DaKKaLAnce wrote: so is this old news? The necron rumours have been very quiet....
Well there is that single Ancient Evil line in white dwarf if you conveniently forget that could apply to about 50% of Games Workshop's armies and Necrons haven't been universally evil in years.
Decent odds it applies, but it's far from the only thing that line could refer to.
Consider the fact it would have been just as easy to scan and post the actual Necron article, if it existed, from that issue instead of a line that most likely applies to Warhammer undead.
adamsouza wrote: There is also often overlooked value of the psychological aspect of reanimation protocol has demoralizing your opponent. It's quite annoying to line up a shot, roll to hit, roll to wound, watch you fail saves, and then a minute later you roll and undo whatever he accomplished. Now, to add further insult to injury, you go, oh wait, I get to reroll those 1's.
Don't forget the Ghost Ark!
(so you can just replace any of the guys who weren't able to stand back up last turn)
Mmmm, that must be sweet,
"So basically, only a 2 or a 3 is bad... 'course, then I'll probably just add a couple guys back to the unit again next turn anyway, so... I dunno, I guess you can try shooting at them if you want?"
Seriously, the only way they could be better is if you could somehow give them Fearless so they wouldn't have to worry about getting swept in combat.
I still like RP cool gimmick even if its annoying, but then big models regaining pools of wounds, or invisible killteams going around wiping stuff out isnt annoying at all. Take it all away and you got sturdy metallic skeletons with no psychic ability.
Lets hope some more news shows up cause this thread really has just been a bunch of this needs to go this need to go this is too op this and that, some news man give us the news.
Out of curiosity do you guys think that Forgeworld will FAQ their neuron list, or will they ignore it much like they did when seventh came out and there where changes to the chariots?
Jaceevoke wrote: Out of curiosity do you guys think that Forgeworld will FAQ their neuron list, or will they ignore it much like they did when seventh came out and there where changes to the chariots?
Unlikely, they haven't FAQed anything from 40k to 7th yet to my knowledge.
Honestly though, all I really want them to prod into shape there is the Skyfire nerf making Gauss Sentry Pylons and the full scale pylons horrendously overpriced
Whether or not a special character who's abilities are mostly centred around buffing a unit into an assault unit can ride a barge or not is small potatoes next to that.
I tried out a regular opponent's Necron army the other night using the WD Monolith formation, and I can say without question that rerolling ones on RP and adding guys back during your movement phase is bonkers. It's like playing a Summoning Spam list. He played Tau, shot one big squad all to hell and then proceeded to utterly fail to kill anything else in the formation for good. Maybe five out of thirty stayed dead after he wiped the big blob out with some good luck and concentrated fire with 75% of the army. Narrow Maelstrom victory for him in all fairness. The demoralizing effect o not being able to put things down for good is pretty impressive. End of turn one we had a laugh about how absurd it was. I was like, imagine doing this on the regular! I've lost hours of my life to your stupid RP shenanigans! It's also worth noting that if the Monolith's teleportal stays the same in the new book, you can rally troops below 25% by sucking them up, disembarking, adding back models to bring you back over 25%.
Trust me, I didn't. Just couldn't figure out how to add it to the percentage equation
58.5% chance per model to reanimate, +100% chance to reanimate additional 1d3
It's actually 58.33% . Or, most precisely, 7/12.
Just messing with you on the correction, but that's a useful fraction to know when working out the mathhams on these. Also, for those who are curious, 5+ with RR to 1 is 7/18, and 3+ with RR to 1's is 7/9. /the-more-you-know
It's actually a nifty little progression when you include 6+:
7/36 to 7/18 to 7/12 to 7/9 to, well 35/36, which breaks the magic, but oh well. lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: To add to the RP discussions, though, I seriously doubt both the FNP and the invuln rumors. They sound quite a bit like the false rumors we heard running up to the 5th edition Dex.
I wouldn't be surprised to see somethings, like MSS, streamlined, however. Some of the RC gear as well.
aushlo wrote: I tried out a regular opponent's Necron army the other night using the WD Monolith formation, and I can say without question that rerolling ones on RP and adding guys back during your movement phase is bonkers. It's like playing a Summoning Spam list. He played Tau, shot one big squad all to hell and then proceeded to utterly fail to kill anything else in the formation for good. Maybe five out of thirty stayed dead after he wiped the big blob out with some good luck and concentrated fire with 75% of the army. Narrow Maelstrom victory for him in all fairness. The demoralizing effect o not being able to put things down for good is pretty impressive. End of turn one we had a laugh about how absurd it was. I was like, imagine doing this on the regular! I've lost hours of my life to your stupid RP shenanigans! It's also worth noting that if the Monolith's teleportal stays the same in the new book, you can rally troops below 25% by sucking them up, disembarking, adding back models to bring you back over 25%.
If you were rerolling 1s for the recursion formation then you were robbing your opponent. The reroll is for the Mephit dynasty FoC, the monolith regen is for the Formation, these thigns are mutually exclusive to the models within those detachements.
If you were rerolling 1s for the recursion formation then you were robbing your opponent. The reroll is for the Mephit dynasty FoC, the monolith regen is for the Formation, these thigns are mutually exclusive to the models within those detachements.
Huh, so it is! Not a huge deal, we were under the impression that it was a sticky warlord trait. It's cool, we've been playing it wrong for a few games then. Regardless, both rerolling ones, and the monolith really do add up to a major pain in the backside, even if taken separately. It did seem awfully strong.
Looks good at first though, huh? The whole cheaty thing with adding back guys to prevent further fallback is just rude. There's a lot to like about the Mephrit stuff,if it's any indicator I think Necrons will be a good codex even if the egregious stuff is nerfed a bit. I can claim ignorance anyway, I've never played them before Tuesday! I did also take a Tomb Spyder thinking it could just produce Scarabs. Oh well, it ate some guys and fixed a hull point at least!
DaKKaLAnce wrote: so is this old news? The necron rumours have been very quiet....
Well there is that single Ancient Evil line in white dwarf if you conveniently forget that could apply to about 50% of Games Workshop's armies and Necrons haven't been universally evil in years.
Decent odds it applies, but it's far from the only thing that line could refer to.
Consider the fact it would have been just as easy to scan and post the actual Necron article, if it existed, from that issue instead of a line that most likely applies to Warhammer undead.
I was just thinking, what are the chances the Crons get some kind of ignores cover mechanism? Maybe via relics or Royal Court gear? Or swapping twinlinked for Ignores Cover on the Stalkers lock on effect? That could be potentially amazing. If the Doomsday Arc had access to Ignores Cover from another unit you wouldn't need to change it's points.
-Rumors of Resurrection Protocols being dropped for Feel No .
For everyone who keeps saying this.
If we were getting FnP, wouldn't it be called FnP instead of Reanimation protocols as listed under the new Mephret Dynasty command benefit and the new Monolith formation? Deathstorm and that WD just came out. They wouldn't keep coining it Reanimation if they wanted to use a generic USR. It would be +1 to FnP rolls, just like it's named FnP in every other codex and supplement.
Is this flying over everybody's head but me? Or is this just a troll?
Since you edited my post to make it seem like I was saying the opposite of what I wrote are you trolling?
Back on topic, maybe we will have a reason to play with some of the name HQ's in the new Codex. To that end, can someone give Anykr a Res Orb please?!
Ooops, it does look like I'm honing in on you. Wasn't really referring to you per se, I was just generalizing about the rumor being a "troll". Your post was just the path of least resistance.
But back on the note of speculation, if GW give the cron codex the GK treatment, I swear I'll never give them another red cent. It will be all China and torrents from there....
I tecently started playing again since 4th/5th ed., and just happened to come back a few months before the 7th edition GK codex debut. Those bastards shelved one of my favorite armies with the belligerent neutering it was subjected to. I'm close to ebaying it.
All that 'belligerent neutering' you mentioned resulted in a stronger codex that can reliably hold its own vs nearly any other army in the game, while clearing up the bull crap that was the 5th ed grey knights codex.
Don't try and pretend like it was a terrible thing.
Neronoxx wrote: All that 'belligerent neutering' you mentioned resulted in a stronger codex that can reliably hold its own vs nearly any other army in the game, while clearing up the bull crap that was the 5th ed grey knights codex.
Don't try and pretend like it was a terrible thing.
And in the process freed up the non-marine units to be used as allies in any imperial force. (Or in the case of assassins using infiltrate to bypass setup restrictions, allies in any force.)
Ooops, it does look like I'm honing in on you. Wasn't really referring to you per se, I was just generalizing about the rumor being a "troll". Your post was just the path of least resistance.
But back on the note of speculation, if GW give the cron codex the GK treatment, I swear I'll never give them another red cent. It will be all China and torrents from there....
I tecently started playing again since 4th/5th ed., and just happened to come back a few months before the 7th edition GK codex debut. Those bastards shelved one of my favorite armies with the belligerent neutering it was subjected to. I'm close to ebaying it.
What, you don't like Codex: Dreadknight and Librarian?
Don't forget that it's an Imperial Codex as well, so it's got a billion-trillion-jillion allies. Allies Matrix, aka how even if every codex was balanced and had it's own strengths and weaknesses the game would still not be balanced.
skoffs wrote: Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!
I heard they're dividing it even further into Codex: Grey Knight Terminators and Terminator Accessories, Codex: Grey Knight Power Armour and Codex: Grey Knight Leftovers.
But in all seriousness it would be nice if we saw something. Hopefully the next batch of WD leaks will have something (if that line about Ancient Evil is referring to Necrons).
skoffs wrote: Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!
I heard they're dividing it even further into Codex: Grey Knight Terminators and Terminator Accessories, Codex: Grey Knight Power Armour and Codex: Grey Knight Leftovers.
But in all seriousness it would be nice if we saw something. Hopefully the next batch of WD leaks will have something (if that line about Ancient Evil is referring to Necrons).
I'll be back to see everyone's disgust when the ancient evil turns out to be Smaug model relaunch . The limited ones before Christmas, the new batch of $500 booster shots any day.
skoffs wrote: Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!
I heard they're dividing it even further into Codex: Grey Knight Terminators and Terminator Accessories, Codex: Grey Knight Power Armour and Codex: Grey Knight Leftovers.
But in all seriousness it would be nice if we saw something. Hopefully the next batch of WD leaks will have something (if that line about Ancient Evil is referring to Necrons).
I'll be back to see everyone's disgust when the ancient evil turns out to be Smaug model relaunch . The limited ones before Christmas, the new batch of $500 booster shots any day.
Will the reprint(?) Smaug be made of softer material and cost 85-90% of the original model?
Neronoxx wrote: All that 'belligerent neutering' you mentioned resulted in a stronger codex that can reliably hold its own vs nearly any other army in the game, while clearing up the bull crap that was the 5th ed grey knights codex.
Don't try and pretend like it was a terrible thing.
Sorry I can't agree with you. Where I see how freeing up Imperium assets to SMs was great for some, the fact is that it threw GK army lists in disarray (hurting FOC and gear load outs). Not a big deal if you play casually, but bad for competitive play.
Inquisition/GK/OA should have stayed together in one 'dex like it was originally conceived in 3rd, and called it what it really is...Forces of the Inquisition. Call them Imperium battle brothers all you want, but they're all tools of the inquisition. You'd still be able to ally them. But that's another thread altogether.
Just saying, what is awesome about the Necrons is their distinct contrast to the rest of the armies in 40k. The way they play and their new dynamics, broke the mold when they originally launched.
The simplifying and homogenization of a codex to cater to the lowest common denominator infuriates me. GW just needs to hire a rules lawyer who has a strong handle of the English language to clarify rule dynamics (unlike myself ) and ambiguity.
Nyghoma wrote: Inquisition/GK/OA should have stayed together in one 'dex like it was originally conceived in 3rd, and called it what it really is...Forces of the Inquisition. Call them Imperium battle brothers all you want, but they're all tools of the inquisition. You'd still be able to ally them. But that's another thread altogether.
Inq/GK/Assassins weren't originally conceived in the same codex in third. Just saying... Know your history if you're going to quote it.
If the rumored recut plastic Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer rumors are true, it would be the perfect time for them to add other weapon options to Destroyers.
Just the current JP discount roughly commiserate with what other units like Nipple Wing have been getting would help Ds/HDs & TPs a bunch. Something like 7 points per model. Also, I'm definitely with down with some new weapons, although a desire to keep them diversified with Tomb Blades might keep GW from going to crazy with them.
It's the limited edition version. Now, whether it comes with a supplement like the Ork and DE version or just a special copy of the codex like the BA one is still to be seen.
Hopefully it's the former, but looking at the price I'm guessing the later.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: So..C'tan are getting random powers? Because when I think incarnations of an orderly universe, I think random.
Don't Impe... AM have cards for their orders? May just be "reminders" and C'tan powers work as they do in the current codex.
Hm, that's true, I forgot about those.
Looks like they are cutting down on the powers; there's only six of them.
Which is fine, I suppose; most of the powers in the 5th ed book were crap anyway. As long as they keep the original powers from the 3rd ed book, I'm happy.
$28! TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS!!!?.!?!?! For one monopose HQ with no options? For much cheaper you can get a SM or CSM commander with oodles of great extra bits. But those kits are from before the single SPRUE character phase, which I used to think was great, but at these prices NO GOD-DANG THANK YOU.
catharsix wrote: $28! TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS!!!?.!?!?! For one monopose HQ with no options? For much cheaper you can get a SM or CSM commander with oodles of great extra bits. But those kits are from before the single SPRUE character phase, which I used to think was great, but at these prices NO GOD-DANG THANK YOU.
-C6
Oh wow. That's dumb. Really dumb. Thank god you get a plastic Overlord with the CCB/AB. Every Necron Player has 2+ Overlords already.
Damn. Cryptek edition. $200 Canadian. I wonder what it entails. I guess it if includes a supplement it may be worth it otherwise, not so sure. Also is it limited edition? Did I miss it saying it's a limited release?
Davor wrote: Damn. Cryptek edition. $200 Canadian. I wonder what it entails. I guess it if includes a supplement it may be worth it otherwise, not so sure. Also is it limited edition? Did I miss it saying it's a limited release?
Probably book, coins, artwork. Chance of a supplement that will be released separately in the future?
Davor wrote: Damn. Cryptek edition. $200 Canadian. I wonder what it entails. I guess it if includes a supplement it may be worth it otherwise, not so sure. Also is it limited edition? Did I miss it saying it's a limited release?
Probably book, coins, artwork. Chance of a supplement that will be released separately in the future?
Thanks. Not really looking forward to paying almost quadruple the price for just coins and artwork. So no supplements included now eh? That is a shame.
The Cryptek edition is the same price as the BA 'special edition' ($165) on the GW website that plus the image describing it the 'most vaunted' of all editions suggests to me that it is special in the sense that it has a few more pages of random stuff.
Also, I suppose this goes against the rumor that the Necron codex (120 pgs) will be roughly the size of the SM codex (176 pgs).
BA 117pgs
DEldar 112 pgs DAngels 104 pgs AM 104 pgs SW 104 pgs
It looks completely inline size-wise with the latest codices.
It makes me a little worried though.
The necron codex could have explored major sects within the NECRON faction (i.e. CTan, Cryptek/Canoptek, Destroyers, Flayers as well as the Necrons proper along with any dynasties).
To get all of that done in the same pages as the BAs where they have only Death company, Tacs and HQs suggests there may not be much depth to some or most of the sects.
50 pages less than SM codex might suggest that the codex will focus on Dynasties details and just tweak the other units.
Making a 'Cryptek Edition' suggests that they will have some expanded focus in the new codex. That's consistent with the rumors.
Dark Eldar got 6 combat drugs cards.
Space wolves got 7 physic abilities cards.
The Blood Angels got sanguinary discipline physic cards.
In those cases, the special cards were added because it was expected that they would be routinely used by their respective players as part of normal play.
Hmmm, a Necron codex where CTan are expected to be fielded as routinely used as physic powers suggests that the shards have been completely reworked (Yeah!! Thank you GW!!)
The best part is we have confirmation that the codex is almost here.
NecronLord3 wrote: Looks like Necrons are getting psychic-esque powers by the looks of the data cards. "C'tan cards"?
What if we have to cast the T. C'tans abilities? Would that balance him out more, make it more palatable for the mainstream?
Doesn't have to be, could also mean it's just easier to keep track of them.
The Blood Angel cards specifically said it were Psychic abilities.
One more thing: If it were random Psychic powers they would have 7, for the Primaris.
This also confirms that Crypteks won't be Psykers I guess?
RivenSkull wrote: Oh wow. That's dumb. Really dumb. Thank god you get a plastic Overlord with the CCB/AB. Every Necron Player has 2+ Overlords already.
Okay, what's The Tomb Awakened and why does it cost £115?
As for the Zarathusa clampack: I'll probably buy it, four of my... I think I have about nine? Lords only really differ in what arms they have so I could use the improved diversity amongst generic court members.
With any luck it comes with at least some wargear options.
lord_blackfang wrote: Kits come out before the codex, right? So if we're seeing the codex, that means no kits. Bummer.
It depends. If its a three-week release with 3+ new kits, they devote a week before the Codex to a new kit or two. Week 2 is always the Codex + plus a kit. Then week three is another kit.
So, if its a two week release, we could get one kit + codex this week, and then something else next week.
lord_blackfang wrote: Kits come out before the codex, right? So if we're seeing the codex, that means no kits. Bummer.
It varies, but they'd probably front load with something more exciting than a leader model they already have about five or six variants of (even if only one isn't finecast and a lot of them are specific named Overlords, it's still a lot of Lord/Overlord models) if they actually had anything more exciting.
JuniorRS13 wrote: Im guessing there will also be reboxes for the new sized bases, much like the blood angels with the death company and sanguinary guard.
We don't have much in the way of Jump Infantry that would make proper use of those.
JuniorRS13 wrote: Im guessing there will also be reboxes for the new sized bases, much like the blood angels with the death company and sanguinary guard.
We don't have much in the way of Jump Infantry that would make proper use of those.
. Well since the BA tactical marines were released on 32mm... And the Necron Warriors have already been pictured on 32mm your point is?
JuniorRS13 wrote: Im guessing there will also be reboxes for the new sized bases, much like the blood angels with the death company and sanguinary guard.
We don't have much in the way of Jump Infantry that would make proper use of those.
. Well since the BA tactical marines were released on 32mm... And the Necron Warriors have already been pictured on 32mm your point is?
Ah, that's silly. Not much reason to box Tacticals on a jump infantry base.
GW said that the 32mm bases were just done because the designers thought it looked cooler for larger infantry models (like Space Marines). Whether that's actually the case or not is debatable (they could just be saying that) but they are correct, Space Marines look much better on 32mm bases (as do the wide-legged Necron Warriors).
JuniorRS13 wrote: Im guessing there will also be reboxes for the new sized bases, much like the blood angels with the death company and sanguinary guard.
We don't have much in the way of Jump Infantry that would make proper use of those.
. Well since the BA tactical marines were released on 32mm... And the Necron Warriors have already been pictured on 32mm your point is?
Ah, that's silly. Not much reason to box Tacticals on a jump infantry base.
well the base size has nothing to do with jump infantry.
JuniorRS13 wrote: I was under the impression that all troops were being moved to 32 mm bases eventually.
Sure, just give them twenty years and they'll get right on that.
Anyhow, guess we just need to try to get on with our lives for a few days until more pages leak. Seems a little weird to me that you'd only upload the preorders box if you had an early copy of White Dwarf.
Since I do not need anymore Overlord figures like the new clamshell I will use the money I save to help fund the deluxe Codex.
My metal Deceiver that I painted to look like the Joker is ready to be used as my "improved" C'tan piece!
Data Cards will be needed.
Tomb Awakened is the only real unknown. Will there be some ultra cool and/or unique pieces or a unit of rebased Warriors, the new OL, and a bunch of stuff I already have? Alternately, perhaps a bunch of Praetorians that now cost 30? My personal preference is for something not worth picking up followed by an uber Destroyer rebox.
catharsix wrote: $28! TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS!!!?.!?!?! For one monopose HQ with no options? For much cheaper you can get a SM or CSM commander with oodles of great extra bits. But those kits are from before the single SPRUE character phase, which I used to think was great, but at these prices NO GOD-DANG THANK YOU.
-C6
Haha, this makes me giggle a bit more than perhaps it should. We can all agree with the ridiculous price, but that is in line (and priced in between) the Marine, Dark Eldar and other monopose sprue packs. (clampacks?)
And for everyone speculating about the the Cryptek Edition, the recent Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard Edition is likely the best compare point.
Same price at $165 - Art prints and a painting guide in a unique hardback cover and case. But we shall see!
Tomb Awakens has to be a formation/new battle force at that price.
NakedSeamus wrote: I assume that the tomb awakens thing is a supplement with some more formations and stuff like that one space wolf book.
I was thinking something more in line with stuff like the Tyranid Swarm type bundles.
Speaking of, wasn't the Mephrit Dynasty Bundle released in December 2014? Why would they release a product right before the new Necron codex and not have the new Warrior bases if changing base size is something GW is intending to do?
lord_blackfang wrote: Kits come out before the codex, right? So if we're seeing the codex, that means no kits. Bummer.
It varies, but they'd probably front load with something more exciting than a leader model they already have about five or six variants of (even if only one isn't finecast and a lot of them are specific named Overlords, it's still a lot of Lord/Overlord models) if they actually had anything more exciting.
Only potential new kit for a week two would possibly be new Destroyers, which would likely be a recut rather than a brand new unit/model. But I doubt it.
catharsix wrote: $28! TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS!!!?.!?!?! For one monopose HQ with no options? For much cheaper you can get a SM or CSM commander with oodles of great extra bits. But those kits are from before the single SPRUE character phase, which I used to think was great, but at these prices NO GOD-DANG THANK YOU.
-C6
Haha, this makes me giggle a bit more than perhaps it should. We can all agree with the ridiculous price, but that is in line (and priced in between) the Marine, Dark Eldar and other monopose sprue packs. (clampacks?)
And for everyone speculating about the the Cryptek Edition, the recent Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard Edition is likely the best compare point.
Same price at $165 - Art prints and a painting guide in a unique hardback cover and case. But we shall see!
Tomb Awakens has to be a formation/new battle force at that price.
A painting guide for Necrons? Leadbelcher, nuln oil, Necron compound, shoulderpads, details and glowy energy things in your Dynasty's preferred colours. Done.
Gunther wrote: 50 pages less than SM codex might suggest that the codex will focus on Dynasties details and just tweak the other units.
Nah. This'll be another "Diet Codex" like the few before it, with a reduction of options, some formations and some overbalancing of some powerful units (even if they're not powerful in 7th, because GW writing has a serious amount of lag).
Gunther wrote: 50 pages less than SM codex might suggest that the codex will focus on Dynasties details and just tweak the other units.
Nah. This'll be another "Diet Codex" like the few before it, with a reduction of options, some formations and some overbalancing of some powerful units (even if they're not powerful in 7th, because GW writing has a serious amount of lag).
It depends. If its a three-week release with 3+ new kits, they devote a week before the Codex to a new kit or two. Week 2 is always the Codex + plus a kit. Then week three is another kit.
So, if its a two week release, we could get one kit + codex this week, and then something else next week.
Do we have any good reasonably good information regarding what is coming after Necrons?
Are there 2 or 3 weeks in the schedule before the next rumored releases?
Have I been given any reason to think otherwise? The army to get the most amount of new stuff in recent months has been the Tyranids, and they weren't a Codex release.
It depends. If its a three-week release with 3+ new kits, they devote a week before the Codex to a new kit or two. Week 2 is always the Codex + plus a kit. Then week three is another kit.
So, if its a two week release, we could get one kit + codex this week, and then something else next week.
Do we have any good reasonably good information regarding what is coming after Necrons?
Are there 2 or 3 weeks in the schedule before the next rumored releases?
There have been rumors of Harlequins...
Off course, there is the Chaos End Times book for Fantasy.
Sisters are Rumored around May.
The next Sanctus Reach/Shield of Baal type campaign is due around then as well... and rumors say that it is a revisit of the Dark Vengence box with Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines warband, The Crimson Slaughter.
Have I been given any reason to think otherwise? The army to get the most amount of new stuff in recent months has been the Tyranids, and they weren't a Codex release.
Well I think we all can agree the current 'nid dex was a complete misfire. When considering the Tervigon it was actually a step backwards.
What do the Necrons need or un-need? Nerfs...buffs.? They are pretty much all win right now.
Davor wrote: Damn. Cryptek edition. $200 Canadian. I wonder what it entails. I guess it if includes a supplement it may be worth it otherwise, not so sure. Also is it limited edition? Did I miss it saying it's a limited release?
Probably book, coins, artwork. Chance of a supplement that will be released separately in the future?
Am I the only person who has spent enough time with the GW releases over the last year to predict/understand how this works?
barebones codex $49.50 USD
Tomb Awakend $185 - since later on the WD calls out cryptex as a codex, this has to be a box set.
Codex: Cryptex editon: - LIMITED ED $165 USD - this is your fancy limited edition codex, and artwork. possibly fancy box/cover sleeves. possibly coins and probably painting guide.
(For 165 and no other codex versions, it's more likely that there's a painting guide and not a supplement. The other limited codices that have come out had painting guides and supplements were like over $200 USD. When they offered more than limited codex version that had a supplement, you had to buy the super expensive version to get the supplement. The cheaper limited edition codex only had a painting guide, and artwork. )
Have I been given any reason to think otherwise? The army to get the most amount of new stuff in recent months has been the Tyranids, and they weren't a Codex release.
Well I think we all can agree the current 'nid dex was a complete misfire. When considering the Tervigon it was actually a step backwards.
What do the Necrons need or un-need? Nerfs...buffs.? They are pretty much all win right now.
'Nids were gutted from the Chapterhouse lawsuit and the first to suffer.
I've put most of my crons on 32mm bases just because of how wide their legs are and it really does look the world better, more room for customizing as well.
Ill be getting that cryptek edition for sure, i get paid the same day it comes out.....bye bye money
(For 165 and no other codex versions, it's more likely that there's a painting guide and not a supplement. The other limited codices that have come out had painting guides and supplements were like over $200 USD. When they offered more than limited codex version that had a supplement, you had to buy the super expensive version to get the supplement. The cheaper limited edition codex only had a painting guide, and artwork. )
Well, if the Codex truly has a bunch of formations in it, the concept of a Ghazzy/Champions of Fenris/Haemonculi-Covens-style supplement is dead anyways, as they mostly boiled down to formations for the Codex but not in the Codex.
I love Necrons, but Im guessing this codex is going to be like the other 7th ed ones, bland and dull? I really like that Lord model though, £17 is a lot of money, not that I expected otherwise with Skaven characters (on 20mm square bases) being £13.50...
ImAGeek wrote: That Cryptek edition does look awesome...
I love Necrons, but Im guessing this codex is going to be like the other 7th ed ones, bland and dull? I really like that Lord model though, £17 is a lot of money, not that I expected otherwise with Skaven characters (on 20mm square bases) being £13.50...
We in Australia have had to deal with $25+ characters for awhile now, so the Overlord's cost is no surprise.
With the Necron book I think we can expect repricing of Wraiths, Night Scythes (both up), destroyers, doom scythes, and doomsday arks (all down), the removal of a -lot- of the Cryptek gear, and the removal/utter change of the way MSS works (probably just a normal Ld check, if fail - WS1) or something like that.
From what I can see it's a formation... and the image on it has a the new overlord, a lord and a cryptek (I think? not sure about the cryptek but it looks to be holding the same staff the cryptek model has) But that's all I can make out.
However, this new codex definitely has more than one formation(or at least the limited edition does) as the card below it ALSO has the formation symbol.
EDIT because of previous posts: So Royal Courts are now formations... not awesome but at least we didn't lose them.
EDIT because of previous posts: So Royal Courts are now formations... not awesome but at least we didn't lose them.
Pretty much confirms the rumour that Crypteks will become their own option, maybe like Ork Meks where you take a certain number of them per Overlord or something.
They surely fixed them, perhaps not enough to be tournament stuff.. But anything is better than their current implementation.
Same goes for the Praetorians.
The discount is nice, but I already have 2 Stalkers, 8 Lords, 5 Barges and 40 Immortals.
I do think it's sad we don't see a new model or unit in it.
Build-a-bear rules. It told you which wargear options he took from the Crimson Slaughter supplement... An approach I actually like and wish was more common as it allows you to build custom characters with elements of a unique character. More variety in theory.
I wonder how this RC-Formation will work out.
With making it a Formation it seems like we might no longer need an Overlord to unlock the Royal Court.
Royal Court was almost a formation anyway: Non FOC models who don't need to stick together. With any luck this will make them a little more flexible without stripping their current utility.
changemod wrote: Build-a-bear rules. It told you which wargear options he took from the Crimson Slaughter supplement... An approach I actually like and wish was more common as it allows you to build custom characters with elements of a unique character. More variety in theory.
So like the HQ's from the Campaigns?
Royal Court was almost a formation anyway: Non FOC models who don't need to stick together. With any luck this will make them a little more flexible without stripping their current utility.
The big questions remain: -Do we need to unlock it? That would be unique for a Formation. -Are we keeping the Lords? Because I can see Crypteks becoming an HQ-choice, but have a hard time imagining it for Lords. Unless we get Lords that upgrade to an Overlord, like the Brother-Captain from Grey Knights. -What are the bonuses and requirements? Keeping it as a 0-5 of both seems nice, but then I wonder why we'd ever take them as a regular slot (except for lame tournaments that ban Formations)
You know, I've imagined so many ways how they would handle the Royal Court. And I have to say that I did not expect this, though it seems so obvious now! One sad thing: An RC-Cryptek can never take a God Shackle :(
Kangodo wrote: They surely fixed them, perhaps not enough to be tournament stuff.. But anything is better than their current implementation.
Same goes for the Praetorians.
The discount is nice, but I already have 2 Stalkers, 8 Lords, 5 Barges and 40 Immortals.
I do think it's sad we don't see a new model or unit in it.
I only have a Barge and 5 Immortals currently so I might pick one of those sets up.
We aren't getting any new units are we? So the only new model they could put in there would be the Lord and I guess that's a bit redundant with the CCB overlord in there.
Kangodo wrote: Keeping it as a 0-5 of both seems nice, but then I wonder why we'd ever take them as a regular slot (except for lame tournaments that ban Formations)
If Crypteks are an HQ choice outside of the court formation, you could buy one for a small points game for maybe 50-60 points with wargear.
That Cryptek edition does bring up a big question though: If they can fit all their rules on an A5 deck of cards, why not just sell that deck of cards for seven bucks like the tactical cards?
changemod wrote: If Crypteks are an HQ choice outside of the court formation, you could buy one for a small points game for maybe 50-60 points with wargear.
That would be a very cheap HQ, giving us more points for other stuff.
Though I really hope our named HQ's are finally getting boosted as I have all but Anrakyr.
That Cryptek edition does bring up a big question though: If they can fit all their rules on an A5 deck of cards, why not just sell that deck of cards for seven bucks like the tactical cards?
(Because money)
Well, they need something to force us to spend an additional 100 euro on a book.
That's less than 5! euro per card, really cheap.. Right?
ImAGeek wrote: I only have a Barge and 5 Immortals currently so I might pick one of those sets up.
We aren't getting any new units are we? So the only new model they could put in there would be the Lord and I guess that's a bit redundant with the CCB overlord in there.
Don't forget that Praetorians are also Lychguard.
And Immortals can also be turned into Deathmarks.
Not 100% sure about new models, the Blood Angels had new units that weren't in the set.
But they were, if I remember it correctly, released before the Codex.
Though they could always do something different now.
Anyhow, if we've got a lot of formations and a new FOC here, and the Mephrit FOC and a handful of formations back in Exterminatus... I guess they figure we already have our supplement. Not ideal, but at least it's some extended options.
Not as good as the Blood Angels ended up with from Exterminatus though: The main codex was horribly elites heavy, and between the Archangels Strike Force and various Elites formations you got enough options in Exterminatus to patch that up. At the end of the day if you had both things the only thing you lost out on was Assault Marines as Troops, forcing you to either go unbound or take a generic marines tax from their shiny new tactical box they'd released my what a strange coincidence.
...If they do rebox warriors, can they please at least fix the cheeks attached to sprues issue? That's a nightmare to clean up without damaging the head.
Ooh, that's what I ment Though they did get "new" units in the Campaign.
@changemod: Not really sure about that. The Necron inside me is happier with Exterminatus than the Blood Angel-player in me. I think the Necrons got better Traits, Relics and Formations than the BA. The BA-Formations seem to be more suited for Apocalypse.
...If they do rebox warriors, can they please at least fix the cheeks attached to sprues issue? That's a nightmare to clean up without damaging the head.
And can they be stood up please, not squatting?
I doubt we'll get new Warriors though, unfortunately.
Looking at the picture of the Cryptek edition codex, the top royal court card, as previously mentioned, shows the new lord model, an existing fine-cast lord model and the current Cryptek model.
That suggests that the rumors of a new Cryptek clampak are less likely to be accurate.
That is, unless, they repackaged the same fine-cast model as a plastic.
I suppose it is still possible that we will get a new cryptek model.
Due to the manufacturing lead time, the model may not have been available for the photo shoot (but the new lord model was??).
Also, wouldn't having the Royal Court be a formation of x Lords and Y Crypteks suggest that they would not be a separate HQ choice as well?
Unless this is a Formation with a specific command benefit beyond the ability to allow the members to join other squads.
Under the command benefit there is definitely text but only one paragraph.
Surely, can't be a formation that is expected to work on its own, right?
Kangodo wrote: Ooh, that's what I ment Though they did get "new" units in the Campaign.
@changemod: Not really sure about that.
The Necron inside me is happier with Exterminatus than the Blood Angel-player in me.
I think the Necrons got better Traits, Relics and Formations than the BA.
The BA-Formations seem to be more suited for Apocalypse.
Basically, you can ally and Archangels Strike Force or take one of the three terminator, veteran or death company formations and suddenly you have a bunch of Elites already and four Elites slots left in your main detachment.
Blood Angels got a lot of elite slot manipulation, Necrons got three pages of pretty cool rules and three mostly useless ones.
...If they do rebox warriors, can they please at least fix the cheeks attached to sprues issue? That's a nightmare to clean up without damaging the head.
And can they be stood up please, not squatting?
I doubt we'll get new Warriors though, unfortunately.
Hunched seems to be the natural Necrontyr posture, though the Overlords can confuse that issue slightly.
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Chad Warden wrote: I'm surprised Wraiths are still on 40mm, always thought they were too big for those.
Not really: They have quite wide contact points with their base and even on 40mm tend to fall over on the slight slopes Realm of Battle boards have.
I don't mind the hunch that like the Immortals have, but the Warriors are too far I think, and they all look he same, at least the Immortals have different poses.
ImAGeek wrote: I don't mind the hunch that like the Immortals have, but the Warriors are too far I think, and they all look he same, at least the Immortals have different poses.
Honestly, I found my Warriors way more posable than the Immortals, who are forced to hold their arms in a precise manner to line up the cables connecting to their back.
I even have one guy in each Warrior squad in a close combat pose: Axe blade bayonet raised overhead for a strike.
I just mean the Warriors legs, they're all just stood with their legs spread. At least the Immortal legs are walking and stuff, although I agree the rest of the model is a bitch to pose.
Kangodo wrote: Keeping it as a 0-5 of both seems nice, but then I wonder why we'd ever take them as a regular slot (except for lame tournaments that ban Formations)
If Crypteks are an HQ choice outside of the court formation, you could buy one for a small points game for maybe 50-60 points with wargear.
That Cryptek edition does bring up a big question though: If they can fit all their rules on an A5 deck of cards, why not just sell that deck of cards for seven bucks like the tactical cards?
(Because money)
Why does everyone think the Royal Court is a formation? The description clearly states the cards are the UNITS in the codex. DE kept their court unit, no reason to think Necrons' will be changed to a formation.
Kangodo wrote: Keeping it as a 0-5 of both seems nice, but then I wonder why we'd ever take them as a regular slot (except for lame tournaments that ban Formations)
If Crypteks are an HQ choice outside of the court formation, you could buy one for a small points game for maybe 50-60 points with wargear.
That Cryptek edition does bring up a big question though: If they can fit all their rules on an A5 deck of cards, why not just sell that deck of cards for seven bucks like the tactical cards?
(Because money)
Why does everyone think the Royal Court is a formation? The description clearly states the cards are the UNITS in the codex. DE kept their court unit, no reason to think Necrons' will be changed to a formation.
Because there's roughly seven more cards than actually needed to cover all the units and the FOC symbol in the corner is the formation symbol, not the HQ symbol.
changemod wrote: Basically, you can ally and Archangels Strike Force or take one of the three terminator, veteran or death company formations and suddenly you have a bunch of Elites already and four Elites slots left in your main detachment.
Yeah, but do we want them?
That's like giving Necrons a Detachment that can take 5 HS with a restriction to Doomsday Arks.
The Orbital Intervention also requires THREE units of Terminators, the DC-Formation needs two Dreads, and it continues like that.
The "most interesting" ones are a formation that requires three Stormraven Gunships and the one that needs 30 Veterans in total.
Nevermind, the three Stormravens are from WD...
I also don't like any of the Relics, the Traits are 'meh' and the Formation-rules are okay-ish but way too little for these Apocalypse Formations.
After Champions of Fenris I was really excited, but now I am glad I didn't buy the book.
Now to the Necron-stuff:
Those Relics make me so happy that I almost need to cry.
Nearly all Traits are totally worth it in my opinion.
The Detachment is awesome and I would always take it over a CAD.
The C'tan Formation is incredibly awesome.
The other two are 'meh', a bit too expensive and restrictive (lacks AB's).
So in my opinion, as a Blood Angel ánd Necron-player, this book has more interesting stuff for Necrons than for BA.
ClassicCarraway wrote: Why does everyone think the Royal Court is a formation? The description clearly states the cards are the UNITS in the codex. DE kept their court unit, no reason to think Necrons' will be changed to a formation.
Do you see the two icons in the corner? It's the same as in other books:
It's the logo for a Formation, which leads me to believe (99.9999% sure) that it is a Formation.
Kosake wrote: 130 € for a codex? Have they completely lost their mind? This is just mindnumbingly stupid, even by GW standards. I'm lost for words here.
We're the other special edition ones not that price too? I remember Space Wolves had an even more expensive super duper LE one.
changemod wrote: Basically, you can ally and Archangels Strike Force or take one of the three terminator, veteran or death company formations and suddenly you have a bunch of Elites already and four Elites slots left in your main detachment.
Yeah, but do we want them?
That's like giving Necrons a Detachment that can take 5 HS with a restriction to Doomsday Arks.
The Orbital Intervention also requires THREE units of Terminators, the DC-Formation needs two Dreads, and it continues like that.
The "most interesting" ones are a formation that requires three Stormraven Gunships and the one that needs 30 Veterans in total.
Nevermind, the three Stormravens are from WD...
I also don't like any of the Relics, the Traits are 'meh' and the Formation-rules are okay-ish but way too little for these Apocalypse Formations.
After Champions of Fenris I was really excited, but now I am glad I didn't buy the book.
With an allied Archangels force you can take any two choices from Dreadnoughts, Terminators and Veterans, leaving you four slots open for Death Guard and Sangiunary Guard... So yes? It's a fairly ideal solution to the main issue with the codex. The formations are costly point sinks that tie you in to a dedicated theme, but they offer three themes so it's still tools to help out there.
Now to the Necron-stuff:
Those Relics make me so happy that I almost need to cry.
Nearly all Traits are totally worth it in my opinion.
The Detachment is awesome and I would always take it over a CAD.
The C'tan Formation is incredibly awesome.
The other two are 'meh', a bit too expensive and restrictive (lacks AB's).
So in my opinion, as a Blood Angel ánd Necron-player, this book has more interesting stuff for Necrons than for BA.
It's basically Solar Thermesite, C'tan stuff and a traits table with a buff for troops (Kinda forcing you to field at least 30 troops models to be worthwhile, not a huge downside but worth noting in that it limits list variation). It's neat toys, but doesn't fix any serious issues with the base codex and fits into three pages in a large book.
Sasori wrote: I am going to try my damnedest to get that Cryptek Edition.
This is the only Army I'll buy the special edition for, it's my first love in Warhammer 40k.
I just hope it doesn't sell out!
I wouldn't worry about it. Hardback editions of books later released as softcover sell out shockingly fast, but the special edition codices hang around for a while.
You can still get the Blood Angels one, for example.
changemod wrote: With an allied Archangels force you can take any two choices from Dreadnoughts, Terminators and Veterans, leaving you four slots open for Death Guard and Sangiunary Guard... So yes? It's a fairly ideal solution to the main issue with the codex. The formations are costly point sinks that tie you in to a dedicated theme, but they offer three themes so it's still tools to help out there.
I always compare it to the Fenris-book. A Detachment with 6 Elite-slots and +1WS on a lot of units. Their Formations are pretty small and cheap, having an average of around 3-4 units with great rules. I hoped that BA/Necron-formations would be like that too, small additions you add to your army. But now they turned out to be entire armies on their own.
Blood Angels do not really have a problem in their Elite-slot, since you probably wouldn't take four elite-slots anyway. And if you did, it wouldn't be Veterans or Dreads. The issue lies more in the HQ-slot, now that Priests and Chaplains are HQ's and they replace the Librarians and SC's I always loved to take. I would have been so happy with the CotGW-Detachment, giving me 4 HQ and 8 Elites. Too bad they need to be Space Wolves-Faction.
It's basically Solar Thermesite, C'tan stuff and a traits table with a buff for troops (Kinda forcing you to field at least 30 troops models to be worthwhile, not a huge downside but worth noting in that it limits list variation). It's neat toys, but doesn't fix any serious issues with the base codex and fits into three pages in a large book.
Let's not forget the amazing Edge of Eternity and the God Shackle. So far, from different fora, I have seen more excited Necron-players than Blood Angel-players. That is basically what I am saying: The Necron in me is happier than the BA, even though the 60 euro is still too much for only three pages of Necron-stuff.
I wouldn't call it a limitation. People with minimal troops are better off with the CAD, while people with large Troops gain a lot of value out of the Detachment. It gives a viable option that really promotes an already popular build. Stuff like that is what I would like to see more: "Oh, you like AV-13 lists? Here, have a Detachment that helps you!"
Kangodo wrote: Let's not forget the amazing Edge of Eternity and the God Shackle.
God Shackle is C'tan stuff.
As for the Edge: It's mostly useless unless you use the"Always Hits on 2+" interpretation. Hitting someone before they can use a strength 10 weapon is nice, but how often is that going to come up when you're not in a challenge?
I thought you referred to the Formation Well, I use the "All hits are Precision Hits"-interpretation.
It allows me to kill the Sergeant in a Challenge and allocate the remaining wounds to the IC with a Powerfist, or hidden Powerfists against certain armies.
Perhaps I value it more because I also play BA and often fight BT and Orks.
ID'ing two Nobs with Power Klaws can really save the day for my CCB.
I value these three Relics much higher than "PE that costs you an arm and a leg", "possible ID against MC's", "Ignore SitW", "Poison immune" and the Baelsor.
The best of them is probably the Poisoned Boltgun.
Boxset is right at 20% off the price of the models or like 5% off if you don't include the lychguard/praetorians. If it's available as a normal retailer item and you can get another 20-25% off it's a pretty solid deal for the box set. Especially when 2 is likely to net you a nice 1,500pt force depending on the new point values. Pretty solid actually.
Kangodo wrote: Let's not forget the amazing Edge of Eternity and the God Shackle.
God Shackle is C'tan stuff.
As for the Edge: It's mostly useless unless you use the"Always Hits on 2+" interpretation. Hitting someone before they can use a strength 10 weapon is nice, but how often is that going to come up when you're not in a challenge?
With Edge of Eternity, you can use it on a barge lord and sweep attack at 2+ with precision strikes, killing the powerfist/melta bomb Sargent every time.. Well... at least for now.
Hulksmash wrote: Boxset is right at 20% off the price of the models or like 5% off if you don't include the lychguard/praetorians. If it's available as a normal retailer item and you can get another 20-25% off it's a pretty solid deal for the box set. Especially when 2 is likely to net you a nice 1,500pt force depending on the new point values. Pretty solid actually.
Considering that you'll also get ten Deathmark heads in the box set, that's five Royal Court per box even if they haven't successfully fixed one of the assault elites.
Hulksmash wrote: Boxset is right at 20% off the price of the models or like 5% off if you don't include the lychguard/praetorians. If it's available as a normal retailer item and you can get another 20-25% off it's a pretty solid deal for the box set. Especially when 2 is likely to net you a nice 1,500pt force depending on the new point values. Pretty solid actually.
Unless you're in Australia, where the price is around 42% more than the straight GBP->AUD conversion!
That book looks good...but man, I'm having a hard time keeping up. I should be dropping armies, instead I keep starting new ones Ah well, I suppose it's better this than going to bar tabs and vidya games
codex was suposedly leaked, havent seen any pages yet though.
Dont know if I believe gauss is sx2 on a roll of 6 or that tesla dident change any at all though.
aparently shards have 4 different manifestations/ weapon choices, and 6 powers that have to be rolled randomly at the beginning like psychic powers.
mindshackle scarabs rumor that it just inflicts a Ld or the unit suffers from fear would be nice though. but aparently there is a mindshackle scarab relic that does the same exact thing as the last one did, only on just 2d6 dice, so I imaging that will be taken every list forever anyways, and we will see no difference other than the effectiveness of it.
I read those too on /tg/
But he yelled stuff that was mostly on Faeit212 some week or two ago and ran away without giving a source.
In other news:
via TKoS on Faeit 212
I have your first Necron leak for you.
There will be a few new rules but no new units (And the obligatory 7th Ed “Balance” that we have all come to know and love)
a grand total of 12 hot new formations, ranging from mostly chaff to absolutely broken.
One of the bigger changes is that Cryptexs and Necron Lords now occupy an HQ slot of their own. For every HQ character in your list, you are allowed to take one of the new Cryptex/Lord detachment (ala warlock council) which is between one and five characters each.
The old royal courts we know and love are gone, but are now a formation (Aptly called a Royal Court) consisting of an Overlord, 1+ Cryptexs, and 1+ Lords.
The Overlord may not take a Command Barge, and all the characters are clumped into one unit.
+1 to reanimation protocol (which is not going away or changing) which stacks with a resurrection orb, and some other buffs that I can’t remember, but one had to do with phaerons (Oh, and any phaeron in your detachment MUST be your overlord).
Sounds reliable, but that might be because a lot of info is already known.
Page 32 had the first pic, with the price and everything.
So we were discussing the box.
Then on page 34 we got the picture and the content, which we continued to discuss.
No Troops? I haven't read my Necron codex in a long time so not sure if the guys with the double guns are troops or not. (been so long forgot the names as well)
Is there any savings here? $240 seems quite a bit. Is this an all in one bundle deal or is there actual savings like in the Tyranid kits?
RivenSkull wrote: So it sounds like for each Overlord you can only get 1 Cryptek and 1 Lord?
1-5, but we have no confirmation of that.
It really sounds strange.
As I read it you can take a Formation for every HQ.
That would be awesome, units unlocking access to Formations seems like a fun way to handle stuff like this.
The strange part is that a RC has:
-1 Overlord
-1 to 5 Crypteks
-1 to 5 Lords
If I already need a HQ to unlock this Formation, why would I want an additional Overlord?
There is such a thing as too many HQ's
Sounds reliable, but that might be because a lot of info is already known.
Still. They way it's presented on Faeit is wrong. Reanimation Protocols did change to a "save"-like mechanism before a model is removed, similar (but not identical to) FNP. It's no longer something you roll after a model has been removed as a casualty.
RivenSkull wrote: So it sounds like for each Overlord you can only get 1 Cryptek and 1 Lord?
1-5, but we have no confirmation of that.
It really sounds strange.
As I read it you can take a Formation for every HQ.
That would be awesome, units unlocking access to Formations seems like a fun way to handle stuff like this.
The strange part is that a RC has:
-1 Overlord
-1 to 5 Crypteks
-1 to 5 Lords
If I already need a HQ to unlock this Formation, why would I want an additional Overlord?
There is such a thing as too many HQ's
Where does the extra overlord come from? I read it as: Take an overlord, then you can probably add x amount of lords/crypteks to make it count as the formation? Or am i missing something or am i totally wrong?
Well, the wording is weird.
Every time I read it, it sounds different.
Now it sounds like:
a) You have the old Royal Court with a different wording and name.
b) You have a Formation called Royal Court.
I can't wait for the Codex to be released!
Sad Panda wrote: Still. They way it's presented on Faeit is wrong. Reanimation Protocols did change to a "save"-like mechanism before a model is removed, similar (but not identical to) FNP. It's no longer something you roll after a model has been removed as a casualty.
I never buy models with less than a 25% off MSRP. Besides, the Stalker makes this a no buy for me, the two I have only see play in bigger games and a third would never see play.
The help here is that, based on the picture, I finally pulled the trigger on a bunch of Acrylic 32" conversion rings. Good thing I do not need to do this for a horde like Tyra- crap! I just started making a second Tyranid army...
From a cost perspective everything is shaping up well. I can splurge on the Cryptek codex, possibly pick up some Praetorian/Lychguard (if elevated) and the newly formatted Destroyer boxes (if elevated).
From my financial and modeling perspective everything is ideal. The real question now is the playability of the Codex.
I generally have one or two Stalkers stomping about the battlefield. They're quite awesome with the Heat Ray on- has a War of the Worlds feel to it when you fry things with it.
angelofvengeance wrote: I generally have one or two Stalkers stomping about the battlefield. They're quite awesome with the Heat Ray on- has a War of the Worlds feel to it when you fry things with it.
The problem with running one is it immediately gets targeted with everything your opponent can hit them with, limiting the effectiveness. Also, at 150 points I always find better options, such as +1 Barge, +1 Wraith, +1 Scarab/Warrior=Stalker. Don't get me wrong, I really like the things but wish they saw more play than 2000 point games or just taking them out and moving the legs to impress the rabble, LOL. Here is to hoping they get a bit of a point reduction! I think 120 is about right
Or a point increase on the anni barge. Or, just a crazy thought, making the TL tesla destructor skyfire on it.
The anni barge then becomes very good at killing aircraft, but slightly less effective against everything else, thus limiting it's over all effectiveness unless your opponent is fielding many flyers.
Sad Panda Wrote:
Still. They way it's presented on Faeit is wrong. Reanimation Protocols did change to a "save"-like mechanism before a model is removed, similar (but not identical to) FNP. It's no longer something you roll after a model has been removed as a casualty.
I don't see any support for this anywhere in the recent leaks.
Does anyone know where the leak with this in it is?
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Or a point increase on the anni barge. Or, just a crazy thought, making the TL tesla destructor skyfire on it.
The anni barge then becomes very good at killing aircraft, but slightly less effective against everything else, thus limiting it's over all effectiveness unless your opponent is fielding many flyers.
The same thing worked so well for the IG Hydra...
I could accept a price bump, but this is turning the unit into poop
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Or a point increase on the anni barge. Or, just a crazy thought, making the TL tesla destructor skyfire on it.
The anni barge then becomes very good at killing aircraft, but slightly less effective against everything else, thus limiting it's over all effectiveness unless your opponent is fielding many flyers.
The same thing worked so well for the IG Hydra...
I could accept a price bump, but this is turning the unit into poop
The Hydra does not have an ability that greatly increases the effectiveness of snap shots.
Kangodo wrote: Well, the wording is weird.
Every time I read it, it sounds different.
Now it sounds like:
a) You have the old Royal Court with a different wording and name.
b) You have a Formation called Royal Court.
I can't wait for the Codex to be released!
Sad Panda wrote: Still. They way it's presented on Faeit is wrong. Reanimation Protocols did change to a "save"-like mechanism before a model is removed, similar (but not identical to) FNP. It's no longer something you roll after a model has been removed as a casualty.
Source?
I read it as the royal court is a formation only.
The other part of the leak just said crytek and lords would be treated like tech marines are for CSM. For every HQ you purchase you can take one cryptek or lord taking up no FOC slot. At least thats how it read to me.
Either way I'd just wait a week since that rumor was coming from a garbage source.
Vaktathi wrote: The Hydra has practically nothing of value at this point
Shooting Wave Serpents?
I'm glad you wrote shooting at and not hitting
Except that Skyfire works on Skimmers which means hitting is completely possible, it's actually doing anything useful when you hit that's the hard part.
Kangodo wrote: They surely fixed them, perhaps not enough to be tournament stuff.. But anything is better than their current implementation.
Same goes for the Praetorians.
The discount is nice, but I already have 2 Stalkers, 8 Lords, 5 Barges and 40 Immortals.
I do think it's sad we don't see a new model or unit in it.
I think it's pretty sad we don't see a new kit as well. Sort of a missed opportunity on GW's part I think. I understand Blood Angels and Sisters players feel it's par the course, but Necrons are an entire xenos race unto their own, seems like a swing and a miss to release no new units. I suppose it'll save me money though. Good job GW.
Vaktathi wrote: The Hydra has practically nothing of value at this point
Shooting Wave Serpents?
I'm glad you wrote shooting at and not hitting
Except that Skyfire works on Skimmers which means hitting is completely possible, it's actually doing anything useful when you hit that's the hard part.
I was joking about how hard it is to kill a WS that is jinking (which means your missing) in general. I think you missed the joke though
Vaktathi wrote: The Hydra has practically nothing of value at this point
Shooting Wave Serpents?
I'm glad you wrote shooting at and not hitting
Except that Skyfire works on Skimmers which means hitting is completely possible, it's actually doing anything useful when you hit that's the hard part.
I was joking about how hard it is to kill a WS that is jinking (which means your missing) in general. I think you missed the joke though
Considering I've seen people forget that Skyfire works on Skimmers when talking about the Hydra I say it's not my fault.
30(ish) spots for the troops, etc..
a couple of spots for weapons and items
the rest of them for data slates?
Possibly?
Is this the first use of such cards for quick reference? I love the idea of them will certainly help me in game.
Well you'd best be prepared to buy the limited edition one then
There is also the wonders of the internet not that im condoning that sort of thing, but if thats the only way to get them without buying a limited codex....
I dunno, if its just the cryptek left they might as well have released it with the lord... a whole week release slot just for the cryptek seems unlikely? Unless of course we have another kit waiting...
They'd have frontloaded with the good one if they had multiple kits, I'd have figured.
As I've mentioned before though: If they are reboxing warriors with larger bases, they should really redo the sprue to attach the heads by the chin rather than the cheeks. I'm not even talking an actual resculpt here, just to address that the heads are far too difficult to detach neatly.
changemod wrote: They'd have frontloaded with the good one if they had multiple kits, I'd have figured.
As I've mentioned before though: If they are reboxing warriors with larger bases, they should really redo the sprue to attach the heads by the chin rather than the cheeks. I'm not even talking an actual resculpt here, just to address that the heads are far too difficult to detach neatly.
They won't though. More effort to retool the sprue (and quite a bit of money to make a whole new mould just to change the way the head connects. They don't really recut sprues now, so they'd only do it if they resculpted the Warriors) than to put a different bag of bases in the box.
I'm all for new Warriors but I doubt it'll happen.
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
Though... I'd love a new warrior sculpt.
Ahh yes, totally forgot they redid their tools, my bad looks like they would do the job
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
Though... I'd love a new warrior sculpt.
I don't want to cut the legs of all my basic troops to get them to look half decent though.
Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II
Necrons have a whole new way to build an army! The Decurion. It's both opening a lot of options and restrictive at the same time, as weird as it sounds. You can use it instead of normal FoC if you want. also keep in mind that it's the usual me reading the WD super fast when I have the time so there may be mistakes:
You basically can chose a base formation that includes all of your basic units.
It must contain: - 1 Overlord (or Zandrek, Anraky, Trazyn or a Barge), 2 units of Warriors, 1 of Immortal and 1 of Tomb Blades.
You lose Objectives Secured, Overlord and all units from this formation within 12" reroll 1 to Protocols, and two fluffy but not usually useful rules: Move through Cover and Relentless (in case you really want to charge with your Warriors/Immortals after shooting =/, which is funny because even in the WD they realize it's the only use).
You can add 6 units of Warriors, 3 of Immortals, 2 Lychguards, 2 Tomb Blades if I remember correctly and 3 Monoliths.
No reroll on the Warlord table for it, probably because it's not really a normal detachment.
Once done you can add a Royal court formation: 1 Overlord (same as previously except it can be the Stormlord now), up to 3 Cryptek and up to 3 Lords.
Then, you can add up to 10 of the available formations, which are all about a theme, in any number if I've read it right, (which I'll be able to confirm later today) so you can go full Destroyer if you want for example:
- One is 1 Destroyer Lord, 3 units of Destroyer, and can add 1 unit of Heavy Destroyers (Ohhhhhhhhh, they are no longer Destroyer upgrades?).
- One allow you to add a Nightbringer Shard, Deceiver Shard, ACtan or Vault. (Ohhhhhhhh, they refer to the shards by their name!)
- One is 2 Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark
- I think there is one with an Obelisk and 2 Monoliths.
- One is 1 Spyder, 1 unit of Wraiths, 1 of Scarabs
- 1 Stalker and 2 Praetorians
- 1 unit of Deathmarks (yup, just 1 if I remember right)
- 1 unit of Flayed Ones
- One is up to 4 Doom Scythes (remember folks, I go from memory so I may be messing up numbers)
And so on, I have no idea if these formations can be taken outside of the Decurion, as I didn't have enough time to read in detail. Also I'm pretty sure that there are no Night Scythes and Ghost Arks formations, thus they shall still be dedicated transports I suppose.
Also I do not expect anything else for the Necrons as the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death".
EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
The tax on some of those items in that special detachment is brutal. Want a Triarch Stalker? Take 400 points of praetorians. Whilst obviously there will be the standard CaD to take instead this just seems rather unwielding compared to say... the Archangel FoC for BA
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
Though... I'd love a new warrior sculpt.
I don't want to cut the legs of all my basic troops to get them to look half decent though.
That's why I use Immortals as my troops
Same the only reason i have warriors is because i got a battleforce for £40 but i really cba to cut them all up... i could probably rebuilt my army and fully paint it before i finish converting them...
Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II
Necrons have a whole new way to build an army! The Decurion. It's both opening a lot of options and restrictive at the same time, as weird as it sounds. You can use it instead of normal FoC if you want. also keep in mind that it's the usual me reading the WD super fast when I have the time so there may be mistakes:
You basically can chose a base formation that includes all of your basic units.
It must contain: - 1 Overlord (or Zandrek, Anraky, Trazyn or a Barge), 2 units of Warriors, 1 of Immortal and 1 of Tomb Blades.
You lose Objectives Secured, Overlord and all units from this formation within 12" reroll 1 to Protocols, and two fluffy but not usually useful rules: Move through Cover and Relentless (in case you really want to charge with your Warriors/Immortals after shooting =/, which is funny because even in the WD they realize it's the only use).
You can add 6 units of Warriors, 3 of Immortals, 2 Lychguards, 2 Tomb Blades if I remember correctly and 3 Monoliths.
No reroll on the Warlord table for it, probably because it's not really a normal detachment.
Once done you can add a Royal court formation: 1 Overlord (same as previously except it can be the Stormlord now), up to 3 Cryptek and up to 3 Lords.
Then, you can add up to 10 of the available formations, which are all about a theme, in any number if I've read it right, (which I'll be able to confirm later today) so you can go full Destroyer if you want for example:
- One is 1 Destroyer Lord, 3 units of Destroyer, and can add 1 unit of Heavy Destroyers (Ohhhhhhhhh, they are no longer Destroyer upgrades?).
- One allow you to add a Nightbringer Shard, Deceiver Shard, ACtan or Vault. (Ohhhhhhhh, they refer to the shards by their name!)
- One is 2 Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark
- I think there is one with an Obelisk and 2 Monoliths.
- One is 1 Spyder, 1 unit of Wraiths, 1 of Scarabs
- 1 Stalker and 2 Praetorians
- 1 unit of Deathmarks (yup, just 1 if I remember right)
- 1 unit of Flayed Ones
- One is up to 4 Doom Scythes (remember folks, I go from memory so I may be messing up numbers)
And so on, I have no idea if these formations can be taken outside of the Decurion, as I didn't have enough time to read in detail. Also I'm pretty sure that there are no Night Scythes and Ghost Arks formations, thus they shall still be dedicated transports I suppose.
Also I do not expect anything else for the Necrons as the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death".
EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II
Necrons have a whole new way to build an army! The Decurion. It's both opening a lot of options and restrictive at the same time, as weird as it sounds. You can use it instead of normal FoC if you want. also keep in mind that it's the usual me reading the WD super fast when I have the time so there may be mistakes:
You basically can chose a base formation that includes all of your basic units.
It must contain: - 1 Overlord (or Zandrek, Anraky, Trazyn or a Barge), 2 units of Warriors, 1 of Immortal and 1 of Tomb Blades.
You lose Objectives Secured, Overlord and all units from this formation within 12" reroll 1 to Protocols, and two fluffy but not usually useful rules: Move through Cover and Relentless (in case you really want to charge with your Warriors/Immortals after shooting =/, which is funny because even in the WD they realize it's the only use).
You can add 6 units of Warriors, 3 of Immortals, 2 Lychguards, 2 Tomb Blades if I remember correctly and 3 Monoliths.
No reroll on the Warlord table for it, probably because it's not really a normal detachment.
Once done you can add a Royal court formation: 1 Overlord (same as previously except it can be the Stormlord now), up to 3 Cryptek and up to 3 Lords.
Then, you can add up to 10 of the available formations, which are all about a theme, in any number if I've read it right, (which I'll be able to confirm later today) so you can go full Destroyer if you want for example:
- One is 1 Destroyer Lord, 3 units of Destroyer, and can add 1 unit of Heavy Destroyers (Ohhhhhhhhh, they are no longer Destroyer upgrades?).
- One allow you to add a Nightbringer Shard, Deceiver Shard, ACtan or Vault. (Ohhhhhhhh, they refer to the shards by their name!)
- One is 2 Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark
- I think there is one with an Obelisk and 2 Monoliths.
- One is 1 Spyder, 1 unit of Wraiths, 1 of Scarabs
- 1 Stalker and 2 Praetorians
- 1 unit of Deathmarks (yup, just 1 if I remember right)
- 1 unit of Flayed Ones
- One is up to 4 Doom Scythes (remember folks, I go from memory so I may be messing up numbers)
And so on, I have no idea if these formations can be taken outside of the Decurion, as I didn't have enough time to read in detail. Also I'm pretty sure that there are no Night Scythes and Ghost Arks formations, thus they shall still be dedicated transports I suppose.
Also I do not expect anything else for the Necrons as the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death".
EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
That is awesome and accurate.
Seems quite difficult though, I'm already panicking when I have to think about implementing it in BattleScribe.
I don't really see the point in it? It just seems like a weirdly convoluted way to build an army... I mean I see the point in picking it as there are benefits but I don't see why it's included, or what it adds to the game... Am I missing something?
oh man, that is going to be a NIGHTMARE to try to figure out how to work into Battlescribe!
ImAGeek wrote: I don't really see the point in it? It just seems like a weirdly convoluted way to build an army... I mean I see the point in picking it as there are benefits but I don't see why it's included, or what it adds to the game... Am I missing something?
It could be that these Decurion formations will all have their own special rules that will accompany them which will only affect the units contained. If so, that could probably have something to do with those "Dynasty Tactics" rumors we'd been getting from a while back.
Though if Deathmarks have been limited to one unit for their formation, assuming they're good (hence the limitation)... and then taking a look at Flayed Ones and seeing that THEY have also been limited to just one unit for their formation... hmm...
Detachments within detachments, for someone that works with databases all day this is actually quite nice
It looks like C'Tan are going to be quite changed, which I'm extremely excited for.
Also, if Gauss get the rumored changes (To-hits of 6 are double Strength), then Stalkers immediately become more powerful as Gauss don't really have reliable ways to get twin linked.
All in all - more rumors please.
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skoffs wrote: oh man, that is going to be a NIGHTMARE to try to figure out how to work into Battlescribe!
ImAGeek wrote: I don't really see the point in it? It just seems like a weirdly convoluted way to build an army... I mean I see the point in picking it as there are benefits but I don't see why it's included, or what it adds to the game... Am I missing something?
It could be that these Decurion formations will all have their own special rules that will accompany them which will only affect the units contained. If so, that could probably have something to do with those "Dynasty Tactics" rumors we'd been getting from a while back.
Though if Deathmarks have been limited to one unit for their formation, assuming they're good (hence the limitation)... and then taking a look at Flayed Ones and seeing that THEY have also been limited to just one unit for their formation... hmm...
It might also be 1+ per "block", so 1+ Deathmarks or 1+ Flayed ones.
That guy must be reading it wrong. Makes no sense the way he is describing it.
Currently you can take as many detachments as you fething want so why would you need a detachment to take other detachments?
I mean with my DE I can field a CAD, 3 dark artisans, 2 scalpel squadrons ......
Maybe I he is correct, but if he is it's completely different and an unecessary change to the trend. It is confusing and it's actually a huge nerf to Necrons since they will be forced into taking a none obsec tax every time they want to double up on a formation lol.
Red Corsair wrote: That guy must be reading it wrong. Makes no sense the way he is describing it.
Currently you can take as many detachments as you fething want so why would you need a detachment to take other detachments?
I mean with my DE I can field a CAD, 3 dark artisans, 2 scalpel squadrons ......
Maybe I he is correct, but if he is it's completely different and an unecessary change to the trend. It is confusing and it's actually a huge nerf to Necrons since they will be forced into taking a none obsec tax every time they want to double up on a formation lol.
Salt
I would assume that you get X bonus for running this... lets call it super formation, and then an additional Y bonus for units within each subformation.
So every model gets X, and each subformation gets X plus their own Y.
Double the bonuses?
In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.
It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.
From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.
Requizen wrote: Also, if Gauss get the rumored changes (To-hits of 6 are double Strength), then Stalkers immediately become more powerful as Gauss don't really have reliable ways to get twin linked.
I can't see this happening, it's just weird. A modification of Gauss and Tesla perhaps, but this fundamentally changes how Gauss has worked for... 2 or 3 past editions? It'd be as sudden and weird a change as would say, making IG orders work like SM chapter tactics, say. Besides, can you imagine what it would do to flyers? It would turn all Necron armies into a no-fly zone!
Red Corsair wrote: That guy must be reading it wrong. Makes no sense the way he is describing it.
Currently you can take as many detachments as you fething want so why would you need a detachment to take other detachments?
I mean with my DE I can field a CAD, 3 dark artisans, 2 scalpel squadrons ......
Maybe I he is correct, but if he is it's completely different and an unecessary change to the trend. It is confusing and it's actually a huge nerf to Necrons since they will be forced into taking a none obsec tax every time they want to double up on a formation lol.
Salt
I would assume that you get X bonus for running this... lets call it super formation, and then an additional Y bonus for units within each subformation.
So every model gets X, and each subformation gets X plus their own Y.
Double the bonuses?
If so it basically makes it twice as confusing so everyone can get some awesome perk like fear probably
Nah, I am going to advise taking all these none photographically backed rumors with loads of salt. Go and recheck the last 3-4 armies rumor threads and you'll see that until someone has a book in hand with pics the rumors are all over the place wrong. I mean when was the last time some one who "skimmed" anything in a hurry even close to accurate?
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Jefffar wrote: In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.
It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.
From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.
DE have carnival of pain. BIG difference is those formations have a set number of formations you take. That's, you know, the idea of a formation. It's a fixed thing, not a build a bear.
The way this guy is describing it makes zero sense. The first part is clearly a detachment since it lists units you can take in varying numbers. He wouldn't be the first person to not understand the difference between a detachment and a formation.
Jefffar wrote: In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.
It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.
From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.
DE have carnival of pain. BIG difference is those formations have a set number of formations you take. That's, you know, the idea of a formation. It's a fixed thing, not a build a bear.
The way this guy is describing it makes zero sense. The first part is clearly a detachment since it lists units you can take in varying numbers. He wouldn't be the first person to not understand the difference between a detachment and a formation.
If the rumor is accurate, the way I'm imagining it written out is something like:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
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Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
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And I think you just won the pessimism award.
Heck, Codex isn't even out yet and we got some awesome stuff from the Necron supplement section of Exterminatus.
Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
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I like the sound of an optional Formation to run your army out of instead of a CAD as long at the rules are okay and it's got enough flexibility to keep from locking you into a monobuild when run as a primary detachment (or as your only detachment) I could get behind that.
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Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
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The only armies that could be melted down that way are Sisters and the all metal Guard armies. Plastic is a lot more likely to burn than melt at that temperature.
And honestly I doubt everyone's favorite units will suck as some of the ones I like (Tomb Blades and Monoliths for instance) already do.
Yes, we can be fairly certain the nerf hammer is coming, but it'll just put Necrons on a power ranking with the 7th Ed books we've seen so far which is an improvement for the game instead of it being an arms race to see which army gets to be OP next.
Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
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I dunno honestly, pre-orders go up at 7:15pmish these days so it'd make sense if the previous weeks preorders were then released at that time, however my GW closes at 5pm on Friday and new releases are available to pickup or buy on Saturday
Melcavuk wrote: I dunno honestly, pre-orders go up at 7:15pmish these days so it'd make sense if the previous weeks preorders were then released at that time, however my GW closes at 5pm on Friday and new releases are available to pickup or buy on Saturday
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Preorders are late Friday so release is late the following Friday, which is effectively Saturday because most places are closed then.
I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.
changemod wrote: I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.
If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.
changemod wrote: I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.
If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.
But am I wasting my time going to the store on Friday because they'll have it but it's not release time yet?
(I know their shipment is Thursdays, they have all the new stock piled up in a corner on thursday mornings as they work on shifting it.)
changemod wrote: I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.
If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.
But am I wasting my time going to the store on Friday because they'll have it but it's not release time yet?
(I know their shipment is Thursdays, they have all the new stock piled up in a corner on thursday mornings as they work on shifting it.)
But I thought you already said you can pick it up at your GW on the Friday? And if you don't want to risk it, go Saturday? Still earlier than Monday
changemod wrote: I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.
If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.
But am I wasting my time going to the store on Friday because they'll have it but it's not release time yet?
(I know their shipment is Thursdays, they have all the new stock piled up in a corner on thursday mornings as they work on shifting it.)
But I thought you already said you can pick it up at your GW on the Friday? And if you don't want to risk it, go Saturday? Still earlier than Monday
I can pick up regular orders on fridays at any rate.
But yeah, better plan: I've dug up their phone number and can just ask first thing in the morning if they have it in.
Good idea what you could do, is preorder from an online retailer, I dunno if maybe they ship for the release date as opposed to on the release date, and you save some money...
ImAGeek wrote: Good idea what you could do, is preorder from an online retailer, I dunno if maybe they ship for the release date as opposed to on the release date, and you save some money...
When the BA codex came out, I think I remember some people getting their shipped a couple days early too.
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Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
From a rules perspective the rule is; use whichever bases came supplied, or the base size of a similar unit, so I don't see why they wouldnt be tournament legal.
I'm pretty sure that's the rule. Someone else will have to corroborate, but it means if you have the old termies on 25mm, you can leave them on that because that's what they came with, or rebase to 40mm to match newer termites, for example.
Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
Because we have information now and we like to speculate.
How can there be nothing awesome? Exterminatus kinda assured me of awesome stuff.
My favourite units are Tomb Blades, Lychguard/Praetorians, Special Characters and Flayed Ones. Please tell me how they could suck compared to what we have now?
Aah yes, because Blood Angels are in such a crappy state compared to what they used to be.
Please tell that to my Codex where nearly every unit is good. Especially compared to the old one, where nearly every unit was bad.
A few more info after a better reading. And keep in mind I translate things so in the English version of the WD things may sound different, so please don't go berserk if after I say "Dance of Death" it's in reality Death Dance, Deadly Dance, Mortal Tango or Fatal Dubsteb in your WD.
Regarding the Decurion, I find the way it works for some of these formations not that clear. Formations are presented in boxes linked by lines. You can take 1 to 10 of the optional formations, and since there are only 9 total it's obvious you can take some more than one. But the way it's presented I'm actually wondering if you can take anything you want multiple time, or only the first three ones (which are the Destroyers, Praetorian and the Canoptek one). In a way it makes sense to not spam things like Trans Ctans or Obelisk, but in another it makes no sense to be limited to a single Deathmark unit yet spam things like Praetorians... WD, why you no clear?
Also WD refers to the Decurion itself as giving bonuses to the units composing it in addition to what the Formations do, but I never managed to find these bonuses listed anywhere.
Some precisions:
- I previously said the Canoptek formation includes 1 Spyder, but later in a pic it shows said formation with 1 UNIT of Spyders. So I don't know which page is right.
- I said the Praetorian formation included a Stalker, but actually after rereading it it's an UNIT of Stalkers.
- Heavy Destroyers are indeed their one unit now.
- Deathmarks and Flayed are indeed only 1 unit.
- Dommscythes are 2 to 4.
- Royal court MUST include at least one Lord and one Cryptek.
- Obyron can replace a Lord.
- Illuminator and Orikan can replace a Cryptek.
Regarding the CTans, WD seems to really make a difference between Shards of the Deceiver, Nightbringer, Trans CTan and the Vault. This is how their power work:
- During the shooting phase, chose an enemy unit.
- Roll a D6 or pick a card to determine the attack it suffers.
- The randomness represents the CTan basically doing whatever he wants when released on a battlefield.
- Each attack comes in 2 Flavors.
- The first one, supposedly already devastating, is used by the two shards and the Trans CTan.
- The second one, that appears to be the powerful Apocalypse effect, is for the Vault.
Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
Because we have information now and we like to speculate.
How can there be nothing awesome? Exterminatus kinda assured me of awesome stuff.
My favourite units are Tomb Blades, Lychguard/Praetorians, Special Characters and Flayed Ones. Please tell me how they could suck compared to what we have now?
Aah yes, because Blood Angels are in such a crappy state compared to what they used to be.
Please tell that to my Codex where nearly every unit is good. Especially compared to the old one, where nearly every unit was bad.
I agree, i'd rather have a codex where everything is viable and the must takes are toned down than just spam the same stuff every game... it does get boring after awhile...
If that is how C'tan powers are going to work now, I'm guessing those power cards are what will be replacing the Psychic Power cards in the Necron Datacards set
Sounding increasingly like rumour mongering or a woefully incomplete explanation.
Also the only reason I can think of that the Tran C'tan would be using the small table and the Vault a larger exclusive table is because nobody is buying Vaults since they can just field a C'tan.
Blood angels got a new sanguinary priest, a new box set, a new librarian and A special HQ when they dropped death storm. (Blood Angel Formations were in Shield of Baal:exterminatius and Deathstorm).
It's more likely that they're going to be doing more campaign sets now, as they probably make more money that way.
If you pre-order and ship it to a GW store on the weekend it drops for pre-order, (whether in the store, so the store gets credit) or from the website (so you screw the local store) it will show up sooner and you can pick it up on release day with everybody else. (chances are that it might even show up as early as that weds the week of release, but the store can't give it to you until release day, sat).
Non GW stores have their own schedule, and you know your FLGS schedule better than anybody else anyway.
EDIT:
Also, if you're trying to pick up a new release at a GW store, they can't put it out until new release day...which is Sat.
casvalremdeikun wrote: The thing that especially sucks is those C'Tan cards are going to be limited so it will be next to impossible to play with one. Great work, GW.
Print them?
Will be interesting to see if the powers are any good, I don't mind random if it means the unit I point at get's obliterated either way
casvalremdeikun wrote: The thing that especially sucks is those C'Tan cards are going to be limited so it will be next to impossible to play with one. Great work, GW.
Uh why, they have this thing called a D6 and paper that you can write things on?
Regarding the CTans, WD seems to really make a difference between Shards of the Deceiver, Nightbringer, Trans CTan and the Vault. This is how their power work:
- During the shooting phase, chose an enemy unit.
- Roll a D6 or pick a card to determine the attack it suffers.
- The randomness represents the CTan basically doing whatever he wants when released on a battlefield.
- Each attack comes in 2 Flavors.
- The first one, supposedly already devastating, is used by the two shards and the Trans CTan.
- The second one, that appears to be the powerful Apocalypse effect, is for the Vault.
I really hope this lost something in translation.
So I can just choose an enemy. With no range restrictions or else all range attacks are the same range (?24"?).
No Melee focused powers?
No movement powers like subliminal slide?
So WD "seems to really make a difference between shards of deciver, nightbringer, and trans....." except that all of their powers are the same.
That isn't really obvious how all of that goes together.
Unless, each model has some lower tier powers unique to each and the the upper end powers that are random.
I suppose this is a nerf to TCtan as you can't make a plan and work that.
You are jerked around by the dice all game.
Unless, this is more like the D strike table where we are rolling for the intensity of the attack but that's not what it sounds like.
The way its written is that the effects are random. Roll a 1 and the target gets a buff, roll 2 two and he is pinned, roll a 3 and he loses a power, etc.
As I said, I hope something has been lost in translation.
This sounds to me like GW finding a way to make the T. C'tan less OP, more palatable for the tournaments scene, but yet not change the escalation Dataslate, just as the Stompa remained unchanged in the Ork codex. An interesting approach for sure.
NecronLord3 wrote: This sounds to me like GW finding a way to make the T. C'tan less OP, more palatable for the tournaments scene, but yet not change the escalation Dataslate, just as the Stompa remained unchanged in the Ork codex. An interesting approach for sure.
Pretty Hard to argue it didn't need a re-work for regular 40k.
That being Said Random doesn't have to mean bad , that is if all the random attacks are powerful.
Jefffar wrote: In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.
It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.
From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.
DE have carnival of pain. BIG difference is those formations have a set number of formations you take. That's, you know, the idea of a formation. It's a fixed thing, not a build a bear.
The way this guy is describing it makes zero sense. The first part is clearly a detachment since it lists units you can take in varying numbers. He wouldn't be the first person to not understand the difference between a detachment and a formation.
If the rumor is accurate, the way I'm imagining it written out is something like:
Up to 10 of the following:
0+ Destroyer Formation
0+ C'Tan formation
0+ "Tank" Formation
0+ "Superheavy" Formation
0+ Canoptek Formation
0+ Triarch Formation
0+ Deathmark Formation
0+ Flayed One Formation
0+ Doom Scythe Formation
Which isn't that hard to understand.
Do you not understand how formations work in 40k? Honest question.
I can take ANY number of those formations in addition to eachother already. So yers this is unecessarily convoluted and silly and I am calling for salt here.
EDIT. And the next rumor from warseer he goes on to list how it's unclear and confusing! Surprise surprise!
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NecronLord3 wrote: This sounds to me like GW finding a way to make the T. C'tan less OP, more palatable for the tournaments scene, but yet not change the escalation Dataslate, just as the Stompa remained unchanged in the Ork codex. An interesting approach for sure.
GW doesn't care about tournaments, my guess is they do care that so few people bother with the vault. I'm expecting to TC'tan to be toned down a bit while to vault gets tuned up. Maybe the vault isn't random since they have him caged under their control, while fielding him loose creates the random effect to represent his capricious nature.
NecronLord3 wrote: As a corporation they don't care. The people writing the books and selling the models are acutely aware of how the units work in tournaments.
AHAHAHA thats gold... Wait... were you being serious?
Is it just me or is it getting old when rumor posters give the excuse - "Well I read it fast so I might not have gotten it right" - how about if you weren't full of crap you post when you have the time to have the book in front of you.
or "My friends a joker so he may not be telling me everything correct" or "he just saw it on the table and he was at HQ" .. It smells like bull___. An excuse to be wrong when the rules come out and prove them wrong..lol maybe I am just being cynical.
NecronLord3 wrote: As a corporation they don't care. The people writing the books and selling the models are acutely aware of how the units work in tournaments.
AHAHAHA thats gold... Wait... were you being serious?
Oh so *you* think someone writing about fungus-based organisms launching invasions while fighting with each other, or about metallic skeleton with reminiscence of ancient Egypt, or about Ridley Scott's Alien like creatures, ... do not care about how the game is played, including tournaments?
Turalon wrote: Lord looks cool, but why does GW insist on using that terrible orange/green colour scheme like they did in the new guard book.
it looks terrible in my opinion.
If it's the same green that was on the Crons in the Exterminatus book I rather liked it. The orange I could go either way on, but I thought the green was a nice match for the silver.
And I'm just happy they didn't do like Hollywood and just do orange and blue.
ClockworkZion wrote: If it's the same green that was on the Crons in the Exterminatus book I rather liked it. The orange I could go either way on, but I thought the green was a nice match for the silver.
And I'm just happy they didn't do like Hollywood and just do orange and blue.
EDIT: Better example link.
lol something I never realised but will now constantly find!
nflagey wrote: Oh so *you* think someone writing about fungus-based organisms launching invasions while fighting with each other, or about metallic skeleton with reminiscence of ancient Egypt, or about Ridley Scott's Alien like creatures, ... do not care about how the game is played, including tournaments?
I dislike the green and beige look, because it is too reminiscent of contemporary military gear. Of everything we have seen regarding the Necrons of seventh the look of the Khaki Dynasty is the one that falls the most into the "bland and everything is the same" category. All that is missing is this:
C'tan Equipment Choices
Primus
1-5 Cargo Shorts 6-Camouflage Jacket
ClockworkZion wrote: If it's the same green that was on the Crons in the Exterminatus book I rather liked it. The orange I could go either way on, but I thought the green was a nice match for the silver.
And I'm just happy they didn't do like Hollywood and just do orange and blue.
EDIT: Better example link.
lol something I never realised but will now constantly find!
nflagey wrote: Oh so *you* think someone writing about fungus-based organisms launching invasions while fighting with each other, or about metallic skeleton with reminiscence of ancient Egypt, or about Ridley Scott's Alien like creatures, ... do not care about how the game is played, including tournaments?
Do you know what a non-sequitur is?
yes Sir
maybe I was not clear, so to put it simply, I guess that if your job is to write (or participate in the writing of) 40k or WFB codex/supplements, you need to be (1) interested in the sci-fi/fantasy aspect and (2) interested in the gaming aspect
don't you think?
. Or, most precisely, 7/12.
. The limited ones before Christmas, the new batch of $500 booster shots any day.
) and ambiguity.
Ah well, I suppose it's better this than going to bar tabs and vidya games 
It could be the only new kit we get, i wouldn't care 
