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sourclams wrote:Question: Can the Vanquisher fire normal LRBT rounds?

All Indications say no. The Vanquisher Cannon is a separate weapon than the Battle Cannon now.

The Angry Commissar wrote:is lumbering behemoth confirmed?

Yup. You can drive and fire all guns including the main cannon, but I think there was something about rolling a D6 how far you can go.

Ozymandias wrote:You can get nearly two Griffons for one Colossus. So do 2 Griffons = 1 Colossus? It's probably pretty close.

Assuming 7 under the blast marker, the Griffons will kill 4 Marines (3.89). The single Colossus, also hitting 7 models, will kill 6 Marines (5.83). I say bring both...

I will! As soon as they have a kit for the colossus.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:is lumbering behemoth confirmed?

Yup. You can drive and fire all guns including the main cannon, but I think there was something about rolling a D6 how far you can go.

I believe the rule is that the turret weapon does not count against how many weapons you can normally fire. So you can remain stationary and fire everything, or move and fire turret+ 1 offensive weapon + all defensive. And max speed is 6" + d6" and no firing.



I think the Bassie is going to be passed over in favor of the Colossus. There is really not much reason (in a normal 40k game) to take a bassie, when for 15pts more you get a weapon that has a shorter *minimum* range, is still ap3 and ignore cover.

Colossus and Griffion are where it is at in regards to Arty. imo.

Scottywan82 wrote:I will! As soon as they have a kit for the colossus.

They do, it's called "my Basilisk counts as a Colossus"

I'm waiting for the IG Codex that was awarded at Adepticon to make it on to the internets somewhere if it hasn't already. I haven't been able to find it.

eBay? Bugger that. I'm trying to find it 'elsewhere'. So far the search has not gone well...

I actually considered cutting the length if a bassie down and calling it a colossus. We'll see.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:You can get nearly two Griffons for one Colossus. So do 2 Griffons = 1 Colossus? It's probably pretty close.

Assuming 7 under the blast marker, the Griffons will kill 4 Marines (3.89). The single Colossus, also hitting 7 models, will kill 6 Marines (5.83). I say bring both...

Heh. The trade off for me is that the Griffon has a shorter min range and there are two of them so more survivable. The only cover that will save from a Griffon is area cover/bunkers (being a barrage and all) so I'm not sure if a single Colossus is better than the 2 Griffons.

But you're right, to be safe better take both...

Because somebody asked: the Griff and Colossus, being barrage-only, can not move and fire.
The Colossus's minimum range does nicely coincide with the Demolisher's maximum range, to bring back an old Basilisk tactic. Yes, Mr Space Marine, please hurry into range of my Demolisher cannon. Bringing siege mortars and a Demolisher in the same army even fits an army theme, the siege regiment.

Has GW announced kits for the Griffon, Medusa, or Colossus? The Griffon would just be a re-release but there haven't ever been a Medusa or Colossus model.

I think one can expect GWT to (eventually) release a combi-kit with a multi-part barrel that makes Griffon / Medusa / Basilisk / Colossus depending on which barrel elements you include and stack together.

This would be using the same technology and approach as seen with the Baneblade / Hellhound, and more recently with the 6-in-1 Shadowsword / Stormlord / ...

But the idea that GW would re-release such an old (expensive to produce and ill-fitting to build) metal-and-plastic kit as the old Griffon is very unlikely.

Personally, I hope GW includes gun crew in the next version. That would be awesome.

There is gun crew included. You get a sprue for the guardsmen that come with the HW box.

So, only 2 guys?

I was hoping for a full crew of 4 - spotter, loader, gunner, radioman...

That would require making an new sprue for the basilisk, or including another half of a $13 kit, which would surely raise prices. Honestly I'm happy that they include a crew of 2, and if you really want the full 4 it's not like IG players don't have an extra 2 guys sitting around

The Guard accessory sprue also comes with a complete Guardsmen. He's a little static, but then again he's meant to stand at the back of a Basilisk.

A side note: how do we distinguish H. Vets from guardsmen? Are there bald screaming heads for them?

i paint the helmets a different color for my vets.

ph34r wrote:But the idea that GW would re-release such an old (expensive to produce and ill-fitting to build) metal-and-plastic kit as the old Griffon is very unlikely.

I'd be more inclined to think that they would not make an entirely new kit when they have the molds for an old one, especially since they have already designed so many other new models. I don't think I've been a confirmation on a new Russ setup with all/most of the new configurations included either.

*Edited so that it makes sense*

middle wrote:focusedfire: Say you take 5 squads in your platoon and you merge them ( One big 50 or a 30 and a 20 makes no difference ). Their transports remain as single dedicated transports. Nothing in the merging squads rule for free squadrons. Nice idea though.

Now this brings up other questions.

If the squads are merged then loaded into a squadron or their individual transports, "What happens when one of the chimera/valks gets destroyed?" Is the squad destroyed with the transport if in a squadron? Do all of the squads have to disembark at that point? For that matter. Do merged units have to maintain 2" coherency or are they still seperate but have to attack the same target?

I'm sorry if I'm being dense but it seems that there may be a lot of gray area in the merging rule. I just want to know the strengths and weaknesses.

I'd say that they couldn't take/use transports if you take them in a blob platoon.

I thought blob was done at deployment like combat squads?

Yet, your write your army up with them having transports before you ever get to deployment.

The common sense thing would be that units with transports can't merge but I haven't heard any rule about this, as of yet. It's why I'm asking.

BGB page 67.

"The only limitation of a dedicated transport is that when it is deployed it can only carry the unit it was selected with (plus any independent characters)."

Note, it does NOT say it *must* carry the unit it was selected with.

So when you deploy a mechanized platoon, if you merge the infantry squads, they could still be deployed as a giant squad but obviously not inside a transport. But the option to merge squads that a mechanized is there.

focusedfire wrote:Yet, your write your army up with them having transports before you ever get to deployment.

Which is why I said "couldn't take/use transports" - in this case an either/or - they ether can't take them or can't use them. One of the two.

You're right though, because the blobbing effect happens when you deploy, it's probably not a case of not being able to take transports. I suspect you just won't be able to use them on any squads that have blobbed.

But it doesn't say that such merged squads can't deploy in their dedicated transports.

When squads are loaded in their dedicated transports they deploy as a single unit. Now if three such squads are merged it would create a squadron. Or can three merged squads be loaded in a squadron of three valks?

This could be an interesting debate unless the merging rules provide clarity. But I will refrain from the debate until there is definite word on the rules in this situation.

I'm just imagining 3 merged squads in a three valk squadron having just moved 12" to line up for the drop run and one of the valks gets immobilized. Is the unit inside destroyed? Do they get out? If they get out will the rest of the merged unit have to disembark? It's a no-brainer at 24" seeing as the unit inside the valk will be destroyed.

A merged squad, by the definition of being a single unit, would have to maintain coherency. You can't split a unit up to fit into a transport. The far simpler idea is that they simply can't use a transport unless there is a transport big enough to hold them (like a Stormlord or Gorgon).

I don't think there will be a rules issue because there is no way one unit can be in multiple transports, unless they make a special rule for it, which they won't.

They said the platypus wasn't real too.