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Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 00:17:49


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Voss wrote:
FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Well, models are part of the problem. A mental break that so complete that they can't differentiate 'I'm riding my noble steed' from 'oh, no, I'm actually running myself' is so total as to make the person completely nonfunctional. Same in combat- if you think you're swinging a sword and blocking with a shield and relying on armor when you're actually completely naked and trying to claw and bite someone, that just means you're easily killed.
That isn't actually how it works--they don't hallucinate it. They are running, clawing, biting, etc as their actual movements, they simply interpret what their senses are feeding them as something completely different from reality. A ghoul could bite a person's throat out and believe he was instead stabbing him in the neck with a dagger--despite there being next to no sensory input to justify that conclusion. That is what a delusion is; believing something wholly unsupported by available senses/evidence. This is opposed to a hallucination where the information being provided by the senses is false.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 00:42:48


Post by: Overread


There's a neat FEC short story in the horrors section that I think shows off their mental state quite nicely.
https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-horror/whh-aos/he-feasts-forever-eshort-2019.html

FEC are an army who don't on the outside show what their story really is. It's an army who I think will get this reinforced more so when GW get a chance to come back to them and give them a wave of new designs.



Also when it comes to creatures on horesback remember those are not going to be the general ghouls on foot; but things like the part winged lords and beasts. Those who are larger and faster; their minds crippled enough that an inhuman running speed and size messes with their mind into them being atop a powerful war horse or pegasus.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 01:51:31


Post by: Voss


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Voss wrote:
FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Well, models are part of the problem. A mental break that so complete that they can't differentiate 'I'm riding my noble steed' from 'oh, no, I'm actually running myself' is so total as to make the person completely nonfunctional. Same in combat- if you think you're swinging a sword and blocking with a shield and relying on armor when you're actually completely naked and trying to claw and bite someone, that just means you're easily killed.
That isn't actually how it works--they don't hallucinate it. They are running, clawing, biting, etc as their actual movements, they simply interpret what their senses are feeding them as something completely different from reality. A ghoul could bite a person's throat out and believe he was instead stabbing him in the neck with a dagger--despite there being next to no sensory input to justify that conclusion. That is what a delusion is; believing something wholly unsupported by available senses/evidence. This is opposed to a hallucination where the information being provided by the senses is false.


That clarification doesn't help. If reality isn't happening how they perceive or interpret it, they're helpless to whatever actually _is_ happening.
Their fluff has them seeing things that aren't there and not seeing things that are. That simply isn't functional- a tapestry in ragged strips would be perceived as a whole tapestry, and an enemy could hide behind the rags. Its absurd.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 02:28:45


Post by: streetsamurai


Agreed. Calling some of these units cavalry when they are not even riding anything only put emphasis on the shallowness of the range of the FEC. Missed oppurtinity imo as they are a really cool concept.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 03:36:47


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Voss wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Voss wrote:
FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Well, models are part of the problem. A mental break that so complete that they can't differentiate 'I'm riding my noble steed' from 'oh, no, I'm actually running myself' is so total as to make the person completely nonfunctional. Same in combat- if you think you're swinging a sword and blocking with a shield and relying on armor when you're actually completely naked and trying to claw and bite someone, that just means you're easily killed.
That isn't actually how it works--they don't hallucinate it. They are running, clawing, biting, etc as their actual movements, they simply interpret what their senses are feeding them as something completely different from reality. A ghoul could bite a person's throat out and believe he was instead stabbing him in the neck with a dagger--despite there being next to no sensory input to justify that conclusion. That is what a delusion is; believing something wholly unsupported by available senses/evidence. This is opposed to a hallucination where the information being provided by the senses is false.


That clarification doesn't help. If reality isn't happening how they perceive or interpret it, they're helpless to whatever actually _is_ happening.
Their fluff has them seeing things that aren't there and not seeing things that are. That simply isn't functional- a tapestry in ragged strips would be perceived as a whole tapestry, and an enemy could hide behind the rags. Its absurd.
In that example they would see the enemy, know it was there, and still believe it was a whole tapestry despite being able to see through the gaps.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
Agreed. Calling some of these units cavalry when they are not even riding anything only put emphasis on the shallowness of the range of the FEC. Missed oppurtinity imo as they are a really cool concept.
It is a specific case; not all Crypt Horrors see themselves as cavalry, that is just the nature of certain delusions. They are giving people room to make their own army fluff. Further, it is not a 'missed opportunity' it is an opportunity they took to squeeze an army out of a handful of old kits. We have abundant examples in AoS displaying the alternative; being a tiny sub-faction and/or being cut entirely. Given the choice between FEC as we have or FEC analogous to one of the various Aelf factions which do you feel was the better business choice?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 06:45:30


Post by: Duskweaver


Voss wrote:
If reality isn't happening how they perceive or interpret it, they're helpless to whatever actually _is_ happening.

It's not mundane delusion, though. It's a Cartesian Demon situation. The entirely magical curse they are under creatively reinterprets what's going on around them to maintain the illusion, and presumably also reinterprets the signals going from their brains to their muscles so they move and fight in a way that works with what is actually happening.

I agree it's a bit silly when you try to analyse the practicalities of it, but it's not implausible within the context of the AoS setting (i.e. a setting where spells and curses can themselves be intelligent). It's not objectively dafter than zombies and skeletons (e.g. how do they move with no muscles? how do they blow warhorns with no lungs?).

FWIW, I don't personally like the FEC concept and would never play them. Like Necrons and Tyranids in 40K, I just don't have any interest in factions with zero agency. FEC also feel like a bit of a deliberate "Eff you" from GW to Bretonnian players. But they still fit into the setting just as well as any other army concept.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 07:30:20


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


For Skellingtons, the magic provides the relevant musculature


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 08:56:18


Post by: Future War Cultist


I need to say that the new Ogor Tyrant model is sexy. That is all.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 09:18:26


Post by: Duskweaver


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For Skellingtons, the magic provides the relevant musculature

Well that's my point. There's a whole load of things in AoS you can make perfectly plausible-in-setting post hoc rationalisations for. A wizard did it, basically. Magic in AoS has already been established to be able to handle things just as apparently difficult to explain as the FEC curse delusions. What Voss seems to believe is an unexplainable suspension-of-disbelief-wrecking flaw in the FEC concept actually... isn't. The very simple answer is just "A Cartesian Demon Did It".


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 10:12:20


Post by: Overread


Think of the Flesh Easters as thinking on two levels. Their mind is split between the feral monsters that they are and the higher thinking parts of their mind. The higher thinking parts of their brain are basically fooled into thinking they are serfs and knights in vast castles dining on wonderful feasts and jousting etc.. Meanwhile the ghoul part of their body and mind is a raving cannibal with rank breath and feasting on gutted bodies.

It's like an extreme duel personality where both halves are thinking at the same time. Only one half is along for the ride whilst the other is totally a monster.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 11:45:44


Post by: lord_blackfang


It's just a really powerful rationalization that they make to still see themselves as good people despite resorting to cannibalism to survive. Just a few levels beyond smokers who actively disbelieve they are hurting themselves and others. Or people who run someone over and rewrite their memories to make it not their fault.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 13:23:02


Post by: Voss


 Duskweaver wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For Skellingtons, the magic provides the relevant musculature

Well that's my point. There's a whole load of things in AoS you can make perfectly plausible-in-setting post hoc rationalisations for. A wizard did it, basically. Magic in AoS has already been established to be able to handle things just as apparently difficult to explain as the FEC curse delusions. What Voss seems to believe is an unexplainable suspension-of-disbelief-wrecking flaw in the FEC concept actually... isn't. The very simple answer is just "A Cartesian Demon Did It".


Which is probably part of my problem with it. Cartesian philosophy is lazy garbage. He doesn't manage to prove 'I think therefore I am,' he just assumes the existence of a god that wouldn't let demons trick people.

But mostly its because a 'delusion' involves being objectively wrong about the world- that's its flat, or the moon landing didn't happen, an unfaithful spouse isn't, or a grandson is actually a son at the same age.

And from where I sit, a faction who's premise is that its objectively wrong isn't interesting. Possibly its tasteless mockery of people with actual problems, or the entire faction is just stupid. I'm not actually sure which is worse, but neither is intriguing in the least.

@blackfang- that's really uninteresting though. If its desperation and need, morality of cannibalism isn't really an issue (especially if it doesn't also involve murder). If its a cultural norm, cannibalism isn't even morally wrong. There isn't even any point in a reality altering 'delusion' in those cases.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 13:33:47


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Well, that and Nagash thought it was funny.

You can tell by his massive grin.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 13:43:15


Post by: Boss Salvage


I'm not 100% on why we're debating FEC fluff here, but I do agree that GW dropped the ball on helping realize in model-terms what is IMO one of the more impressive faction backgrounds in the post-WHFB world. Naturally, enterprising modellers can take matters into their own hands, like the dude who made this coven throne:
Spoiler:

I could have sworn WarCom did an army showcase on another FEC-as-corrupted-nobility or FEC-as-literal-carnivalesque but I can't seem to dig it up.

Anyway, I too came here to say the new plastic Tyrant is a) awesome and b) about fething time. I've been waiting for a Gutbuster book since we were barfed into this world of realms.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 13:44:25


Post by: stahly


I think the new Death models have to further explore the design language of Nagash, Morghasts and Arkhan. Probably no Skellies, as we already got them in two flavours, but more boney constructs.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 14:49:08


Post by: Duskweaver


Voss wrote:
Cartesian philosophy is lazy garbage. He doesn't manage to prove 'I think therefore I am,' he just assumes the existence of a god that wouldn't let demons trick people.

I agree with you there. But the 'Cartesian Demon' concept itself is a perfectly valid setup for a thought experiment even if the 'logic' Descartes follows after that is nonsense. From what we currently know of neuroscience and cognitive science, it is almost certainly theoretically possible to rewire a human brain to effectively Cartesian Demon them into living in an illusionary world we create. And we might not even be too far away from having the technology to actually do it.

a faction who's premise is that its objectively wrong isn't interesting.

Then I suggest you stay far away from all GW games / settings. Because everyone being objectively wrong is kinda a defining feature...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/25 17:13:57


Post by: streetsamurai


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Voss wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Voss wrote:
FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Well, models are part of the problem. A mental break that so complete that they can't differentiate 'I'm riding my noble steed' from 'oh, no, I'm actually running myself' is so total as to make the person completely nonfunctional. Same in combat- if you think you're swinging a sword and blocking with a shield and relying on armor when you're actually completely naked and trying to claw and bite someone, that just means you're easily killed.
That isn't actually how it works--they don't hallucinate it. They are running, clawing, biting, etc as their actual movements, they simply interpret what their senses are feeding them as something completely different from reality. A ghoul could bite a person's throat out and believe he was instead stabbing him in the neck with a dagger--despite there being next to no sensory input to justify that conclusion. That is what a delusion is; believing something wholly unsupported by available senses/evidence. This is opposed to a hallucination where the information being provided by the senses is false.


That clarification doesn't help. If reality isn't happening how they perceive or interpret it, they're helpless to whatever actually _is_ happening.
Their fluff has them seeing things that aren't there and not seeing things that are. That simply isn't functional- a tapestry in ragged strips would be perceived as a whole tapestry, and an enemy could hide behind the rags. Its absurd.
In that example they would see the enemy, know it was there, and still believe it was a whole tapestry despite being able to see through the gaps.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 streetsamurai wrote:
Agreed. Calling some of these units cavalry when they are not even riding anything only put emphasis on the shallowness of the range of the FEC. Missed oppurtinity imo as they are a really cool concept.
It is a specific case; not all Crypt Horrors see themselves as cavalry, that is just the nature of certain delusions. They are giving people room to make their own army fluff. Further, it is not a 'missed opportunity' it is an opportunity they took to squeeze an army out of a handful of old kits. We have abundant examples in AoS displaying the alternative; being a tiny sub-faction and/or being cut entirely. Given the choice between FEC as we have or FEC analogous to one of the various Aelf factions which do you feel was the better business choice?


Its a missed opportunity cause it seems like its a faction that a lot of persons are interested in, yet having so few kits (and no new ones) pretty much kills all the enthusiasm. If they had given them 2 new kits (instead of releasing yet another stormcast kits that interest 4 or 5 persons), im pretty sure they would have been really popular


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/26 17:27:55


Post by: NinthMusketeer


So they took an opportunity to take a handful of old kits and make a faction people are really interested in without needing to add the significant effort involved in making new kits. To me it seems like they capitalized on their opportunity quite well.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/26 17:29:48


Post by: Crimson


I really wish they would have done some new models, even if it was some clampack hero.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/26 17:47:54


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Crimson wrote:
I really wish they would have done some new models, even if it was some clampack hero.


Well they did do that, he's just not on general sale yet.

Would be nice to get a plastic dual kit Varghulf, that would add a new unit and make the army 100% plastic.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/26 17:56:56


Post by: JSG


 Crimson wrote:
I really wish they would have done some new models, even if it was some clampack hero.


They did and tbh I'm not sure it bodes well for future FEC releases. It seems that what people want is essentially degenerate Bretonnians, with lots of typical GW black humour. What they got was a vampire wearing a pauldron.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/07/26 19:52:26


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
I really wish they would have done some new models, even if it was some clampack hero.


Well they did do that, he's just not on general sale yet.

Would be nice to get a plastic dual kit Varghulf, that would add a new unit and make the army 100% plastic.
That's what I want to see, the current varghulf does not match the aethetic.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 02:25:55


Post by: Andarus


A number of Order units and characters are last chance to buy on the Aus GW page with pre-orders this week.

Last Chance to Buy


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 02:27:58


Post by: Chopstick


RIP the last (plastic) Slayer (that wear pants). He was exiled for the crime of having basic Duardin-decency.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 02:29:27


Post by: nels1031


Chopstick wrote:
RIP the last (plastic) Slayer (that wear pants). He was exiled for the crime of having basic Duardin-decency.


We got THE Slayer coming soon.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 02:32:13


Post by: Chopstick


 nels1031 wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
RIP the last (plastic) Slayer (that wear pants). He was exiled for the crime of having basic Duardin-decency.


We got THE Slayer coming soon.


Gotrek? I'm pretty sure he's resin dude. (Although I hoped that I'm wrong)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 03:52:52


Post by: Voss


Andarus wrote:
A number of Order units and characters are last chance to buy on the Aus GW page with pre-orders this week.

Last Chance to Buy


Wow
WarCom wrote:The arrival of Cities of Sigmar does mean a handful of Order units will be leaving the range and becoming Warhammer Legends later this year.


GW has a hugely different definition of 'handful' than I do (out of 87 aelves, dispossed and free peoples units/characters, they're axing 33)
Some of those kits aren't even that old. The metal (resin) characters aren't a surprise, but they kept the dark elf spears and ditched the glade guard? Crazy stuff.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 04:46:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Voss wrote:
... but they kept the dark elf spears and ditched the glade guard? Crazy stuff.
Aside from practicality (doesn't the Dark Elf kit build 3 different units?), the Wood Elves are being redesigned into Satyrs/Faun/Centaur creatures. That's why the Wood Elf stuff is going bye bye.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 05:25:11


Post by: Knight


I'm starting to suspect that the comment of AoS being a post apocalyptical world with mutated "elves" is true.

Feeling rather sad, to be honest.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 05:26:11


Post by: warl0rdb0b


I'm most surprised by the skycutter and war alter going the way of the dodo, both fit the Aos styling so well with how weird they are.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 05:43:14


Post by: Knight


I had hoped for the Skycutter as it is a really nice kit and mentioned in the background, however, they hadn't shown almost any high elf models (Phoenix Guard and Swift hawk ranger) when the cities of Sigmar was previewed.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 06:11:07


Post by: Binabik15


Oh man, and I never managed to grab the skycutter bird as a bit purchase. The Imperium archers are just getting a rebase, right, next you tell me they'll nuke state troops...sigh.

Will need to get the Freeguild General and the Witch Hunter at least. A lot of sweet Woodies are getting axed as well, but the humans have more immediate use to me.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 06:21:32


Post by: lord_blackfang


F to pay respects

Sad and surprised to see this stuff go.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 06:33:35


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


The Empire/Freeguild archers had been out of stock for the last few days already - had been looking to purchase an additional set. And now they may be gone for good... so much for getting notice.
Indeed, 14/34 kits already can't be ordered on my local website, 9 of which are fully sold out online (wonder if the other 5 will be back before disappearing completely).

EDIT: Ordered the few things I wanted that were still available for purchase. Think I'll scour the full website again in a few days to see if there's anything else I might want to get before it could just disappear unexpectedly.
Wonder how much of GW's "AoS" revenue is people still panic buying old Warhammer Fantasy kits. Probably not a lot, but I'm definitely not the only one...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 06:45:11


Post by: Sotahullu


Well some of these kits are getting rebased (propably).


Edit: And I am taking these words back.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 07:01:14


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Sotahullu wrote:
Well some of these kits are getting rebased (propably).
Most of the Freeguild range requires rebasing however, and the state troops, greatswords, outriders etc. are not in this list.
Interestingly, neither is the plastic Freeguild general on foot, who I don't think could be rebased anyway (one of those plastic characters that comes with a scenic square base on the sprue).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 08:35:10


Post by: Yodhrin


Sotahullu wrote:
Well some of these kits are getting rebased (propably).



If they were getting rebased, they'd just go Temporarily Out of Stock. If they're LCTB, when they're gone they're gone.

I'm really pissed that they're getting rid of the Archers, those are an amazing kit for doing conversions. I have a couple of spare boxes already, but I also have a couple of boxes worth of the old Free Company and I'm much more hesitant to use parts from them now I know I can never get more without paying scalper/"collectible" prices on ebay & now I'll be stuck with the same second-guessing feeling whenever I want to use an Archer body or head. Bah.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 09:54:12


Post by: sockwithaticket


And so the erosion of any 'normal' fantasy stuff continues.

Losing the Wood Elf stuff is particularly galling.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:09:14


Post by: Overread


I'd be shocked if we don't get more dragons from GW, but at the same time its a big shame to see the original plastic dragon going away. I'm also surprised at the glade guard and things like the skycutter and dragon knights etc... There's certainly a few in that list that I fully expected - like the HE swordmasters - but a good few that are quite a shock that GW is pulling from the range.

That said we don't know what they might release in extra for other factions. We could see them add new dragons or eagles to the game or something else akin to them at a future date.

It's a shame to see such a heavy handed pruning of the range, but in the end I think we all sort of knew this day would come when AoS launched. Best we can do is grab what you want and press on to the future and cross our fingers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:14:10


Post by: Sotahullu


Well okay, gonna take my Word back as this came up from GW Newsletter (bit late):

It's your Last Chance to Buy these classic Aelf, Duardin and Free Peoples models! If you've always dreamed of owning these miniatures, this is your final opportunity to secure yours – they're going fast and not coming back.






Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:23:29


Post by: YeOldSaltPotato


Huh, well that goes a long way to answering my question of how quickly they might axe lines. Though I am stunned it was something other than slaves to darkness first.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:28:58


Post by: sockwithaticket


 Overread wrote:
I'd be shocked if we don't get more dragons from GW, but at the same time its a big shame to see the original plastic dragon going away. I'm also surprised at the glade guard and things like the skycutter and dragon knights etc... There's certainly a few in that list that I fully expected - like the HE swordmasters - but a good few that are quite a shock that GW is pulling from the range.

That said we don't know what they might release in extra for other factions. We could see them add new dragons or eagles to the game or something else akin to them at a future date.

It's a shame to see such a heavy handed pruning of the range, but in the end I think we all sort of knew this day would come when AoS launched. Best we can do is grab what you want and press on to the future and cross our fingers.


The finecast characters make sense, plastic troop kits for free peoples, which are hardly well represented by new kits and with no sign of any upcoming, going are an unpleasant surprise.

I worry what's going to happen to the elves. I know they want stuff that's less generic fantasy, but if that means more stuff like those sort of Elves in Beastgrave...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:31:18


Post by: Overread


YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Huh, well that goes a long way to answering my question of how quickly they might axe lines. Though I am stunned it was something other than slaves to darkness first.


How come? Slaves to Darkness are a confirmed faction and honestly don't have much to any real bloat in their range. There'd be no reason to axe them unless they were replacing - though footed mauraders could be dropped in light of warcry warbands replacing them as generic foot warriors.


The Aelf, Dwarf and Human factions getting mashed into 1 single army book spoke of big cuts, bigger than if Aelfs got put into their own book, which is what many were expecting would happen.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:39:46


Post by: silverstu


Sad to see so many great kits and models go but it was always going to happen, plus it clears the way for new fresh ideas for those factions in the future.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:48:50


Post by: Galas


Elven Dragon Princes going out is the only, in my opinion, real loss here. Theres no replacement in the market for that kit, so good, in plastic and cheap.
Normal humans, dwarfs, characters, dragons, theres a ton of options for those even if Im really sad the dwarfs that were previewed in the first WD I bought (January 2006) are going out after all these years. I know warriors and quarrelers were old kits but I always loved them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 10:53:52


Post by: Overread


 silverstu wrote:
Sad to see so many great kits and models go but it was always going to happen, plus it clears the way for new fresh ideas for those factions in the future.


Agreed, but its a huge shame that many high elf players have lost so much and that any potential new aelf armies might not appear until next year at best. Even though GW has teased the two aelf forces of light and dark for ages now, they've still put them on the back burner for a long while. Then again I think they've likely changed the plans for them a dozen times since AoS launched, but its still odd for them to cut such a swathe through the model line today and yet not have an aelf army come out later this year to give restored hope and bolster the support. Instead the only potential new army is a hinted at Death Army which is coming a bit of a surprise in terms of the fact that its not an army that GW has hinted at for years.

If they released that draconic dark aelf force today then the loss of things ilke the high elf dragon and dragonriders would feel like far less of a sting.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 11:13:43


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 silverstu wrote:
Sad to see so many great kits and models go but it was always going to happen, plus it clears the way for new fresh ideas for those factions in the future.
Looking at the stormcast, the new flavours of dwarfs, and now what they're doing with the wood elves, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. I have no specific intention of boycotting Age of Sigmar products, it's just that so far there has been precious little that I like the look of. Too exaggerated, too over-the-top, not grounded enough in reality and tradition. This was of course becoming apparent from the start, but those new elfauns really hammer it home. I have never seen wood elves I disliked until they came along - I'll take the glade guard over them or the tree revenants every day of the week, 52 weeks a year. Or I would have taken them, if they were available for purchase...

Yeez, 26/34 now sold out. So glad I took a few minutes before heading out this morning to order what I wanted, instead of thinking about it a tad longer. Wonder how many were already sold out when GW sent the email...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 11:18:44


Post by: YeOldSaltPotato


 Overread wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Huh, well that goes a long way to answering my question of how quickly they might axe lines. Though I am stunned it was something other than slaves to darkness first.


How come? Slaves to Darkness are a confirmed faction and honestly don't have much to any real bloat in their range. There'd be no reason to axe them unless they were replacing - though footed mauraders could be dropped in light of warcry warbands replacing them as generic foot warriors.


The Aelf, Dwarf and Human factions getting mashed into 1 single army book spoke of big cuts, bigger than if Aelfs got put into their own book, which is what many were expecting would happen.


Mostly because they weren't the ones getting rules, I didn't see a mass purge coming for the folks that did get rules.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 11:33:37


Post by: Overread


 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
Sad to see so many great kits and models go but it was always going to happen, plus it clears the way for new fresh ideas for those factions in the future.
Looking at the stormcast, the new flavours of dwarfs, and now what they're doing with the wood elves, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. I have no specific intention of boycotting Age of Sigmar products, it's just that so far there has been precious little that I like the look of. Too exaggerated, too over-the-top, not grounded enough in reality and tradition. This was of course becoming apparent from the start, but those new elfauns really hammer it home. I have never seen wood elves I disliked until they came along - I'll take the glade guard over them or the tree revenants every day of the week, 52 weeks a year. Or I would have taken them, if they were available for purchase...

Yeez, 26/34 now sold out. So glad I took a few minutes before heading out this morning to order what I wanted, instead of thinking about it a tad longer. Wonder how many were already sold out when GW sent the email...


The last chance went up at the New Zealand time slot for updates - so midnight for the UK. The emails went out far later; and the community site still hasn't got a post. Plus we know GW wasn't holding vast stocks and they don't appear to be casting to order so its basically burning through whatever stock was left over. And that's before we add ebay stores which like to resell who are likely jumping at ordering to put the prices up later.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 11:43:10


Post by: Dudeface


YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
 Overread wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Huh, well that goes a long way to answering my question of how quickly they might axe lines. Though I am stunned it was something other than slaves to darkness first.


How come? Slaves to Darkness are a confirmed faction and honestly don't have much to any real bloat in their range. There'd be no reason to axe them unless they were replacing - though footed mauraders could be dropped in light of warcry warbands replacing them as generic foot warriors.


The Aelf, Dwarf and Human factions getting mashed into 1 single army book spoke of big cuts, bigger than if Aelfs got put into their own book, which is what many were expecting would happen.


Mostly because they weren't the ones getting rules, I didn't see a mass purge coming for the folks that did get rules.


They're purging them because they're getting rules. They'll have evaluated the entire line at once for the release and removed whatever they thought was surplus or didn't work for the new book. If there is a slaves to darkness book on the horizon in sure one or two bits might get dropped.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 11:45:52


Post by: silverstu


 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
Sad to see so many great kits and models go but it was always going to happen, plus it clears the way for new fresh ideas for those factions in the future.
Looking at the stormcast, the new flavours of dwarfs, and now what they're doing with the wood elves, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. I have no specific intention of boycotting Age of Sigmar products, it's just that so far there has been precious little that I like the look of. Too exaggerated, too over-the-top, not grounded enough in reality and tradition. This was of course becoming apparent from the start, but those new elfauns really hammer it home. I have never seen wood elves I disliked until they came along - I'll take the glade guard over them or the tree revenants every day of the week, 52 weeks a year. Or I would have taken them, if they were available for purchase...

Yeez, 26/34 now sold out. So glad I took a few minutes before heading out this morning to order what I wanted, instead of thinking about it a tad longer. Wonder how many were already sold out when GW sent the email...


Yeah its a shame- I saw my dwarfs really were on the way out when AoS first hit - its all about allowing GW to do new things. Fortunately for me I do love the Kharadrons [didn't like the Fyreslayers]. You never know what's coming in the future.. I was shocked by the Kharadrons initially [I've collected dwarfs since 1st Ed ]. AoS is about GW stopping having to continually revisit the same things over and over, they are doing the same with 40k only more slowly I think. Hopefully a new faction will come out that catch your eye, but it does suck when your faction stops being supported model wise.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 12:14:42


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


Blast. 8AM here in the US East Coast, and it looks like I've missed my shot. All the good stuff is gone.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 12:36:10


Post by: AegisGrimm


As a 25-year GW vet it's sad to see a great era finally die.

Luckily, I am a bigger fan of the Ironbreakers/longbeards kits than the older warriors and ranged troops. GW has always had a hard time with their dwarven aesthetic looking good (they all have legs like the grandpa off of King of the Hill).

I just wish they would unify all the modern Dwarf kits into an official "Duardin" faction for AoS. With the current three plastic characters, two remaining dual kits and the Gyrocopter kit, only one or two new kits (like a fully Duardin steam tank) would give them as much variety as, say, Fyreslayers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:00:39


Post by: Crimson


So how is this 'Free Cities' army gonna work if pretty much all characters have been discontinued?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:01:33


Post by: stonehorse


Andarus wrote:
A number of Order units and characters are last chance to buy on the Aus GW page with pre-orders this week.

Last Chance to Buy


Called it! i wish I hadn't, as it is such a shame to see GW purge the last remaining WFB models. I imagine Lizardmen and Skaven will be getting an overhaul soon as well.

 stonehorse wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sorry we discontinued basic Orc Boyz... have a Battletome!


I must have missed that. Just checked the GW site and yeah, gone, along with White Lions, High Elf Spearmen, High Elf Archers, and Empire Knights. I stongly susspect that this book is going to be one last hurrar for the none AoS minis. Once the book and the models have sold out, they'll be gone. It is so sad to see them go, WFB was my go to game since the late 90's, seeing it being shredded like that is just deflating. Sure the world went, but we could at the very least still buy the minis and continue to play.

Maybe I am no longer GW's target, classic fantasy must not have the same appeal as it once did.

At least the artwork is nice.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:03:44


Post by: balmong7


 Crimson wrote:
So how is this 'Free Cities' army gonna work if pretty much all characters have been discontinued?


Probably the characters will just be re-released with round bases in a couple of months.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:09:44


Post by: sockwithaticket


balmong7 wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
So how is this 'Free Cities' army gonna work if pretty much all characters have been discontinued?


Probably the characters will just be re-released with round bases in a couple of months.


Other characters/singe plastics that have gone round base havent gone LCTB before re-appearing have they? eg. Cairn Wraith

LCTB means get it before it's gone forever.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:26:45


Post by: Cataphract


Already been through this with my Lost and the Damned from the Eye of Terror campaign.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:33:17


Post by: Kanluwen


Cataphract wrote:
Already been through this with my Lost and the Damned from the Eye of Terror campaign.

You really haven't though. There's a difference between an army from a campaign supplement that encouraged you to "make the most of your bits box!"(remember the Mutant that was basically just an Ork torso with arms and a peg leg lower body?) and fully supported armies that people built up in a previous iteration of the game.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:36:34


Post by: mortar_crew


balmong7 wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
So how is this 'Free Cities' army gonna work if pretty much all characters have been discontinued?


Probably the characters will just be re-released with round bases in a couple of months.


Orcs boyz and frinds would beg to differ...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:51:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Kanluwen wrote:
You really haven't though. There's a difference between an army from a campaign supplement that encouraged you to "make the most of your bits box!"(remember the Mutant that was basically just an Ork torso with arms and a peg leg lower body?) and fully supported armies that people built up in a previous iteration of the game.
Orks, Catachans and Zombies thankyouverymuch!

Supplemented with some Chaos Marauders they were quite the mini kit.

I imagine the mere thought of such a product these days would send GW into conniptions.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 13:57:09


Post by: Sotahullu


Anyway, I can imagine order book being next in line or coming very soon.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 14:04:32


Post by: nels1031


Well, yeah. We know a Free Cities book is coming.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 14:26:02


Post by: Voss


Sotahullu wrote:
Anyway, I can imagine order book being next in line or coming very soon.


Yep. This was announced at the AoS weekend (or whatever it was called). They announced the book and culling a handful of units. Apparently a handful = a full third, with very little rhyme or reason. Some are going, nigh identical kits from the same period (or older) are staying. Including some giant hand elf kits that are far inferior to what's being tossed out.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 14:46:25


Post by: Kanluwen


Serious question: what "giant hand elf kits" are staying that you know of?

Because I'm thinking you're referring to the Dark Elf Warrior kit...and that is not the "giant hand elf kit". It's not a Morley sculpt, it was done a few years before AoS dropped and came as part of a wave of releases including the Dark Riders, Executioners/Black Guard, and the Assassin/Shadowblade blister.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 14:48:20


Post by: Danny76


In the subject of books.

We know they were doing ‘At Least One’ more book for all four factions still to come.
Was that just before Hedonites? So it being them, Cities and Slaves. Then still a destruction and death to come? (Ogres and this new death character that’s being talked about perhaps?)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 14:57:45


Post by: Kanluwen


Danny76 wrote:
In the subject of books.

We know they were doing ‘At Least One’ more book for all four factions still to come.
Was that just before Hedonites? So it being them, Cities and Slaves. Then still a destruction and death to come? (Ogres and this new death character that’s being talked about perhaps?)

Ogres, Orruks, Free Cities are the three we know about.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 15:05:46


Post by: Overread


Orruks are getting a combined battletome that we know of was was shown at the last event.

Free Cities (Aelves, dwarves and free peoples) also got one spoilt at that last event

Orgres we've not had a tome confirmed, but they have shown one new model and a suggestion that there's a duel army set coming (like Looncurse) so that's a given that Ogres will get one and likely "soon" (ergo this year).

Death has one to come since GW said that each Grand Alliance had "at least one more" Tome to be released. However we've no idea what this could be nor any timeframe on it.


After that we've no news at all. Many thought Slave to Darkness would get a new Tome with Warcry launching, but we've not seen one; but its still a strong contender for this year . Especially as it would also combine Everchosen and thus pretty much nearly complete Chaos. That would let GW end 2019 with 3 completed Grand Alliances and only a few armies in Order, who do already ahve battletomes and just need updated ones (Seraphon, Overlords).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 15:54:48


Post by: Ghaz


 Overread wrote:
Death has one to come since GW said that each Grand Alliance had "at least one more" Tome to be released. However we've no idea what this could be nor any timeframe on it.

Most likely tied to the video we saw recently from the Age of Sigmar Open Day, but there's no confirmation on that.

Spoiler:



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 16:39:41


Post by: Voss


 Kanluwen wrote:
Serious question: what "giant hand elf kits" are staying that you know of?

Because I'm thinking you're referring to the Dark Elf Warrior kit...and that is not the "giant hand elf kit". It's not a Morley sculpt, it was done a few years before AoS dropped and came as part of a wave of releases including the Dark Riders, Executioners/Black Guard, and the Assassin/Shadowblade blister.

They look like big enough hands to me, regardless of who sculpted them. The hornblower's hand is literally the size of his head.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 16:53:50


Post by: JSG


 Kanluwen wrote:
Serious question: what "giant hand elf kits" are staying that you know of?

Because I'm thinking you're referring to the Dark Elf Warrior kit...and that is not the "giant hand elf kit". It's not a Morley sculpt, it was done a few years before AoS dropped and came as part of a wave of releases including the Dark Riders, Executioners/Black Guard, and the Assassin/Shadowblade blister.


I think those were sculpted by Steve Buddle and they have humongous hands.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 17:02:30


Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


Well the "Culling" wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Losing the War Altar seems odd though, as well as the Empire General kit.

Seems mostly the Finecast are going and a good chuck of the elves. I feel sorry for people who use Dragon Princes as a proxy for Blood Knights and missed getting them though.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 18:58:15


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


Just noticed that several of the kits that got culled were part of the mercenary companies rules, like the Dwarf cannon, Organ Gun, and the Empire General.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 19:12:02


Post by: Overread


 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Just noticed that several of the kits that got culled were part of the mercenary companies rules, like the Dwarf cannon, Organ Gun, and the Empire General.


Yeah that was a very odd set of choices - it makes me think one of two things:

1) It's another victim of GW's internal segmentation of staff which results in different departments doing different things without knowing what the other is doing. Causing a backfire when models are removed by one department choice, but another department was pushing sales of them

2) They are iconic enough that GW will bring them back with a new kit in the "future" however the cull had to happen before the release and GW isn't forthcoming on when any release might happen (it might be that its ready to go or that its in the pot for the future - which means that it could well get delayed or cancelled at a latter date).

Either way its not ideal for now for them to push a mercenary force one month and then strip away the models the next.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 19:16:16


Post by: herjan1987


 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Just noticed that several of the kits that got culled were part of the mercenary companies rules, like the Dwarf cannon, Organ Gun, and the Empire General.


Well GW left doesnt now what the right does. Also they are going to resell that book with updated rules Lets not forget the latest Space Wolves codex was invalid before it hit the shelves.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 19:29:16


Post by: Sarouan


It is important to note that the first Ravaged Lands :Graveyard has half of the terrain cards using graveyard models as well parts of the starter set's terrain. So it's not restricted to what is in the Ravaged Lands box only.

I expect the Shattered Stormvault will do the same (especially with that big Sigmar head statue).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 20:22:59


Post by: Egyptian Space Zombie


A follow up to Orcs and Goblins I guess. AOS is such a mess. I'll chalk it up to the change in management and the long time that it takes GW to create new stuff, but you have multiple armies getting squatted a few years into a game's life, after having done the same thing before when introducing the said game system. It just creates a bad feeling for anyone who bought one of these armies hoping to play AoS, only to find that their army is going bye-bye.

It's funny because the difference between 40k and AoS is night and day. That said, it's also why I won't spend another dollar on vanilla marines right now.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 21:31:11


Post by: Tim the Biovore


There go my Swifthawk plans. Oh well.

Not like GW aren't getting my money anyway with Warcry, so they've lost nothing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 21:34:18


Post by: Future War Cultist


I know that they’re trying to tidy up AoS, but I can’t help but wonder how their recent decisions will pan out. I’m hoping that they’re planning to build upon the humans, aelves and duardin rather than gradually getting rid of them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 21:52:55


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Something that has been mentioned multiple times in fluff now is Necromancers being carried on zombie-palanquins. Normally I would disregard as a one-off sort of thing but I can recall three instances now; a malign portents short story, the Soul Wars novel, and the Forbidden Power book. Perhaps something coming in the new battletome?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 21:53:18


Post by: Danny76


Ah yeah the Orruk book.. so technically Ogres could be next year and their claim still true..

But Chaos, even if StD doesn’t come for them, the Hedonites book was after that announcement right?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 22:36:32


Post by: Tastyfish


Lot of square bases on that last chance to buy. Haven't somethings gone that way and then come back rebased?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 22:38:54


Post by: Ghaz


Tastyfish wrote:
Lot of square bases on that last chance to buy. Haven't somethings gone that way and then come back rebased?

From the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook page:

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 23:06:11


Post by: Danny76


As above.

But also no.
Anything last chance to buy has never come back as far as I know.
When things were being rebased they just went Temp out of stock.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/03 23:07:42


Post by: Kanluwen


Danny76 wrote:
As above.

But also no.
Anything last chance to buy has never come back as far as I know.
When things were being rebased they just went Temp out of stock.

Not necessarily. If they were Direct Only items(which would mean they get sent in white boxes) then yes they just went temporarily out of stock.
Items that were in store at the time went "No Longer Available" and then were repackaged into a fresh packaging set.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 08:38:28


Post by: ImAGeek


Danny76 wrote:
Ah yeah the Orruk book.. so technically Ogres could be next year and their claim still true..

But Chaos, even if StD doesn’t come for them, the Hedonites book was after that announcement right?


No, it was before. They said that at Warhammerfest, and the Slaanesh stuff was available to buy there (I was umming and ahhing over the KoS for a good while in the shop). The Chaos tome could be Tzeentch 2.0 though, I think a lot of the Tzeentch book has been errata’d now.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 09:20:29


Post by: Danny76


 Kanluwen wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
As above.

But also no.
Anything last chance to buy has never come back as far as I know.
When things were being rebased they just went Temp out of stock.

Not necessarily. If they were Direct Only items(which would mean they get sent in white boxes) then yes they just went temporarily out of stock.
Items that were in store at the time went "No Longer Available" and then were repackaged into a fresh packaging set.


But No Longer Available and Temporarily Out Of Stock are both not the Last Chance To Buy Status.
I’m talking Last Chance. Nothing that went that has ever come back. Right?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Ah yeah the Orruk book.. so technically Ogres could be next year and their claim still true..

But Chaos, even if StD doesn’t come for them, the Hedonites book was after that announcement right?


No, it was before. They said that at Warhammerfest, and the Slaanesh stuff was available to buy there (I was umming and ahhing over the KoS for a good while in the shop). The Chaos tome could be Tzeentch 2.0 though, I think a lot of the Tzeentch book has been errata’d now.


Ah ok. Well that’s good. As potentially it would be Slaves. But yeah I suppose could be an easy book update and count..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 09:34:37


Post by: Mr_Rose


Danny76 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
As above.

But also no.
Anything last chance to buy has never come back as far as I know.
When things were being rebased they just went Temp out of stock.

Not necessarily. If they were Direct Only items(which would mean they get sent in white boxes) then yes they just went temporarily out of stock.
Items that were in store at the time went "No Longer Available" and then were repackaged into a fresh packaging set.


But No Longer Available and Temporarily Out Of Stock are both not the Last Chance To Buy Status.
I’m talking Last Chance. Nothing that went that has ever come back. Right?

Technically, some LCtB items have returned, very, very briefly, as Made to Order items, but no, no LCtB item I’m aware of has ever returned to regular stock.
Some of them have, however, been replaced by similar (or nearly identical) items later, for example the Forge World Thunderhawk.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 12:09:18


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I feel sorry for people who use Dragon Princes as a proxy for Blood Knights and missed getting them though.
That was the first thing a friend of mine said: "How will people field Blood Knights now?"


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 12:29:08


Post by: Kanluwen


Danny76 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
As above.

But also no.
Anything last chance to buy has never come back as far as I know.
When things were being rebased they just went Temp out of stock.

Not necessarily. If they were Direct Only items(which would mean they get sent in white boxes) then yes they just went temporarily out of stock.
Items that were in store at the time went "No Longer Available" and then were repackaged into a fresh packaging set.


But No Longer Available and Temporarily Out Of Stock are both not the Last Chance To Buy Status.
I’m talking Last Chance. Nothing that went that has ever come back. Right?

No, but you didn't actually say that in your post. You said that "when things were being rebased they just went temp out of stock". That's not true. If it was a case of something that was Direct Only(which didn't have SKUs on the boxes but rather the boxes are plain white with a barcode slapped on as needed), it would go temporarily out of stock---while if it was something stocked in shops, it went "No Longer Available" as it became a new SKU.

Commodus Leitdorf wrote:I feel sorry for people who use Dragon Princes as a proxy for Blood Knights and missed getting them though.

Personally, I'd use the Morgul Knights from the LOTR range. They're a bit smaller than some stuff is, but damn they look good:
Spoiler:


Also, 6 for 35 with variable parts ain't too bad.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 13:44:29


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Morgul knights with the shield upgrade pack, Kan beat me to it!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 13:52:16


Post by: Danny76


Ah ok, I 2s reading you reply as in regard to these going away rather than those options. I’m not too up on which means which when it comes to Temp out and No Longer Available.
To be honest I haven’t had need to buy any new kits in almost two years, just been noticing the LCTB stuff when it went etc


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 13:58:43


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Morgul knights with the shield upgrade pack, Kan beat me to it!


Having owned all three kits, the Morgul Knights will unfortunately look frickin' tiny next to any other units. The current Blood Knights dwarf them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/04 15:45:07


Post by: Kanluwen


 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Morgul knights with the shield upgrade pack, Kan beat me to it!


Having owned all three kits, the Morgul Knights will unfortunately look frickin' tiny next to any other units. The current Blood Knights dwarf them.

To be fair, Blood Knights were always weird. They were hero cavalry units and priced accordingly.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/05 10:24:58


Post by: tneva82


 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Morgul knights with the shield upgrade pack, Kan beat me to it!


Having owned all three kits, the Morgul Knights will unfortunately look frickin' tiny next to any other units. The current Blood Knights dwarf them.


Seeing they are 25mm true scale rather than heroic 28mm...no surprise. They are completely different scale.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/05 16:17:19


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Excellent, they shall deceive the opponent into thinking they are weaker models!

There's always the mantic option. They don't look terrible.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/05 16:20:00


Post by: Mr_Rose


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Excellent, they shall deceive the opponent into thinking they are weaker models!

Or possibly just slightly further away.*
Either is an exploitable tactical opportunity though.




*miniatures in this scale may be closer than they appear.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/06 05:52:46


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Not sure if they're easy to find (likely cheaper than any actual Blood Knights ever were though...), but the first incarnation of the Morgul Knights, in metal, would be a bit more in-scale with Warhammer figures. They (and the dismounts, Black Númenóreans, which are still sold) were pretty badly out of scale with the rest of the range, in other words closer to what you'd be looking for. The plastics look much better, but they will indeed be pretty tiny, which may not be what you'd want for your most impressive unit.
Although looking at the posts above, it may also be just what you want. There's something to consider for the future...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/06 06:55:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, Blood Knights were always weird. They were hero cavalry units and priced accordingly.
I do hope you mean in points...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There's always the mantic option. They don't look terrible.
Yeah but then you'd have to buy something from Mantic, and if you start down that road soon you'll be buying Produs products and no one wants that!




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/06 14:40:02


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair, Blood Knights were always weird. They were hero cavalry units and priced accordingly.
I do hope you mean in points...
Unfortunately for you they are sold out in Australia right now, probably due to being such a bargain!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/06 17:00:55


Post by: Skaln


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I feel sorry for people who use Dragon Princes as a proxy for Blood Knights and missed getting them though.
That was the first thing a friend of mine said: "How will people field Blood Knights now?"


I've always used the alternate build from the Doomfire Warlock kit to make Blood Knights. The Dark Riders aren't quite as heavily armored but they look the part to me.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/07 02:26:27


Post by: Baragash


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Excellent, they shall deceive the opponent into thinking they are weaker models!

There's always the mantic option. They don't look terrible.


Why would you punish yourself by having to clean and assemble Mantic’s armoured horses?! [/bitterexperience]


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/13 21:53:10


Post by: Cataphract


Looks like Forbidden Power is ramping up again this week.

Free Battleplan: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/13/forbidden-power-ritual-carnagegw-homepage-post-3/

Short Story that goes with the BP: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/12/tarnished-silver/


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/13 22:37:50


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Where the bad moon rises, the Loonking follows


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/13 22:41:14


Post by: Voss


I'm not clear what this is supposed to tell us about Forbidden Power.

Despite the confusion of the Point of View character in the story, it seems a straightforward Grots vs Arcanites battle.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/13 23:01:52


Post by: Mr Morden


I really wish they would make Celemnis, the Silver Maiden of Elixia a proper character


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/13 23:13:27


Post by: Ghaz


Voss wrote:
I'm not clear what this is supposed to tell us about Forbidden Power.

Despite the confusion of the Point of View character in the story, it seems a straightforward Grots vs Arcanites battle.

From Warhammer Community:

Over the next few months, we’ll be bringing you themed weeks that explore different sides of the war for the Stormvaults, providing a wider perspective on the conflict and offering more hints as to how the future may unfold. Every Forbidden Power week will bring with it new fiction exploring new corners of the Mortal Realms, plus a battleplan allowing you to recreate conflicts therein. Of course, you can use these rules to inspire your own campaigns and alongside the Stormvault campaign system in Forbidden Power. If, for example, you want to see how, say, Ogors might have fared in the siege of Lake Lethis, then go for it!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/13 23:54:28


Post by: Voss


Right, well quoted.

So... how does 'Oh, horror, I want to die while goblins kill cultists' do any of that?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/14 04:22:06


Post by: NinthMusketeer


It helps do what they are saying; new fiction exploring different corners of the realm. Pretty direct relationship.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/14 04:28:14


Post by: Wunzlez


Backtracking to blood Knights a little, GameZone miniatures used to do some ok vampire cavalry.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:16:21


Post by: DaveC


Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit

Ogor Rumours

- Resin minis removed
- New Butcher mini - no Cauldron
- Cauldron is now a terrain piece
- Endless spells, Maw, Everwinter Storm, "Floating Meat" spell
- Combined tome with BCR.

Tzeentch is the final battletome this year.

Slaves to Darkness now next year.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:25:47


Post by: lord_blackfang


Hm, if they were going that far east they missed a chance to do terracotta warriors instead :(

Sounds nice tho. Especially Tzeentch coming this year.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:26:31


Post by: Boss Salvage


New KOW rulebooks, also new Ogre book, also new Tzeentch book? Expensive Q4 for me


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:33:52


Post by: godswildcard


I'm very interested in those Mongolian skeletons....

I've been wanting to give AoS the proper college try, but it's tough for me to find a faction I really like. I do enjoy the undead...so this will be worth waiting for for me!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:34:55


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Mongolian theme? Sold.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:36:28


Post by: Cronch


Assuming the usual salt mines for any rumors, sounds neat. Steppe Nomad Skellies have a lot of potential.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:40:19


Post by: Sotahullu


I would expect there being new Deathrattle/Skeletons models in archery flavor with upcoming Death book. But I don't know about it being eastern/mongolian type as I could imagine those new archery models being compatible with current deathrattle models (in style atleast).







Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 13:45:32


Post by: Carlovonsexron


sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year, but Mongolian or.otherwise east asian themed undead might finally convince to get some undead for RPG purposes (I'd sooner expect Chinese themed, and casual onlookers to not really know any better, kind.of like whole Idoneth debacle)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 15:28:50


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I'd be tempted if they went for some skelies along those lines.

GW never really went too deep into Eastern styles for their figures, save for the odd ninja or two back in the day.

Sad if that's the case with the Darkoath. At least we've got WarCry to give us something new to mess with for the time being.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 15:44:24


Post by: Ghaz


Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 15:53:15


Post by: Eldarain


Hoping Tyrion and Teclis get their army after the great 2.0 Tome consolidation is complete.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 16:03:22


Post by: Carlovonsexron


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd be tempted if they went for some skelies along those lines.

GW never really went too deep into Eastern styles for their figures, save for the odd ninja or two back in the day.

Sad if that's the case with the Darkoath. At least we've got WarCry to give us something new to mess with for the time being.


The Cyphers lords have a strong Wuxia influence in them, so it would be cool as a a sign of things to come. I've always thought that elves would be cool with a samurai theme, for example...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 16:14:26


Post by: Kanluwen


 Ghaz wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.

I'm leaning towards "Mount" being for stuff like Zombie Dragons/Terrorgheists, Chariots, Dragons, etc.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 18:52:55


Post by: Hanskrampf


 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit

Ogor Rumours

- Resin minis removed
- New Butcher mini - no Cauldron
- Cauldron is now a terrain piece
- Endless spells, Maw, Everwinter Storm, "Floating Meat" spell
- Combined tome with BCR.

Tzeentch is the final battletome this year.

Slaves to Darkness now next year.


That's 4chan rumours, so take with a ton of salt.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 18:54:31


Post by: Cronch


Oh. Considering /aosg invents rumors just for fun, the amount of salt i'd suggest is one Carthage's worth.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 20:48:26


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 21:22:10


Post by: Kanluwen


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

The Beastclaw Raiders combining with the new one is at least accurate, or was per reports from the AoS Open Day.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 21:30:22


Post by: Mr Morden


 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit
.


Some non human undead is long long overdue.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 22:49:22


Post by: Theophony


 Mr Morden wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Warhammer Weekly has some rumours on the new Death Faction and the Ogors. Take with whatever amount of salt for now but from what I've seen before they are usually in the know.

Likely to be released at the same time possibly with a new set? Late October release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN83SE-bLw

Rumours for new Death Faction

- "Mongolian" type aesthetic or at least non European in design
- Skeleton based - new archers and mounted archers kit(s)
- Skeleton Ogor unit
.


Some non human undead is long long overdue.

If they bring in some terra cotta warriors as either constructs or as an opposing forced m all good.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 23:29:56


Post by: Eumerin


While I'm all in favor of a differently-themed undead group (I have zero interest in the existing gothic-inspired stuff), I'm puzzled at the idea that they would go to Asia for inspiration right now. After all, there's a pre-existing non-gothic undead army that already existed in WFB, doesn't match up with any of the existing themes in AoS, and has always looked visually striking and distinct on the table.

That woukd be the Tomb Kings, of course.

By all means, GW should branch out and away from the boring and tiresome gothic themes. But for the first such army, it would make more sense to go with the one that already has a fan base and existing lore.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/15 23:48:21


Post by: Carlovonsexron


They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 00:26:40


Post by: Arbitrator


Can't wait for all the white knights to shriek with delight at 'Mongolian Skeletons' whilst, without irony, claim Tomb Kings were bad because they're 'Egyptian Skeletons'.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 01:55:08


Post by: Eumerin


For what it's worth, the dark elves appeared to have some East Asian influences in their design. It wasn't something that was frequently commented on, and the designs weren't purely Asian. But the influence was there.

Of course, the only new Dark Elves that we've seen so far - Morathi's Daughters of Khaine - have a strong ancient Greek influence that mostly builds off of elements introduced in the final Dark Elf army book. We still only have the vaguest ideas about how Malekith's group of elves will look.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 02:46:41


Post by: Carnikang


Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )


I thought China had a thing about bones/depictions of death? Or is that only in visual media like video games?



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 03:44:09


Post by: Carlovonsexron


I wouldn't know anything about specific rules regarding depictions of death, but Japanese/influences of horror stuff is as popular there as anywhere, I think.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 04:09:48


Post by: Grensche


Are Greenskinz making a come back combined with Gitmob Grots? :0)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 07:05:42


Post by: terry


 Ghaz wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.


it appears the eel-riders already have the mount runemark


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 07:08:53


Post by: ImAGeek


terry wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
sad to see my long awaited darkoaths getting pushed to next year...

Since there's a couple of Fighter Runemarks we haven't seen used yet for Warcry (i.e., Behemoth and Mount) and two more warbands, it makes sense to hold off on a Darkoath battletome if these new units are coming relatively soon so they can be in it.


it appears the eel-riders already have the mount runemark


No, they have the Fly runemark.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 07:17:29


Post by: Cronch


 Carnikang wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )


I thought China had a thing about bones/depictions of death? Or is that only in visual media like video games?


From what I understand, there are no official rules censoring skeletons in games (as in undead skeletons, not just bones), but companies self-censor to avoid the non-existent censorship of "magically moving dead". So...you know, it's not censored because everyone knows it'd be censored.


As for new armies, I did notice that Forbidden Powers mentions Grotbag Scuttlers again in relation to Kharadrons in one short paragraph. And they're capitalized, unlike some other random threats. Obviously it's conjecture, but I'd say it's likely we'll have flying grots at some point.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 09:13:11


Post by: Overread


From what I gather about China its more that most western products/games for that market has to jump through a lot of hoops and investment to ready themselves - translation etc.... and marketing. Then when it comes to the approval board it can be very hit and miss on if something gets in or not. It's not a consistent system that works to rigid guidelines.

Therefore there's an informal block of things that got other products refused entry into the market and skeletons is on that list. So games that want to market there and have an easier time and less risk of refusal often remove/edit/change those components to reduce the potential risk.


I believe its different to releasing in many other countries, even those with strict limits, because many others work with a bit more consistency. We also hear about it more because its such a huge market if you fail to gain entry it can be a massive blow to a company, whilst if you gain entry you've got millions upon millions of potential customers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 10:45:33


Post by: Eldarsif


 Overread wrote:
From what I gather about China its more that most western products/games for that market has to jump through a lot of hoops and investment to ready themselves - translation etc.... and marketing. Then when it comes to the approval board it can be very hit and miss on if something gets in or not. It's not a consistent system that works to rigid guidelines.

Therefore there's an informal block of things that got other products refused entry into the market and skeletons is on that list. So games that want to market there and have an easier time and less risk of refusal often remove/edit/change those components to reduce the potential risk.


I believe its different to releasing in many other countries, even those with strict limits, because many others work with a bit more consistency. We also hear about it more because its such a huge market if you fail to gain entry it can be a massive blow to a company, whilst if you gain entry you've got millions upon millions of potential customers.


Yep, this is pretty much spot on. The board is very strict about what they will allow a western publisher to bring into Chinese markets. Basically a company will go through a pruning system where they will remove what is deemed "problematic" and then submit it to the board. They will then accept or refuse it and it is back to the cutting board.

The strange thing about all of this is that once your product is approved you can add skeletons and skulls into it later as an addition as the review thing is not something that is ongoing unless that's been changed recently.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 11:27:42


Post by: Geifer


I can take or leave Mongolian skeletons, but it would be nice to see non-human skeletons come true. Especially ogres and other medium sized stuff that has traditionally been left out.

Even if these rumors are false, I wonder how a snowstorm endless spell from GW would turn out looking. I hope ogres get something like that. Could be fun and have other applications. I really liked the skeleton bridge in that regard that can easily be used as moody terrain instead.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 12:38:29


Post by: Oguhmek


Cronch wrote:
 Carnikang wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )


I thought China had a thing about bones/depictions of death? Or is that only in visual media like video games?


From what I understand, there are no official rules censoring skeletons in games (as in undead skeletons, not just bones), but companies self-censor to avoid the non-existent censorship of "magically moving dead". So...you know, it's not censored because everyone knows it'd be censored.


As for new armies, I did notice that Forbidden Powers mentions Grotbag Scuttlers again in relation to Kharadrons in one short paragraph. And they're capitalized, unlike some other random threats. Obviously it's conjecture, but I'd say it's likely we'll have flying grots at some point.


Phil Kelly mentioned both the Grotbag Scuttlers and some kind of airborne Skaven the other day on the Warhammer Live stream, in relation to KO in Chamon. The way he said it made me take note, because it sounded like they’ve been working on their lore.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 12:51:31


Post by: terry


I would love a grotbag scuttlers army


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 13:00:05


Post by: Overread


 Eldarsif wrote:
 Overread wrote:
From what I gather about China its more that most western products/games for that market has to jump through a lot of hoops and investment to ready themselves - translation etc.... and marketing. Then when it comes to the approval board it can be very hit and miss on if something gets in or not. It's not a consistent system that works to rigid guidelines.

Therefore there's an informal block of things that got other products refused entry into the market and skeletons is on that list. So games that want to market there and have an easier time and less risk of refusal often remove/edit/change those components to reduce the potential risk.


I believe its different to releasing in many other countries, even those with strict limits, because many others work with a bit more consistency. We also hear about it more because its such a huge market if you fail to gain entry it can be a massive blow to a company, whilst if you gain entry you've got millions upon millions of potential customers.


Yep, this is pretty much spot on. The board is very strict about what they will allow a western publisher to bring into Chinese markets. Basically a company will go through a pruning system where they will remove what is deemed "problematic" and then submit it to the board. They will then accept or refuse it and it is back to the cutting board.

The strange thing about all of this is that once your product is approved you can add skeletons and skulls into it later as an addition as the review thing is not something that is ongoing unless that's been changed recently.


It honestly strikes me as the kind of system whereby approval or rejection can be based on the impression of one or two power players within the board or just the luck of the draw on who reviews the content on a particular day. When you've got hit and miss themes that can be rejected but also approved without question with no set pattern it suggests some kind of internal issue. It also suggests a potential corruption within the system which might be outside parties paying extra to get approval or even just internal politics and powerplay within the board. Who knows (save the board); but suffice it to say that if GW can get in there then clearly skulls can't be all that bad!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 13:03:40


Post by: D6Damager


Carlovonsexron wrote:
They might want some of that sweet, sweet Chinese money. You can trust me when I day they enjoy being pandered to.

I suspect it might also make a good splash in Japan. I also think there's a bunch of Taiwanese people who would love it, so.it makes perfect sense to me as a move to try to expand their market ( if it's even true. )


Winner winner chicken dinner!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 13:25:51


Post by: Sacredroach


If they do make a move towards a Death-Terracotta-style army, I'm all in. Of course, since I already have a TON of Watchful I TC warriors...and more coming from Zenit...I suspect I would be in for Characters and unique stuff only.

And scenery. I would love to see some Chinese GW-touched scenery.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 13:49:53


Post by: EnTyme


I would be cautious about taking a rumored theme at face value. Remember when the Deepkin were first rumored as being "Cthulhu Elves"? If anything, their actual aesthetic is a mixture of Chinese and Greek. The rumored undead army has already gone from Mongol Skeletons to Terra Cotta Mummies in two pages.

Kanluwen wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

The Beastclaw Raiders combining with the new one is at least accurate, or was per reports from the AoS Open Day.


Blind squirrels and broken clocks, Kan. Blind squirrels and broken clocks.

Arbitrator wrote:Can't wait for all the white knights to shriek with delight at 'Mongolian Skeletons' whilst, without irony, claim Tomb Kings were bad because they're 'Egyptian Skeletons'.


. . . what are you even talking about?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 15:10:17


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Grotbag Scuttlers will definitely be a thing. They were first name dropped back when KO hit, and have since made numerous cameos. Forbidden power fluff and a few other sources have put Skryre as a/the third "sky ship" faction. I would expect we see them both in the next few years.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 15:18:06


Post by: Overread


I don't know about skyship factions. Almost makes me feel that with skyships and walking cities GW is gearing up for Warmaster AoS style. Esp when factions like skaven have such a huge roster already that needs updating but also gives them practically every tool they need.

Plus the way the realms are pretty much any faction can have a story reason to steal or use airships. Even Flesh Eaters. Some of it is stuff GW might amke into models; the rest is just ideas for conversions.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 15:40:04


Post by: Eumerin


My recollection is that the Cthulu Elves thing started with the dark elf character for the quest boardgame. If it got attached to the Idoneth, that was purely "we think some elves are going to get this, and here are some unfamiliar elves, so it will probably be them." Obviously, it wasn't the Idoneth. But we're still missing a Dark Elf off-shoot faction that we know almost nothing about.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 16:53:35


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


A plastic warmaster range with skyships and giant monsters to battle walking cities would certainly be a game I could get behind.

I'd be far more inclined to play a large scale game when the figures can be put into units that take up a lot less space.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 16:55:11


Post by: Crimson


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A plastic warmaster range with skyships and giant monsters to battle walking cities would certainly be a game I could get behind.

This certainly sounds appealing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 16:57:24


Post by: Overread


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A plastic warmaster range with skyships and giant monsters to battle walking cities would certainly be a game I could get behind.

I'd be far more inclined to play a large scale game when the figures can be put into units that take up a lot less space.



Exactly!
Whilst big things are fun in warhammmer and 40K games they can get to be just too big and too dominating and sometimes you get get the same feel when your super huge model sweeps in and in a turn kills 3 enemy marines. I honestly hope we might see Warmaster arise again for AoS. The setting, lore and whole idea behind the game plays brilliantly into it and it would let GW put things like cogforts and mobile cities and huge airships and giant wandering monsters into the game in a way that is practical and affordable and sensible for most gamers. I'd also really love to see them do it with rank and file infantry. A way to not only represent blocks of infantry in a sensibel way but giving a chance to bring back some of the Old Warhammer themes and ideals that many gamers still love.


Still AT hasn't even evolved into Epic so I figure we are thinking 10 years away or more before Warmaster. Heck I'd wager its going to take a bunch of yeares just to get AoS onto all modern plastic sculpts.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 18:04:17


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I don't thing Games Workshop has any interest in creating a whole new range of models in a different scale. If there ever is a new version of Warmaster, it would probably come from the forgeworld specialist team, and probably wouldn't be very good.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 18:07:18


Post by: Eldarain


Eumerin wrote:
My recollection is that the Cthulu Elves thing started with the dark elf character for the quest boardgame. If it got attached to the Idoneth, that was purely "we think some elves are going to get this, and here are some unfamiliar elves, so it will probably be them." Obviously, it wasn't the Idoneth. But we're still missing a Dark Elf off-shoot faction that we know almost nothing about.

Probably came from the Deepkin/Deep Ones line of thinking.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 18:23:04


Post by: Kanluwen


 EnTyme wrote:
I would be cautious about taking a rumored theme at face value. Remember when the Deepkin were first rumored as being "Cthulhu Elves"? If anything, their actual aesthetic is a mixture of Chinese and Greek. The rumored undead army has already gone from Mongol Skeletons to Terra Cotta Mummies in two pages.

To be fair, part of that is just the wishlisting.


Kanluwen wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

The Beastclaw Raiders combining with the new one is at least accurate, or was per reports from the AoS Open Day.


Blind squirrels and broken clocks, Kan. Blind squirrels and broken clocks.

Nah, my point was that it was something we already had been told.

Arbitrator wrote:Can't wait for all the white knights to shriek with delight at 'Mongolian Skeletons' whilst, without irony, claim Tomb Kings were bad because they're 'Egyptian Skeletons'.


. . . what are you even talking about?

Who knows.

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 19:42:29


Post by: EnTyme


The Cthulhu Elves thing quickly turned into Lovecraftian Elves, which turned into wishlisting, which turned into outrage at GW for failing to live up to promises they never made. Just trying to get people to set their expectations based off of what we know, not what's been rumored. That way you're not disappointed when "Mongolian-themed Skeletons" turn out to be skeleton archers with three yuan helmets on the sprue.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 19:46:05


Post by: Voss


 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.


Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 19:50:20


Post by: Kanluwen


Voss wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.


Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.



Sandals weren't exactly a common motif for Tzeentch.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 20:08:17


Post by: skullking


Voss wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.


Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.




Well, 40k Tzeentch has always had an Egyptian flair, but I don't really recall much if any in Fantasy. Tzeentch always just blended in with the baseline chaos stuff, like Slaanesh. Khorne had spiky stuff, and Nurgle had an almost Roman Gladiator aesthetic. They've really leaned into the Egyptian them more now in AoS, than at any other point in time. Perhaps that's just so units like the Tzaanagors work well with the look of 40k Thousand son stuff. Perhaps old Setra is working with (or controlled by, I would guess) Tzeentch in some way?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 21:03:35


Post by: Eumerin


 skullking wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.


Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.




Well, 40k Tzeentch has always had an Egyptian flair, but I don't really recall much if any in Fantasy. Tzeentch always just blended in with the baseline chaos stuff, like Slaanesh. Khorne had spiky stuff, and Nurgle had an almost Roman Gladiator aesthetic. They've really leaned into the Egyptian them more now in AoS, than at any other point in time. Perhaps that's just so units like the Tzaanagors work well with the look of 40k Thousand son stuff. Perhaps old Setra is working with (or controlled by, I would guess) Tzeentch in some way?



Say it with me, on 3...

1

2

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! HE RULES!



As for Egyptian themes and Tzeentch, yeah the Thousand Sons have had that for a long time now (though not as pronounced as the Necrons).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 22:01:00


Post by: Kanluwen


Thousand Sons does not the entirety of the Tzeentchian range make.


There's a reason why I specifically called out the Disciples of Tzeentch rather than just generally saying Tzeentch.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/16 22:16:45


Post by: Eumerin


 Kanluwen wrote:
Thousand Sons does not the entirety of the Tzeentchian range make.


There's a reason why I specifically called out the Disciples of Tzeentch rather than just generally saying Tzeentch.


But they're all part of the GW range. And so its existence in the 1K Sons is almost certainly what's influencing the newer stuff.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 00:38:10


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


Eumerin wrote:


As for Egyptian themes and Tzeentch, yeah the Thousand Sons have had that for a long time now (though not as pronounced as the Necrons).


Just the Newcrons. They used to just be 'The Terminator'. Now they're Tomb Kings in Space(TM).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 05:54:01


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Eumerin wrote:


As for Egyptian themes and Tzeentch, yeah the Thousand Sons have had that for a long time now (though not as pronounced as the Necrons).


Just the Newcrons. They used to just be 'The Terminator'. Now they're Tomb Kings in Space(TM).



Its become more pronounced in there background certainly. But the Necron range has always had an Egyptian influence, ever since the first metal models.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 06:54:52


Post by: Overread


Necrons always had that Egyptian influence - scarabs and lords were very egyptian and were some of the very first models whilst the Monoliths were very early releases too.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 07:02:36


Post by: AduroT


Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 11:02:35


Post by: balmong7


 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.


Just look at the new sisters. It's like someone said "I want this model range to be as infuriating to paint as possible. put as many small details on there as possible!"


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 11:26:11


Post by: Mr Morden


 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.


There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 11:34:13


Post by: Carlovonsexron


Yeah, let's hope Kirby wra.space.wolves are the high watermark of that sort of thing.

As for.all.the details on the sisters,.I think it's actually am.effprt.to.gelp everyone have ornate, baroque models as befit Inperial elite forces without needing to become a master.of freehand painting. So I'm all for it...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 18:32:16


Post by: Eumerin


 Mr Morden wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.


There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything



Space Wolves are also a pretty good example of how the thematic stuff gets more pronounced. In the earlier releases, they were simply an unconventional chapter that had thematic names for squads, and the wulfen curse. Things like Thunderwolf Cavalry didn't come until much later.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 19:00:28


Post by: Mr_Rose


Eumerin wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.


There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything



Space Wolves are also a pretty good example of how the thematic stuff gets more pronounced. In the earlier releases, they were simply an unconventional chapter that had thematic names for squads, and the wulfen curse. Things like Thunderwolf Cavalry didn't come until much later.

Weren’t the space wolves the first marine chapter to even get a codex? Way back in 2nd edition I remember reading my Codex Space Wolves when the white dwarf announcing the new Codex Ultramarines came through the door. And the codex format didn’t exist before 2nd edition, not in the sense we know it today.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 19:19:20


Post by: Mr Morden


 Mr_Rose wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.


There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything



Space Wolves are also a pretty good example of how the thematic stuff gets more pronounced. In the earlier releases, they were simply an unconventional chapter that had thematic names for squads, and the wulfen curse. Things like Thunderwolf Cavalry didn't come until much later.

Weren’t the space wolves the first marine chapter to even get a codex? Way back in 2nd edition I remember reading my Codex Space Wolves when the white dwarf announcing the new Codex Ultramarines came through the door. And the codex format didn’t exist before 2nd edition, not in the sense we know it today.


The first true Amry lists were in the Book of the Astronomican - mines falling apart sadly - Wolves are not the one in the boo but they do have a cool campaign in the same book.

Space Wolves jumped the wolf big time - I can;t think of any fantasy armies going anywhere near that far?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/17 23:30:39


Post by: ingtaer



Bit off topic here, this is the News and Rumours thread for AOS. If you want to continue that discussion please make a new thread for it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 16:14:18


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m thinking a skeleton focussed Undead army?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 16:16:04


Post by: Souleater


Looks intriguing!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 16:19:10


Post by: Equinox


I imagine since we are getting these updates right now, that the associated releases are likely to happen in Q4 of this year. I would hazard that the narrator is the "lich" figure with the candles on his back. Wild guess is that he will be called the Mortarch of Judgement or something similar. Overall, really like the narrative being put out with this release and eager to see what happens next.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 17:11:09


Post by: Mr Morden


I wonder if he was another one of the heroes that fell defending Helstone

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Helstone



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 17:21:57


Post by: Sotahullu


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m thinking a skeleton focussed Undead army?



Looks like it although I really wonder do we still use already existing skeleton guys for these or are these going to be special.


But I really think that the next book is going to be called Deathrattle Kingdoms. Seems to struck such an way.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 17:29:22


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Fingers crossed for actual info on whatever this is at Nova.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 17:36:55


Post by: Overread


 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if he was another one of the heroes that fell defending Helstone

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Helstone



I don't think so. My impression is that the vaults were made in the Age of Myth rather than at the end of that Age and into the Age of Chaos, Sigmar retreated and thus wasn't present to construct any new vaults. It could be one of the Princes when Nagash made the city surrender to him; but I don't think its likely.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 17:57:04


Post by: Carnikang


The way the "Emperor" talks makes me think Eastern dialect. Asian accent sort of. The bladed spears in the back the skeletons hold also remind me of Eastern weaponry like the guando or maybe a stylized ji.

But that could just be me.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 18:00:54


Post by: Hanskrampf


I guess that settles one of the Rumour Engine pics:


His staff has three severed heads on butcher's hooks.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 18:06:08


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Mr Bone Collector has an odd silhouette, like he's carrying a tombstone on his back , as well as holding an open scroll in his left hand.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 18:35:44


Post by: ImAGeek


Looks like this tombstone:



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 18:41:39


Post by: Grimdesign


 ImAGeek wrote:
Looks like this tombstone:



I think you are right. They even showed the realms of Hysh and Ulgu as a nod to his past.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 19:01:28


Post by: Souleater


Death and Taxes, as the saying goes.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 19:12:51


Post by: The Green one


Could it be Ushoran? He was a general of Lahmia and Emperor of Mourkain.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 19:14:35


Post by: Cataphract


 ImAGeek wrote:
Looks like this tombstone:



I think this actually might be part of his throne. From the video it seems like he is sitting down. Perhaps it floats or it is being carried by Skeletons like an palanquin.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 19:41:13


Post by: Ghaz


 The Green one wrote:
Could it be Ushoran? He was a general of Lahmia and Emperor of Mourkain.

He was the brother of Neferata and her spymaster, so he doesn't seem to fit.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 20:04:20


Post by: hotsauceman1


supposedly cities give this army their dead as a sort of "Tithe" to avoid the armies of the dead ransacking their homes.
Apparently, ogors do it to.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 20:07:10


Post by: Overread


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
supposedly cities give this army their dead as a sort of "Tithe" to avoid the armies of the dead ransacking their homes.
Apparently, ogors do it to.


It also sounds like the "Tithe" is designed to harvest from cities with a low quality of life for the masses. Harvesting large numbers of the dead from them.
At the same time any modernized and powerful city with a higher quality of life; and thus a reduced mortality, might well find itself being targeted for invasion under the guise of not offering enough in their Tithe.

A neat way to promote lower standards of living and a high mortality rate within big living urban environments; whilst also not wiping them all out. Indeed the poorer cities imght even consider it a good thing that this force comes to take away the dead. Meanwhile any more powerful settlements are kept in check by the continual threat of invasion if not enough die.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 20:47:37


Post by: Sotahullu


 Overread wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
supposedly cities give this army their dead as a sort of "Tithe" to avoid the armies of the dead ransacking their homes.
Apparently, ogors do it to.


It also sounds like the "Tithe" is designed to harvest from cities with a low quality of life for the masses. Harvesting large numbers of the dead from them.
At the same time any modernized and powerful city with a higher quality of life; and thus a reduced mortality, might well find itself being targeted for invasion under the guise of not offering enough in their Tithe.

A neat way to promote lower standards of living and a high mortality rate within big living urban environments; whilst also not wiping them all out. Indeed the poorer cities imght even consider it a good thing that this force comes to take away the dead. Meanwhile any more powerful settlements are kept in check by the continual threat of invasion if not enough die.


If you are a dead immortal ruler of the dead you don't really care for riches but rather remains to bolster your army to do your bidding for whatever goal(s) takes fancy.

Also, it certainly helps keeping fun uncle Nagash happy to some degree.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 20:58:49


Post by: Scrub


Is that video being narrated by... Jim Cummings?!?! :O



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 21:03:29


Post by: Mr Morden


 The Green one wrote:
Could it be Ushoran? He was a general of Lahmia and Emperor of Mourkain.


He is already a character in AOS I think:

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carrion_King

If you are a dead immortal ruler of the dead you don't really care for riches but rather remains to bolster your army to do your bidding for whatever goal(s) takes fancy.
Also, it certainly helps keeping fun uncle Nagash happy to some degree.


Depends - Neferata does enjoy them - she likes luxury and the trappings of wealth as do quite a few vampires, Nagash does like souls as tribute - after all he considers them all his.

Quite interesting having someone take tribute with the dead, building a larger army - whole new form of danegeld



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/18 21:03:33


Post by: Overread


Sotahullu wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
supposedly cities give this army their dead as a sort of "Tithe" to avoid the armies of the dead ransacking their homes.
Apparently, ogors do it to.


It also sounds like the "Tithe" is designed to harvest from cities with a low quality of life for the masses. Harvesting large numbers of the dead from them.
At the same time any modernized and powerful city with a higher quality of life; and thus a reduced mortality, might well find itself being targeted for invasion under the guise of not offering enough in their Tithe.

A neat way to promote lower standards of living and a high mortality rate within big living urban environments; whilst also not wiping them all out. Indeed the poorer cities imght even consider it a good thing that this force comes to take away the dead. Meanwhile any more powerful settlements are kept in check by the continual threat of invasion if not enough die.


If you are a dead immortal ruler of the dead you don't really care for riches but rather remains to bolster your army to do your bidding for whatever goal(s) takes fancy.

Also, it certainly helps keeping fun uncle Nagash happy to some degree.


Some of the dead care for riches still
That said my point was more that richer/better cities are going to have a lower death rate and a higher standard of general living; whilst poorer (weaker) cities will have lower general standards of living and thus have more fall death to plague, sickness and starvation. So in theory a weaker city can provide more Tithe than a stronger one; which means the hoard is encouraged to leach the dead from the weak whilst destroy/crush the strong.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/20 12:52:47


Post by: Kurgash


 Scrub wrote:
Is that video being narrated by... Jim Cummings?!?! :O



Yes indeed


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:01:59


Post by: BrookM


New one:




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:03:08


Post by: nels1031


Oh lord!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:06:43


Post by: Overread


OMG¬!

I see undead chocobo riders!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:16:21


Post by: SamusDrake


OMG what is this? Whats it about? I must know!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:21:02


Post by: skullking


Liking the aesthetic, seems kind of Egyptian/Asian/it’s own thing. They’ve been doing well with creating new armies which play on the old, looking forward to seeing what this one has in store.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:22:39


Post by: Carlovonsexron


I usually detest the undead (because they are usually painfully boring) but these guys have me really interested and excited!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:30:51


Post by: Sqorgar


Nova is gonna have some cool models shown...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:34:58


Post by: Sotahullu


Argh! Thursday is so far away!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 16:51:47


Post by: shinros


So Tomb Khans? Samurai Skeletons? Sign me up.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 17:42:51


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Cant wait to see these in the "flesh"

The aesthetic looks like an interesting mix of real world influences. There armour also looks fresh? Like its relatively new and well maintained.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 17:52:40


Post by: streetsamurai


ohhh this looks very promising.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
is that Settra....?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So we're getting at least 4 kits

Infantry
elite infantry
Knights
Catapult


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:03:09


Post by: Gallahad


Those just look like necrons to my untrained eye. More sci-fantasy stuff for AOS.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:03:30


Post by: Irbis


Their armor and weapons look very morghast-y. Codex: Reanimant Kings?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:06:06


Post by: Umbros


 Gallahad wrote:
Those just look like necrons to my untrained eye. More sci-fantasy stuff for AOS.


what a weird take to have!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:14:15


Post by: balmong7


Umbros wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
Those just look like necrons to my untrained eye. More sci-fantasy stuff for AOS.


what a weird take to have!


It's almost like necrons are just metal skeletons with guns and some light Egyptian flair. So another army that is "regular skeletons with cultural flair" will come across with a similar feeling.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:15:05


Post by: Oguhmek


These look really cool.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:19:22


Post by: warl0rdb0b


They look to be continuing the aesthetic of the Morghasts and Nagash himself, if they are any where near as good as the art these guys will be incredible


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:20:30


Post by: Theophony


They cut away from the picture of that lords weapon right before the top, which I believe will be the scythe we have in the rumor section.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:24:08


Post by: Overread


I guess one big question will be if its a hoard army or an elite army. The Tithe and troop displays suggest hoards of skeletons rather than a few elite.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:33:12


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


I have that terrible sinking feeling that I am going to go big for this army. Judging by the trailers are we expecting the first releases within a month or so?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:37:26


Post by: Galas


Please bring the plastic sphynx back!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:37:29


Post by: Either/Or


balmong7 wrote:
Umbros wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
Those just look like necrons to my untrained eye. More sci-fantasy stuff for AOS.


what a weird take to have!


It's almost like necrons are just metal skeletons with guns and some light Egyptian flair. So another army that is "regular skeletons with cultural flair" will come across with a similar feeling.


Or, you know, it could be because the art is grey armored Skelton’s with the same glowing green used as accent color for necrons for the last 25 years


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:48:36


Post by: balmong7


Either/Or wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Umbros wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
Those just look like necrons to my untrained eye. More sci-fantasy stuff for AOS.


what a weird take to have!


It's almost like necrons are just metal skeletons with guns and some light Egyptian flair. So another army that is "regular skeletons with cultural flair" will come across with a similar feeling.


Or, you know, it could be because the art is grey armored Skelton’s with the same glowing green used as accent color for necrons for the last 25 years


I mean. I feel like we are just agreeing at this point? I'm hyped. I think it's a fun look and a fun idea. I was really hoping not to be tempted to move outside the destruction alliance for a while though.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:49:59


Post by: GoatboyBeta


So that's Ghouls, Ghosts and now(it seems) Skeletons with there own army's. Dedicated Zombie force when?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:50:40


Post by: warl0rdb0b


I was hoping to be moving outside of Death for my next project, but these guys have me very intrigued, so long as they are chummy enough with my Spooks.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:51:02


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Sweeeet


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:56:35


Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


Bah I know it was probably going to be some expansion of the Deathrattle.

Skeletons! Skeletons everywhere!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 18:59:45


Post by: Sarouan


Yep, that's what I thought - new tomb kings are coming.

They're just redesigning everything so that they look less like dead egyptians.

I guess we'll have pictures of some miniatures for the next preview announced. More fun for the undead !


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 19:09:08


Post by: Mr_Rose


GoatboyBeta wrote:
So that's Ghouls, Ghosts and now(it seems) Skeletons with there own army's. Dedicated Zombie force when?

Hm, can we have a full necromantic horror army? Zombie troops with ‘special’ zombies for everything else? Not just zombie dragons and zombie giants but also winged zombies made by stitching giant bat wings to humanoid corpses, zombie giant scorpions with people-feet, you know the drill. Oh and Frankenstein’s Creature elite zombies. Basically rip off every hammer horror film about mad scientists messing with corpses.
Old World necromancers were supposed to be heavy into that, but we never really saw it on the tabletop.
Also, just for kicks, make them an Order army, totally opposed to Nagash in the same way and for the same reasons the Katophranes were.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 19:31:43


Post by: Sabotage!


From the teaser these guys look to have a really cool aesthetic. If they get some Warcry rules I might pick up a box or two (depending on the models of course) to paint up. Heck, I might do that just for fun, because the concept art looks great!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 19:33:21


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Mr_Rose wrote:

Hm, can we have a full necromantic horror army? Zombie troops with ‘special’ zombies for everything else? Not just zombie dragons and zombie giants but also winged zombies made by stitching giant bat wings to humanoid corpses, zombie giant scorpions with people-feet, you know the drill. Oh and Frankenstein’s Creature elite zombies. Basically rip off every hammer horror film about mad scientists messing with corpses.
Old World necromancers were supposed to be heavy into that, but we never really saw it on the tabletop.
Also, just for kicks, make them an Order army, totally opposed to Nagash in the same way and for the same reasons the Katophranes were.


Not sure about the Order bit But there was a Zombie "Queen" mentioned in the Soul Wars novel with her own force alongside the Nighthaunt.
*flicks pages*
Yep Arul, the "Lady of all flesh". Not a Mortarch, but she is a sentient undead.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 19:44:33


Post by: auticus


Well my primary three armies forever were chaos (slaves to darkness mortals), tomb kings, and dark elves. So five years later, maybe one of my primary factions will have a book


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 19:52:42


Post by: Voss


Where is Krell?

Hate the helmets. Flat panels crosswise still baffles me as a design choice.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 20:02:45


Post by: Lockark


Most of them look like they are wearing samurai helmets tbh

 streetsamurai wrote:
ohhh this looks very promising.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
is that Settra....?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So we're getting at least 4 kits

Infantry
elite infantry
Knights
Catapult


I hope that's not settra. He already got done dirty dureing end times, the idea of him being forced to become a Mortarch would be even worse.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 20:22:40


Post by: GaroRobe


The voice acting in the previous trailers did give off a Samurai kind of vibe. Reminded me of Takeo from Black Ops XD

The cavalry looks interesting, seeing as how one has a rhino/unicorn head, but the other has a bird beaked mount.

I just hope the skull heads aren't too comical. It's hard to tell if its masks or skulls, but the mounted heads look a bit too cartoony


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 20:37:15


Post by: NinthMusketeer


GoatboyBeta wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:

Hm, can we have a full necromantic horror army? Zombie troops with ‘special’ zombies for everything else? Not just zombie dragons and zombie giants but also winged zombies made by stitching giant bat wings to humanoid corpses, zombie giant scorpions with people-feet, you know the drill. Oh and Frankenstein’s Creature elite zombies. Basically rip off every hammer horror film about mad scientists messing with corpses.
Old World necromancers were supposed to be heavy into that, but we never really saw it on the tabletop.
Also, just for kicks, make them an Order army, totally opposed to Nagash in the same way and for the same reasons the Katophranes were.


Not sure about the Order bit But there was a Zombie "Queen" mentioned in the Soul Wars novel with her own force alongside the Nighthaunt.
*flicks pages*
Yep Arul, the "Lady of all flesh". Not a Mortarch, but she is a sentient undead.
She's also one of the now-many fluff instances we have of a Necromancer-on-zombie-palanquin. I wouldn't be surprised to see Death rounded off with a zombie army, even with these new guys it is a small Grand Alliance.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 20:41:06


Post by: Eumerin


 Lockark wrote:

I hope that's not settra. He already got done dirty dureing end times, the idea of him being forced to become a Mortarch would be even worse.


The only way it could be Settra is if this army is somehow completely independent of Nagash. As End Times revealed, the ONLY thing that Settra hates worse than Nagash is serving another being. The idea of Settra serving Nagash would fly in the face of just about everything we know about Settra.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 20:53:09


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Settra is a Stormcast now, mentioned in the Hamilcar novel.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:07:26


Post by: Lockark


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Settra is a Stormcast now, mentioned in the Hamilcar novel.


Ok that I could actually see that tbh. I appreciate that my boy Settra is kicking butt with the golden boys


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:10:02


Post by: nagash42


Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:17:26


Post by: Lockark


nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


Yes somehow Setra did it anyway, because he is just that much of a chad


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:26:30


Post by: Cronch


 Sarouan wrote:
Yep, that's what I thought - new tomb kings are coming.

They're just redesigning everything so that they look less like dead egyptians


So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:33:52


Post by: Carnikang


Cronch wrote:
 Sarouan wrote:
Yep, that's what I thought - new tomb kings are coming.

They're just redesigning everything so that they look less like dead egyptians


So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.


Bone catapults? OH LAWD, THEY COMIN BACK!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:33:55


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I hope it's not a horde army. Undead always go horde. I liked the Morghast/ Nagash ultra elite combo of relatively few but very strong models on the table.

Art in the video was promising. I wouldn't be opposed to a warband made of 'em, especially if all I would need is a box or two of infantry types.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:46:19


Post by: Mr Morden


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:

Hm, can we have a full necromantic horror army? Zombie troops with ‘special’ zombies for everything else? Not just zombie dragons and zombie giants but also winged zombies made by stitching giant bat wings to humanoid corpses, zombie giant scorpions with people-feet, you know the drill. Oh and Frankenstein’s Creature elite zombies. Basically rip off every hammer horror film about mad scientists messing with corpses.
Old World necromancers were supposed to be heavy into that, but we never really saw it on the tabletop.
Also, just for kicks, make them an Order army, totally opposed to Nagash in the same way and for the same reasons the Katophranes were.


Not sure about the Order bit But there was a Zombie "Queen" mentioned in the Soul Wars novel with her own force alongside the Nighthaunt.
*flicks pages*
Yep Arul, the "Lady of all flesh". Not a Mortarch, but she is a sentient undead.
She's also one of the now-many fluff instances we have of a Necromancer-on-zombie-palanquin. I wouldn't be surprised to see Death rounded off with a zombie army, even with these new guys it is a small Grand Alliance.


Crelis Arul https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crelis_Arul

Always interested in new Death stuff - there are also some Skeletal Death lords in the lore such as

Yaros of Dmezny, the Hero of Orthad, Grand Prince and Lord Rattlebone
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Yaros

Tamra ven-Drak
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tamra_ven-Drak










Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 21:50:49


Post by: Dread Master


Apart from the cavalry at the beginning of the video, these lads look like animated suits of armor rather than skeletons.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 22:00:46


Post by: Carnikang


Dread Master wrote:
Apart from the cavalry at the beginning of the video, these lads look like animated suits of armor rather than skeletons.


Speaking of the Cavalry, they look like they have the wings of the Winged Hussars, but with ribs and a spine.
The armor is reminding me of Samurai and Eastern style armors. If they have mounted archers, I'm betting that would have made someone think Mongol skeleton archers.

I like the aesthetic overall, and hope it's an interesting faction in the lore.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 22:07:16


Post by: Mr Morden


They do seem to have alot of the Tomb Kings units.....


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 22:10:13


Post by: nagash42


 Lockark wrote:
nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


Yes somehow Setra did it anyway, because he is just that much of a chad



No he didn't Nagash tore him apart then Chaos put him back together then AOS happened and he somehow went from Chaos imbued to maybe Sigmar imbued.


If he is a stormcast now he obeys Sigmar so he's still serving.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 22:16:51


Post by: Ghaz


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Settra is a Stormcast now, mentioned in the Hamilcar novel.

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 23:03:27


Post by: Nostromodamus


Nothing about this screams Tomb Kings to me. Genuinely confused why so many people are getting that impression.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 23:18:46


Post by: MegaDombro


If they squatted Tomb Kings just to release a ascetically similar skeleton army a few years latter, its a real slap in the face of TK fans from 8th and earlier.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/25 23:26:19


Post by: Overread


MegaDombro wrote:
If they squatted Tomb Kings just to release a ascetically similar skeleton army a few years latter, its a real slap in the face of TK fans from 8th and earlier.


I don't think that was GW's plan at all - at least not fully. Don't forget AoS at launch was nothing like the game we have now and not just the management focus has changed, but the management team and CEO.

AoS at launch was very much a full embodiment of the mantra "models first" to the extent that GW didn't really have much lore nor any rules and no points at launch. AoS at launch was focusing on being a boutique line of fantasy models which people would buy because they were cool and not really any other reason. I suspect the Grand Alliance system was made as a casual rules system so that players woudl collect a "Grand Alliance army" rather than a faction army. This coupled to GW fragmenting most armies into a handful of models per "Faction". That way GW could add a whole new faction with 4 or so new kits and also retire whole factions very easily. And because you'd be using Grand Alliance armies, it wouldn't matter. Plus with no "rules" in a formal sense there was no army holding you onto those former models.

Under such a culture removing two of the least selling armies (TK and Brets) made sense; and I susepct we'd have seen more armies dropped fairly quickly; replaced with a continual stream of small sub-faction style releases. Of course Stormcast and a few "pet" factions (ergo those that sell well) might well hang around getting more and more models.



It was a totally different attitude toward the game and franchise and it backfired heavily on GW at the time. To the extent that they've clearly shifted gear dramatically. I suspect that what we are seeing now are new designs, perhaps tweaked from updated models for the TK line or totally fresh made because GW wanted to add an undead skeleton force and honour the old TK line, but also now free from the old lore and system and thus giving the design team freedom to experiment with some new creative directions.

So we might well see a lot of echos of the past - skeleton catapults; perhaps chariots etc.. - but they will have a new lore, aesthetic and overall feel. Who knows they might even bring some of the old kits back; the new force still has an Asian feel to it.

Also lets not forget we've only a very short video, we don't know the release nor the full plan yet - we might ifnd out at the Nova, if not then it shouldn't be many more months.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 01:11:10


Post by: Sarouan


Cronch wrote:


So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.


Tomb Kings are more than just the egyptian theme. They had an army with specific core concepts behind. And its core was built on skeletons, with mummies as their leaders/elite warriors. Pretty much what the video is hinting, to me.

But hey, just watch and see, we won't have to wait too much for the next previews apparently.


 Nostromodamus wrote:
Nothing about this screams Tomb Kings to me. Genuinely confused why so many people are getting that impression.


They're just the new redesigned Tomb Kings, with another name. Skeletons were always the core of this army, with mummified nobles at the top. I bet the heavy armored guys next to the Mortarch in the video are the new versions of these mummies. Just wait for the next previews and the designers interview. I bet you'll have "Tomb Kings" in their list of inspiration. I mean, look at the Mortarch. He's very close to an armored pharaon enclosed in metal instead of silk bandages.

People keep saying samurai this or that like, while their armors and blades look nothing like samurai. Plus, samurai don't wear shields. They're more similar to the Morghast armors. Wouldn't be surprised if Morghast are part of this new faction.

Also the skeleton mounts have different heads, if you look closely to the picture in the video (one has some kind of horned beast skull and another has something that look very close to a bird skull with a long beak). Maybe they are constructs.. Catapults are very huge in the video, by the way...



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 01:11:57


Post by: Eumerin


nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.


As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.


Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 02:26:48


Post by: Voss


 Sarouan wrote:
Cronch wrote:


So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.


Tomb Kings are more than just the egyptian theme. They had an army with specific core concepts behind. And its core was built on skeletons, with mummies as their leaders/elite warriors. Pretty much what the video is hinting, to me.

They aren't really. They were the general undead units with different unit names: grave guard->tomb guard, various cav and chariot models that had been in the Undead army list since at least third edition.
They divested the Undead of mummies and stuck them here (and as far as GW of the 90s was concerned, mummies=Egypt). The Ushabti wandered specifically out of the Mummy 2, and I'm not sure how anyone would argue that the sphinxes are supposed to be anything but Egyptian.

The art influences in the video are all over the place, with some Wacky Fantasy elements on the armor and shields, rather than anything particularly cultural (and that seems intentional to me, both for the 'IP thing', and going for a fantasy design that feels familiar, though I can't quite place it. Getting 80's vibes off it though).
The only things that really stand out are the undead mounts (one with a rhino head and the other with bird head), and the absolutely frikkin huge catapults, which aren't as big as the regiments in front, but dwarf the regiments alongside them (and are chucking energy rather than skulls)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 05:27:04


Post by: Gallahad


 Nostromodamus wrote:
Nothing about this screams Tomb Kings to me. Genuinely confused why so many people are getting that impression.

I'm with you. They look like guys in full fantasy plate with wacko shields and overlapping metal plate helmets shaped vaguely like skulls. Nothing Egyptian. If anything I see samurai just because of the shape of their helmets.
That Mortarch straight up looks like a robot who stole a helmet from the bloodwarriors' Carnival float dance crew.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 06:51:55


Post by: Cruxeh


Eumerin wrote:
nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.


And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 06:54:22


Post by: Da Boss


It is so incredibly boring that all these characters from the Old World are still around. You blew up the Old World, at least give us something new.

It is so weaksauce.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 07:33:22


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Settra is not weaksauce!
Settra is sauce!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 07:38:56


Post by: ZebioLizard2


 Cruxeh wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.


And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.
Except Neferata and Mannfred do recall the old world.. Arkhan however is the one that is explicitly noted to remember nothing and it confuses some that do remember the old world, and it seems to be that Arkhan had to be reconstructed somehow. Or Nagash had to do something to bring forth a copy of him, because everyone else notes how odd Arkhan's inability to recall is.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 07:54:29


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Carnikang wrote:
Dread Master wrote:
Apart from the cavalry at the beginning of the video, these lads look like animated suits of armor rather than skeletons.


Speaking of the Cavalry, they look like they have the wings of the Winged Hussars, but with ribs and a spine.
The armor is reminding me of Samurai and Eastern style armors. If they have mounted archers, I'm betting that would have made someone think Mongol skeleton archers.

I like the aesthetic overall, and hope it's an interesting faction in the lore.


Nah, those are back banners:



Like the ones one could see in the last samurai.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 08:01:03


Post by: Arachnofiend


If they're not Tomb Kings then my next guess would be "Necrons adapted for AoS". Which is an even funnier idea.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 08:18:00


Post by: ImAGeek


 Arachnofiend wrote:
If they're not Tomb Kings then my next guess would be "Necrons adapted for AoS". Which is an even funnier idea.


Necrons since their 5th ed update are often referred to as Tomb Kings in Space, so that’s basically the same thing.


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Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Cruxeh wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.


And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.
Gelt has only the barest fragments of memories from the Old World, I suspect for Settra is the same.

Having read the book I am inclined to believe GE meant for it to be there. That snippet in context of the larger conversion seemed almost forced, as if the author was told to stick it in somewhere.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Role on NOVA, and the reveal.



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Post by: Overread


 Da Boss wrote:
It is so incredibly boring that all these characters from the Old World are still around. You blew up the Old World, at least give us something new.

It is so weaksauce.


There are loads of new characters, they just have 5 years AT BEST of history and its a history that's been somewhat bumpy and taken time to settle down. Esp since a lot of the early books were very much battle books with less lore and world building. The Old World lot have, what 30 years of history some of them.

Also most of the gods and biggest movers in the Mortal Realms are Old World gods/demigods/aelves who got it lucky. In fact the entire collection of gods are from the Old World. The Realms have not yet thrust up their own God anywhere for any of the races.



As for Settra at present we've a few sentences relating to him as a Stormcast. From what we've seen you don't choose to become Stormcast, Sigmar chooses you and rips your soul from your body at the moment of death. Whistling you away to his forges where he performs a series of forging process (he calls if forging but it could be far more horrific, the forging could just be god-level-marketing) to beat the soul into a new shape. Note how all the Stormcast loath chaos with an almost manic level of fever, Sigmar clearly enhances some areas of his stormcast and diminishes others an the result is lost memories. Not to mention once they are created and thrust into new bodies, they then spent the best part of 500 years or so doing nothing but training endlessly for war; including training in the Arena which let them take deathblows without dying. In the real world each time they are reforged more of themselves is cut away and lost and alll the more they are left the chaos hating warrior.

Settra may not bow, but Settra reforged into Stormcast is not the same Settra. Personally I think we might get one of our best displays of what it does to people IF Gotrek ever finds Felix as a Stormcast. So far I don't think any of the stories have really gone to an old world character of fame and really pulled them apart as a stormcast; we've had hints, we've had camo appearances but nothing really to fully go right up front and challenge the stormcast about their history and past.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 10:31:12


Post by: Sarouan


Fun with pictures :



Original Morghast example :

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 10:38:31


Post by: Fayric



Undead high fantasy samurai legion sounds cool.
The armour looks related to the morghasts, and I also get a slight feel of warmahordes Immortals in the mortarch (and thats great).
Fun to see big warmachines rather than monsters.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 10:44:19


Post by: Mr Morden


 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Cruxeh wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.


And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.


And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.
Except Neferata and Mannfred do recall the old world.. Arkhan however is the one that is explicitly noted to remember nothing and it confuses some that do remember the old world, and it seems to be that Arkhan had to be reconstructed somehow. Or Nagash had to do something to bring forth a copy of him, because everyone else notes how odd Arkhan's inability to recall is.


Your both right - Neferata and Mannfred recall some of the Old World and often vaguely and its not clear if they are the actual people or just Nagash's memories/impression of the them

Mannfred in particular really finds the Old World memories painful (as he was such a dick) whereas Neferata has the whole "glory days" vibe

Settra - if remade by either Sigmar or Nagash will likely be the same - both meddle with their followers souls...........


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 11:18:33


Post by: Galas


 ImAGeek wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
If they're not Tomb Kings then my next guess would be "Necrons adapted for AoS". Which is an even funnier idea.


Necrons since their 5th ed update are often referred to as Tomb Kings in Space, so that’s basically the same thing.


We are going full circle again, just as with Chaos Warriors -> Space Marines -> Stormcasts


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 13:28:10


Post by: EnTyme


 Gallahad wrote:

That Mortarch straight up looks like a robot who stole a helmet from the bloodwarriors' Carnival float dance crew.


Definitely looks like a Necron Pariah cosplaying as a Blood Warrior.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 13:47:20


Post by: Crimson


 Arachnofiend wrote:
If they're not Tomb Kings then my next guess would be "Necrons adapted for AoS". Which is an even funnier idea.

I am one step ahead of you! If these are indeed an army of Morghast style guys, I was contemplating using them to convert some even more grimdark Necrons!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 15:21:17


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Still not seeing the samurai connection but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought these looked like Morghasts.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 15:56:58


Post by: Kanluwen


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Still not seeing the samurai connection but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought these looked like Morghasts.

I'm guessing the 'samurai' connection is from people seeing the layered/lamellar looking armor.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 21:34:19


Post by: Lockark


 Kanluwen wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Still not seeing the samurai connection but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought these looked like Morghasts.

I'm guessing the 'samurai' connection is from people seeing the layered/lamellar looking armor.


I know for myself it's the shape of the helmets plus the masks, reminds me of a samurai helmet with a Men-yoroi. There is clearly a mix of influences since they also got abit of a winged hussar thing going on. But the helmets+masks were the most striking to me. The back left dude being the one that cemented that idea in my head lol.

[Thumb - skelemen.png]


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Post by: SamusDrake


Just a thought; could those dudes be reclaimed Stormcast Eternals?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 21:46:19


Post by: Overread


SamusDrake wrote:
Just a thought; could those dudes be reclaimed Stormcast Eternals?


Unlikely at this stage. Whilst we know that there are ways to stop Stormcast being saved by Sigmar at the point of death and thus it is possible to have their armour and bodies remain on the ground; its likely rare enough not to have sufficient remains to form a whole army. Then again a good few warriors do have adornments of stormcast on them (at least 1 in every 5 khinerai has stolen/found/killed for a stormcast face cover).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/26 22:29:05


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Even though it would be fitting to have fallen Stormcast be heroes in this army, heralding the tithe with proof that sooner or later, Nagash always gets his due, it doesn't really mesh with the skeleton theme.

(Soul Wars spoilers)
Spoiler:
After being killed by Nighthaunt, Lord-Castellant Pharus Thaum's soul rebels against the reforging and escapes as a lightning-gheist, winding up in Shyish and becoming a servant of Nagash. However, that's his soul, and not his body, hence why it doesn't fit the bone tithe specifically


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/27 02:51:00


Post by: Eumerin


Voss wrote:

They aren't really. They were the general undead units with different unit names: grave guard->tomb guard, various cav and chariot models that had been in the Undead army list since at least third edition.
They divested the Undead of mummies and stuck them here (and as far as GW of the 90s was concerned, mummies=Egypt). The Ushabti wandered specifically out of the Mummy 2, and I'm not sure how anyone would argue that the sphinxes are supposed to be anything but Egyptian.


The start was general undead. As time went on, they became more unique. No fleshy stuff (i.e. no zombies or ghouls). Carrion replaced bats. Insect swarms. Giant tomb scorpions that could burrow up from beneath the battlefield. The Ark of the Cove... I mean, Casket of Souls. The general craziness with the new models in 8th Edition. And most importantly, the magic heroes and the combat heroes were distinct from each other, and your army required both (which was the complete opposite of where Vampire Counts eventually ended up).

The art influences in the video are all over the place, with some Wacky Fantasy elements on the armor and shields, rather than anything particularly cultural (and that seems intentional to me, both for the 'IP thing', and going for a fantasy design that feels familiar, though I can't quite place it. Getting 80's vibes off it though).
The only things that really stand out are the undead mounts (one with a rhino head and the other with bird head), and the absolutely frikkin huge catapults, which aren't as big as the regiments in front, but dwarf the regiments alongside them (and are chucking energy rather than skulls)


Yeah, I don't think we can say too much about this group yet. The armor doesn't really look familiar. Bits and pieces appear to come from various locations. But those parts don't add up to a unified whole. About the only thing I can say for certain is that I'm pretty sure that the mount early in the third video is a skeletal rhino.


Except Neferata and Mannfred do recall the old world.. Arkhan however is the one that is explicitly noted to remember nothing and it confuses some that do remember the old world, and it seems to be that Arkhan had to be reconstructed somehow. Or Nagash had to do something to bring forth a copy of him, because everyone else notes how odd Arkhan's inability to recall is.


I haven't read the novels. But what I've heard third-hand is that there's reason to believe that Arkhan is pretending to be a lot less independent than he actually is. Given that, I wouldn't be surprised if he's faking his lack of memories regarding the Old World.


Also worth noting given the most recent discussions - in the first video, the narrator makes a statement that strongly seems to suggest that he used to be a Stormcast.


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Post by: NinthMusketeer


What fluff we do have suggests that Death-claimed Stormcast end up as Nighthaunt because their bodies become incorporeal on death. Even the Death faction's deployed means of capturing them (Spirit Torment) does so after they turn to lightning. Actual Stormcast bodies, afaik, have only happened as a result of the reality-splitting axe off a Mighty Lord of Khorne, or Stormcast dying literally in the realm of chaos. But we don't know what Nagash is doing with captured SCE souls, yet.

Note that Stormcast equipment can be separated from them; it is possible for a Stormcast to die and go to be reforged but a given weapon or piece of armor to be left behind. The helmet Gordrakk has is specifically mentioned in one of the novels to be such a case.


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Post by: jearrington


 Kanluwen wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Still not seeing the samurai connection but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought these looked like Morghasts.

I'm guessing the 'samurai' connection is from people seeing the layered/lamellar looking armor.


It is that and also this guy who is standing just behind the main boss there has a traditional looking samurai armor/helmet.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/27 17:40:37


Post by: shinros


jearrington wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Still not seeing the samurai connection but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought these looked like Morghasts.

I'm guessing the 'samurai' connection is from people seeing the layered/lamellar looking armor.


It is that and also this guy who is standing just behind the main boss there has a traditional looking samurai armor/helmet.


Yup and this as well.

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/27 17:43:51


Post by: Sotahullu


I am more on line that it is more of an eastern style army.

Samurai style undead army still sounds cool. And there will be no dishonourable retreats!


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Post by: Voss


shinros wrote:
jearrington wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Still not seeing the samurai connection but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought these looked like Morghasts.

I'm guessing the 'samurai' connection is from people seeing the layered/lamellar looking armor.


It is that and also this guy who is standing just behind the main boss there has a traditional looking samurai armor/helmet.


Yup and this as well.

Spoiler:


Thats a pretty far stretch for samurai inspired. Seems more traditional fantasy knight (on a rhino)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/27 18:41:15


Post by: Eumerin


I think the reason people think "samurai" with the rhino rider is the spurs jutting out of his helmet. While that could fit with a samurai theme, I don't think that's what it is. Instead, if you look at the shoulder armor, you see the exact same spurs. And that is *not* a Japanese style. I think all that's happening is that the bone spur idea from the shoulder armor (which would be a *really* bad idea in real life) is duplicated on the helmet.

What I'm generally reminded of with much of the imagery is a very low tech fantasy. Take Conan, look at what the bad guy soldiers are wearing, and you might end up with something like this. And rhino cavalry would fit right in with that.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/27 20:12:56


Post by: Ghaz


From the Warhammer TV Facebook page:



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Post by: Sarouan


Yep, they said the new army will be revealed in all its dark glory. Time for them to throw us some real bones here !


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 06:55:55


Post by: terry


 Sarouan wrote:
Yep, they said the new army will be revealed in all its dark glory. Time for them to throw us some real bones here !

and its an army of boneless flesh constructs


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 08:55:13


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Riding undead rhinos... er... I mean "Horncrush Thundersmashers"?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 09:16:49


Post by: Maledrakh


This makes me think of Hordak more than anything else

I wonder why?




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 09:52:33


Post by: Herbington


AOS Conquest anyone?

https://www.warhammermortalrealms.com/


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 09:54:32


Post by: Overread


Darn it I might actually go for that!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 11:15:24


Post by: Binabik15


The new Undead/Abdead/Urghouls/Shadeshriek Constructors/whatever, they remind of of one thing the most: Privateer Press Skorne. Kinda Samurai, kinda skinny dudes in exotic/fantasy armour, evil, constructs, soul magic, RHINOS.

Lets see what the full reveal brings, but right now I'm seeing Skorne-dead.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 11:23:29


Post by: Sunno


 Binabik15 wrote:
The new Undead/Abdead/Urghouls/Shadeshriek Constructors/whatever, they remind of of one thing the most: Privateer Press Skorne. Kinda Samurai, kinda skinny dudes in exotic/fantasy armour, evil, constructs, soul magic, RHINOS.

Lets see what the full reveal brings, but right now I'm seeing Skorne-dead.


GW stealing good ideas from PP again ;-p


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 11:25:22


Post by: auticus


Well AOS borrowed heavily from the warmachine design ethos when they aborted rank and flank battle from the design, so this is not surprising.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 11:27:30


Post by: Binabik15


Sunno wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
The new Undead/Abdead/Urghouls/Shadeshriek Constructors/whatever, they remind of of one thing the most: Privateer Press Skorne. Kinda Samurai, kinda skinny dudes in exotic/fantasy armour, evil, constructs, soul magic, RHINOS.

Lets see what the full reveal brings, but right now I'm seeing Skorne-dead.


GW stealing good ideas from PP again ;-p


Remains to be seen, but I have to admit that I posted in part to maybe point back at if GW's "original content, do not copy, we have the lawyers" new faction is taking cues from WarmaHordes. Maybe because I'm bitter about Tomb Kings


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 11:43:24


Post by: Geifer


 Binabik15 wrote:
Sunno wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
The new Undead/Abdead/Urghouls/Shadeshriek Constructors/whatever, they remind of of one thing the most: Privateer Press Skorne. Kinda Samurai, kinda skinny dudes in exotic/fantasy armour, evil, constructs, soul magic, RHINOS.

Lets see what the full reveal brings, but right now I'm seeing Skorne-dead.


GW stealing good ideas from PP again ;-p


Remains to be seen, but I have to admit that I posted in part to maybe point back at if GW's "original content, do not copy, we have the lawyers" new faction is taking cues from WarmaHordes. Maybe because I'm bitter about Tomb Kings


Nonsense! GW's srtists only draw from GW material aside from which they exclusively come up with ideas in a complete vacuum.

Meh, if GW did a Tomb Kings made to order I'd drop a good amount of money on it, but realistically Age of Sigmar Tomb Kings wouldn't be the same Tomb Kings I know and love, so personally I have nothing to be bitter about.

I'm not viewing this upcoming army as a competitor or followup to Tomb Kings either. It's high time Death gets undead models specifically made for the setting. Sure, sure, we have animated sneezes, but incorporeal undead are my least favorite undead, so they do precious little for me outside one or two characterful sculpts. But just like sky dwarfs, anything specifically made for AoS will help give the setting its own identity, which can only be a good thing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/08/28 12:11:34


Post by: AduroT


GW clearly gets dibs on skeletons as they own the copyright on human skulls if you recall from the old Chapterhouse lawsuit.


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Post by: Cronch


 auticus wrote:
Well AOS borrowed heavily from the warmachine design ethos when they aborted rank and flank battle from the design, so this is not surprising.

Truly, no other game in history of the world had squads on round bases before Warmachine. Certainly not some other GW property in which your army consists of groups of units on round bases with no flanks or ranks