Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The thing is GW are missingg a trick in selling the upgrade sprues separately, the Deathwatch ones are selling like hot cakes on auction websites.

I now have the codex, Neophytes and dice in hand. Beautiful stuff.

Remember when GW put out those Space Marine upgrade sprues earlier and they sold ok but not great... Probably a test run for all these upgrade sprues. Their rationale: if the Ultramarines can't sell well enough on their own, no one can.

Fair call, and maybe they had a load of BA ones left which is why they bundled them with all the Angel's Blade releases the other week. The rrp of £8, and the fact that after a splash release in store they became web exclusive, probably did not help either.

Am enjoying bthe GSC codex a lot compared to some of the more recent releases.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:

Davor wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Maybe 60bucks for the truck is not too bad. but still, the 40bucks for the squads regardless of size of said squads. it is so odd the new guy in charge is still ramping prices up.

That is what I thought so as well, then I realized as I started to say a few weeks ago. Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors. GW is still the same, but the illusion of change.

LOL! like when they intro'd the very slightly revamped Landraider for the Deathwatch at 80USD when all other LRs are 75bucks

The DW Landraider also includes both the Godhammer sprues and the Crusader sprue, while the SM kits are one or the other. Depending on the kit, that Deathwatch upgrade sprue is valued at anywhere from $5ish to -$13.

The thing is, it doesn't matter if anything is being added. The prices are going up. We have the illusion that 40K is cheaper now because yes it's easier to get started buy buying a $100 Canadian get started box, which is bearable compared to before but once you want to start playing what other people are playing at higher point games, when you are buying anything that is not a get started box, you are paying too much.

So Mr Roundtree hasn't done anything about reducing the prices of their product. So in the end, yes it's easier to start now, but to keep continuing it's just as expensive as it's ever been, if not even worse now. Prices are still going up.

In the end the only thing that has changed is it's cheaper to get into 40K, but to keep playing it's as insane as it's ever been.

They must be doing something right. I've been a hardcore GW fan since the mid 90's, but I haven't spent much money on them since 2007. That all changed this year. I have so many Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult models now.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
They must be doing something right. I've been a hardcore GW fan since the mid 90's, but I haven't spent much money on them since 2007. That all changed this year. I have so many Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult models now.

Yeah they are doing something right. They are making us feel like we are not idiots. No more Mr Kirby and Mr IP guy knocking us down for buying their products.

Yeah I spend so much money on GW from January 2016, it seems I am not the only one. Will be curious to see what the second half results be for January to June. I think it will be a lot more products sold. Will be surprised if not. Not sure if that will translate to more profits but will be shocked if it doesn't lead to more sales.

Well, I finally went and sold off my 1500-2000pt marine army to prep for this release. Loving the whole thing here. Hopefully 80+ genestealers are enough for this army.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well, I finally went and sold off my 1500-2000pt marine army to prep for this release. Loving the whole thing here. Hopefully 80+ genestealers are enough for this army.

Hopefully in 10-11 months from now when 8th edition hits, you don't regret your decision and Genestealer Cult get's nerfed. Heaven forbid 8th edition becomes even more of a shootier edition than 7th was compared to 6th edition was and nerf assault based armies even more.

Davor wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well, I finally went and sold off my 1500-2000pt marine army to prep for this release. Loving the whole thing here. Hopefully 80+ genestealers are enough for this army.

Hopefully in 10-11 months from now when 8th edition hits, you don't regret your decision and Genestealer Cult get's nerfed. Heaven forbid 8th edition becomes even more of a shootier edition than 7th was compared to 6th edition was and nerf assault based armies even more.

It went to a good buddy of mine, so I will still see it on a regular basis. I ran it, but my heart never really went into the army like it did with my Tyranids. Only things I kept were an unassembled imperial knight and my sisters of battle that went with it.

So the Genestealer Cults get the Dethrolla that 7th ed Ork players wanted.

Really pleased with the LE cult dice in all their fancy see through glory,

but I did have to resist the silly money I was offered for them when I picked them up in store, tempting but I've waited too long for the cult to return

 skullking wrote:

Sorry, no sarcasm in my comment. I do really want a HUGE Genestealer creature to go with my army. I get that from a gaming perspective, it might not be needed to win games, and perhaps it doesn't appeal to everyone. It's just what I really would like to see. I'm perfectly happy losing every game I play, if I love the army I'm allowed to have. I realize many people like to break their armies, and individual figures down to just 'numbers', or W/L ratios, and that's fine, there's room in the hobby to enjoy that and more.

Looks like I'll have to re-purpose some Carnifex, and maybe something else, to fit into the Brood/cult. What would make a good 'genestealery' HQ to my Tyrannid allies? Can I use a broodlord with anything aside from other genestealers? Is it worth kitting out a Tyrant to look genestealer-like? Can a Tervigon work in a genestealer like context? What's a bigger somewhat genestealer-like Tyranid creature aside from the Carnifex (so, somewhat Bipedal/standing upright/big claws/ mostly CC/etc)?

I agree with others that thematically and rules wise a specific Stealer cult big gribbly is not needed. But the odd allied Nid would be fine IMO. It could be an advanced scout or a lone survivor from a nearby Hive fleet. The codex actually has a bit of fluff about a cult that worships a "battle scarred Tyranid monstrosity trapped in ice".

Hey GW: redo the old one eye sculpt.
Chuck him into GSC as a HS slot.
Job done.

 Ratius wrote:
Hey GW: redo the old one eye sculpt.
Chuck him into GSC as a HS slot.
Job done.

You can already make him out of the current kit as it has the scarred face and everything.

What about the Goliath truck/ rockgrinder?

What are their points?

Are they durable?

Are they worth it?

Do they do anything special?

I really want to know before I pull the trigger on ordering 4-6 of them. I don't have my codex yet.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Really pleased with the LE cult dice in all their fancy see through glory,

but I did have to resist the silly money I was offered for them when I picked them up in store, tempting but I've waited too long for the cult to return

I adore them too. Out of interest what were you offered for them? A few on eBay are already at £30.

 LemanRuse wrote:
What about the Goliath truck/ rockgrinder?

What are their points?

Are they durable?

Are they worth it?

Do they do anything special?

I really want to know before I pull the trigger on ordering 4-6 of them. I don't have my codex yet.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Really pleased with the LE cult dice in all their fancy see through glory,

but I did have to resist the silly money I was offered for them when I picked them up in store, tempting but I've waited too long for the cult to return

I adore them too. Out of interest what were you offered for them? A few on eBay are already at £30.

I was offered £45 which was very hard to turn down, but as I said to the chap I missed the harlequin set and I've just got to keep these (childhood nostalgia and all that)

There were conflicting reports about the dice.
One source said both cult symbol on 6 and skull on 1.
Others said just cult symbol on 1.
Which is it ?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:
What about the Goliath truck/ rockgrinder?

What are their points?

Are they durable?

Are they worth it?

Do they do anything special?

I really want to know before I pull the trigger on ordering 4-6 of them. I don't have my codex yet.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Spoiler:

Truck is cheap - 10 flamers, Av 11 at the front, 10 elsewhere, comes with Hvy Stubber and TL Autocannon usual stats. Is open topped and carry 10 models - NOT genestealers., ignores crew stuned, Shaken and imbolised on 4+, Normal human BS
Rockgrinder can still carry 6 but is not open topped and no restrictions on what it can carry.
Hv Stubber, Hv mining laser, 6 fire points, cost another 25pts +1 AV at front only

Thank you!

I'm going for it!

 adamsouza wrote:
There were conflicting reports about the dice.
One source said both cult symbol on 6 and skull on 1.
Others said just cult symbol on 1.
Which is it ?

just the cult symbol on the 1 (and a normal 6)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
There were conflicting reports about the dice.
One source said both cult symbol on 6 and skull on 1.
Others said just cult symbol on 1.
Which is it ?

just the cult symbol on the 1 (and a normal 6)

Thank you for the info.

I do have to admit, that is a little bit disappointing to hear.

 adamsouza wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
There were conflicting reports about the dice.
One source said both cult symbol on 6 and skull on 1.
Others said just cult symbol on 1.
Which is it ?

just the cult symbol on the 1 (and a normal 6)

Thank you for the info.

I do have to admit, that is a little bit disappointing to hear.

Yes, there is a lot of that going on. People usually want their symbol on the 6. easier to distinguish.

If they were not the cool combination of translucent with opaque edges, I wouldn't have bothered, and just order custom dice to my liking.

I am going to make a special bottom lit dice rolling tray for them.

adamsouza wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
There were conflicting reports about the dice.
One source said both cult symbol on 6 and skull on 1.
Others said just cult symbol on 1.
Which is it ?

just the cult symbol on the 1 (and a normal 6)

Thank you for the info.

I do have to admit, that is a little bit disappointing to hear.

Actually that is a good thing, having the symbol as a one. Now when we miss and if you get your rerolls, it will be easier to spot and know you have rerolls instead of missing those ones.

Most people want seeing the symbol to be a good thing, not a bad thing. Thus people like it on the 6.

GWs fans like their miniatures to be expensive, their products to be Limitied edition, their novels to be as short as possible and their rules to have no balance, is it really a suprise they continue to cater to that audience by putting the symbol on the one?

You know? Some of us who might have come to similar conclusions re:gw manage to still occasionally pop in to gw threads to see what's happening **without** whining quite as badly

AM I the only one who is really liking the broodmind powers? Mind Control looks to be a good one, with the only way to stop it being to deny the witch. It isn't even an opposed roll or the target having to fail a LD test or anything. In fact, they all look pretty solid options and only psionic blast seem,s to be a bit iffy (I'm not a fan of having to roll to get the power to go off and THEN having to roll to hit as well!)

 Lockark wrote:
Most people want seeing the symbol to be a good thing, not a bad thing. Thus people like it on the 6.

I'm in favour of really messing with people, and putting it on the face that should hold the 3 (or possibly the 4).

Why not change it to a random face on each dice?!

Vorian wrote:
Why not change it to a random face on each dice?!

Ok, Satan...

Quick question. Am i right that if you run the first curse, you get BOTH the furious charge special rule (if you join the patriarch to the genestealer brood) AND the strange mutation rule? That looks to be right to me?

Vorian wrote:
Why not change it to a random face on each dice?!

Because then it is far more hassle when trying to use them, and people are likely to accuse you of cheating unless you prove for each dice which face the symbol was when it turns up.

Just picking an unusual face makes this interesting, without disrupting things too much.

It was a joke, I'm not insane, haha

Though still bitter about missing out on them dispute pre ordering even before GW had them up on their site.

 adamsouza wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
There were conflicting reports about the dice.
One source said both cult symbol on 6 and skull on 1.
Others said just cult symbol on 1.
Which is it ?

just the cult symbol on the 1 (and a normal 6)

Thank you for the info.

I do have to admit, that is a little bit disappointing to hear.

Pg 15 of the Oct White Dwarf states the dice will have a skull on the '1' with a Cult Icon symbol on the '6'...but samples weren't available at the time of going to print.

There is either going to be a different set of dice coming or the product design was changed after the WD was put together three months ago.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Quick question. Am i right that if you run the first curse, you get BOTH the furious charge special rule (if you join the patriarch to the genestealer brood) AND the strange mutation rule? That looks to be right to me?

yes.

So quick straw poll, having read the book GSC seems to be really good, am I missing anything? I'm just sceptical after the pile of eugh that was deathwatch.

 Sirius42 wrote:
So quick straw poll, having read the book GSC seems to be really good, am I missing anything? I'm just sceptical after the pile of eugh that was deathwatch.

It's different. Very different. It's a fast, fluid army playstyle that isn't dependant on transports to accomplish this.

It's an assault horde that can actually get to the enemy lines.

It's got neat little psychic tricks and the army has some very obvious weaknesses built in.

A lot of it is simply different from the meta but not bad.

Deathwatch...I wanted to have hope for Deathwatch but the problem is there's only so much you can do with something that has Space Marines as a baseline.

The GSC I'd say is in a really good spot, it has the abilities to be mid tier +, I'd say it could handle it self well against the top tier armies but will require alittle luck and more skill than say Eldar and SM.

It feels like if you play offensively and dont do enough damage by turn 3 you want survive turn 4-5. But if you play defensively and survive enough by turn 3-4 you can pull out a win on objectives.

Just from reading the book there are a few play styles that most people will do, it has nice tools, different tactics, but still seems limited in competitive tier.

EDIT: These are my opinions on just reading the book a couple times, will need to play with it a good amount before knowing completely, there might be little tricks that changes the game, I havent look at allies either, just as a Stand alone book.

I think if you're willing to pay for a horde and can play it in a timely manner this answers the majority of top tier lists quite well. I'd argue based on my reading of the book in the right hands it's going to be devastating.

I'm curious, would this army perform well at point values of around 400 to 1000 pts?

Yes, due to the sheer number of models you can dump in I think it would. 1k in particular

 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious, would this army perform well at point values of around 400 to 1000 pts?

Depends on how you build it.

GSC are kind of the complete antithesis of Guard and Deathwatch. They have a lot of options to play with, and some of their stuff can be crazy effective against large numbers of targets. Couple that with Cult Ambush's utility(being able to potentially place your Assault units within 3" of an enemy unit, whether they can see you or not, and then being able to charge is a huuuuuuuge thing) and you have a really different army.

GSC are a breath of fresh air, in my opinion.

Smaller point levels most likely will help GSC IMO. with cheap units and tanks you can spam for days.

Honestly I would think higher points be harder for them, when other armies can add things like Knights and multi fliers it would be hard to handle that.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Smaller point levels most likely will help GSC IMO. with cheap units and tanks you can spam for days.

Honestly I would think higher points be harder for them, when other armies can add things like Knights and multi fliers it would be hard to handle that.

Truthfully, I think higher points will actually be a bit easier than people are expecting.

Sure, flyers are going to be a bit difficult for them with no native AA aside from Flakk Missiles on Rocket Launcher teams(25 points all told in a Neophyte Squad with BS3)...but it's not like they do not have access to fortifications(Aegis or Bastion with Icarus weapons--or even a Firestorm Redoubt) when fielding an Allied CAD.

Knights could be hard; I'm not too sure about that though. The number of demo charges this army can potentially throw around is scary, as is the fact that you can potentially get units of Aberrants with Hammers and Picks coming on 3" and charging into a Knight that same turn with nothing beyond Interceptor being able to protect the Knight is going to give pause to Knights I feel.

From Twitter via Darren Latham some conversion work done by Mike Anderson.
The potential of these kits really is awesome.

My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

Chikout wrote:
From Twitter via Darren Latham some conversion work done by Mike Anderson.
The potential of these kits really is awesome.

This is exactly what I planned doing (to represent naval armsmen.) Glad to see that the look works well.

I think this army will shine at all points levels. Almost every unit it can bring can do at least some damage to every unit in the game. And it's also all super-mobile (but not in the usual way). There is no obvious best target for your opponent, which will be tough to fight against psychologically. On the other hand, the GS cult player's target priority will generally be clear (anti-infantry units get hit first). So, it's powerful in a low points game. In a high-points game it gets more powerful as the game goes on, as it takes out more and more anti-infantry units.

 Crimson wrote:

Chikout wrote:
From Twitter via Darren Latham some conversion work done by Mike Anderson.
The potential of these kits really is awesome.

This is exactly what I planned doing (to represent naval armsmen.) Glad to see that the look works well.

I may actually have to do exactly this if we start playing RT again. The redshirts deserve some models too.

StupidYellow wrote:
My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

Why?

Air isn't the "end all be all".

 Kanluwen wrote:

StupidYellow wrote:
My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

Why?

Air isn't the "end all be all".

I meant anti air sorry.

Vorian wrote:
Why not change it to a random face on each dice?!

You must roll a die and what that die is, that will be come the icon side then roll the dice that turn. Why not, a bit more random would be great. Now we can have random on the dice facing. One turn it can be a 5, next turn it can be a 2.

My limited edition codex and dice are scheduled to arrive October 11.

Not sure how it's possible to take that long to get it to PA, but its a bit of a downer in an otherwise amazing release for me. I can wait...I've waited this long. But October 11? Man.

 Crimson wrote:

Chikout wrote:
From Twitter via Darren Latham some conversion work done by Mike Anderson.
The potential of these kits really is awesome.

This is exactly what I planned doing (to represent naval armsmen.) Glad to see that the look works well.

Damn, and I thought I was going to be original

The look is great! It has a "Nausicaa of the valley of the wind" wibe to it, methinks

 Crimson wrote:

Chikout wrote:
From Twitter via Darren Latham some conversion work done by Mike Anderson.
The potential of these kits really is awesome.

This is exactly what I planned doing (to represent naval armsmen.) Glad to see that the look works well.

Great minds think alike! When I saw they were doing the Neophytes in multipart with shotguns, my dream of a Naval Kill team was finally realized (as someone who has pretty mediocre greenstuff skills at least).

I think you could also use those guys as a pretty awesome basis for a Necromunda gang (plus they have a Heavy Stubber, Flamer, Webber, and Grenade Launcher in the box with them from the go!).

The models in this release (I haven't seen the book yet) really knocked it out of the park.

 Kanluwen wrote:

StupidYellow wrote:
My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

Why?

Air isn't the "end all be all".

Last I checked, Kan, being able to breathe comes as a highly-rated option.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

StupidYellow wrote:
My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

Why?

Air isn't the "end all be all".

Last I checked, Kan, being able to breathe comes as a highly-rated option.

Hey, I'm Battle Brothers with gills instead of lungs Dysartes!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yes, due to the sheer number of models you can dump in I think it would. 1k in particular

Yup. In the medium-term at least I'll be using these guys for Strike Force rather than full-fat 40K, and even just estimating with the rough numbers from this thread(my 'dex doesn't arrive until tomorrow) it's actually quite hilarious how many models you could pack in to what is supposed to be a small skirmish system

I'm really looking forward to using cult models in killteam. Sadly I'll need to wait a few weeks before I can pick up any of the new models, although they look quite stunning. I did pick up a codex to give the rules a read through and I have two sets of Overkill that I need to address before taking on any new models.

I picked up a cube of the dice and while they are ok I'm a bit disappointed as they are rather dull compared to the pictures on the website. The centers are clear with the outside edges being dark purple which makes the numbers a bit tricky to read at a quick glance. The pre-order advertisment had me pretty excited as the way they were lit and displayed it gave them a pearlescent appearance and they looked so much better than the actual product. I would have vastly preferred a solid die in dark purple with the center inserts being a pink pearlescent material as it'd really shine, while having the GSC logo on them is a nice touch they basically look very dark and a bit bland.


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This Genestealer Cult Battlescribe catalogue is pretty much functionally complete. Just need to add some weapon profiles and rule references once I'm done assembling the 40,000 new models that arrived this weekend.

I keep getting "the file is corrupted" for your catalogue @xttz. Dunno if it's an issue with the download or something on my end though.

An assembly note: the shotgun arms fit almost perfectly onto the DW:OK Neophyte bodies (just find the right hand spacing), and head sockets are the same. Bless our new CAD overlords!

Also, if you trim the arms off the DW:OK Acolytes you can build them with the extra weapons from the standalone Acolytes box. Again, they fit on beautifully just with that tiny bit more modification needed. Head sockets are the same.

Caederes wrote:
I keep getting "the file is corrupted" for your catalogue @xttz. Dunno if it's an issue with the download or something on my end though.

A few people I've linked it to elsewhere have given feedback, so I don't think it's any issue with the file. To use it all I do is copy to BattleScribe\data\Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition and start a new roster as normal. I'm using version 1.15.07 if that helps.

StupidYellow wrote:
My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

It shouldn't be much of a concern to take Flyrants + Mucolids. They are probably the easiest ally to insert into an army.

this week (from grot orderly)

OK, so it seems that GW is going with the one boring, one amazing week for releases. This week is the boring one.

New on offer will be eleven Texture Paints in bigger, 24ml pots, +10%.
Aparently there is some kind of dispenser to be got if you buy the whole set plus additional 5% discount.

From other news we got Genestealer Cults: Leman Russ and Neophyte Hybrid Armoured Claw.
First is just a regular Leman Russ with an upgrade sprue, the other is ten Shock Troopers with Chimera and again, an upgrade sprue with heads, guns and such.

Citadel Texture Paint - 4,50 GBP / 6 EUR
Genestealer Cults: Leman Russ - 32 GBP / 42 EUR
Neophyte Hybrid Armoured Claw - 35 GBP / 45 EUR

Unfortunately there's nothing more... well... except for the fact that there is another mat coming from GW. This time it's again a 4x4 mat but with Khorne theme to it.

 N.I.B. wrote:

StupidYellow wrote:
My concern is the lack of any air without allies.

It shouldn't be much of a concern to take Flyrants + Mucolids. They are probably the easiest ally to insert into an army.

see id rather not do that honestly. maybe i could convert some zoat like things though?

 xttz wrote:

Caederes wrote:
I keep getting "the file is corrupted" for your catalogue @xttz. Dunno if it's an issue with the download or something on my end though.

A few people I've linked it to elsewhere have given feedback, so I don't think it's any issue with the file. To use it all I do is copy to BattleScribe\data\Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition and start a new roster as normal. I'm using version 1.15.07 if that helps.

Firstly, thanks for putting this together.

It appears I am getting the same error when trying to open. Battkescribe says it is corrupt and deletes it. On attempting to open it with an editor it doesn't look quite right, perhaps your file has been overwritten.

Just wanted to pass on the feedback, thanks

Edit - should mention that I am using 1.15.09

Edit 2 - Looks like it was an issue with my phone browser. Just downloaded the file from my PC and it works fine on both the desktop version and android version. Looks great, thanks for the work on this!

 Lockark wrote:
Most people want seeing the symbol to be a good thing, not a bad thing. Thus people like it on the 6.

As an example to reinforce this point and highlight the potential issues of having the symbol on the 1, I present the Penny Arcade guys, Scott Kurtz and Wil Wheaton playing DnD (warning, NSFW language):

https://youtu.be/nmkJwolEqJY?t=18m30s

As a little bit of background, Jerry Holkins (Tycho from Penny Arcade) had by this point rolled more 1s during the game than I have ever seen in a single game from all players combined!

And the accompanying image:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
As an example to reinforce this point and highlight the potential issues of having the symbol on the 1, I present the Penny Arcade guys, Scott Kurtz and Wil Wheaton playing DnD (warning, NSFW language):

https://youtu.be/nmkJwolEqJY?t=18m30s

Lol, kek, and trollface.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
An assembly note: the shotgun arms fit almost perfectly onto the DW:OK Neophyte bodies (just find the right hand spacing), and head sockets are the same. Bless our new CAD overlords!

Also, if you trim the arms off the DW:OK Acolytes you can build them with the extra weapons from the standalone Acolytes box. Again, they fit on beautifully just with that tiny bit more modification needed. Head sockets are the same.

After a little more building, you can build all the Acolyte optional builds on trimmed DW:OK torsos EXCEPT for the Rock Drill, as that uses a special torso and backpack. Oh, and probably the leader. Still, it's going to jazz up my two DW:OK boxes no end... 29 Acolytes in total, so I can build a bunch of small Acolyte squads with heavy CCWs or demo charges, and a 6-strong Metamorph Squad.

Fun fact: The Curse of Wheaton is real. One of the guys I play D&D with met Will at Dragon Con a few years ago and asked him to "bless his dice". Dude now rolls more "1"s than anyone I've ever met.

Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

there are no rumors at the moment that I know off

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

The current expectation is that full codex updates are on hold until 8E is released next year (the 30th anniversary of 40k). In the meantime we get mini-codexes (like GSC & Deathwatch) and small updates like Angel's Blade that don't have a massive impact. Hopefully Tyranids will be high on the list to be updated after 8E as they are quite popular in terms of sales.

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

0 rumors, honestly I would think GK's would be soon with a duel army box set, something like another CSM or Daemons 1/2 for some formations and supplement Dex for GK's.

I personally dont see Nids being rumor till Jan-March.

Can someone then answer what the differences are in the enhanced, gamers, and the other version are?

 xttz wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

The current expectation is that full codex updates are on hold until 8E is released next year (the 30th anniversary of 40k). In the meantime we get mini-codexes (like GSC & Deathwatch) and small updates like Angel's Blade that don't have a massive impact. Hopefully Tyranids will be high on the list to be updated after 8E as they are quite popular in terms of sales.

Yes, 8E trends to simplify the game , Tyranids won't get update until 8E

Tyranid607 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

The current expectation is that full codex updates are on hold until 8E is released next year (the 30th anniversary of 40k). In the meantime we get mini-codexes (like GSC & Deathwatch) and small updates like Angel's Blade that don't have a massive impact. Hopefully Tyranids will be high on the list to be updated after 8E as they are quite popular in terms of sales.

Yes, 8E trends to simplify the game , Tyranids won't get update until 8E

I hope GK, DE, Nids wont be the 1st codex's in 8th ed, the 1st couple are always the worst.

 nintura wrote:
Can someone then answer what the differences are in the enhanced, gamers, and the other version are?

I think enhanced is the Apple Version with interaktive links and 360 degree views. gamers esitions are just rules, No fluff

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

The current expectation is that full codex updates are on hold until 8E is released next year (the 30th anniversary of 40k). In the meantime we get mini-codexes (like GSC & Deathwatch) and small updates like Angel's Blade that don't have a massive impact. Hopefully Tyranids will be high on the list to be updated after 8E as they are quite popular in terms of sales.

Yes, 8E trends to simplify the game , Tyranids won't get update until 8E

I hope GK, DE, Nids wont be the 1st codex's in 8th ed, the 1st couple are always the worst.

2nd and 3rd editions beg to differ. Pretty sure SM's werent junk in 4th and 5th either and in 5th wolves were def not wimps. And remind me but weren't tau in 6th ed pretty good?

Selective memory. Got to love it.

tneva82 wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Quick question and didn't want to start another thread for a yes/no answer. Are there any rumors about a new dex for nids? I'm wanting to start a new army, and a small force (3rd time doing nids..) and would like to plan out if I need to buy this current dex or not.

The current expectation is that full codex updates are on hold until 8E is released next year (the 30th anniversary of 40k). In the meantime we get mini-codexes (like GSC & Deathwatch) and small updates like Angel's Blade that don't have a massive impact. Hopefully Tyranids will be high on the list to be updated after 8E as they are quite popular in terms of sales.

Yes, 8E trends to simplify the game , Tyranids won't get update until 8E

I hope GK, DE, Nids wont be the 1st codex's in 8th ed, the 1st couple are always the worst.

2nd and 3rd editions beg to differ. Pretty sure SM's werent junk in 4th and 5th either and in 5th wolves were def not wimps. And remind me but weren't tau in 6th ed pretty good?

Selective memory. Got to love it.

CSM, DA were terrible, and looking at 5th GK being almost last was amazing. But tau wasnt 1st or 2nd, 7ed came out May? and Tau wasnt till Oct a year later.

That was the 2nd print tau codex with damocles updates.

On topic. Those dice look really disappointing

from Maciej Żylewicz on facebook, (just because I like the updating of our glorious old school patriarch and it's good to see a modern take on him)‎

That is a thing of beauty and ANNOYING AS HELL as that was my plan for my sparesies, hahaha. Top work that guy.

Someone else in the GSC Facebook group did one as well:

Ohhhhhh pretty.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
That is a thing of beauty and ANNOYING AS HELL as that was my plan for my sparesies, hahaha.

Yeah, mine two (I have all the parts I need since two or three month but... ). Well, it's a motivation to improve and refine my plans (and to start already!).

Hmm. I wonder what a throne would look like mounted on Kataphron tracks...

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone else in the GSC Facebook group did one as well:

That's pretty. I hope GW gives our cult something like this.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. I wonder what a throne would look like mounted on Kataphron tracks...

Tim H. had a Genestealer Ark in his codex (sadly not in the edited version of the Citadel Journal) - so why not use a whole tank?

 xttz wrote:
This Genestealer Cult Battlescribe catalogue is pretty much functionally complete. Just need to add some weapon profiles and rule references once I'm done assembling the 40,000 new models that arrived this weekend.

Superb - thanks for this - one observation, the formations detachment doesn't allow for adding Lords of the Cult ... Lord of the Cult: Just a Patriarch, Magus, Primus or Cult Iconward - it'd be great to have these added - the rest of my upcoming force built beautifully, but these are missing for my Patriach and Magus

Well, my limited edition codex and dice arrival date has been upped to Thursday. Better than next Tuesday, at least.

Still haven't gotten my stuff yet either, reminds me of how impatient am.

So it's been a while... what kind of armaments can a sentinel have? Would these make a good proxy even though they have 2 power fist arms?

https://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/m5-a2-coyote-light-walker-platoon

Those Throned patriarchs are beautiful, but more importantly, there is a GSC Faceook group ?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. I wonder what a throne would look like mounted on Kataphron tracks...

Tim H. had a Genestealer Ark in his codex (sadly not in the edited version of the Citadel Journal) - so why not use a whole tank?

Funny you mention that; - the empty space at the back of a Goliath is just screaming for a throne. May have to do some test fits once it releases.

I got a kick out of the fact that the "example player" named for how to build a GSC army was Tim.

Joyboozer wrote:
GWs fans like their miniatures to be expensive, their products to be Limitied edition, their novels to be as short as possible and their rules to have no balance, is it really a suprise they continue to cater to that audience by putting the symbol on the one?

lol, it's pretty much the only logical explanation that I can think of to explain the symbol on the 1 rationale.

 adamsouza wrote:
Those Throned patriarchs are beautiful, but more importantly, there is a GSC Faceook group ?

There is; https://www.facebook.com/groups/312790535752622/

 Kanluwen wrote:
I got a kick out of the fact that the "example player" named for how to build a GSC army was Tim.

Oh that is awesome.

Congrats Tim!

I joined the FB group. There's a thread with people saying your Genestealers can't be 'Purestrains' unless they're on 32mm bases.

Doubt I'll be in that group long.

The "Neophyte Hybrids" box feels like with some head swaps and removal of the cult icons is a necromunda gang box. I also find it interesting their are no sculpted Genestealer Cult Icons on the hull of the Goliath. Feels like they left it open as a "technical" type unit I could see other armies getting. (Chaos Cultists, Poorly Equipped IG, ect)

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I joined the FB group. There's a thread with people saying your Genestealers can't be 'Purestrains' unless they're on 32mm bases.

Doubt I'll be in that group long.

I can kinda see the logic they used to come to that conclusion. Since the ones in Overkill were on 32mm. But considering the current genestealers are designed to be built with 25mm slota bases in mind, I don't seen them repacking the current genestealers anytime soon.

I still got all my Space Hulk Genestealers. Kinda Tempted to actully get them painted. They would look good on the 32mm's to boot anyway.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I joined the FB group. There's a thread with people saying your Genestealers can't be 'Purestrains' unless they're on 32mm bases.

Doubt I'll be in that group long.

Seems pretty clear cut to me...

This box set contains eight multi-part plastic Genestealers, and includes a host of additional components allowing you to represent a number of weapon-symbiotes or biomorph enhancements. Models supplied with 25mm round bases.

Models and Base Sizes
The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren’t supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance.

Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone else in the GSC Facebook group did one as well:

Hey- that's my one! I'm the someone else

River Zora wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone else in the GSC Facebook group did one as well:

Hey- that's my one! I'm the someone else

excellent work there

River Zora wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone else in the GSC Facebook group did one as well:

Hey- that's my one! I'm the someone else

I wasn't sure weather to put your name or not, so I thought I'd keep it private in case you didn't want it anywhere. Had I known your forum name I'd have credited you

 ImAGeek wrote:

River Zora wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone else in the GSC Facebook group did one as well:

Hey- that's my one! I'm the someone else

I wasn't sure weather to put your name or not, so I thought I'd keep it private in case you didn't want it anywhere. Had I known your forum name I'd have credited you

I only became a member last week to follow Genestealer stuff - lurked for years before that

I'm River Zora on pretty much every online forum there is that I am part of. Zeldainformer/universe/dungeon, Tyranid Hive, Nintendo ID, Twitter etc. etc. if ever you see the handle it's probably me! And if it's not, I'll have to buy that person's user name off them...

One thing I definitely noticed in this codex vs other 7th ed dexes: Art instead of just model pictures when it comes to the unit fluff entries! I'll have to check my other recent codexes when I get home, but I thought they'd removed that, and if they have, it's great to have it back!

I just wish they'd move away from the "artists must only depict exactly what is in the box, no creativity allowed" policy. I know, I know, knockoff model makers whatever, but c'mon. Would it really kill you to depict an Aberrant in the art in some way that's NOT exactly the one hammer-carrying dude with half a robe over his leg that you get in DWO? Show one in the scary robes you talk about in the fluff, maybe one with crazy spawn tentacles on his back or something.

Eccentric miniatures does some fantastic base expanders compatible with 25mm GW bases.

Can anyone tell me if the genestealer tendril feeder head can fit on a hormagaunt body? I asked awhile ago but got no answer in the modeling page, and I'd like to get to ordering some models. Thanks for any replies. And if anyone happens to have a picture, that would just be absolutely amazing.

Has anyone else heard that there's likely to be another dice run?

I know when I was in my local GW picking up mine that they said this had been the most oversubscribed set yet and pretty much every store was screaming at head office to make more

but whether head office will listen I'm not sure

Vorian wrote:
Has anyone else heard that there's likely to be another dice run?

I do not know. I do know that my local GW did not even get a single set of dice in to put on the shelves.

Maybe I missed it in the last few pages or something, but is there any chance they will release the Ghosar Quintus Broodkin (all the GSC models from DW:OK) as a boxed set kind of like how they did Kill Team Cassius? I was hoping to pick up a set at some point just to have all the models from the game (I'm regretting splitting the box with a friend nowadays).

the_scotsman wrote:
One thing I definitely noticed in this codex vs other 7th ed dexes: Art instead of just model pictures when it comes to the unit fluff entries! I'll have to check my other recent codexes when I get home, but I thought they'd removed that, and if they have, it's great to have it back!

The Chaos Daemons codex also have art instead of models for the fluff entries. Like it and looking forward to GSC codex.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Maybe I missed it in the last few pages or something, but is there any chance they will release the Ghosar Quintus Broodkin (all the GSC models from DW:OK) as a boxed set kind of like how they did Kill Team Cassius? I was hoping to pick up a set at some point just to have all the models from the game (I'm regretting splitting the box with a friend nowadays).

It's entirely possible - the same HQ units sprue from Overkill was already released as the Broodcoven box. I can plausibly see GW releasing the bulk infantry sprues as part of a 'Start Collecting' or limited-run formation box later on. However I wouldn't expect it anytime soon, as they will want to maximise sales of the new Neophyte / Acolyte boxes first. Perhaps around xmas.

 CoteazRox wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
One thing I definitely noticed in this codex vs other 7th ed dexes: Art instead of just model pictures when it comes to the unit fluff entries! I'll have to check my other recent codexes when I get home, but I thought they'd removed that, and if they have, it's great to have it back!

The Chaos Daemons codex also have art instead of models for the fluff entries. Like it and looking forward to GSC codex.

This is awesome news. I hated that they changed to photos.

KDK also has art for the fluff entries, models for the rules entries.

Anyone try the genestealer formation yet?

They always do bundle boxes of whatever is new and cool at xmas time.. so I'm betting there will be a GSC bundle of some sort. I'm starting with a Deathwatch Overkill box for now, and then I'm gonna see what else they have for the holidays when it's xmas bonus time

It'll probably take me 3 months to build and paint the deathwatch minis anyway.

Sorry, that was badly phased.

I have been told that another issuing of the dice is "very likely" by the store that couldn't fulfill my pre-order of them - having been told so by GW

I saw a set of Cult dice on eBay that had been bid up to $76.

Methinks that the seller will never collect on it, but I certainly wish I'd ordered another set...

 gorgon wrote:
I saw a set of Cult dice on eBay that had been bid up to $76.

Methinks that the seller will never collect on it, but I certainly wish I'd ordered another set...

Geeze, kind of glad I added a second set at the last moment when checking out.

Yeah I ordered 2 also... but still waiting for my stuff to show up. I'm impatient, want my toys now.

 CoteazRox wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
One thing I definitely noticed in this codex vs other 7th ed dexes: Art instead of just model pictures when it comes to the unit fluff entries! I'll have to check my other recent codexes when I get home, but I thought they'd removed that, and if they have, it's great to have it back!

The Chaos Daemons codex also have art instead of models for the fluff entries. Like it and looking forward to GSC codex.

CD I think is old enough that it would have that. The first codex where they switched to photos I think was 7th ed orks?

 Necros wrote:
Yeah I ordered 2 also... but still waiting for my stuff to show up. I'm impatient, want my toys now.

Well, my delivery got moved up again to tomorrow. If it happens, that's not too bad after all.

Here's the dice link in case anyone wants to bid $77.

link

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

The Overkill Box has pure strain Genestealers on 32mm.

Like I said. I get the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but it's not great logic. lol TBH if I start the army I would prob put them on 32's just because the genestealer arms over hang off the 25mm bases so bad. But that dosen't mean the 25mm bases are wrong.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Maybe I missed it in the last few pages or something, but is there any chance they will release the Ghosar Quintus Broodkin (all the GSC models from DW:OK) as a boxed set kind of like how they did Kill Team Cassius? I was hoping to pick up a set at some point just to have all the models from the game (I'm regretting splitting the box with a friend nowadays).

Unlikely.
The box contains the character sprue (Patriarch, Primus, Magus, two Familiars) which has been made available separately, and two copies of a second sprue with all the other models on it.
That sprue is not designed to be "folded" into a unit-sized box and you need two frames to fill a "monster" box. Additionally each sprue contains one Genestealer, two Aberrants, nine Acolytes, and eight Neophytes; that's one really weird mix for a box, considering it makes components for four separate units and not enough to make MSU for two of them.

It could possibly work if you got two of the frames plus a character-frame (perhaps the Iconward?) in a "getting started" size box. Though it wouldn't represent awesome value unless it was cheaper than the other getting started sets.

Even if GW orders another print of the Dice, they were made in China. It will be weeks, to months, before they can be produced and shipped.

Also, there are multiple sets going for nearly $40 + $15 shipping right now.

It would be awesome if GW made the dice they actually advertised, with symbols on the 6 and skulls on the 1.

 gorgon wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Yeah I ordered 2 also... but still waiting for my stuff to show up. I'm impatient, want my toys now.

Well, my delivery got moved up again to tomorrow. If it happens, that's not too bad after all.

Here's the dice link in case anyone wants to bid $77.

link

According to the FedEx tracker my order won't show up for 10 days!

Ragnar69 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Can someone then answer what the differences are in the enhanced, gamers, and the other version are?

I think enhanced is the Apple Version with interaktive links and 360 degree views. gamers esitions are just rules, No fluff

The big thing about the interactive edition is when you see a rule, you tap/click on it and the rule is explained. For example blah blah weapon is assault and shred, then it goes on to explain what assault and shred do without turning pages.

 streamdragon wrote:
According to the FedEx tracker my order won't show up for 10 days!

Yeah, I seriously lost my cool with GW mail order when I pre-ordered the same product from GW and then a 3rd Party retailer and the 3rd party product arrived the same week as the release, but had to wait another week for the GW package to arrive.

Released on Saturday
Picked up on Monday
5-10 business days to arrive.

Feth GW's Mailorder. If I'm going to wait that long I might as well get a 20% discount.

I remember back when they shipped it to you so you would have it on release day.

Now they wait for release day before they even ship it.

*goes back to waiting impatiently for gribbly goodness*

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I remember back when they shipped it to you so you would have it on release day.

Now they wait for release day before they even ship it.

That is exactly why I was heated. I didn't realize that the policy had changed.

I was quite irrate to receive an email the Monday after it was released, telling me that Fedex had received earlier that morning and it would be more than a week until the expected delivery date.

FFS they get it to the retailers on Thursdays and Fridays before release, but the loyal custumer who buys it direct can sit and spin.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I remember back when they shipped it to you so you would have it on release day.

Now they wait for release day before they even ship it.

That is exactly why I was heated. I didn't realize that the policy had changed.

I was quite irrate to receive an email the Monday after it was released, telling me that Fedex had received earlier that morning and it would be more than a week until the expected delivery date.

FFS they get it to the retailers on Thursdays and Fridays before release, but the loyal custumer who buys it direct can sit and spin.

This isn't a new policy. They've been doing this since late 6th. I've been told its so that every pre order is filled - they've had issues with selling more than they make and then having to refund customers. Not sure as to the authenticity of that.

 adamsouza wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
According to the FedEx tracker my order won't show up for 10 days!

Yeah, I seriously lost my cool with GW mail order when I pre-ordered the same product from GW and then a 3rd Party retailer and the 3rd party product arrived the same week as the release, but had to wait another week for the GW package to arrive.

Released on Saturday
Picked up on Monday
5-10 business days to arrive.

Feth GW's Mailorder. If I'm going to wait that long I might as well get a 20% discount.

I would be more concerned if I played regularly (or at all, really). Also, the FedEx tracker keeps moving the day up. Now it is in a city an hour away from me, so I suspect it will not take the now 8 days they are estimating! Now I just have to wait for package number 2 (dice and kill team box) to see if I can convince a friend to start back up!

 Lockark wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

The Overkill Box has pure strain Genestealers on 32mm.

Like I said. I get the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but it's not great logic. lol TBH if I start the army I would prob put them on 32's just because the genestealer arms over hang off the 25mm bases so bad. But that dosen't mean the 25mm bases are wrong.

But GW has purestrain stealers on sale with 25mm.

Only way they could arque is that the OK models are ONLY purestrain stealer models. Ie you cannot use the ones on GW store with 32mm bases as one and OK models cannot be used as normal stealers.

Good luck for them trying to convince anybody OK stealers and GW store stealers are totally different models. They are going to embarass themselves with the claim.

I'm sorry I seem to have started the pointless basing debate here by commenting about it. Because it is totally pointless.

tneva82 wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

The Overkill Box has pure strain Genestealers on 32mm.

Like I said. I get the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but it's not great logic. lol TBH if I start the army I would prob put them on 32's just because the genestealer arms over hang off the 25mm bases so bad. But that dosen't mean the 25mm bases are wrong.

But GW has purestrain stealers on sale with 25mm.

Only way they could arque is that the OK models are ONLY purestrain stealer models. Ie you cannot use the ones on GW store with 32mm bases as one and OK models cannot be used as normal stealers.

Good luck for them trying to convince anybody OK stealers and GW store stealers are totally different models. They are going to embarass themselves with the claim.

the genestealer models are now added under the genestealer cult army under the purestrain genestealers name, so even that argument is busted now

Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

Yup it is stupid crazy to make, especially a full 2000 point or more army.

Indeed .
That's why I won't get more than a 1000 points, probably... With nids allies most likely.

Dwk seems to help, but you can only care to sell so many deathwatch marines.
I hope "start collecting" is on its way..

It's not cheap but it's no crazier than a marine battle company and can be massaged cheaper than it initially looks.

I'm also going to be using Nid allies at first too.. starting with the Deathwatch overkill minis and then I probably won't get anything else besides a truck or 2 until they start doing the discounted bundles later on.

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

 EnTyme wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
It's not cheap but it's no crazier than a marine battle company and can be massaged cheaper than it initially looks.

Especially if someone goes in on Overkill once or twice.

Hmm yeah. I had an idea to do like a 1k point army or something; I am wanting to try pushing smaller size games, because I feel they can be a lot more interesting than big throwdowns. Hard part is going to be getting people to agree... seems it's not that terrible at low points, just ramps up quickly.

I think its priced right for the models and sprues you get, its just that per point(which is also about right) its very expensive.

Luckily I think that kit bashing is going to be pretty easy and is encouraged.

Yeah, I can see how it'd be very expensive to start from scratch. Thanks to my ample collection of painted models, right now I'm not planning to buy any of the new kits. My purchases are focused on bits to convert my existing stuff to fit the codex. Although I'll pick up a Rockgrinder down the road.

My first and current project is converting some OK Acolytes to be my Metamorphs and Iconward. It's a cheap and easy job. After that I'll be retrofitting my existing hybrids with new gear and such. I'd like to enhance my trucks and Purestrains too, and I have those improvements planned out already.

There's very little in my collection that I can't make work with this codex. And most of the things that don't can still be fielded as AM allies. Thank you GW studio team!

EnTyme wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

Please explain. I thought we don't summon Genestealer Cults, they are replacements. So you would already have the minis, you are not getting more, just replacing what was already killed. Unless you plan on making a huge Cult in the first place. Maybe I am misinturpiting what you are saying by "summoning".

To me these are not extra minis, just minis being replaced what is already killed.

When do yall think Battlescribe will be updated for it? I know the codex is "there" but it doesnt have any of the weapon values, or rules, or basically anything lol

Battlescribe is already updated? The detachment and everything else is there!

Davor wrote:

EnTyme wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

Please explain. I thought we don't summon Genestealer Cults, they are replacements. So you would already have the minis, you are not getting more, just replacing what was already killed. Unless you plan on making a huge Cult in the first place. Maybe I am misinturpiting what you are saying by "summoning".

To me these are not extra minis, just minis being replaced what is already killed.

There is a power that lets you summon new units

Yep- Broodmind power "Telepathic Summons", with a choice between WC2 and WC3 allowing you to summon things like Acolytes, Neophytes, Metamorphs, Aberrants and Purestrains. However, unlike normal Conjurations, they don't Deep Strike in, but instead arrive using Cult Ambush.

They can also arrive with any wargear options allowed on their datasheet, but no extra models or transports. So you can bring in 10 Acolytes w/ 4 Heavy Rock Saws, or 20 Neophytes w/ 2 Webbers and 2 Heavy Seismic Cannons, etc.

Oh, and since it is Broodmind, no extra Perils chance for our summoning, unlike non-Daemons summoning Daemons.

Angry wrote:
Battlescribe is already updated? The detachment and everything else is there!

It is, but whenever i do Formation Detachment, from GSC codex, if i make an army, the numbers for the guns are all blank, as well as the rules for all the stuff (It just says the rule name, and the rest is blank)... and who has what. >.>

It was also missing the Lords of the Cult formation last time I checked.

@Davor

I'm talking about using the Broodmind summoning power as others have mentioned.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Yep- Broodmind power "Telepathic Summons", with a choice between WC2 and WC3 allowing you to summon things like Acolytes, Neophytes, Metamorphs, Aberrants and Purestrains. However, unlike normal Conjurations, they don't Deep Strike in, but instead arrive using Cult Ambush.

They can also arrive with any wargear options allowed on their datasheet, but no extra models or transports. So you can bring in 10 Acolytes w/ 4 Heavy Rock Saws, or 20 Neophytes w/ 2 Webbers and 2 Heavy Seismic Cannons, etc.

Oh, and since it is Broodmind, no extra Perils chance for our summoning, unlike non-Daemons summoning Daemons.

If I'm not mistaken (still learning the codex), Acolytes are limited to 1 heavy weapon per 5 models, so you'd only be able to summon 2x Heavy Rock Saws (and I'd actually prefer the Heavy Rock Cutter).

 EnTyme wrote:
If I'm not mistaken (still learning the codex), Acolytes are limited to 1 heavy weapon per 5 models, so you'd only be able to summon 2x Heavy Rock Saws (and I'd actually prefer the Heavy Rock Cutter).

For Acolytes it's 2 per 5 models, with a max of 8. Oddly though, Neophytes don't get any additional heavy ranged weapons for increasing their squad size.

Honestly if you want to curb cost just buy the crap out of DWOK. You get 12 acolytes and 16 neophytes, normally thats $96 for the acolytes and &64 for the neophytes, thats $160 not counting the characters or aberrants, counting the three characters and thats another $70, so $230 again not counting the genestealers of aberrants. You can buy the box for $140 with shipping. You can then sell kill team cassius for 40 bucks easy. So $230+ value for $100 after you sell off the marines. All you need are a couple boxes to get all the gear to flesh out the units.

You can also convert some of the special weapons and such. The Ork range has some good saw bits you can use for rock saws.

Is it the neophytes box that comes with all the extra bits, or is that the acolytes? or both? Or is it a whole separate upgrade sprue for mixing with cadians?

I have 2 boxes of Skitarii that I never really did anything with, was thinking of mixing in the stealer guns and heads with them.. but I'd need like 20 guns & heads altogether

Neither contain the upgrade sprue, it is only the Cadian shock troop box, armoured claw and the Leman Russ boxes that have it. You do get plenty of spare heads and weapons with the Neophytes though.

 Necros wrote:
Is it the neophytes box that comes with all the extra bits, or is that the acolytes? or both? Or is it a whole separate upgrade sprue for mixing with cadians?

I have 2 boxes of Skitarii that I never really did anything with, was thinking of mixing in the stealer guns and heads with them.. but I'd need like 20 guns & heads altogether

You can view both sprues online at GW's website. Both kits come with a ton of heads and arms and someone earlier in this thread posted on the ease of which the extra bits fit onto DWOK models.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Honestly if you want to curb cost just buy the crap out of DWOK. You get 12 acolytes and 16 neophytes, normally thats $96 for the acolytes and &64 for the neophytes, thats $160 not counting the characters or aberrants, counting the three characters and thats another $70, so $230 again not counting the genestealers of aberrants. You can buy the box for $140 with shipping. You can then sell kill team cassius for 40 bucks easy. So $230+ value for $100 after you sell off the marines. All you need are a couple boxes to get all the gear to flesh out the units.

Overkill boxes interspersed with acolytes and neophytes from the poseable kits would work as well; you get more heavy/special weapons in the kit than you can use in a single unit so if you make them up with all specials etc you can disperse them amongst the generic mono-pose dudes to get the most bang for your buck without converting anything.

hmm.. I'll see what I have left over after I'm done building the DWOK models.. maybe get an extra box of neophytes.

I always end up with hordespam armies, probably why I never finish painting them.

Does that upgrade sprue come with the truck model? Didn't see the pic on the product page for it, but it also doesn't seem to show the rockgrinder dozer blade sprue either unless I'm missing it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Honestly if you want to curb cost just buy the crap out of DWOK. You get 12 acolytes and 16 neophytes, normally thats $96 for the acolytes and &64 for the neophytes, thats $160 not counting the characters or aberrants, counting the three characters and thats another $70, so $230 again not counting the genestealers of aberrants. You can buy the box for $140 with shipping. You can then sell kill team cassius for 40 bucks easy. So $230+ value for $100 after you sell off the marines. All you need are a couple boxes to get all the gear to flesh out the units.

Overkill boxes interspersed with acolytes and neophytes from the poseable kits would work as well; you get more heavy/special weapons in the kit than you can use in a single unit so if you make them up with all specials etc you can disperse them amongst the generic mono-pose dudes to get the most bang for your buck without converting anything.

Exactly, that's what my last sentence was alluding to. You can even use spare heads on the DWOK models.

Is the upgrade sprue the same for ones which come in the troop box as well as those which come in the Leman Russ box? I guess the soonest we will know is the 8th when new orders come available?

Funfact for all you "english" people.

Here in Germany the Codex has some...interesting differences.

For example: In our codex the neophytes have to choose between heavy weapon team or mining weapons or special weapons.

Not heavy weapon team or mining weapons + up to 2 special weapons.

EnTyme wrote:@Davor

I'm talking about using the Broodmind summoning power as others have mentioned.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Yep- Broodmind power "Telepathic Summons", with a choice between WC2 and WC3 allowing you to summon things like Acolytes, Neophytes, Metamorphs, Aberrants and Purestrains. However, unlike normal Conjurations, they don't Deep Strike in, but instead arrive using Cult Ambush.

They can also arrive with any wargear options allowed on their datasheet, but no extra models or transports. So you can bring in 10 Acolytes w/ 4 Heavy Rock Saws, or 20 Neophytes w/ 2 Webbers and 2 Heavy Seismic Cannons, etc.

Oh, and since it is Broodmind, no extra Perils chance for our summoning, unlike non-Daemons summoning Daemons.

If I'm not mistaken (still learning the codex), Acolytes are limited to 1 heavy weapon per 5 models, so you'd only be able to summon 2x Heavy Rock Saws (and I'd actually prefer the Heavy Rock Cutter).

Thank you very much. I thought we only had one rule that made units come back. I thought it was one and the same. Didn't read the codex entirely. Having a hard time digesting what is in the codex right now. Thank you for the clarification.

I saw a few people on ths thread speculating about kitbashing the acolytes with the bodies of ork boyz - I had a few bodies kicking around from Assault on Black Reach, so I tried it out.

There are enough arms (15 pairs), and enough heads (21) to make about 10 acolytes and 5 metamorphs, if you use one box of acolytes and one box of boyz. This saves you 32 pounds sterling, even if you are buying multipart orks instead of the snap-fits I used.

One thing to be weary of - whilst the big hybrid heads look fine on ork torsos (which also have that hunched look), the arms of the hybrids are super spindley compared to the boyz torsos; a bit of clever painting may be in order to show where the hybrid's vest ends and their armpits begin. SImilarly, you won't get quite the right leg shape or the cool mining suit on ten of your hybrids, but c'est la vie and all that.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Is the upgrade sprue the same for ones which come in the troop box as well as those which come in the Leman Russ box? I guess the soonest we will know is the 8th when new orders come available?

Seeing as how the sprue has vehicle icons and vehicle commander heads...and there are 16 heads total, I'd wager that the Leman Russ with Neophyte squad comes with just the one upgrade sprue.

Interesting that they are not selling a sentinel kit with the upgrade sprue...so you HAVE to buy one or more of the other kits to 'cultify' it with the upgrades...

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

Or even worse, 10 Cadians + Cadian HWT + GSC upgrade sprue + Chimera.

Finally got my dice sets and le codex. Having bought most le books, this is one of the nicer le books. The dice are pretty cool too. I heard complaints about the darkness, translucency, and coloring. They look great in various lighting. They are more or less lightly tinted with darker swirls of purple.

Very happy with this release so far

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

I highly doubt it will be a Goliath. The Goliath is going to be a hot ticket item. Start Collectings tend towards selling dud items.

Hence why I said Acolytes rather than Neophytes. Neophytes are looking to be a hot ticket item.

Or even worse, 10 Cadians + Cadian HWT + GSC upgrade sprue + Chimera.

Nah.

They didn't even do that with the Armored Claw set, which is 10 Cadians, GSC upgrade frame and a Chimera. HWT sold separately.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

I highly doubt it will be a Goliath. The Goliath is going to be a hot ticket item. Start Collectings tend towards selling dud items.

Hence why I said Acolytes rather than Neophytes. Neophytes are looking to be a hot ticket item.

With this being a new line it's Start Collecting isn't going to be as prone to "dud" units. Most of the Start Collecting sets have a focal point model but beside the Goliath or the IG borrowed unit that army doesn't really have anything like that.

In general I think it would be better if GW simply repackaged the Overkill cultist as the getting started set.

455_PWR wrote:Finally got my dice sets and le codex. Having bought most le books, this is one of the nicer le books. The dice are pretty cool too. I heard complaints about the darkness, translucency, and coloring. They look great in various lighting. They are more or less lightly tinted with darker swirls of purple.

Very happy with this release so far

I do like the dice. Wish I bought more. Really wanted the Collector's Edition, but just couldn't justify the price. So much for so little for me. I am curious, what is your number on the codex?

 adamsouza wrote:
Even if GW orders another print of the Dice, they were made in China. It will be weeks, to months, before they can be produced and shipped.

Also, there are multiple sets going for nearly $40 + $15 shipping right now.

It would be awesome if GW made the dice they actually advertised, with symbols on the 6 and skulls on the 1.

Yup that would be awesome sauce with a side of epic win. I just hope they release all the chapter dice they used for the DW dice set...I would love me a set of IF dice.....if the Fist was on the six and not the 1 sadly.....

My GSC stuff arrived today! Apparently I can't read and the CE came with the data cards, so I didn't need to order them separately. Whoops!

I got book 799. No matter when I order I seem to get books 400-700. My lowest number books are my dark angels and successors marines book.

How do you know what number you got?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

I highly doubt it will be a Goliath. The Goliath is going to be a hot ticket item. Start Collectings tend towards selling dud items.

Hence why I said Acolytes rather than Neophytes. Neophytes are looking to be a hot ticket item.

Really? I got the sense the formations seemed to be pushing the more expensive Acolytes and Metamorphs.

 Leth wrote:
I think its priced right for the models and sprues you get, its just that per point(which is also about right) its very expensive.

Luckily I think that kit bashing is going to be pretty easy and is encouraged.

Not that I think they would have been cheaper otherwise, but they've surely expected this to result in increased Overkill sales from here on out. As a future GSC player, I can tell you that's where I'll start.

Stuff came today. Love that new toy smell!

I just built my new box of Metamorphs. Love this release! I am ecstatic!

Arkengate wrote:
How do you know what number you got?

Inside front cover of the Army Book. I'm 986/1000

I was going to buy the codex and build these with some Steel Legion IG, but I did not know they are a summoning army. I do not wish to invest that much cash for a massive tide of units -- what a pity. Would have at least enjoyed them for Kill Team.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I was going to buy the codex and build these with some Steel Legion IG, but I did not know they are a summoning army. I do not wish to invest that much cash for a massive tide of units -- what a pity. Would have at least enjoyed them for Kill Team.

They're only a summoning army if you roll on that table. You could always take the army and roll on, say, Biomancy.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

I highly doubt it will be a Goliath. The Goliath is going to be a hot ticket item. Start Collectings tend towards selling dud items.

Hence why I said Acolytes rather than Neophytes. Neophytes are looking to be a hot ticket item.

Really? I got the sense the formations seemed to be pushing the more expensive Acolytes and Metamorphs.

IconWard
Cadians
Chimera
Upgrade Sprue

I think given the rrp on the Chimera/cadian acolyte set that the above may be a bit limited for a start collecting set, in £ the rrp on those items is only £50 so too low for such a box. I reckon:

Acolytes
Neophytes
Iconward
Sentinel

So an individual rrp of £85 odd and offering some savings.

 jifel wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I was going to buy the codex and build these with some Steel Legion IG, but I did not know they are a summoning army. I do not wish to invest that much cash for a massive tide of units -- what a pity. Would have at least enjoyed them for Kill Team.

They're only a summoning army if you roll on that table. You could always take the army and roll on, say, Biomancy.

Good to know, much appreciated info. That encourages me to buy the codex -- thank you..

Still waiting for my pre order to arrive.
Usually it's here quickly.

Would have been better off going to my local and buying it on the day of release.
Would have been easier anyway.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Really? I got the sense the formations seemed to be pushing the more expensive Acolytes and Metamorphs.

From a "crunch" perspective, I think you're right. The formation rules definitely benefit the Acolytes and Metamorphs more, but from a modeling/hobby/collection perspective, a lot of people are looking at the Neophytes and thinking they work for things other than GSC. I've seen a lot of people in this thread and elsewhere talking about using them a Chaos cultists, mining-themed IG, and other conversion/kit bashing ideas.

I got mine yesterday. #784. The dice probably didn't quite turn out how GW wanted...they don't let quite enough light in and end up kinda dark. But I still like 'em.

There isn't much that could rain on my parade with this release. The fact that we got a codex was awesome for me...GW knocking most of this release out of the park just made it all kinds of amazing.

Shipping updates sure make for great rumors...

There really are no more rumors to be had. Discussion of the releases seems very much on-topic, though.

Really, just what is your beef here?

 Kirasu wrote:
Shipping updates sure make for great rumors...

What rumours are you expecting to be reading here? It has been released, what is there left to remain rumour?

The ltd codex is *really* nice.
Love the Necromunda vibes.
#0436/1000

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I was going to buy the codex and build these with some Steel Legion IG, but I did not know they are a summoning army. I do not wish to invest that much cash for a massive tide of units -- what a pity. Would have at least enjoyed them for Kill Team.

They're only a summoning army if you roll on that table. You could always take the army and roll on, say, Biomancy.

Good to know, much appreciated info. That encourages me to buy the codex -- thank you..

And even if you get the summoning power by accident you can choose Genestealers...

streamdragon wrote:My GSC stuff arrived today! Apparently I can't read and the CE came with the data cards, so I didn't need to order them separately. Whoops!

At least you can return your extra data cards with no questions asked.

gorgon wrote:There really are no more rumors to be had. Discussion of the releases seems very much on-topic, though.

Really, just what is your beef here?

Someone, some where has to always complain about something. It's the thing to do on the internet. He could have always used the little yellow triangle instead as a mod will tell him. Funny thing is, he is just as off topic that he is complaining about.

So to make it back to "rumours" is that it for the Genestealer Cult then? Nothing for week 3?

I am a little disappointed they didn't get some kind of flyer.

I was hoping for like... an off word dump truck kind of thing. Something designed to grab cargo and shuttle it from location to location or into low orbit that the GSC have turned into a troop transport/bomber by dumping crates of explosives out the hatch.

I wanted a space winnebago, complete with actual working sound system which plays Bon Jovi.

And of course it would be able to jam enemy radar.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
And of course it would be able to jam enemy radar.

Well naturally. No skyfire against this baby.

you better bring your jam then

From today's GW blog: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/blog/blog.jsp

A mighty all-purpose vehicle that transports Genestealer Cults directly into the heart of battle, the Goliath – in both its Rockgrinder and Truck configurations – is already a firm favourite here in the web dungeon. It’s a lovely model when assembled, but we reckon the potential for conversion makes it stand out.

Ant decided to add a trailer to his. Plenty more room for hiding sinister Hybrid Acolytes!



Ant used two Goliaths and a Munitorum Armoured Container. With a little bit of cutting and Green Stuff to fill any ugly gaps the Goliath Heavy Rig was born.

That's awesome....

Order finally arrived today.
Missing both box's of acolytes!

Everything else was fine.
Called them up but due to stock, they think I'll get them in 2-3 weeks.
Slightly pissed off.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
That's awesome....

That's expensive.

The should trim the sprue connection bits off that flat piece.

Nifty, but pricey.

Only downside to the new monthly White Dwarf is under the old weekly system, we'd already know what was going up for pre-order next Saturday (the 15th). Any rumors right now? Heresy game?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
That's awesome....

That's expensive.

Just collecting Genestealer Cult is expensive. But when you want something, the worth is what is important, not the price.

I don't see any Aberrants up for sale, are they in the Codex?

Yeah, they are. It appears that the DW:OK will be the only way to get the models for now.

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, they are. It appears that the DW:OK will be the only way to get the models for now.

Me and one other guy locally are converting Savage Orcs into extras. Buff topless guys of about the right height, just need head and arm swaps.

terry wrote:
you better bring your jam then

Whilst that would be fluffy, I don't think my opponent would be too pleased when I start dripping jam onto their models

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, they are. It appears that the DW:OK will be the only way to get the models for now.

Possibly why the base unit size is 4 strong. They may not be planning an individual box in the near future.

Could probably splice some Ogryn/Bullgryn kits with Tyranid Warriors to get Abberants.

Really digging that towable trailer conversion. I'd love to see someone doing resin stuff make a cheaper version that would fit

On that note, can anyone recommend a place where I can get big beefy wheels for an IG Taurox truck (we can use them as allies, right?)? Thought I might want to mix one of those in too, but I hate the tank treads it comes with... remember seeing resin wheel kits before somewhere...

Also thought about going with the APC from Dreamforge games, but that's more expensive.

 Jackal wrote:
Order finally arrived today.
Missing both box's of acolytes!

Everything else was fine.
Called them up but due to stock, they think I'll get them in 2-3 weeks.
Slightly pissed off.

I heard a lot of online retailers were having stock issues because of the way GW was doing allocation. Both the close-by FLGS had plenty.


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 streamdragon wrote:
Could probably splice some Ogryn/Bullgryn kits with Tyranid Warriors to get Abberants.

Ogryns are way bigger than Aberrants.

That's the same Space Marine in both pictures. I just swapped his head at some point.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Ogryns are way bigger than Aberrants.

That's the same Space Marine in both pictures. I just swapped his head at some point.

haha or not! I don't own DW:OK yet so I had no real idea how big (or I guess small) the Abberants are!

Really interested in this, but leery of buying it because I don't think I really want to get into the miniatures game. Is it really worth getting it if all I'm interested in is the fluff and art?

Long ago, a friend of mine left his Space Hulk, Deathwing, and Genestealer sets with me. At the time, I wasn't interested in Space Hulk at all. However, the fluff sucked me in. I especially liked the fiction bits in Deathwing. They really sucked me in, and made me a fan of the concept of Space Marines against Genestealers (and Tyranids by extension).

GabrielV wrote:
Really interested in this, but leery of buying it because I don't think I really want to get into the miniatures game. Is it really worth getting it if all I'm interested in is the fluff and art?

Long ago, a friend of mine left his Space Hulk, Deathwing, and Genestealer sets with me. At the time, I wasn't interested in Space Hulk at all. However, the fluff sucked me in. I especially liked the fiction bits in Deathwing. They really sucked me in, and made me a fan of the concept of Space Marines against Genestealers (and Tyranids by extension).

The price may be a little steep for just fluff and artwork, though the artwork of the codex is absolutely beautiful. There is also a lot of really good fluff to read through. The question is, do you want to pay $50 for it? It was worth that to me, but you may want to wait for the soft cover version. Your choice, really.

 Necros wrote:

On that note, can anyone recommend a place where I can get big beefy wheels for an IG Taurox truck (we can use them as allies, right?)? Thought I might want to mix one of those in too, but I hate the tank treads it comes with... remember seeing resin wheel kits before somewhere...

Victoria Miniatures does a good resin conversion kit http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/apc-wheel-and-suspension-kit

as does Zinge Industries http://zinge.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=704 (they also do a variety of wheels if you want to convert your own suspension)

I've also seen this one from M-a-M which is a 6 wheel version http://www.modelsandminis.com/6x6_wheel_conversion_kit_compatible_with_GW_taurox/p2965327_14032046.aspx which is a bit cheaper but I think suffers from using too much of the GW suspension components

 streamdragon wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Ogryns are way bigger than Aberrants.

That's the same Space Marine in both pictures. I just swapped his head at some point.

haha or not! I don't own DW:OK yet so I had no real idea how big (or I guess small) the Abberants are!

I think Bloodreavers might be a good base for Aberrant conversions, they have similar proportions and bare chests with raggedy legs and two handed weapon poses. Theyre also quite cheap for what you're getting. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Khorne-Bloodreavers

It would be interesting to see what's in the start collecting box?

After looking at these new Cult models, I am impressed by the fact that the Genestealers are an equal opportunities cult.

You have white cultists, you have African-American cultists. I've yet to see that with the Chaos Cults!

Aberrants could be made from Ogryns - no matter how big the Ogryn - because Ogryns would get infected too, and mining settlements often have Ogryns around for heavy labour.

 Gen.Steiner wrote:
Aberrants could be made from Ogryns - no matter how big the Ogryn - because Ogryns would get infected too, and mining settlements often have Ogryns around for heavy labour.

Oh good idea. Would give me a good reason to buy something different from Tyrnaid looking all the time. I liked the mini but never played IG/AM. Now I can get minis I wanted from other armies now and do some converting.

Now how to convert some of my Tau Fire Warriors into the Cult.

Any rumour about starter kit for GSC?
Page number please (if it had been post before..)

Solidcrash wrote:
Any rumour about starter kit for GSC?
Page number please (if it had been post before..)

There hasn't been one, but Start Collecting kits tend to be a decent amount of time after the initial release.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
After looking at these new Cult models, I am impressed by the fact that the Genestealers are an equal opportunities cult.

You have white cultists, you have African-American cultists. I've yet to see that with the Chaos Cults!

Easily done I suppose. Though I'm sure there will be some "whites only club" cultist types in 40k as well.

GSC Start Collecting! box guess: Sentinel or Goliath truck with some neophytes, 5 acolytes, and Magos w/familiars or a Primus on his own.

I hope it include Goliath... and something neat formation for it.

Usually they contain a troop choice a leader and something with a bit of flavour. They usually would cost £80+ RRP but are priced around £50, with this in mind I would say some neophytes a Goliath and the primus and magus models which would theoretically add up to around £85. Personally I would like to see neophytes, abberants a Goliath and a primus, this should come in around the same in theory.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
you have African-American cultists.

"African-American" seems odd terminology in the context of 40k

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
you have African-American cultists.

"African-American" seems odd terminology in the context of 40k

What's the proper term for people who call Nocturne their homeworld ?

Wait, wait, I believe the new SJW approved term is "melanated". Which ironically applies to everyone other than Albinos.

Albinos, who would probably been executed as mutants in the 40K universe.

Hyper-Melanted ?

I would be very suprised if we didn't see the aberants shoe up very soon. I would have thought after the problems with Deffkoptas that GW would not keep models exclusive to limited run boxes.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
After looking at these new Cult models, I am impressed by the fact that the Genestealers are an equal opportunities cult.

You have white cultists, you have African-American cultists. I've yet to see that with the Chaos Cults!

Easily done I suppose. Though I'm sure there will be some "whites only club" cultist types in 40k as well.

GSC Start Collecting! box guess: Sentinel or Goliath truck with some neophytes, 5 acolytes, and Magos w/familiars or a Primus on his own.

Won't get a Magos or Primus on their own, as they share a sprue. You'd only get them all, or none. Unless they bring out different models of them before the start collecting box but if they were gonna do that I think they would have with the release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Any rumour about starter kit for GSC?
Page number please (if it had been post before..)

There hasn't been one, but Start Collecting kits tend to be a decent amount of time after the initial release.

I thought the Tau one was pretty swift after that release?

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Any rumour about starter kit for GSC?
Page number please (if it had been post before..)

There hasn't been one, but Start Collecting kits tend to be a decent amount of time after the initial release.

I thought the Tau one was pretty swift after that release?

Tau one was part of a big push with lots of kits. The one-off releases haven't seen their SCs for a bit.

Yup, still waiting on a Harlequin start collecting box.

Kind of tempted to kitbash some vehicles.

Something that would end up looking like a tractor or heavy towing vehicle for large pieces of machinery.

Found this on spikey bits. Not really new or rumours but it certainly got the ideas flowing.

http://spikeybits.com/2015/09/drives-like-a-tank-taurox-conversion.html

Will the rock grinders chassis take a turox box? anyone with both can I get a side by side?

 streamdragon wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Ogryns are way bigger than Aberrants.

That's the same Space Marine in both pictures. I just swapped his head at some point.

haha or not! I don't own DW:OK yet so I had no real idea how big (or I guess small) the Abberants are!

as someone said, savage orcs are the way to go for aberrant conversion


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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
After looking at these new Cult models, I am impressed by the fact that the Genestealers are an equal opportunities cult.

You have white cultists, you have African-American cultists. I've yet to see that with the Chaos Cults!

Easily done I suppose. Though I'm sure there will be some "whites only club" cultist types in 40k as well.

GSC Start Collecting! box guess: Sentinel or Goliath truck with some neophytes, 5 acolytes, and Magos w/familiars or a Primus on his own.

if they release a sc box for gc, the HQ will be the banner bearer. The other HQ are not on a distinct sprue

 streetsamurai wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Ogryns are way bigger than Aberrants.

That's the same Space Marine in both pictures. I just swapped his head at some point.

haha or not! I don't own DW:OK yet so I had no real idea how big (or I guess small) the Abberants are!

as someone said, savage orcs are the way to go for aberrant conversion


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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
After looking at these new Cult models, I am impressed by the fact that the Genestealers are an equal opportunities cult.

You have white cultists, you have African-American cultists. I've yet to see that with the Chaos Cults!

Easily done I suppose. Though I'm sure there will be some "whites only club" cultist types in 40k as well.

GSC Start Collecting! box guess: Sentinel or Goliath truck with some neophytes, 5 acolytes, and Magos w/familiars or a Primus on his own.

if they release a sc box for gc, the HQ will be the banner bearer. The other HQ are not on a distinct sprue

Or they could just include the entire partiarch/magus/primus sprue. Everyone would already own one from DW:O and they're 1 per Insurrection, so I could definitely see them doing this.

That crawler conversion is a really cool idea! Cheers for posting that .

adamsouza wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
you have African-American cultists.

"African-American" seems odd terminology in the context of 40k

What's the proper term for people who call Nocturne their homeworld ?

Er, Nocturnian?

Nocturnean would seem logical.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of tempted to kitbash some vehicles.

Something that would end up looking like a tractor or heavy towing vehicle for large pieces of machinery.

Found this on spikey bits. Not really new or rumours but it certainly got the ideas flowing.

http://spikeybits.com/2015/09/drives-like-a-tank-taurox-conversion.html

Spoiler:

That is a cool kitbash, like the trailer conversion too, some great ideas

Question: Is there a way other than the IG re-packs to get the Hybrid upgrade sprue? Does the Goliath come with it?

I emailed customer service the other day and they said no, the extra sprue is only in the repacks.

I'm hoping they decide to sell that separately soon

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
you have African-American cultists.

"African-American" seems odd terminology in the context of 40k

Heck with that, it's odd seeing it coming from someone who is posting from the UK, if the flag next to his name is accurate.

That's a bit of a shame... unless their strategy is to get rid of these particular IG kits as much as possible due to their age, in prep of replacing them with something down the line... or simply to purge some stock.

Ah well, I suppose a Leman Russ is not he worst thing to be force to buy...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
That's a bit of a shame... unless their strategy is to get rid of these particular IG kits as much as possible due to their age, in prep of replacing them with something down the line... or simply to purge some stock.

Well, the upgrade sprue was specifically designed for the Cadians, the heads are not interchangeable with the normal Neophyte ones out of the box. So it makes some sense to sell it with the kits it was intended for.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Ogryns are way bigger than Aberrants.

That's the same Space Marine in both pictures. I just swapped his head at some point.

haha or not! I don't own DW:OK yet so I had no real idea how big (or I guess small) the Abberants are!

as someone said, savage orcs are the way to go for aberrant conversion


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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
After looking at these new Cult models, I am impressed by the fact that the Genestealers are an equal opportunities cult.

You have white cultists, you have African-American cultists. I've yet to see that with the Chaos Cults!

Easily done I suppose. Though I'm sure there will be some "whites only club" cultist types in 40k as well.

GSC Start Collecting! box guess: Sentinel or Goliath truck with some neophytes, 5 acolytes, and Magos w/familiars or a Primus on his own.

if they release a sc box for gc, the HQ will be the banner bearer. The other HQ are not on a distinct sprue

Or they could just include the entire partiarch/magus/primus sprue. Everyone would already own one from DW:O and they're 1 per Insurrection, so I could definitely see them doing this.

I' sure they won't since it would put way too much of the value of the box toward the HQ. Even the best sc boxes give you no more that 150 canadian worth of stock. These 3 hq are 75 canadian, so the only thing you could get is them with a hybrid box (125$) or a goliath (145$). No way will they release such a gakky box

My guess for a Start Collecting! Genestealer Cult Set would be:
1 Iconward ($25 US)
1 Neophyte Hybrid Squad ($45 US)
1 Sentinel ($30 US) or 1 Chimera ($ 38 or so)
(leaning towards the sentinel)

If you got a handful of these, you'd be able to use the handful of HQ guys you'd get all at once unlike most of the other Start Collecting! box sets...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Question: Is there a way other than the IG re-packs to get the Hybrid upgrade sprue? Does the Goliath come with it?

The main alternative now is that the Neophyte kit comes with a bunch of spare heads, nearly enough for 2 squads. The only way I know to get the vehicle-sized cult icons is to chop up the cult icon upgrades from the Acolyte & Neophyte boxes.

I'm still waiting on my Codex to arrive.

The Familiars add extra attacks, but can't be attacked, so they are basically decorative wargear.

Is there any reason not to just glue them to the Patriarch's base if you intend on using them all the time ?

 adamsouza wrote:
I'm still waiting on my Codex to arrive.

The Familiars add extra attacks, but can't be attacked, so they are basically decorative wargear.

Is there any reason not to just glue them to the Patriarch's base if you intend on using them all the time ?

Can't be attacked as in targeted or just outright? Could they still generate hits on the Patriarch due to being under a template, for example?

They are like tokens - purely representative of wargear. Definitely could glue them directly to the base if you always intend to use them.

Like the armorium cherub or whatever in the new Devastator kit.

Excellent, that's what I thought.

Magnetized mine.

Another thought: anyone just planning on putting bigger banners on plastic banner holding Acolytes, instead of buying Iconwards ?

There doesn't seem to be anything all that distinctive about the Iconward model.

 adamsouza wrote:
Excellent, that's what I thought.

Magnetized mine.

Another thought: anyone just planning on putting bigger banners on plastic banner holding Acolytes, instead of buying Iconwards ?

There doesn't seem to be anything all that distinctive about the Iconward model.

I was thinking of putting one of the spare banners from the cadian command squad on one of my plastic hybrids to make an iconward - there's even a picture of a very similar banner for the hivecult on page 21 of the codex.