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kenshin620 wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

True enough. All the more reason GW should focus on Xenos flyers and stick with the Stormraven for Marines (rather than develop another, non-Stormraven Marine-flyer).

Not even a plastic thunderhawk?

They may or maynot do a plastic thunderhawk as they did a Baneblade or Ork Stompa; not least because an "anniversary year" like 2012 will allow plenty of opportunities to do "special stuff": I kinda doubt however, any of those will become "regular" Codex Units however.

Omegus wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't really argue with Kan about Dark Angels. They are his super favorite Chapter, and he refuses to listen to anything remotely negative about them regardless of what may be written where. Which is his prerogative, I suppose.

They're my super duper favoritest, too, and I've been playing them just as long(if not longer) than him. I've even gone through and named every single Dark Angel I own, which includes the entire(painted!) 4th Company(even naming a new Master of the 4th, since ours got stolen by the Ravenwing in the current book) and 1/4 of the Deathwing and Scout Companies. I'm even a member of the New Orleans "we're building the entire DA Chapter" Brigade. If anyone's qualified to argue DA with him, it's me.

Oh, and Ozymandias, too. Man's a complete nutter about DA.

Platuan4th wrote:

Omegus wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't really argue with Kan about Dark Angels. They are his super favorite Chapter, and he refuses to listen to anything remotely negative about them regardless of what may be written where. Which is his prerogative, I suppose.

They're my super duper favoritest, too, and I've been playing them just as long(if not longer) than him. I've even gone through and named every single Dark Angel I own, which includes the entire(painted!) 4th Company(even naming a new Master of the 4th, since ours got stolen by the Ravenwing in the current book) and 1/4 of the Deathwing and Scout Companies. I'm even a member of the New Orleans "we're building the entire DA Chapter" Brigade. If anyone's qualified to argue DA with him, it's me.

Oh, and Ozymandias, too. Man's a complete nutter about DA.

Do you all have a secret handshake?

Zweischneid wrote:Not sure what you are talking about. Infact, when Codex Angels of Death was originally published, they poached ALOT of stuff that was previously exclusive to other books. Say, Landspeeders, Attack Bikes or Veteran Squads for example. Clearly, Dark Angels should give them back. Oh, and Terminator Armour too. They were published first not in a Dark Angel book, so they should rightfully be exclusive to the Codex that published them first.

Since you're not sure what I'm talking about let me elaborate:
Having a Dreadnought available only to us in fluff yet everyone but us in gameplay.
Disappearing of all SCs and rules with each codex while some chapters getting one step closer to having SC servitor with special rules.
Seeing your scout SC killed of then his reincarnation in the Ultramarines Codex.
People trying to grab our few remaining defining traits.
Trying to justify having our own codex by pointing our exclusive stuff.
And getting called exclusivity fetishist for that.
Briefly this is the situation me and other DA players in and I was making a joke about this misfortune. I'm not asking anything back just saying no more sharing, so chill out for a bit.

I may not be a DA player, but can I just say that I hope that Cypher reappears in the new book.

Aye, I'd like to see him back as well. Not sure if I'd prefer him in the Dark Angels book, or Chaos book mind. A fun concept (I can't see GW doing, but it'd be amusing) would be if he was in both.

Cypher never really "left" the Dark Angels book. He's still, fluffwise, in there.

He was in the Chaos book, so it'd be the appropriate place for him to be...

Kanluwen wrote:Cypher never really "left" the Dark Angels book. He's still, fluffwise, in there.

He was in the Chaos book, so it'd be the appropriate place for him to be...

Hasn't there been a new cypher model spotted some time ago?

From things I have read / heard the fallen will be in the DA book

I wouldn't mind seeing my hoodie marines make a comeback. If they were going for a mass chaplain mechanic, it would probably be akin to Sanguinary Priests in the BA dex.

It would be great to at least see the return of the 'specialist characters' Belial and Sammael, even better to see a Belial model.

A special plasma Vindicator/Predator...probably with some nasty 'cleanse the sinner' name like redemptor or absolutor or burninator (that last is just for lols). I have sudden visions of the business ends of two venerable dread plasma cannons poking out of a seige shield.

All that being said, this is all still rumors. Maybe we'll get lucky here, maybe not.

CT GAMER wrote:

Do you all have a secret handshake?

Wouldn't the Inquisition like to know?

We also don't do it in dres... I mean robes.

Kanluwen wrote:Cypher never really "left" the Dark Angels book. He's still, fluffwise, in there.

He was in the Chaos book, so it'd be the appropriate place for him to be...

If the Chaos book is Renegades, rather than Legions, then he fits there. Otherwise, I think he'd fit better in the DA book.

But that's just me.

Platuan4th wrote:

Oh, and Ozymandias, too. Man's a complete nutter about DA.

Though I'm on record as admitting I'd be ok if they got rolled in to normal SM's (as long as we can still build DA-style armies, DW and RW).

I have the complete 5th Company, though I didn't name every dude, just every Sgt...

Wulfe Luer wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing my hoodie marines make a comeback. If they were going for a mass chaplain mechanic, it would probably be akin to Sanguinary Priests in the BA dex.

What is it with all the ideas of DA having chaplains galore, that would be more along a BT line. It has already been said multiple times it really just dosent make sence, a chaplain is there to Interrogate the Fallen and make sure he is captured. So unles there was a group of fallen in the same place at the same time who once captured all needed to be interrogated at the same time there would be no need for such a thing.

As for a comeback with special characters i would like to see a rules revamp on Belial and Sammael

Cain wrote:

Wulfe Luer wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing my hoodie marines make a comeback. If they were going for a mass chaplain mechanic, it would probably be akin to Sanguinary Priests in the BA dex.

What is it with all the ideas of DA having chaplains galore, that would be more along a BT line. It has already been said multiple times it really just dosent make sence, a chaplain is there to Interrogate the Fallen and make sure he is captured. So unles there was a group of fallen in the same place at the same time who once captured all needed to be interrogated at the same time there would be no need for such a thing.

As for a comeback with special characters i would like to see a rules revamp on Belial and Sammael

Well, lets see. We have the uniquely named and characterful Interrogator-Chaplain who play a large role in our chapter's fluff, in 2nd Edition we had no less than two Chaplain characters (Asmodai and Sapphon), and every single one of our codices since 1999 has featured a Chaplain front and center in the art. Our Chaplains are a unique feature of our army and one that bears more looking in to. So sorry to say, but the Chaplain thing is another one of those things BTs were late to the party on (like the Knight theme).

Also, keep in mind that Interrogator-Chaplains (like the Deathwing) aren't only there for the Fallen. Fallen are rare and so they have a plethora of other duties. More than any other chapter the Interrorgator-Chaplains are very interested in the loyalty of their brethren. They are the ones who decide when a Company Veteran is ready to progress on to becoming a Deathwing and when a member of the Deathwing is ready to pass in to the Inner Circle. In a way they are a lot like Commissars of the Chapter and it would be interesting to see their role as morale officers and objects of fear played up more in the next codex.

Also, remember that BT use their Chaplains different than the Dark Angels, so they can still have a Chaplain focus but it will be wholly different than what you see with the Dark Angels. BT Templars are your usual fire and brimstone preachers leading the troops to new heights of zeal. Interrogator-Chaplains are shadowy figures who keep balance in the chapter and make sure everyone remains loyal to their cause.

Ozymandias wrote:
I have the complete 5th Company, though I didn't name every dude, just every Sgt...

We still need to roll someone with dual Companies if I move back.

Also, we need to get in some more DA ass-kicking together in Space Marine.

no offence, but i dont seea reason why they have their own codex. they are jsut ordinary marines in all fairness

The Son Of Russ wrote:no offence, but i dont seea reason why they have their own codex. they are jsut ordinary marines in all fairness

So were BA and SW until they received their updated codex's....I'm not sure how often THAT needs to be said.

The Son Of Russ wrote:no offence, but i dont seea reason why they have their own codex. they are jsut ordinary marines in all fairness

Minus the fact that they are like Arthurian knights, have tremendous amounts of terminators and bikes, and lots of plasma. Oh and the fact that they had a huge rift in their legion that turned their whole chapter into a hunting force which makes them deviate tremendously from the index astartes. If you're going to find a thread to troll do it somewhere else and in a much less obvious way.

Cain wrote:

What is it with all the ideas of DA having chaplains galore, that would be more along a BT line. It has already been said multiple times it really just dosent make sence, a chaplain is there to Interrogate the Fallen and make sure he is captured. So unles there was a group of fallen in the same place at the same time who once captured all needed to be interrogated at the same time there would be no need for such a thing.

I find your lack of faith in GW's ability to retcon fluff and shoehorn new ideas into chapters disturbing...

I wouldn't be surprised if you get units of chaplain dreadnoughts riding giant tigers tbh...

The Son Of Russ wrote:no offence, but i dont seea reason why they have their own codex. they are jsut ordinary marines in all fairness

The days of Chaos 3.5 are long gone

All about the money. Space Marines make the most, makes sense to make a lot of books for them

CT GAMER wrote:

Cain wrote:

What is it with all the ideas of DA having chaplains galore, that would be more along a BT line. It has already been said multiple times it really just dosent make sence, a chaplain is there to Interrogate the Fallen and make sure he is captured. So unles there was a group of fallen in the same place at the same time who once captured all needed to be interrogated at the same time there would be no need for such a thing.

I find your lack of faith in GW's ability to retcon fluff and shoehorn new ideas into chapters disturbing...

I wouldn't be surprised if you get units of chaplain dreadnoughts riding giant tigers tbh...

Once again:
Chaplains have long been a fixture of Dark Angels. Two Chaplain characters, albeit ones who were dropped from the Codex over the years.

Chaplains for Dark Angels works quite well, especially given the idea that they might be done in such a way that they become parted out to the rank and file squads.

Like i said, they'll get new NONE CHAPLAIN units similar to Warrior Priest in Empires....

Count on it. It wont be called chaplain, they'll have some fancy name.

Calling it now. Dark Angles have a zoo in the rock now, and keep a bunch of animals from their lost world. In this zoo is giant lions that they ride into battle.

Lockark wrote:Calling it now. Dark Angles have a zoo in the rock now, and keep a bunch of animals from their lost world. In this zoo is giant lions that they ride into battle.

Noooo it'll be jet bikes with Lion shoulder padded robed people!

I'm hoping for double-headed riding lions, with great black raven-wings sprouting from their backs. It'll be a new category -- Jump Cavalry -- and they'll be called Death Raven Plasma Lions. The robed Death Raven Plasma Lion Plains Knights riding them will have be armed with giant Death Raven Plasma Lion Hammer Swords.

Lockark wrote:Calling it now. Dark Angles have a zoo in the rock now, and keep a bunch of animals from their lost world. In this zoo is giant lions that they ride into battle.

I'd buy it.

Well if were calling things, then the dark angels will be receiving lion-dreads. They will be able to merge together to form a great lion-dread which will be the defender of the universe.

Don't worry GW would never do anything lame like that.

Worst we will get will be the storm lion drop ship.

Storm Lion Drop Ship! HA!

And Dreads with Lion Paws, the the Lion Guard with their Power Manes, and so on. They won't have scouts - they'll have Lion Cubs.

Lockark wrote:Calling it now. Dark Angles have a zoo in the rock now, and keep a bunch of animals from their lost world. In this zoo is giant lions that they ride into battle.

The idea is just as dumb as the Thunderwolf Cavalry, and those models turned out great, so it could work (even though it shouldn't).

We're going to have Thunderwolf and (something)lion races arent we

Which reminds me, should DA have any special rules against SW?

The last fluff incantation (that I can remember may be last codex) had them at the level of "begrudging respect" with the occaisional honor duel when they cross paths ... so I don't think that would really be necessary.

And also I have a thundercats joke around here somewhere let me find it ...