It just kind of dawned on me, I bet you could make some pretty cool looking Naval Armsmen using the Neophytes by removing the GS cult icons, using the shotguns, and giving them some Skitarii Vanguard heads. I think it would give a almost kind of 1800s nautical look kind of like the old BFG armsmen sketches.
Flipping heck, all this stuff looks fully amazing. Seriously torn at the moment between sticking to my original hobby plan for the rest of the year and running out as soon as the shops open to buy DWOK then pre-ordering the codex.
On a semi-tangential note, am I the only person in the world who is totally fine with the plastic Cadians? Sure, the heads could use a bit more variety but other than that I've no issue with them. The plastic Catachans on the other hand need firing into the ocean.
Looks like not assembling my second DW:OK box will pay off as I can convert them to have all manner of toys from the Acolytes kits and avoid duplicates. Whoop!
Sabotage! wrote: It just kind of dawned on me, I bet you could make some pretty cool looking Naval Armsmen using the Neophytes by removing the GS cult icons, using the shotguns, and giving them some Skitarii Vanguard heads. I think it would give a almost kind of 1800s nautical look kind of like the old BFG armsmen sketches.
You mean like this?
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vim_the_good wrote: Eh. I can't see the pre order category either on the UK or the FR sites?
The UK store will have them up in a few minutes as releases do not go up until 10
Sabotage! wrote: It just kind of dawned on me, I bet you could make some pretty cool looking Naval Armsmen using the Neophytes by removing the GS cult icons, using the shotguns, and giving them some Skitarii Vanguard heads. I think it would give a almost kind of 1800s nautical look kind of like the old BFG armsmen sketches.
Yeah, I had the same thoughts. That's why I didn't include them in my kits wishlist. With an Arbites/riot squad kit it/d be even better, though. And some greatcoat guards outside FW, pretty please GW.
GW really is firing on *most* cylinders right now. With the boxed games and AdMech and now GSC they're tugging at nostalgia's heart string AND with plastic 30k (especially with including Custodians and SoS) they're (re)hooking yet another set of players AND using their design and tooling might to deliver a breadth of kits the competition can't keep up with from a production standpoint alone. If they clear up their rule (and fluff) messes and FW really gets to do additional plastics for stuff besides BB, like plastic Eshers or Delaque or Cawdor, Muties, Redemptionists, damn. More bundles with savings would help as well, a big army deal on release with some discount and a heavy discount SC box later would be nice.
When AdMech was released I was one of the doubters that GW was really mining their background for things people actuay want, but WEBBERS! Shock Mauls! In the hands of GSCs no less! Is this because people like Jes Goodwin and Blanche are allowed to bring back stuff or is this pushed by new studio members that were raised on this stuff and want it back? Oh to be a fly at GW.
/Excited rant after getting up to even more awesome minis.
Ok, I'm not really into GSC, but this is an awesome release, cool models matching cool old fluff but with a slightly modernised twist, it makes me really hopeful for the path GW are now on.
But the really important thing is that this is the first codex in a very, very long time to officially sanction kit-bashing and mods. There is no Official (TM) Brood Brothers (C) kit, just converted Cadians using bits from the other kits, yet there they are as a codex option.
Saw these on Facebook. Initially I didn't like the idea of Brood Brothers because I don't like the Cadian models but actually I'd do it the expensive way and use the command squad - they look great!
Was looking at the Neophyte Hybrids and thinking they would make awesome Solar Axuilia for a cheaper FW price. Then added in the weapons needed and it looks like I would save £5 a squad. Never mind, however as an army on their own, they look boss!
Hopefully we get a Cadian shock troop or command box with the cult upgrade sprue like the recent Deathwatch Terminators/Vanguard and BA releases. I was going to buy some Cadians today but will hang fire to see if it is also like the recent releases and the price with the upgrade sprue is the same as the basic kit price.
Jadenim wrote: Ok, I'm not really into GSC, but this is an awesome release, cool models matching cool old fluff but with a slightly modernised twist, it makes me really hopeful for the path GW are now on.
But the really important thing is that this is the first codex in a very, very long time to officially sanction kit-bashing and mods. There is no Official (TM) Brood Brothers (C) kit, just converted Cadians using bits from the other kits, yet there they are as a codex option.
To be fair, Brood Brothers have almost always been 'Use Imperial Guardsmen painted appropriately.'
2nd ed. was glorious because not only did we have a huge array of different types of Guardsmen to use (Cadians, Catachans, Tallarns, Mordians, Valhallans) but we also had Necromunda to dip into (Delaque, Orlocks, Van Saar, Escher and Cawdor all leant themselves REALLY well to the Cult aesthetic and ragtag appearance).
Still, Cult Upgrade Sprue? DELICIOUS.
Still very much hoping for a stronger ally matrix (AoC Chaos would be a dream and a nice nod to their RT and 2nd ed ally matrixes).
My own cult is tiny (I literally only bought the Acolytes, Neophtes, Magus and Primus from Overkill and plan on using some Space Hulk stealers and the Broodlord as well - all in all, not even 500 points of GSC).
Anyone been having a look at the codex downloads? Looking at the enhanced edition in UK, it seems that it hasn't been released early, but seems to be going for £5 less than the price listed on GW's website. If I preorder this will I get the enhanced edition or the normal one?
Benlisted wrote: Anyone been having a look at the codex downloads? Looking at the enhanced edition in UK, it seems that it hasn't been released early, but seems to be going for £5 less than the price listed on GW's website. If I preorder this will I get the enhanced edition or the normal one?
The website clearly shows "Codex: Genestealer Cults (eBook)" as £25 and "Codex: Genestealer Cults (Enhanced)" as £30. Neither are available as pre-orders (the button says "Find Out More") The Enhanced (i.e. iBooks for iPad) editions don't show up in the iTunes store until the day of release.
@DarkStarSabre - I know that, you know that, but recently, if it didn't have an official, pre-packaged kit, GW wouldn't even acknowledge the idea. They even went as far as removing Grand Master Mordak and ghost knights from the GK codex, despite the fact that those could be normal GK terminators with a different paint scheme, but no, they didn't have an official kit so away they went.
Benlisted wrote: Anyone been having a look at the codex downloads? Looking at the enhanced edition in UK, it seems that it hasn't been released early, but seems to be going for £5 less than the price listed on GW's website. If I preorder this will I get the enhanced edition or the normal one?
The website clearly shows "Codex: Genestealer Cults (eBook)" as £25 and "Codex: Genestealer Cults (Enhanced)" as £30. Neither are available as pre-orders (the button says "Find Out More") The Enhanced (i.e. iBooks for iPad) editions don't show up in the iTunes store until the day of release.
Yup, noticed that, but if you search for "genestealer cults" in the iBooks store, you can find a version of the codex for £25. Which confused me, as I thought only the enhanced edition was sold through iBooks, looks like it might just be a normal dex though. Worth a look just for the sample, there's some very nice high-res pics of a big AM vs GC battle.
Judging from the codex previews (which are admittedly blurry) it looks like the minimum unit size for Acolytes is 10 models at 8pts each. That means you'll need two £25 boxes to field a basic unit
Nope; from the top left:
2 stub guns, a plasma pistol, a handbow, two hand flamers and a sawn-off shotgun. Then three autopistols and three bolt pistols.
The only web pistol before these Hybrids I'm aware of was this one:
xttz wrote: Judging from the codex previews (which are admittedly blurry) it looks like the minimum unit size for Acolytes is 10 models at 8pts each. That means you'll need two £25 boxes to field a basic unit
So this release has gotten me to stop lurking here and so exicted for it, notice some cool this is towards the bottom of the description of the codex on gw site
- the Cult Ambush rule: dependent on a dice roll, Genestealer Cults units can set up anywhere on the table, deploy and charge in the same turn, and burst from their hidden lairs to surprise and engulf the enemies of the Cult;
So we might be getting assault from reserves back for genestealers and other units! This is definitely towards the style of the army and will be so cool!
Jadenim wrote: @DarkStarSabre - I know that, you know that, but recently, if it didn't have an official, pre-packaged kit, GW wouldn't even acknowledge the idea. They even went as far as removing Grand Master Mordak and ghost knights from the GK codex, despite the fact that those could be normal GK terminators with a different paint scheme, but no, they didn't have an official kit so away they went.
Aye, hence I expect IG to lose Veterans and Conscripts when the next codex hits.
The only thing this is missing is an Ogryn-sized release, IMO. Giant abominations or whatever could've been sooo good grotesques, big mutants, weapon servitors, better spawns etc.Thinking about it, GW isn't doing a lot of those ogre/troll/grotesques types in plastic or am I wrong? Kurnoth Hunters recently, but before that? Tons of monstrous cav and Termi-sized stuff and large kits, yeah, but infantry monsters?
Geez if that is true GSC is going to be super powerful. Probably way more powerful than the DW release. Good for Nids and Xenos players get some diversity out there in the meta before it gets nuuked in 8th.
oldone wrote: So this release has gotten me to stop lurking here and so exicted for it, notice some cool this is towards the bottom of the description of the codex on gw site
- the Cult Ambush rule: dependent on a dice roll, Genestealer Cults units can set up anywhere on the table, deploy and charge in the same turn, and burst from their hidden lairs to surprise and engulf the enemies of the Cult;
So we might be getting assault from reserves back for genestealers and other units! This is definitely towards the style of the army and will be so cool!
Or you roll a one on your random table and the enemy gets to ambush you! :p (or anything lower than a 5/6 , I imagine.)
Jadenim wrote: @DarkStarSabre - I know that, you know that, but recently, if it didn't have an official, pre-packaged kit, GW wouldn't even acknowledge the idea. They even went as far as removing Grand Master Mordak and ghost knights from the GK codex, despite the fact that those could be normal GK terminators with a different paint scheme, but no, they didn't have an official kit so away they went.
Aye, hence I expect IG to lose Veterans and Conscripts when the next codex hits.
There are veterans in the command sqd box.
Lets see what happen to Cadia in the near future campaings, If fenris is under attack, its not to far to Cadia.
Perhaps AM need a compleat newly styled set of poster boy uniforms next year.
On topic: I really hope they do a white dwarf page with Goliath truck rules for AM. They look really nice.
Well colour me impressed, GW - the Neophyte box is exactly what Chaos Cultists should have been. Might even have to get some of those Shotguns for my IG
Kanluwen wrote: Your whole argument was predicated upon the idea that "Guard don't have bikers, so why would GSC get bikers?".
Bikers could have fit in here, since as mentioned, civilians should be able to get those and they could have meshed with the concept of civvies rising up.
I'm saying that neither will get bikes, unless GW updates the concept of Rough Riders.
xttz wrote: Judging from the codex previews (which are admittedly blurry) it looks like the minimum unit size for Acolytes is 10 models at 8pts each. That means you'll need two £25 boxes to field a basic unit
Source on this? Also seems weird they'd be 8pts per, as the favoured disciples worked out as 7.something per model.
Kanluwen wrote: Your whole argument was predicated upon the idea that "Guard don't have bikers, so why would GSC get bikers?".
Bikers could have fit in here, since as mentioned, civilians should be able to get those and they could have meshed with the concept of civvies rising up.
I'm saying that neither will get bikes, unless GW updates the concept of Rough Riders.
You can always just use cult bikers as another type of Rough Rider. I don't think anyone would complain in a game.
This release is looking better and better all the time though - the goliath looks great, and the upgrade sprue is going to make creating brood brothers and their vehicles a lot of fun. Nice work GW!
Well it seems that whatever hole in their code that allowed preorders to be downloaded early at Black Library has been patched. I guess i'll have to wait for leaks like every other green-blooded cultist here. It's a shame i'm not better at hacking.
The only possible issue I'm seeing is that if Deathwatch:Overkill is anything to go by, those Hybrids are 7 points each. That means we'll be needed a fair few of them, and yet they are sold in packs of 5 and at £5 per miniture forming the kind of horde you'd want to see will be exorbitantly expensive.
If I remember right a Hybrid was basically an Ork with Str 4 T3 instead of S3 T4, I4, Fearless and AP 5 rending for around the same price point. People are going to want hordes of 30 lead by a Zealor granting Primus, but that unit will cost £150! Lovely models, but I hope they've suped up the Hyrbid rules to mean we don't have to get so many.
Poorly shot, out of focus preview pics. How I've missed thee!
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TimHuckelbery wrote: This release is looking better and better all the time though - the goliath looks great, and the upgrade sprue is going to make creating brood brothers and their vehicles a lot of fun. Nice work GW!
Are you happy with the modern-day Limo, even though it's not a Cult Limo?
Damn you GW! Never a big cult fan- more of a Nid purist and managed to resist Overkill but these look so good. Even just as a painting/modelling project I think I may pick them up and possibly investigate Killteam rules.. GW you clever, clever bastards..Definitely getting the next WD too for the articles and especially the interview with Jes- I'd bet he has a sizeable input in this..
Looks like a brilliant releases model wise. More releases like this please [although I may become homeless trying to buy it all!]
ALEXisAWESOME wrote: The only possible issue I'm seeing is that if Deathwatch:Overkill is anything to go by, those Hybrids are 7 points each. That means we'll be needed a fair few of them, and yet they are sold in packs of 5 and at £5 per miniture forming the kind of horde you'd want to see will be exorbitantly expensive.
If I remember right a Hybrid was basically an Ork with Str 4 T3 instead of S3 T4, I4, Fearless and AP 5 rending for around the same price point. People are going to want hordes of 30 lead by a Zealor granting Primus, but that unit will cost £150! Lovely models, but I hope they've suped up the Hyrbid rules to mean we don't have to get so many.
If you want to go the cheap route buy a guardsman box or two and just use the extra hands/heads.
Jadenim wrote: @DarkStarSabre - I know that, you know that, but recently, if it didn't have an official, pre-packaged kit, GW wouldn't even acknowledge the idea. They even went as far as removing Grand Master Mordak and ghost knights from the GK codex, despite the fact that those could be normal GK terminators with a different paint scheme, but no, they didn't have an official kit so away they went.
Aye, hence I expect IG to lose Veterans and Conscripts when the next codex hits.
There are veterans in the command sqd box.
Lets see what happen to Cadia in the near future campaings, If fenris is under attack, its not to far to Cadia.
Perhaps AM need a compleat newly styled set of poster boy uniforms next year.
On topic: I really hope they do a white dwarf page with Goliath truck rules for AM. They look really nice.
If box=unit that we would loose is the infantry platoon, because we buy troops in squads not platoons.
Unfortunately I don't think we will see an AM rule set for the Goliath as it is very clearly a civilian vehicle. But I would be surprised if FW didn't do something with that kit because it would make the base of an awsome combat engineer vehicle. Do you hear that FW! You took away the Atlas! Give us a combat engineer Goliath!
Well, I don't plan to start a GSC army at all. But I wanted a codex for the fluff. And now I will be getting 2 of those Goliaths to make into Ork Battlewagons. They are so perfect for the role to add variety.
Jadenim wrote: @DarkStarSabre - I know that, you know that, but recently, if it didn't have an official, pre-packaged kit, GW wouldn't even acknowledge the idea. They even went as far as removing Grand Master Mordak and ghost knights from the GK codex, despite the fact that those could be normal GK terminators with a different paint scheme, but no, they didn't have an official kit so away they went.
Aye, hence I expect IG to lose Veterans and Conscripts when the next codex hits.
That was the height of the Chapterhouse mess, so everything that didn't have a model went away. Plus now they are making plastic special characters, as standalone kits even, so some of those lost characters may make a return.
Oh man. I still have my hopes up that there will be a genestealer only formation (Ie, like 3 units of genestealers and a patriarch) that allows them to assault from reserves. Tyranid players would happly throw that formation into their own army lists to make genestealers playable again!
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this before in this thread, but has anyone mentioned the standard bearer in the middle of this throng? (Sorry, can't figure out how to embed the image, it's from Auro's post on page 30).
The banner looks bigger than either of the ones from the two infantry boxes, so looks like it's either going to be part of the upgrade sprue (unlikely), or the clampack character will be some kind of banner bearer. Thoughts?
TimHuckelbery wrote: This release is looking better and better all the time though - the goliath looks great, and the upgrade sprue is going to make creating brood brothers and their vehicles a lot of fun. Nice work GW!
Are you happy with the modern-day Limo, even though it's not a Cult Limo?
Yep! Limo is all a state of mind really - the goliath is civilian enough looking that almost anything folks have modded up over the years should work.
Tyranid607 wrote: Just have a chance to look into the codex, other than the 3 units in pre-order, there is a new tank(yes the mining tank) releasing next week . You get a few IG tanks and walker in the codex. And all other unit is all in the overwatch boxset( lack of upgrade parts)
The purestrain genestealer is better than what you get in nids dex.
And it will be kind expensive to build up a 1500pts army as most of them are only 6-13pts(can't remember), only the aberrants cost 30pts each
Only a quick look, or a full read through? You're about to be really popular
How much better are we talking for the Purestrain? What specific Astra Militarum units are they getting?
Also, any indication of the rules for the mining tank?
tetrisphreak wrote: So it's Ap3 vs most tau, guard, orks, yet ap4 vs marines. weird.
And Eldar it's much easier for a marine to break out of the webbing than the others.
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Fluff advancement? Woohoo more garbage I'll have to ignore in order to pretend 40K is still the setting I actually like!
Time of Ending is everything since 744.M41 per the 5th Edition BRB. So not new.
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tetrisphreak wrote: So it's Ap3 vs most tau, guard, orks, yet ap4 vs marines. weird.
And Eldar it's much easier for a marine to break out of the webbing than the others.
Poor, poor grots.
The stronger you are, the faster you can break out before it can penetrate your armor. Makes sense. I probably would have gone with a wound vs Strength value instead of toughness personally though, but for most models that is the same, so I guess this way is more unique.
You know what I like about this release - what is NOT in it. No fifty foot tall genestealer mutant. No giant robot. No psyker on a column of fire. No flyer. It's gritty - the "mining" theme is awesome. Really old school.
The genestealer a from overkill have hit and run plus stealth for 1pt extra but I don't know whether all purestrains will get that or just these two since they're named.
kestral wrote: You know what I like about this release - what is NOT in it. No fifty foot tall genestealer mutant. No giant robot. No psyker on a column of fire. No flyer. It's gritty - the "mining" theme is awesome. Really old school.
Would be cool if they had like a power loader exo-suit fitted with power claws or something, though. Or some big industrial land crawler type thing.
Wishlisting aside: Overall, very chuffed with this release so far. Stunning minis. Now all they need to do is have a Genestealer purestrain kit ala DW: Overkill. A bit more up to date I think.
nagash42 wrote: How are genestealers better in the cult book? Other then being able to ambush and ride in trucks?
Can't ride in tank, only hybrid can
Is able to ambush, it can place to ongoing reserve anytime at movement phase
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is the intention that you're supposed to make the guardsmen more cult-like with bits from the neophytes kit, or that the IG allies are simply hypnotized humans?
I Posted this on Page 3, but....
THANKS GW!
Now i can REALLY start a Mining Colony IG army, WITHOUT too much effort to remove the 'Genestealer' looking parts!
So Guys - what version do you like more - the normal Goliath Truck, or the Goliath Rockgrinder? Or will you stay with good old Astra Militarum tanks?^^
nagash42 wrote: How are genestealers better in the cult book? Other then being able to ambush and ride in trucks?
Can't ride in tank, only hybrid can
Is able to ambush, it can place to ongoing reserve anytime at movement phase
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is the intention that you're supposed to make the guardsmen more cult-like with bits from the neophytes kit, or that the IG allies are simply hypnotized humans?
IG allies is just IG allies
It only said Tyranids and IG is ally of convenience , nothing else
Well GW it looks like I'm back in. The addition of the IG makes this so much easier for me as I bought the 4th ed IG army release with the 20 man Cadian boxes and extra goodies and never got around to building them.
It's a truck, not a tank. Though I am not familiar with vehicle rules being a Nid player, are they different? You saying a truck and tank at the same Angleofvengence?
Davor wrote: It's a truck, not a tank. Though I am not familiar with vehicle rules being a Nid player, are they different? You saying a truck and tank at the same Angleofvengence?
Being a tyranid player is no excuse for not knowing vehicle rules in the game. Surely you face vehicles on a regular basis.
is the intention that you're supposed to make the guardsmen more cult-like with bits from the neophytes kit, or that the IG allies are simply hypnotized humans?
Yes to both.
You sure about that? There's stealers riding in the Goliath truck...
You might want to take a closer look at the picture. There are only hybrids in the vehicle. Genestealers (including the Broodlord/Patriarch) will never ride in vehicles.
It's a truck, not a tank. Though I am not familiar with vehicle rules being a Nid player, are they different? You saying a truck and tank at the same Angleofvengence?
The Goliath Truck will be an open-topped vehicle; obviously used to transport hybrids into close assault.
The Goliath Rockgrinder will also be open-topped but I doubt that it will have any transport capacity. If it does, it will likely be a diminished amount.
Man, what a great release, that new goliath is truly an awesome design! Love the intricacy and multi-level detail, really impressed, give more vehicles to whoever did the CADs for those!
I have to say though, maybe my ego talking, but I feel as if somebody at GW may have had a VERY close look at my custom cult... The scheme on the goliath is a tad familiar, who would have thought GSC Limo would be a re-purposed APC looking vehicle with a blue frost white paint scheme and a big dozer blade up front with center pointed chevrons? Anyways, once again very happy every inch of my custom GSC cult from 5 years ago will fit with these, right down the weapons lol!
Good for GW! After this, Sisters and Squats will be pretty much the only thing left they could possibly do before creating an entire new army! The only thing they would have been clever to do do would have been to introduce alternate body deco's to the neophyte and acolytes, civilian bodies for 4th gens, perhaps a different armor style for 1st-3rd to show the 'all walks of life' nature of the force-
Davor wrote: It's a truck, not a tank. Though I am not familiar with vehicle rules being a Nid player, are they different? You saying a truck and tank at the same Angleofvengence?
Being a tyranid player is no excuse for not knowing vehicle rules in the game. Surely you face vehicles on a regular basis.
"truck' Isn't a vehicle type in 40k.
Well that was rude. The internet never seizes to amaze me. I am a geek/dork. I am not smart enough to be a nerd. You are a geek/dork/nerd. I don't know about you, but we use to get picked on in our day over stuff like this. Just amazed to be called out on not being smart enough to play with plastic toy soldiers.
I hope you are happy of embarrassing an almost 50 year old man who doesn't play very often, has a problem of remembering how things go and who is going through depression but tries to get into this and be part of a community.
I guess I will need to apologize to all of the internet of not being smart enough on how to play with plastic toy soldiers, and I will need to be flogged tarred and walk into the streets naked for not knowing how 40K rules work.
is the intention that you're supposed to make the guardsmen more cult-like with bits from the neophytes kit, or that the IG allies are simply hypnotized humans?
Yes to both.
You sure about that? There's stealers riding in the Goliath truck...
You might want to take a closer look at the picture. There are only hybrids in the vehicle. Genestealers (including the Broodlord/Patriarch) will never ride in vehicles.
It's a truck, not a tank. Though I am not familiar with vehicle rules being a Nid player, are they different? You saying a truck and tank at the same Angleofvengence?
The Goliath Truck will be an open-topped vehicle; obviously used to transport hybrids into close assault.
The Goliath Rockgrinder will also be open-topped but I doubt that it will have any transport capacity. If it does, it will likely be a diminished amount.
As I remember non of the tank is open topped
Both of them can tranport and one of them have 6 fire spot at the rear
Davor wrote: Still refreshing the GW site here in Canada. Anyone else doing it as well in North America?
Yep. Nothing yet. I haven't been this excited for a release in a long time. GSC was my first army back in 2nd edition, and eventually became the basis for my Tyranid army. I never thought they would see the light of day again. Very pleased to be wrong!
The rock crusher truck is a beauty. I am in love. If only I hadn't just bought into Deathwatch last week...
455_PWR wrote: Preorders are up, got two dice sets, the le codex, and the silver tower character cards.
Glad I checked in on the thread, F5 refresh didn't catch the preorders going up, they only showed after I logged in.
Looked at my email a minute ago, and the preorder announcement email came in just after the order confirmation email. Both stamped with the same time of arrival to my inbox.
As somebody who hasn't played 40k in many years but plans on getting these for painting / Space Hulk use what's the breakdown on game content vs fluff in a modern codex? Am I going to be missing out on a lot of fun background and art if I skip the codex to buy more models?
ecurtz wrote: As somebody who hasn't played 40k in many years but plans on getting these for painting / Space Hulk use what's the breakdown on game content vs fluff in a modern codex? Am I going to be missing out on a lot of fun background and art if I skip the codex to buy more models?
I wouldn't worry about the fluff if you aren't likely to use the rules content. Modern 40k codexes are pretty weak in the fluff department. Lots of hyperbole and not much in the way of characterful narrative.
ecurtz wrote: As somebody who hasn't played 40k in many years but plans on getting these for painting / Space Hulk use what's the breakdown on game content vs fluff in a modern codex? Am I going to be missing out on a lot of fun background and art if I skip the codex to buy more models?
Yes and no. The codices contain if anything more fluff and art these days than ever. The actual quality of that has, IMO, declined though - the fluff writing is very Saturday morning cartoon and the art is often more like Deviantart fan art and these days is only ever allowed to depict the actual models exactly as they exist.
I would try and get someone to let you flick through a copy first to see if it's to your taste before you fork over for one.
Sabotage! wrote: It just kind of dawned on me, I bet you could make some pretty cool looking Naval Armsmen using the Neophytes by removing the GS cult icons, using the shotguns, and giving them some Skitarii Vanguard heads. I think it would give a almost kind of 1800s nautical look kind of like the old BFG armsmen sketches.
You mean like this?
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Glad to see someone has already put the concept into use with the OK miniatures. That is a pretty awesome Armsman right there!
Hulksmash wrote: Got 2 sets of dice. I'll get the rest through a retailer.
As for the dice, on the one hand it's a bit disappointing that they're still doing symbols on the 1 side. On the other hand, at least that means I can freely mix these with my Tyranid dice from a few years ago.
455_PWR wrote: Preorders are up, got two dice sets, the le codex, and the silver tower character cards.
Glad I checked in on the thread, F5 refresh didn't catch the preorders going up, they only showed after I logged in.
Looked at my email a minute ago, and the preorder announcement email came in just after the order confirmation email. Both stamped with the same time of arrival to my inbox.
Weird, it was after one, I kept refreshing nothing, still saw gorechosen. So I clicked on Tyranids, out of boredom and was shocked to see the Genestealer Cult stuff up. Ended up not getting the collector's edition, but got the bundle codex with dice and cards. Now I have an extra $100 for the truck/vehicle for next weeks orders.
Hulksmash wrote: Got 2 sets of dice. I'll get the rest through a retailer.
As for the dice, on the one hand it's a bit disappointing that they're still doing symbols on the 1 side. On the other hand, at least that means I can freely mix these with my Tyranid dice from a few years ago.
When it comes to leadership checks you would love to see that symbol now.
I think it's good having the symbol on the one now. How many times have we missed our "re-rolls" of one and missed the ones because of all the dice rolled? So maybe it's good to have the symbol on one now it will be easier to see our re-rolls.
A video from the writers of the new Codex: Genestealer Cults
from Warhammer tv
sounds like the cult ambush rule will, combined with infiltrate is going to allow units not only to appear on the board but disappear again too (into reserves I guess), which means you may well be able to outmanoeuvre and outpace even fast armies like elder (if the table favours you no need to worry about a last min rush to claim a distant objective, they'll just pop up right beside it even if it was several feet away)
Do preorders from the GW website typically arrive before or after the street date?
And to Davor, I'm sorry I shamed you earlier. It wasn't intentional. I just assumed that by destroying so many foul vehicles of the imperium how they work should be old hat.
tetrisphreak wrote: Do preorders from the GW website typically arrive before or after the street date?
And to Davor, I'm sorry I shamed you earlier. It wasn't intentional. I just assumed that by destroying so many foul vehicles of the imperium how they work should be old hat.
I usually just get preorders shipped to my local GW. Free shipping, and I get it on the day of release. Those few times I've preordered and had stuff come to the house, it's usually over a week after. Caveat to that, I'm a couple thousand miles from Memphis, where they ship from, so if you were closer, it wouldn't be such a wait.
I remember, years ago, when they'd ship early and try to time it so that you'd get your preordered stuff on, or as close as they could manage, to release day. I even got some a day or two early, once or twice. Those were good times.
tetrisphreak wrote: Do preorders from the GW website typically arrive before or after the street date?
They should arrive at your local GW on release day for you to collect. They should do at least - that's how it works here in the UK. If it's going to your door, it may take an extra day or two.
A video from the writers of the new Codex: Genestealer Cults
from Warhammer tv
sounds like the cult ambush rule will, combined with infiltrate is going to allow units not only to appear on the board but disappear again too (into reserves I guess), which means you may well be able to outmanoeuvre and outpace even fast armies like elder (if the table favours you no need to worry about a last min rush to claim a distant objective, they'll just pop up right beside it even if it was several feet away)
yea，certain unit can go go on going reserve from tabletop in movement phase
I wish they did symbols on the 6, and not the 1. I get excited seeing the symbol on my deathwatch dice, only to have the sudden realization that means a 1 and I suck at 40k.
These are easily my favorites and they appear to be a head swap sprue added to guardsmen.
Eyup, just a quick headswap (and the odd arm swap in the case of the icon bearer) and a matching paint scheme to tie in with the rest of the army, quite effective and neat, especially as they're mostly using the heads with the scarfs / bandanas to hide their mouths.
Very interested to see what the modellers out there come up with when combining these kits, the Skitarii, chaos cultists and Imperial Guard. I found that just Skitarii heads added nice variety to the DW: Overkill miniatures:
Spoiler:
I do fear for wallets out there though, a largely infantry driven Cult army will not come cheaply.
Spyro_Killer wrote: Anyone else getting the impression that the neophyte hybrids are going to be the only troop choice?
I bet the Neophytes and also Acolytes will be Troops. The Acolytes from Deathwatch:O were Troops. Possibly also the Guardsmen variant will be troops as well, if they get their own profile.
Spyro_Killer wrote: Anyone else getting the impression that the neophyte hybrids are going to be the only troop choice?
I expect the acolytes to also be troops (like they currently are), and the mutated guys from the same kit to be elites. Something like +1A and more weapon options.
The brood brothers could also include standard guardsmen, who would probably be troops too.
The fast attack slot seems pretty empty though. Maybe the transport variant of the truck. Is the sentinel FA in the guard codex?
looking at the gw website, we can conclude that the Neophytes and the Acolytes are troops and Metamorphs are elites. The Patriarch, Magus and Primus will most likely stay hq, because it would be strange if the would become elite or something like that. Seeing how genestealers aren't as common in a gc army, its very likely that they won't be troop, so that leaves either elite(as they where in dw : ok) or otherwise fast
kestral wrote: You know what I like about this release - what is NOT in it. No fifty foot tall genestealer mutant. No giant robot. No psyker on a column of fire. No flyer. It's gritty - the "mining" theme is awesome. Really old school.
Spot on.
THIS is what GW should have focused on years ago. Not squander their HIPS capabilities on increasingly silly looking giant monsters that hardly fit on the tables anymore.
Awesome looking and detailed infantry kits. When done right, no one comes close to GW. These are gritty but still exotic. Grimdark done right. These are kit's people want to buy more than one box of. Had they focused on making these kinds of kits, I might still have cared about 40K
Got my limited ed codex and a set of dice. Gonna wait on the minis for now. I'm sitting on 100+ painted hybrids, and some selected weapon/arm swaps should have those ready to roll. I may get some acolytes to run as metamorphs down the road. Hopefully I can get some of the new weapons bits from a bits seller.
My trucks should count-as the new ones nicely (although I'll probably get the new kit at some point) with just a little work, and I have 3 russes, some chimeras, and 3 sentinels ready to go already.
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nagash42 wrote: Cult knight would be neat though a knight household infested.
I have plans for this. And just about all the parts I need. Maybe this release will give me a few new ones too.
terry wrote: looking at the gw website, we can conclude that the Neophytes and the Acolytes are troops and Metamorphs are elites. The Patriarch, Magus and Primus will most likely stay hq, because it would be strange if the would become elite or something like that. Seeing how genestealers aren't as common in a gc army, its very likely that they won't be troop, so that leaves either elite(as they where in dw : ok) or otherwise fast
other than one of the formations
You can only take one of Patriarch, Magus and Primus as HQ
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xttz wrote: Based on various bits & pieces here I expect this is what we'll end up with:
A video from the writers of the new Codex: Genestealer Cults
from Warhammer tv
sounds like the cult ambush rule will, combined with infiltrate is going to allow units not only to appear on the board but disappear again too (into reserves I guess), which means you may well be able to outmanoeuvre and outpace even fast armies like elder (if the table favours you no need to worry about a last min rush to claim a distant objective, they'll just pop up right beside it even if it was several feet away)
Thanks for posting this, it was a good watch. Curious that the words "brood brothers" aren't used at all though.
tetrisphreak wrote: Do preorders from the GW website typically arrive before or after the street date?
And to Davor, I'm sorry I shamed you earlier. It wasn't intentional. I just assumed that by destroying so many foul vehicles of the imperium how they work should be old hat.
I usually just get preorders shipped to my local GW. Free shipping, and I get it on the day of release. Those few times I've preordered and had stuff come to the house, it's usually over a week after. Caveat to that, I'm a couple thousand miles from Memphis, where they ship from, so if you were closer, it wouldn't be such a wait.
I remember, years ago, when they'd ship early and try to time it so that you'd get your preordered stuff on, or as close as they could manage, to release day. I even got some a day or two early, once or twice. Those were good times.
Thanks. Just had a game of 40K, and I can't believe how hard a time I have with the rules. Thank god I have great players who just guide me through it over and over again.
Gah, I just pre-ordered. So I will not get it on release day? I have to wait? Hope it doesn't come on Monday, will not be home so hoping it comes this week early, or looks like I will have to wait almost 2 weeks for it. Gah.
@Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
Spyro_Killer wrote: And does everything except genestealers count as hybrids?
those unit releasing next week, but I am not sure about Aberrants, I just remember it cost 30pts per model
Aberrants and one of the new tank should come 2 weeks later
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: That new truck is definitely going to be bought for anyone that wants a Taurox but doesn't want to put the worm in to make it look nice.
I'm one of the few who likes the look of the Taurox - it reminds me of our good old meaty Mastiff APC, at least from the front:
Spoiler:
Still, the Goliath is pretty awesome, and would make for a good IG or Ork vehicle too
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
Whats the unit size for Purestrain Genestealers? Those are expensive at 15pts a pop.
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
Can you actually give us any useful information whatsoever?
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
Are wyvern and hydra in the codex ? thanks.
No , but you can use IG/Tyranids as ally of convenience
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
Whats the unit size for Purestrain Genestealers? Those are expensive at 15pts a pop.
This is the biggest thing for me. Definitely want to know
I can't believe I missed all of this! It's great to see another old faction of the setting coming back. And that Goliath truck is amazing! It's great to finally have a small wheeled vehicle that isn't a ramshackle Ork design.
legionaires wrote: @Tyranid607: Nice! So any big surprises or things that would excite folks that hasn't been hinted yet? (Wondering if I can finally dust off my old Iron Warrior Basilisk).
The big suprise is it will be very expensive to build a army as most of the troops are just 6/8-13pts
a box of Neophyte Hybrids which cost £25 is merely 100pts, and so do Metamorphs and Acolyte
Whats the unit size for Purestrain Genestealers? Those are expensive at 15pts a pop.
I think it is 13pts, not really expensive if you consider it could remove the whole unit to ongoing reserve and re-enter as infiltrate
You can cross the table !
BoLS has got one as they've posted a video to facebook of them flipping through it (to fast to show anything interesting) and promised more during the week
Can you actually give us any useful information whatsoever?
Feeding the troll, my friend - he still hasn't explained how exactly he got this codex so early and so conveniently the day it went on preorder
Nostromodamus wrote:General Annoyance is an apt username with the size of that fething picture.
Rule no. 1, please, but yes, I may have got the scale slightly wrong there
All the warhammer store run directly by Gameworkshop has this book and unit including the tank in stock already
I just have a look of the dex, which I don't have it on hand
It explains why I have those dice
Believe it or not, the tank is going to release at Oct 8 and there is a big bundle of ultramarine boxset release too
Can you actually give us any useful information whatsoever?
Feeding the troll, my friend - he still hasn't explained how exactly he got this codex so early and so conveniently the day it went on preorder
Nostromodamus wrote:General Annoyance is an apt username with the size of that fething picture.
Rule no. 1, please, but yes, I may have got the scale slightly wrong there
All the warhammer store run directly by Gameworkshop has this book and unit including the tank in stock already
I just have a look of the dex, which I don't have it on hand
It explains why I have those dice
Believe it or not, the tank is going to release at Oct 8 and there is a big bundle of ultramarine boxset release too
Makes sense to me. Any quick hints about the cult ambush army rule? I've got a feeling it will allow gen stealers and hybrids to assault from reserves.
The thing is, you only gave information that was previously known (from overkill), or things that we can get from the video (moving to ongoing reserves, then coming back).
For people who haven't watched the video: there is an army wide rule that allows units to disappear from the table, and re-enter somewhere (rolling on a table each time apparently).
Also, Leman Russ and Chimera are in, as well as standard guardsmen (forgot if they mentioned the sentinel or not).
They also discuss some formations. Apparently a big one with genestealers + patriarch.
All the warhammer store run directly by Gameworkshop has this book and unit including the tank in stock already
I just have a look of the dex, which I don't have it on hand
It explains why I have those dice
Believe it or not, the tank is going to release at Oct 8 and there is a big bundle of ultramarine boxset release too
My apologies, just seemed a little fishy. That explains the level of information you're able to provide at the minute.
Can you actually give us any useful information whatsoever?
Feeding the troll, my friend - he still hasn't explained how exactly he got this codex so early and so conveniently the day it went on preorder
Nostromodamus wrote:General Annoyance is an apt username with the size of that fething picture.
Rule no. 1, please, but yes, I may have got the scale slightly wrong there
All the warhammer store run directly by Gameworkshop has this book and unit including the tank in stock already
I just have a look of the dex, which I don't have it on hand
It explains why I have those dice
Believe it or not, the tank is going to release at Oct 8 and there is a big bundle of ultramarine boxset release too
Makes sense to me. Any quick hints about the cult ambush army rule? I've got a feeling it will allow gen stealers and hybrids to assault from reserves.
I remember one of the formation gain those unit shrouded at first turn allow genestealer to place anywhere on table as infiltrate
And many of the unit get the special rule called "into the xxx" (can't remember) which allow them to remove the unit in your movement phase and court as ongoing reserve
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fresus wrote: The thing is, you only gave information that was previously known (from overkill), or things that we can get from the video (moving to ongoing reserves, then coming back).
For people who haven't watched the video: there is an army wide rule that allows units to disappear from the table, and re-enter somewhere (rolling on a table each time apparently).
Also, Leman Russ and Chimera are in, as well as standard guardsmen (forgot if they mentioned the sentinel or not).
They also discuss some formations. Apparently a big one with genestealers + patriarch.
That's why I deleted the info I post here before the release of video
I am not familiar with IG unit, but I don't think Chimera is in.
And there are 2 walker unit from IG in the dex
No standard guardsman in dex for sure, at the page before warlord traits table, it does mention you can use Tyranids / IG as allly
There's a picture on the iPad preview that literally shows "standard guardsmen"(ie Brood Brothers, named as such) and a Chimera in cult colours. Would GW really be putting those colour-guide "art" images in the dex for units that aren't actually part of the army?
shade1313 wrote: Thant truck looks just about perfect to convert up as a stand-in for a Centaur for my Renegade Guard, too.
I'd slow your roll there chief, looking at the images and the Centaur I have here the Goliath looks to be at least twice the size - if you game with anyone who's uptight about WYSIWYG or LoS it might cause you problems.
kestral wrote: You know what I like about this release - what is NOT in it. No fifty foot tall genestealer mutant. No giant robot. No psyker on a column of fire. No flyer. It's gritty - the "mining" theme is awesome. Really old school.
Spot on.
THIS is what GW should have focused on years ago. Not squander their HIPS capabilities on increasingly silly looking giant monsters that hardly fit on the tables anymore.
Awesome looking and detailed infantry kits. When done right, no one comes close to GW. These are gritty but still exotic. Grimdark done right. These are kit's people want to buy more than one box of. Had they focused on making these kinds of kits, I might still have cared about 40K
Bingo. It appears that GW has managed to bring back a classic army without overdoing it with 7th edition silliness. Chaos cultists/LATD and sisters of battle need new codexes with a similar design philosophy. Enough of the robo-space dragons and giant transformers in every army. Go back to your grimdark roots...
Going through the BOLs teaser video on their facebook page and freeze framing where they flip through the codex. One line of text stood out to me:
You cannot include more than one patriarch, one magus, and one primus in the same cult insurrection detachment.
Getting all those extra psykers will take some trickery it seems.
The detachment bonuses include re-rolling your warlord trait, getting stealth on the first turn (or shrouded if you already have stealth), and whenever a unit from the detachment comes onto the table from ongoing reserves, it can add up to D6 models back into it that it lost previously in the battle.
The metamorphs are 5 models for 45 points base and can add up to 5 more. Not very expensive and most biomorph upgrades are 1-2 ppm. A lot of it is hard to pick out because of the low res and the time-lapse of the video.
kestral wrote: You know what I like about this release - what is NOT in it. No fifty foot tall genestealer mutant. No giant robot. No psyker on a column of fire. No flyer. It's gritty - the "mining" theme is awesome. Really old school.
Spot on.
THIS is what GW should have focused on years ago. Not squander their HIPS capabilities on increasingly silly looking giant monsters that hardly fit on the tables anymore.
Awesome looking and detailed infantry kits. When done right, no one comes close to GW. These are gritty but still exotic. Grimdark done right. These are kit's people want to buy more than one box of. Had they focused on making these kinds of kits, I might still have cared about 40K
Bingo. It appears that GW has managed to bring back a classic army without overdoing it with 7th edition silliness. Chaos cultists/LATD and sisters of battle need new codexes with a similar design philosophy. Enough of the robo-space dragons and giant transformers in every army. Go back to your grimdark roots...
The lost and the damned have an amazing army list already in imperial armour 13
Cost-wise, building up the rank and file may not come in cheap but let's be real... who out there isn't already sat on 2+ boxes of unbuilt DW:OK??? :-D
Am I the only one thinking that "Tyranid607" is making things up as he goes along? I mean, brand-new user (profile has been up for less than a day), claiming to have read the codex but is extremely vague about everything and regurgitating information from Overkill rules...
baritowned wrote: Am I the only one thinking that "Tyranid607" is making things up as he goes along? I mean, brand-new user (profile has been up for less than a day), claiming to have read the codex but is extremely vague about everything and regurgitating information from Overkill rules...
Kinda screams troll to me
We don't really know, so rather than start a witch hunt and run him off, let's just hear what he has to say and choose whether or not we want to believe it.
baritowned wrote: Am I the only one thinking that "Tyranid607" is making things up as he goes along? I mean, brand-new user (profile has been up for less than a day), claiming to have read the codex but is extremely vague about everything and regurgitating information from Overkill rules...
Kinda screams troll to me
If you don't want to read what he says or don't believe it why not just put him on ignore and be done with it? Not sure what the need is to get all hot and bothered...
You can see a purestrain claw hanging out of the window hatch in the unpainted pic, wouldn't make sense for them to do that if only hybrids can ride in it.
baritowned wrote: Am I the only one thinking that "Tyranid607" is making things up as he goes along? I mean, brand-new user (profile has been up for less than a day), claiming to have read the codex but is extremely vague about everything and regurgitating information from Overkill rules...
Kinda screams troll to me
We don't really know, so rather than start a witch hunt and run him off, let's just hear what he has to say and choose whether or not we want to believe it.
Maybe it's my inner cynic, or the fact that he said the Chimera isn't in despite us already having proof that it is that's making me not believe him
jSewell wrote: You can see a purestrain claw hanging out of the window hatch in the unpainted pic, wouldn't make sense for them to do that if only hybrids can ride in it.
Could possibly be just to make the truck look cooler, or could be a hybrid's claw.
(still, would be neat if stealers could ride inside, very fun to think of them popping out when an Arbites pulled it over for speeding)
"I predict a riot, an na na.
I predict a riot, as a genestealer runs by,
Them battle nuns starting to cry,
I predict a riot, an na na."
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Your body evacuates your guts.
Untill I get an official announcement or the thing is in my hand...
It's all just salty puke I'm staring at
Automatically Appended Next Post: With all the fun were having today, tomorrow brings forth tidings of me staring in to the bathroom wishing well with the brush of truth trying to work out which hole that bit came out off... Um the lumpy bits I paint right?
For the hobby.
baritowned wrote: Am I the only one thinking that "Tyranid607" is making things up as he goes along? I mean, brand-new user (profile has been up for less than a day), claiming to have read the codex but is extremely vague about everything and regurgitating information from Overkill rules...
Kinda screams troll to me
We don't really know, so rather than start a witch hunt and run him off, let's just hear what he has to say and choose whether or not we want to believe it.
Maybe it's my inner cynic, or the fact that he said the Chimera isn't in despite us already having proof that it is that's making me not believe him
They've mentioned they don't have the codex, just that they've flipped through it at a local store.
baritowned wrote: Am I the only one thinking that "Tyranid607" is making things up as he goes along? I mean, brand-new user (profile has been up for less than a day), claiming to have read the codex but is extremely vague about everything and regurgitating information from Overkill rules...
Kinda screams troll to me
If you don't want to read what he says or don't believe it why not just put him on ignore and be done with it? Not sure what the need is to get all hot and bothered...
Exactly this. We'll know in a week, maybe less. Never understand why people get so worked up over stuff like this.
You'd think people could take one day to appreciate that we actually have Genestealer Cults again, before needing to dissect the rumored rules and figure out how to tool their net lists or whatever. I'm just going to enjoy the models and plan my Necromunda/Inq28/Kill Team conversions.
For me, knowing what IG vehicles and units that have just means I know ahead of time what I need to go grab out of storage as I have a lot of old unassembled IG and nid models and this has me interested again after 8 years away from 40k.
Someone shared a tidbit of info having 'had a look' and everyone leaps on them because they don't have the whole codex memorised. What a welcome to a new user.
On topic, I am impressed with everything in this release. Giving the army a strong miner aesthetic really sets them apart. The art in the codex is good for once. The rules look like they will prevent the cult from bring just another horde army and the minis are stunning.
Well done Gw.
Sadly tomorrow is our monthly RTT so I won't be able to use the GSC yet. Then Monday begins our weekly league which is a heralds of ruin kill team. I'll have to convince someone to play a full sized game with me outside of the league restrictions because I'm dying to use these guys
That truck is absolutely lovely. I probably won't get a GS cult army (although the cultists are really cool, I'm tempted.) But I need that truck. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with it, but I will get one.
tetrisphreak wrote: Sadly tomorrow is our monthly RTT so I won't be able to use the GSC yet. Then Monday begins our weekly league which is a heralds of ruin kill team. I'll have to convince someone to play a full sized game with me outside of the league restrictions because I'm dying to use these guys
If you have Overkill, the dataslates have the neophyte and acolyte squads for 195 pts combined. 28 mcgribbles will be a lot for any kill team to handle.
tetrisphreak wrote: Sadly tomorrow is our monthly RTT so I won't be able to use the GSC yet. Then Monday begins our weekly league which is a heralds of ruin kill team. I'll have to convince someone to play a full sized game with me outside of the league restrictions because I'm dying to use these guys
If you have Overkill, the dataslates have the neophyte and acolyte squads for 195 pts combined. 28 mcgribbles will be a lot for any kill team to handle.
I'm planning on giving them a shot this week when my group gets together.
We are using the heralds of ruin rosters so I can use the army for the league and start painting it but I'm really dying to test them out full strength.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was really hoping to take advantage of black library but they've time locked the mobi file. Still will be handy to have so I don't mess up my collectors codex
tetrisphreak wrote: Sadly tomorrow is our monthly RTT so I won't be able to use the GSC yet. Then Monday begins our weekly league which is a heralds of ruin kill team. I'll have to convince someone to play a full sized game with me outside of the league restrictions because I'm dying to use these guys
If you have Overkill, the dataslates have the neophyte and acolyte squads for 195 pts combined. 28 mcgribbles will be a lot for any kill team to handle.
I'm planning on giving them a shot this week when my group gets together.
We are using the heralds of ruin rosters so I can use the army for the league and start painting it but I'm really dying to test them out full strength.
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My local just started using Heralds of Ruin and we all are having a blast with it.
Formosa wrote: i wonder if they will sort out stealers in this dex?
I'm guessing yes, but it's fairly presumptive.
1.) we know the army rule lets you set up closer than usual, and possibly assault from reserves.
2.) we know the purestrains in overkill come with stealth.
3.) we know there's a formation that includes a patriarch and a brood of purestrains.
Based on these facts I would imagine that particular formation could get a more likely bonus to the cult ambush table as well as good cover bonuses.
The models all look amazing. My favorite has to be the grinning acolyte with dynamite. I also love the giant saws, drills, and cutters some of them are using.
My question is will Genestealer Cults count as Tyranids for the Preferred Enemy special rule?
I play an Elysian D99 list from the Aphelion Project and all units have Preferred Enemy (Tyranids), so it would be awesome if it did but I presume it won't as Genestealer Cults are a separate codex.
Spyro_Killer wrote: And does everything except genestealers count as hybrids?
those unit releasing next week, but I am not sure about Aberrants, I just remember it cost 30pts per model
Aberrants and one of the new tank should come 2 weeks later
What's coming out between the codex and hybrids and the vehicle then? I thought the vehicle would be next week, not 2 weeks time.
Bottle wrote: Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).
What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?
I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...
I have a horrible feeling that the trucks will cost about €50-60 euro but you can work out for yourself what that is in brexit money Already this is looking like the most expensive army to build I've ever considered
dan2026 wrote: I have to wonder what will be the point of Genestealers in the book?
Surely the Acolytes do the melee troops thing so much better?
If this turns out to be correct, hopefully GW will sort 'stealers out in the next Tyranid Codex.
Don´t think so.
If you look at the vid they clearly say, that the Genestealers, the Purestrains, are different from the "normal" genestealers of the nids. Stronger und more aggressive, potential to become a patriach.
Bottle wrote: Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).
What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?
I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...
I have a horrible feeling that the trucks will cost about €50-60 euro but you can work out for yourself what that is in brexit money Already this is looking like the most expensive army to build I've ever considered
Haha, so about £50 pounds then :-p
No, I don't think it'll be that much. I'm not an active 40k player, so I don't know about a 2000 point army, but for the price of the plastic you get they seem good value to me. Surely a box of Overkill, a box of Neophytes, box of Acolytes, 2 Goliaths and 2 boxes of Genestealers would get you a good army (or am I missing the mark here on how many you'll need).
dan2026 wrote: I have to wonder what will be the point of Genestealers in the book?
Surely the Acolytes do the melee troops thing so much better?
Whats the Point of Hormagants if we have Genestealers, whats the point of Shrikes if we have Ravagers, whats the point. Whats the point in playing 5 different types of SM?
Its the same for every army, its for variety, modeling, painting and fun.
Bottle wrote: Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).
What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?
I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...
I have a horrible feeling that the trucks will cost about €50-60 euro but you can work out for yourself what that is in brexit money Already this is looking like the most expensive army to build I've ever considered
Haha, so about £50 pounds then :-p
No, I don't think it'll be that much. I'm not an active 40k player, so I don't know about a 2000 point army, but for the price of the plastic you get they seem good value to me. Surely a box of Overkill, a box of Neophytes, box of Acolytes, 2 Goliaths and 2 boxes of Genestealers would get you a good army (or am I missing the mark here on how many you'll need).
Missing the mark a little I'm afraid the full overkill box is 600pts can assume the new boxes are about 100 pts a piece, genestealer are apparently 13 pts according to a previous poster and tanks are an unknown. That'd clock in about 1300 as a guess?
Oh wow. Looks like I am sticking to combat patrol then :-p
Age of Sigmar has this same problem, it gets to a point with horde armies that you simply don't want to take a whole trunk of minis to the game store, especially when you'll have to duplicate the choices many times over. What I posted above seems like an "army collection" in my mind and I wouldn't want to almost double it just to get to the tournament standard.
I was planning on buying the codex and a couple of boxes of neophytes this week but with how much building a list looks to be I'll probably just pick up a codex! Hopefully there's a way of doing it sans breaking the bank
Spyro_Killer wrote: I was planning on buying the codex and a couple of boxes of neophytes this week but with how much building a list looks to be I'll probably just pick up a codex! Hopefully there's a way of doing it sans breaking the bank
Buying the DWOGSC sprue on eBay seems like your best bet. About 40 models in that. Then just buy the GSC boxes that you want. Or go online, buy DWO cheap and flog the Deathwatch minis and game contents...
This release also looks golden if you wanted to start a Necromunda gang. I kind of want to paint up a gang with all these heavy stubbere and such floating around soon...
One box of neo's has 20 heads and 25 arms I'll get a box of Cadians and make 20 neo's pretty easily then get some trenchcoat legs, body's and rebreather heads use the shot guns and get 10-12 more that's 30-32 neo's and clocks in at $5aus a model roughly.
I'll get a box of acol's and from kromlech get the Ork armoured trenchcoats and get at least 16 acol's from one box. That's about $7-8aus a model.
With regards the pricing I'm wondering if we'll see a rerelease of the overkill cult contents minus the hqs as a start collecting box or something similar, much like how the kill team was resold separately.
Each to their own but I wouldn't try and model a mixed unit that uses the new neophytes AND cadians. I'd do separate units for sure. And plastic cadians are so damn expensive these days anyway, it's barely worth it.
I don't see what the big deal is personally - if you tried to build an imperial guard army with the kind of model count people are talking about here, it would be more or less just as expensive in £££. There's always point sink units if you know how to find them, so if you're worried about getting up to a points level for pick-up games, don't be. I'm sure some pricey unit and weapon upgrades will be in the book. Probably best to wait and see. And if your response to that is that it won't be competitive - well, building a truly competitive army for tournaments or whatever is often expensive.
Don´t think so.
If you look at the vid they clearly say, that the Genestealers, the Purestrains, are different from the "normal" genestealers of the nids. Stronger und more aggressive, potential to become a patriach.
ah, my sound card is borked at the moment so didn't hear the audio.
That's a let down for my Nids.
I've ordered the Codex for the fluff, etc but looking my Warmashame* pile I'll hold off for a while on actual models - I've got DW:OK to get started on in the mean time.
(It's a pile of unpainted shame made mostly of Warmachine, in case you were wondering. You werent'? Okay. )
Bull0 wrote: Each to their own but I wouldn't try and model a mixed unit that uses the new neophytes AND cadians. I'd do separate units for sure. And plastic cadians are so damn expensive these days anyway, it's barely worth it.
I don't see what the big deal is personally - if you tried to build an imperial guard army with the kind of model count people are talking about here, it would be more or less just as expensive in £££. There's always point sink units if you know how to find them, so if you're worried about getting up to a points level for pick-up games, don't be. I'm sure some pricey unit and weapon upgrades will be in the book. Probably best to wait and see. And if your response to that is that it won't be competitive - well, building a truly competitive army for tournaments or whatever is often expensive.
I wasn't going to do mixed units... 10 Cadians neo's, 10 trench coat neos and 10 normal from one box, I assumed it would be a ten man min unit. Or just do all Cadians extras or all trenchcoat extras it doesn't make much difference.
In Aus the GSC boxes are $70 the AM boxes are $48 we really have messed up pricing.
If you buy overkill sell of the marines to buy a box of neophytes and add the Astra militarum start collecting box you have a pretty good basis for an army. The commissar can easily be converted into a second Primus. If you can get the 20% discount online that is £120 for 62 models and a tank.
That back-of-codex shot would heavily imply that we're not getting a new multi-part kit for Aberrants. I wonder if they'll even be released separately, or if GW will just sell the Overkill sprues separately like the Cassius ones.
Nothing new I guess. At least a confirmation some shops have the product and Codex leaks shouldnt be far away.
The question why there are some shops have them in stock already is because those stores are run directly by Gameworkshop
The store in US is kinda like franchise stores, so us store get some stuff that uk doesn't have ( like the paint set for kids)
Well I grabbed 66 deathwatch acolytes and ordered 2 box for bit and parts. Figure I'll likely be running either 3 units of 20 or 4 units of 15 and a unit of metomorphs. Backed up 32 deathwatch neophytes and 2 more boxes of those. I'm building a horde. Trucks might not have an initial place in my list but I'll grab some for fun long run.
My understanding from the video on Warhammer TV is that there IS a faction formation called the 'cult uprising'. I also think I read somewhere that you can only take 1 magus, patriarch and primus per 'cult uprising' formation.
This is just my understanding based on what was said in the video.
Hulksmash wrote: My question is is there a super detachment/decurion style detachment or is it a collection of detachments and a force org?
100% not a normal force org ( unlike Marine 1HQ + 2troop)
It is more like the necrons one, the top box is HQ , the middle box is Troop and the button box I can't remember what it is. they are the basic unit you need to carry to from a detechment
here is what it said you can only have magus, patriarch and primus
And then other "box" you may choose to take
I just realised looking at the back of the box photos - they have a proper, oldschool Flamer as well. That makes me irrationally happy.
Honestly, I can't tell whether what we're seeing is a GW studio that's run out of ideas and is cynically mining out the nostalgia of their back catalogue, or a GW studio that's been freed by recent hierarchical changes to indulge their own passion for stuff that was previously verboten, but frankly I don't care either way as long as they keep giving us kits like that.
At this point, I'm almost hoping we don't see 8th Edition for a long, long time and they just keep giving us new mini-factions - Arbites and Sisters would let us represent pretty much every Imperial military force on the tabletop, and the mini-faction format increases the likelihood we'll see new minor Xenos races.
Looking at the picture of the back of the codex, you can also see on the Leman Russ a few Cult Icons which I presume you get from the mentioned but as yet unseen Genestealer Cult Upgrade Sprue.
wuestenfux wrote:The models are great. Now let's see if the codex is great too.
Do you mean rules only or fluff as well? That is why I think the Tyranid codex is not great. Forget about the rules at the moment, the fluff is not good at all there. Here is hoping Robin Cruddace stays far away from the Genstealer Cult codex.
JohnnyHell wrote:Play the size of game you want against the people you want. Don't worry about tournaments and standards. It's your game, people.
This is why we need a thumbs up here on Dakka. Very well said.
Seems like chaos cultists would mix in nicely auto guns and hoods. To bad I converted mine to loyalist PDF. This release feels like a kit basher's dream. Sighs and looks at unfinished projects, guess nids will have to wait. So much want!
As someone who doesn't play current 40K even I am excited by this. This is great news for people who play Inquisitor28 or Inquisimunda...or Necromunda. The arming of the miniatures would make a perfect line-up of models for a gang in Necromunda (you'd just have to choose a house, etc.).
I really get the feeling these are figures produced by a few people at GW who have a bit of that nostalgia. As someone who enjoys other sci-fi games as well, cool models are cool models. The leaked price info is hugely disappointing though.
The models as a whole are great looking though - arguably better than a large amount of the 40K range available.
I find the price of the basic troops to be reasonable for the type of kit released. And the acolyte box is actually cheaper than the direction and products they were releasing for the same thing not even a year ago. I'll happily take it. They can't drop prices but they can price new stuff more reasonably and do bundies for old stuff and that's what they're doing.
Retrogamer0001 wrote: Those things look a lot like children's toys. The Turtle Van from the 90s comes to mind.
As someone with experience in the mining industry, I can safely say that they actually bear a strong resemblance to modern day dump trucks. With a little artistic license thrown in of course. The scales a little off for example, but the basics are there, big chunky tires, grab rails, flat bed, enclosed cab.
But then if your only experience is children's toys and cartoons, then I can see how you'd draw such a comparison.
Had a quick scan of the contents page they posted and couldn't see anything that hasn't been mentioned/speculated so far - though I might not be reading it right (cue Hudson from Aliens quote)
One of those pictures in the BoLS preview confirms the unit list. The Patriarch/Magus/Primus aren't named so you will get multiples, just maybe not in the same detachment. Chimeras, both Armored and Scout Sentinels, Leman Russ Squadrons (I'm guessing not the siege/Demolisher box variants but just the ones in the standard kit), etc. I'm assuming the "Acolyte Iconward" are the Astra Militarum infantry...that or the Acolyte Hybrids are a dual kit? Might be that Astra Militarum infantry are drawn from Allies. Interesting stuff.
Those are the rules for the Rockgrinder, it might be that the normal Goliath is a proper open-topped transport.
It doesn't show what the weapons are, but yes, definitely a buffed Chimera. If only we could tell what the Drilldozer Blade does...also, the weapon upgrades look cheap. The six firing points is nice.
They have the book but are refusing to show it to us instead they drip feed it :\
Yay. Also those rules aren't the interesting part what is interesting is what that deff rolla / drill thingy does.
See me latest comment It's the Rockgrinder, the standard one might be quite a bit different...maybe. The image confirms what the points cost of the Rockgrinder is which is nice, based on what the equipment is like it looks like it might be worth it as that Rugged Construction rule is really good for a transport o have.
BoLS will be BoLS, they use the excuse that we should buy the codex but it's painfully obvious they will drip feed to generate interest in the website and get clicks. Meh, it's their prerogative I guess.
As it stands the mining laser is an improvised version of the lascannon- it stands to reason that they are ripoffs of the grav guns and heavy flamers respectively.
If the seismic cannon had a modifier based on a models cover save rather than armour save it would have have great synergy with the 'ambush' rules that have been rumoured. It will be a great way to keep units out of cover you'll want to infiltrate!
GSC is nothing really like Xenomorphs, and if it is just the construction tool motiff for the power lifter that is rather limited in scope and scale because there is not even a power lifter in this release.
Aliens would be Tyranids. Playing Tyranids makes me think of Aliens (or Starship Troopers depending on the list)
For this I would think of something more along the lines of In the Mouth of Madness or maybe The Hills Have Eyes
GSC is nothing really like Xenomorphs, and if it is just the construction tool motiff for the power lifter that is rather limited in scope and scale because there is not even a power lifter in this release.
Aliens would be Tyranids. Playing Tyranids makes me think of Aliens (or Starship Troopers depending on the list)
For this I would think of something more along the lines of In the Mouth of Madness or maybe The Hills Have Eyes
I was thinking the music itself would lend to the idea of tension building and then suddenly the trap sprung with no way out, but I suppose you do have a point. (Though I find the Genestealers, Purestrains especially, embody the Xenomorph more than the Tyranids as a whole, but that is my opinion.)
If the iconward is a character option then I'll be picking up the neophytes box and the start collecting Astra Militarum box and converting the commissar
No option for Brood Brothers, but a chimera entry is interesting.
I even suspect the Goliath RockGrinder's AV of 12/10/10 is better than the Goliath Truck because of the drilldozer. I would imagine the truck to have a higher capacity yet only AV 10 or 11 in the front. That would make the chimera a more useful inclusion if you wanted the higher AV transport that could carry 12 models.
Ambience 327 wrote: Guessing the Acolyte Iconward is a character and is the model we have seen in the preview pics with the extra large icon/ banner thing.
I'd say so since its pictured next to the patriarch and away from the squad of acolytes.
It would be cool if the Genestealer claws shown in the transport(not the dozer bladed one) was an option to add a single purestrain one to buff the squad. Kinda like a "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"
Wait... what happened to Brood Brothers? How is there a conversion kit for Cadians but no unit to represent it in the codex? Very strange if they release a conversion kit that's meant to be used with units from another codex...
And just about all the parts I need. Maybe this release will give me a few new ones too. 
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