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The $175 option is looking very tempting, but it seems it would be better to get three other people together and go for the $500 one. Save each person $50 that way

I can't wait to see that Orc chariot. $50,000 is coming up soon.


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LunaHound wrote:What is it about GW that people are willing to take risk of $26 for 1 finecast figure,
and yet have such trepidation from 6 never seeing werewolves for same price?

Can't say that I know since I've never had a Mantic mini I had to return three times because he was missing half his head.

LunaHound wrote:What is it about GW that people are willing to take risk of $26 for 1 finecast figure,
and yet have such trepidation from 6 never seeing werewolves for same price?

I imagine it's twofold:

1) You get the finecast model immediately, or at least mailed to you immediately, while the Worgen are slated for a non-specific part of "2013"
2) You get to see the finecast model before buying it, so you know what it will look like ("failcast" air bubble/miscast potential notwithstanding), while the Worgen have only a concept sketch for 1 model. And we've seen how Mantic (and others') final models often don't quite match the concepts in quality.

On the other hand the same can happen to you when there´s no shop near you to check the findecast blisters.

Upped my backing to Captain + werewolves.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:On the other hand the same can happen to you when there´s no shop near you to check the findecast blisters.

Sure, but he was asking why would people be willing to go with one and not the other. Finecast aside, GW has an overall much better reputation for toy soldier quality/aesthetics than Mantic. I'm down for some werewolves and ogres (later this month) and probably some extra werewolves and ogres that come with even more extra free werewolves and ogres besides. I just hope they're nice models in the end and similar to the concept artwork....

scipio.au wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:On the other hand the same can happen to you when there´s no shop near you to check the findecast blisters.

Sure, but he was asking why would people be willing to go with one and not the other. Finecast aside, GW has an overall much better reputation for toy soldier quality/aesthetics than Mantic. I'm down for some werewolves and ogres (later this month) and probably some extra werewolves and ogres that come with even more extra free werewolves and ogres besides. I just hope they're nice models in the end and similar to the concept artwork....

Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it.

I hope a green is available BEFORE the Kickstarter run is over, because given Mantic's hit or miss record to date, I don't want to buy anything 'sight unseen'!

I am totally in for the Ogres and the werewolves.

But...
Squig, do you know if there is concept art (even the one from the video) for the Ogres to put in this. This looks great, but is REALLY hard to see outside of the video (and would be a big help)

Also, for the $110... is it possible to turn 3 of the werewolves into 3 Ogres?

I think they have definitely been getting better of late. I'm struggling to think of a release, since the elves in fact, that has had much criticism levelled at it. Even most of the criticism aimed at the Ver-meen was based on the concept, or the name, rather than the sculpts themselves (which are actually really nice).

So, for something like a 'Werewolf', at least I hope so but I would think it will be pretty difficult to get wrong. And, by the looks of things they will probably be about half the price of the recent Forge World release.

Pacific wrote:I think they have definitely been getting better of late. I'm struggling to think of a release, since the elves in fact, that has had much criticism levelled at it. Even most of the criticism aimed at the Ver-meen was based on the concept, or the name, rather than the sculpts themselves (which are actually really nice).

So, for something like a 'Werewolf', at least I hope so but I would think it will be pretty difficult to get wrong. And, by the looks of things they will probably be about half the price of the recent Forge World release.

Good points - and damn it, you've just about convinced me to pledge $26 so I can get 6 werewolves, sight unseen!

Sculpts for the Werewolves aren't done yet because they'll use the funding from Kickstarter to start working on them. Remy's stuff is normally pretty good at matching up to the concept. Look at the Corporation for instance.

Also, Kickstarter is for creative projects and not funding companies. Doesn't matter whether you're miss miggin's pie shop or Microsoft, as long as it's a creative project that meets Kickstarter's guidelines then you are using it appropriately. This whole small business thing is just a misconception.

Similarly, Mantic is small though, and with the funds going straight into Werewolves, Ogres and hopefully chariots and Trolls, the product on the market is going to get a whole lot bigger!

Black Nexus wrote:Sculpts for the Werewolves aren't done yet because they'll use the funding from Kickstarter to start working on them. Remy's stuff is normally pretty good at matching up to the concept. Look at the Corporation for instance.

Also, Kickstarter is for creative projects and not funding companies. Doesn't matter whether you're miss miggin's pie shop or Microsoft, as long as it's a creative project that meets Kickstarter's guidelines then you are using it appropriately. This whole small business thing is just a misconception.

Similarly, Mantic is small though, and with the funds going straight into Werewolves, Ogres and hopefully chariots and Trolls, the product on the market is going to get a whole lot bigger!

Indeed, the project is funding the werewolves, among other things.


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50k is getting very close now

50K is history my friend!

So are substantial updates in this thread, apparently!

Can anyone tell me why one might purchase the elite bundle at 225?

I just compared it to a twilight kin 61 mini mega army that costs 175 and it seems to have about the same amount of stuff.

Get Soldier, the Undead Vampiress from the cover art of the book and "Wip the Half-cast" - an Orc Wizard Special Character, and choose from one of our 1000 point Elite premium armies:

Goblins – Goblin Spitters (80), Goblin Rabble (60), Goblin Sharpsticks (40), War-Trombones (3), Mawbeast Pack (10), Goblin Sneek(1), Goblin and Mawbeast (1)

Abyssal Dwarfs – Abyssal Dwarf Half-breeds (10), Angkor Mortar (1), Slave Orcs (10), Decimators (20), Blacks Souls (20), Overmaster (1), G’rog Mortar (1).

Twilight Kin – Spearmen (20), Crossbowmen (20), Shadows (20), Bolt Thrower (2), High Priestess of the Abyss (1), Assassin (1)..

VS.

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Twilight-Kin/Product/Twilight-Kin-Mega-Army-61-Miniatures.html

For instance.

Because you also get the hardback rulebook, pdf rulebook, and two special characters?

Cyporiean wrote:Because you also get the hardback rulebook, pdf rulebook, and two special characters?

You get a full 56 page rulebook with the normal bundle and it's about 50 dollars less.

1 x FREE 56 page full colour 2nd Edition Rulebook
8 x FREE Army Lists including 3 new armies, 5 special characters and over 75 new units
1 x Metal Twilight Kin Sorceress
20 x Plastic/Metal Twilight Kin Spearmen
30 x Plastic/Metal Twilight Kin Crossbowmen
10 x Plastic/Metal Twilight Kin Scouts
1 x Plastic/Metal Twilight Bolt Thrower with Crew
Mantic Guide
Loads of Mantic Points

That rulebook is the old 2nd ed rulebook, its a little staple bound booklet.

The new one is the Hardback Fullsize rulebook.

Its not a fantastic deal, but its not awful either.

Perhaps I'll wait till more Dark elves are released then. I love some of what they've done, but it really feels like the least value of all the buys on the kickstarter and the site.

What a wonderful little project though, quite heartwarming really.

@Lucre - It might be 50 dollars less, but you also get a hardback rulebook and dice which are worth 50 dollars seperately. Also, you get a signed map, signed rulebook, your name in the book, free orc chariot, digital copy of the hardback etc. as well as any other freebies that get added as this progresses.

It's harder for them to offer a large discount on metal hybrids because of the price of the raw materials, metal is expensive.

Whereas with plastic and restic, they have much more freedom to offer bulk discounts.

The $225 pledge level was added only because people specifically asked for it, and it has 12 backers, so there is clearly a demand for it from a few people.

Edit: Don't forget, the Special extras has elite army sets available if you want a smaller force of twilight kin:

Add One Elite Army Set - $95 Choose from:

Goblin Army Set – 1 Sneak, 5 Mawbeast Pack, 40 Spitters, 20 Sharpsticks, 20 Rabble, 1 War Trombone.

Abyssal Dwarf Army Set – 10 Black Souls, 10 Decimators, 10 Slave Orcs, 10 Halfbreeds, 1 Mortar with crew

Twilight Kin Army Set – 1 Sorceress, 20 Spearmen, 10 Crossbowmen, 2 Bolt Throwers with crew

Anyway, $50k reached! Enjoy your free Orc Chariots, everyone!

Also, Mantic is now asking current backers if they want Trolls or Mummies as the next stretch goal.

Can we get both, please?

Mummies? feth yes!

LunaHound wrote:What is it about GW that people are willing to take risk of $26 for 1 finecast figure,
and yet have such trepidation from 6 never seeing werewolves for same price?

I'm not willing to do either.

Never bought any Finecast and never plan to.

I'm also very hesitant about buying Mantic stuff sight unseen due to so many of their sculpts being sub-par in my opinion. IF they look anything like the artwork, I'm all for their wolves for my Fantasy armies.

Platuan4th wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What is it about GW that people are willing to take risk of $26 for 1 finecast figure,
and yet have such trepidation from 6 never seeing werewolves for same price?

I'm not willing to do either.

Never bought any Finecast and never plan to.

I'm also very hesitant about buying Mantic stuff sight unseen due to so many of their sculpts being sub-par in my opinion. IF they look anything like the artwork, I'm all for their wolves for my Fantasy armies.

Same here!

I'd certainly NEVER by anything Finecast via mailorder, and I'm really hesitant about buying anything without seeing something other than a drawing.

Not really sure what is so hard to understand about that either!

I must have been really lucky with my one finecast purchase. Got the mangler squigs, no issues really at all and I also didn't get the issuer where it's collapsing under it's own weight (yet) like some folks talked about.

Okay, new $65k stretch goal up.

Don't ask me what Mantic means by "all of the new hero models that get sculpted", because I don't have the slightest clue either and would really like to know.

My other half has shown an interest in the Elves that Mantic do, just wondering are the models any good?

If you like the look of the sculpts, then yes, they are. The range is mostly plastic with full sprues of 10 models with lots of different options and extras on the sprues, and the detail on the models is extremely fine and sharp.

Technically speaking, there is nothing wrong with the quality of the models or their price, it all comes down to whether or not you like the look of them.

I personally think they look quite nice as an army, here's some examples:

I quite like the Mantic elves but then again I prefer that lithe, athletic aesthetic rather than the bulkier GW ones. I think elves should be wispy, fey individuals.