I found something like this...looks to be the new models showing a date of September 15th

Why do i get the feeling the new SM Codex will make the DA Codex look completely useless.

All these shiny new toys the 1st Chapter doesnt have for some strange reason :(

Arent they the old stuff?

Dante72 wrote:
I found something like this...looks to be the new models showing a date of September 15th

They are the old sternguard upgrade kit page. Not the new stuff

Is that a marine w/ a scout HB? Weird...

*Edit*
Ah, this kit? http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440277a&prodId=prod1710018a
Huh, didn't know that existed... Dang thos combi-weapons are ugly

My bad... the poses look different form the Finecast models so I thought

Yeah that's the crummy weapons kit that was released. 15th this year is a Sunday too

That's just the current upgrade kit

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710018a

Dante72 wrote:
My bad... the poses look different form the Finecast models so I thought

They're not the Finecast models.

But if you read the picture you linked it says "Sternguard Veteran Weapons" and mentions that it is a "resin conversion kit".

Mythantor wrote:
Why do i get the feeling the new SM Codex will make the DA Codex look completely useless.

All these shiny new toys the 1st Chapter doesnt have for some strange reason :(

As usual then.

And that picture is the sternguard upgrade set. Ages old.

 prowla wrote:
The Angry Super Mega Marine, now available in Angry Super Regular Marine sizes!

Reduced height by removing the belt, moved arms and feet closer to each other and shortened the hands.

This one loooks sooooooo much better

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Mythantor wrote:
Why do i get the feeling the new SM Codex will make the DA Codex look completely useless.

All these shiny new toys the 1st Chapter doesnt have for some strange reason :(

As usual then.

And that picture is the sternguard upgrade set. Ages old.

I am guessing there will be a FAQ or something to include the centurions and that in some of the other sm codex's?

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Mythantor wrote:
Why do i get the feeling the new SM Codex will make the DA Codex look completely useless.

All these shiny new toys the 1st Chapter doesnt have for some strange reason :(

As usual then.

And that picture is the sternguard upgrade set. Ages old.

I am guessing there will be a FAQ or something to include the centurions and that in some of the other sm codex's?

There will not be. I pretty much guarantee that.

bodazoka wrote:
Centurions look freakin sexy!

Cant wait for rules!!

Chubby chaser?

Is the librarian Tigarius?

Tigurius? Don't think so http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440271a&prodId=prod1600030a

Those are some ugly models. When I first saw them the first thought was the quote "cant hit the broad side of a barn." Well now we have infantry models wide and flat as the broad side of a barn. I cant picture my Space Sharks fielding these things regardless of the rules.

I concur with most people, the IF pics of those have them looking even worse. But then I hate the GW idea of what Imperial Fist yellow looks like too. Such better ways for a rich deep yellow and they go for flat bright yellow.

@Angry Ron

Well, I understand he has an older model.

Something that amazes me is that, after all this time, there is still no model of Kor'sarro Khan on a bike. I mean, he really should be on a bike, and converting that model to sit on a bike ain't easy considering his cape/awkward pose (for sitting on bike at least).


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Well, I understand he has an older model.

Yeah, it's jst if you ask me they look nothing alike, plus the current Tigurius model still holds up if yu ask me, and previous rumors say it's a generic libby.

That captain model on page 46, is that a new Sicarius model? Or generic SM Cappy?

Sorry if I missed the discussion already, this thread moves too fast.

Shooty Centurions look much better...not that I minded the assault version, but at least now I know I can put them on the table and I won't be as likely to hear people complaining about how they're the worst models GW has ever made (note: they're really not).

I agree that the drills were too oversized and the bell-bottom legs look a little too thick. But I don't think they deserved the amount of bile that's been spilled over them. If the shooty ones have rules that make them worth using, I think I can overlook some thick legs (not fussed about fielding the drill ones in any case).

And I still stand by the theory that they will look much, much better in real life.

I think all the new HQs are generic

 Mr.Omega wrote:
I kind of like the shooty Termietubbies - but the first thing I'm doing if I get them is replacing those god awful helmets and heads and removing that absolutely idiotic leg plate. If I was a rich man I'd proxy Contemptor Dreadnoughts as them instead, but gah.

Its no worry though, I bet all the money in the world that Centurions of both kinds will suck.

The question I keep coming back to is do I like the Dakka Centurions because they actually look good or because I saw the Drill Obsessed Termitubbies first?

Angry Ron wrote:
I think all the new HQs are generic

I'm not so sure, the captains banner looks like it has raised detail on it, but I can't tell if the ultramarines symbol is part of that, if its done freehand, its exceptional painting.

 Alfndrate wrote:
That captain model on page 46, is that a new Sicarius model? Or generic SM Cappy?

Sorry if I missed the discussion already, this thread moves too fast.

I'm 98% sure that it's generic.
But even if it is not, it's not Sicarius. He is painted with a red trim, for Third Company, which means it's Captain Fabian.

 Ramell wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
That captain model on page 46, is that a new Sicarius model? Or generic SM Cappy?

Sorry if I missed the discussion already, this thread moves too fast.

I'm 98% sure that it's generic.
But even if it is not, it's not Sicarius. He is painted with a red trim, for Third Company, which means it's Captain Fabian.

Sicarius is captain of the Second Company.

I must be missing an important detail that shows that the captain model in hotsauceman1's post is a 3rd Company Captain.

Yep, Sicarius is captain of 2nd.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Cannons, glorious, glorious, Cannons!

Such a big gun on a Rhino chassis brings tears to my eyes with happiness.
"Systems tech: Bloodthirster incoming sir! Tank Commander: Fire up the gun, I almost feel sorry for it... nah.. FIRE! <<FOOM!>> <<wings fall to ground>> ... target terminated."

 6^ wrote:
Yep, Sicarius is captain of 2nd.

Yes I know, my UM is all second company, I'm still trying to figure out what part of this image means he's 3rd company, the only red trim I see is the leather in the front...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I'm kinda baffled by the people saying that they like the shooty Centurions better than the grindy ones. It's the same thing with a gun in place of the drill:



Still has the same issues. Genuinely confused.

Looking forward to seeing the sprue pics and the 360° view though.

~Eric

 Alfndrate wrote:

 6^ wrote:
Yep, Sicarius is captain of 2nd.

Yes I know, my UM is all second company, I'm still trying to figure out what part of this image means he's 3rd company, the only red trim I see is the leather in the front...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

On the shoulder pad that mostly hidden by the combi-weapon. I've seen a different picture from a better angle, where more is visible. And it's definitely red.

Then can you post the image instead of having me sit here with a thumb up my arse, I asked if there was something I was missing. Your post here clearly shows that I'm missing a second angle...

Col. Dash wrote:
Those are some ugly models. When I first saw them the first thought was the quote "cant hit the broad side of a barn." Well now we have infantry models wide and flat as the broad side of a barn. I cant picture my Space Sharks fielding these things regardless of the rules.
.

Once you've decided that this is OK:



Centurions should be a problem!

Space (Whale) Sharks anyone?

 Taarnak wrote:
I'm kinda baffled by the people saying that they like the shooty Centurions better than the grindy ones. It's the same thing with a gun in place of the drill:



Still has the same issues. Genuinely confused.

Looking forward to seeing the sprue pics and the 360° view though.

~Eric

Umm, Just noticed now I can see both pics together... Are they static posed?

All the arms are in exactly the same positions on both pics, and so are the heads to a certain extent....

EDIT: Not exactly the same as the left arm on both the bottom left models seem to be slightly different heights.

I think this is much more fitting...

Not sure if this was posted already but I don't feel like looking through all the pages

 Alfndrate wrote:
Then can you post the image instead of having me sit here with a thumb up my arse, I asked if there was something I was missing. Your post here clearly shows that I'm missing a second angle...

Alf look right above the Combi weapons body. You can see a strip of the Red edging on his Shoulder Pad.


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TheMostWize wrote:
I think this is much more fitting...

Not sure if this was posted already but I don't feel like looking through all the pages

Ya a bunch of pages ago, but this is a fast fast thread!

 Alfndrate wrote:
Then can you post the image instead of having me sit here with a thumb up my arse, I asked if there was something I was missing. Your post here clearly shows that I'm missing a second angle...

Sorry, I entered "I'm right and I know it" mode. Here you go:

 Ramell wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Then can you post the image instead of having me sit here with a thumb up my arse, I asked if there was something I was missing. Your post here clearly shows that I'm missing a second angle...

Sorry, I entered "I'm right and I know it" mode. Here you go:

Was that so hard?

And yeah, but a paintjob is a paintjob, I would say generic SM captain than. The only problem is that banner. I only asked because it looks similar to my Captain Sicarius model.

The only thing is that they already have a finecast version of him, I doubt they'd make another one

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Page 42. But yeah it would be nice to get all the pics in the first post.

Cheers, got it.



Want to see more of these guys. Iron Hands colours no less. Huzzah!

 Taarnak wrote:
I'm kinda baffled by the people saying that they like the shooty Centurions better than the grindy ones.
Still has the same issues. Genuinely confused.

Looking forward to seeing the sprue pics and the 360° view though.

~Eric

It's because the drills are weird and the legs are dumb. The guns are guns, not weirdly shaped tools. The blue does help, I think, but the legs are still a killer for me. I will never buy these. I will instead make my own using some other model as a base.

They are so cute before they grow up...

 Medium of Death wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Page 42. But yeah it would be nice to get all the pics in the first post.

Cheers, got it.



Want to see more of these guys. Iron Hands colours no less. Huzzah!

Ravenguard? I think the shoulder pad is the deciding factor. Raven guard are all black except when company colors are put in the trim... Iron Hands seem to have silver trim on the shoulder pads.

 Taarnak wrote:
I'm kinda baffled by the people saying that they like the shooty Centurions better than the grindy ones. It's the same thing with a gun in place of the drill:



Still has the same issues. Genuinely confused.

Looking forward to seeing the sprue pics and the 360° view though.

~Eric

Legs are monopose.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Page 42. But yeah it would be nice to get all the pics in the first post.

Cheers, got it.



Want to see more of these guys. Iron Hands colours no less. Huzzah!

How on earth do those bolters even fire? Is the gun barrel curved inside or something? Do GW designers even think before using another gun as a template for a combi weapon?

If you can't see it by the way, the muzzle height compared to the ejector.


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 Alfndrate wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Page 42. But yeah it would be nice to get all the pics in the first post.

Cheers, got it.



Want to see more of these guys. Iron Hands colours no less. Huzzah!

Ravenguard? I think the shoulder pad is the deciding factor. Raven guard are all black except when company colors are put in the trim... Iron Hands seem to have silver trim on the shoulder pads.

Deffo iron hands, the clue is in the colour of the hands. Veterns have two 'iron' hands.

The character models are average and serviceable at best. :shrug: I really think they've stripped mined those for ideas enough already over the years that there is simply no impressing anyone anymore with the character models. We've seen it all before. Again, the strong winners here are the two tank variants. They look well done. Everything else is meh at best.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Page 42. But yeah it would be nice to get all the pics in the first post.

Cheers, got it.



Want to see more of these guys. Iron Hands colours no less. Huzzah!

Ravenguard? I think the shoulder pad is the deciding factor. Raven guard are all black except when company colors are put in the trim... Iron Hands seem to have silver trim on the shoulder pads.

The Vanguard box would suggest that Raven Guard Veterans have one all-white arm and a white helmet, the issue is with the picture that poor quality I can't tell if the hands and left arms are white or silver.

Yod's got it - That's the other clue - Raven Guard Veterans have White Shoulder Pads and Arms!

 Crimson wrote:
I found these at BoLS forums:

I never thought that GW would find a way to make loyalist Obliterators. At the same time I forsee conversions using these guys into Ork Meganobz and possibly as a good basis for Obliterators.

As far as the various codex covers I'm looking forward to having my Space Wolves on the cover of the normal SM codex, there is a delicious sort of irony in being able to have your favorite chapter on the cover of a codex they aren't even in. As far as Black Templars goes I don't really think it's a bad thing that they're being rolled into one codex, it kind of follows the template set by Codex: Grey Knights where they rolled multiple armies into one codex. Plus after releasing one codex they could focus more on release new models for each of the individual chapters instead of having to do seperate codices for each.

And I'm pretty happy about Gravity Weapons being back though I don't think normal squads should have acess to them, seems like they took the railgun road and gave them to everyone. Technology that rare shouldn't be given to everyone.

Raven Guard Vets also don't have 'Iron' Hands.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Raven Guard Vets also don't have 'Iron' Hands.

The picture quality is as such that the silver hands don't look silver...

Also if this has been mentioned I apologize but any rumors that characters such as captains or CM will be able to don Centurion armor?

I hope they are Iron Hands, it'd be nice to see my favourite chapter get some love for once

I wonder what the fluff for the armour will be? I wonder where the technology comes from? To me, they look like heavy loaders, the sort of thing used to reload shells on Battle Barges perhaps? Though, I suppose specialist servitors are used for that if it isn't all auto?


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 Alfndrate wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Raven Guard Vets also don't have 'Iron' Hands.

The picture quality is as such that the silver hands don't look silver...

I can see the picture really well on my screen, they are definitely silver.

I believe they are motorized suits used to field injured marines while they are recovering. Kinda strange I know...

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Raven Guard Vets also don't have 'Iron' Hands.

The picture quality is as such that the silver hands don't look silver...

I can see the picture really well on my screen, they are definitely silver.

They match the white of the guns too closely in that picture, which looks to be a crappy cell phone pic. At first glance it doesn't look silver, if you go in knowing it's silver because you've read comments of people saying it's silver, your mind is going to think silver.

Also the Centurions should not be confused with these:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Centurion_%28Space_Marine%29

I think they're silver, the hands on the marine on the right are definitely slightly darker than the gun he's holding.

Angry Ron wrote:
I believe they are motorized suits used to field injured marines while they are recovering. Kinda strange I know...

That was posted as a joke.

I actually like them, and look forward to adding them to my 10,000pt Ultramarine army.

You can see it clearer on the model further backwards - less flash exposure - and, I've colour picked it in photoshop, it certainly isn't white, and is a shade of grey!

Oooh, talking about Iron Hands, I wonder if there will be any bionics in the kit. I do like me some bionics...

TheMostWize wrote:
I think this is much more fitting...

Not sure if this was posted already but I don't feel like looking through all the pages

Still need a bit of work orkifyling (some exhausts and more stabby bits on the guns), but they look so much better.

That's probably enough about that topic guys - they aren't Raven Guard, they're probably Iron Hands.

Oh no, GW made a model I don't like and I'll have to use to be competitive. I quit the hobby.

Seriously? Just don't use it.

Or use an alternate model

Or force youself to love it like a psychotic girlfriend with abandonment issues.

Did I miss the strenguard?

I was blasting through looking for them as I keep hearing they're the best looking new models.


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sternguard

 c0j1r0 wrote:
Oh no, GW made a model I don't like and I'll have to use to be competitive. I quit the hobby.

Seriously? Just don't use it.

Yeah man, totally, I mean what's up with all these people sharing their opinions of stuff? It's not like we're on a discussion forum where we discuss things or anything. Gah come on guys, stop, like, talking about stuff.




Anyways...at this point, I've seen things I thought I wouldn't like and don't(Termitubbies), things that aren't bad at all but I don't have much use for(Vanguards + AA Tanks), but all I really want is confirmation of the inclusion of the First Founding chapters(Iron Hands in particular) and the extent of that inclusion, and better/more pics of the Sternguard.

Honestly I think the devastator Centurions look decent enough, at least in the sense that all that armor and the slow moving that most likely comes with it makes sense with ranged units carrying heavy weapons.

The clearer picture helps a lot though too. It will be interesting to see both the Assault and Devastator versions in 360* view.

 Ctan_Overlord wrote:
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Honestly I think the devastator Centurions look decent enough, at least in the sense that all that armor and the slow moving that most likely comes with it makes sense with ranged units carrying heavy weapons.
.

I think the legs are just a bit too static even for these, they certainly dont work for a supposed assault squad though.

The proportions just look very off, but its difficult without an idea of size, because if those are 40mm bases these things are smaller than normal termies, if they are 60mm , they are taller than dreads I think.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 Ctan_Overlord wrote:
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Honestly I think the devastator Centurions look decent enough, at least in the sense that all that armor and the slow moving that most likely comes with it makes sense with ranged units carrying heavy weapons.
.

I think the legs are just a bit too static even for these, they certainly dont work for a supposed assault squad though.

The proportions just look very off, but its difficult without an idea of size, because if those are 40mm bases these things are smaller than normal termies, if they are 60mm , they are taller than dreads I think.

If I had to guess I would say they are on 60mm bases, otherwise they would be pretty damn tiny for their cost

I consolidated the images here...

I was having too difficult a time finding and rereferencing everything and I just wanted to see it in one place.



http://www.battlebarn.com/ultramarines-get-all-the-best-toys-for-now-t1961.html



Let me know if I missed anything please.

Don't really get all the people talking about them being 'loyalist obliterators'. They're way too big. Doesn't make sense.

Bull0 wrote:
Don't really get all the people talking about them being 'loyalist obliterators'. They're way too big. Doesn't make sense.

Big resilient unit that is taken in a max unit of three which can lay down a varied barrage of heavy weapons fire...

Instead of power armor marines wearing power armor, they should have resculpted the whole line to truescale instead and made the marines look like the 8ft tall power armor steroid freaks they are. I can't think of a reason for those centurions to exist that doesn't completely negate the reason for some other unit. The storm raven/spaceguppy at least plugged a relatively empty hole that the Thunderhawk was doing triple duty filling but these are just plain out of place. Everything they are supposed to do is done supposedly quite well by terminators and/or dreadnoughts. It certainly doesn't help that the models themselves are so ugly as well.

Bull0 wrote:
Don't really get all the people talking about them being 'loyalist obliterators'. They're way too big. Doesn't make sense.

The idea came out of the description of a Marine with multiple weapons in large bulky armor and the internet can never let a joke die, even if it doesn't fit completely (as the Centurians only share Lascannons with the Oblits. For those who don't know, Oblits only use energy weapons because they alter their body to fire them. When they spit plasma cannons shots at you THEIR BLOOD IS BURNING HOT PLASMA, the new suits obviously don't do the same thing).

 warboss wrote:
Instead of power armor marines wearing power armor, they should have resculpted the whole line to truescale instead and made the marines look like the 8ft tall power armor steroid freaks they are.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

That'd make my collection of marines look stupid next to the new ones. That'd be how 95% of marine collecters would feel. Angreh.

Bull0 wrote:
Don't really get all the people talking about them being 'loyalist obliterators'. They're way too big. Doesn't make sense.

But we don't know how big they are!

It's about the size of a broadside...look at the barrels next to them.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Instead of power armor marines wearing power armor, they should have resculpted the whole line to truescale instead and made the marines look like the 8ft tall power armor steroid freaks they are.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

That'd make my collection of marines look stupid next to the new ones. That'd be how 95% of marine collecters would feel. Angreh.

If a collection doesn't look stupid now, it wouldn't look stupid later. My primary marine army is a 2nd edition and earlier all old style/metal 6k force and I don't have any issues using it nor have I ever seen anyone comment badly about someone busting out the old RTB001 figs. Would it ruffle feathers? Sure... but at least it would be a meaningful change on the tabletop visually and not the herpderp that the centurions are.

Yeah, those devestator centurions will certainly find a place in my company. I wonder how they fit into company organization? Will they replace a devestator squad I wonder?

I can't find it now, but did someone say they moved Vanguard to elite to make room for Centurians in FA? Does that mean these are jump infantry? Cause that makes them sound even more awesome.

 warboss wrote:
Instead of power armor marines wearing power armor, they should have resculpted the whole line to truescale instead and made the marines look like the 8ft tall power armor steroid freaks they are. I can't think of a reason for those centurions to exist that doesn't completely negate the reason for some other unit. The storm raven/spaceguppy at least plugged a relatively empty hole that the Thunderhawk was doing triple duty filling but these are just plain out of place. Everything they are supposed to do is done supposedly quite well by terminators and/or dreadnoughts. It certainly doesn't help that the models themselves are so ugly as well.

True Scale screws up the scale of the game of the game itself as then you'd have to change the size of the table to accommodate the new movement ranges, or deal with the fact that the Rhino would be too big to walk from the front to the back of in a single turn (a big reason for its the current size).

I could not have imagined a more ridiculous design. Really I couldn't.

Are those powerfists in with the heavy weapon in each hand or just really big gloves I can't tell.

These leaks are awesome! I can now prepare funds why oh why they keep this all secret is beyond me. Hit with all this later, I would have been unprepared financially. Thank god for these leaks. Now we just need pics of the tactical squads and more stern guard

I don't know what GW has against properly proportioned heads. It all begin with the Dreadknight and has extended to things such as the Riptide as well. Yet again, the Centurions would look much better if they had a properly proportioned helmet.

 ceorron wrote:
I could not have imagined a more ridiculous design. Really I couldn't.

Are those powerfists in with the heavy weapon in each hand or just really big gloves I can't tell.

I can! Same design, but cover them with spikes, give them massive jump packs and warped, clawed feet.

And a pony.

chipstar1 wrote:
I can't find it now, but did someone say they moved Vanguard to elite to make room for Centurians in FA? Does that mean these are jump infantry? Cause that makes them sound even more awesome.

As pointed out by a friend, the grindy ones have the FA marking on shoulders, the shooty ones have the Heavy markings. So I guess lets hope the grindy ones are jump.

 Harriticus wrote:
I don't know what GW has against properly proportioned heads. It all begin with the Dreadknight and has extended to things such as the Riptide as well. Yet again, the Centurions would look much better if they had a properly proportioned helmet.

The helmet is proportional though, the armor is supposed to be THAT BIG. Normal Marine head on because it's a normal Marine clad in enough armor to basically function as his own siege engine.

I made this quick comparison pic to so we can see how Centurion would scale depending on whether it was on 60mm or 40mm base. I still think that 50mm would be a realistic option as both of these look kinda odd.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
I could not have imagined a more ridiculous design. Really I couldn't.

Are those powerfists in with the heavy weapon in each hand or just really big gloves I can't tell.

I can! Same design, but cover them with spikes, give them massive jump packs and warped, clawed feet.

And a pony.

Thats only slightly more ridiculous than these designs.
I'm going with big gloves seen as the close combat ones seem to need the CC attachment on their gloves.

 Harriticus wrote:
I don't know what GW has against properly proportioned heads. It all begin with the Dreadknight and has extended to things such as the Riptide as well. Yet again, the Centurions would look much better if they had a properly proportioned helmet.

Not really. Give them a bigger head, and they'd stop looking like large battlefield-armour/constructs, etc.. and start looking simply like some Space Marine variant in a wrong scale. Like placing a 54mm Inquisitor Space Marine into an army of regular 28mm Space Marines. They don't look "large", they simply look "wrong scale":

 Crimson wrote:


But we don't know how big they are!

Ah, I feel like I've got a sense for how big they are from the pictures. Yes, that isn't foolproof, but I'm about 90% certain they're about double the height of a marine going by the head size etc.

 Eldarain wrote:

Big resilient unit that is taken in a max unit of three which can lay down a varied barrage of heavy weapons fire...

"Varied" is a bit of a stretch as oblits fire a different weapon every turn, and these guys are allowed three different weapons in a squad... Devastators are more varied...

 Crimson wrote:

I made this quick comparison pic to so we can see how Centurion would scale depending on whether it was on 60mm or 40mm base. I still think that 50mm would be a realistic option as both of these look kinda odd.

The pic really doesn't work as the terminator and its base are bigger than the dreadnought.

 ceorron wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
I could not have imagined a more ridiculous design. Really I couldn't.

Are those powerfists in with the heavy weapon in each hand or just really big gloves I can't tell.

I can! Same design, but cover them with spikes, give them massive jump packs and warped, clawed feet.

And a pony.

Thats only slightly more ridiculous than these designs.
I'm going with big gloves seen as the close combat ones seem to need the CC attachment on their gloves.

Then give them tank track roller skates so they can go faster, and a mount an Astartes Grenade Launcher on their pelvic plate!

And the challenge was only for a "more ridiculous design" not for the severity of the ridiculous,

Is there a universal heavy bolter size we could go off of?

 Theophony wrote:

The pic really doesn't work as the terminator and its base are bigger than the dreadnought.

All their bases are same width. That way you can compare Centurion to dread if you assume it's on 60mm base and compare it to Terminator if you assume it's on 40mm base.

WOW, and I thought Space Marnines were already an ironic exaggeration...THOSE things easily bridge the gap to pure sarcasm!

The litmus test of true SM players: If you are too pansy to field them in all seriousness then you are not worthy to play SM!

New space marines? Not to be the killjoy but doesnt this happen every edition?

treslibras wrote:
The litmus test of true SM players: If you are too pansy to field them in all seriousness then you are not worthy to play SM!

I don't know, it seems a bit harsh to judge SM players on whether or not they are willing to field a model that waddles onto the battlefield.

It can't be 40mm. The proportions would be so hilariously off the idea of getting a marine into that thing would be comical. At 60mm he could at least roll up into a ball and sit in its chest.

I saw the pics of the Centurion and it doesn't look like a 50 ton Centurion at all now if we are talking about GW copying a 100ton Atlas.

M.

Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

My favourite part of all this so far is the bearded marine heads.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

Significantly better, imo.

DRC wrote:
New space marines? Not to be the killjoy but doesnt this happen every edition?

That somehow invalidates people looking forward to, and getting excited by, a new release how?

People get excited a out the new footie season/new COD/Christmas every year, don't they?

Besides, this release actually features a new unit type, rather than a new variant on an existing one, so is perhaps grounds for a bit more discussion (even if most of it is negative.)

treslibras wrote:
WOW, and I thought Space Marnines were already an ironic exaggeration...THOSE things easily bridge the gap to pure sarcasm!

The litmus test of true SM players: If you are too pansy to field them in all seriousness then you are not worthy to play SM!

Yes of course. Anyone who doesn't like these are clearly 'pansy'. Their criticism has nothing to do with the fact that these new models don't fit the SM aesthetic, that they don't appear to even be able to move and you would have to chop up a marine to fit them in there.

No everyone is clearly just a sissy and should man up and give GW $78 for models the person thinks are awful.


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 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

Looks better, now if the thigh and groin plates could be removed, we may start to approach 'tolerable'.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

I say worse. When you consider that your average Marine weighs about a TON in power armor, those guys are easilly 2-3 tons, which means those side toes are pretty much required. They help the Marine balance more effectively on uneven ground, and disperse the weight over a larger area, making the ground less likely to collapse because it's putting an actual ton to a ton and a half of pressure onto an area the size of a basket ball.

Is it still a bit silly even when considering that? Hell yes, and I'm fine with that. I like my 40k cranked past 11.

To try a gauge the height of the Centurions I've tried to use the helmet as it seems to be a standard size, or at least I'm assuming its the same size as the one in tactical box set

You can see the size of the barrels next to the guy on the left hand side of both of these pictures...boom...done...bigger than a terminator.

So the new guy is roughly 6 a quarter heads high, the tac marine is about 4 and half.

This makes him about 1/3 taller(ish) than a marine.

That's not nearly tall enough to fit a marine in that thing.

Not that that's ever stopped anyone in the imperium before.

 Koppo wrote:
To try a gauge the height of the Centurions I've tried to use the helmet as it seems to be a standard size, or at least I'm assuming its the same size as the one in tactical box set

And that makes the Centurion base 50mm!

 Theophony wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

I made this quick comparison pic to so we can see how Centurion would scale depending on whether it was on 60mm or 40mm base. I still think that 50mm would be a realistic option as both of these look kinda odd.

The pic really doesn't work as the terminator and its base are bigger than the dreadnought.

The pic works fine. The op was correct neither scale looks right maybe they really are on mew 50mm bases maybe it GW way of slowing the proxies down a bit.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

Spoiler:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

Honestly, I prefer them with the toes. Without they look a bit like they're wearing booties.

Good Photoshopping, though.

Having looked at the pictures for a long time I find myself agreeing that the groin plates look odd - it's one of those things where once it's seen I can't unsee it. They fit under the thigh plates ( ) so they don't look like they could move when the suit takes a step forward - rather, the leg would just clang against this unyielding metal plate, or the thigh plate would grind on it. Are the thigh plates riveted to the groin (ouch) or what? Hence, I see why people are saying they would have a waddling gait.

I think they could look more convincing if the groin armour was simply left off altogether.

DRC wrote:
New space marines? Not to be the killjoy but doesnt this happen every edition?

Doesn't mean you can't get excited, it'll have been 4 years and 11 months since the last codex was released.

Cover the whole head area in some sort of armored dome and you've got something, although I guess it might look a bit high-tech

Maybe they are genetically engineered marines who have a super thin waist and a rediculously wide chest as well as long legs and arms. Even more so than usual.

 xole wrote:
Maybe they are genetically engineered marines who have a super thin waist and a rediculously wide chest as well as long legs and arms. Even more so than usual.

Or their normal Marines who use a different kind of interface system to control the armor.

Target acquired. Centurians fail to impress. Looks like a TMNT in power armor. Salamanders centurians will really look like ninja turtles. Look at those hands! Completely devoid of.detail. I know i love painting things like that. Someone please buy those so i can mutilate and obliterate them. I like the concept. The design and execution leaves a lot to be desired. They look much better with ork pilots. Gretchen pilots would make me laugh in a good way. In the hands of a skilled painter, they could look bad ass. I'm imagining iron hands with tons of body damage and wear and tear. Maybe an arm without armor casing and a cyborg head or iron hands bionic helmet. Even an imperial fist or white scars paint job with battle damage could be cool.

As for everything else; HELL YES! Just in time to round out my formations for apocalypse. I love the new tank and i hope there is yet another new tank with a heavy gravity cannon. Those grav weapons are sick and i imagine will be a hot item for bits dealers. The new HQs look like shiny new targets for me to chew on. I love it.

If there upper bodies are big enough then I might try mounting them on tracks. Though it probably won't the SM aesthetic.

...Are you tying to use TMNT as a derogatory remark...if so you have utterly failed.

Those turtle kick @ss.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Target acquired. Centurians fail to impress. Looks like a TMNT in power armor. Salamanders centurians will really look like ninja turtles. Look at those hands! Completely devoid of.detail. I know i love painting things like that. Someone please buy those so i can mutilate and obliterate them. I like the concept. The design and execution leaves a lot to be desired. They look much better with ork pilots. Gretchen pilots would make me laugh in a good way. In the hands of a skilled painter, they could look bad ass. I'm imagining iron hands with tons of body damage and wear and tear. Maybe an arm without armor casing and a cyborg head or iron hands bionic helmet. Even an imperial fist or white scars paint job with battle damage could be cool.

As for everything else; HELL YES! Just in time to round out my formations for apocalypse. I love the new tank and i hope there is yet another new tank with a heavy gravity cannon. Those grav weapons are sick and i imagine will be a hot item for bits dealers. The new HQs look like shiny new targets for me to chew on. I love it.

How about this: replace the head with a transparent dome (just say it's the same super-tough glass they use on starship bridges if anyone nitpicks) containing a brain floating in fluid and covered in plugs and wires, and call them combat servitors.

 Lord Scythican wrote:

When using logistics like that, yeah I agree. What I don't like is that the side toes are so damn close, the guys have probably a few inches of clearance in between their toes on their scale. The toes are necessary yes, but they would make walking significantly harder.

What's the problem is that any stuff on the inside of the legs hampers any regular movement. Tape a pair of coke cans on the insides of your ankles and try walking fast - that's how much width power armor boots take, if not more, and it already makes it easy to bang the legs together. Add MegaBoots and sprinkle with a few inch extra toes on the inside (say, total of three coke cans on each inside ankle), you're gonna fall over more often than an Ork Mega-Warboss on a Warbike - unless you want to walk around like every moment is high noon

 prowla wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:

When using logistics like that, yeah I agree. What I don't like is that the side toes are so damn close, the guys have probably a few inches of clearance in between their toes on their scale. The toes are necessary yes, but they would make walking significantly harder.

What's the problem is that any stuff on the inside of the legs hampers any regular movement. Tape a pair of coke cans on the insides of your ankles and try walking fast - that's how much width power armor boots take, if not more, and it already makes it easy to bang the legs together. Add MegaBoots sprinkle with a few inch toes on the inside (say, total of three coke cans on each inside ankle), you're gonna fall over more often than an Ork Mega-Warboss on a Warbike - unless you want to walk around like every moment is high noon

Exactly my point! I think what has happened to this guy, is he is built too damn heavy for a frame like that.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 6^ wrote:
Yep, Sicarius is captain of 2nd.

Yes I know, my UM is all second company, I'm still trying to figure out what part of this image means he's 3rd company, the only red trim I see is the leather in the front...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Anyone notice the Storm Raven in the Background?

There's red trim on the Captain's left shoulder pad.

OK, so, so far in order to take the Centurions past "HBLURK, I just sicked up in my mouth a little bit" to "passable", you'd have to; trim down the feet, remove the crotch/thigh plates, get rid of the Power Mittens and integrate the drills(for Assault) into the fists or use a Terminator heavy weapon-style mounting(for the Devs), then remove the Fragtits and either integrate them into the existing shoulderpads or, ideally, new shoulderpads entirely. And replace the head. And possibly modify the waist to account for the other changes.

That's a pretty hefty amount of effort for such an expensive kit.

We knew the Storm Raven was coming with it's "shoots thunderhammer missiles" profile

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

I think it looks better without the side toes but that only improves the look of the lower extremities. These models fall into the space guppy category of "I need to change too many things to make the model look acceptable". I did it with the Storm Raven and turned mine into a mini-Thunderhawk but these models (and the guppy) require too much to get just a little visual appeal.

The Chaplain looks like a Night Lord.

He makes a pretty good Night Lord too.

 Yodhrin wrote:
OK, so, so far in order to take the Centurions past "HBLURK, I just sicked up in my mouth a little bit" to "passable", you'd have to; trim down the feet, remove the crotch/thigh plates, get rid of the Power Mittens and integrate the drills(for Assault) into the fists or use a Terminator heavy weapon-style mounting(for the Devs), then remove the Fragtits and either integrate them into the existing shoulderpads or, ideally, new shoulderpads entirely. And replace the head. And possibly modify the waist to account for the other changes.

That's a pretty hefty amount of effort for such an expensive kit.

+1. People always say "it sucks but there's conversion/mod potential..", but seem to forget the price tag it comes with. Such was the case with, for example, the CSM Forgefiend kit. If I pay $60 for a monster kit from a company that "makes the best miniatures in the world", I'd expect it to look sweet as it is - not to be a half-finished pile of parts that needs ton of conversion work to make it look good.

I think what makes it even more annoying is that GW actually has good models out there - you know there's people in the company that can design great stuff, but just happens that the models for your army were designed based on a concept by someone's kid who's around 7 years old..

Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

 Bull0 wrote:
Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

It was in the 4th codex you could purchase a familiar that help with the powers of the Librarian. Problem was. No one knew what one looked like.

Anyone notice the Storm Raven in the Background?

Marines have been able to take these for a couple of months now.

Not a fan of the fat little cyber cherub, it would be better with out the stupid sword and shield, belly percing and clean lines.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

It was in the 4th codex you could purchase a familiar that help with the powers of the Librarian. Problem was. No one knew what one looked like.

Apparently the correct answer is "like a fat cyborg baby with wings".

I'm still surprised that a random store got their hands on the new releases already, and that some random guy was already able to post the pictures.

And the leaked White Dwarf pictures are pretty good quality as well.

Is GW doing "viral marketing" now?

Those Centurions are some of the worst models Gw has ever done. I see where the idea for them comes from though. Pre space hulk (early 90s I seem to remember) they did a hunch back Terminator that looked similar, he even had shoulder mounted recesses similar to guns, if I wasn't on my phone id try to find a pic. Thank fully I have a White Scars esk force so I wont use them.

The arti piece on the Rhino however will fit wonderfully into my Guard working as a modern looking Griffon or Bombard depending on the size of it.

It would make sense if GW did leak them - I'd leak my worst stuff first and then progress to nerdgasm inducing plastic kits with plenty of bits etc.

It really would be the final nail in the coffin for Centurions if they got the Mutilator treatment rules-wise.

 d-usa wrote:
I'm still surprised that a random store got their hands on the new releases already, and that some random guy was already able to post the pictures.

And the leaked White Dwarf pictures are pretty good quality as well.

Is GW doing "viral marketing" now?

What do you mean now?

You think its a coincidence that every unit, every secret GW has ever had is released about a month before they release the product?

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

It was in the 4th codex you could purchase a familiar that help with the powers of the Librarian. Problem was. No one knew what one looked like.

Apparently the correct answer is "like a fat cyborg baby with wings".

Haven't you guys seen 40k artwork before? At least half of the Imperium's population consists of winged cyborg babies and jet-propelled skulls. But seriously, cherubim-as-psychic-familiars goes back (at least) to the 3rd Ed. Daemonhunters book. There's even one on the cover.

For anyone that's missed it...I compiled the leaked images in one place.



http://www.battlebarn.com/ultramarines-get-all-the-best-toys-for-now-t1961.html



I wil give kudos to anyone that finds me a sternguard pic...many kudos...like...four kudos.

Any stat leaks on the Centurions?

While they look odd, I also am strangely drawn to them.


Anyway, my guess statwise is something like T5, 2+ armor, 4+ invuln(iron halo), and can fire 2 ranged weapons. They look like they come with 2 powerfists as well(devvies and assault versions)

 ductvader wrote:
For anyone that's missed it...I compiled the leaked images in one place.



http://www.battlebarn.com/ultramarines-get-all-the-best-toys-for-now-t1961.html



I wil give kudos to anyone that finds me a sternguard pic...many kudos...like...four kudos.

You should remove the AoBR captain picture you have in it, he's not new, just posted to compare with the new captain.

Ah sorry...thanks for the info though!

I was just trigger happy on the posting

Lets face it. You will all buy the termie tubbies if the rules are solid and they work really well. Tactics will usually win out over aesthetics. I myself think they are a bit overly bulky but they don't look horrible. It was a chance to make something fantastic looking but they missed.

Did anyone else immediately make the following connection?

spamthulhu wrote:
Lets face it. You will all buy the termie tubbies if the rules are solid and they work really well. Tactics will usually win out over aesthetics. I myself think they are a bit overly bulky but they don't look horrible. It was a chance to make something fantastic looking but they missed.

Just look a Chaos Fiends and Corndogs...widely used...and butt ugly.

I hate captains with swords. They just don't hit hard enough and a captain with a weapon that can't kill a larger creature is pointless.

Not that I actually run a captain very often.

 Dentry wrote:
Did anyone else immediately make the following connection?

Yeah, I thought it was actually a conversion at first.

Terrible pose, I remember way back in the day (maybe during the launch of 3rd edition?) when they made a big to-do over moving away from 'guy posing for picture' miniatures to actual fighting poses, guess that's been forgotten

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was actually a conversion at first.

The question then becomes: Are AoBR captains going to increase in value from this since the conversion potential is plainly obvious?

Doubtful, unless Sicarus's rules become insanely good.

I'm certain that pose goes back to the 90's, rather than just the AOBR captain

 Dentry wrote:
Did anyone else immediately make the following connection?

Yes, and actually the cloak is very close to the Dark Vengeance CSM Lord's cloak. Flowy cloaks and fluttering scrolls are the current trend, due to the move to plastic single models.

I do like the ICs, I think they show a decent amount of character and that's always fun. Dunno if it's ment to be a tribute or to replace finecasts with plastic, because the captain is close to Sicarius, the Libby reminds me of the SW Rune Priest, and the chaplain looks somewhat familiar as well..

Any chance that the Centurians aren't real and GW is just playing a prank on us?

If these and the new Hobbit models are an indication of where GW is headed, I don't think I want to tag along anymore.

 warboss wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

I think it looks better without the side toes but that only improves the look of the lower extremities. These models fall into the space guppy category of "I need to change too many things to make the model look acceptable". I did it with the Storm Raven and turned mine into a mini-Thunderhawk but these models (and the guppy) require too much to get just a little visual appeal.

Terrible by marine standards, lodsa options for da orks though!

 Grey Templar wrote:
Doubtful, unless Sicarus's rules become insanely good.

I thought I had been told that it wasn't Sicarius (because I had already asked if that model was a new Sicarius model)

just thought of something: Will the Vanguard box replace the assault marine box? With Vanguard and tactical now at $40 will ASM and DC remain $35?

Well its probably a better value. You get the same number of bodies and more weapon options.

Rumored limited edition BT and Second Founding cover. Looks pretty good, depending on how the other covers turn out.

Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

AmCjkh wrote:
Rumored limited edition BT and Second Founding cover. Looks pretty good, depending on how the other covers turn out.

Spoiler:

Very pretty, not £55 pretty, but nice nonetheless.

If I'm faced with a similarly nice Raven Guard cover, I may waver, but I suspect that price tag will do the job of reinforcing my willpower just nicely.

That BT artwork is cool. I'm really disappointed that BT are being rolled into the SM codex.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
That BT artwork is cool. I'm really disappointed that BT are being rolled into the SM codex.

Yes, getting up to date rules and access to all SM units is indeed horrible.

It really will be better. You have all the existing marine units plus your special rules, and maybe a few unique units. BTs weren't different enough to warrant a separate codex.

The only bad part is you have to effectively buy 2 codices.

The Centurions are probably the ugliest and most convincingly 'toy' like models I think I've seen from GW for 40k, even more so than the Lord of Skulls and the mini storm raven thingy.

Tank variants looks nice though, as do the vanguard blokes.

Those bearded heads will look great on some BT I think.If templars come with the main dex,

I expect them to figure in White Dwarf, as they would still be pretty high profile.


But GWs "leak marketing conspiracy" probably hold of the pics for suspence



How silly Blood Angels vill feel when the new vanilla vanguard veteran rules take place.

Or if they make assault marines better for vanilla (as they need to be fixed, from what I have heard) .

Angry Ron wrote:
Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
That BT artwork is cool. I'm really disappointed that BT are being rolled into the SM codex.

Don't be disappointed yet - all appearances so far are that their unique rules and squads are intact.

Maybe!

Indeed!

Nice Templars cover, if the interior artwork is of that standard i may be tempted to buy the regular codex.

Late comer to the party here.

The new tank, dam cool, those terminator things? Sorry, no, just no :(
Im kinda agog being honest.
GWs recent releases overall have been very good sculpt-wise imho but those guys?

warboss wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?



I think it looks better without the side toes but that only improves the look of the lower extremities. These models fall into the space guppy category of "I need to change too many things to make the model look acceptable". I did it with the Storm Raven and turned mine into a mini-Thunderhawk but these models (and the guppy) require too much to get just a little visual appeal.



Terrible by marine standards, lodsa options for da orks though!

Very nice LS, much better than the originals

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

It is a tough sell for me, that's for sure.

Should open up some awesome 'counts as' opportunities for enterprising 3rd party bits/model makers though.

I'm looking forward to what they come up with!

Honestly, I don't intend on buying them, I'm just having a bit of fun thinking of ways they could be improved.

If I didn't get back into the painting & modelling aspect alone (I have time to paint or play, not both) that Black Templar cover would be on my list of things to buy.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

You're absolutely right. I am a conversion MANIAC - very few models escape the conversion knife in my armies (even basic troopers), but I'm not about to spend nearly the cost of a full Dreadnaught each for these fugly guys, and THEN spend a ton of time cutting them all to bits to try to make them look passable. Especially since, though I really like GW's plastic kits in general, I find them a little TOO multi-part... alot of work already goes into clipping, shaving/filing, glueing, etc. for figs that look great with no conversion work.

I saw find a better-looking more reasonably priced alternative. Or, hell, just put 3 Dreadnaughts on the Centurions' bases if you've got that much spare cash.

-C6

DRC wrote:
New space marines? Not to be the killjoy but doesnt this happen every edition?

You must not have been into Warhammer very long, Space Marines are arguably the most popular and most widely used army in 40k. Hence why almost half the armies in 40k are some form of Space Marine. Learn it, live it, love it.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

It is a tough sell for me, that's for sure.

Should open up some awesome 'counts as' opportunities for enterprising 3rd party bits/model makers though.

I'm looking forward to what they come up with!

Agree with Alpharius on this too - though I generally find 3rd-party stuff of lower design quality than GW, you'd have to be seriously incompetent to not be able to beat these designs...

 Taarnak wrote:
I'm kinda baffled by the people saying that they like the shooty Centurions better than the grindy ones. It's the same thing with a gun in place of the drill:

For me, that's because the biggest issue I have with the grindy ones is the drill. It's a thoroughly implausible close combat weapon, and looks far too unweildy underslung on the arms like that. But the same positioning looks more effective with the shooty version.


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 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

Worse. Makes the legs look fatter.

 catharsix wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

You're absolutely right. I am a conversion MANIAC - very few models escape the conversion knife in my armies (even basic troopers), but I'm not about to spend nearly the cost of a full Dreadnaught each for these fugly guys, and THEN spend a ton of time cutting them all to bits to try to make them look passable. Especially since, though I really like GW's plastic kits in general, I find them a little TOO multi-part... alot of work already goes into clipping, shaving/filing, glueing, etc. for figs that look great with no conversion work.

I saw find a better-looking more reasonably priced alternative. Or, hell, just put 3 Dreadnaughts on the Centurions' bases if you've got that much spare cash.

-C6

I'm thinking Dust Tactics KV-47s

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

See, some people just like converting. I have converted every single model I own. I have an imperial guard army with around about 315 bodies and a Skaven army with around about 250 or so. I have converted each and every individual mook just because I like things to be personalized, unique, something I came up with. I dunno, that's just me. I've always been much more interested in the hobby.

Plus, I like a challenge

Any chance someone could update the first post to include all the new models? My connection isn't the best at work and I don't know which pages of the discussion have which images.


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 Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

Without the dreadnought toes, they look much better. However, that is an easy fix, trying to put those chest launchers on the shoulders is pretty much impossible for the average modeler.

 Crimson wrote:

I like the CC ones marginally better only because the big drills look sort of bad-ass.

Wonder how GW will make them harder to kill than normal terminators guessing they will just up the wound count, maybe 3 each?

Wonder how GW will make them harder to kill than normal terminators guessing they will just up the wound count, maybe 3 each?

T5?
Better ++ save (3/4 up?)
Eternal warrior?
T6 1W?

Lots of options open there.

Going for T6 1W imo, similar to Wraithguard. 2+/5++ stays the same.

I'm I the only one who thinks the drills like like giant electric razors?

Angry Ron wrote:

That looks an almost implausible amount of work, you're completely hacking up the body and thinning the legs, removing the shoulders and then all the resculpting that goes along with it. Why spend the sort of money GW will charge only to totally rebuild the figure? You'd be better off buying any similar miniature and converting that, or making something from scratch. I don't get people paying so much for figures they know they'll have to completely cannibalise to 'fix' them. No wonder GW make money.

See, some people just like converting. I have converted every single model I own. I have an imperial guard army with around about 315 bodies and a Skaven army with around about 250 or so. I have converted each and every individual mook just because I like things to be personalized, unique, something I came up with. I dunno, that's just me. I've always been much more interested in the hobby.

Plus, I like a challenge

I'm very much the same, I'm up to around 90 marines almost all of whom are converted in some way.However, I'm not going to pick up something if I feel it needs fixing unless doing so would require minimal time and effort. Converting's fun, fixing isn't.

 Ratius wrote:

Wonder how GW will make them harder to kill than normal terminators guessing they will just up the wound count, maybe 3 each?

T5?
Better ++ save (3/4 up?)
Eternal warrior?
T6 1W?

Lots of options open there.

Going for T6 1W imo, similar to Wraithguard. 2+/5++ stays the same.

I'm guessing T5, 3 wounds, 2+ armor, 4+ invuln(iron halo), can fire 2 ranged weapons, and relentless.

Something like 65-70 pts each.

Recent codicies have played on str7 heavily however. t5 dosent mitigate that. T6 does somewhat.
GW trends can be predictable.
In addition Wraithguard are the new classic t6, 1W, 3+ save unit, I can see them modelled on that imho, with a ++.

I'd definitely go t5 w2...boadsides dont even get 3 wounds...

2+/5+ because it looks like a small dreadknight...who also didnt get an increased save for his size...just toughness and wounds.

Slow and Purposeful, Split Fire, Relentless, T5 2W has my money on it

 Alpharius wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
That BT artwork is cool. I'm really disappointed that BT are being rolled into the SM codex.

Don't be disappointed yet - all appearances so far are that their unique rules and squads are intact.

Maybe!

If it does turn out like this which it seems it is, I cant wait, keeping our uniqueness with rules etc plus hopefully getting the goodies of the rest of the armoury.

God that Templar cover is neat, feel annoyed I wont be buying it, would be impressive to have.

Angry Ron wrote:
Okay, another attempt at fixing the centurions

That looks terrible to me. Why not just use Terminator bodies and put big guns on them? It also doesn't make sense to put giant weapons on both the arms and the shoulders. Both would rely on the same stabilizer systems, making it highly unlikely that the suit would do anything but fall over after a few salvos.

At least with the torso set up, they would fire and recoil independently of each other. Furthermore, I don't want my models to look like copies of Tau or Battletech with the overused (and more illogical even than these) weapons on arms + weapons on shoulders. It's unoriginal. This is different (in a good way).

I like the current models. They shouldn't have too much movement in the pose, because they are supposed to be heavy, giant, but slightly mobile weapons platforms. I also know what they look like in 3-D, which helps.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

Wonder how GW will make them harder to kill than normal terminators guessing they will just up the wound count, maybe 3 each?

T5?
Better ++ save (3/4 up?)
Eternal warrior?
T6 1W?

Lots of options open there.

Going for T6 1W imo, similar to Wraithguard. 2+/5++ stays the same.

I'm guessing T5, 3 wounds, 2+ armor, 4+ invuln(iron halo), can fire 2 ranged weapons, and relentless.

Something like 65-70 pts each.

So essentially an Obliterator that has an additional wound, a better invulnerable save, and fires more guns every turn while costing 10 point less.

 Oaka wrote:
A... trying to put those chest launchers on the shoulders is pretty much impossible for the average modeler.

That sort of depends on how they attach to the model. It actually looks like it could potentially be a really easy conversion.

Without the vast weapon choices the Oblits have. But yeah, pretty par for the course with GW. Cause GW hates chaos

Just read on natfka confirming templars get access to rest of sm and there are 30 successor chapters in the codex and each chapter seems to have there own traits like salamanders being flamer gods which is sweet.

Templars also get their own fluff section etc. This is really awesome. Will be fun to be able to mix chapters with their unique traits. I wonder if its just the first founding and Templars who get unquie rules or if its all of the chapters in the book, definately pre ordering the codex. Cant wait.

 Davylove21 wrote:
Slow and Purposeful, Split Fire, Relentless, T5 2W has my money on it

Why would they do that when they can make them really OP like that eldar MC? T8 S10 I5 Jump infantry MC...

But seriously, they would have to have better durability then termies otherwise whats the point? Toughness of 5-6, Strength might be a 5, maybe 2-3 wounds, definately 2+ and 4-5++. Probably all of the special rules that termies have, too. Not trying to be rediculous but they'd have to be better than termines... Maybe, though this is probably a no, they might be MCs. There are smaller MCs out there. The Necron Spyder is a small model. I also think it would be cool if they counted the Dreadnought as a MC instead of a walker but I won't hold my breath for that. They did make the riptide and wraithknight into MCs and they are pretty much the same thing as dreadnoughts. But the fact that the DA and CSM drewads weren't MCs kills that dream.

Angry Ron wrote:
I'm I the only one who thinks the drills like like giant electric razors?

Probably, yes.

What they look like is a tricone drill...

What they don't look like is any sort of close combat weapon...

Angry Ron wrote:
I'm I the only one who thinks the drills like like giant electric razors?

I just laugh at the thought of running around with wood chippers strapped to my arms.
If that doesn't inspire fear, I don't know what would.

Angry Ron wrote:
I'm I the only one who thinks the drills like like giant electric razors?

Breaking News:
Any force containing assault centurions can't ally with SW.

 insaniak wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
I'm I the only one who thinks the drills like like giant electric razors?

Probably, yes.

What they look like is a tricone drill...

What they don't look like is any sort of close combat weapon...

So the seismic fist from the Ironclad?

 Alfndrate wrote:
So the seismic fist from the Ironclad?

Is just as silly. More so, given that it's actually called a Seismic 'Hammer'

 insaniak wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
So the seismic fist from the Ironclad?

Is just as silly. More so, given that it's actually called a Seismic 'Hammer'

At least the ironclad one looks cool, as pointed by many, these look like electric shavers...

 insaniak wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
So the seismic fist from the Ironclad?

Is just as silly. More so, given that it's actually called a Seismic 'Hammer'

Shows how often I field those things Though looking at the Ironclad's hand, it does look more like a grimderp pneumatic hammer

I do think these things are quite dumb... if you're going to give me drills, just go whole hog just give me this:

The Centurions will most likely be on 50mm bases. An excuse for GW to reuse them!

UltraPrime wrote:
An excuse for GW to reuse them!

Sorry... but, what?

 insaniak wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:
An excuse for GW to reuse them!

Sorry... but, what?

Mounted Azog comes on a 50mm base.

UltraPrime wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:
An excuse for GW to reuse them!

Sorry... but, what?

Mounted Azog comes on a 50mm base.

Gah! You're right. 50mm base. Called it!

ClockworkZion wrote:

Bull0 wrote:
Don't really get all the people talking about them being 'loyalist obliterators'. They're way too big. Doesn't make sense.

The idea came out of the description of a Marine with multiple weapons in large bulky armor and the internet can never let a joke die, even if it doesn't fit completely (as the Centurians only share Lascannons with the Oblits. For those who don't know, Oblits only use energy weapons because they alter their body to fire them. When they spit plasma cannons shots at you THEIR BLOOD IS BURNING HOT PLASMA, the new suits obviously don't do the same thing).

Appears the Internet can never let an attempt at pedantry pass them by either...

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:


The pic works fine. The op was correct neither scale looks right maybe they really are on mew 50mm bases maybe it GW way of slowing the proxies down a bit.

Lipped 50mm bases have been available for over a decade. Won't stop any 3rd parties at all. Besides, it's not really that hard to make a resin cast of a 50mm base.

UltraPrime wrote:
Mounted Azog comes on a 50mm base.

Fair enough. Guess nobody else was following the Hobbit releases closely enough to notice...

Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

What if, the CC Centurion is a hard counter to fortifications. Wat else would you do with a breaching drill besides go for oil?

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

T5 with a 4+ invuln wouldn't be bad. And how many people take Demolishers?

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

And yet Mark of Nurgle Obliterators are taken all the time.

i take demolishers...

Demolishers not so much, but the Medusa is the same blast for cheaper and longer range.

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

This can't be serious, right?

...Right?

Is the Medusa AP2?

Gonna bet 50 internet dollars on t6, 1w, 2+/4++.
Dealer....hit me.....

Well really it's all hypothetical. They could be objective markers for all we know.

Only 1 wound would surprise me. They better not be more than 55 points with that.

Someone mentioned Deep strike for the Centurions, right?

They assault ones are probably going to be using some kind of rules similar to the Trygon, I'm guessing.

Or maybe a less complex version of the Hades.

I'm guessing that's how they'll spin it, sometimes marines just need to undermine fortifications and a chain fist just isn't good enough.

They could in theory, go on to explain, that armies like the Blood Angels don't use them, because they prefer going in from above. While Dark Angels teleport and Space Wolves just simply do the direct approach.

The medusa is AP 1 IIRC.

But again, how often do they show up competitively?

What is the point of the assault drills. The underslung melta gun would burn through any vehicle armour or fortification quicker than any drill would do, and they are far to unwieldy to use in close combat, unless you use them as a club that is! haha

I run them quite often. They make enemies go away and when set up right are very hard to kill.

I wonder if you could put the missile launchers on their backs to improve the chest proportions... the rockets could easily have directional systems to fire up then go towards the target.

And I've recently got into 40k and have 325 points spare in my 1850 point IG army (currently plugged with extra Guard I painted for larger games)... purposely saved for the new Marines... woop woop! Hope I can make a Centurian the Marine HQ.

Poncho160 wrote:
What is the point of the assault drills. The underslung melta gun would burn through any vehicle armour or fortification quicker than any drill would do, and they are far to unwieldy to use in close combat, unless you use them as a club that is! haha

Some marines just wanna drill their enemies instead of shoot them.

I'm guessing 2W 5T 2+/5++ maybe 3W or 4++.

4++ would probably be better for the CC ones but it is really anyones guess.

You know the level of conversion required will really be determined by the kit itself. The chest weapon may not even come attached to the chest on the sprew.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Poncho160 wrote:
What is the point of the assault drills. The underslung melta gun would burn through any vehicle armour or fortification quicker than any drill would do, and they are far to unwieldy to use in close combat, unless you use them as a club that is! haha

Some marines just wanna drill their enemies instead of shoot them.

Space Marines have their man parts removed, but some them still want to get busy. So Captain Freud of the Id Chapter takes all the marines that fail victim to the Lust Rage and organize them into "drilling" units so that they can get that out of their system.

Serious note:

Probably either some "drill from below" deep strike rule or a counter to all the fortifications they sold to everybody.

Exactly what I said, hard counter to fortifications. It matches there MO, create something everyone has to take, then sell something to destroy it utterly.

I suppose it is just a case of saving the melta ammo but thinking about it I just dont really see the point in the drills apart from digging, just give a guardsman a spade, dont waste funds on mega drills.

Exactly what I said, hard counter to fortifications. It matches there MO, create something everyone has to take, then sell something to destroy it utterly.

Excellent point.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I suppose it is just a case of saving the melta ammo but thinking about it I just dont really see the point in the drills apart from digging, just give a guardsman a spade, dont waste funds on mega drills.

In the grim darkness of the far future money is no object. This is the games workshop motto.

Although what would be really nice is if the new commanders come with that bike option... That might be worth $30.

 insaniak wrote:
For me, that's because the biggest issue I have with the grindy ones is the drill. It's a thoroughly implausible close combat weapon, and looks far too unweildy underslung on the arms like that. But the same positioning looks more effective with the shooty version.

Exactly. The drills are entirely too bulky and front heavy. It doesn't help that in the pictures we've seen so far, the drill housings are painted the same color as the bodies of the Centurions. That makes both of those problems even worse.

Then there are the weapons just kind of glued on to the sides of the drills. They don't help either.

Grey Templar wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

T5 with a 4+ invuln wouldn't be bad. And how many people take Demolishers?

Demolishers are pretty common, they are the one of the best LR variants out there, much better than the MBT anyway, and pretty cheap for a str 10 AP2 pie plate.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

And yet Mark of Nurgle Obliterators are taken all the time.

Doesn't mark of nurgle make them T6 and give them some other hardy rule? Or am I missing something? And yet, I have never once seen oblits in a competition chaos list, lots of heldrakes these days though.

whigwam wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

This can't be serious, right?

...Right?

Quite. Do you think Str 10 ap2 large blast on AV14 is a joke? I certainly don't, and neither do most people I fight against.

Mark of Nurgle also gives them FNP. It's probably their best mark.

So what I'm hearing is you want these to be T6 with W2

Or eternal warrior. That doesn't get used nearly enough.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Mark of Nurgle also gives them FNP. It's probably their best mark.

It most certainly doesn't.

Termies with EW and 2W?
Possible?
Not a bad idea imho.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Mark of Nurgle also gives them FNP. It's probably their best mark.

Pfft I wish, just T5.

I'm thinking the centurions will be classified as MC, T4, 3W. MC because GW is lazy and need to give them a way to fire multiple weapons (if not then the weapons will be twin-linked and no MC status) T4 because GW has set the bar on marines being T4 since practiclly forever. 3W will be the suit buff.

I'm guessing 2+ 5++ for saves.

I don't think Centurions should get Eternal Warrior. I think it's good that EW is rare.

A unit of what will probably be three MCs loaded with firepower, most likely a 2+ save, an invulnerable and multiple wounds, possibly able to deep strike, that have all got EW just sounds like too much. And of course the usual Marine rules like ATSKNF and Tactics. That's why I wouldn't be averse to giving them T5, there should be some things they can't shrug off.

 prowla wrote:
The Angry Super Mega Marine, now available in Angry Super Regular Marine sizes!

Reduced height by removing the belt, moved arms and feet closer to each other and shortened the hands.

That definitely looks MUCH better.

I believe I have been hoodwinked then. The guy here who mostly plays chaos has them with FNP.

I'm thinking the centurions will be classified as MC, need to give them a way to fire multiple weapons

Relentless? No need for MC rules then? Smash, Hammer etc?

Why not make them MC though? Everyone else is getting a new MC despite the fact that the Riptide really should have been a walker.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
I believe I have been hoodwinked then. The guy here who mostly plays chaos has them with FNP.

If he uses plague marines, they come with FnP

The more I look at the Centurions, the less bad they seem.
I'll only pick them up if their rules are good though... Maybe (dependin on price)

Actually excited about the AA rhinos, good to see the Hunter in 40k!

 Mr.Omega wrote:
I kind of like the shooty Termietubbies - but the first thing I'm doing if I get them is replacing those god awful helmets and heads and removing that absolutely idiotic leg plate. If I was a rich man I'd proxy Contemptor Dreadnoughts as them instead, but gah.

Its no worry though, I bet all the money in the world that Centurions of both kinds will suck.

That was exactly my thought. Anyone have any real idea the size difference between these travesties and the ultr-cool Contemptor? I think I call mine, 'Contempturions'.

The AA tanks are certainly a positive thing. I don’t think they really need two though; especially sense they have multiple flyers now. Although I am a little irked that every chapter has access to Stormravens despite the fact they are supposedly only found in BA and GK chapters.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Although I am a little irked that every chapter has access to Stormravens despite the fact they are supposedly only found in BA and GK chapters.

Neither BA nor GK codex makes that claim.

I don't see how centurions couldn't be pretty much space marine canoptek spyders. I mean T6, S6, 3W and a MC for 50ish points probably isn't over the top.

Honestly Eternal Warrior would be good. T5, 2 wounds, Eternal Warrior, S5, 2 attacks, etc etc. Seems like thats what would fit. I doubt that will end up being the case though.

I'm more annoyed about Forge World blowing me off when I asked them about making the Storm Eagle available to the Blood Angels after Death from the Skies was released.

Is there any word on a price? I assume they will be gouging the price on this one. $75 for the standard. $200 for the limited. It will be at least $10 more than the usual book and have a few extra pages to justify it. Tell me I'm wrong.

 insaniak wrote:

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Although I am a little irked that every chapter has access to Stormravens despite the fact they are supposedly only found in BA and GK chapters.

Neither BA nor GK codex makes that claim.

I always saw it as a load of crap that made no sense. I bought a storm raven anyway, painted it in my marine colours then never used it. Not even DFTS gave me reason to take it out because ATM C:SM is so mediocre.

So I guess it's time for me to make my Blood Raven Army.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't see how centurions couldn't be pretty much space marine canoptek spyders. I mean T6, S6, 3W and a MC .

... And pooping out Scouts...?

Except that they are/were the only chapters to have them.

Here a short summary of pics and prices. Maybe a mod can add this to the first post and add "Pics in first post" to the title:

faeit212 wrote:Space Marine Codex
176 pages!!!!! $58
by Robin Cruddace
Cover pic is a close up Ultra Marine pointing forward into battle

War Zone: Damnos
by Phil Kelly
68pages $33

Space Marine Reclusiam Command Squad
$90
Includes Razorback 5 man command squad and a space marine chaplin

Space Marine Tactical Squad
10 models $40

Space Marine Sternguard
5 models $50

(...)

Limited Edition Space Marine Codex (online only) $115
500 copies only for each book (numbered endpaper)

1. Iron Hands
2. Imperial Fists
3. Ultramarines
4. Ravenguard
5. Salanders
6. White Scars
7. Second Founding Edition
Black Templar cover (with many chapter symbols vertically along right border)
Crimson Fists Dust Jacket

Chaplain, Captain (30$, plastic blister) and Librarian (30$, plastic blister):

Librarian:

Captain:


Centurions (3 for 78$):
Built as Assault Squad:

Built as Devastator Squad:


Space Marine Vanguard Veteran Squad (40$):




Space Marine Sternguard (5 for 50$)




Space Marine Stalker/Hunter ($65)
Stalker version:

Hunter version:

 warboss wrote:
Instead of power armor marines wearing power armor, they should have resculpted the whole line to truescale instead and made the marines look like the 8ft tall power armor steroid freaks they are.

But they aren't.

Marines are around 7', and cap out at around 7'6. The 'typical Marine' on the wallchart was 7' in armour. The current marines are true scale. The wacky ones are the Imperial Guardsmen, who were sculpted far too big when the Cadians came out back in 3rd edition. I don't know how big a Tau is meant to be, maybe they're off as well.

Eldar and Orks have similar heights to Marines.

 insaniak wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't see how centurions couldn't be pretty much space marine canoptek spyders. I mean T6, S6, 3W and a MC .

... And pooping out Scouts...?

Cherub Swarms...?

 insaniak wrote:

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Although I am a little irked that every chapter has access to Stormravens despite the fact they are supposedly only found in BA and GK chapters.

Neither BA nor GK codex makes that claim.

Actually the way they're mentioned in both is as specialities in the chapter.

The biggest reason people cry out about everyone getting stormravens is because at games day 1-2 years back several writers specifically said that the ravens were staying in those two chapters alone and everyone else was getting a different vehicle.

Oh wait GW lied to us? I may just die from the shock.

Well they did say at the last? Games day that Black Templar wont be rolled into the SM codex

but o wait look above

I can barely see it justified for GK because logically they have access to every peice of wargear. (Except our lucifer pattern engines) Although arguable the GK should never have been anything more then allies anyway.

Can we get thr OP updated? Its not that I dont like having to shift through pages and pages of chatter for images, but...

Space Marine Codex
176 pages!!!!! $58
by Robin Cruddace
Cover pic is a close up Ultra Marine pointing forward into battle

War Zone: Damnos
by Phil Kelly
68pages $33

Sorry Krooty, what is Damnos?

 carabine wrote:
Actually the way they're mentioned in both is as specialities in the chapter.

Except they're not.

GK simply mentions that they've had them a long time. BA mentions that they have a lot of them. No mention of nobody else using them, or of them being specifically associated with those two Chapters.

The biggest reason people cry out about everyone getting stormravens is because at games day 1-2 years back several writers specifically said that the ravens were staying in those two chapters alone and everyone else was getting a different vehicle.

This, I think, is where the misunderstanding started. There was never any fluff stating that the 'Raven was only for those two, just that the Devs had said that other Chapters would get other flyers instead. Obviously that plan changed somewhere along the line. My guess would be that either there was another flying transport planned but the budget ran out, or the Storm Talon didn't sell as well as planned.

I doubt it was an outright lie... just a change of direction. Which should be similarly unshocking to anyone who has been in this game for any length of time.

BTW what are these? Sternguard or new Tactical?

 Ratius wrote:
Sorry Krooty, what is Damnos?

A Warzone supplement. Warzones were first released within Apocalypse book.
This one features Ultramarines vs. Necrons, as in the "Fall of Damnos" BL novel.

 Ratius wrote:
battle



Sorry Krooty, what is Damnos?

The cereal of the damned!

First is the Librarian
Second duno
3rd is the new chaptain
last one seems to be the stern guard.

Edit: @kroothawk

Yay, I have my budget for the new models!

Zero dollars. Zero. That's what GW will get from me for this crud. GW - you are back to be a publisher. I will grudgingly buy SOME of your overpriced, poor quality books. I will no longer buy every codex that comes out - but only those that are for armies I have and currently am interested in playing. That's it.

Your new units? I will convert them if I want them, ignore them if I don't, and proxy them if I can't.

 Ratius wrote:
Sorry Krooty, what is Damnos?

The thing on your Damface?

 Desubot wrote:
Well they did say at the last? Games day that Black Templar wont be rolled into the SM codex

but o wait look above

It was obvious from the layout of the 6th ed rulebook that Templars were getting rolled into the main SM codex.