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Always good to see a shooty special character, since they're usually melee monsters. I also like that he can Legolas people at point-blank range. And I love the unique command squad -- I think we need way more of that kind of customization.

My one complaint is that representing marksmanship by increasing maximum range just feels odd to me. Perhaps he can gain +1 BS or count as twin-linked when stationary instead? (With his master-crafted bolter, TL means he goes from rerolling one miss to rerolling all misses).

Costing is always tricky -- do you have a breakdown of how you did it?

For point's, I based it off FW's Lias Issodon, who's pretty similar in build and costed (a little under IMO) 175.

Link to FW's Characters: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/C/Charcterupdate.pdf

Perth's not as good as Issodon so I figured 175 was fair.

As for the range thing, I see that as a similar situation as a modern Sniper vs modern Infantry. The sniper is able to get a longer effective range on a bullet with near the same velocity due to accounting for travel time, bullet drop, and wind conditions. Of course this takes focus, which is why he must be stationary.

After nitpicking other people's ideas, now with fear and trembling I present two of my own -- special characters for my Sororitas fandex/expandex. To balance out the official Codex's crazy old man (Uriah) and "so pure her feet don't touch the ground" girl martyr (Celestine), I wrote up a cold, calculating, strategic bitch and a decent, humble, plainspoken woman who will fething END you.

(Crossposted with my fandex thread; feel free to comment either place -- I love feedback whatever the forum).


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Preceptress JEHANNE: 200 points
The humble, brutal heir of Saint Praxedes
WS:5 BS:5 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:4 A:3 Ld:10 Sv:3+/3++


Design notes:



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Canoness-Marshal Minerva: 200 points
Will of iron, heart of ice
WS:5 BS:5 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:4 A:3 Ld:10 Sv:3+/4++



Design notes:

I always enjoy reading your lore, SisterSydney,and "cold, calculating, strategic bitch and a decent, humble, plainspoken woman who will fething END you" are two of my most favourite character archetypes ever. These are exactly the kind of interesting characters that the Sisters book (and model range) needs and deserves.

I would be happy to see either one across the table from me. If I actually ever found a Sisters player that is.

Thanks, guys.

Here's another Idea I had, this time for the Loyalists.

Chaplain Makov, Chaplain of the Carchardorons.

Unlike other chaplains of his chapter, Makov refuses to stay on the ship when it comes time for war. He deploys with the rank and file, driving them on to greater acts of butchery in the name of the Emperor. When not on the field he drives all around him to preform thier duties better and better, from the Techmarines maintaning equipment to the lowliest of serfs cleaning the halls. Chaplain Makov expects the best from everyone around him. In battle he forgoes the usual Crozius arcanum in favor of a masterfully made relic sword. This has put him at odds with other chaplains, even within his own chapter. However the men he serves beside on the ground embrace his attitude of using the best tool for the job. Even The Red Wake himself has made note of this young chaplain and his great impact of the field of battle.

WS 5 BS 4 S 4(6) T 4 W 3 I 4 A 2 LD 10 Sv 3+

Wargear:
Relic Sword - S +2 - AP 2 - Melee, Two Handed, Master Crafted
Master Crafted Bolt Pistol
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
Rosarius

Special Rules:
Chapter Tactics (Carcharodons)
Independant Character
Zealot
Crusader

Ghazghkull Thraka's twin
Same stats a Thraka, except with 3 wounds and he is the second prophet of the Waagh!

I thought I would give it a shot. This is the guy I imagine leading my chapter after "forging the narrative" for a few campaigns. I don't know what point value to cost him, but I imagine he'd be pretty up there. I wanted to make a character that would make units like footslogging honour guard or vanguard veterans a viable choice.



Chapter Master Habitus of the Immortal Swords-

Habitus is the last surviving member of "The Wreathed," a heroic trio of marines that saved the world of Brutus II from annihilation by toppling the Daemon An'Korrath. Habitus bore the brunt of the Daemon's furious attack on his storm shield, enabling his brothers to make the killing blow. Each of The Wreathed served their time as Chapter Master, but their reigns were short and disastrous. Habitus is determined not to make the same mistakes. Though not a particularly brilliant tactician, Habitus has the tenacity of a glacier, and his unwavering nerve in the face of danger is an inspiration to the men at his command.


Chapter Master Habitus

WS 6 BS 5 S 4 T 4 W 4 I 5 A 4 LD 10 Sv 2+

Special Rules:

Eternal Warrior
ATSKNF
Chapter Tactics
No Foe is Too Great- Habitus and his unit will always wound or glance in close combat on a roll of a 6.

Warlord Trait: Immovable Object

Wargear: relic blade, artificer armor, frag grenades, krak grenades, Iron Halo, bolt pistol.

Relics: Wall of Diantus- A storm shield. Models in the same unit as Habitus receive a 4+ invulnerable save.

I like everything but the shield, I think that's a little too much.

Perhaps something like this,

Wall of Diantus: Storm Shield that grants the following: For each hit scored against a model in Chapter Master Habitus's unit, you may roll a d6. On a 2+, the attack is blocked by Habitus and is instead allocated to him. Habitus may only attempt to block shooting attacks from a single unit per phase, but may attempt to block any number of attacks. In assault, Habitus may attempt to block any attack allocated at his unit, regardless of it's source.

Or a simpler option would be,

Wall of Diantus: Friendly models in base contact with Habitus also receive a 3+ invulnerable save.

As for the price, a base CM with his gear is 225. The rules would push him into the 250-300 range. 275 sounds fair to me, but I'd always aim high when making custom characters, so 300 would probably go over smoothest.

Wounding or glancing on a 6 might not sound that strong, but even with a squad of Tacs, statistically that's 4.166 glances on the charge vs AV 14, so more often than not it'll wreck even a Land Raider.

Still, he's a cool unit and I like tanky SM characters.

I love the fluff and I love characters who buff their whole unit (or multiple units), so I like the shield, but costing it is tricky.

4++ for the whole unit is almost as good giving every model a Storm Shield, but without giving up the ability to wield a second close combat weapon. You don't have quite as good a save, but you can gain an extra CCW, which roughly balances out. Arguably it's worth at least 10 points per model in the unit (based on the cost Veterans pay for a Storm Shield). Assuming you max out his Honor Guard squad -- because, dude, otherwise you're doing it wrong -- that's 100 points for the shield alone!

If you make it just 3++ for "friendly models in base contact," as Perth suggests, that's on average maybe two models (one on either side), so a much more manageable 20 points -- on top of what the character pays for the regular Storm Shield.

Consider that Orks are able to give a 5+ invul save for all models within 6 inches of their Big Mek for 50 points. How does that tally compared to giving 4++ but only to a single unit?

Also consider that Orks are cheaper than Marines.

You could possibly make it something of a reverse "Look Out, Sir!" role. For each wound taken by his unit in the shooting phase (not to Habitus), roll a d6. On a 2+ (or 3+ or whatever, for balance), you may re-allocate that wound to Habitus, who gets a 2++ save against it (or 3++ or whatever). That allows for two rolls to work out the balance, instead of just one.

I like reverse LOS! Cool idea. But is it that different from ordinary tanking?

Thanks for the advice!


Reverse LoS would basically protect the unit from shots from the flank or rear, which would be good. It's still a bit complicated, though...what if the unit just received a 5++, would you think that was too absurd for the 250-275 range?

Here was one I had for awhile now;

Amongst the windswept deserts of Iragoth IV, legends of a lone Ork Warbiker have persisted for centuries on end. The myths surrounding this mysterious greenskin shrouds his identity, making him an enigma that haunts the desert sand. He rides atop a black motorbike, one that bears the fleshless heads of his victims and the scars of a lifetime of battle. With a black wide-brimmed hat perched on his head, his body swathed in his leather duster, and his boots adorned with golden spurs, he is a lone gunslinger that roams the dusty fields, Da Ork With No Name.


Da Ork With No Name
WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A3 Ld10 Sv 4+

Wargear: Warbike, Cybork Body, 'Eavy Armor

Relic: Da Deadeyes- A pair of kustom Sluggas. Are Assault 3* S4 Ap4, Rending, Shred and 8"
*Per gun, fires 6 shots in one turn

Special Rules;
Fearless
WAAAGH!
'Ere We Go
Skilled Rider
Crackshoota: Da Ork With No Name is the only Ork who actually knows how to use a gun in close combat, let alone aim one. When in an Assault, Da Ork With No Name uses the profile on his Deadeyes (Counts as dual-wielding)

I like Da Ork Wit No Name, only thing that stands out is the Cybork Body, who did that if he's such a loner?

Here's something a little different, an Eldar character.

Thalion Hathol, The Red Viper, Corsair Prince of the Flaming Blades

WS 7 BS 6 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 7 A 4 Ld 10 Sv 4+

Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character)

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Deep Strike, Wings of Fury, Arrogance, Lightning Reflexes.

Arrogance: Thalion must always issue and accept challenges.

Lightning Reflexes: Thalion has a 3+ invulnerable save when his Initiative is greater than 1.

Wings of Fury: If not deployed in a unit, Thalion may charge after arriving from Deep Strike.

Equipment: Shurikan Pistol, Swooping Hawk Wings, Mandiblasters, Haywire and Plasma Grenades, Sting of the Viper.

Sting of the Viper: Thalion wields a unique spear with the following profile, S User + 2 , AP 3, Two Handed, Master Crafted, Deathblow.

Deathblow: In a challenge, Thalion may lower both his Initiative and Attacks to 1 to use the following profile, S User x 3, AP 2, Two Handed, Master Crafted, Instant Death.


Not too sure on the price, he's pretty flashy but there's not much meat. I'm thinking 175, he's still T3 and doesn't have Eternal Warrior, also he has to ditch his invuln save to use Deathblow. Thoughts?

 skarnalaxwarlord wrote:
Here was one I had for awhile now;

Amongst the windswept deserts of Iragoth IV, legends of a lone Ork Warbiker have persisted for centuries on end. The myths surrounding this mysterious greenskin shrouds his identity, making him an enigma that haunts the desert sand. He rides atop a black motorbike, one that bears the fleshless heads of his victims and the scars of a lifetime of battle. With a black wide-brimmed hat perched on his head, his body swathed in his leather duster, and his boots adorned with golden spurs, he is a lone gunslinger that roams the dusty fields, Da Ork With No Name.


Da Ork With No Name
WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A3 Ld10 Sv 4+

Wargear: Warbike, Cybork Body, 'Eavy Armor

Relic: Da Deadeyes- A pair of kustom Sluggas. Are Assault 3* S4 Ap4, Rending, Shred and 8"
*Per gun, fires 6 shots in one turn

Special Rules;
Fearless
WAAAGH!
'Ere We Go
Skilled Rider
Crackshoota: Da Ork With No Name is the only Ork who actually knows how to use a gun in close combat, let alone aim one. When in an Assault, Da Ork With No Name uses the profile on his Deadeyes (Counts as dual-wielding)

I like the rules and I bet it'd make an amusing model. The only part that doesn't make sense to me is the warbike. I know it's a completely sweet piece of gear and it really helps him get in pistol range, but I just can't picture this Clint Eastwoork character riding a bike and doing his gunslinging (with both hands, mind you) from the saddle. I'd increase his guns range to 18'' and give him infiltrate or something. Fits his whole mysterious air. I'd also make him super cheap.

Lord of War Slot
Base size: 28mm infantry base

Name: Kratos, God of Infinite Combo's
2000pts
ws9 bs1 S6 T6 w20 i6 a30 sv2+/2++

special rules: fnp2+, x5 iwnd2+, furious charge, rage, Prefered enemy (anything bigger than it), fleet, cavalry, jump infantry, deny the witch, eternal warrior, fearless, independent character, lone warrior/wolf.

wargear:
lvl10 Blades of Chaos; rending, for each to hit of 6, add another d6 to attack.
lvl10 Golden fleece (the armor/invul save, quintuple iwnd)

is 2000pts too few?

 Filch wrote:
Lord of War Slot
Base size: 28mm infantry base

Name: Kratos, God of Infinite Combo's
2000pts
ws9 bs1 S6 T6 w20 i6 a30 sv2+/2++

special rules: fnp2+, x5 iwnd2+, furious charge, rage, Prefered enemy (anything bigger than it), fleet, cavalry, jump infantry, deny the witch, eternal warrior, fearless, independent character, lone warrior/wolf.

wargear:
lvl10 Blades of Chaos; rending, for each to hit of 6, add another d6 to attack.
lvl10 Golden fleece (the armor/invul save, quintuple iwnd)

is 2000pts too few?

Just..... lol

 Lord Blackscale wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Lord of War Slot
Base size: 28mm infantry base

Name: Kratos, God of Infinite Combo's
2000pts
ws9 bs1 S6 T6 w20 i6 a30 sv2+/2++

special rules: fnp2+, x5 iwnd2+, furious charge, rage, Prefered enemy (anything bigger than it), fleet, cavalry, jump infantry, deny the witch, eternal warrior, fearless, independent character, lone warrior/wolf.

wargear:
lvl10 Blades of Chaos; rending, for each to hit of 6, add another d6 to attack.
lvl10 Golden fleece (the armor/invul save, quintuple iwnd)

is 2000pts too few?

Just..... lol

Nearly a decade ago when I first played God of War and later played wh40k, I always wanted to create a Kratos model for my Chaos space marine army and make him my lord.

While I myself have been playing and making models for about four years now, I still have no idea how balancing works in this game, so bear with me here. In addition this is a squad, and not a character, so please re-direct me if I'm in the wrong thread.

My main army, the IG, I've always painted and modeled as Gue'Vesa, humans in the Tau Empire. However, I've always felt that the IG codex doesn't suit the fluff behind Gue'Vesa forces (and FW Gue'Vesa being garbage). They're supposed to be hardened veterans from the Damocles Crusade, slowly adjusting to their new way of waging war. As a result, myself and some fellow 40k players came up with the following stat line for Crusade Gue'vesa:



And that's about it. Basically, they're standard IG Veterans with lower Ld, permanent Carapace, and better basic equipment. The reasons behind this are as follows: The Ld is lowered, as I doubt a Tau-aligned human is nearly as motivated as his loyalist counterpart. The permanent Carapace is because it isn't implausible to think that they've augmented their regular armor. Lastly, their equipment is slightly more efficient as the likelihood of the Earth Caste messing around with Imperial equipment to see if they can make it work a little better is rather promising. Well, maybe even outright producing their own versions without that superstitious Machine-Spirit silly talk. I've used them in games before, and they don't seem to be much better than regular veterans. They sit on objectives and die like any other guardsmen, and run away a lot quicker.

So, what do you people think? Overpriced and useless? Terrible idea? Wrong thread? Lemme know.

 797th Red Tigers wrote:
While I myself have been playing and making models for about four years now, I still have no idea how balancing works in this game, so bear with me here. In addition this is a squad, and not a character, so please re-direct me if I'm in the wrong thread.

My main army, the IG, I've always painted and modeled as Gue'Vesa, humans in the Tau Empire. However, I've always felt that the IG codex doesn't suit the fluff behind Gue'Vesa forces (and FW Gue'Vesa being garbage). They're supposed to be hardened veterans from the Damocles Crusade, slowly adjusting to their new way of waging war. As a result, myself and some fellow 40k players came up with the following stat line for Crusade Gue'vesa:

Spoiler:

110pts

1 Gue'Vesa Sergeant
9 Gue'Vesa

WS:3 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:1 I:3 A:1 Ld:6(7 for sergeants) Sv: 4+

Wargear:
Carapace Armour
Augmented Lasgun: R:30" S:3 AP:6 T:RF
EMP and Defensive Grenades

Options:
(Defer to standard Veteran Squad table(May not take Doctrines))

And that's about it. Basically, they're standard IG Veterans with lower Ld, permanent Carapace, and better basic equipment. The reasons behind this are as follows: The Ld is lowered, as I doubt a Tau-aligned human is nearly as motivated as his loyalist counterpart. The permanent Carapace is because it isn't implausible to think that they've augmented their regular armor. Lastly, their equipment is slightly more efficient as the likelihood of the Earth Caste messing around with Imperial equipment to see if they can make it work a little better is rather promising. Well, maybe even outright producing their own versions without that superstitious Machine-Spirit silly talk. I've used them in games before, and they don't seem to be much better than regular veterans. They sit on objectives and die like any other guardsmen, and run away a lot quicker.

So, what do you people think? Overpriced and useless? Terrible idea? Wrong thread? Lemme know.

I think it would've been slightly more on topic if you'd posted it in the Custom Units Thread. Otherwise, seems suitably fluffy. Though I'd keep it to BS: 3 with the ability for Supporting Fire and to benefit from Marker Lights than having BS: 4.

mr. peasant wrote:
I think it would've been slightly more on topic if you'd posted it in the Custom Units Thread. Otherwise, seems suitably fluffy. Though I'd keep it to BS: 3 with the ability for Supporting Fire and to benefit from Marker Lights than having BS: 4.

Right, thanks. I'll switch on over there.

As four your BS:4 concern, this unit is supposed to be a replacement for Veterans in the IG codex, and not an addition to the Tau Codex. So unless there's been a rule change in regards to allies and Markerlights that I'm not aware of, this unit cannot benefit from them.

My character is military commander of all forces from Brittania, my fictional home world for my Guard army, based off the UK, with closer ties to England than the other countries.
The reason he has high strength and toughness is because he has large amounts of augments replacing lost body bits.
Field Marshall Lush of His Holy Majesty's 1st Brittanic Army EDIT!! 300 points Lord of war
He must have a company command squad with a heavy flamer, banner, medipack, and vox caster, and he replaces the role of Company Commander.
Regimental advisers may be taken, as well as other upgrades that do not affect those listed. Company command squad, upgrades and optional upgrades must be paid for separately. END EDIT!!!

WS 5 BS 5 S 5 T 5 W 3 I 4 A 3 LD 10

Wargear
Deathmask of Churchill (Functions as a deathmask of ollanius pius)
Power sword
Bolt pistol of the Ancients (S5, AP3, rending, assault 2, range 18)
Royal Plate (grants 3+ save and a 6+ cover)

Special rules
FNP 4+
Rage
Lush's tactical genius (D6 units have the infiltrate and outflank rules)
Preferred enemy Chaos
Eternal warrior
Inspiring presence (all Astra Millitarum units with TLOS may use this unit's LD of 10)
Field Marshall (Can issue 4 orders a turn, must be warlord)

The idea of someone with a face like Churchill charging into battle is an entertaining one.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
My character is military commander of all forces from Brittania, my fictional home world for my Guard army, based off the UK, with closer ties to England than the other countries.
The reason he has high strength and toughness is because he has large amounts of augments replacing lost body bits.
Field Marshall Lush of His Holy Majesty's 1st Brittanic Army 175 points
Can be taken instead of a company commander.
WS 5 BS 5 S 5 T 5 W 3 I 4 A 3 LD 10

Wargear
Deathmask of Churchill (Functions as a deathmask of ollanius pius)
Power sword
Bolt pistol of the Ancients (S5, AP3, rending, assault 2, range 18)
Royal Plate (grants 3+ save and a 6+ cover)

Special rules
FNP 4+
Rage
Lush's tactical genius (D6 units have the infiltrate and outflank rules)
Preferred enemy Chaos
Eternal warrior
Inspiring presence (all Astra Millitarum units with TLOS may use this unit's LD of 10)
Field Marshall (Can issue 4 orders a turn, must be warlord)

I think you are at least 30 points too short on him. He is far and above a better character than anything in the AM codex. His stats are better than a Space Marine CHapter Master, he has items better than any relic in the corresponding codex, and has rules for supierior than most named characters. I may even have counted short when I figured it out. I had to look through the AM, C:SM, and Inquisition codexi to try and find rules and items that fit. I think it is a cool idea, and a nice character, but vastly under costed. Maybe someone with better knowledge of game balance can weigh in on it.

What an utterly broken and horrendously overpowered character, Creed. Not to be blunt, but what the hell? He fights as well as Chapter Masters, he's more durable than Chapter Masters, and he can outflank up to 6 units? For 175 points?

Are you freaking serious with this?

 curran12 wrote:
What an utterly broken and horrendously overpowered character, Creed. Not to be blunt, but what the hell? He fights as well as Chapter Masters, he's more durable than Chapter Masters, and he can outflank up to 6 units? For 175 points?

Are you freaking serious with this?

I was trying to be less...err.. harsh. lol Upon further review I would put this guy in the ~300 point LoW area. Again, like the idea, but way too much of everything. Mind shering how you came to the point total you used?

curran12 wrote:What an utterly broken and horrendously overpowered character, Creed. Not to be blunt, but what the hell? He fights as well as Chapter Masters, he's more durable than Chapter Masters, and he can outflank up to 6 units? For 175 points?
Are you freaking serious with this?

Lord Blackscale wrote:I was trying to be less...err.. harsh. lol Upon further review I would put this guy in the ~300 point LoW area. Again, like the idea, but way too much of everything. Mind shering how you came to the point total you used?

Well, I was kind of coming from the idea of, err, erm, well, he is fairly priced because, he, umm, isn't T6 and can be instakilled?

I see what you're getting at, I've changed it now. I have a low point mentality for some reason.