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said it before say it again.

Prpoper mortis dreads
Sternguard termies
NON-fearless ravenwing (fearless scouts is stupid)
updated character
swap special weapon for heavy weapon option
and some new units, like the inner circle knights

this is unrelated to the wishlist above.
I for one think BT have stolen alot of the thunder that DA should have had, DA were the original Space knights, all the effort that went into making BT should have gone into a conbined codex (for DA and BT), look at sword brethen for example, if you got rid of BT from everyones memory and said "Sword brethren are a DA unit) no one would bat an eyelid.

I like BT, i like the knight theme, but ever since they came out they have taken alot of the DA thunder

I for one think BT have stolen alot of the thunder that DA should have had, DA were the original Space knights, all the effort that went into making BT should have gone into a conbined codex (for DA and BT), look at sword brethen for example, if you got rid of BT from everyones memory and said "Sword brethren are a DA unit) no one would bat an eyelid.

For the life of me I cannot understand this thinking, even since second edition, sure the fluff calls them knights, and they used to do it back before the Lion left to become a primarch of the Emporer,.But they are one of the most shooty of the entire chapters now, the whole "Sword Brethren" for DA would just be foolish to begin with, BT makes for a far more effective melee version of the crusading paladins on foot, while DA are those that think, use horses, and typically are more medieval with their codes, laws, and rules rather than PRAY MAIM, BURN PRAY MAIM BURN

Hell, one of their 2nd edition rules was Intractable, preventing them from moving or assaulting, but gaining stubborn (Even their vehicles, with the exception of ravenwing)

Though I would love to see a dedicated melee ravenwing unit that could count as "knights"

and some new units, like the inner circle knights

Why would this happen, the Inner circle isn't exactly some knights errant that goes hunting, they are made up of masters, grandmasters, and interrogator chaplins, aka, the big leaders. It'd be like a chapter master having additional chapter masters in a command squad. (Though to be honest, it'd be cool to have a retinue made up of badasses like that)

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Hell, one of their 2nd edition rules was Intractable, preventing them from moving or assaulting, but gaining stubborn (Even their vehicles, with the exception of ravenwing)

Eh? Maybe Third Edition, but not Second. Deathwing were immune to psychology, but there was no 'Stubborn' rule at that time.

kenshin620 wrote:We're going to have Thunderwolf and (something)lion races arent we

Which reminds me, should DA have any special rules against SW?

Powerfists striking at normal int and any SW model get punched suffers instant death knockout.

Stickmonkey on Warseer's saying Chaos is next. Kroothawk just posted a thread about it.

Assuming that's true, what does that mean for the DA release? After 6th ed in SM's normal spot?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Why would this happen, the Inner circle isn't exactly some knights errant that goes hunting, they are made up of masters, grandmasters, and interrogator chaplins, aka, the big leaders. It'd be like a chapter master having additional chapter masters in a command squad. (Though to be honest, it'd be cool to have a retinue made up of badasses like that)

Isn't the entire deathwing in the inner circle? So then having an inner circle bodyguard would just be deathwing.

I don't know if it's been pointed out, but that is most definitely Azreal on the spine. Check the comparison http://www.3forint.com/2012/02/white-dwarf-spine-image.html

No, the DW are not in the Inner Circle. There are a limited number of individuals (Masters, Int. Chaplains, some Librarians) admitted to the Inner Circle.

Every advance in the Dark Angels brings you more info on the Fallen. The Inner Circle have the "complete" story (except fro one tidbit that gets added when you become Supreme Grand Master).

No, the DW are not in the Inner Circle. There are a limited number of individuals (Masters, Int. Chaplains, some Librarians) admitted to the Inner Circle.

Every advance in the Dark Angels brings you more info on the Fallen. The Inner Circle have the "complete" story (except fro one tidbit that gets added when you become Supreme Grand Master).

I have always wondered who tells the Supreme Grand Master the final tidbits. I assume it the watchers in the dark...that just gave me an idea those guys should be a Dark Angel unit. Like a sanctioned pysker battle squad!

I just hope they make Dark Angels a 'shooty' chapter. That is the way I have always played them since back in the good old days of 3rd where Intractable meant you had a 16% chance of not being able to move or assault. They have played out the assault variant space marine chapters.

I also have assumed the watchers are like

"hey come with us... we got a secret."

"oh well ok ... lead on!"

Ozymandias wrote:Stickmonkey on Warseer's saying Chaos is next. Kroothawk just posted a thread about it.

Assuming that's true, what does that mean for the DA release? After 6th ed in SM's normal spot?

I want to place a bet against him.

6th edition is next >:O

Oh and Lion Dreadknight

Talarn Blackshard wrote:I also have assumed the watchers are like

"hey come with us... we got a secret."

"oh well ok ... lead on!"

IIRC, the previous Grandmaster tells the incoming Grandmaster. What happens if the current SGM is killed before that I just don't know.

I for one hope that they don't explain who the Watchers are. Some things in 40K are only interesting because they are mysteries, and removing the mystery removes what makes them fun.

I would like a little bit of detail on exactly how the Watchers interact with the Dark Angels. Not necessarily a detailed background though....because right now I

A. Imagine them as Jawa's shouting "HOOTINI!!" everytime Azreal's Helmet makes a save.
or
B. Imagine them as Harry Potter house elves (insert multitudes of ridiculous situations here).

Ozymandias wrote:Stickmonkey on Warseer's saying Chaos is next. Kroothawk just posted a thread about it.

Assuming that's true, what does that mean for the DA release? After 6th ed in SM's normal spot?

Which, I hate to say it, lends credence to the speculation that the Dark Angels' Codex will be Codex: Space Marines.

If the dark angels codex went full on with the lion theme, then what's to stop them from taking this as a heavy support choice?

H.B.M.C. wrote:I for one hope that they don't explain who the Watchers are. Some things in 40K are only interesting because they are mysteries, and removing the mystery removes what makes them fun.

It's midichlorians, innit?

MightyGodzilla wrote:
A. Imagine them as Jawa's shouting "HOOTINI!!" everytime Azreal's Helmet makes a save.

It's Utini, not Hootini. Just sos ya know.

Also, Jawas keep ripping us off on our Droi... I mean Dreadnoughts.

Dok wrote:If the dark angels codex went full on with the lion theme, then what's to stop them from taking this as a heavy support choice?

Spoiler:

That was great. Imagine taking them idividually they are a FA choice, when they join they become a HS choice. Well considering what happened with Tyranids, wouldn't they be an Elite choice? The RW squardron???

I like that idea, 5 special Elite RW squds.

You could totally have one in each slot.
Black lion = hq
Blue lion = elite
red lion = hs
Grren lion = FA
Yellow lion = troops

Ravenwing is clearly the black lion!

Dok wrote:You could totally have one in each slot.
Black lion = hq
Blue lion = elite
red lion = hs
Grren lion = FA
Yellow lion = troops

This doesn't quite match up right.

Yellow Lion should be Heavy support due to its back mounted Plasma Cannon.
Green Lion should be Troops. The Spike Turret was always a bit meh.
Red Lion should be Elite. Its Triple Barrel Gun is a bit more specialized that Green Lion's Turret Gun.
Blue Lion would be Fast Attack. Turret and claw missiles? Very Land Speeder Typhoon.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I for one hope that they don't explain who the Watchers are. Some things in 40K are only interesting because they are mysteries, and removing the mystery removes what makes them fun.

Like the Horus Heresy?

The Horus Heresy has not only removed mysteries, but at the same added new ones in its place. So it's fine there.

Though I'll be honest, I can't help but think the watchers are almost like Jawa's, they bring weapons, do menial tasks, and have potentially hidden awesome stuff.
I mean seriously, a 4++ save for an entire squad from a HELMET

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I for one think BT have stolen alot of the thunder that DA should have had, DA were the original Space knights, all the effort that went into making BT should have gone into a conbined codex (for DA and BT), look at sword brethen for example, if you got rid of BT from everyones memory and said "Sword brethren are a DA unit) no one would bat an eyelid.

For the life of me I cannot understand this thinking, even since second edition, sure the fluff calls them knights, and they used to do it back before the Lion left to become a primarch of the Emporer,.But they are one of the most shooty of the entire chapters now, the whole "Sword Brethren" for DA would just be foolish to begin with, BT makes for a far more effective melee version of the crusading paladins on foot, while DA are those that think, use horses, and typically are more medieval with their codes, laws, and rules rather than PRAY MAIM, BURN PRAY MAIM BURN

Hell, one of their 2nd edition rules was Intractable, preventing them from moving or assaulting, but gaining stubborn (Even their vehicles, with the exception of ravenwing)

Though I would love to see a dedicated melee ravenwing unit that could count as "knights"

and some new units, like the inner circle knights

Why would this happen, the Inner circle isn't exactly some knights errant that goes hunting, they are made up of masters, grandmasters, and interrogator chaplins, aka, the big leaders. It'd be like a chapter master having additional chapter masters in a command squad. (Though to be honest, it'd be cool to have a retinue made up of badasses like that)

inner circle knights dont have to be from the inner circle, they may be applicants being tested and sent to dangerous tasks and then if they survive they are inducted, they represent the inner circle.
now see how crap that reasoning is i just gave, now apply the same to thunderwolves, sanguanary guard...blood talons etc.
just because is hasn't been in the codex before does not mean it wont in the future.

im curious to know what second ed DA book you have read, as from what your saying thats 3rd, BT didnt really have a thing in 2nd, so yeah, I do think a conbined codex "knights" would have been better, as like it or not, they DO share
alot of the same themes

Ozymandias wrote:Stickmonkey on Warseer's saying Chaos is next. Kroothawk just posted a thread about it.

Assuming that's true, what does that mean for the DA release? After 6th ed in SM's normal spot?

Judging by the spine of the WDs I think that (Azrael) is ~1/3 done. So 6 more issues before it is complete which puts it at October in accordance with stickmonkeys rumour.

Well, considering the starter box is DA vs CSM, it isn't that absurd that they'd release these two armies close together to get people into them, similar to high elves. I don't recall when the skaven codex was released, but it was still usable at that point. With CSM and DA, that isn't the case. Both codexes are around the same age.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Well, considering the starter box is DA vs CSM, it isn't that absurd that they'd release these two armies close together to get people into them, similar to high elves. I don't recall when the skaven codex was released, but it was still usable at that point. With CSM and DA, that isn't the case. Both codexes are around the same age.

I don't think there was a new High Elves Army Book. It was just the minis in the box to go with the new Edition.

And for the WD-spine, I would think they keep it up to December. Makes sense to have one picture for one year, even if it's just an outstretched sword or something.

I'm hoping that the new DA codex is released this year if we are in fact included in the starter box, but if not then I'll keep chugging along with our old codex.

I just have a hard time visualizing the release schedule:

Marines - Chaos
6 Ed - Marines x2 Chaos and DA
Marines - DA

See a pattern? A whole year of MEQ???

I wants my DA book though too.