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@Backfire- No, by definition they are all over-priced. If you use the point that all the others are priced this way, you are just rationalizing your excuse to buy at the exaggerated prices. This is a mentality that has been fostered in marketing to soon part certain types of people from their money.

There is a formula for what retail price should be after production costs. If the price exceeds this formula then the company is price gouging. The company does this for a variety of reasons from demand to creating exclusivity but it is still price gouging and the product is still over priced regardless of the companies reasons for exceeding the formula.

focusedfire wrote:@Backfire- Your comment seems to assume that most high-end board games are not over-priced.

You would be right if they were produced in country by their owners but not so much when they are being produced in china.

I really don't get this obsession people seem to have with things being produced in China. You need to look at the end product! Is it good quality? materials, packaging, etc etc.....has it been QC'd? Are you getting a good service from the OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)....these are the things to focus on.....the cost to you as the consumer is subjective, and the focus on where the product is made is simply not valid!

I wonder if most of you guys know that some of the key components that go into the manufacture of cars like BMW, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, etc are produced in China, or Eastern European Countries, some of it in North Africa! Countries considered by many to be Third World or Developing Countries (although I would not class China as Third World!!)....the reason for this is economics, the OEMs want their suppliers to, year on year, reduce the cost of their components....the only way they can do this is to reduce labour costs and material costs amoungst other things, but without sacrificing quality! No one would necessarily baulk at the cost of a Rolls Royce, you can either afford one or not....but to quibble about the price based on where its components are produced just smacks of ignorance.

well I have seen it and played it in store. I am satisfied withn the rules balance, it has been thought over or more to the point returned to 1st edition with a few minor changes with which I have no problem.

The miniatures are nice, but the fine detail is fragile and the basing is IMHO clumsy.

All in all its more of a temptation than before, mainly because i know i can resell if needs be. But I stuill will not buiy, its a lot to pay now, even if I can make the money back later and I cannot afford to fork out 60 on it.

Hey. I would rather spend 100 bucks on finding the game gorkamorka. Last time I heard you could get the game for 25 bucks so if that is true i could get 4 of them. This is what comes in the box also.
64-page rulebook
112-page background book
4 plastic vehicles (2 trukks, 2 trakks)
12 plastic Ork Boyz
terrain (made of plastic and card)
2 measuring devices
10 dice
die-cut counters and templates
2 reference cards
2 sheets of decals
plastic cement

Times that by four and you get
4*64-page rulebook=4
4*112-page background book=4
4*4 plastic vehicles (2 trukks, 2 trakks)=16
4*12 plastic Ork Boyz =48
4*terrain (made of plastic and card)=4
4*2 measuring devices=8
4*10 dice=40
4*die-cut counters and templates=4
4*2 reference cards =8
4*2 sheets of decals=8
4*plastic cement=4

Thanks, Bleumike

Considering there are people who spend $300-$400 for AT-43 armies, that being pretty much a board game with its reliance on laminated tiles and actual posters, like the kind you would put on your wall posters, I think the Space Hulk price tag is downright reasonable.

I was on the fence at first. I wanted to actually see and play the game for myself. I have Space Hulk for the Sega Saturn, and I had the PC revival that went out last year but which got shot down by GW Legal. I knew the game and its basic precepts, and I knew the storied history of the original, but I still wanted to see it for myself.

Saw it on Thursday. Played a game and a half, witnessed another game. Decision made, ordered it the next day.

To say $100 is too much from a crowd of people who probably spend $1000 or more on plastic toys annually cracks me up...perhaps if you have the original this might be too much; but there's a crapton of stuff in that box. Even if you don't intend to paint them like me, the molds are sick...and Space Hulk also serves another very important purpose:

It's a way to expose people to the 40K universe without their actually buying into the game. My wife will play Space Hulk with me, and so I will finally get to share some of the fun of playing 40K with her. She's never, ever, going to play the actual tabletop game because she has zero interest in learning all the rules. I have friends who know about my wargaming and are interested in it but who just don't have the time or interest to build models and terrain and who therefore are never going to bother learning the rules...but they will certainly play Space Hulk with me.

Now I can have 40K friends over and rather than lugging out my table and my terrain and taking up four hours to play a game (which my wife is not always so keen on) I can have someone over and we can play Space Hulk for an hour or two and call it a night with as much cleanup as putting everything back in the box entails.

If anyone purchases Space Hulk, plays it, and decides they don't like it, they will at least get their money back selling it on eBay. You just have to be smart about how you sell it...break it down into Space Marine, Genestealers, and "game with rules and tiles" lots and if you can't make your $100 back I'd be shocked. Someone might pay $40 for the models they want without having to get the rest of it...or might pay for just the game to use it with their current models. The dead Space Marine in the throne is absolute conversion-fodder....put the objective markers in a lot and they'll sell by themselves...

Space Hulk is a win-win. I bet there are going to be a shiteload of people who, after the run is sold out, are going to regret not purchasing a set. Let's check in in three months and see how people feel about it...maybe they'll still be happy they didn't purchase one while they could, but maybe not.

Backfire wrote:Having said that, I find lots of the bitching pretty stupid.

I'll spare you what I think then...moving on.

Backfire wrote:"It's cardboard".

Well duh. That's what board games usually are.

I'll tell you something board games usually aren't: $100.

Backfire wrote:Sure, plastic 3d corridors would have been great - if you belong to those 2% of the players who have time, skill and patience to paint them.

It takes a hell of a lot less skill and patience to paint terrain than it does to paint a Warhammer army, or hell, even the other models that come in Space Hulk. Your argument here is crap, if laziness is a good enough excuse to not do plastic terrain then why go through the effort of doing plastic models, since I'd care to wager most people won't bother painting them, either?

Backfire wrote:To rest, they would have been hideously ugly, not to mention more expensive and more pain to set up.

More of a pain to set up, I'll give you that. And yes, more expensive as well, since we all know plastic is the new gold if GW's pricing is to be taken seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if those corridors made the price jump another $100, seeing as how fething insane GW is when it comes to pricing products.

Backfire wrote:"It's overpriced for a boardgame". I guess this is from the people who are not at all in touch what high-end board games cost these days. Take Descent - it costs even more, and guess what, it has cardboard terrain.

First of all, Descent is probably the single most expensive board game you could possibly compare it to. Most other FFG games are a little more reasonable on price, usually in the $60-80 range.

Second, most FFG board games that I looked at come with more than what you get in a Space Hulk box. Descent may cost about the same (or more if you get all the expansions, which isn't necessary), but you can't say you don't get your money's worth when looking at the box contents. Sure, the models may not be as super detailed as the ones in Space Hulk (GW has no excuse to falter in this department, seeing as how they've claimed time and time again that selling models is what they're in business for), but they aren't bad-looking at all and can also be painted over if you so desire. You get thicker rulebooks, more counters, more models, etc.

So yeah, I am "in touch" with high-end board games (I wouldn't call Space Hulk a "high-end" board game though), and when comparing Space Hulk to the others out there, I still say it costs about $20 more than it should. You can call me stupid all you want, but that's my opinion and you're wasting your time trying to change it.

focusedfire wrote:@Backfire- No, by definition they are all over-priced. If If you use the point that all the others are priced this way, you are just rationalizing your excuse to buy at the exaggerated prices. This is a mentality that has been fostered in marketing to soon part certain types of people from their money.

There is a formula for what retail price should be after production costs. If the price exceeds this formula then the company is price gouging. The company does this for a variety of reasons from demand to creating exclusivity but it is still price gouging and the product is still over priced regardless of the companies reasons for exceeding the formula.

QFT

The only reason why people think Space Hulk is a deal at $100 is because GW overcharges for every other product they make. Sure, as reinforcements for your 40k army, Space Hulk looks like a good deal since you'll be paying over $100 anyway for the same amount of terminators for your Space Marines/genestealers for your Tyranids. As a standalone board game however, which is what Space Hulk is supposed to be, it doesn't really compare to everything else on the market.

I have no doubt Space Hulk is fun to play, but is it really worth $100? Not to me. And in my opinion GW has a pretty twisted way of pricing a lot of their products to begin with, so just because Space Hulk could have cost a lot more doesn't mean it still isn't priced too high.

And all of you people who compare GW to a luxury car manufacturer...no, I don't think so. If anything, GW would be your average manufacturer, like Chevy or Ford, that just thinks of itself as a luxury manufacturer and prices all its vehicles accordingly, even though you could find much higher-quality cars for a comparable price elsewhere.


EDIT:

To say $100 is too much from a crowd of people who probably spend $1000 or more on plastic toys annually cracks me up...

You must be talking about the crowd who hasn't been priced out of the hobby due to unnecessary, repetitive price increases then. I would honestly be surprised to find out that I had spent $1000 on GW models in the past two years.

It's a way to expose people to the 40K universe without their actually buying into the game. My wife will play Space Hulk with me, and so I will finally get to share some of the fun of playing 40K with her. She's never, ever, going to play the actual tabletop game because she has zero interest in learning all the rules. I have friends who know about my wargaming and are interested in it but who just don't have the time or interest to build models and terrain and who therefore are never going to bother learning the rules...but they will certainly play Space Hulk with me.

I agree with you. It's a shame that GW doesn't think the same way and decided to make just a few thousand copies and sell out before the official release date. Good way to get people into the 40k universe, isn't it...through an extremely limited game that only veterans and eBay scalpers will buy most of, and won't end up on the shelves of anything but a GW store (which there aren't a whole lot of anymore, at the rate they've been closing...there isn't even a single store in my entire state now).

The only way these people will ever be exposed to Space Hulk or 40k at all is because you were lucky enough to get a copy of the game. If they wanted to get one themselves, tough gak, sold out, gone forever. Look to eBay and pay $200+ for the ESPECIAL OUT OF PRODUCTION LIMITED SPECIAL RELEASE SPACE HULK 3RD EDITION!!!1111

Space Hulk is a win-win. I bet there are going to be a shiteload of people who, after the run is sold out, are going to regret not purchasing a set. Let's check in in three months and see how people feel about it...maybe they'll still be happy they didn't purchase one while they could, but maybe not.

I regret being in a financial rut and not having $100 to waste at the time they decided to release it. I regret GW's stupid decision to print a very small amount and then never bother with it again (though I doubt they're really that stupid, if anything they'll have another million boxes for sale in three months).

Other than that, it doesn't really bother me that much. If I have to play Space Hulk that badly I'll just use the store copy and play Space Hulk that day instead of 40k. In fact by making the game so stupidly limited that they sell out from pre-orders alone they've probably done me a favor, since now I have $100 I can use on more important things than toys. And really, if I wanted the Space Hulk experience I'd just pop in my Aliens DVD again. Which in fact I think I might go ahead and do anyway.

Delephont wrote:

focusedfire wrote:@Backfire- Your comment seems to assume that most high-end board games are not over-priced.

You would be right if they were produced in country by their owners but not so much when they are being produced in china.

I really don't get this obsession people seem to have with things being produced in China. You need to look at the end product! Is it good quality? materials, packaging, etc etc.....has it been QC'd? Are you getting a good service from the OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)....these are the things to focus on.....the cost to you as the consumer is subjective, and the focus on where the product is made is simply not valid!

I wonder if most of you guys know that some of the key components that go into the manufacture of cars like BMW, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, etc are produced in China, or Eastern European Countries, some of it in North Africa! Countries considered by many to be Third World or Developing Countries (although I would not class China as Third World!!)....the reason for this is economics, the OEMs want their suppliers to, year on year, reduce the cost of their components....the only way they can do this is to reduce labour costs and material costs amoungst other things, but without sacrificing quality! No one would necessarily baulk at the cost of a Rolls Royce, you can either afford one or not....but to quibble about the price based on where its components are produced just smacks of ignorance.

It isn't that the pieces are made in china. It is that the peices are made in china and the company charges british labour prices for the goods.

A lot of people just don't understand what it really means when it is mentioned that different countries have different economies. They say that they undrstand but they don't really. I'll give an example from another market sector:

People in the US will pay $480-$960 US for a basic gold wedding band(No extras or stones). People pay this much because most still have the stereo-type of some little swiss jewler cutting stones with a loop and custom casting the rings. The truth is that these rings were mass produced in china and sold to a wholesaler for $48 US. Thats right, they are running a 1000% to 2000% mark up. We pay the price because it is reasonable by our economy and labour standards. Just because the majority of consumers are ignorant of the truth does not lessen the fact that this is still price gouging.

Understand that the normal production cost mark-up is double production cost for whole sale and double that for retail. Retail should be about 4 times production costs.


@Everyone- Talked to the Local GW rep today and the company story is that they did the re-release to protect the copywrite under the guise of a 20th anniversary celebration. There was nothing more to it than renewing/protecting the copywrite. THIS, explains much, IMO.

Edit to add info in last sentence.

What good is renewing the copywrite if they aren't going to fething do anything with it? Yay, a handful of people were fortunate enough to have $100 in their pocket when Space Hulk was released, now the molds will sit around for another 20 years not doing anything since GW didn't feel like making more than a few thousand boxes.

Why not just make it a permanent fething item on the website and leave it at that? I would love that, not only could I buy a game for myself whenever the hell I wanted, but they could really stick it to all those melon-fethers who bought multiple copies thinking they'd make a profit on eBay while they were at it.

Sidstyler wrote:You must be talking about the crowd who hasn't been priced out of the hobby due to unnecessary, repetitive price increases then. I would honestly be surprised to find out that I had spent $1000 on GW models in the past two years.

Wargaming is one of the most extraneous, frivolous things I can think of. Of course it's expensive. The only people who can afford to get into the hobby are people with substantial amounts of disposable income (either their own or their parents')...so the idea of "unnecessary" price increases is senseless, no offense. If you want to get into talking about the price of gasoline, something everyone needs, then I can get on board with kvetching about the prices...but for toys?

"Priced out of the hobby." Have you played a game of 40K in the last year? Then you're still in the hobby - you've just made a personal decision as to how much it is worth to you.

Sidstyler wrote:I agree with you. It's a shame that GW doesn't think the same way and decided to make just a few thousand copies and sell out before the official release date. Good way to get people into the 40k universe, isn't it...through an extremely limited game that only veterans and eBay scalpers will buy most of, and won't end up on the shelves of anything but a GW store (which there aren't a whole lot of anymore, at the rate they've been closing...there isn't even a single store in my entire state now).

A hundred thousand copies, you mean?

Call The War Store. Neal has plenty of copies. $89.99 plus $5.95 shipping.

Sidstyler wrote:The only way these people will ever be exposed to Space Hulk or 40k at all is because you were lucky enough to get a copy of the game. If they wanted to get one themselves, tough gak, sold out, gone forever. Look to eBay and pay $200+ for the ESPECIAL OUT OF PRODUCTION LIMITED SPECIAL RELEASE SPACE HULK 3RD EDITION!!!1111

You seriously can't get a copy? It was no effort for me whatsoever. I ordered it yesterday. Luck had nothing to do with it. I placed a phone call.

Sidstyler wrote:I regret being in a financial rut and not having $100 to waste at the time they decided to release it. I regret GW's stupid decision to print a very small amount and then never bother with it again (though I doubt they're really that stupid, if anything they'll have another million boxes for sale in three months).

If you really think they are going to produce more then why are you kvetching? You'll get your chance to buy yours later, and then you can laugh at the rest of us who decided to pick one up now because we weren't quite so sure they would make more.

It was a very smart decision to make a limited production run, because they're all going to sell most likely.

Sidstyler wrote:Other than that, it doesn't really bother me that much. If I have to play Space Hulk that badly I'll just use the store copy and play Space Hulk that day instead of 40k. In fact by making the game so stupidly limited that they sell out from pre-orders alone they've probably done me a favor, since now I have $100 I can use on more important things than toys. And really, if I wanted the Space Hulk experience I'd just pop in my Aliens DVD again. Which in fact I think I might go ahead and do anyway.

If you hold Space Hulk in such low regard, then you shouldn't care about the price, the limited availability, or anything else. You want it, cannot afford it, and are afraid of missing out on your opportunity...this is when I, when I was a kid, would start asking about people buying me something for Christmas and just tucking it away until then.

Sidstyler wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:I would suggest actually taking a look at what you're talking about before making a comment like that.

Or maybe we've seen exactly the same game you have and just formed a different opinion about it. But what the feth do I know, eh?

Not much, apprently. If you've seen pictures of the tile sets, much less actually seen them in person, you're going to be hard-pressed to find any criteria under which you could assess them as 'cheap.'

And again, your above post is showing your ignorance of the situation. You know why they're not making it a permanent item? Perhaps you have heard something about the size and weight? That's not something you want to keep a lot of copies sitting around on hand for, but unlike just about everything else they do, production of a large portion of the kit comes from outside contractors. Due to economy of scale, ordering 100k copies of the cardboard tile set is going to be a lot cheaper than ordering 500 to make sure you have stock in the warehouse.

And if the stores do not sell out their stock of it, that's where the remaining boxes will go to, and you'll see it go back onto the website until they finally sell them out.

That's why their plan works. One big run that pushes production costs down as low as they'll go, meets the predicted sales projections, and does not leave them sitting on inventory that's not moving. Seriously, another 'million boxes?' If GW was actually making bad decisions about their production, that would've been the king of them. I guess we'll see for sure after tomorrow, but if there are still kits available at Christmas, it'll show that GW was close to dead-on about what the demand, and the correct number of sets would be.

Sidstyler wrote:Why not just make it a permanent fething item on the website and leave it at that?

For loads of practical and production reasons, not least of which is the expense of producing card-stock tiles in full colour (let alone with the embossed details). They were done out-of-house, and it costs GW (or any company) and arm and a leg to do that. A production run like this has both a critical mass and a diminishing returns problem. Too few or too many means that they lose money.

Sidstyler wrote: I would love that, not only could I buy a game for myself whenever the hell I wanted, but they could really stick it to all those melon-fethers who bought multiple copies thinking they'd make a profit on eBay while they were at it.

Except that if it were a 'forever' thing, and not limited, then people wouldn't have rushed to buy it and put in on eBay, so there would be no 'mother fethers' to stick anything to.


+everything that Bookwrack just said.

@Bookwrack- Everheard of JIT manufacturing?

This system was developed in Japan during the early 1970's by Taichii Ohno(Creator of the "Toyota Production System") from studying and improving american manufacturing models. Particularly the Ford Motor Companies manufacturing practices and the statistical quality control practices of Ishikawa, Edward Demming, and Joseph Juran.

It is a common manufacturing system that focuses upon scalable production. Oddly, most publishers claim to have never heard about JIT and continue to play off of the misperception of small printing runs being overly cumbersome and costly. While it is true that there are printing presses that are very old and still in use, there are up to date computerized print shops and publishing companies that allow for the cost savings of JIT manufacturing.

This makes size and wieght concerns much less significant due to the advent of easily scaled production runs.

Now,by modern production methods and business models, if GW still has copies of Space Hulk available after this Christmas then they did fail. Either in sales or through over ordering but every copy of the game sitting around 3 months after this release is costing GW money.

Now as to the "cheap card board tiles".....Cheap is a relative term. The quality is good for what they are and they are perfect for what GW was doing in this case. My problem is the base production cost versus the retail pricing. When coupled with the fact that I really do not like the models, you get a formula that fails to have enough value for me to spend money on.

@ff - more like POD for books.

In regards to obsession with China. Most working class blue collar workers would take offense at dismissive comments like "What's the big deal if something is made in China or not?" Lots of industries are closing plants, firing/laying off workers and opening new ones in China and Taiwan and giving those people jobs.

Make that comment to your average US Steel worker and you'll probably get a piece of rebar shoved so far up your colon you'll be able to feel it in your nasal passage.

For every 1 good thing coming out of China there are 9 bad things coming out. Most US toy manufacturers have sold out to the Chinese. Tonka, which got started and founded here in Mn (Minnetonka to be exact) has sold out to China. Go to Wal-mart, look at the bottom of the toy or the box it comes in. It will either say "Made in China" or "Made in Taiwan". I bet the 100's of workers employed at the plant here in Minnesota weren't to happy some foreigner was getting their job because Tonka was willing to pay them pennies on the dollar (and the quality has gone down to boot).

@Fateweaver:

Wow, what a rant. I haven't read a good Yellow Peril screed like that since the 1980s when the Japanese proved they could make a car in which all of the doors, hood, and trunk closed square; the engine and trans ran without breaking down; and the interior trim didn't fall apart - things that we take for granted today.

With respect to China, perhaps you ought to ask the Europeans about their thoughts on Americans stealing all of their jobs as the Industrial Revolution moved along...

Then you might ask the Chinese about jobs moving to Vietnam...

Everybody gets a turn doing factory work. That's the way that capitalism works.


Also, as for "US steel workers", as far as I know there basically aren't any, any more. That ship sailed more than 40 (50?) years ago.


Your 1 good / 9 bad comment is only makes sense if you don't like choices and owning stuff. If not for competition (i.e. capitalism), you'd be paying GW-type prices for *everything* you own - your car, your clothes, your toys, your computer, everything.

Finally, having lived in the union factory production era, the quality and value wasn't anything to brag about. Still isn't, if you've seen a current Chrysler...


I understand that your nostalgic and protectionist, but the fact remains that an unskilled laborer in the US has no more right to any particular job than an unskilled laborer in Europe, Asia, or anywhere else in the world.

Where we should be scared is that knowledge-based jobs are slowly going away because we're not retaining US-educated (and subsidized) Ph.Ds, nor importing H1s. That has serious long-term impacts.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Fateweaver:



Finally, having lived in the union factory production era, the quality and value wasn't anything to brag about. Still isn't, if you've seen a current Chrysler...

Where we should be scared is that knowledge-based jobs are slowly going away because we're not retaining US-educated (and subsidized) Ph.Ds, nor importing H1s. That has serious long-term impacts.

I will only buy Chrylser. They have been very reliable and economical. I am currently looking for a dodge viper acr on the used market so I can get one of the fastest production cars ever on the nurburgring any issues american cars may have have little to nothing to do with the guys on the line but due to the bean counters upstairs.
oh and Phd's are pretty much worthless. undergrad and masters engineering degrees are what we need. people who actually make stuff.

On topic.
I will not buy space hulk because it is not that great of a game for $100. I don't need the minis for my armies. I can score first edition rules cheaply and make my own tiles. But frankly, i would rather play carcassonne or settlers when it comes to a board game

...I am ashamed. I hate myself. I'm a piece of gak...the worst kind of human being. I am a hypocrite and a moron...

...I fething bought Space Hulk.

I only had to pay $80 though, my brother chipped in and helped alleviate some of the cost, and it was hard enough to do that. I was pacing around my apartment biting my nails the whole time, before finally screaming "feth it!", walking out the front door and propelling myself to the FLGS with a 3.4 V6 combined with the power of kicking my own ass.

I feel unclean...I'm going to go sit in the darkest corner of my apartment with my heavy ass box of Space Hulk (they weren't lying) and think about my life...

And seeing as how I was one of the loudest voices proclaiming they weren't going to bother, I imagine the entirety of Dakka is going to rip me a new donkey-cave for it.

I feel unclean...

I just don't think it's excusable some American loses his job because his boss wants cheap labor in another country. Let China open their own damn factories. US Citizens in the US have MORE right to have a job in a US factory than someone overseas just because the factory wants to save a little bit of money. I got laid off my job because the factory I worked at sold most of our production contracts to Mexico. Sure it's not China but I'm trying to survive on $1200 US per month so someone in another country can get paid $4 US per hour and the fat cat who owns the company can get fatter. Capitalism my ass.

Sorry, OT but crap like that rubs me the wrong way after having been a victim of "globalization".

I'm not going to right now because losing half of my income per month has set me on the defensive as far as spending habits. GF said if any are available, at a not too overinflated price on Ebay, I'll get one for Xmas.

My only reason for not buying it.

I know how you feel Fateweaver, and I don't think it's unreasonable at all to be pissed off.

@Fateweaver: it sucks that you got laid off, and I do know how that is. Really.

But you realize that *everybody* is getting squeezed in this economy, right?

Right now, the way I'd characterize the economy as "gak flows downhill". That is, if you were to talk to your boss, most likely, his customer probably held a gun to his head and told him that they'd cancel their orders if he couldn't cut his costs. So, given the choice of having a small cut of a shrinking pie, over nothing at all, he picked the small cut.

How do I know this?

Because our customers are doing this to us, and iwe're not alont. Right now, I'm in a hell of a fight to just to keep our guys employed. And it's turning into a losing battle.

Actually, it's pretty depressing.

But to blame China for decisions made here, in response to customer demands made here, that seems a bit misplaced.

Ultimately, it's the consumer that's driving this.

We all say that we won't pay $100 for Space Hulk. But if we want to keep these kinds of things in the US or UK or Europe, we should be willing to pay $200, $300, or more.

I have no idea where the money would come from, but that's what it would take to keep the jobs here.

I don't really blame China myself, I blame the guys who make the decision to outsource there in the first place.

I can see why they do it, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't mean I have to like them for it.


Anyway, my first impressions of Space Hulk: it's big. I was surprised when picking up the box and commented at the register "Wow, it's heavy." I won't actually get to play the game for a while (maybe tomorrow, maybe Monday?), so I can't comment on the gameplay yet, but the models do in fact look amazing, all things considered. I do have a few minor nitpicks, it looks like some of the details don't quite match the 'Eavy Metal models we've all seen but they're still great. The broodlord is HUGE, mostly due to his base, but he is considerably larger than the others. The ones perched on terrain kinda bug me since they look like they're taking the terrain with them, but still...

My other major complaint is that I won't get to paint the Librarian. Part of the stipulations of the deal with my brother...he gets to paint the Librarian. Technically though I own the game and all the models, he gave me $20 but I gave him a fething PS2 and will be giving him a few games in exchange, so (and in case he reads this) I think that makes us more than even!

Oh, some of the models are broken. The little servo skull tank (holy crap I love this thing! I was playing with the one that came with the store copy and making vroom vroom noises, it's hysterical!) is broken, and one of the genestealers is missing a claw or spike of some kind...only problem being I can't find which one is broken, they all look the same and they all look fine.

As for the tiles...I will say the art on them is great, I was never too upset over the artwork. But still, it's cardboard. I realize now though that there's really no way GW could have done plastic corridors. The box was heavy and big enough with just cardboard, plastic corridors would have driven the cost up to even more insane levels and probably even been impossible to do. I still say it'd be fething cool though, if incredibly impractical and a bitch to set up or store...

So, a couple of damaged models (and I hate cardboard, waaah), but other than that not much to complain about. I still say $100 is hard to shell out for a board game, but I think it actually might be worth it if you have the money. Keep in mind though I'm saying that without having actually played the game, I'm not much of a board gamer admittedly so I'm sure there are better games out there that cost less, but make no mistake: GW models are ridiculously expensive, and this box does give you over $200 worth of them.

There, that's my somewhat unbiased, gakky review. I'm going back to my corner now.

Sidstyler wrote:...I am ashamed. I hate myself. I'm a piece of gak...the worst kind of human being. I am a hypocrite and a moron...

You're not a moron nor are you a hypocrite. I agree with just about every reason you've stated for disliking Space Hulk, except for the fact that I direct my wildly over the top nonsense towards GW rather than any specific product they make (chief exception being the Chaos Codex, of course).

So don't feel unclean or 'think' anything over - just open your (heavy) Hulk box and get playing.

Hey, if I get my box and the models on sprue are slightly damaged, is that reason enough to get replacements?

Probably not, they'd just tell me to stop being a pussy and buy some glue. But hey...

Give it a shot.

Pick something really trivial... the Goblet/Cup thing. Say one half of it wasn't on the sprue and wasn't in the box. See what they say.

...well, I am missing a Librarian...

Damn you all for having jobs.

I agree John that we, as Americans want things on the cheap and it's disheartening that people say "I'll buy that because it's 20% cheaper than this even though it's made in _________(insert country of choice).

I'm one who will buy the more expensive American made product over a Chinese knock-off but that is just me ensuring American workers like me keep their jobs instead of losing them to a foreigner.

Gakking' economy and no job not allowing me to buy Space Hulk. Oh well, at least I got the Broodlord from it to replace the current "I need a hug" BL.

OT but anyone tell me the colors used for the 'stealers? I saw somewhere a shot of the box showing the usual 'eavy metal paint colors that they always show on boxed sets (or at least show most of the time) but now I can't find it

For the genestealers, the box says:

Carapace: Regal Blue and Ice Blue highlight.
Head, Hands and Feet: Warlock Purple and Leviathan Purple Wash
Claws: Chaos Black and Space Wolves Grey highlight.

I dunno though, it looks more like Tentacle Pink than Warlock Purple to me, even though the pink is discontinued.

Cairnius wrote:Considering there are people who spend $300-$400 for AT-43 armies, that being pretty much a board game with its reliance on laminated tiles and actual posters, like the kind you would put on your wall posters, I think the Space Hulk price tag is downright reasonable.

Interesting reply, as if you are implying somthing Cairnie. Me not addicted, I can handle it, I can stop anytime.

*sound of overspilling therians from full cupboards*

Sidstyler wrote:...I am ashamed. I hate myself. I'm a piece of gak...the worst kind of human being. I am a hypocrite and a moron...

...I fething bought Space Hulk.

Every one of us in this forum at some point has probably caved in and bought a GW product that we promised ourselves we wouldn't buy. Then we're angry because even though we want the product, we don't think GW deserves our money, so we're happy with the purchase, but upset with ourselves for giving GW the impression that they did a good thing.

Every time I bought DE models I'd kick myself and think "I want to play DE, but GW doesn't deserve my money until they give DE some attention!" In retrospect, I should have bought Eldar and converted them to Dark Eldar. Oh well.

As for Space Hulk: I quite simply have absolutely no interest in the game at all. I played the 2nd edition SH and enjoyed it briefly before becoming bored with it. I would not enjoy the game if I bought it. It does not appeal to me at all. However, if I played SMs or Nids, I might buy it just for the models and throw the rest away. The models alone are a good deal for 100$... Unless you don't play those armies. Then you just have to hope that you'll really enjoy the game... Which I would not.

Sid, we could all tell you were really torn over this. I, however, am not torn at all. There is nothing in that box that I care about.

I played a game today with my wife! My Wife has no interest in GW or its products, or wargaming in general!

Did the game wow her? not really, in fact, because of her non comittal attitude towards the whole thing, I'll be honest and say, it took a little from the experience for me to!

That said, its an easy game to play. I think if you play thi sgame with someone with a modicom of interest in Aliens, wargames and Sci-Fi it would rock! Set the atmosphere, get the beers out...and blam you're away!

Just avoid people who are more at home with Monopoly!