacticals and veterans will look boss however. Stabilised up armoured Rhino chassis is pretty cool too

 proditorcappela wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

With that helmet, they make awesome Angry Marines.

Oh dear... massive quantities of bits will be needed. Those heads must be used with tactical marines ANGRY MARINES!

 RandyMcStab wrote:
My Mrs reckons they look like Tellytubbies:..

I expect the tacticals and veterans to look boss however. Stabilised up armoured Rhino chassis is pretty cool too

They were being called Termitubbies (on some other sites at least) before the pics even went up!

 ashikenshin wrote:
I wonder what happens if they fall down, it must require a squad of tacticals to try to get it to stand up again.

To be fair, the same applies to Terminators and Dreadnoughts anyhow. And there're long and painful discussions on this forum somewhere on how 40K Tanks just don't work. Can't drive over obstacles, etc.., etc..

 Daba wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
My Mrs reckons they look like Tellytubbies:..

I expect the tacticals and veterans to look boss however. Stabilised up armoured Rhino chassis is pretty cool too

They were being called Termitubbies (on some other sites at least) before the pics even went up!

Termitubbies!!!

That made us both laugh

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 proditorcappela wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

With that helmet, they make awesome Angry Marines.

Oh dear... massive quantities of bits will be needed. Those heads must be used with tactical marines ANGRY MARINES!

The drill needs to be replaced with spiky doorknobs covered in spikes. As in, spikes on the spikes.

 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

No, I'm simply saying no matter how you can say "the opinion is 50/50", I'm showing that is not true. With math.

If you wish to now move the goalposts as is your wont, be my guest.

I put up a poll on Capture and Control about this.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2013/08/poll-what-do-you-think-of-new-centurion.html

Not really scientific either but C&C does pull from a slightly different audience base than just this thread on Dakka.

Since people are tallying votes, I'll say I kinda like them. And will also point out that people with strong objections are more likely to post that people who think they look good or better. I didn't feel the need to proclaim my feelings about them initially, but some of you sure did. That can skew a poll result as well, when the respondents are not randomly selected.

I have to say, I don't *dislike* the Centurions as models in their own right. The chunky aesthetic is cool in its rightful place (in fact, the shoulders in particular kinda remind me of Khador) and I can see them being fun to put together and paint.

HOWEVER - they do not fit the Space Marine aesthetic at all. Whoever created/approved this particular design really dropped the ball.

milo wrote:
Since people are tallying votes, I'll say I kinda like them. And will also point out that people with strong objections are more likely to post that people who think they look good or better. I didn't feel the need to proclaim my feelings about them initially, but some of you sure did. That can skew a poll result as well, when the respondents are not randomly selected.

That's why I called my poll "highly scientific"

They just look too, uh fat? hence the name termitubbies, but I think in comparison to obliterators ( because that is probably the best equivalent) the look a little packed together and static. If you ask me though, as a space marine player, I would not buy them for their look. Im with converting them.

I usually don't mind if models are not absolutely perfect, as I like converting anyway. However, with these I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble. Might be easier to just start from the scratch.

So basically, GW started making minis, with static, boring poses. Over the years, they became much more dynamic. Then that leveled out a bit, and we were stuck with bald, screaming, pointing men. And now the slope is going back down to boring and static and WAY too much gak on there.



Chalk me up for a big fat "NO" on the Centuritubbies. I rather like the Rhino though. a Little tweeking and itd look pretty boss

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

Yeah, my feeling is that if you absolutely must have these, they could be improved by making the shoulders and the helmet one big piece, like the Puppetswar models or a EOD suit. .

sigh… those are ugly..

Ooze, youre the shizz my friend

Good to know. It was the general consensus of my friends that it was a fake, but not do to "dropping to that level", but more to the fact that GW hasn't posed anything that dynamic before. That thing actually looks like it is moving.

Moving ugly, but moving.

 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

No, I'm simply saying no matter how you can say "the opinion is 50/50", I'm showing that is not true. With math.

If you wish to now move the goalposts as is your wont, be my guest.

Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

Man, and here I thought the chaos mutilators looked bad! At least they were apparently a last minute rush job to fill a model gap left in the release when aplastic oblit/muti dual kit hit some snag or other. These guys are a fancy new plastic kit - what's their excuse?

Maybe they'll look less off in person, but... Honestly, adding obliterators to the loyalist marine book was a dumb idea to begin with.

Those are gak.

They can't feth up the Sternguard kit right?

...right?

GW's attempt at heresy era terminators stinks!!!! leave it to forge world GW… Leave it to forge world!!!

Those are just horrible.. I just cant see ever liking them..

I imagine we will see A LOT of homemade variants of those if they are worth taking rules wise..

No the Sternguard will look awesome Id bet. The only thing to complain there Id say would be how many combiweapons will be in the kit? Because Im seeing them do the age old 1 of each so you need to buy 5 kits to get 5 combimeltas and so on

 Crimson wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Centurions look stupid, and if what I heard from Kanluwen is right, then the fluff is just as stupid.

Could you elaborate on the fluff?

It has been lost in the thread but around page 28 or so, someone mentioned that "wounded Marines are placed inside the Centurion suits until they are fully healed".

 Plokoone wrote:
Those are gak.

They can't feth up the Sternguard kit right?

...right?

Those that have seen it have been effusive about it, so there's little chance of it thankfully.

Warsmith262 wrote:
GW's attempt at heresy era terminators stinks!!!! leave it to forge world GW… Leave it to forge world!!!

Those are not supposed to be Heresy-era Terminators.

They are supposed to be something else entirely.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It has been lost in the thread but around page 28 or so, someone mentioned that "wounded Marines are placed inside the Centurion suits until they are fully healed".

That's all good and well, but they're still going to have to deal with Loki, their mixed feelings about Ms. Potts, and their rampant alcoholism.

It's interesting to see the very different opinions on the centurions,as far as im concerned I might take these over finecast oblits. In other news the stalker tank looks pretty cool though.

 Ouze wrote:

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence.

I remember this exact same discussion when the first pics of the pumbagore were out, everyone cried fake but it wasn't!.

The top halfs looks Great IMO, Now I just neeed to fiqure out how to make the bottom decent.
Im thinking armored up terminator legs. I got some laying around frm models I dont use

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence.

I remember this exact same discussion when the first pics of the pumbagore were out, everyone cried fake but it wasn't!.

What do you want, an in-depth investigation?

It's a fake. Move on.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.
So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

You too would look that angry if you needed to go to the washroom when encased in that, or is it just wearing it would make you that angry?
The power waddling would create motion sickness like nobody's business.
They are marines however: made of sterner stuff.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence.

I remember this exact same discussion when the first pics of the pumbagore were out, everyone cried fake but it wasn't!.

Well first we have these little details:


Also, how would someone have an early leak of the digital WD that no one else has?

And then there is this:

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence.

I remember this exact same discussion when the first pics of the pumbagore were out, everyone cried fake but it wasn't!.

Buried somewhere in the previous pages there's a link to an already existing model that looks pretty much exactly like this, except for the right arm, which looks just like a WW variant from FW.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence.

I remember this exact same discussion when the first pics of the pumbagore were out, everyone cried fake but it wasn't!.

What do you want, an in-depth investigation?

It's a fake. Move on.

I think that thinking the model is not fake is fake for thinking that. Suprised no mantic bombs.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence.

I remember this exact same discussion when the first pics of the pumbagore were out, everyone cried fake but it wasn't!.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278011-new-codex-space-marines-rumor/page-23#entry3414910

OK, I have to get this off my chest, with all this "Well that's, just, like, your opinion, maaan." stuff floating around.

Yes, whether or not you, as an individual, like something, is an opinion.

However.

It is possible to enjoy something which is also objectively poorly executed. These models are static, they conspire to give off the impression that they would be incapable of walking without tripping over their own feet, there doesn't appear to be any way for them to actually use their ludicrously oversized weapons-on-top-of-other-weapons without snapping the suit pilot's spine like the Hammer Industries demo from Iron Man 2.

Everyone seems capable of accepting that you can subjectively appreciate objectively bad things when it comes to movies, music, and other forms of media, even art, that king of hipsterish subjectivity, but for some reason with models, nobody is ever allowed to say anything negative without a gigantic floating flashing neon sign over their head that reads "IMO".

For example, Terminators; they're great, I really like them, but they're objectively stupid because the pilot must either be a hunchback with his head between his pecs, or a man with a broken spine and dislocated shoulders. Admitting that there are objective flaws with those models does not diminish my subjective enjoyment of them, because I don't feel obligated to consider any negative opinion of something I like as a personal attack.

There's also the fact that that missile launcher is from the Forgeworld Horus Heresy Whilrlwind, and as a result has a different aesthetic than anything GW prime puts out. GW hasn't put out a gun that looked like that since Rogue Trader. That and yeah, it's an obvious robot from Votoms and not a GW-designed thing. I think it's pretty conclusive that it's bogus and somebody's having fun with gullible forumgoers.

No one's ever watched Votoms?

 scarletsquig wrote:
I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence

What possible evidence could be produced, or needed, to rebut the fact that that is a VOTOMS mecha with a Ultramarines Drop Pod bit glued to it's shoulder and a forge world gun on the right arm?

To put it differently; here is a rumor. I heard that Games Workshop has licensed out 40k to make a cartoon. Here is a leaked image of a Necron lord.





Prove that's not a hoax.

 mattyrm wrote:
Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

I do not have impotent rage and fury!!!! It is quite potent and I thought I was being so responsible in this forum... oh, not me specifically, carry on then.

 mattyrm wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

No, I'm simply saying no matter how you can say "the opinion is 50/50", I'm showing that is not true. With math.

If you wish to now move the goalposts as is your wont, be my guest.

Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to give helpful and constructive criticism because they care.

Fixed your typo. According to what some people have said, that is.

I'm offering free tin foil hats for every conspiracy theory discovered today!

 Ouze wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence

What possible evidence could be produced, or needed, to rebut the fact that that is a VOTOMS mecha with a Ultramarines Drop Pod bit glued to it's shoulder and a forge world gun on the right arm?

To put it differently; here is a rumor. I heard that Games Workshop has licensed out 40k to make a cartoon. Here is a leaked image of a Necron lord.

Spoiler:

Prove that's not a hoax.

Dude, if only this was true. I would jump around with joy if my Necron Lords were THAT guy

What amazes me is that I get a greater sense of dynamism from the full-on Dreadnoughts than I do from the Centurions. Depending on how easy it is to adjust the poses on these things, I could see them being good or bad. Fix the poses a bit, add some weathering to reduce the toy factor a bit, and they could be some nice looking models. As it is, those pictures don't do anything to make me want to buy the product (beyond the standard OMG NEW SPACE MARINE GAK that always gets me.)

 Ouze wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence

What possible evidence could be produced, or needed, to rebut the fact that that is a VOTOMS mecha with a Ultramarines Drop Pod bit glued to it's shoulder and a forge world gun on the right arm?

To put it differently; here is a rumor. I heard that Games Workshop has licensed out 40k to make a cartoon. Here is a leaked image of a Necron lord.

Spoiler:

Prove that's not a hoax.

Dude I'm down for ten of those. More of my money spent on none gw stuff in the future.

How do we know they're static? For all we know they've got posable joints like the Contemptor Dreadnoughts and the Riptide.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

And it's good to see you take yet another opportunity to plug Mantic.

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right? And that the proportions are absolutely awful

No their not and whats wrong with saying you like a brand Kanluwen?
You just hate Mantic, trying to keep your post count up, or trying to be relevant and active outside the Infinity topic? ; P I kid… Sort of.
Kanluwen just likes to argue with people…a rare prototype, never mind him. I’d buy those mantic models over the Centurions any day.
I’m dying to see the Sternguard… really surprised they made no dual kits for foot troop.

 Sekai wrote:
And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.
What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

No the vast majority says garbage…
But Maybe the character kits do have extra parts maybe even builds that would be a good thing. Extra Chaplain heads couldn’t hurt.

Is it bad I want to buy the Centurions for the pure purpose of painting them like the stay puff marshmallow man?

 mattyrm wrote:

Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

It shouldn't be a surprise that, on a site that has a very heavy GW, nay, 40K slant, when pictures of a new kit for their biggest selling line appear and are widely condemned as being fairly gakky, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth?

For the record, I'm, apparently uniquely, ambivalent about them. If they're good in game, I might buy some, otherwise meh.

Helmets should be compulsory though.

PS
Kanluwen You reckon they've made them much bigger so they can be more creative?

I wonder if you removed the crotch guard on the Centurions, would it look more dynamic and mobile? Part of the problem (to me at least) seems to be that you have the heavily armored legs, and the loin guard bit kinda visually blends in to look like an extended lower torso.

If that were gone, it might allow for a more dynamic pose, and make it look more symmetrical.

For bonus points, you can then put a chapter symbol over their junk like a guy wearing an octopus codpiece at a Renn-fest.

 Lansirill wrote:
What amazes me is that I get a greater sense of dynamism from the full-on Dreadnoughts than I do from the Centurions. Depending on how easy it is to adjust the poses on these things, I could see them being good or bad. Fix the poses a bit, add some weathering to reduce the toy factor a bit, and they could be some nice looking models. As it is, those pictures don't do anything to make me want to buy the product (beyond the standard OMG NEW SPACE MARINE GAK that always gets me.)

I hope the armor plates on the legs are removable, they look the worse. If you can remove the armor and add some other types on it, they would be so cool

 MilesBergs wrote:
Is it bad I want to buy the Centurions for the pure purpose of painting them like the stay puff marshmallow man?

Only to the extent that it GW will take it as a message that people like them.

 5deadly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

And it's good to see you take yet another opportunity to plug Mantic.

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right? And that the proportions are absolutely awful

No their not and whats wrong with saying you like a brand Kanluwen?
You just hate Mantic, trying to keep your post count up, or trying to be relevant and active outside the Infinity topic? ; P I kid… Sort of.
Kanluwen just likes to argue with people…a rare prototype, never mind him. I’d buy those mantic models over the Centurions any day.
I’m dying to see the Sternguard… really surprised they made no dual kits for foot troop.

 Sekai wrote:
And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.
What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

No the vast majority says garbage…
But Maybe the character kits do have extra parts maybe even builds that would be a good thing. Extra Chaplain heads couldn’t hurt.

You don't go to a Ford dealer to try and buy a Chevy

 Spacemanvic wrote:
OMG, those Centurions:



What the heck was GW thinking? They look like a Space Marine in a full body cast or a chick with thunder thighs.

Ewww, no!

I second that. I dont know if I would ever use the new centurion models. The next tank on the other hand it pretty cool looking imo.

 MilesBergs wrote:
Is it bad I want to buy the Centurions for the pure purpose of painting them like the stay puff marshmallow man?

I approve of Stay Puff

 azreal13 wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:

Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

It shouldn't be a surprise that, on a site that has a very heavy GW, nay, 40K slant, when pictures of a new kit for their biggest selling line appear and are widely condemned as being fairly gakky, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth?

For the record, I'm, apparently uniquely, ambivalent about them. If they're good in game, I might buy some, otherwise meh.

Helmets should be compulsory though.

PS
Kanluwen You reckon they've made them much bigger so they can be more creative?

Cute. Cute.

But again you have simply proved my point. There is no way to be creative when creating new infantry types.

 Sekai wrote:
And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.

What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

These things look like garbage. They're clunky, very limited in posing, and don't fit well with current Space Marine Aesthetic, unless you are comparing them to the Apoc marines that were just released. As a Space Marine player, I should not have to buy Cataphractii Terminators in order to make something that GW sells look good. If I wanted something with the curves of a Cataphractii Terminator, I'd buy a Cataphractii Terminator...

 Ouze wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
I've seen a lot of people posting that it is fake, but no actual evidence

What possible evidence could be produced, or needed, to rebut the fact that that is a VOTOMS mecha with a Ultramarines Drop Pod bit glued to it's shoulder and a forge world gun on the right arm?

To put it differently; here is a rumor. I heard that Games Workshop has licensed out 40k to make a cartoon. Here is a leaked image of a Necron lord.

Spoiler:

Prove that's not a hoax.

That got an exalt.

 Talizvar wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

I do not have impotent rage and fury!!!! It is quite potent and I thought I was being so responsible in this forum... oh, not me specifically, carry on then.

I love made up statistics! They give so much legitimacy to online e-peen arguments.

I'd rather buy Contemptors and knockem down 4mms with some cuts here and there or get some Tartaros pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armor and kit it out raise the base level to height and throw it on the right base size. If the rules are solid then I’ll make proxies for them.

Thinking about getting some Mk V Armor and Phobos Pattern Bolters and building a new 2000 point force… I already have 15+ Mk IV sets and a tons of rare heads… hmmmm
Sternguard!
Hey who made Sternguard scoring units?

Am I the only one who feels they need to have a word with the designer who insists on making these static poses and stocky figures with all the bling?

We saw it with all the deathwing releases, now these centurions...

I just hope they kept him away from the vet sculpts....

 5deadly wrote:
I'd rather buy Contemptors and knockem down 4mms with some cuts here and there or get some Tartaros pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armor and kit it out raise the base level to height and throw it on the right base size. If the rules are solid then I’ll make proxies for them.

Thinking about getting some Mk V Armor and Phobos Pattern Bolters and building a new 2000 point force… I already have 15+ Mk IV sets and a tons of rare heads… hmmmm
Sternguard!
Hey who made Sternguard scoring units?

Do you mean Pedro?
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_Master_Pedro_Kantor

 pities2004 wrote:
You don't go to a Ford dealer to try and buy a Chevy

Please tell me your talking about proxies so I can clown you...

I really want to like them, the centaurions, but I cant

 c0j1r0 wrote:

 5deadly wrote:
I'd rather buy Contemptors and knockem down 4mms with some cuts here and there or get some Tartaros pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armor and kit it out raise the base level to height and throw it on the right base size. If the rules are solid then I’ll make proxies for them.

Thinking about getting some Mk V Armor and Phobos Pattern Bolters and building a new 2000 point force… I already have 15+ Mk IV sets and a tons of rare heads… hmmmm
Sternguard!
Hey who made Sternguard scoring units?

Do you mean Pedro?
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_Master_Pedro_Kantor

Pedro?

 thenoobbomb wrote:

In the end, you'll buy them anyways.

Wrong.

Maybe use FW terminators for them and get the bits somewhere

 MWHistorian wrote:
No one's ever watched Votoms?

Yes, some opf the original tapes in Japanise with subtitals.
I was one of the 1st to make the Votoms Referance.
I use a bunch of them for IG Sentinals.

Wait for slew of 3rd party versions?

 schadenfreude wrote:
I like the new centurian models because they have a lot of potential. Paint them black and white, replace the head with a 3rd party stargate looking bird head and then you have the galaxy's most heavily armed penguins waddling across the battlefield to purge the heritics and xenos.

Someone who is familiar with his Gwar and/or Lovecraft might really like this idea.

 5deadly wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:

 5deadly wrote:
I'd rather buy Contemptors and knockem down 4mms with some cuts here and there or get some Tartaros pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armor and kit it out raise the base level to height and throw it on the right base size. If the rules are solid then I’ll make proxies for them.

Thinking about getting some Mk V Armor and Phobos Pattern Bolters and building a new 2000 point force… I already have 15+ Mk IV sets and a tons of rare heads… hmmmm
Sternguard!
Hey who made Sternguard scoring units?

Do you mean Pedro?
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_Master_Pedro_Kantor

Pedro?

Pedro Kantor makes Sternguard scoring in the current Codex. No telling if he still will in the new one though.

 mattyrm wrote:
Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

Perhaps I need to add a disclaimer to my complaints that require them to be read out loud in a flat Ben Stein monotone. I'm getting sick and tired of being accused of "raging" or "fury" just for dispassionately stating my opinion. If I'm angry, rest assured I will spell it out for you geniuses in no uncertain terms.

For a second there I thought squats were back. They do look kinda like I would imagine demiurg. At least they'll make good meganobs.

I'm pretty sure the Centurions will look better when we can get a look at the 360 images - not to mention when we see them in the flesh.

Also, I don't see them being fixed in these poses. Remember this thread? It says in there that at a recent event at WHW GW designers stated that their aim for all big models from the Riptide onwards is full poseability.

SSo we are not getting a giant mechanical walker? :( We better have some bad ass gear to make up for it.

After seeing those three monstrosities, I think I have been cured of buying anymore GW stuff. They are without doubt the worst models I've seen from GW; terrible poses on all three, ridiculous amount of weapons to the point of silliness. The designer should have been flogged. Cancel that, the person that gave the go ahead for them to go into production should have been flogged.

the biggest issue i see with the centurions is that the waist to knee area seems to be one piece. That will hamper any attempts at repositioning the legs and their current stance is the biggest offender.

In the end, if the legs are too hard to reposition without major resculpting, I might just kitbash those with a Tartaros set and get something like this.

I'm far more interested in the troop kits. These were a bad idea conceptually, and the design process did them no favors. SMs will live and die on the quality of their PA and TA models. I'm still very excited to see those. And hopeful that they will be worth the wait.

I can't express how much I dislike those assault centurians Wow!

Having said that I think it just a problem with the dual kit nature of the box. I expect the heavy weapons will look much better.

And since shooting is king they'll be the ones you want.

I have seen those chest bolters before:

Yeah, baby

Anyway: Termitubbies indeed look like they stand on 60mm bases whatever the rumours say.
Only way they might be assaulting fast, is with Ork heads and red paint.
And the new AA tank looks much broader than a Rhino.

Centurions are crap, but who cares? Show me the new tacticals and Veterans already!!!

 Kroothawk wrote:
I have seen those chest bolters before:

Yeah, baby

Anyway: Termitubbies indeed look like they stand on 60mm bases whatever the rumours say.
Only way they might be assaulting fast, is with Ork heads and red paint.
And the new AA tank looks much broader than a Rhino.

New Sisters of Battle unit spotted

I'm not as repulsed by these as I thought i'd be when I heard about them. I want to see the kit/sprues on GW's before passing judgement, learning from past experience.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

This looks epic. I hope the kits fit together well.

I do like the look of the AA tank, the more stable support system to keep it from falling over was a good idea too.

The Centurions though... When I first heard rumors of 'something between a Termie and a Dread' my reaction was 'Why?'. It seemed like a solution looking for a non-existent problem. But I figured since they were new they would be pretty cool models.
Now that I've seen them they have graduated from a pointless 'solution', to a bad idea, poorly executed, that is just plain ugly. Maybe they'll look slightly better as we see more, but they would practically have to be different models altogether to get me to buy any.

Hopefully the PA models are good though, I prefer good looking smaller models over the bigger stuff anyway.

I have enough tactical squads and 15 sternguard, I dont need more. But I want more.

At this point they might as well just start putting guns on pillar and start selling those.

I'm liking the sound of a couple of the bitss in the new tac squad, the changing a mag on the bolter set and the smaller power fist.

I wonder if part of it might be the painting, To me yellow always looks ugly

I was thinking about using FW termies for centurions too, but it seems to me that centurions are on 60mm bases, making them way bigger than terminators.

With all the talk of the Centurions, I'm more concerned with the rules....

The assault Centurions are interesting to say the least, but with assault in 6th and going against the other new codices, are they even going to be relevant?

I mean, the seem like mutilators to me....slow moving, easy targets and they are rumored at $78 US to boot :/

Hopefully the statline changes how I think they are going to play. -- in any case, I don't think I'll be getting the assault version unless Vulkan keeps his Twin linking ability AND they get an option for increased mobility.

 Crimson wrote:
I was thinking about using FW termies for centurions too, but it seems to me that centurions are on 60mm bases, making them way bigger than terminators.

Looking at the heads and power fists they don't look all that bigger.

I bet they have an amazing inv in there and a really goood way to get into Assault

I am more interested in the fluff for how they came about.

The wounded marines being in them while they heal was someones pure speculation in this thread, nothing based on anything so far. Someone who got the white dwarf be able to elaborate?

I must admit when I saw the Centurion pics my heart sank because I liked the idea behind them from the rumors. Hopefully they will be more appealing in person. Yeah, it is hard to tell what size base they are on. I have a dreadnought right in front of me and it's hard to picture that these guys are on 60mm bases. Would it be completely out of the question for GW to make a new base size for these, like 50mm? (Shrug)
The Stalker I like a lot, I wonder how close the Hunter will be to its Epic predecessor.

When you compare the base height to the width, it doesn't look like GW 40mm base to me. However, 60mm base would mean they're enormous.

I'm too used to the 'initial hatred for a blurry image - apathy at a slightly better angle - thinking they're not too bad once they're up in 360 on the GW site' cycle to jump on the bandwagon against those things yet.

But I lol'd. I imagine I'll buy some Dreadmen though, if only to see what sort of bitz or Ork conversions can come out of it

 NickTheButcher wrote:
With all the talk of the Centurions, I'm more concerned with the rules....

The assault Centurions are interesting to say the least, but with assault in 6th and going against the other new codices, are they even going to be relevant?

I mean, the seem like mutilators to me....slow moving, easy targets and they are rumored at $78 US to boot :/

Hopefully the statline changes how I think they are going to play. -- in any case, I don't think I'll be getting the assault version unless Vulkan keeps his Twin linking ability AND they get an option for increased mobility.

Indeed, its hard to see them being better or cheaper than terminator CC, if you feel the need to have CC.
It looks like they are specialized against AV/vehicles, but no one need to specialize to take out vehicles these days.
Perhaps they act as techmarines by mending HPs and bolstering defences as well as being CC oriented.
Perhaps they are some lame solution to bolster tanks AV in a ruleset that othervise nerf vehicles.
They could basicly have any kind of supporting function we dont know about.

 Leth wrote:
I am more interested in the fluff for how they came about.
The wounded marines being in them while they heal was someones pure speculation in this thread, nothing based on anything so far. Someone who got the white dwarf be able to elaborate?

That was meant as a joke by me... if you are near death you go in a dreadnaught, if hurt a bit, you go in a centurion?

I wouldn't put it passed GW to put them on a 60mm base and call them MCs. That might also might explain the high price tag.

Edit: I dunno though, those MIGHT be 40mm bases.

If they are on 40mm bases they'd make for excellent Iron Hands terminators...

Centurions and that new pentient engine thing look so terrible

How does a whirlwind need stabilizing? Missle launchers don't have recoil..... (miniscule compared to a similar sized cannon)

Why couldn't it have been something more like this

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I wonder if part of it might be the painting, To me yellow always looks ugly

It's the poses. I love yellow and I think those models look less than good. It's the super static and stocky poses (along with dreadfeet) that are killing it for me.

 Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

Everyone keeps slagging off the Centurions, but to me, they don't actually look that bad :S They kind of have those weird screaming skull visors that the FW Khorne Berserker kit has, and I think that the kits actually also have a lot of potential for both Iron Warrior oblits, and some pretty cool conversions regarding the leftover weapons (I'm picturing a missile launcher, but in stead of the end, it has a breaching drill, and a space marine ramming it into a CSM as if it was a battering ram) Just my thoughts

@Crablezworth
Not enough skulls, laurels and other useless bling.

*sigh*

What I am really interested in is not the assault centurions but rather the devastator centurions. I think stationary/slow-moving roles fit the look of the models, so far, better anyway.

P.S. I kinda like the looks of them so far, but my opinion will be better shaped with 360 degree views and views of the heavy weapons cents.

Is it just me or do those helmets remind me of Angry Marines?

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
Is it just me or do those helmets remind me of Angry Marines?

No. Other people have thought that as well.

 Harriticus wrote:
Centurions and that new pentient engine thing look so terrible

What Penitent Engine thing?

I guess my biggest problem with them is they look to "cartoony". I would say make them about an inch taller and make the legs not as thick they would look much better.

I want to strap giant laser cannons to the backs of those centurions. Much like an old tau broad side. Secondly get rid of those damn drills, just have the arms hang out. Then you have the space marine broad sides.

First reaction: "They look god awful."

Second reaction... "That might be the BRIGHT YELLOW paint scheme."

Third reaction: Hey, wait a second, aren't those arms and heads even MORE wrong than the standard terminator proportions. Even the exosuit / dreadknight point of view doesn't work as there's no way to actually move your elbows inside that suit.

 cormadepanda wrote:
I want to strap giant laser cannons to the backs of those centurions. Much like an old tau broad side. Secondly get rid of those damn drills, just have the arms hang out. Then you have the space marine broad sides.

Imperium of Man: Stealing ideas for over 20,000 years.

Joking aside. When we get some images of the devastator centurions, we will see if it will be too much to do that with them.

Just saying the GW design team might have had a good reason

 Compel wrote:
First reaction: "They look god awful."

Second reaction... "That might be the BRIGHT YELLOW paint scheme."

Third reaction: Hey, wait a second, aren't those arms and heads even MORE wrong than the standard terminator proportions. Even the exosuit / dreadknight point of view doesn't work as there's no way to actually move your elbows inside that suit.

Agreed, I went through the same... I don't think there's any saving these for me, but luckily I have an excellent alternate model in mind to use

 HoverBoy wrote:

Just saying the GW design team might have had a good reason

One of the best shows ever. IF, those Marines included your own Kiva Andru, oh yeah, massive sales boost

Those centurions are high-larious.

The sad thing is, I was actually thinking I was being unfair on the model at Reaction #2.

Lol Compel, you read my mind again

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 Compel wrote:
First reaction: "They look god awful."

Second reaction... "That might be the BRIGHT YELLOW paint scheme."

Third reaction: Hey, wait a second, aren't those arms and heads even MORE wrong than the standard terminator proportions. Even the exosuit / dreadknight point of view doesn't work as there's no way to actually move your elbows inside that suit.

 RiTides wrote:

Agreed, I went through the same... I don't think there's any saving these for me, but luckily I have an excellent alternate model in mind to use

Please, share?

They looks surprisingly bad to me, I'm not sure what it is but the poses and proportions just dont look right. Compared to how good some of the other kits have been recently they just seem like something of a letdown.

That said they look like an easy enough conversion from a terminator base model if needed. Depending on rules.

I suppose one could fix the head size issue on the centurions by adding a rollcage type dome or something. That still leaves the awful looking legs, however. Maybe they could be converted to look modular, kinda like the tau riptides legs?

I dunno. I don't play SM, but I've already been crippled because I refuse to use the abominable Heldrake model.

I just don't understand what purpose these are supposed to serve. Between Terminators and Dreadnoughts, I can't figure out how these will fit in.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I was thinking about using FW termies for centurions too, but it seems to me that centurions are on 60mm bases, making them way bigger than terminators.

Looking at the heads and power fists they don't look all that bigger.

Just throwing this out there, what if they're on new 50mm bases?

Well I showed them to my nine year old son, who thought they where fething amazing.. his own words (yes we taught him fake swears ) and in general loved the new models.

So I guess they are hitting their core audience.

Not for me mind, and to be honest I'd love the see the fluff for them, I'm scratching my head on why they'd be a necessary development in Marine warfare.

 Compel wrote:
First reaction: "They look god awful."

Second reaction... "That might be the BRIGHT YELLOW paint scheme."

Third reaction: Hey, wait a second, aren't those arms and heads even MORE wrong than the standard terminator proportions. Even the exosuit / dreadknight point of view doesn't work as there's no way to actually move your elbows inside that suit.

Um, it's very obvious that they're not modeled to have the space marine arms "inside" the outer arms or anything silly like that. The space marine is contained within the torso of the unit. Put a regular space marine next to the picture with the same size helm for scale, and the entire mini fits within the torso.

I like the assault Centurions and the Stalker / Hunter.I do still want to see the Heavy weapon dudes though.

How can you go from creating Dark Eldar to this.... just stahppp.

At least forgeworld knows how to make marines!

 5deadly wrote:
I'd rather buy Contemptors and knockem down 4mms with some cuts here and there or get some Tartaros pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armor and kit it out raise the base level to height and throw it on the right base size. If the rules are solid then I’ll make proxies for them.

Thinking about getting some Mk V Armor and Phobos Pattern Bolters and building a new 2000 point force… I already have 15+ Mk IV sets and a tons of rare heads… hmmmm
Sternguard!
Hey who made Sternguard scoring units?

Pedro Kantor of the Crimson Fists

Locrian wrote:

Um, it's very obvious that they're not modeled to have the space marine arms "inside" the outer arms or anything silly like that. The space marine is contained within the torso of the unit. Put a regular space marine next to the picture with the same size helm for scale, and the entire mini fits within the torso.

Nice to see someone else realises this. They are more like heavy walkers than suits of armour.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Just throwing this out there, what if they're on new 50mm bases?

It would absolutely make sense scale-wise, but it would mean GW introducing a new base size.

 c0j1r0 wrote:
Pedro Kantor makes Sternguard scoring in the current Codex. No telling if he still will in the new one though.

Duh... thanks man!
I totally forgot about him at this point... Hmmm return to my crimson fist.... No must DIY another chapter....

 Crimson wrote:
I was thinking about using FW termies for centurions too, but it seems to me that centurions are on 60mm bases, making them way bigger than terminators.

Nothing wrong with that man. I’m looking at “His masters Voice” Photoshop pic and thinking I might just do that if the rules rock… use a 60mm base if they are on 60s and raise the height a touch. At this point you can make a pretty scenic base too

I dunno...they look OK and I've already gotten some conversion ideas.
Of course the rules will be the make or break point on these guys...S4T4W1 Sv2+5++ you may as well just stick with TH/SS termies.
However, something like S5T5W2 Sv 2+ 3 or 4++ would make them more palatable. Also how many transport slots do they take? 2 like a termie? or perhaps 3 (so your squad of 3 just fit in a pod or standard LR with enough room for a PA HQ to tag along).
If the Assault version has no new hotness goochy way of dealing with Tau Support fire they will likely just die as fast as a 5 man termie unit.

While not a scientific poll by anymeans the poll I put up on capture and control has had 71 responses in a little over an hour. They are resoundingly negative. But you know, its all just opinion...

 Crimson wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Just throwing this out there, what if they're on new 50mm bases?

It would absolutely make sense scale-wise, but it would mean GW introducing a new base size.

They've done it plenty of times before in WHFB (Skarsnik, Araknarok) the last one we had in 40k was the oval base.

The thing that I don't like on the centurions is not the heads or legs but those huge drills. Try taking away the drills and they don't look as bad.

Also here are some new legs http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CASTELLAX_BATTLE_AUTOMATA.html Would be expensive though

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Not for me mind, and to be honest I'd love the see the fluff for them, I'm scratching my head on why they'd be a necessary development in Marine warfare.

That's the one thing about the Centurions - particularly the Assault version - that currently interests me.

 Fezman wrote:

Locrian wrote:

Um, it's very obvious that they're not modeled to have the space marine arms "inside" the outer arms or anything silly like that. The space marine is contained within the torso of the unit. Put a regular space marine next to the picture with the same size helm for scale, and the entire mini fits within the torso.

Nice to see someone else realises this. They are more like heavy walkers than suits of armour.

Or wholesale bionics. I dont really think they are, because it would be the easiest way to make make sense of the proportions (and would indeed place them betveen terminators and dreadnoughts, in many ways).
I keep making exuses and possibilities for these models. I actually like them
(and are 90% sure they will look great once I see the actual model, also the first blurry ultras was actually less static than the yellow ones).
Still, I dont trust GW to write up convincing fluff for them.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well I showed them to my nine year old son, who thought they where fething amazing.. his own words (yes we taught him fake swears ) and in general loved the new models.

A

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

Not for me mind, and to be honest I'd love the see the fluff for them, I'm scratching my head on why they'd be a necessary development in Marine warfare.

The assault drill centurier assault drills his way into any fortress, maybe?
> Anti-building - marines to prepare for more Terrain kits?

Fluff is, an STC was found and double wielding weapons isn't a bad thing, so.....

But don't SM have ironclad and regular dreadnoughts just for breaching fortifications. I mean ironclad has a weapon just for that sole purpose.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Just throwing this out there, what if they're on new 50mm bases?

Could be. They did introduce the 40mm base to accommodate the Brian Nelson's Warboss, there's no reason they can't introduce another base for a unit that needs it.

Saying that I do believe some of the early rumours stated those are mounted on 40mm.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well I showed them to my nine year old son, who thought they where fething amazing.. his own words (yes we taught him fake swears

Exemplary parenting.

I'm dead serious here.

Time for termitubbies!

We just need some green and red ones to go with the blue and yellow.

I laugh at the failure of GW.
Man I will have to write some lore about how the Chapters Refuse to use the Mini-Dreadknights at all. Of course I could slap on some awesome helmets, dull down the armor and make them look awesome...

Hmm. I see potential but it still looks dumber than nails.

Lol, lexicanum strikes again!

 pizzaguardian wrote:
But don't SM have ironclad and regular dreadnoughts just for breaching fortifications. I mean ironclad has a weapon just for that sole purpose.

They have Dreadnoughts to save fallen Brothers and let them fight on. There's only so many Dreadnoughts in a Chapter, being able to add some non-Dreadnought brothers to a breaching effort could come in handy.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Why couldn't it have been something more like this

I was mildly excited when I saw these concept pieces but that feeling has been now replaced by disappointment. There was a possibility of having a cool looking Devastator replacement, but what we got is just silly.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Lol, lexicanum strikes again!

I actually think those don't look even remotely orkish, and I don't mean the paintjob.

Those concept sketches are still of a marine in power armor, and the Centurions are somewhere between TERMINATOR armor and DREADNOUGHTS.

That's why they don't look like that.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Lol, lexicanum strikes again!

I actually think those don't look even remotely orkish, and I don't mean the paintjob.

But it still looks better than the real thing!

Not as far as I'm concerned, but to each it's own I guess.

 Arschbombe wrote:
Time for termitubbies!

We just need some green and red ones to go with the blue and yellow.

So Salamanders, Ultra Marines and Imperial Fists?

Who will red be, as Blood Angels won't be there?

Anyone else thinking that the men inside these things had their arms ripped off and then their chest widedned by 2.5x to make their shoulders wide enough for these centurion suits?

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Not as far as I'm concerned, but to each it's own I guess.

Now, now, we've been over that in this thread already. Opinions about models and aesthetics are facts and must be argued about incessantly

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Lol, lexicanum strikes again!

Lol those are pretty much spot on. few more orky bits and you are good to go.

I see nothing wrong with the models. All I see in rumor threads like this is that the people with the negative opinions are the most vocal about them.

My plague drones look awesome and painted even better. They are impressive on the playing board and everyone loves them. In the daemon rumors thread people were ripping on them like no tomorrow..

I think they'd look nicer if somebody covered the head cavity with a dome of some sort, similar to a Terran Marine from Starcraft or a stereotypical astronaut.

 Deacis657 wrote:
I guess my biggest problem with them is they look to "cartoony". I would say make them about an inch taller and make the legs not as thick they would look much better.

Have you ever looked closely at any of the GW models? I mean seriously people... this isn't flames of war, it's warhammer 40k, space elves and space orcs ffs.....

Space Marine equivilant of Obliterators? So the models are a lot more ugly, but I bet the rules will be a lot better.

Mat

I'm thinking "conversion opportunity."

Take a saw to the torso and bring the chest plates forward. Bend the legs at the knees like it's almost in seiza. Add lots of green stuff and steel wool to make billowing smoke... as a normally-armored Marine ejects from his stricken Termitubby suit.

This would be better as a Devastator gun platform, not so much as a fast-attack suit.

 combat engineer wrote:
Space Marine equivilant of Obliterators? So the models are a lot more ugly, but I bet the rules will be a lot better.

Mat

Exalted

 aliusexalio wrote:

 Deacis657 wrote:
I guess my biggest problem with them is they look to "cartoony". I would say make them about an inch taller and make the legs not as thick they would look much better.

Have you ever looked closely at any of the GW models? I mean seriously people... this isn't flames of war, it's warhammer 40k, space elves and space orcs ffs.....

I thought warhammer 40k was non fiction and that's why it's serious business.


Guess I was wrong.

 Lotus wrote:
Anyone else thinking that the men inside these things had their arms ripped off and then their chest widedned by 2.5x to make their shoulders wide enough for these centurion suits?

Are we still not understanding that these things aren't armor but some kind of small walker? Whether they're cyborgs or curled up in the chest or what, we don't know. But it's obvious just by looking at them that they're not suits where arms and legs go.

"these are the worst models I have ever seen. No hyperbole. GW is a joke, they have no creativity. I say this as a basement dweller who knows nothing about art, yet somehow I know I have better taste than a team of professional designers. I will also comment on the paint job even though I can't even bring myself to paint my necrons/grey knights/latest power army. I haven't bought any GW models in twenty years, this just confirms I made the right decision to fund (insert any lame kickstarter here)."

Am I doing it right? I think I covered all of dakka's usual bases. I saved you all the trouble of commenting! Now all we need is a new buzzword for these models (a.l.a. dinobots/chibihawk/pumbagore etc) to repeat ad nauseum for the next few months.

I think the models are fine. not great, but not as bad as people are saying.

How about "wreck-it Marines"!

775B53 wrote:
I think the models are fine. not great, but not as bad as people are saying.

Ah, well, in that case it must just be all internet hyperbole. No chance at all that other people might just, you know, not like them...


They have potential. They definitely look better with helmets. But when looking at a new model sparks a whole slew of ideas for ways to make them look better, rather than just getting excited to build and paint them? That's a model that has missed the mark. And that's what I'm getting from these.

Check me out, I'm so non-conformist I'm going to sarcastically hate on the haters that are hating on the new models.

Parties on both sides probably need to take a break from the hyperbole and snarkiness at this point.

All we need now is for someone to claim how shameful this has all become, and the circle will be complete!

All kidding aside, I've never really been bothered by people with different opinions...

It's probably too much to hope that the Sisters of battle get these as more modestly-dressed versions of penitent engines?

Your wish is granted.
For SHAME People!!!
Cant we all just get along, well except for all those WAAC/OP Tau players.

LOL

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Lol, lexicanum strikes again!

Awesome, so it's going to be a dual loota ork/marine kit?

The ork version looks much better, like they could fill out the armour.

I'm wondering whether or not Legion of the Damned will appear in the new book. I'd love for them to become competitive in their slot.

 PaperworkNinja wrote:
It's probably too much to hope that the Sisters of battle get these as more modestly-dressed versions of penitent engines?

After I get some for my Imperial Fists, I'll model some Sisters helmets for them and give em to my Sisters too. (technically they're allies but same colors and iconography)
Wait, I thought we were supposed to get something larger than a dreadnaught as well. Where'd that go?

I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

Yes, everyone who doesn't agree with you is CLEARLY a juvenile person who couldn't ever have anything useful to say about anything. Are you for real?

The centurions look like something MegaBloks would design.


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 wyomingfox wrote:
The centurions look like something MegaBloks would design.

I think they look great, you are just some GW hater


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 wyomingfox wrote:
The centurions look like something MegaBloks would design.


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 wyomingfox wrote:
The centurions look like something MegaBloks would design.

I think they look great, you are just some GW hater

Your a GW apologist and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

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 wyomingfox wrote:
The centurions look like something MegaBloks would design.


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 wyomingfox wrote:
The centurions look like something MegaBloks would design.

I think they look great, you are just some GW hater

Your a GW apologist and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

You both make me feel ashamed to call myself human.

 Lucarikx wrote:
Don't know if these had been posted, but here is another pic of the Centurions from Imperium Dominatus:



Lucarikx

Edit: NVM, got ninja'd by more than 5 pages

Holy mother of God... I now have an excuse to play the fail trombone sound.

This is the most back and forth I have seen in a Rumors thread.

I am guessing because it's Space Marines.

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

Well I think they look cool (the devastator ones will more than likely be better (cooler)). I am 22 by the way sooooo....

The way I see it is that I am playing a game of plastic toy soldiers and tanks. I play what I think is cool in the most competitive list I can. If I don't like it then I don't play it. I am in this for my enjoyment first and foremost. Ignore me if you want, but that is just my opinion.

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

Should I give you an address to ship me $20 or would paypal work for you?

Speculation on pricing? My personal guess is $80.

I was kind of excited to see these when this post first went up, thinking some kind of bulkier (and more blocky) power armor could be cool, but the proportions on these models just looks too off, and I say that as someone that likes the Stormraven which is generally maligned for the same reason.

Emperor-Dammit, where are pics of the Tacticals/Veterans!?

 derek wrote:
I say that as someone that likes the Stormraven which is generally maligned for the same reason.

The Stormraven definitely grew on me over time but I think that's partially because I bought an extension kit, and partially because GWS then proceeded to release even worse flyers, which made it look subjectively better.

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

I like them, I'll be 40 on my birthday in October.
Do you want my Paypal address so you can pay me my $20.
I'm putting it towards a couple of Centurion kits

Anyone else seeing awesome conversion possibilities with these and other types of mecha/walker kits?

I think taking bits from this kit, and using the Dust Tactics KV-47 walkers would make for an awesome looking unit. I bet other Dust Tactics stuff, and stuff from warmachine would be pretty nice too. The possibilities are endless.

But yea, the base model looks kinda gak to me, looks very toyish.

Who's got money on the first alt-model company to make a proxy?

Puppet's War? Chapterhouse? Mantic?

We have already seen the price, I believe it was 75 for three.

The size issue has already been cover as people have established that an entire marine in power armor could fit in the torso, so sizing isnt a real problem, I would guess that they would not be wearing their power armor on the inside of the thing so even more space in the torso.

From the Ultramarines paintjob we have seen that the legs offer less static poses, we have not seen the back of the legs so no comment on the ability to move.

I am on the positive side, but there is still too much we dont know. We dont know the fluff reasons for it, we dont know the rules, we dont know the options, hell we dont even have a side or back shot.

But then again I like to have as much information as possible before making a 100% sure decision. Right now they are on the positive spectrum for me but I dont know for sure. If the rules are close to what I am hoping for then they will make it so I can run my non-mechanised marine army with some reliable mobile firepower.

My opinion on the new "super-suit": ugly. I am not impressed. The AA-Rhino on the other hand looks decent.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well I showed them to my nine year old son, who thought they where fething amazing.. his own words (yes we taught him fake swears ) and in general loved the new models.

So I guess they are hitting their core audience.

... until you realise that a box of three costs 78$

But I acknowledge, most recent releases look like they would be popular among 9 year olds

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
Who's got money on the first alt-model company to make a proxy?

Puppet's War? Chapterhouse? Mantic?

PuppetsWar already has an awesome Terminator proxy in the works. If they just expanded on that for an even bigger suit, I would be all over it. PuppetsWar should have some concepts out fairly quick. I put my money on them to be first.

I like them, in my group I'm the only one! doesn't matter, they will hate centurions even more once I start bringing them to the table. (age 32)

Well people, this is what happens when GW doesn't let Jes Goodwin design Space Marines! Spoke to him at the Enter the Citadel event a few weeks back and he said that he isn't doing Space marines any more

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

Yes, everyone who doesn't agree with you is CLEARLY a juvenile person who couldn't ever have anything useful to say about anything. Are you for real?

No, everyone who disagrees with me about THESE particular models has shown me that they CLEARLY have a completely different view of Warhammer 40k than I do.

My idea behind ignoring them would be to save me time when reading future threads.

Rather than become more and more upset with the way the culture around this game is changing.

These new marines have made it clear to me that 40k has gone from a miniatures game to silly action figure playtime.

I have just made a vow to my friends... I'm done. One box of Wraitguard and I'm done. I'll have the single army I need and will no longer be buying any more models.

Paintball shall be my new focus of free time.

I for one like the centurion models only for the assault drills though (24)

I will reserve all judgment till i see some damn rules though (also want to see those veteran and tac marine kits)

 Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

Well just peaked in on this thread, and two things come to mind.
1 Glad I play orks.
2 This is what happens, when someone drops a landraider on your head.
And who thinks GW doesn't have a sense of humour.

PS Did GW retain the trademark on terminators?. Or are these their replacement.

I like the heads. Think they could be used for normal tactical marines?

Just realised that they are even painted in the Angry Marines colours

Somebody say orks?

I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.

 dienekes96 wrote:
I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.

Exalted with WIN

Power Xtreme!

Oh wait, wrong centurions.

I suppose GW got the idea from a terminator that was skillfully covered in multiple layers of thick paint by someone in their target audience.

Those would have been cool when I was 13 and have cost me about 20 bucks...

Except I'm almost triple that, and lord knows what the final price will be.

Unfortunately I've always been a fan of bulky figures for the sake of having big bulky figures that dwarf my opponents' stuff, and would have loved these when I was younger.

Reminds me of all those knock-off figures that seemed to be inspired by 40k back in the 90s that I used to find at the hobby shop. Maybe it's just that paint scheme makes me think of some mid 90s 40k inspired by figures.

Still waiting on the shooty ones to leak, which I think will be better received.

So, we get super-expensive and not particularly well-designed Centurions, which NO ONE was asking for. (this is par for the course). Is there anything that people WERE asking for, that has been bizarrely overlooked? (also par for the course)

 spaceelf wrote:
Power Xtreme!

Oh wait, wrong centurions.

I suppose GW got the idea from a terminator that was skillfully covered in multiple layers of thick paint by someone in their target audience.

It's Veteran trooper Smik.



Now to paint one in Emperor's Pointy Sticks colours...

Interesting that they are Assault, i guess that implies they have some sort of move more than 6". Maybe they burrow through the ground with those grinder fists and pop up like dwarf miners. Ambushers, etc. That would be a hoot.