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**Xca|iber**

Oh, missed that bit.

**ArbitorIan**

insaniak wrote:
Oshova wrote:That's not even interpretted any other way. That just makes plane sense to me. Otherwise you could hide your TFC in a unit . . . =p

I suspect you misunderstood...

The TFC rules say that the Tech doesn't benefit from the IC rule unless the cannon is destroyed. The obvious intention of that is that he doesn't count as an IC while the cannon is around, but becomes one (like any other Techmarine) once it is destroyed. The problem is that he doesn't actually have the IC rule (It's not included in his army list entry as it is for regular techmarines) and the rules don't specifically say that he gains it when the cannon is destroyed.

So he can't benefit from the IC rule when the cannon is around (because the rules say so) but he also can't benefit from it when the cannon is destroyed (because he doesn't have it).

This is going in. Fantastic.

Come on, insaniak, you have special mod superpowers, right?
You can sticky things, right?
You love this thread and all the good it's doing, right?

**Rube**

ArbitorIan wrote:This is going in. Fantastic.

Come on, insaniak, you have special mod superpowers, right?
You can sticky things, right?
You love this thread and all the good it's doing, right?

If you sticky this thread, can we also get a thread stickied called 'Fun List of RAI Fun' which explains how you play by RaI (in similar exaggerated fashion)? Although I imagine it'd be pretty short, just one line; 'ignore the rules in favor of whatever you think the author actually intended'.

**J.Black**

It's a good job that codex trumps rulebook; the BRB lists the Waveserpent's front armour value as 2!

**Oshova**

Wow! Instant penetrating hits from any weapon =] lol

Oshova

**nosferatu1001**

J.Black wrote:It's a good job that codex trumps rulebook; the BRB lists the Waveserpent's front armour value as 2!

Only in that *Specific* section does codex automatically trump the rulebook.

Otherwise the concept you are looking for is "specific > general", which is *often* but not *always* the codex beating the rulebook.

**cmac**

Rube wrote:
ArbitorIan wrote:
If you sticky this thread, can we also get a thread stickied called 'Fun List of RAI Fun' which explains how you play by RaI (in similar exaggerated fashion)? Although I imagine it'd be pretty short, just one line; 'ignore the rules in favor of whatever you think the author actually intended'.

That too would be cool. Basically, it would be fun to print out the OP and take it with my in my rules just in case I strike an awkward player in a social game (generally not the regular opponents).

**In_Theory**

Necrons - We'll Be Back
The rule asks you to lay the models over to represent the rule, prior to the next turn when they're allowed rolls.

This is conflicted with the Wobbly Model Rule.
The models can then be removed.

Due to the RAW of WBB- We'll Be Back just removes your models from the table... We'll Be Back then looks for the model to still be around to stand back up, but can't because it's no longer on the table.
Also- models that die further cannot count the "laying down" models to also gain WBB chances- because the models aren't within the distance.

**nosferatu1001**

Except Wobbly Model tells you to put the model back whenever you need to interact with it.

Nice try but silly RAW fail

**In_Theory**

Would simply checking to see if any like models in a range count as interacting with the model?
Interact = "To act on another"

While measuring to could be construed as interaction, you're not actually acting on the models like shooting or assaulting.

**nosferatu1001**

Well, given you are told to measure from / to the model, you are most definitely interacting with it.

**Macok**

J.Black wrote:It's a good job that codex trumps rulebook; the BRB lists the Waveserpent's front armour value as 2!

OMG where is it?

**Seriphis**

Macok wrote:
J.Black wrote:It's a good job that codex trumps rulebook; the BRB lists the Waveserpent's front armour value as 2!

OMG where is it?

in the profiles at the back of the bgb... 104

**insaniak**

ArbitorIan wrote:Come on, insaniak, you have special mod superpowers, right?
You can sticky things, right?
You love this thread and all the good it's doing, right?

I think the thread's mildly amusing for what it is. I don't think it needs preserving for posterity... that's likely to give some people the wrong idea.

**Krellnus**

But it's educational!

**HoverBoy**

Ok insaniak, how bout a deal:
If this thread stays on page one till april 20th, youll admit its here to stay and sticky it.

**Volkov**

Ok I got two

-Forget Master of the Forge not bolstering defenses because he isn't a techmarine. Lysander also has bolster defenses and he sure as hell isn't a techmarine
-Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Scout sentinels get no benefit from Move through cover as it states units of infantry...

**FlingitNow**

-Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Scout sentinels get no benefit from Move through cover as it states units of infantry...

Walkers move exactly as infantry though so it does still work for them.

However how about:

You can never make your move for the scouts ability during any of the standard missions. They all detail deployment then you deploy infiltrators and make Scout moves which presumably refers to the special rule Wolf Scouts have that is as yet undefined and then you start the game hence you never get the chance to make your Scouts move...

**DarkHound**

Has anyone mentioned that if you run Dark Angels with Scout Marine Bikers, even your opponent isn't allowed to turbo-boost during the Scout move (ignoring the fact that you can't Scout move)?

**Krellnus**

FlingitNow wrote:
-Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Scout sentinels get no benefit from Move through cover as it states units of infantry...

Walkers move exactly as infantry though so it does still work for them.

Wrong, the rule specifies units of the Infantry type, so no walkers

DarkHound wrote:Has anyone mentioned that if you run Dark Angels with Scout Marine Bikers, even your opponent isn't allowed to turbo-boost during the Scout move (ignoring the fact that you can't Scout move)?

I think it has...

**FlingitNow**

Wrong, the rule specifies units of the Infantry type, so no walkers

I think you'll find even if it said that it would not matter as all movement rules that apply to unit type infantry apply to Walkers as they are treated like infantry for movement so this argument doesn't work. However the actual rules states this:

BRB pg75 wrote: Units with this rule roll an extra D6 when rolling to move through difficult terrain.

Infantry are mentioned in the previous sentence but this sentence does not reference that sentence or it's mention of infantry.

**HoverBoy**

Ok on topic. I was reading the paroxysm rule just now and noticed it says the power is in effect till the Tyrants next turn, so if said tyrant is killed and gets no next turn paroxysm is prolonged indeffynetly, or till the next game he gets a turn.

Imagine.
Player 1: And my TH/SS termies are WS & BS 1.
Player 2:Why?
Player 1: Got paroxysmed last game then beat the tyrant, nid dude hasn't played since...

**Oshova**

Now that is an uber power! lol

Oshova

**ihatehumans**

Stealth on vehicles doesn't work, ala Camo Netting IG?

For the same reason that the SW 5+ cover save doesn't work on vehicles?

I'm not RAW fanatical or non-lazy enough to look it up, but seems like a possibility (not to mention a chunk of points that get you nothing

).

**Gwar!**

ihatehumans wrote:Stealth on vehicles doesn't work, ala Camo Netting IG?

For the same reason that the SW 5+ cover save doesn't work on vehicles?

I'm not RAW fanatical or non-lazy enough to look it up, but seems like a possibility (not to mention a chunk of points that get you nothing ).

No, completely wrong.

All Stealth does is improve a cover save by 1, it doesn't matter what kind if cover save it is.

The reason Storm Caller doesn't work on vehicles is because it doesn't obscure anything.

**In_Theory**

Nobody can ever play a game of Warhammer unless their name is "Player", "Attacker", or "Defender".

**IggyEssEmManlyMan**

Assumming you're like me and my FLGS players and view FAQs as garbage and never use them, powerfists and claws dont work versus a monolith.

**nosferatu1001**

IggyEssEmManlyMan wrote:Assumming you're like me and my FLGS players and view FAQs as garbage and never use them, powerfists and claws dont work versus a monolith.

Wrong, the unmodified Strength of the *powerfist* is 2S(model), therefore powerfists DO work.

all the FAQ did was clarifiy that yes, WEAPON really did mean WEAPON.

**cmac**

In_Theory wrote:Nobody can ever play a game of Warhammer unless their name is "Player", "Attacker", or "Defender".

Heh, that's funny.

As an aside, I have found in business that "Wrong" being replaced by "What I think you might be missing" works better for me.

**Nightwatch**

If a Battlesuit taking drones is killed in the movement phase due to tank shock, dangerous terrain, etc, the game breaks because the drones are removed when the model with the drone controller is removed in the "shooting or assault phase".
EDIT: minor clarity issues.