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Ouze wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I cannot contribute to the flaw count since I haven't bought any fine-cast miniature yet.
However, my gaming store which is quite big has taken all fine-cast miniatures from the shelf
and will no longer sell them.
The reasons are quality issues and the store manager said that the material will get harder
when its getting older and so will eventually break.

Has anyone else's FLGS stopped carrying the line?

Both, along with 2 of my favourite online AUS stores who refused to send back their metals...

I grabbed the last metal Canis Wolfborn off the shelf today...

I bought a Finecast Hive Tyrant yesterday. I haven't put it together yet but it all appears fine.

Out of 6 boxes of Wracks, ordered via pre-order (yeah took me a while to get round to them) 2 have been perfect.

Wracks themselves have all been fine and dandy but the weapon sprue for the Acothyst, not so much. Beware if you plan on using the Whip, as this wasn't up to scratch!

Ouze wrote:Has anyone else's FLGS stopped carrying the line?

Mine has. (Gateshead games)

Mr Mystery wrote:Out of 6 boxes of Wracks, ordered via pre-order (yeah took me a while to get round to them) 2 have been perfect.

Wracks themselves have all been fine and dandy but the weapon sprue for the Acothyst, not so much. Beware if you plan on using the Whip, as this wasn't up to scratch!

You planning on supplying pics?

I find 2/6 to be absolutely perfect boxes, especially from the first batch (Pre-Order), difficult to believe without visual proof.

AvatarForm wrote:I find 2/6 to be absolutely perfect boxes, especially from the first batch (Pre-Order), difficult to believe without visual proof.

Oh Games Workshop, how low you done fallen, when a player states 66% of the models they bought were screwed up and that figure is dismissed as unlikely because it's too good.

I believe you, but it's startling to see the current sentiment regarding GWS's QC, one of the few things even the most hardcore hater wouldn't deny as excellent just 1 year ago.

GW still has an unsullied reputation as a provider of high quality, high price plastic model kits at 2007 exchange rates!

A friend of mine has a theory that kind of makes sense: since metal minis with miscasts could just be melted and used as raw material again, GW didn't loose much by rejecting said minis.

Now with failcast you don't have that option so they are probably under instructions to be a bit more "loose" with their criteria... That or half the QC staff got fired in an effort to reduce costs even further. That, coupled with the fact that they are using basicly the same molds that they used to cast their metal minis leads to theses issues.

I don't really care for the overal aestetics of most of the armies for DW, but the level of detail on those things is amazing so it is possible to obtain high quality and high levels of detail with resin, GW is miles away from it though.

I don't know, this is just wild speculation, all I know is that thanks to failcast my project to build a Dark Eldar army went down the drain. At least Spartan, PP, Empress, Critical Mass Games and Wyrd get some profit out of it.

I ordered some finecast online at the start of the week (2 boxes of wracks and a succubus) and when I opened them, 8 out of the 11 models were miscast. 2 of the 3 that werent had one or two little bubbles in, but were usable.

The Succubus had all her chin and half her neck missing and her agoniser and other weapon also had holes in. All 10 Wracks had insane amounts of flash on 5 of them (2x top left, top right and 2x bottom left in picture) it was as thick as their swords in places and impossible to remove without utterly destroying the detail. Half of these also had several (not huge, but noticable) bubbles in, as did two others. Two were okay but thats 82% fail, for a ~£75 order.



My previous experience of fine cast (a haemonculus and Urien) were fine, but needless to say GW got a complaint from me this time. I sent an email on wednesday and am yet to have a reply. Not impressed.....

I got my replacement Librarian in Terminator Armour today. It's even worse than the first one. This one is really bad. Absolutely nothing is usable in this kit. It is by far the worst Failcast I have seen to date.

















I didn't have much faith in this product to begin with, but this is just utter gak. A 3rd one is on the way. If the 3rd one is crap then I'm refusing further replacement and demanding credit towards another purchase.

@Oni: Holy crap. I'd heard the flak being thrown at Finecast (also heard it called Finecost), but hadn't seen any pictures of the "bad" models so far. Wow, just wow.

Now I'm torn between either running to my FLGS and buying our all their metal models for Tau, or hiding in terror in my room, for fear that warped and twisted thing that was once a sprue shall pursue me in the night and grind my bones for more resin...


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By the way, does the OP or anyone else have the current Miscast number, or a rough ratio of crap to useable Finecost models?

darkPrince010 wrote:Now I'm torn between either running to my FLGS and buying our all their metal models

I recently did this... buying all the metals I could ever need for my armies...

I have just picked up the new Cockatrice, and it looks great. All the parts look like it goes together pretty smoothly.

Thank god I still have several dozen bolter and numerous melta/flamer Sisters sitting in a box unpainted.

I bought my first fine cast model two days ago, I was kinda worried when I had it ordered in because I've heard from a few places, including the Wayland site that, well basically the quality has been crap. I've had two tiny bubbles on my Astorath the Grim figure, I've quite pleased with it.

It does seem to be a double edged sword, I suspect any more I'll buy may have larger problems =[

Bought Lelith Herespex for my Dark Eldar. Looked ok from the box, couldn't turn it round inside the packaging obviously. Got it home, there's no face. It's just flat, from the tip of the chin to the roots of her hair. There are numerous air bubbles, large air bubbles, along the inside of the left leg, and he's missing a foot, which I never noticed.

Dark Eldar Haemonculus.
"Best" out of two available at the store(The other one had only 2 fingers on the "fleshgauntlet)

The one I bought had:
Quite a large amount of missing resin(possible a result from airbubbles) on the edge of his dagger, greenstuffing required.
Two "major" and one "minor" airbubbles on on the fingers on the hand that carries the small casket. Major airbubbles will require greenstuffing, minor could be covered by paint or small amounts of superglue.
One "major" airbubble on his middle finger on the fleshgauntlet, could possibly be shrugged of as a malformed finger....
One "major" airbubble on the hand of the fleshgauntlet, will require fixing.
One LARGE airbubble on the top of his head(Or as a certain apothecary would say..."Headwound, fatal"). No problem to cover it up with greenstuff, though I can't understand how I missed this when I checked it out in the store!

The one I choose was quite faulty(atleast it had no missing parts), I'm beginning to wonder if the other one would have been a better choice, since I wont use the fleshgauntlet, though it could have had the same issues as mine since the only thing I manage to see when its was in the package was the faulty dagger.

I bought a couple of boxes of wracks and a haemonculous that were flawed. One wrack had a weapon that looked like a cooked piece of spaghetti which I replaced. Another couple had casting flaws that required me to reshape them with a knife.
The hex rifle in one of the boxes was bent and took a bit of work to get it back in proper shape.
The Haemonculous was missing part of his foot and several hoses had parts missing.
To sum up:

10 wracks. 5 flawed models
1 haemonculous 1 flawed model

I have only bought 2 Finecast models, and they have been great!

Went to my FLGS to inspect the finecast line for myself, needless to say of the 6 blisters available they were all terrible.

Varying degrees of miscasts, green gunk stuck to the models themselves and lots of bubbles.

The only one probably serviceable was a jump pack chaplain, his jump back was one thruster but the model itself only had a few bubbles from what I saw and a enormous amount of flash.

Something that would be interesting to do in addition to a flaw count would be to make a chart on the nature of the flaws, as air bubbles, warping, excess flash on details, etc.

Yeah, and maybe an overall degree of severity, like a 1 being minor bubbles, 2 being bubbles you have to do grerenstuffing for, and a 3 being like the "He's got no face" scenario above, and give the "Flaw Severity" total for the pack. I think your idea will help give a better view on it, since if you have only 1 flawed model of 6, but he's basically only usable as Chaos spawn, it's not "less worse" than 3 or 4 models with need of greenstuffing (imo).

So far I have only purchased 1 finecast model and it wasn't even for myself. It was a Tomb Kings Liche Priest and it was for a friend that I traded for some MTG cards. Of the two that were at my FLGS, the first had the staff bent really badly as the biggest defect one could see in the packaging. The second one, the one I purchased for my friend, was seemingly fine other than the excessive amount of flash on the model, particularly at the head of the staff and just throughout the main body of the model. There was about 1/3 to 1/2 amount of flash equal to the amount of material used in the model itself. Since my friend didn't mind cleaning off the flash and there were no other defects with the model, he found it acceptable.

Having taken a look at the few other finecast models at my FLGS, there is at least one terrible looking Commissar Yarrick with obvious bubbles on the Stormbolter, one of the Blood Angles characters with a less than complete Jump Pack, and a Logan Grimnar that didn't look all that great either.

There are still more metal models on the shelves than finecast ones. Whether that's because people are actually buying the finecast ones, they aren't being stocked as well, or because they have been returned to GW, I don't know but I will ask the owner when he gets back from vacation. Make of this what you will.

Makes you wonder how they're actually made? I know the Wayland website had a huge list of flaws and cancelled taking orders until they were sorted.

I've noticed a few small bubbles in my Astorath the Grim fine cast, to be fair, nothing worth whinging about but there seems to be a huge error rate. If this was any other "quality" product there'd be uproar.

I've been playing GW games since 94. Since then I get one incorrectly packaged or miscast a year. I've purchased 4 fine cast models so far with the only error resulting in me dipping the model in hot water to straighten Abbadon's top knot. So far, I've not had the issues everyone else has had. I guess other than the tab you put in the base having bubbles in it I haven't had any issues.

Most of the issues I have had were with the metal models - I've had some of them bent or broken crozious/swords/guns and mispackaged items (marauders with no bodies but twice the amount of arms, lizardmen with no shields or arms, not having bolt guns or arms in a box of marines, etc) GW has always fixed my problem - I've received another box and sprues that only had bodies to match the maruders, additional marine boxes, lizardmen, etc. Its a pain but it happens when you have the volume they spit out. Given enough time, it will work its way out.

They had the same issues when they first did the plastic box sets and when the marines were metal you didn't always get enough arms, bolt guns, etc. If Portent.net was still around you'd be able to look up their old forums and see the threads about the random crap people were missing. If we're having the same problem in 3-6 months then its a serious issue.

went on a little trip to NYC this past week and stopped in at the GW store while I was there. Bought Huron Blackheart, and Kurt Helborg in Finecast. Both are terrible and useless. I was willing to give GW the benefit of the doubt and thought it would be unlikely that so many kits were miscast, but not anymore. a huge chunk of Hurons right shoulder pad is just flat detail-less space that looks like a chunk was sheared off. The sabaton on his left foot was split in half and going in two different directions. Kurt Helborg seemed like he was going to be a bit better, then I realized his right leg was missing entirely! also, the skull that was on the head area of his warhorses armor was very miscast. 50 dollars worth of minis, worthless.


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It was so disapointing to open two miscasts in a row. What are the odds one might say? Shorter than I had supposed.

bought a libby in termie armour, one or two flaws on the staff that i dont care about because im going to be cutting it off anyway, and the plasma pistol has a flaw or two, again im not using it so i dont care, rest of the model is as far as im concerned perfectly fine

iproxtaco wrote:Bought Lelith Herespex for my Dark Eldar. Looked ok from the box, couldn't turn it round inside the packaging obviously. Got it home, there's no face. It's just flat, from the tip of the chin to the roots of her hair. There are numerous air bubbles, large air bubbles, along the inside of the left leg, and he's missing a foot, which I never noticed.

Man, the cast was so bad it even changed Leliths gender!

I purchased my first finecast just yesterday - Urien Rakarth. After i got it home (not even out of the packaging yet) i noticed that a large portion of the right side of his jacket was missing, and that parts of the left side were cast so thin they were almost transparent. Thankfully the black shirt at my store is pretty cool, so getting an exchange shouldnt be a problem.

So given that reports of poor quality and miscast Finecast products are still appearing, does this scotch GW's assertion that the quality would improve over time, I wonder?

That is to say, are GW to right to suggest that it is a temporary QA problem rather than inherent flaws in the process? Or is it still to early to make that call? Does anyone here have manufacturing experience and give a judgement on how long one would expect a new line and process to 'shake out' and be consistent?