dienekes96 wrote: I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.
Are you ready for allies Brother?
The tank at least looks interesting and has some decent sounding rules. I could see the 3rd party market doing a much better job at the Centurion chassis compared to this.
Needs more Centurion
While that is a valiant attempt, marines of the 666th founding Chapters like the Emperor's Nesting Dolls need more. Dreadknight plus centurion plus tactical seems about right. Venerable versions strap on terminator armor and scout armor as well just in case.
dienekes96 wrote: I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.
Are you ready for allies Brother?
The tank at least looks interesting and has some decent sounding rules. I could see the 3rd party market doing a much better job at the Centurion chassis compared to this.
Needs more Centurion
While that is a valiant attempt, marines of the 666th founding Chapters like the Emperor's Nesting Dolls need more. Dreadknight plus centurion plus tactical seems about right. Venerable versions strap on terminator armor and scout armor as well just in case.
Then to a Knight, then a Warhound Titan, and so on.....
Power Armour-sized Storm Shields and Thunder Hammers in plastics would make converting a Marshal much easier - which is obviously compensated by the fact that we don't know anything about the rules yet.
See some great helmets (beakie with a targeter...been waiting forever for that) and weapons in that kit. As much as I don't like the Centurions...that is equivalent t how much I like the Vanguard Vets.
Now to see the Stern, Tacs, and plastic HQ kits. Dare to dream.
You know, if the rest of this release is on par with these, this might not be a bad release after all. Hell, no one is pointing a gun at your head forcing you to buy the centellytubbies- wait, forget I just said that, don't want to give GW any ideas...
Frankie Joe wrote: Hey, vanguards! A store near me accidentally put this box out for sale a month early, and they are glorious models. The box comes with four pairs of fancy-looking chainswords and bolt pistols along with all the hammers and claws and such, so it also functions as a better looking assault squad box. Slightly more expensive, granted, but I feel like it's definitely worth it.
First post by a new user is a leak photo no one else has seen? Perhaps GW does follow the forum chatter after all and are doing a bit of PR damage control.
I already assembled them, so I can't really provide you with proper pictures of the sprues, but I can show you my assembled marines along with what's left of them, if that's of anybody's interest..
I promise that the lightning claw dudester looks cooler when looked at from above.
The sprue pics are sort of crap, but whachugonndo.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Makes me happy as previous rumors said the Sternguard were the best of the two kits. And I like this VanVet kit. Quite a bit.
I promise that the lightning claw dudester looks cooler when looked at from above.
Looks like he should have some sort of special "flying headbutt" rule. Anyway, I like the posing of these, and the level of extra detail is just right.
Also, liking the bionic beaky head and the sabre-style power sword.
I don't suppose your LGS accidentally put any Sternguard out as well...?
While they look nice, a bit miffed at the lack of bits, especially at that price...
I'll agree, they hit the mark with the amount of detail on these, enough to signify their veneration while still leaving space for freehand/modeling on details.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Surprisingly few spare parts on those sprues, really.
My first thought too, sigh.
Still like the kit though.
Remember its for vanilla marines, so you really can't expect it to be like the DC/SW boxes and come with a ton of extra bits for your other stuff. And you're still getting 4 each of PASS and TH...
Frankie Joe wrote: The kit only comes with five sets of arms, with all the weapons only being attached to a hand. Not counting the lightning claws, of course.
If nothing else, I am happy that they figured out the whole "swap at the hands" bit instead of making me cut of the handles of weapons and then try to glue them on the fists.
Frankie Joe - you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Multiple combined frag/krak grenade bits!, 3 sets of power armoured lightning claws... the only downside to this kit i can see is chainswords with scrollwork on them. Don't like the BA ones featuring that as it just seems silly and a touch annoying to see that continue here. Other than that this makes me very happy indeed.
Those Vanguards look amazing - makes me glad I didn't get the Finecast ones. Can't wait for the Sternguards, the Chaplain and the Librarian. Was t there a new tac squad rumored?
Only thing is, GW is pretty strict with their marketing. Find it hard to believe that they'd send the new models out so soon AND the guys in the store were actually that stupid to put it on the shelf?!?
I'm good with all the models so far. I even like the Centurions, but perhaps I think of possibilities and not just a slightly warped, 2-dimensional picture. They look bulky, sturdy, slightly slow, but they remind me of that heavier suit in Iron Man 3 that held up a collapsing super-structure. It would have looked REALLY dumb to have them in a super dynamic pose with armor that bulky. Every idea people pitched based on the initial rumors were really no different than how these look.
Frankie Joe wrote: Hey, vanguards! A store near me accidentally put this box out for sale a month early, and they are glorious models. The box comes with four pairs of fancy-looking chainswords and bolt pistols along with all the hammers and claws and such, so it also functions as a better looking assault squad box. Slightly more expensive, granted, but I feel like it's definitely worth it.
That's an awesome set. Love the Axe, Sabre-ish sword, the relic blade, and the 3 TH/SS and 4 LC's. Looks awesome. The bits will be great for my counts-as force.
I think I just had an orgasm looking at the vanguard. I thought it was impossible to love models like a human but i was wrong, me wants now!
Seriously though, just wow, and i know some people who will be sad that BT are going to be part of SM, but they will be prob be first supplement though.
One last thing, next month I am going to be sooooooooooooooooooo poor with all the cool stuff to get for my Ultras.
Seriously though, just wow, and i know some people who will be sad that BT are going to be part of SM, but they will be prob be first supplement though.
It looks like rather than a supplement, they actually have their own chapter in the main book...
Interesting, veeeeery interesting. Nothing there for my Iron Hands apart from perhaps the MK VI with the targeter, but plenty of nice bitz if I ever get round to finishing my Exorcists.
Also, am I going a bit mad, or do those bolt pistols have a slimmer aspect than the ones you get with the old plastics?
mattyrm wrote: Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.
Remember kids:
It's not "legitimate criticism", it's "impotent rage".
It's not "dissatisfaction", it's "fury".
Proper combi-plasma, none of that dross from the finecast upgrade pack. Might prompt me to build a new SG squad as my old kitbashed ones can't hope to match these for awesomeness.
Grav-weapons are powerful. They roll to Wound against target's armor save. And amps are giving them re-rolls. I don't know if they have AP value, but in the report 3 Centurions are wiping out power-armored squad a turn.
That´s what plasma cannon devastators normally do so what on earth new is this ugly unit bringing to the table?
I thought that Terminators with Chainfists were there to do the "heavy armor breaching stuff".. apparently not good enough! However, if the Centurions are good, I might just convert some Termis with the drills and bits to make a "Termi Breacher Squad".
Well, those were/are the heavy armour breaching stuff. Marines pretty much already have all their role niches filled. These models fill the role of being a new model that they hope people will (want/need) to buy.
Particularly in light of everyone having plenty of terminators via AOBR/DV, and tactical marines being even more available....
Most possibly, one of the weapons is a combi-gravity gun.
If the grav-gun rules rumors are correct, they seem to be outshined by hellfire rounds.
But perhaps hellfire rounds will not be the same...
These latest pictures are definitely more like it. Although, the Vanguard box doesn't seem like quite enough to make me want to get a set, since I've already done so much with Sanguinary Guard models.
The Sternguard on the other hand. More pictures may convince me of that.
Yeah, those SG helmets look very interesting. I agree with H...Bits Valhalla may be in sight. While the Centurions were as I expected, I really like the VG kit, poses and content, and those little sneaks are pretty compelling.
insaniak wrote: Vanguard look good. Nice to see proper Mk6 feet, and Mk5 legs at last
The sergeant looks a little bored... or maybe the grav pistol just isn't very good, and he's cranky at being sent into battle with it.
The character shots looks cool. The head on the Librarian is fantastic.
"Dem new fangled ray guns don't pack the same punch as a bolt pistol, sonny"
I have no idea why a space marine would sound like an old cowboy, but that's what I'm going with..
'Quit yer whinin' boy, in my day xenos were twice as hard to kill and more often than not you had to punch them to death because your weapon jammed and you'd had to walk accross half the planet because the damned Thunderhawk pilots could never get the drop zone right'.
Except it would be more like:
'Ah, in the old days we just had to click our fingers and our enemies died in droves. On the odd occasion they didn't you'd fire a rad missile or conversion beamer at them without the armoury pitching a fit about "wasting chapter relics". I miss those times.'
Deacis657 wrote: I guess my biggest problem with them is they look to "cartoony". I would say make them about an inch taller and make the legs not as thick they would look much better.
Have you ever looked closely at any of the GW models? I mean seriously people... this isn't flames of war, it's warhammer 40k, space elves and space orcs ffs.....
This is not a valid argument, and that is not how suspension of disbelief works. Space elves and space orcs are perfectly reasonable for the setting because they follow the established rules for the setting. This armor does not. It doesn't seem anything like what a Space Marine would use, doesn't seem to fit a role they don't already have filled, and doesn't really look capable of motion. It breaks established aesthetics and ideas about what the faction is, and yes, it does look really silly. You're essentially saying, just because this is sci-fi (well, sci-fantasy really) means anything goes in terms of silliness! Any fictional setting has to follow its own rules. Jedi can't suddenly gain the ability to shapeshift and say "it's part of the Force!" because that breaks the rules Star Wars has established. Space Marines don't surf on Land Raiders wielding multilasesers cause that's fething stupid. Breaking your own established rules with no explanation is what makes bad fiction. The rule here being that the general laws of physics and motion are at least acknowledged in the 40k universe, if not strictly adhered to.
775B53 wrote: "these are the worst models I have ever seen. No hyperbole. GW is a joke, they have no creativity. I say this as a basement dweller who knows nothing about art, yet somehow I know I have better taste than a team of professional designers. I will also comment on the paint job even though I can't even bring myself to paint my necrons/grey knights/latest power army. I haven't bought any GW models in twenty years, this just confirms I made the right decision to fund (insert any lame kickstarter here)."
Am I doing it right? I think I covered all of dakka's usual bases. I saved you all the trouble of commenting! Now all we need is a new buzzword for these models (a.l.a. dinobots/chibihawk/pumbagore etc) to repeat ad nauseum for the next few months.
I think the models are fine. not great, but not as bad as people are saying.
This argument also really confuses me. What you're essentially saying is that if you can't produce something, you have no right to an opinion on it, or you should always think it's good. I'm not a musician, I have no musical talent, but does that mean I can't think Linkin Park is a gakky band? I can't do what they're doing, but that doesn't make what they're doing good. Same goes for models. Just because someone can do something you can't doesn't mean they're doing it well.
Ranting over, sorry but I really had to get that out of my system. On topic, those vets look awesome! Stuff like that kind of makes me want to start a Marine army, but I do not have the time or money for that.
Frankie Joe wrote: I already assembled them, so I can't really provide you with proper pictures of the sprues, but I can show you my assembled marines along with what's left of them, if that's of anybody's interest..
I promise that the lightning claw dudester looks cooler when looked at from above.
The sprue pics are sort of crap, but whachugonndo.
After seeing these, I think I prefer the parts available from existing kits. They're not pants, but just nothing extra special (although it seems like a bunch of options available in a single kit, which is good).
If I return to Loyalists, I'll probably just cherry pick these kind of things from other kits (Blood Angels have especially good weapons, IMO).
-6 pts for vangaurd sounds a bit low, that puts them below current tactical prices. Unless it is -6 points for vanguard with jumppacks.
Also there is no problem with not liking something, however many people are phrasing it as an insult towards the people who DO like it. They are not insulting the mini, but the people who like the mini. Then are getting upset after insulting someone when someone gets defensive. Now am I saying all of the people are doing it? Nope, but enough are that I find I have to not post a response because it is not going to do anything and it will just bother me.
Leth wrote: -6 pts for vangaurd sounds a bit low, that puts them below current tactical prices. Unless it is -6 points for vanguard with jumppacks.
Also there is no problem with not liking something, however many people are phrasing it as an insult towards the people who DO like it. They are not insulting the mini, but the people who like the mini. Then are getting upset after insulting someone when someone gets defensive. Now am I saying all of the people are doing it? Nope, but enough are that I find I have to not post a response because it is not going to do anything and it will just bother me.
Are there any units in the book with no models that might end up in a second wave release? 'Cos that would be sweet. I mean, what are we actually getting here? Just having 4 new units, split into two categories that are basically the same model only slightly different is a bit naff, especially when you consider the Centurions are butt ugly and the Hunter will inevitably look crappy rules wise alongside the Stalker.
Mr.Omega wrote: Are there any units in the book with no models that might end up in a second wave release? 'Cos that would be sweet. I mean, what are we actually getting here? Just having 4 new units, split into two categories that are basically the same model only slightly different is a bit naff, especially when you consider the Centurions are butt ugly and the Hunter will inevitably look crappy rules wise alongside the Stalker.
GW doesn't do that anymore. The plan right now is to release all the new models at once with the codex, since 3rd party companies were both eating away at their sales and also potentially causing some legal weirdness. There was a HUGE discussion about this stuff with the Chapterhouse lawsuit thread, which was again, massive.
Frankie Joe wrote: Hey, vanguards! A store near me accidentally put this box out for sale a month early, and they are glorious models. The box comes with four pairs of fancy-looking chainswords and bolt pistols along with all the hammers and claws and such, so it also functions as a better looking assault squad box. Slightly more expensive, granted, but I feel like it's definitely worth it.
First post by a new user is a leak photo no one else has seen? Perhaps GW does follow the forum chatter after all and are doing a bit of PR damage control.
Valhallan42nd wrote: Who's got money on the first alt-model company to make a proxy?
Puppet's War? Chapterhouse? Mantic?
Ban Dai wins by several decades. Go Bots. Big limbs, small heads, stiff poses, bright colors. The small ones are actually about the right size. They have some plastic bits for all the plastic people out there, and some metal bits to make the vets happy
Although the models remind me of Snailiens.
In all seriousness, I would figure that Puppet's war would have the stuff first. Mantic is slow to release stuff, and Chapterhouse has been busy with the case.
Mr Farson wrote: Mhmm I'm not sure what's been posted rules wise
Vanguard down 6 points
3pts for jump packs
Shifted to elites
I so hope that is true! It gives me real hope for my Death Company <3
They are 20 points now.
So you probably mean the sgt is down 2 points and normal vets are down 1 point?
And are jump packs 3 point each or DOWN 3 point each?
That would make an equally geared squad 31 points cheaper than DC.
But you lose 1WS and 1A in exchange for Heroic Intervention.
You'd also lose Fearless and FNP, but you won't need those since you're in assault the turn they deep strike.
Mr Farson wrote: Mhmm I'm not sure what's been posted rules wise
Vanguard down 6 points
3pts for jump packs
Shifted to elites
I so hope that is true! It gives me real hope for my Death Company <3
They are 20 points now.
So you probably mean the sgt is down 2 points and normal vets are down 1 point?
And are jump packs 3 point each or DOWN 3 point each?
That would make an equally geared squad 31 points cheaper than DC.
But you lose 1WS and 1A in exchange for Heroic Intervention.
You'd also lose Fearless and FNP, but you won't need those since you're in assault the turn they deep strike.
Normal vets are 19pts, jump packs ARE 3 points each
I already have 15 sternguard, so i might pick up a box to make it an even 20. But i dont need more vanguard.
The centaurians and the new tank are the first on my list(After the codex ofcourse)
Mr Farson wrote: Mhmm I'm not sure what's been posted rules wise
Vanguard down 6 points
3pts for jump packs
Shifted to elites
I so hope that is true! It gives me real hope for my Death Company <3
They are 20 points now.
So you probably mean the sgt is down 2 points and normal vets are down 1 point?
And are jump packs 3 point each or DOWN 3 point each?
That would make an equally geared squad 31 points cheaper than DC.
But you lose 1WS and 1A in exchange for Heroic Intervention.
You'd also lose Fearless and FNP, but you won't need those since you're in assault the turn they deep strike.
Normal vets are 19pts, jump packs ARE 3 points each
So Sternguard and Vanguard (with Jump Packs) cost the same now? Are they like DA where you have to upgrade the sarge to be a Vet Sarge?
I also wonder if the new plastic captain is meant to be an update of this guy:
Yeah, I found the 4chan-thread.
Three points per jump-pack is great! That makes my calculation incorrect and means they are even more cheaper :(
I hate it when Space Marine armies are actually better at making a JP-list than my BA's.
Too bad they aren't providing more information, because there is only one thing I want to know; whether there is a rule that allows these to replace the vets from other armies like the Blood Angels.
Mr Farson wrote: I know I will finally build the ultramarines army that I've been putting off for years with helmet crests and leather tabards everywhere.
Do you have any info on sternguard combi weapon prices? (I know they are 3 points lower stock)
It seems that both basic vet sets cost the same/similar with each unit having their own purchasable weapon options. However from the points cost for the basic 5 man unit it appears that vet sarge is included in the basic unit cost.
tuiman wrote: Finally I can put my 3 dreadknights on the table, knowing that they are no longer the silliest looking models ever made, but now come second to the centurions.
I know there will be people that love them, and thats fine be me. But imho, they look pretty bad. My least favourite part is the feet look so goofy, like dreadnought legs, with a termie body, with a mraine inside?
Well, a dreadnought has a marine inside too, in a fetal position. How's he supposed to be controlling the dreadnought, hmm? Doesn't it make more sense if the marine is "sitting up" and perhaps physically manipulating the controls?
Kangodo wrote: Yeah, I found the 4chan-thread.
Three points per jump-pack is great! That makes my calculation incorrect and means they are even more cheaper :(
I hate it when Space Marine armies are actually better at making a JP-list than my BA's.
BA still get scoring Assault marines and melta guns in their AM squads.
Dear Emperor, please let this be a warp-filled dream. Let me wake to your light and know the centurions that fight in your name look like this instead.
Mr Farson wrote: Mhmm I'm not sure what's been posted rules wise
Vanguard down 6 points
3pts for jump packs
Shifted to elites
I so hope that is true! It gives me real hope for my Death Company <3
They are 20 points now.
So you probably mean the sgt is down 2 points and normal vets are down 1 point?
And are jump packs 3 point each or DOWN 3 point each?
That would make an equally geared squad 31 points cheaper than DC.
But you lose 1WS and 1A in exchange for Heroic Intervention.
You'd also lose Fearless and FNP, but you won't need those since you're in assault the turn they deep strike.
Normal vets are 19pts, jump packs ARE 3 points each
Wait how are vanguard down 6 points with 3 points for jump packs leaving them to 19 points? Currently Vanguard vets are 20 points so down 6 is 14 point marines, 3 points for jump packs would make them 17 each.
Or is it that you mean that WITH a jump pack (costing 3) a vanguard marine (30 points with packs now) is now down 6 points (24 total). Or again are veterans 19 points stock with 3 point jump packs making them 22 points (8 points down).
Sorry usually I'm decent with math but this is a confusing setup.
Mr Farson wrote: Mhmm I'm not sure what's been posted rules wise
Vanguard down 6 points
3pts for jump packs
Shifted to elites
I so hope that is true! It gives me real hope for my Death Company <3
They are 20 points now.
So you probably mean the sgt is down 2 points and normal vets are down 1 point?
And are jump packs 3 point each or DOWN 3 point each?
That would make an equally geared squad 31 points cheaper than DC.
But you lose 1WS and 1A in exchange for Heroic Intervention.
You'd also lose Fearless and FNP, but you won't need those since you're in assault the turn they deep strike.
Normal vets are 19pts, jump packs ARE 3 points each
Wait how are vanguard down 6 points with 3 points for jump packs leaving them to 19 points? Currently Vanguard vets are 20 points so down 6 is 14 point marines, 3 points for jump packs would make them 17 each.
Or is it that you mean that WITH a jump pack (costing 3) a vanguard marine (30 points with packs now) is now down 6 points (24 total). Or again are veterans 19 points stock with 3 point jump packs making them 22 points (8 points down).
Sorry usually I'm decent with math but this is a confusing setup.
I apologize
5 man squad with vet sgt is 125 iirc bog standard vanguard is 19pts
jumppack is 3pts
ah yeah they may be down 8 points for a vet with a jumpack
Mr Farson wrote: I apologize
5 man squad with vet sgt is 125 iirc bog standard vanguard is 19pts
jumppack is 3pts
ah yeah they may be down 8 points for a vet with a jumpack
Ah I see now, when you said 6 points you meant off the original 125, so that would be 119 for the base squad, even if it's still 125 with 19 points for each subsequent one, and 3 points jump packs the vanguard squads will be much more functional.
Something like between 244-250 for a full squad of 10 with jump packs. Still 60 points over a standard assault squad but very very potent threat.
Mr Farson wrote: I apologize
5 man squad with vet sgt is 125 iirc bog standard vanguard is 19pts
jumppack is 3pts
ah yeah they may be down 8 points for a vet with a jumpack
Ah I see now, when you said 6 points you meant off the original 125, so that would be 119 for the base squad, even if it's still 125 with 19 points for each subsequent one, and 3 points jump packs the vanguard squads will be much more functional.
Something like between 244-250 for a full squad of 10 with jump packs. Still 60 points over a standard assault squad but very very potent threat.
0.o Yeah lets go with that math, its too late/early for me to double check it
Mr Farson wrote: I apologize
5 man squad with vet sgt is 125 iirc bog standard vanguard is 19pts
jumppack is 3pts
ah yeah they may be down 8 points for a vet with a jumpack
Ah I see now, when you said 6 points you meant off the original 125, so that would be 119 for the base squad, even if it's still 125 with 19 points for each subsequent one, and 3 points jump packs the vanguard squads will be much more functional.
Something like between 244-250 for a full squad of 10 with jump packs. Still 60 points over a standard assault squad but very very potent threat.
So 6 points per model over a normal assault squad in exchange for +1A, +1 Ld, and access to power weapons of all sorts. Any numbers on what the weapon options will be? I looked for the 4chan thread but could not find it.
Mr Farson wrote: I apologize
5 man squad with vet sgt is 125 iirc bog standard vanguard is 19pts
jumppack is 3pts
ah yeah they may be down 8 points for a vet with a jumpack
Ah I see now, when you said 6 points you meant off the original 125, so that would be 119 for the base squad, even if it's still 125 with 19 points for each subsequent one, and 3 points jump packs the vanguard squads will be much more functional.
Something like between 244-250 for a full squad of 10 with jump packs. Still 60 points over a standard assault squad but very very potent threat.
So 6 points per model over a normal assault squad in exchange for +1A, +1 Ld, and access to power weapons of all sorts. Any numbers on what the weapon options will be? I looked for the 4chan thread but could not find it.
Points cost for weapons was not divulged except for
Shield 10pts
meltabombs 5pts
Those vanguards are lovely, though I still have a special place in my heart for the old ones. Not special enough to buy them - metal - but sort of special, anyway.
Im just looking forward to updated rules all in one book without toting the old codice and updates... Oh I know the updates will be coming soon after the release.
How about the rules for the flyers, I recently found out they reprinted Death from the Sky, does anyone know if they will include those rules for Space Marine flyers in the codex?
Kelly502 wrote: How about the rules for the flyers, I recently found out they reprinted Death from the Sky, does anyone know if they will include those rules for Space Marine flyers in the codex?
I have a feeling that they are the same as DftS, why change again it if they already were updated for 6th edition?
rothrich wrote: Is no one excited about new tactical marines? Even if you have a bunch don't you want a box or two for grav guns and new legs and torsos?
I might be if GW had decided to preview them. Their current veil of secrecy makes it awfully hard to get excited about upcoming releases.
Kelly502 wrote: How about the rules for the flyers, I recently found out they reprinted Death from the Sky, does anyone know if they will include those rules for Space Marine flyers in the codex?
I have a feeling that they are the same as DftS, why change again it if they already were updated for 6th edition?
I wasn't thinking they would change them, perhaps just include them, I know for a while the rules for flyers were not available.
Kelly502 wrote: How about the rules for the flyers, I recently found out they reprinted Death from the Sky, does anyone know if they will include those rules for Space Marine flyers in the codex?
I have a feeling that they are the same as DftS, why change again it if they already were updated for 6th edition?
I wasn't thinking they would change them, perhaps just include them, I know for a while the rules for flyers were not available.
ITs obvious they would have to include them in the dex. Not eeryone can get a DftS now, so for availability, they need to put them in the codex.
I am very happy about the supposed changes to Vanguards, might use my Assault marines as them for a few games.
I honestly don't care so much about the look of the Centurions.
Some people think they look good, some think they look bad.
All I see is conversion potential
Same deal with the Heldrake I find. While some people do not mind it so much, other's detest it strongly, and some go one step further and use their dislike of the model to come out with some truly unique and personalised conversions.
Kelly502 wrote: How about the rules for the flyers, I recently found out they reprinted Death from the Sky, does anyone know if they will include those rules for Space Marine flyers in the codex?
I have a feeling that they are the same as DftS, why change again it if they already were updated for 6th edition?
I wasn't thinking they would change them, perhaps just include them, I know for a while the rules for flyers were not available.
ITs obvious they would have to include them in the dex. Not eeryone can get a DftS now, so for availability, they need to put them in the codex.
I am very happy about the supposed changes to Vanguards, might use my Assault marines as them for a few games.
I just ordered the DFTS incase... I agree though they will have to include the flyers in the SM Codex. I need the rules now for two builds I am trying to complete.
Any idea when the pre-order will come available for Codex SM?
Centurions are a godsend for the Angry Marine player who needs more Powerfeet. That is to say- ALL Angry Marine players. I really hope the feet, or at least the legs are a separate bit.
Gitzbitah wrote: Centurions are a godsend for the Angry Marine player who needs more Powerfeet. That is to say- ALL Angry Marine players. I really hope the feet, or at least the legs are a separate bit.
775B53 wrote: "these are the worst models I have ever seen. No hyperbole. GW is a joke, they have no creativity. I say this as a basement dweller who knows nothing about art, yet somehow I know I have better taste than a team of professional designers. I will also comment on the paint job even though I can't even bring myself to paint my necrons/grey knights/latest power army. I haven't bought any GW models in twenty years, this just confirms I made the right decision to fund (insert any lame kickstarter here)."
I am a professional graphic designer and art instructor. I have a degree in Visual Communication and a minor in Art History and I don't live in a basement. Winterdyne also commented on how bad they look and he's one of the people who I consider as the greatest miniature painters I'm aware of. And we both think it's bad.
But hey, I'm not director or TV producer or scriptwriter. Does that mean I can't criticize Honey Booboo for being a bad show? Does that mean I can't criticize Twilight because I don't write novels? Does that mean only those who make footwear can say things like "crocs are really ugly"? That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard: you can only criticize something if you have expertise on it.
I don't have to be a chef to know when a dish tastes bad.
I am glad the Vanguard Vets are getting some love. I just hope the rules are better; early signs say yes. They are my favorite of the 2 vet squads too. Heroic Intervention just sounds cool.
I won't repeat the comments above, but holy jesus why?
Lets hope they look better in person
However, really happy about the Vanguard and Sternguard, I'll be picking up a few of those for use with my Crimson Fists, but will be using the bits on Forgeworld Mk IV's
Now let's have Shrike make them troops so I can field 6 squads of those bad boys.
Seriously, Vanguard Vets have one of the coolest concepts and rule sets, but they were so expensive they were basically useless. Now they should be reasonable enough to use consistently.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I really do wish GW would give us a plastic Captain/Libby in Termie armor like CSM. The finecast ones are starting to show their age.
I originally read that as Chappy/Libby.
I nearly screamed Heresy before I read that. No man may gak talk the termi chappie and live.
Blood Angel 17 wrote: Is that a new flyer on the right hand side of the picture of the heroes?
It's Stormtalon, Storm Raven, Stormtalon in the background. It's a bit fuzzy, but it's definately a flying potato/goldfish/brick.
It will be interesting to see some sprues on the dakka ones, also some rules. Are they twinlinked or multishot, things of that nature. Still I am happy with how they look. If they have missile launchers in the chest then it will really help with my anti tank needs. That, combined with the sternguard points drop and less of a need for combi weapons will help round out my army more.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I really do wish GW would give us a plastic Captain/Libby in Termie armor like CSM. The finecast ones are starting to show their age.
The Captain I'll give you, but the Librarian and Chaplain in Terminator armor are some of GW's best models-- I wouldn't change a thing!
Leth wrote: It will be interesting to see some sprues on the dakka ones, also some rules. Are they twinlinked or multishot, things of that nature. Still I am happy with how they look. If they have missile launchers in the chest then it will really help with my anti tank needs. That, combined with the sternguard points drop and less of a need for combi weapons will help round out my army more.
I'm hopping to the emprah that the ML is in fact a TML/CML.
I'm expecting the Grav Cannons/Lascannons/etc to be Twin Linked, but who knows! We could get the Contemptor Mortis treatment on those guns.
Then again, we'd need another piece of Wargear to just let us shoot all the weapons at the same time. O.o
I echo the sentiments above that the DakkaTurions look 1000x better than the assault ones, and ya, it's the drills not the paint job.
Everything about this release screams Roman Legions except the beards. Romans didn't have beards they viewed them as a sign of cowardice. Oh well GW can't do everything right... I for one love the Roman Legion aesthetic, sets it far apart from the Wolves, Monks, and Vampires IMO.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I really do wish GW would give us a plastic Captain/Libby in Termie armor like CSM. The finecast ones are starting to show their age.
The Captain I'll give you, but the Librarian and Chaplain in Terminator armor are some of GW's best models-- I wouldn't change a thing!
Except to have them back in metal instead of that drek Finecast.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I really do wish GW would give us a plastic Captain/Libby in Termie armor like CSM. The finecast ones are starting to show their age.
I originally read that as Chappy/Libby.
I nearly screamed Heresy before I read that. No man may gak talk the termi chappie and live.
Oh no, Chappy Termie is awesome, just like the Commander Dante model, its ageless...
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I really do wish GW would give us a plastic Captain/Libby in Termie armor like CSM. The finecast ones are starting to show their age.
The Captain I'll give you, but the Librarian and Chaplain in Terminator armor are some of GW's best models-- I wouldn't change a thing!
The main problem with that Terminator Captain is he is too small!! He's got Abaddon syndrome....
I have noticed that some of the new releases (apoc marine commanders) and now the HQ captain/commander here look like old models just built up with excessive bits.
I still like the new plastic HQs, new tank looks needlessly built up with armor. The centurions well we will see when the kit comes out what the conversion possibilities are. Basically its a super soldier, in power armor, then he puts on terminator armor, then squeezes into iron clad dreadnought pants, say hello to the Astartes TURDUCKEN.
775B53 wrote: "these are the worst models I have ever seen. No hyperbole. GW is a joke, they have no creativity. I say this as a basement dweller who knows nothing about art, yet somehow I know I have better taste than a team of professional designers. I will also comment on the paint job even though I can't even bring myself to paint my necrons/grey knights/latest power army. I haven't bought any GW models in twenty years, this just confirms I made the right decision to fund (insert any lame kickstarter here)."
Don't make me beat you to death with my painting contest awards. You're really pushing it with this tiresome argument.
I'd like to see more of that chaplain - it strikes me as being a great model, maybe. I already own a jump chaplain and a terminator chaplain and used neither almost ever, but I guess I'm just a sucker for them and maybe will have to add a third.
The captain and librarian are kinda eh. Nothing wrong with them, just not really blowing my skirt up. I think the cherub on the librarian is kind of a dealkiller for me.
The ranged Centurions look merely bad here, instead laughably awful.
Ok so the devastator centurions look much better, hoping they have decent rules to go with and I might be sold. Loving the libby and chaplin, but agree the captain looks like AOBR with a head swap, not really that great tbh.
I sure hope that new Centurion armour is a hoax... it looks absolutely ridiculous.
It resembles too much of a walking Land Raider... and we've already seen a flying one (as a few bloggers are already fearing the worst).
I hope they'll still give us the reason to take the Venerable Dreadnought... and Whirlwind, for the Emperor's sake!
Tigramans wrote: I hope they'll still give us the reason to take the Venerable Dreadnought... and Whirlwind, for the Emperor's sake!
Not a chance. When was the last time you saw a Leman Russ Executioner? A Sentinel? How about some Ogryns? No, every modern codex has unplayable units that nobody in their right mind would take.
OverwatchCNC wrote: Romans didn't have beards they viewed them as a sign of cowardice.
This is incorrect. Beards were a sign of an unclean/lazy/poor person. Had nothing to do with bravery or cowardice.
It did. It arguably however had more to do with being NOT Greek than cowardice, laziness, unclean, or poor. It wasn't until Hadrian that beards became acceptable in Roman culture and that was during a time of intense Greek Cultural mimicry in Rome and also because Hadrian was trying to disguise his scars.
Anyways... Someone talked about the newer Captains and ICs looking like re-sculpts which I am fine with. I just wish they would redo the old Terminator Captain, I still love the Terminator Chaplain.
schadenfreude wrote: I like the new centurian models because they have a lot of potential. Paint them black and white, replace the head with a 3rd party stargate looking bird head and then you have the galaxy's most heavily armed penguins waddling across the battlefield to purge the heritics and xenos.
Thanks! Now I have an Exuse to buy the Puppet Wars Hawk Heads, Thanks that image will never leave my head.
You're welcome. Don't forget to greenstuff a monocle onto the heads while you are at it.
OverwatchCNC wrote: Romans didn't have beards they viewed them as a sign of cowardice.
This is incorrect. Beards were a sign of an unclean/lazy/poor person. Had nothing to do with bravery or cowardice.
It did. It arguably however had more to do with being NOT Greek than cowardice, laziness, unclean, or poor. It wasn't until Hadrian that beards became acceptable in Roman culture and that was during a time of intense Greek Cultural mimicry in Rome and also because Hadrian was trying to disguise his scars.
OverwatchCNC wrote: Romans didn't have beards they viewed them as a sign of cowardice.
This is incorrect. Beards were a sign of an unclean/lazy/poor person. Had nothing to do with bravery or cowardice.
It did. It arguably however had more to do with being NOT Greek than cowardice, laziness, unclean, or poor. It wasn't until Hadrian that beards became acceptable in Roman culture and that was during a time of intense Greek Cultural mimicry in Rome and also because Hadrian was trying to disguise his scars.
Tigramans wrote: I hope they'll still give us the reason to take the Venerable Dreadnought... and Whirlwind, for the Emperor's sake!
Not a chance. When was the last time you saw a Leman Russ Executioner? A Sentinel? How about some Ogryns? No, every modern codex has unplayable units that nobody in their right mind would take.
Yesterday, and my Executioner Gloriously Vaporized Typhus and some plague marines.
But I digress.
I do think that GW doesn't care about making dreadnoughts better this edition. GW is a model company first and foremost, and dreadnoughts have long since paid for themselves. They'll likely get a token point drop, Venerables might get something a touch better, but I don't expect it.
Truth be told, however, unlike the Tau and Eldar releases, we've got zero rules rumours yes. For all I know Dreadnoughts could be AV 17, WS 26, St D.
Just wait, that'll appear on Nafka within 6 hours.
I rather like the jacks on the Rhino-chassis tank thingie is (those'd look really good on a Whirlwind), but other than that I once again have to thank GW...
They've succeeded, for yet another release, to not put out anything that makes me feel the need to open my wallet. The Centurions are basically laughable. As someone else noted, they're not even worthy of getting worked up over. The new HQ models really don't tempt me in the least and while the Vanguard/Sternguard don't look too bad, they're not "gooder" enough to make me feel the need to add to what I already have.
Heck. at this point, I doubt I'm even in for the Codex... So, once again GW, my wallet thanks you (as does Wyrd, Privateer Press, DreamForge, and -probably- Mantic since I will be buying stuff from them in the near-term)!
If you want my money, you really need to step up your game. The competition is getting stronger and you guys are getting more expensive, and (lets be honest) your track record of producing lust-inspiring models is slipping rather badly.
I wonder if the Cherub-thing on the Librarian is a sign of the return of familiars from the old Codex? +1I and an extra attack? (And, I imagine, rerolling failed casts)
I liked the assault centurions, the devastator ones are brilliant and probabily the only thing I buy from this becides the codex.
I hate the cherubs, I think they are disgusting to be honest but thats just me, I may buy the libby but that will be cut off.
On the shaving thing, not sure on the sexual reason but it was to stop beard grabbing in combat. The modern day reason is to ensure a good seal on your respirator.
Shooty Centurions look a bit better, but the arms seem still oversized. They'd look much better if you could just lose the fists and attach guns straight to the arms, but I'm afraid they have fists in their equipment so they gotta stay for WYSIWYG.
Characters look pretty amazing, I love the gritty bearded look.
Characters - I like, though the captain looks too sneakily like the AoBR captain for them to slap what's going to be a £12 price tag on it.
Plastic Veterans - Yes. Thank you. More kits for the mass kitbashing. I may just have to lust after the Vanguard Vets for even more Lightning claw and power weapon choices for my Chosen.
Rhino variant - I like.
Centurions - Ugh, no. Please. Why do we need 'good' Obliterators? Chaos does not equal Imperial with Spikes. Stop trying to make Imperial Chaos sans Spikes.
I will say though, it's kind of funny that GW is having more leaks than the Welsh Titanic.
A ship with leaks, leeks and leeks with leaks leaking leeks.
Yeah, the Dev Centurions work better for me, maybe it's the angle of the figures or that the heavy weapons are less cluttering than the drills. I bet I'll like them once I see them in person. I'm starting to see a bit of the Iron Man Hulk-buster in them. I'm almost willing to bet they are on 50mm bases.
The Hunter is nice, it's definately an upgrade from the Epic one aesthetically. I'm certainly in for one of each of this kit!
Pre-release conversion Please disregard my previous comment on the centurions not bothering me.
But seriously those underarm cannons were bugging me something fierce and the crotch plate just looked clunky and awkward.
Please disregard my previous comment on the centurions not bothering me.
But seriously those underarm cannons were bugging me something fierce and the crotch plate just looked clunky and awkward.
That tank looks quite awesome. The ranged centurions still look completely awful to me. Mind you, not worse than the assault centurions, but still garbage level.
I'd give the tanks a 4/5 or more pending more angles
Characters are a pretty "whatever" 3.5/5
Ranged centurions a 1/5
Assault centurions -1/5 "Worst Models of the 2010s"
Xendarc wrote: Pre-release conversion Please disregard my previous comment on the centurions not bothering me.
But seriously those underarm cannons were bugging me something fierce and the crotch plate just looked clunky and awkward.
GJ. Now, just remove the inner toes and the belt (torso connects to leg plates), and move the legs and arms a bit inward and we're juuuust about there...
After 25+ pages of "Agh, the Centurions are AWFUL!" I suppose I don't need to leave another, similar comment.
Oh, wait - yes I do. Those things are the WORST 40K models I've ever seen, and I have RT models that look like they were sculpted by drunken three-fingered butchers with dirty butter knives... Wow. So bad.
Those will never grow on me. I have full company of Grey Knights - and not one standard Dreadknight. It's too awful for me to field as designed. I heavily moded my, and proxy the other two (not that I've ever fielded three).
The Stormtalon and Raven are so awful, I can't field them, either. Again, mods and proxies to make them tolerable to mine eyes... What the heck is going on with the sculptors entrusted with the Marine model line these days???
I don't think that tank builds on the existing plastic Rhino. If you look at the side of it, it doesn't have the same sloped front. This looks like a completely new plastic kit based on the older Rhino aesthetic.
OK for Sternguard, Vangard, the Librarian (loved the cherub) and the Chaplain (have none at moment so PLASTIC). The captain is cool on ultras and fists, maybe on Minotaurs, but don't fit my Marines. The AA Rhinos are awesome, unfortunately none at my place uses flyers. Finally waiting to see the new Tactical box and rumored Command Squad. I really need more legs, but if the new components are just 2 Grav weapons (one being a pistol) the veterans will already supply me.
Looking at the pics of the Centurions it looks like there may be a new Ultramarines decal set coming as well?
I don't recognise some of the Devastator decals, or the Ultra symbol with the XIII in it, although that could be because they have been customised with paint?
Ouze wrote: I don't think that tank builds on the existing plastic Rhino. If you look at the side of it, it doesn't have the same sloped front. This looks like a completely new plastic kit based on the older Rhino aesthetic.
It's a rhino with Vindicator/new elements, I'm afraid.
775B53 wrote: "these are the worst models I have ever seen. No hyperbole. GW is a joke, they have no creativity. I say this as a basement dweller who knows nothing about art, yet somehow I know I have better taste than a team of professional designers. I will also comment on the paint job even though I can't even bring myself to paint my necrons/grey knights/latest power army. I haven't bought any GW models in twenty years, this just confirms I made the right decision to fund (insert any lame kickstarter here)."
Don't make me beat you to death with my painting contest awards. You're really pushing it with this tiresome argument.
Still dispassionate I see.
On topic.
Well this release looks like it will be a good one to me, I look forward to seeing the minis in the flesh next to the price stickers so I can make my mind up fully. I already have a heap of SM boxes in the loft collecting dust this could be the motivation I need to build or sell.
I see the Centurions much like the Dreadknight, I'm not sold on the current presentation but could see myself coming up with my own interpretation with the kit.
Valhallan42nd wrote: Who's got money on the first alt-model company to make a proxy?
Puppet's War? Chapterhouse? Mantic?
PuppetsWar already has an awesome Terminator proxy in the works. If they just expanded on that for an even bigger suit, I would be all over it. PuppetsWar should have some concepts out fairly quick. I put my money on them to be first.
Their model already looks perfect. All they'd need to do would be scale up their existing CAD design.
More I stare the Centurions more my eyes bleed more convinced I become that they're on 50mm bases. The size of the details just doesn't work otherwise.
I dont mind the centurions, just big bulky marines with cataphract pads who handle the heavy heavy stuff.
The chaplain looks ok but I prefer the others, like the flowing scrolls though. The captain just looks like sicarus mixed with the AOBR captain. The librarian though is super badass but just a shame I couldnt use him.
Looking forward to seeing the sternguards.
Also looking forward to having some Templar vanguard with thunder hammers if the codex allows it.
So the new Sternguard, Vanguard and HQs look fab. Going to have to pick up a couple of sets of each, an old tactical box, a new tactical box and raid my bits boxes to kit bash another 50 vets and command squad for my 2nd company, decided that 1st company is going to be all terminators, my old 2nd company gives me a new 3rd company. Last release I made my own Sternguard and Vanguard as I didn't want to buy the metal versions as I wanted 20 of each, then rarely used either due to the points cost. Vanguard with Stormshield and Hammer being more expensive than equivalent Terminator even without the jump pack. Bit fed up that they turned out so nice as I was going to spend the money on the remaining drop pods to round out my 2nd companies transport.
I really really want to be able to take a terminator command squad complete with an apothecary in terminator armour as I've recently built one. Ideal world apothecaries would be a FOC less IC like Warlocks in the Eldar codex...
Do we have any idea on the rules for the jumbo marines yet? Trying to work out how many I need to budget for.
Infiltrating stealth suits and homing beacon + vanguard vet heroic intervention assault drop near by backed up by support commander in crisis suit joined to ranged fire support centurans with grav guns to give them monster hunter/tank hunter /ignore cover/twin link.
xttz wrote: Is that captain model a re-sculpted version of the old AOBR model?
Also for those of you complaining about the Centurions... you need to ask yourself a question before posting:
What would I think of this if I was twelve years old?
Without this perspective, I'm afraid GW doesn't care about your opinion.
I would have still hated it. 12 years old was about when I stopped reading comics due to the industry getting overrun with Rob Liefeld dreck, and these models are altogether too similar.
Those centurion things are god aweful. I just think 40k has really gone down the pan as far as designs go, I dont know maybe its just me.
And did we honestly need a new space marine troop type? They just look action figures from power rangers or something. The characters however are cool, I like the Chaplin.
So the other anti flyer tank with the 2 cannons is gonna be a standard rhino in my army and those guns and turret will be going on my land speeder vengeance, same as my whirlwind, everything must be on a speeder in my ravenwing raaaaa
.Rhinos with MOAR DAKKA, big clunkey marines with MOAR DAKKA. Are you sure this isn't Codex Orks?
Just paint them Salamanders and call it a day. But yeah, Orks used to be the platform for this kind of units - back in the day when different armies had different flavors..
sudojoe wrote: Infiltrating stealth suits and homing beacon + vanguard vet heroic intervention assault drop near by backed up by support commander in crisis suit joined to ranged fire support centurans with grav guns to give them monster hunter/tank hunter /ignore cover/twin link.
wmahahaha (rant over)
This is what 40k's hippy-dippy rules writing gives us.
I think its interesting that when everyone panned the new marine tunnel digger figures within 24 hours another picture of them with weapons was 'leaked'. I wonder how much GW are saving in advertising with pictures being 'leaked'...?
I don't really like the Centurions, but I don't dislike them either, I think they look a lot better in the helmets, but the main thing I don't understand is why they just have a normal marine helmet? Why have all the armour then just a standard power armour helmet, asking to get sniped? Unless they have some sort of energy shield which would also explain the helmet-less version. I think they would look infinitely better if they had a huge helmet to match, more in line with a terminator armour helmet, but bigger.
EDIT: Or even have a high collar ala Mk 8 power armour to protect the neck.
Very different to what i expected though, I though they were going to be more like a silverback from gears of war, so the marine just loads into the back of it, rather than what looks like a seriously complicated process to get that armour on, especially after spending a few hours getting the power armour on in the first place.
I kind of like the shooty Termietubbies - but the first thing I'm doing if I get them is replacing those god awful helmets and heads and removing that absolutely idiotic leg plate. If I was a rich man I'd proxy Contemptor Dreadnoughts as them instead, but gah.
Its no worry though, I bet all the money in the world that Centurions of both kinds will suck.
sudojoe wrote: Infiltrating stealth suits and homing beacon + vanguard vet heroic intervention assault drop near by backed up by support commander in crisis suit joined to ranged fire support centurans with grav guns to give them monster hunter/tank hunter /ignore cover/twin link.
wmahahaha (rant over)
This is what 40k's hippy-dippy rules writing gives us.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Sure we can Look at Eldar, lots of fun toys in that thing.
Wow, I was looking forward to the Centurions from the descriptions, but those models are really silly and ugly... Is Hasbro doing models for GW now? What happend with the art direction?
The double-turreted tank is silly as well, the other variant (Hunter?) is nice though. Might be interested if it actually does something other than anti-air support.
The devastator variants are somewhat better, although far from mind-blowingly good. Basically its the obliterators-mutilators situation all over again. At any rate; I don't think they've got a place in my army anyway. They might be a mix of Devs, Termies and Dreads - and possibly better than each of those - but in this case I prefer the classics, even if they're obsolete.
As it stands now I *might* get the Chaplain and Librarian, and possibly the Hunter (mainly because I like the looks of it; fliers aren't much of an issue in my regular group).
Vanguard... mmm, dunno; they are okay, but the older ones - while pricey - look more dynamic IMO. I still have some footslogging 'CC veterans' I built years ago anyway. As for Sternguard: I just started building a squad from FW retro armour and will probably go to bits traders if there's anything in the new set that I can use to decorate them a little...
So it looks like I'll be spending €100 at best (Codex included) until the end of the year... I can live with that.
While I don't like the models, the centurion rules may be good for representing some sort of combat techmarine squad with the guns/drills mounted on mechandrites. Could be cool for my Iron Hands...
The captain and the Librarian look very good but I prefer to convert up my own captains. The Chaplin looks like it might be good if it was pictured from a different angle. The vanguard looks like a good kit like the fact that the hands attach to the arms should be good to add to my FW models, but I am a bit annoyed that there doesn't seem to be too many bits left over. Sternguard look good form the pic. Devastator Centurions look a lot better than the assault variants heavy bolters look a bit too big. The rhino variants for some reason remind me of RT rhinos.
I really gotta say, I'm surprised by the overall negative reaction to GW and the 40K direction. Let's be honest, form what I see a good majority of the folks like the Vanguards, the Sternguards and the HQ models. The newer Finecast Captains released 2 months ago also look way cooler then some of the stuff form years past (I just started collecting, but I can Google). The problem is with the Centurion thingis. Ok, some people like them, some hate them, some have no opinion either way. but, is that any reason to rag on the whole 40K series? of course not.
That being said, anyone tell if the banner for the Captain is sculpted of is it another free-hand one? I'm guessing feeehand cause he can be for many different chapters, but I just thought I'd ask.
The problem is with the Centurion thingis. Ok, some people like them, some hate them, some have no opinion either way. but, is that any reason to rag on the whole 40K series? of course not.
I'm pretty sure centurions are universally hated. Even my little brother hates them. It isn't 50/50, not even 80/20 hate/kinda like ratio.
Nobody is hating 40k entirely based on centurions.
That other tank's really going to make my purchasing choice difficult now, what with those vanguard and the sternguard (which I'm hoping are just as sweet). The dakka-version of the termietubbies look much better, although still scream out for some converting.
I eagerly await the UK prices to appear.
The problem is with the Centurion thingis. Ok, some people like them, some hate them, some have no opinion either way. but, is that any reason to rag on the whole 40K series? of course not.
I'm pretty sure centurions are universally hated. Even my little brother hates them. It isn't 50/50, not even 80/20 hate/kinda like ratio.
Nobody is hating 40k entirely based on centurions.
I think the new models are looking really cool and I'm already saving I was just saying cause there were many comments about the whole 40k line based on just one set.
Other than them I think all of the Space Marine models look awesome.
And yes, mine will be smurfs. I'm not afraid to say it - I love Ultramarines
The problem is with the Centurion thingis. Ok, some people like them, some hate them, some have no opinion either way. but, is that any reason to rag on the whole 40K series? of course not.
I'm pretty sure centurions are universally hated. Even my little brother hates them. It isn't 50/50, not even 80/20 hate/kinda like ratio.
Nobody is hating 40k entirely based on centurions.
No it is actually more like 70/30 against, if you actually read all the posts.
The shooty ones are better, but that is like polishing a turd.
If the rules AND fluff are good (I am highly skeptical of the fluff) I will proxy them some how.
The characters are 'OK'. I just noticed the Chaplain looks like he got TP'd by a bunch of drunk college kids. Without a better picture, the older chaplains look much better.
The tanks are cool but I don't get the ground pistons. A Vindicator would need something like that, not a missle luancher.
That being said, anyone tell if the banner for the Captain is sculpted of is it another free-hand one? I'm guessing feeehand cause he can be for many different chapters, but I just thought I'd ask.
It's probably sculpted but with an Ultramarine symbol painted on
The newer Finecast Captains released 2 months ago also look way cooler then some of the stuff form years past
They may look cooler but you pay the price for it, the other Captains cost £20.5 for four which is 197.5% more per captain (I think), they're good but not that good.
I like everything I've seen so far. I'm really waiting on seeing the new Tacticals though, as that'll really make or break if I'm using them or FW to make my Exorcists army.
The problem is with the Centurion thingis. Ok, some people like them, some hate them, some have no opinion either way. but, is that any reason to rag on the whole 40K series? of course not.
I'm pretty sure centurions are universally hated. Even my little brother hates them. It isn't 50/50, not even 80/20 hate/kinda like ratio.
Nobody is hating 40k entirely based on centurions.
I think the new models are looking really cool and I'm already saving I was just saying cause there were many comments about the whole 40k line based on just one set.
Other than them I think all of the Space Marine models look awesome.
And yes, mine will be smurfs. I'm not afraid to say it - I love Ultramarines
It's because other recent 40k releases have also had some, shall we say, divisive units for Dakka denizens to dislike. Thinking here of Dark Angels - Belial, new Asmodai, Landspeeder Vengeance; Chaos - mutilators, dinobot and hell turkey; Tau - Riptide had quite a bit of hate for its aesthetics if not its rules; Eldar - Wraithknight had plenty of detractors; Apocalypse - Lord of Skulls, assorted static SM Captains with ridiculous accoutrements. All of which have been viewed, rightly or wrongly, as evidence of laziness on the part of the design team and an effort to shoehorn larger more toy-like models into 40k. Hence why the Centurions are talked about in relation to 40k more generally.
That being said, anyone tell if the banner for the Captain is sculpted of is it another free-hand one? I'm guessing feeehand cause he can be for many different chapters, but I just thought I'd ask.
It's probably sculpted but with an Ultramarine symbol painted on
That's alright because I need it for my Ultramarine army anyways so I'm happy
The newer Finecast Captains released 2 months ago also look way cooler then some of the stuff form years past
They may look cooler but you pay the price for it, the other Captains cost £20.5 for four which is 197.5% more per captain (I think), they're good but not that good.
Didn't see a Captain set from previous iterations - must Google again
Same here Tacs are what I want to see the most. I'm quiet surprised we getting so many pics so early.
And most are by new accounts. Almost like GW has started to recognize the Internet exists and decided to control leaks by leaking the product themselves. I mean really how does a box of the not even shipped to distributors vanguards 'accidentally' make it to a stores shelves?
Phew, I'm not the only one finding that slightly odd.
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Azazelx wrote: Any word as to whether those character models are in Finecast, or plastics (either multipart like the captain, or monopose like the newish WHFB ones)?
The Librarian and Captain are monopose plastics.
The Chaplain is unknown but likely monopose as well.
I think it is safe to say GW is doing a LOT of the leaking lately. Like why would I, if I had the access, only post two pictures from WD and then wait 24-48 hours to post more?
Most dakka-ites would post a full spread as soon as they could.
It is very eyebrow raising how first we only see the drillatubbies and then after 24hours of pure internet rage do pictures of the dakkatubbies get released. I mean c'mon who does that?
And that is a good question about the vanguard.... How did the store even get them a month early?
SickSix wrote: I think it is safe to say GW is doing a LOT of the leaking lately. Like why would I, if I had the access, only post two pictures from WD and then wait 24-48 hours to post more?
Most dakka-ites would post a full spread as soon as they could.
It is very eyebrow raising how first we only see the drillatubbies and then after 24hours of pure internet rage do pictures of the dakkatubbies get released. I mean c'mon who does that?
And that is a good question about the vanguard.... How did the store even get them a month early?
Also close up snapshots of the character heads (head shots for their modeling agency portfolios), then later a group shot. Come on.
While I would like GW to finally recognize the Internet exists and that we as supporters of their games would like a preview, I just hate how they are still treating the consumer base. Just give us pics of the models. Then maybe after. Few days give us sprue pics. It might hurt sales a little but it also MIGHT increase sales as people start looking at ll the extra bling they get per sprue.
So okay, I made a quick sketch on how I might proxy the centurions:
-Combat oriented techmarine
-Accompanied by two turret guns/breaching drills mounted on tank tracks
-The turrets would share the base with the techmarine
-The 'tiity guns' would be mounted on mechandrites as part of the techmarines servo harness
How about the rules for the flyers, I recently found out they reprinted Death from the Sky, does anyone know if they will include those rules for Space Marine flyers in the codex? 
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