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H.B.M.C. wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote:I dunno HMBC, it is quite funny though eh?

No what's funny are comments like this one:

"Utility... simply laughable as functional terrain for most games."

Why is that funny? Because it's a comment made on a false premise, the premise being that the new Space Hulk box was designed for anything other than Space Hulk.

I see nothing wrong with expecting dynamic versatility of some kind in a product that cost so much. Troll me through my P.M. I promise I will read it .

Spulk is also limited release, which speaks wonders about how GW built their product up to sell, sell, sell. Not rocket science in my book, regardless of what a economist wants to feed me.

This is about as interesting as Spulk can get for me, and I was having a good laugh the whole time.

I won't be getting it.

I still my old SH1.0 set of tiles, rules and counters and some metal termies to go with it. A mate has scads of Genestealers.

I didn't buy SH2.0 for the same reason.


Also the price is crippling if I can buy Doom+its expansion for less and a bunch more minis I'll actually use.

If we do this in true GW form then by saying "NO WE DO NOT PLAN ON BUYING SPACE HULK!",do we actualy meen."yes, we will be buying it as soon a possible". (cunning devils)
OT,nope won't be buying it,I don't,nor will I ever, collect either SM or Nids, I wasn't very interested in space hulk years ago and am less interested now,$100 dollars for a board game?really?...really?

My comments echo most others in this thread:

1. Wasn't a big fan when it was first out, only played the PC game.
2. Don't collect SM.
3. Don't collect 'Nids.
4. $100?! No thanks.

It is a board-game, and I have never seen one that was being sold for so much money, especially when it cant even be used for other things.

Sure the art-work is nice, and you could use the "limited-release excuse" to explain the cost, but that hardly makes GW look very good in the long run. If I am not mistaken the most expensive board games cost in the region of 60$ anything beyond that is just chock full of knick-knacky game pieces.

I feel like playing Monopoly for a bit of ole' fashioned Nerd rage now .
"Ted... TED!!! Can we just end this now please? We lose you win... etc.. etc.."

Wrexasaur wrote:It is a board-game, and I have never seen one that was being sold for so much money, especially when it cant even be used for other things.

Tiles are good for Necromunda special scenarios. Dark Heresy is another perfect one. In fact, just about any sci-fi skirmish or RPG could use these tiles.

But no, you're right, they can't be used for anything else. Ever. At all.

the_Armyman wrote:What amazes me is some of the Dakka-ites who do nothing but complain about every move GW makes, and then they run out and buy two (or more) of practically every new product that comes their way. I mean, I bitch about GW, but I also stopped buying the vast majority of their stuff years ago. But, it wouldn't be the intarweb without steaming piles of hypocrisy lying around!

You dont have to like a company or a product to purchase something for the purpose of reselling.

Aslong as there are plenty of customers to resell to , ^ does not matter.

And I don't bitch about the models I buy, I just bitch about the ass-backwards gakky rules GW gives them.

Kilkrazy wrote:This thread is for everyone who dislikes the new version of Spulk to say why they are not buying it.

Don't post in this thread if you are going to buy Spulk.

I though this was perfectly clear.

All due respect to Kilkrazy and everyone who has posted here, but I have to admit, this thread's a bit of an embarrassment.

My bother expending all this negative energy at all?

If you don't want to buy Space Hulk.... don't?

I see most of this coming about due to GW's idiotic "MYSTERY BOX" campaign being a complete and total failure, of the Epic Fail variety.

yeah

Alpharius wrote:All due respect to Kilkrazy and everyone who has posted here, but I have to admit, this thread's a bit of an embarrassment.

My bother expending all this negative energy at all?

If you don't want to buy Space Hulk.... don't?

I see most of this coming about due to GW's idiotic "MYSTERY BOX" campaign being a complete and total failure, of the Epic Fail variety.

QFT

What's the point In posting a thread where you can't post a counter arguement?
It's like one big jerk circle... well done...

PAnic...

Criticism is welcome as long as it is valid.

"It doesn't work with 40K" and "I wanted plastic tiles for use with 40K" aren't valid cricisms, as they make the (false) assumption that Space Hulk was supposed to do more than just be Space Hulk.

"I can't afford it/it is too expensive for me at the moment/I wouldn't get what I want out of it for that massive price/I'd much rather buy something I'll get use out of" - are all valid criticisms.

"I'm not a fan of the models" - valid criticism.

"I prefer the older tiles in the previous edition" - valid criticism.

"I don't want a GW boardgame, I'm happy with what I've got" - valid opinion.

"I don't want a GW boardgame, therefore this product is a complete waste of money and is crap" - not a valid opinion because A does not lead to B.

I just posted here, and HMBC came in like WRONG!!!

Sure, whatever.... but no where in the thread did it mention ripping up peoples opinions.

HMBsilliness wrote:"I don't want a GW boardgame, therefore this product is a complete waste of money and is crap" - not a valid opinion because A does not lead to B.

Dude, I cannot even begin to tell you how petty that is. I shall keep this aspect of your personality in consideration when I drop silly bombs on you when you slip up. Erm... nerd rage eh? Take one dem chill pills and get your OCD in check dude.

So Ad hominem mixed with a dash of hyperbole is the best you can manage, Wrex?

When at a loss for actual rebuttal, just lash out at the people who disagree with you. Excellent. Very intelligent.

Is this kind of thing how threads are supposed to work?

My opinion can be as independent of rebuttal as I want.

When did wargames become a thing to debate, rather than enjoy? I like a good conversation, and I must have been so grossly unaware of this topics intent that you mistook my direct comments for idiocy. This is not a debate HMBC, your nerd strong arm tactics fail to overwhelm my mental capacities as an average joe.

Please reread your definition of opinion.
Meanwhile we did get a view into the results of GW's earnings reports.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion wrote:2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Opinion, def. number 2.

Please reread your definition of rebuttal.
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=rebuttal

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=rebuttal wrote:(n) rebuttal (the speech act of refuting by offering a contrary contention or argument)

Contention: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=contention

I made no argument that could be asserted as more than opinion, and HMBC ran in like a hungry wolf... troll if I may say so myself.

Nothing wrong withit, but we already have Space Hulk a couple times over in my group, so there's no need.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Nothing wrong withit, but we already have Space Hulk a couple times over in my group, so there's no need.

Another valid reason for not buying it. Now rage, no 'BAWWWWW no plastic tiles' nonsense - just a simple, clean, valid reason for why John does not require nor want the new Space Hulk.

LunaHound wrote:

the_Armyman wrote:What amazes me is some of the Dakka-ites who do nothing but complain about every move GW makes, and then they run out and buy two (or more) of practically every new product that comes their way. I mean, I bitch about GW, but I also stopped buying the vast majority of their stuff years ago. But, it wouldn't be the intarweb without steaming piles of hypocrisy lying around!

You dont have to like a company or a product to purchase something for the purpose of reselling.

Aslong as there are plenty of customers to resell to , ^ does not matter.

I like GW products. I buy GW products. GW acts like an asshat time and time again. I still like GW products. However, I choose to buy few if any GW products because of asshattery. I fail to see why I should suspend my practice of not supporting asshattery simply because I can make a buck off of it.

@ the_Armyman

Alpharius wrote:All due respect to Kilkrazy and everyone who has posted here, but I have to admit, this thread's a bit of an embarrassment.

You just ruined a thread that KK was nice enough to create for us -_-

LunaHound wrote:

Alpharius wrote:All due respect to Kilkrazy and everyone who has posted here, but I have to admit, this thread's a bit of an embarrassment.

You just ruined a thread that KK was nice enough to create for us -_-

I appreciate Luna's sentiment on this one in particular. There is practically no reason why there cannot be a two sided debate, where the facts remain clear (more often opinions but it really matters not) and they can be cross-referenced as with nearly every other subject found online. All in all there is a place for this kind of separated opinion, and I say this is one of those occasions.

As a mere member of the Dakka community I know that my opinion on this is swimming in a ocean of dispute. Besides this fact (which is actually part of the reason I find this to be necessary on occasion) I do think that this thread has been beneficial to both sides on the whole; not having reviewed the other thread deeply (with half the replies than this one mind you, and most in this thread are direct commentary as per the product relates to the subject) as well as not commenting on it, I do think that there is a relative balance on this one.

Oh so now you want a two-sided debate?

But how can one have debate without rebuttal, Wrex? Or without, as it happens, debate? Debate would require both sides in the argument debating. You seem to imply that we should sit in our respective threads and... what... debate without talking?

I say we make it a four-sided debate. Board needs a good cluster-feth.

All i know is there will be 2 sides to this GIANT NEWS and KK was kind enough to respect opinions for both sides ( thus creating the yes thread and no thread ) which will keep the discussion clean and confined to the appropriate threads.

If viewing our opinion in our correct thread is embarrassment... then it sort of defeat the purpose and effort of killkrazy :<
not to forget belittling the "other's" opinions.

And HBMC i want to answer about the "whinning about no plastic terrain" .

"Ppl want better terrain" , but no its not needed because its a board game
Just like when people buy these they'll be tempted to paint them ( well its a board game why paint? because people have the warhammer instinct of wanting to model them! )
So its not surprising when people want to surpass the board game mentality and want something abit more well made.

So people can have nicely painted board game minis along with nice lay out of terrain.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh so now you want a two-sided debate?

But how can one have debate without rebuttal, Wrex?

People can do their own research and cross-reference all the comments if they want to. Most often than not, I have absolutely no need for your input dude, especially when I feel that you are trolling me for some sort of amusement.

Enjoy this dude.


Oh man, you made the bunny cry... shame on you HMBC!!!

LunaHound wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:But what pisses me off is the price tag. Really? They are easily making 70+ USD in profit for every unit they sell...

But this is nothing new though , every kit GW came up with is along the similar % profit.

Yeah, but this isn't WORTH 100 dollars (although arguably most of their other products aren't worth that much either... but I feel this is much less worth the price).

I'm sorry, but do you think GW is some kind of charity organisation? Do you think they donate to the starving children in Africa or something? What the hell is wrong with companies making a profit??? News flash, its what companies do, its why they are a company and not a charity organisation!

I'm sorry could you be any more of an ***? Please see above comment.

Even if they make the units for $1 and sell it to you for $100, do you think a company (of any type) will "limit" the amount of profit they make in order to please the customer? Seriously, theres plenty of reasons to be pissed at GW, but the fact that they make a profit is a vary naive reason to be angry.....

let me put this in perspective for you so you can understand my angle. This is the same thing as say Nintendo, rereleasing the supernintendo, but with a cosmetic upgrade that makes it look like a wii, and charging us 1500 USD for it (logic used: avg boardgame costs 30 USD, SH costs 100, so roughly 3 times greater. Avg new video game console costs 500 USD (at release), multiply by 3 = 1500).

38 new and seemingly high quality models for a $100 seems in line with GW's infamous pricing scheme and again doesn't include all the value the box adds since its a full game and limited edition.

I'll clue you in on something my friend. Limited Edition means JACK. I can't tell you how many items I have acquired over the years that were marketed as "limited edition" that are now worth less than they were than they sold. In fact, the entire business of collectables has become a mockery of itself. It worked way back when when people didn't realize how much things would be worth. Things like comic books and trading cards got tossed out with any real consideration for what they were. Then somewhere 25-50 yrs down the line when people realize how rare something is, they want it, and the lack of availability drives the price up. But GW is making it clear that there are 100,000 units available. People KNOW its a limited edition, so they are on average, that much more likely to take better care of the product, so in 25-50 yrs I would imagine that of the initial production run of 100,000 units, at least half that number is still going to be available, and lets be realistic here... there aren't that many people interested in this hobby, so that's actually a lot.

If anything a limited edition run HURTS value rather than adds to it, unless it is a TRULY limited production run, 1/10 the number that GW is producing or less.

Either way, if I want to play SH, I'll wait for the rules to make their way onto the interwebz, use my already existing models and convert/build everything else

While the INTERNETZ thinks.. that Space Hulk = Epic Fail.


Friend reported to me of the long line to pre order them numbering in the hundreds overall in the day.

I see.. a complete victory in convincing that many people to buy that much haha.


GW is gunna.. get a lot of moolah.. and spend it on something.. hmmmmm

Wrexasaur wrote:Enjoy this dude.

I think this has become a massive case of the pot calling the kettle black. You're trolling, baiting, and making personal attacks against me.

You are reported.

Again.

Again again.

I'm not buying because I'd only be interested in the Terminators, and given GW's past history with Spulk, they'll release those as a 40K combat squad style box set further down the line.

Now if only they didn't have so much BA detailing.