Dominus/Armiger knights will be overkill against the Titans, unless they get a rule change, and 1 banner limit like the Porphyrion knight.
On the other hands, Mechanicum Questoris knights will be a completele waste of time unit to make kit in this game, unless they also got a rule change, like the Inferno cannon.
JWBS wrote: Seems strange that they've decided there's no future to this game given that the Warlord was their best selling miniature in 2018. Oh well.
"There will be new Adeptus Titanicus stuff coming out soon - check the community website in a couple of weeks. "
Uuhh say what?
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Chopstick wrote: Dominus/Armiger knights will be overkill against the Titans, unless they get a rule change, and 1 banner limit like the Porphyrion knight.
What you mean by overkill? To be overkill would indicate they destroy them with ridiculous ease when dominus would be between questor and poryphorion and armiger would be weaker than questor.
ImAGeek wrote: This was posted by Vogon on Bolter and Chainsword who was at the open day yesterday and spoke to people there:
There will be new Adeptus Titanicus stuff coming out soon - check the community website in a couple of weeks.
They will be going Warhound size Ursus Claws. Now they have all the core weapons they will be able to make the more esoteric stuff. While chatting they dropped serious hints about a book covering the shadow crusade in Ultramar and the legions involved.
Bring on the weird weapons and titans! Please don't just be FW stuff though, I can't justify $40 for two guns, fortunately I have an extensive bits box to make most of their current stuff myself.
Unfortunately, seeing as some of the ‘normal’ weapons are Forge World already, I’d assume the weirder stuff will be Forge World.
ImAGeek wrote: This was posted by Vogon on Bolter and Chainsword who was at the open day yesterday and spoke to people there:
There will be new Adeptus Titanicus stuff coming out soon - check the community website in a couple of weeks.
They will be going Warhound size Ursus Claws. Now they have all the core weapons they will be able to make the more esoteric stuff. While chatting they dropped serious hints about a book covering the shadow crusade in Ultramar and the legions involved.
tneva82 wrote: Sounds also they are now also speaking of infantry and vehicles as something they would like to expand one day. My wallet is crying already.
"Adeptus Titanicus There will be new Adeptus Titanicus stuff coming out soon – check the community website in a couple of weeks. They will be going Warhound size Ursus Claws. Now they have all the core weapons they will be able to make the more esoteric stuff. While chatting they dropped serious hints about a book covering the shadow crusade in Ultramar and the legions involved. On the subject of AI and AT there are certainly plans afoot to expand on them in the seminar they mentioned there are 10,000 years of history to explore and the war of the beast and gargants could be one place to explore. They also said they would like to add tanks and ground troops (basically bringing back Epic) but this was a long way off. If they did it would likely be in the Heresy Era because that it the domain of specialist games and they can do what they like with it without having to defer to the main studios.
We always knew that if AT did really well they'd eventually add tanks and infantry back into the game. They've just always said either "no" or "a very lon gway off" because it really is likely a good 5 or more years before we'll see them.
I still really hope that they advance things forward enough to add more xenos.
With the current pacing, it'd probably take a decade for an epic game with imperial, chaos and a few xenos unit. I always wanted to see a Wraithknight land on top of a warlord and pry it open like a can, or cook the whole crew, so much possibility.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I still expect Epic to be a separate rules set, albeit one where we can field our Titans.
Oh there's no doubt it would have to be its own rules set. AT might get away adding one or two mega tanks like Baneblades and such; but otherwise a full epic return would need a totally different rules system.
Chopstick wrote: With the current pacing, it'd probably take a decade for an epic game with imperial, chaos and a few xenos unit. I always wanted to see a Wraithknight land on top of a warlord and pry it open like a can, or cook the whole crew, so much possibility.
Yeah I'd have to say 10 years is a good guess at this point. Given the upcoming expansion of the specialist studios and the great sales though we could see the first stuff in maybe 5 or 6 years once all the titans, knights, and Chaosy bits have made their appearence. I am happy just buying proxy models from places like Vanguard until that time comes though!
I believe they said they have six(?) Titan chassis in development. So yeah...Epic is probably far away. Look at how long it took for them to release all the additional weapons for the three Titans we got in 2018.
If we do get six more Titan types I hope the maniple rules get a rework. With nine chassis in the mix the amount of combinations(and duplication) would be ridiculous.
A second "titanicus-scale" game I had expected last year...but going forward I'm not so sure what will come next...
I will make a wild guess on a game I sadly did not have the pleasure of back in the day, and others will need to chime in on this one. I have a strong feeling AT will stay as it is in the Horus Heresy with loyalists and traitors, but another game - Titan Legions? - will deal with xenos titans'n'knights and tanks, and the setting will be in modern 40K. If both AT and AI are succssful then I predict such a game could appear within two years.
While AT is a success, getting started is still frustrating. An abridged version of AT, using Knights is painfully obvious and could act as either an introduction or a companion/booster to the full game itself.
Alternatively, a reworked(scale wise) Imperial Knights:Renegade is glaringly obvious too, and two sets of Qs and they are done. Nice simple game.
I went and read the source material, and the BOLS article is taking great liberties with what was reported. Nowhere is there mention of bringing back Epic.
They mention expanding the AT and AI lines, and then branch of on the HH as a separate topic. BOLS seems to have conflated the two.
And we know the next two books are purportedly Seige of Kado (Hive world of Kado) and Battle of Calth and Shadow Crusades (Ultramar). No idea which one first though.
schoon wrote: I went and read the source material, and the BOLS article is taking great liberties with what was reported. Nowhere is there mention of bringing back Epic.
They mention expanding the AT and AI lines, and then branch of on the HH as a separate topic. BOLS seems to have conflated the two.
And we know the next two books are purportedly Seige of Kado (Hive world of Kado) and Battle of Calth and Shadow Crusades (Ultramar). No idea which one first though.
The source I'm looking at mentions them wanting to add tanks and infantry to Titanicus and/or Aeronautica, but that this was 'a long way off'. It refers to the 'Heresy Era', rather than the Heresy game.
gorgon wrote: I believe they said they have six(?) Titan chassis in development. So yeah...Epic is probably far away. Look at how long it took for them to release all the additional weapons for the three Titans we got in 2018.
Then again it's going to be around 2020 fall it's 2 years since AT was launched. Presuming they weren't commiting to new plastic before they see sales it's starting to be around summer when we could be seeing first plastic that was decided to be done after game launch. Or more realistically september-october. That's when any new plastic that got greenlighted after launch would be likely coming.
GoatboyBeta wrote: If we do get six more Titan types I hope the maniple rules get a rework. With nine chassis in the mix the amount of combinations(and duplication) would be ridiculous.
Wouldn't that be trivially easy? Just change maniples to [light], [medium], and [heavy] slots, done. Some might be locked to particular type of titan (like Gryphonicus heavy use of Reavers) but besides that, it would require literally five minutes of work to make an errata...
Chopstick wrote: I'm down for Epic-scale Assassin (vindicare, eversor and the like). Epic scale marine, not so much...
At least a vindicare had enough punch to put a dent on a Titan, the current "titan hunting squad" stratagem in the game is really meh.
It's realistic though. A few S5 attacks from the stratagem is equivalent to a squad carrying a bunch of lascannons, which is the most you could expect of a "titan-hunting" WH40k infantry squad.
If you compare back to Epic Armageddon, a Warlord in a firefight is roughly equivalent to 8 Devastator stands. Compare those with an AT18 Warlord model and it would be silly, all 40 marines could fit into the barrel of its gun...
Much as I love Epic, I can understand them not setting out to do this from the start, because "realistic" infantry/vehicles would be so ineffective against "realistic" titans there would be no balanced way of having them in the same game.
Something like a Vindicaire could be a stratagem (say a 2+ "Moderatus Wounded" or "Princeps Wounded" crit that ignores void shields due to grimdark magic sniper bullets) but really, how is he hurting it? It's not like the crew or its seating positions are exposed, and all the squishy bits of the titan are hidden away inside.
Something like a Vindicaire could be a stratagem (say a 2+ "Moderatus Wounded" or "Princeps Wounded" crit that ignores void shields due to grimdark magic sniper bullets) but really, how is he hurting it? It's not like the crew or its seating positions are exposed, and all the squishy bits of the titan are hidden away inside.
Vindicare assassin is not a strictly anti infantry unit, they have the tool for every target, Turbo Penetrator round was made specifically for Vehicle with thick armor. The Exitus weapons and ammo is amongs the finest weapons the Imperium had ever produced.
And I only mention the Eversor because he's carry a Melta bomb, which he could fill role as some kind of suicide bomber with a more potent device, like a vortex weapon.
GoatboyBeta wrote: If we do get six more Titan types I hope the maniple rules get a rework. With nine chassis in the mix the amount of combinations(and duplication) would be ridiculous.
Wouldn't that be trivially easy? Just change maniples to [light], [medium], and [heavy] slots, done. Some might be locked to particular type of titan (like Gryphonicus heavy use of Reavers) but besides that, it would require literally five minutes of work to make an errata...
Oh sure. Something like scale 5-6 Titans in the former Warhound slots, scale 7-8 in the Reaver slots, 9-10 in the Warlord slots. Certain maniple text may need reworked to be less specific.
They're Knights from Hell, but thats not important right now.
Basically they were traitor Knights that were once very naughty by sneaking up on an Imperator and yelling "HA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!". The poor sod was never the same again. They look a bit like a Monty Python cartoon toad running around with a cannon on top of its head.
Cor blimey, for me thats going back to the early 90s and sadly never had the pleasure to field them in Space Marine 2nd edition. I think they were mentioned in the rule book but for the life of me can't remember much of the rules - let alone particular units.
Mr.Giggles wrote: Thanks SamusDrake. I found the old epic models for them. Do you remember if they had any interesting rules, that were different to normal knights?
In Space Marine/Titan Legions they were at -1 "to hit" due to the 'Glamour of Slaanesh" and they could make a free reposition move of up to 30cm (their normal move!) after deployment and before orders were placed to represent their infiltrate/ambush ability.
The also possessed some nice weaponry. Mid-range and it packed a punch.
I'm in the process of painting up a bunch of all 5 types of Chaos Knights and Scout Titans to add to my growing Chaos army...
Fresh stuff! A new warmaster boxed set focusing on smaller titan models; a new terrain set AND the Warbringer Nemesis Titan - the artillery titan. It can also swap weapons from the reaver class titans.
Honestly looks like a great set of stuff, there's two new things (terrain and titan) and an ideal starter/expansion boxed set as well.
Plus a new campaign book.
edit - so, £150 value in the new starter? How much will it go for, any saving? £100 seems cheap but something inbetween £100-150 seems an odd number.
So much good stuff! And hopefully Audax rules and ursus claws coming with them! And psi-Titans? There's my loyalist force!
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Holy crud, is this going to be expensive.
JWBS wrote: Plus a new campaign book.
edit - so, £150 value in the new starter? How much will it go for, any saving? £100 seems cheap but something inbetween £100-150 seems an odd number.
Will be interesting to see, but the content sure looks like a better starter set for most folks.
Great release, great starter set, add a Warlord and you've got a full Maniple. Maybe this gets some locals into the game. The only thing that could be better was if the new titan could take standard Warlord carapace weapons along with Reaver arm weapons.
Particularly happy to see the Reavers are one of each weapons wise. That’ll really help people wanting to get into the game, as all the Titans come with all the plastic weapons available.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Particularly happy to see the Reavers are one of each weapons wise. That’ll really help people wanting to get into the game, as all the Titans come with all the plastic weapons available.
Yep! Looks like a real strong push to grow this gem of a game!
A Cerastus banner require 2 knights, So splitting them from the box is out of the question, it's just 1 extra sprue....
Warbringer look nice, but I was waiting for the Rapier to really bring a fast melee titan to the table, we already got plenty of anchor-shooty titans...
This new supplement details the Crusade of Iron following the Betrayal at Calth, expanding on the background for various Legions. It contains rules for the Psi-Titans of Ordo Sinister, new Knight Houses and maniples, narrative missions and campaigns taking place across an entire sub-sector or solar system. There’s a lot of content packed into this book – we’ll take a deeper look closer to its release.
Really interested tto read about the Ordo Sinister....
Something I noticed on the downloadable terminal PDFs is that they all say copyright GW 2020, despite being released in May 2019. Perhaps they were redesigned as part of a new starter box / relaunch next year?
Chopstick wrote: A Cerastus banner require 2 knights, So splitting them from the box is out of the question, it's just 1 extra sprue....
Warbringer look nice, but I was waiting for the Rapier to really bring a fast melee titan to the table, we already got plenty of anchor-shooty titans...
I want the Rapier too since the scuttlebutt is that my Audax nutters will be allowed to field them. But it makes some sense for them to appear alongside the Kado book if they end up being the precursor to the old Slaaneshi engines.
I'm still surprised that we're getting Sinister with this book. I'm guessing those will involve resin upgrade kits. Previous fluff had Sinister fielding Warlords exclusively, but maybe a slight retcon is coming...?
GoatboyBeta wrote: Well that was a pleasant suprise Basing the cranes on the ones shown in the Calth black book is a nice touch.
I'm sure they could expand upon the concept; don't forget whilst the fullsized one only has one main weapon; part of that is going to be the greater cost and reduced sales rate. It might be they've got 3D files ready to go with other weapon designs and just haven't sold enough to justify such investment at this stage. However it sounds like its initial release will be with a single artillery weapon. It might be worth magnetizing it in case they do come up with another idea.
Of course lets not forget it might not be artillery that they come up with; its design and increased upper body size to cope with a bigger weapon could be used to house other types of weapon. It could even be used to transport support, a huge mobile area shield for example or shield projector etc.
Yeah logistical support Warbringer might be nice. Large radar / comms array, landing pads etc. Wouldn't make too much sense in a game with half a dozen engines per side though.
JWBS wrote: Yeah logistical support Warbringer might be nice. Large radar / comms array, landing pads etc. Wouldn't make too much sense in a game with half a dozen engines per side though.
*sees new AT Warbringer*
*reads JWBS' post*
*looks at new AI models*
Welp, yep, that's happening! Now to convert some Warbringer-sized landing pads!
Isn’t a Nemesis a variant of any Titan that mounts a weapon from a higher class? So the Warbringer Nemesis mounts a Warlord weapon. So other Warmord weapons could be mounted there.
Also, what’s a normal Warbringer? Does it have two Reaver class weapons on the carapace?
There’s plenty to expand upon with the Warbringer chassis.
I don't know why, but I'd gotten the impression that the Warbringer is a dedicated Nemesis chassis, as it were.
I'm really interested to see what the modern take on the Ordo Sinister psi-titans looks like. The original kit is one of the rarest Epic models they ever made, only being available at Mail Order as a metal conversion kit to the original plastic Warlord (and looking not very good).
I wonder how much is the new starter set. If it’s around 60-70 pounds or less (yeah, yeah, dream in I know), I might finally start some AT and maybe we’ll have some movement in the local community. So far there is probably a dozen people in Moscow, who play AT.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: I wonder how much is the new starter set. If it’s around 60-70 pounds or less (yeah, yeah, dream in I know), I might finally start some AT and maybe we’ll have some movement in the local community. So far there is probably a dozen people in Moscow, who play AT.
It's got about 140£ or so worth of stuff so 100-110£
In case anyone missed it, the end of the video says the starter set goes up for preorder on Feb 8th, so we should know the price this Monday. I'm curious how much of the other new stuff will come out at the same time, or if we'll need to wait.
Mr.Giggles wrote: Anyone got an idea of how many points the Warbringer is going to be. I'm thinking between 370pts - 420pts
Not a clue.
But, given the debacle over the Knight Porphyrion, I’m hoping they’ve thought the rules through a bit more. Because at the moment, each of the three Titan classes occupy very specific slots, and fulfil different tactical roles.
With new stuff being added, the risk to the game is that one Class is made largely obsolete by another once other niches are explored.
So, if the Nemesis Warbringer proves just as shooty as a Reaver, and not much less nimble, whilst carrying a bigger, Warlord class gun? The Reaver could look obsolete.
Part of this issue is something like the Nemesis is clearly not built to be anti-titan. It's more got the appearance of something built to work with a support army against another army. Thus having a long ranged artillery cannon and close up anti air guns. It's clearly more designed to go after armies not other titans even if it has a couple of titan weapons to give it some fight back.
And I mean that sincerely. Proper use of Knights and knowing how to properly scuttle them up the board, hugging terrain takes practice.
But if a Warbringer can just 'nope' them regardless? I'd say that makes it too powerful.
Guess it really depends on the rules for the Quake Cannon. It needn't be the same as the Warlord one, as we already have different patterns and sizes of Volcano Cannon. That means it could serve more as a disruptive weapon than an outright killy one.
Slowing down those sneaky Knights? OK cool, that gives me something to react to. Simply deleting Knights? Too much of a trump card for my blood.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Guess it really depends on the rules for the Quake Cannon. It needn't be the same as the Warlord one, as we already have different patterns and sizes of Volcano Cannon. That means it could serve more as a disruptive weapon than an outright killy one.
Looking at the 40k rules, the Nemesis quake cannon has a longer range than the Mori quake cannon (480" v. 360") but is weaker (S16 v. S20).
Interesting that the titanicus scale Warbringer looks a lot prettier than the full scale one.
I hope we get a few cosmetic pieces to vary up the warhounds soon, we’re kinda done with the imperial Titan range for now beyond that and the they-seem-weirdly-reticent-But-it’s-inevitable-eventually imperator.
You reckon it's definitely inevitable? Disclaimer, I don't play this game, but surely any game that includes an Imperator is going to be vastly different to anything played right now? (Like, it alone will account for as many models as the whole opposing army, plus the interactions might be weird, seeing as half of the weapons on the other army probably can't hurt it?). Having said that, they did have them in the old games so I could be totally wrong about all of that.
The Imperator is a waste of time and resource at the expense of many other smaller, useful kit that people would actually play.
I knew people want an Imperator as a paperweight on their desk, but there are also people who'd prefer a more practical and affordable unit to play the game.
We're much more like to see the other new titan classes (scale 5 & 7) and chaos variants before an Imperator. FW staff have even said that they think a single unit that big will warp the game and generally be unfun to play against.
Chopstick wrote: The Imperator is a waste of time and resource at the expense of many other smaller, useful kit that people would actually play.
I knew people want an Imperator as a paperweight on their desk, but there are also people who'd prefer a more practical and affordable unit to play the game.
Imperators were part of the Epic game and Titan Legions years ago - so they are hardly paperweights.
Warlords are already large and ponderous. Would an Imperator therefore ever move? Would it dominate any game in which it’s not facing a class equivalent?
It could be done of course, and I’d buy the model for sure. But I just think it’d largely become an X-Wing Epic Ship - a fairly expensive dust magnet.
Remember the original Imperator was effectively an army in it's own right, acting as a troop transport and armed with weaponry to fight all classes of target, not just other titans. It's a unit likely better suited to a full blown Epic game, where it can have a wider variety of roles to play.
JWBS wrote: Was Titan Legions a less complex game than AT?
In Titan Legions you got two sheets of A4 for your Imperator which put together. Mostly that was allocating power to the various segments of the unit to use weapons and features like shields and repair. Segments could also take individual damage. It was token heavy.
Gargants for Orks were the same.
So it was probably "as complex" in depths of depth
Of course once titans were used in Epic they simplified the system, otherwise it would be too time consuming/complex.
I skipped the Grandmaster edition due to budget and the limited contents of that starter, would this new upcoming starter be a better "starting" experience to get into the game proper?
JWBS wrote: Was Titan Legions a less complex game than AT?
Of course once titans were used in Epic they simplified the system, otherwise it would be too time consuming/complex.
Yeah my question was vague but this is what I was thinking - to allow for a higher and more diverse set of models in AT (ie an Imperator & more), something about the current rules or playstyle would likely have to be sacrificed or otherwise changed.
BrookM wrote: I skipped the Grandmaster edition due to budget and the limited contents of that starter, would this new upcoming starter be a better "starting" experience to get into the game proper?
Value depending, I'd say yes. Reavers and Warhounds are a very capable force. The light maniple is quite nasty in getting free shots with your reavers when you blow out shields on a Titan with your warhounds. Cerastus Knights are nasty as well. Ignore them at your peril.
2 Reaver + 2 Warhound is what a starter for this game should have been. Although it's not really a 2 player starter box that you can split like the article suggest. You also only get 1 set of stratagem it seem.
JWBS wrote: You reckon it's definitely inevitable? Disclaimer, I don't play this game, but surely any game that includes an Imperator is going to be vastly different to anything played right now? (Like, it alone will account for as many models as the whole opposing army, plus the interactions might be weird, seeing as half of the weapons on the other army probably can't hurt it?). Having said that, they did have them in the old games so I could be totally wrong about all of that.
At the end of the day Adeptus Titanicus is a game designed for titans and if 40K can field a Warlord titan then I have no doubt at all that AT will have an Imperator Titan at some point.
Warhounds and Knights - in the fluff - have been known to destroy Imperators( Paragon of Terra, Tantorus Magnificat ). I will venture that we'll see Ursus claws for the hounds when they introduce titans larger than the Warlord.
JWBS wrote: Was Titan Legions a less complex game than AT?
Of course once titans were used in Epic they simplified the system, otherwise it would be too time consuming/complex.
Yeah my question was vague but this is what I was thinking - to allow for a higher and more diverse set of models in AT (ie an Imperator & more), something about the current rules or playstyle would likely have to be sacrificed or otherwise changed.
Actually, the more I think about it, no, not really.
Points-wise, an Imperator is a lot in Titan Legions and would clearly be a lot in Adeptus Titanicus (current version!) too.
Yeah now that I think about it, from my very vague memories of seeing the game being played, it was generally just an Imperator + another thing or two versus a few mega-gargants, so not vastly different to AT. I don't think I ever saw Space Marine, Epic etc being played.
It's a better start than the Grand Master Edition.
See, multiple Warhounds and Reavers are always welcome. They're very flexible Titans, and depending on maniple and weapon load out, can fulfil surprisingly different roles.
Warlord? Bit more set in it's ways. It's the powerhouse there to do damage. And by no means will every player really desire more than one in their Maniple.
So in terms of value and flexibility (without knowing the price, which could change things) this is looking really, really good.
Heck, one each between friends and you've a solid Maniple each, which won't necessarily act the same.
The imperator is a pretty important display piece, and on those grounds alone it would be a money maker with fan demand regardless of how it was for the health of the game. There’s also a lot of overestimating how large it would be going on based on either not looking at current art or not realising the spires are comparatively thin and decorative but account for a third or more of the total height.
That said: Plenty of people leave superheavies out of regular 40k. If an imperator turned out to be poorly designed as far as rules went I’d imagine it’d go the same way. Doesn’t mean that a long term guard player in a no-superheavies meta isn’t fairly likely to have a baneblade in a cabinet at home.
BrookM wrote: I skipped the Grandmaster edition due to budget and the limited contents of that starter, would this new upcoming starter be a better "starting" experience to get into the game proper?
Definitely! A solid maniple and supporting banner. Theres also at least some variety of units and weapons here even for a proper two player open-play game, and scenery isn't hard to make for AT.
Also, while its a bit of effort, one can squeeze a third warhound - maybe even a forth - out of this set, depending on their modelling skill.
I'm just hoping they create the Imperator due to their method of designing at 40k scale and then scaling down, as I'd like to see if FW are actually mad enough to release a 40k scale imperator (if it's even theoretically possible to create a model that size that doesn't collapse under its own weight)!
xttz wrote: We're much more like to see the other new titan classes (scale 5 & 7) and chaos variants before an Imperator. FW staff have even said that they think a single unit that big will warp the game and generally be unfun to play against.
It's kind of funny they're of that opinion, and they sell Knights for 40k, because that's how I feel about Knights in 40k - they warp the game around them.
Chopstick wrote: 2 Reaver + 2 Warhound is what a starter for this game should have been. Although it's not really a 2 player starter box that you can split like the article suggest. You also only get 1 set of stratagem it seem.
Yeah, Reavers and Warhounds will give first-timers a MUCH better idea of the gameplay. AT is a game of maneuver. Warlords and Knights was a weird mix that led to static, samey game experiences. It's such a bad introduction to the game.
Add a Warlord to this starter and you have a rock-solid Axiom maniple perfect for confrontation-level games. Well done, GW.
Regarding Imperators...they're a model company first, so it will probably happen someday. But I don't think it's needed or even good for the game.
@Alpharius - Welcome to the beautiful game! Have you shared pics of your robots yet?
For an Imperator, I expect something in resin, the size and price of the 28mm Acastus knight, but more spindly, like how the AT warlord compares to the 28mm Knight Paladin.
MajorWesJanson wrote: For an Imperator, I expect something in resin, the size and price of the 28mm Acastus knight, but more spindly, like how the AT warlord compares to the 28mm Knight Paladin.
Yeah...they'll probably do it that way, mostly intended as a collector's piece for the FW whales. But then people will freak out about the price. *shrug*
@Samus -- I'm actually expecting the claw rules to underwhelm. But I'll take some regardless and figure out how to make them work.
I wonder if anyone out there is wealthy and interested enough to say to FW/GW something like “OK, here’s a deal: if you guys design it, I will pay for the mould and first pressing, straight up. Seriously, here’s the number of my concierge at the bank, call her up when you have a price” and mean it…
Oh I'm sure there are - thing is once you're that wealthy you might as well start your own casting business. The only other way would be to simply buy into shares of GW, however with the recent boom chances are that won't work now or at least will be expensive and slow. The time to buy out a majority shareholder amount was years ago.
Also GW isn't desperate for cash and one thing I can say for them is that they've already wanted to and have, retained a generally strong hold over their IP and product/lore. Having some super rich person throw money at them to make models might be something they'd take up, or they might avoid it under the risk that this outside influence could end up damaging the company down the line.
An Imperator would be interesting. If only to see how its redesigned. But I'd rather see more engines like the Warbringer that are between the traditional three classes.
I wonder if anyone out there is wealthy and interested enough to say to FW/GW something like “OK, here’s a deal: if you guys design it, I will pay for the mould and first pressing, straight up. Seriously, here’s the number of my concierge at the bank, call her up when you have a price” and mean it…
If there is, how do we get them to make a Capitol Imperialis for 40k... :-P
New Titan, new starting set, new terrain set. So that wasn't a long wait at all from the previews and very fast start of the year for new stuff for AT!
Soon, you’ll notice that new Titan models (starting with the Warbringer Nemesis) will be supplied with a card-style Command Terminal right in the box – we’ll continue to offer the heavier board versions separately if you prefer them. A new style pack with terminals for a Warlord, Warbringer Nemesis, Reaver, and two Warhounds will be up for pre-order next weekend.
Chopstick wrote: By the wording it's probably mean a (folded) printed piece of paper.
Card, so the material they make the posters in the bigger box sets out of. I hope they do a standalone set of warbringer terminals, I could use a pack of 3 or 5 of them without the other classes.
I'm curious what the next terrain wave is going to be. More mechanicum type buildings? Fortifications? Ruins?
I like the scenery a lot more than those offered by Forgeworld. I hope that next scenery release will be ruined versions of previously released items with additional debris you could use to decorate bases with. Or an actual basing kit with sculpted bases.
Terrain bit odd in that it's fairly irrelevant in game though. Okay 40k terrain isn't much better in 40k without house rules but what effect this tiny terrain is going to have?
tneva82 wrote: Terrain bit odd in that it's fairly irrelevant in game though. Okay 40k terrain isn't much better in 40k without house rules but what effect this tiny terrain is going to have?
The silos look like they could provide cover for Knights and Warhounds, as well as acting as a movement obstacle for the bigger Titans. But personally I'm seeing a lot basing scatter and objectives in this set.
I've made up my mind and I'm gonna get into this proper. currently have just a pair of Cerastus Knights I was gonna use as tests for a 30/40k scale one.
I'm not interested in the warlord chassis so the new box is way more appealing than the GME.
Finally Metalica transfers(gonna use it for my 40k Metalica Army)! It'll be cool to see what this year has to bring us.
tneva82 wrote: Terrain bit odd in that it's fairly irrelevant in game though. Okay 40k terrain isn't much better in 40k without house rules but what effect this tiny terrain is going to have?
It's there to look good, simple enough. Bigger houses, hills and such block LoS, this stuff makes the places look more lived in and less of a random mish mash one sees too often. Playing on proper layouts, like looking at maps and pictures, just happens to be more satisfying when there's meaning and story behind them.
Kinda weird that Ordo Sinister is headlining this book so far, with Ignatus and Metalica the others being confirmed (I guess Praesagius being on the cover counts too, LOL). But we’ll see what this week’s info brings...
JonWebb wrote: Not liking that Metalica icon redesign :(
You mean how the skull lost it’s goofy hat?
I always hated that thing, myself…
The hat and the wings, yes
I never associated Metalica with the crossbones either, though it is present on some of the titans (the Warlord being the most obvious example). I prefer the Imperator version with wings for sure.
I'm a sucker for 90's goofiness, I won't lie.
Something about this new skull and eye lens looks off to me.
Still, saves me a few quid, so can't complain too much .
Really do like the new Legio Metalica sheet. The fact that House Krast knights is the original livery from way back in the day is a very nice touch. I've been bebating whether to pursue Legio Metalica for my loyalist legion and this sheet cements that. Roll on Old Three Skulls...
Agamemnon2 wrote: If there is, how do we get them to make a Capitol Imperialis for 40k... :-P
A re-imagined Capitol Imperialis would be awesome. (And would fit into the existing rules without to much trouble.)
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
I'd be okay with this. The stats on paper do make CI to be kind of unusable even in Titanicus scale, but I'd love to get some kind of superheavy command vehicle in 40k scale, something like a much bigger Damocles. I'd love for it to be something gigantomassive like a CI or a Leviathan, but I guess I could settle for a Dracosan or Crassus variant.
They did have a few new concepts back when Epic: Armageddon was on its release cycle:
Personally, I'm hoping to see the Ordinatus make an appearance. The Dispersion shields should protect them from the Titan's firepower and their Warlord Titan class weapons are enough to deal damage. And that's just the Ordinatus Minoris. They could be formed into some sort of Ordiantus War Battery of 1-3 armed with their esoteric weapons. The sonic cannon could be an interesting weapon to disrupt Warhound squadrons for example.
(all speculation)
the new titan, speculation on the rules, its main gun will be a slightly weaker quake cannon, with the barrage rule, ability to fire at targets out of line of sight
that being said,
this will have a massive impact on game groups whos meta is dominated by knights
just one of these in a normal game, will effectively shut down knight spam,
my local meta rarely uses knights, so it will have a very minor impact on our game group
Ordo Sinister
this has me worried,
the core rule book has rules listed for warp weapons and vortex weapons
as it stands, only the warp missile is currently in game that has the warp rule, and is a one use weapon system, mounted on a reaver
nothing in the game uses the vortex rule, however, historically, there was the vortex missile, also a one shot weapon system, that could be mounted on reavers or warlords
speculation on the rules, that the arm weapon will be a "warp" weapon
this will be a massive game changer
speculation, a player can only ever take ONE of these titans, has to be loyalist, and its one titan selected as a support titan for a regular titan legio
the points better be stupid high, hopeing that they are for narrative play only and NOT for matched play
Gunrunner1775 wrote: Ordo Sinister this has me worried, the core rule book has rules listed for warp weapons and vortex weapons as it stands, only the warp missile is currently in game that has the warp rule, and is a one use weapon system, mounted on a reaver nothing in the game uses the vortex rule, however, historically, there was the vortex missile, also a one shot weapon system, that could be mounted on reavers or warlords
speculation on the rules, that the arm weapon will be a "warp" weapon this will be a massive game changer
speculation, a player can only ever take ONE of these titans, has to be loyalist, and its one titan selected as a support titan for a regular titan legio the points better be stupid high, hopeing that they are for narrative play only and NOT for matched play
The Sinistramanus Tenebrae isn't that different from the Belicosa Pattern Volcano Cannon in 30k (more anti-infantry than anti-tank) - I'm more interested in how they handle psychic powers...
Wow that's unexpected. Really thought the starter set would be £100-110, while the Warbringer is pretty close in size to a Reaver but costs over 50% more.
xttz wrote: Wow that's unexpected. Really thought the starter set would be £100-110, while the Warbringer is pretty close in size to a Reaver but costs over 50% more.
It's taller and bulkier than the Reaver, and (as MDG said) it's not a kit they'll likely sell multiples of. Priced between the Reaver & Warlord seems about right.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If there is, how do we get them to make a Capitol Imperialis for 40k... :-P
A re-imagined Capitol Imperialis would be awesome. (And would fit into the existing rules without to much trouble.)
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
I'd be okay with this. The stats on paper do make CI to be kind of unusable even in Titanicus scale, but I'd love to get some kind of superheavy command vehicle in 40k scale, something like a much bigger Damocles. I'd love for it to be something gigantomassive like a CI or a Leviathan, but I guess I could settle for a Dracosan or Crassus variant.
In 40k you would struggle to FIT the model on board...Warlord is nearly 2 feet tall in 40k(according to FW web page). So CI would over 4 feet tall...So literally longer than most people's board! And about 3 feet tall...
Even in AT it would be quite ridiculous at like over feet long...
Agamemnon2 wrote: If there is, how do we get them to make a Capitol Imperialis for 40k... :-P
A re-imagined Capitol Imperialis would be awesome. (And would fit into the existing rules without to much trouble.)
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
I'd be okay with this. The stats on paper do make CI to be kind of unusable even in Titanicus scale, but I'd love to get some kind of superheavy command vehicle in 40k scale, something like a much bigger Damocles. I'd love for it to be something gigantomassive like a CI or a Leviathan, but I guess I could settle for a Dracosan or Crassus variant.
In 40k you would struggle to FIT the model on board...Warlord is nearly 2 feet tall in 40k(according to FW web page). So CI would over 4 feet tall...So literally longer than most people's board! And about 3 feet tall...
Even in AT it would be quite ridiculous at like over feet long...
The prices for the starter and warbringer seem far too cheap and expensive, respectively. The book and scenery do sound about right though.
The starter set is almost 50% discount and if true...get it! Sounds a little too fantastic though...
The Warbringer, unless the quake cannon is resin, he ought to be no more than £50. Is the included card terminal going push the price up on future kits? Hmmmm...
Personally, I think it might just be the scenery for now and wait for the next bus.
I'd be okay with this. The stats on paper do make CI to be kind of unusable even in Titanicus scale, but I'd love to get some kind of superheavy command vehicle in 40k scale, something like a much bigger Damocles. I'd love for it to be something gigantomassive like a CI or a Leviathan, but I guess I could settle for a Dracosan or Crassus variant.
In 40k you would struggle to FIT the model on board...Warlord is nearly 2 feet tall in 40k(according to FW web page). So CI would over 4 feet tall...So literally longer than most people's board! And about 3 feet tall...
Even in AT it would be quite ridiculous at like over feet long...
To be fair, titan scale has been wildly inconsistent across multiple novels and other sources as well.
I'm quite disappointed with the new prices, despite the starter being very steeply discounted (£165 of stuff for £90 is pretty great). I was expecting £45 for the Warbringer, the +50% markup over a Reaver seems too much. Since I need two Warbringers and zero Reavers or Warhounds I'm a little bit sad, but overall this is great for most people buying into AT, which is something to be applauded.
I'd be okay with this. The stats on paper do make CI to be kind of unusable even in Titanicus scale, but I'd love to get some kind of superheavy command vehicle in 40k scale, something like a much bigger Damocles. I'd love for it to be something gigantomassive like a CI or a Leviathan, but I guess I could settle for a Dracosan or Crassus variant.
In 40k you would struggle to FIT the model on board...Warlord is nearly 2 feet tall in 40k(according to FW web page). So CI would over 4 feet tall...So literally longer than most people's board! And about 3 feet tall...
Even in AT it would be quite ridiculous at like over feet long...
To be fair, titan scale has been wildly inconsistent across multiple novels and other sources as well.
The diagram posted earlier on this page always seems kind of off to me too, in 40K scale at least
I wonder if the Warbringer will have a separate weapon sprue (like the Warlord & Reaver), and I wonder how they'll integrate the Warbringer & Psi-Titan into the existing Maniples (or will they just be limited to 'extra' Titans)?
zedmeister wrote: I doubt they'll adapt existing maniples. They'll create new ones to incorporate the Warbringer.
What do you think an artillery / fire support maniple would look like? Warbringer & Warlords only, or lighter stuff for scouting & spotting?
Perhaps a maniple with Warhound "spotters" with the Warbringer being able to Barrage without the -2 penalty to hit using the Warhound LOS
Edit:
Or you could combine them with Knights for some of combined arms Maniple. Knight spotters instead or perhaps a Maniple that combines Warbringers and Acastus Knights for some sort of fire support battery.
Arm mounts on Warbringer & Reaver look different. Due to the melee weapons I've magnetised my Reaver weapons at the shoulders, so they won't work with the Warbringer as it is. That's going to look odd, but the Warbringer is weird-looking anyway.
The fact that it is listed as "Warbringer with Quake Cannon" does suggest there will be other versions...
zedmeister wrote: I doubt they'll adapt existing maniples. They'll create new ones to incorporate the Warbringer.
ugh. will just create more maniple spam eventually breaking the game.
Yeah, I'm not sure about that. With reported six new chassis in development, we'd looking at a LOT of maniple types if we're to have any flexibility in how we use new Titans. And GW's design philosophy generally avoids creating barriers to buying and fielding models. Think I'd put my chips on maniples changing to a scale-based format via FAQs and an eventual compendium. But who knows!
beast_gts wrote: I wonder if the Warbringer will have a separate weapon sprue (like the Warlord & Reaver), and I wonder how they'll integrate the Warbringer & Psi-Titan into the existing Maniples (or will they just be limited to 'extra' Titans)?
The Warbringer is pretty much the poster boy for Shadow & Iron so the expansion will provide new maniples for them.
Yeah, that was mentioned a while back. Apparently there is one between the Reaver and Hound, and of course the "Rapier", whatever that will be. As for the remaining three...not a scooby.
There is only one heavy maniple so far, so a couple of them with a mix of warlords and warbringers would make sense, plus warbringers mixed with spotters.
Well, we already have Legions that can sub out one class for another in Maniples. Something similar would be fairly straight forward for the Warbringer?
Yeah, that was mentioned a while back. Apparently there is one between the Reaver and Hound, and of course the "Rapier", whatever that will be. As for the remaining three...not a scooby.
The “bigger than the warlord” was mentioned if I remember. Probably be called a Deathbringer after the old Titan sub classes. Maybe it’ll mount an imperator grade weapon in its carapace...
Yeah, that was mentioned a while back. Apparently there is one between the Reaver and Hound, and of course the "Rapier", whatever that will be. As for the remaining three...not a scooby.
According to the fan wikis that collate canonical information, a Rapier is a scout titan lighter than the Warhound. There's also a rare heavy titan chassis called the Punisher, which has three legs.
Nemesis, Night Gaunt, and Death Bringer were old warlord sub types. Komodo was mentioned in some HH black books. Warrior shows up in the Imperator novel.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Nemesis, Night Gaunt, and Death Bringer were old warlord sub types. Komodo was mentioned in some HH black books. Warrior shows up in the Imperator novel.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Nemesis, Night Gaunt, and Death Bringer were old warlord sub types. Komodo was mentioned in some HH black books. Warrior shows up in the Imperator novel.
There was also Eclipse in the old AT game.
That was the 4th Warlord variant. I knew I was forgetting one. Found the old cards.
Nemesis is slower and more durable, and with the new definition of a Nemesis titan, a Nemesis Warlord would be a bit better armored, maybe covering the abdominal plasma reactor issue, and better armed, either with a pair of full size warlord weapons or maybe an Emperor scale weapon on the carapace.
Deathbringer seems to be kind of the default Warlord.
Eclipse has a majority with a bit more speed and mostly 3 weapon mounts, this could have evolved into the Warbringer, possibly.
Nightgaunt is two arm weapons, no carapace, fast. Both have a single melee arm and gun arm.
That would be fitting. The ludicrous transport capacity of the old one (wasn't it something like a full company of guardsmen and three Russes?) is something that could be downscaled in a reimagined version without sacrificing the core concept, which to me was always "supreme command bunker on tracks".
Looking at those same fan wikis, there's also mention of a thing called a Sacristan Crawler, used by Knight households for recovering and repairing fallen walkers. I think the game has too few non-titan, non-tank superheavies, so I'd love to see one of those at some point as well. Or I'll just have to break out the plasticard and build my own.
Why make one of those? Because I love scratchbuilding and bizarre conversions? I made a Leman Russ analogue out of plasticard and old sprue once, and one of my eternity projects is a 40k scale Gorgon. You can tell I've been at it for a long time by the fact that the Forgeworld kit was not out when I started that project. :-)
But no, I assume you mean "Why does the game need this?" I just think that support vehicles and objectives like that are fun, and it adds to the verisimilitude of the setting to have more than strictly front-line combat vehicles involved in a battle. It makes wargames feel less like chess, if you know what I mean, though how could you.
Support vehicles and such are always fun, even if only as objectives, especially when thinking about Titan warfare. Titans are basically untouchable by regular troops, which means they can be used as a great breakthrough formation that can trample over many defences and wreak havoc in the supply lines where such engines and crews would be found.
I've always liked asymmetrical scenarios, like one side trying to cover the retreat of noncombatants or damaged equipment while their opponent attempts to press the advantage or capture high value targets (loyalist support vehicles and mobile workshops could be enormously valuable for traitor legions operating with more sporadic support, for example).
Sherrypie wrote: Support vehicles and such are always fun, even if only as objectives, especially when thinking about Titan warfare. Titans are basically untouchable by regular troops, which means they can be used as a great breakthrough formation that can trample over many defences and wreak havoc in the supply lines where such engines and crews would be found.
Except fluff doesn't portait them as invulnerable to requalr troops.
Indeed, ever since Adeptus Titanicus first landed all those decades ago, it's been clear one of the biggest threats to a Titan is indeed Infantry.
See, they can hide in buildings, wait for you and your Void Shields to pass close, and open up at point blank range. If that happens,there's nothing you can do about it.
Consider it the same things as to why Star Fighters/Bombers are so effective in Star Wars. Compared to a Capital Ship, they're mere Gnats. But they're not Gnats. They're Wasps. Angrier Wasps with bigger stings. Exploding Bigger Stings, and they can hit you exactly where they need to.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is why Warhounds feature in most maniples, in terms of Background.
They're fast enough to get out of dodge if ambushed, nimble enough to scout stuff out, and their weapon systems better geared toward shredding lots of light stuff.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Found the quote!
Grand Master Ferromort, Ordo Sinister, Divisio Militaris wrote:Despise infantry if you must. Crush them underfoot, by all means. But do not ignore them. Battlefields are littered with the wreckage of Titans whose crews ignored infantry.
It's not that they're more vulnerable, just that infantry should never be completely ignored.
Consider. A heavy weapons platoon, or equivalent, dug into a building or foxhole etc. They're supported by Armour, and possibly even their own War Engines.
You've only brought Titan class stuff. Those Heavy Weapons are pew pew pewing all the time, helping to overwhelm your void shields. Or, you've suffered moderate damage to a weapon system, it's armour largely scrapped. Those Heavy Weapons instead pew pew pew at that damaged weapon, allowing enemy War Engines to focus elsewhere, confident their supporting infantry will finish the job.
They're also a dab hand at getting up round behind your Titan, where your own weapons cannot be brought to bear.
They can hide out in sewer systems and other hidden places, ready to pop up and start chipping away.
They can better adapt to your line of advance, potentially setting booby traps in your path.
Infantry are deadly, when used properly, and allowed a free rein. But, when you've your own foot sloggers? Much less so.
Untouchable and invulnerable are very different things, fellas
The point of using them in the breakthrough isn't that they don't take damage, it's that they are essentially unstoppable as the first wave if they want to run through something smaller than a fortified city. They will get there, they will punch a hole in the line and then you can pour infantry and armour in behind them. Given how often 40k battles resemble the western front of the WW I, having a giga sized storm troop force go on a rampage helps the larger offensive get a hold of some area.
Using only large things is a stupid idea in the first place in any war: whatever does the killing, infantry does the winning.
There's also stuff well outside of the scope of Epic and 40k. And that's infantry boarding your carapace.
Get a Heresy Era support squad of Marines topside armed with meltaguns, and your Titan is in pretty serious trouble.
I mean, they can mag-lock themselves to the hull, so shaking them off isn't much of an option.
Shooting them off? Well, you'll need elevation, and best not use owt much more than Autocannon, or you risk doing as much damage to your Titan as to the squad.
Meanwhile the cheeky chappies are having a good old scuttle around up there. Point blank melta shot into your shield projectors or carapace weapon actuators?
They may struggle to get an actual engine kill as such - but they'll sure reduce it's fighting capability in relatively short order. And Machine God help you if they get on that possibly ill-advised gantry round the back
Infantry....and aircrafts (praise the omnissiah for Warbringer AA gun!)
In the Warlord titan comic a Genestealer climb inside a warlord and almost wreck the whole crew of the main Titan, thing didn't go so well for the other Titan as they are completely taken over by Tyranid.
Marines taking out a titan like that would be a great sequence for one of the upcoming 40k animated series.
Speaking of thing outside the scope: I really want to see a new version of the Corvus Assault Pod at some point. It's just one of those bonkers and evocative 40k ideas with really limited in-game use.
It's an idea that works better narratively than mechanically, since it's hard to see how delivering a few Epic bases' worth of infantry (I can't remember how much it was supposed to be able to carry, but I'm assuming something like 10-20) would be enough of a big deal to warrant taking off a titan's weapon arm.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Why make one of those? Because I love scratchbuilding and bizarre conversions? I made a Leman Russ analogue out of plasticard and old sprue once, and one of my eternity projects is a 40k scale Gorgon. You can tell I've been at it for a long time by the fact that the Forgeworld kit was not out when I started that project. :-)
But no, I assume you mean "Why does the game need this?" I just think that support vehicles and objectives like that are fun, and it adds to the verisimilitude of the setting to have more than strictly front-line combat vehicles involved in a battle. It makes wargames feel less like chess, if you know what I mean, though how could you.
No, I had my tab open for a while before I posted. That was a question in response to the post above yours. The question in full would be "Why would the Capitol Imperialis be based on an Ordinatus chassis?"
MarkNorfolk wrote: I love the Corvus Assault Pod! It's the perfect 'anti-infantry-who-are-hiding-out-in-a-building-that-doesn't- destroy-the-building' weapon.
Nah - Corvus Assault Head! Headbutt a building them vomit Terminators into it!
Why YOU Need the New Adeptus Titanicus Starter Set
For more than a year now, tabletops across the world have shaken beneath the tread of mighty god-machines. Entire battlegroups of Titans and their Knightly allies have waged war across countless battlefields, and whether you’re a veteran with dozens of engine kills under your belt, or brand new to Adeptus Titanicus, the new starter set is for you.
What’s in it? We’re glad you asked! This massive box contains everything you need to start playing Adeptus Titanicus, including rules, templates, dice and, of course, models.
You’ll get four Titans – two mighty Reaver Battle Titans and two nimble Warhound Scout Titans – as well as a pair of Cerastus Knight-Lancers. Everything you need to use these models in your games is included – command terminals to track their status, movement and weapon templates, as well as a host of cards for weapons, missions and stratagems.
There’s also a set of Battlefield Assets to bolster your battlegroup, all the tokens and status markers you need, and a 96-page rulebook which has been updated with all of the latest errata, meaning you’ll be 100% up-to-speed with how the game works.
Why is it a Good Starting Point? If you’ve never played Adeptus Titanicus and want to get up and running, this starter set contains everything you’ll need. The six models included form a fantastic beginner’s battlegroup, coupling the durability and high-powered weapons of the Reaver Titans with the speed and manoeuvrability of the Warhounds. The Cerastus Knights will show you how support banners work – as well as how deadly getting into melee with a shock lance can be!
The rulebook contains guides for building your force – including different maniples you can use to organise your battlegroup – along with a series of missions to play. There are also rules for various different Titan Legions, each with their own distinct abilities and play styles, as well as colour schemes for their god-machines.
I Play Already – Why do I Want This? Did you see how much great stuff is in the box?
What if I Want to Play With a Friend? You may have noticed that the box contains two of each Titan. Split the set with a mate, and you’ll each have the start of your own battlegroup. A Reaver and Warhound each is perfect for learning how to play, and once you both have a grasp of the rules, you can reinforce them with Questoris Knights and more Titans – including towering Warlords, the most powerful and destructive engines in the game.
If you really want to get set up perfectly for two players, pick up a Grand Master Edition alongside the new box. This set contains two Warlords and six Questoris Knights, as well as another full set of rules and accessories, meaning you’ll both have even more to play with, along with some plastic buildings to battle across (or turn into rubble) with your formidable battlegroups.
Whether you’re looking to expand your existing maniples or start battling in the name of the Emperor or Horus (your choice), the Adeptus Titanicus: The Horus Heresy starter set is absolutely unmissable – and you’ll be able to pre-order your copy on Saturday the 8th of February. Before then, you can grab a box of Knights or a Titan and start preparing your forces – you can never have too many war engines, after all.
There’s also a set of Battlefield Assets to bolster your battlegroup, all the tokens and status markers you need, and a 96-page rulebook which has been updated with all of the latest errata, meaning you’ll be 100% up-to-speed with how the game works.
Pleased to see the new starter be a decent collection for a decent price; great way to tempt people in. Slightly disappointed with the price of the Warbringer – I had hope it would sit at £40–£45, nearer to the Reaver price than the Warlord.
While I don't like the aesthetics of the Warbringer as much as the Reaver (my absolute favourite), I think it'll grow on me; and there are elements I think are fantastic. The head will hopefully swap out nicely with a Warlord.
Which, slightly annoyingly, means we now have a plastic quake cannon available soon. Even if it is in an artillery configuration and missing the arm mount.
Oh well.
I wonder if they’re going to offer all the Warlord projectile weapons as options? Like a macro-Gatling howitzer or an annihilator plasma mortar….
xttz wrote: Yeah my main gripe with the Warbringer is the goofy head. Luckily I have a spare Warlord head from the weapons sprue which should look better.
The warlord and Reavers both have alternate heads. Maybe there is an alternate warbringer head in that kit? Also hoping for the lucius alpha head to show up for the warlord. They could easily do a third sprue for the warlord.
Anyone else get the feeling that the Warbringer may have the full complement of Reaver weapons in the kit, perhaps that's the reason for the slightly higher price.
BlackKnight wrote: Anyone else get the feeling that the Warbringer may have the full complement of Reaver weapons in the kit, perhaps that's the reason for the slightly higher price.
BlackKnight wrote: Anyone else get the feeling that the Warbringer may have the full complement of Reaver weapons in the kit, perhaps that's the reason for the slightly higher price.
possible
Yeah, the one pictured has one gun from sprue A and one gun from sprue B and they surely didn't waste a mold production slot on recutting those.
BlackKnight wrote: Anyone else get the feeling that the Warbringer may have the full complement of Reaver weapons in the kit, perhaps that's the reason for the slightly higher price.
If so then that would be a decent price, along with the terminal. A complete plastic Reaver would be £50 while the Warlord would be £90...
Yeah, the one pictured has one gun from sprue A and one gun from sprue B and they surely didn't waste a mold production slot on recutting those.
Why not? How many times have 40k heavy bolters or lascannons been put on unique sprues for units that can use them? I doubt they put both current Reaver sprues in this kit, not least because that would include two Reaver-specific heads.
More likely both arm weapons are on a new sprue with the new quake cannon & head, leaving the option for an alternative Warbringer sprue later.
When it was first revealed they said it comes with a Volcano Cannon and Laser Blaster, but other Reaver weapons would fit, so I’m assuming they cut a new sprue.
Nostromodamus wrote: When it was first revealed they said it comes with a Volcano Cannon and Laser Blaster, but other Reaver weapons would fit, so I’m assuming they cut a new sprue.
Probably a sprue with 2 arms, 1 or hopefully 2 heads, and the quake cannon. Then later they can do another sprue with a different carapace and head, and the other 2 reaver guns.
I just force-refreshed the article and it's still there:
"There’s also a set of Battlefield Assets to bolster your battlegroup, all the tokens and status markers you need, and a 96-page rulebook which has been updated with all of the latest errata, meaning you’ll be 100% up-to-speed with how the game works."
xttz wrote: Yeah my main gripe with the Warbringer is the goofy head. Luckily I have a spare Warlord head from the weapons sprue which should look better.
The head is definitely the weakest part of it, so hopefully there will be some variants in the kit (that will show up in 40k scale as well!), though I think overall I prefer the Warbringer to the Warlord mostly because it looks more like it could actually function, a number of the mechanical elements of the Warlord don't make a lot of sense and it seems it was designed by someone who knew it should have pistons, but didn't fully understand them (there are a pair on the arm that simply go between two points on the same piece of the arm).
Also really hoping for some variant carapace weapons in the future, I reckon a massive plasma gun with a pair of huge power cells replacing the ammo hoppers would look great! Actually, will be interesting to see if the ammo hoppers come with holes for magnets (like they do on the 40k version).
As for the sprue situation, it's definitely going to be completely new sprues, other than the weapons it shares nothing with the Reaver, so no way they'll be sticking Reaver sprues in just for the weapons. Would be nice if it had more than two of the Reaver weapons, but would have thought that would have been mentioned if it was the case.
Chopstick wrote: I'm more curious if there're any adjustment to the weapon card and knight terminal.
I noted last year that when they put the free PDF terminals up for download that they were slightly redesigned with a 2020 copyright on the back, and that indicated a new boxed set in the works. I expect the terminals in the starter set will be identical to last year's free downloads.
xttz wrote: Yeah my main gripe with the Warbringer is the goofy head. Luckily I have a spare Warlord head from the weapons sprue which should look better.
The head is definitely the weakest part of it, so hopefully there will be some variants in the kit (that will show up in 40k scale as well!), though I think overall I prefer the Warbringer to the Warlord mostly because it looks more like it could actually function, a number of the mechanical elements of the Warlord don't make a lot of sense and it seems it was designed by someone who knew it should have pistons, but didn't fully understand them (there are a pair on the arm that simply go between two points on the same piece of the arm).
Also really hoping for some variant carapace weapons in the future, I reckon a massive plasma gun with a pair of huge power cells replacing the ammo hoppers would look great! Actually, will be interesting to see if the ammo hoppers come with holes for magnets (like they do on the 40k version).
As for the sprue situation, it's definitely going to be completely new sprues, other than the weapons it shares nothing with the Reaver, so no way they'll be sticking Reaver sprues in just for the weapons. Would be nice if it had more than two of the Reaver weapons, but would have thought that would have been mentioned if it was the case.
My ideal scenario is that we get another Warbringer weapon sprue with a new carapace option (like that plasma gun) plus brand new arm weapons usable by Reavers too.
Although I have a funny feeling we'll just get a resin carapace volcano cannon & head for £20+...
Really hope they come up with a solution to the Acastus problem soon. Damn thing is too good at the points. The model is gorgeous and I want to field a bunch of them without being a complete tosser!
zedmeister wrote:Really hope they come up with a solution to the Acastus problem soon. Damn thing is too good at the points. The model is gorgeous and I want to field a bunch of them without being a complete tosser!
Agree on all counts!
Nurglitch wrote:Maybe field them anyways and misuse them?
Just not cricket. I tend to agree a limit with my opponent - usually when one of us takes one the other does as well. They tend to dual out for a turn or two until one falls over in flames before the other is scragged by a Titan on Split Fire order
First...confirmation that Audax and Ursus Claws are in.
The Audax color scheme is interesting. Basically everyone painting Audax (AT scale or 40K scale) has been going off a few words from Laurie Goulding on a message board that stated ADB said they're dark red with iron trim and burning embers patterns. So this...isn't quite how everyone interpreted it, although some of the same components are there. I think I can tweak my scheme to pick up some of that look. And hopefully we get a transfer sheet that will help. I like what they did, it's just going to force some changes.
I targeted Ordo Sinister as my loyalist force many months ago. So...wow! That Warlord-Sinister looks great. And I'm going to be very broke. I hope it's available as an upgrade kit...buuuuut I'm skeptical that it will be.
Imma gonna be broke...so broke. And broke.
Edit: It looks like the Sinister base color is more of a colorless black than the black-green as described in the fluff. The verdigris is there, however.
Ursus Claws! Okay, I might just have to get the expansion now...
A new kit for friday? Well, I dare say that this has been the best month for Adeptus Titanicus so far.
zedmeister wrote: Really hope they come up with a solution to the Acastus problem soon. Damn thing is too good at the points. The model is gorgeous and I want to field a bunch of them without being a complete tosser!
Same here. Its unacceptable really because all it takes is a quick pdf.
Too many cheap Warlord kits floating around out there, LOL.
So I guess the kit comes with the plasma/claw sprue. Hmm.
These are going to be some very expensive Warlords, considering you'll probably want to buy more weapons to fill out the options. The 30K version can take all the regular Warlord gear, and I don't see why this would be any different.
Alpharius wrote: What's the consensus 'quick fix' to the Acastus problem?
(And no, 'don't take them' doesn't count!)
Not sure there's a consensus. Some folks -- including the GW events, IIRC -- just limit their number in games. A points fix is another approach. Another would be to change the weapon profiles -- range is a key factor in their awesomeness, but they could also be reduced in strength or lose certain keywords.
Alpharius wrote: What's the consensus 'quick fix' to the Acastus problem?
(And no, 'don't take them' doesn't count!)
Halving the ranges on all the guns would be a good start. Forcing them to be fielded in pairs or more would also be helpful. As would halving the number of attacks for the graviton cannon so it’s not such a no-brainer “this is blatantly better but costs the same” non-choice.
Tavis75 wrote: The head is definitely the weakest part of it, so hopefully there will be some variants in the kit (that will show up in 40k scale as well!), though I think overall I prefer the Warbringer to the Warlord mostly because it looks more like it could actually function, a number of the mechanical elements of the Warlord don't make a lot of sense and it seems it was designed by someone who knew it should have pistons, but didn't fully understand them (there are a pair on the arm that simply go between two points on the same piece of the arm).
Those are simplified versions of the pistons on the FW Warlord at 40k scale. Those connect the upper arms to the torso. Clearly too fiddly to replicate (or build) on the AT scale Warlord. I don't miss them, and it allows the upper arms/weapons to rotate if the joint is magnetised.
...and maybe 1-2 Knights per banner. With 4 in a banner one is saving 30 points and getting a bonus to an already powerful ranged attack. 3 Acastus is still very powerful.
The only problem with limiting their use is that both sides need to field them in equal numbers, otherwise one player has a distinct advantage in points and is free to spend those points on other things.
Well, it would definitely be a shame as far as custom legions and general army theming goes to limit the close combat weapon for warhounds to one legion...
changemod wrote: Well, it would definitely be a shame as far as custom legions and general army theming goes to limit the close combat weapon for warhounds to one legion...
It’s not really a close combat weapon. It’s a harpoon.
changemod wrote: Well, it would definitely be a shame as far as custom legions and general army theming goes to limit the close combat weapon for warhounds to one legion...
It’s not really a close combat weapon. It’s a harpoon.
Yeah, but it makes the world eaters happy and it never stops being connected to the Titan, it’s there in spirit regardless.
Cyrixiinus wrote: Fluffwise there are other close combat weapons too. Titaniucs mentions a trident.
It used to be the Harpoon was a misssile that you used to fire into a titan to overload the control systems and try to control it remotely. The trident was similar to the Ursus claws weapon - fire it into a Titan/superheavy and then pull bits out of it or pull it over. Not sure if the classic Harpoon missile will reappear.
Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
Overread wrote: Gods that gun almost looks like its off an eldar titan - Psy titan for the win!
Might be able to do a decent conversion with Dark Eldar bits
Well its a LOT of Dark Eldar bits if you want a titan since its only the gun arm.
That said I'm sure we'll see Xenos appear at some stage. We just have to wait out the Imperialist propaganda first
The arm and faceplate remind me a lot of the Talos. Sort of like a soul siphon. I really like how it blends the Imperial styling with a form follows function of a psy weapon. Already have a name planned for it.
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
Think that broadly matches their Heresy volume?
That’s where I’m getting the info from yeah. I haven’t seen the new book, to clarify. Just from what I’m remembering of their lore from Inferno, I’d be very surprised if they weren’t loyalist only.
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
Think that broadly matches their Heresy volume?
That’s where I’m getting the info from yeah. I haven’t seen the new book, to clarify. Just from what I’m remembering of their lore from Inferno, I’d be very surprised if they weren’t loyalist only.
You're remembering largely correctly, 20 not 25, (5 in each of the 4 crypt-fortresses) but otherwise yea they are the emperors own.
What is interesting is they are not actually [a] Titan Legio, but an Ordo with Titans. So I wonder how they will fit in the game? will you only be able to take one as a support titan or will it just say "treat them as a legio"
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
Think that broadly matches their Heresy volume?
That’s where I’m getting the info from yeah. I haven’t seen the new book, to clarify. Just from what I’m remembering of their lore from Inferno, I’d be very surprised if they weren’t loyalist only.
You're remembering largely correctly, 20 not 25, (5 in each of the 4 crypt-fortresses) but otherwise yea they are the emperors own.
What is interesting is they are not actually [a] Titan Legio, but an Ordo with Titans. So I wonder how they will fit in the game? will you only be able to take one as a support titan or will it just say "treat them as a legio"
*edit: fixing grammar.
Where the confusion seems to be is the big E ordered 25 titans, yet we know of only 4 crypt-fortresses, so either 5 are in reserve, or used for a different project entirely.
One was destroyed whilst fighting the eldar though, where there any losses on Prospero?
Unfortunately that is about all they were. They were such unreliable gimmicks (and often with cripplingly short effective range) that I never saw them fielded. It was far better to use that weapons hardpoint for a more conventional gun.
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
Think that broadly matches their Heresy volume?
That’s where I’m getting the info from yeah. I haven’t seen the new book, to clarify. Just from what I’m remembering of their lore from Inferno, I’d be very surprised if they weren’t loyalist only.
You're remembering largely correctly, 20 not 25, (5 in each of the 4 crypt-fortresses) but otherwise yea they are the emperors own.
What is interesting is they are not actually [a] Titan Legio, but an Ordo with Titans. So I wonder how they will fit in the game? will you only be able to take one as a support titan or will it just say "treat them as a legio"
*edit: fixing grammar.
That's a fair point...possible that they're 'allies' of sorts for loyalists. Although the text seems to imply that there are more Psi-Titans than just the Warlord, it doesn't appear that the models will be available. So maybe they won't have a full Legio-style set of rules yet. Of course, maybe the other Titan classes don't get the left hand of doom or anything really unique, so unique models aren't required to fill out a maniple. Lots of ways this could sort out.
Edit: 'Allies' for traitors in the form of daemon engines could be (are probably?) coming as soon as the Kado campaign book.
I guess we know why they were featuring Ordo Sinister in a book that seemed more about the Shadow Crusade Legios. The model is pretty terrific.
CorwinB wrote: Strange that the upcoming decals are not for the Iron Crusade Legios (Praesagius, Suturvora, Audax...).
Anyone knows if it's possible to field Psi-Titans for the renegade side, or are they exclusive to Loyalists ? I don't want to order two on Friday and later discover in the book that it's only possible to field a single one...
Having not seen the book, presumably loyalist only. There’s only 25 Warlords of Ordo Sinister, and they’re basically the Emperors own Titan Legion. (Iirc, been a while since I read Inferno).
Think that broadly matches their Heresy volume?
That’s where I’m getting the info from yeah. I haven’t seen the new book, to clarify. Just from what I’m remembering of their lore from Inferno, I’d be very surprised if they weren’t loyalist only.
You're remembering largely correctly, 20 not 25, (5 in each of the 4 crypt-fortresses) but otherwise yea they are the emperors own.
What is interesting is they are not actually [a] Titan Legio, but an Ordo with Titans. So I wonder how they will fit in the game? will you only be able to take one as a support titan or will it just say "treat them as a legio"
*edit: fixing grammar.
Where the confusion seems to be is the big E ordered 25 titans, yet we know of only 4 crypt-fortresses, so either 5 are in reserve, or used for a different project entirely.
One was destroyed whilst fighting the eldar though, where there any losses on Prospero?
Two of them might be the ones guarding the gates to the inner chamber of the Golden Throne. Which also probably means the last three were (or still are) involved in fighting the warp incursion Magnus triggered.
So a bit of a whinge, but GW's transfer releases for AT continue to puzzle me. Its looking more likely that either or both Legio Metallica and Ignatum will not feature in the new book. So thats two sheets of icons for Legios with no relation to the new campaign book, no official colour plates, and accompanied by Knight houses that are known to have changed there heraldry post Heresy. Although I suppose that's still better than the information available on House's Vi, Hyboras and Turbidos?
GoatboyBeta wrote: So a bit of a whinge, but GW's transfer releases for AT continue to puzzle me. Its looking more likely that either or both Legio Metallica and Ignatum will not feature in the new book. So thats two sheets of icons for Legios with no relation to the new campaign book, no official colour plates, and accompanied by Knight houses that are known to have changed there heraldry post Heresy. Although I suppose that's still better than the information available on House's Vi, Hyboras and Turbidos?
I have some issues with the transfers as well. Out of the eleven we’ve seen only four are traitor legions and two of them have been discontinued. My guess as to why Metallica and Ignatum are being released this weekend is because they are two of the more iconic legions. Ignatum is featured heavily in the fluff and Metallica was the studio’s legion when Titan Legions was released.
GoatboyBeta wrote: So a bit of a whinge, but GW's transfer releases for AT continue to puzzle me. Its looking more likely that either or both Legio Metallica and Ignatum will not feature in the new book. So thats two sheets of icons for Legios with no relation to the new campaign book, no official colour plates, and accompanied by Knight houses that are known to have changed there heraldry post Heresy. Although I suppose that's still better than the information available on House's Vi, Hyboras and Turbidos?
I have some issues with the transfers as well. Out of the eleven we’ve seen only four are traitor legions and two of them have been discontinued. My guess as to why Metallica and Ignatum are being released this weekend is because they are two of the more iconic legions. Ignatum is featured heavily in the fluff and Metallica was the studio’s legion when Titan Legions was released.
I wonder if they are going to do full size versions, and if they are going to bring back some of the discontinued full size Legion transfer sheets. Actually looking at the website at Titan stuff, I remember the Reaver chainfist going away, but when did the Lucius Alpha head disappear?
Unfortunately that is about all they were. They were such unreliable gimmicks (and often with cripplingly short effective range) that I never saw them fielded. It was far better to use that weapons hardpoint for a more conventional gun.
Ah yes, agreed! (Partially!)
Did your Titans never make it into close combat?
But anyway, sometimes we actually played the game for fun too, so occasionally the weirder Titan weapons saw the field in our games - and may soon again too!
Patriarch wrote: Those are simplified versions of the pistons on the FW Warlord at 40k scale. Those connect the upper arms to the torso. Clearly too fiddly to replicate (or build) on the AT scale Warlord. I don't miss them, and it allows the upper arms/weapons to rotate if the joint is magnetised.
They exist on the 40k scale Warlord as well (in between the arms to torso ones that are missing from the AT version), you can see them in this picture.
Unfortunately that is about all they were. They were such unreliable gimmicks (and often with cripplingly short effective range) that I never saw them fielded. It was far better to use that weapons hardpoint for a more conventional gun.
Ah yes, agreed! (Partially!)
Did your Titans never make it into close combat?
But anyway, sometimes we actually played the game for fun too, so occasionally the weirder Titan weapons saw the field in our games - and may soon again too!
I only ever saw Tyranid Titans consistently make it into close combat, because it took so much firepower to drop them. All other Titans were susceptible to critical hit locations being knocked out, usually from being swamped by mass number of shots such as from Imperial Guard heavy weapon companies or artillery companies, or Eldar Titans armed with twin Pulsars and twin lascannon wings. Players that initially thought they could ignore "the little guys" and walk their Titans out, were rapidly disabused of their notions of Titan invulnerability/invincibility.
What game are we talking about again? If we're talking about fluff void shield absorb range fire, and the melee weapon like Arioch fist also come with Vulcan Mega bolter to spray down infantry.
The armor on Reaver are also thick enough to resist many lascannon or earthshaker round directly, while for the Warlords most weapon except destroyer weapon will simply bounce off, assuming they somehow get through (multiple layers of) void shield.
The only reliable way an infantry unit can take down titan is by breaching the hull and kill the crew.
Or they can fly and bring a good enough bomb to detonate the reactor on the back.
Basing the cranes on the ones shown in the Calth black book is a nice touch.
Although I suppose that's still better than the information available on House's Vi, Hyboras and Turbidos?