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**BlackTalos**

MacPhail wrote:

Celestine
Jacobus
5x BSS w/ Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Rhino
17x BSS w/ Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamer, Priest w/ Maul, Priest w/ Litanies
5x Doms w/ 3x melta, MM Immo, Laud Hailer
5x Doms w/ 3x melta, MM Immo, Laud Hailer
8x Seraphs w/ 2x Twin Hand Flamers
6x Rets w/ 4x HBs, Simulacrum
Exorcist
Exorcist

Looking good. I can understand the 3 x MeltaGuns rather than 4, but 4 will clear anything. They might not always face a Land raider where 1 Pen gets you a kill. Some enemies which would need 4+ Meltas:
- Imperial Knight
- Daemon Prince
- Baneblade
- Wraith Lord
etc

Did you say spare points? I'd want to see to big squad at 20, but as is looks good! Just play a few games and see what works well (or not).

deviantduck wrote:
MacPhail:
Bastion + Rets = Good times.

Also, Petre:
I'm waiting to see the legality of ICs and the Sky Hammer formation. Sticking celestine with some assault marines giving her drop and charge top of turn 1 goodness is... it's just neat.

There's a lengthy debate underway in YMDC atm.

pretre wrote:
My opinion is that it shouldn't be allowed, but we'll see.

It's one where the Rules say you can (i'm sure), but you'd really feel it shouldn't be allowed.
Kinda like keeping Celestine dead to not award a VP

Same feeling for both imo

"It's the Rules"

**pretre**

I don't think the rules are that clearcut.

**BlackTalos**

I still have to see a SM Codex..... But most of "Unit gets X when it does Y" in detachments apply to ICs. I just really hope they change that in an FAQ or something.....

**pretre**

BlackTalos wrote:
I still have to see a SM Codex..... But most of "Unit gets X when it does Y" in detachments apply to ICs. I just really hope they change that in an FAQ or something.....

It's not in the codex, it is a direct only formation with a bundle.

**BlackTalos**

Ah i see, thanks. The detachment Rules are messed-up though...

**Mavnas**

I think they're perfectly clear. Any IC attached to those units doesn't have a rule allowing a charge after deepstrike, therefore the whole unit can't charge.

You could pull off some stuff attaching a divination psyker to the devs and giving them ignores cover or whatnot.

**pretre**

Keep it to YMDC.

**deviantduck**

I am typically a fan of less rule mashing for super combos. But I am torn on the raw.

It depends on how you interpret:
ICs joining a unit become a part of that unit for all rules purposes
vs
ICs do not benefit from any special rules conferred to the unit they join.

**BlackTalos**

I'm just going to wait for the FAQ that says "Command Benefits do not confer to or are conferred from IC to a Unit"

It's needed.

Badly.

**PanzerLeader**

So what do you guys/girls think of this list for Wargamescon?

Sisters CAD
Celestine (Warlord)
5 Sisters, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Rhino
5 Sisters, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Rhino
5 Dominions, 4x Melta, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs, Immolator, Dozer Blade
5 Dominions, 4x Melta, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs, Immolator, Dozer Blade
5 Dominions, 4x Melta, Combi-Melta, Immolator, Dozer Blade
3x Exorcist

AM Allies
Company Command Squad, 4x Plasma, Chimera
Veterans, 3x Plasma, Chimera
2x Wyverns

Inquisition Detachment
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, Pssyoculum, Liber Heresius, 3x Servo Skulls

General plan is to support the dominions with the company command squad + inquisitor. This gives me 15 scouting melta weapons and 4 scouting plasma guns, all with the potential to ignore cover. I made Celestine the warlord since I lost the veteran dominions and laud hailers to squeeze it all in. The Pssyoculum will give the shooting a nice boost against psykers.

**quiestdeus**

If you turn the heavy flamers into regular flamers in the BSS, and drop the pair of melta-bombs you can get 2 Laud Hailers for the Dominion Immos. That bubble should be pretty sufficient.

I could see wanting to keep the HF though, so even if you just drop those 2 meltabombs and grab 1 Laud Hailer and continue to use Celestine as warlord, you should be in pretty solid shape.

**pretre**

This is solid, although I still think you need repressors.

**PanzerLeader**

pretre wrote:
This is solid, although I still think you need repressors.

Its pretty much a case of "play whats ready to go" since I fly down to TX on Friday. This army should let be do some nifty board control things though. I've figured out to how force enemy infiltrators into outflank/reserves now.

**MacPhail**

What do you all equip Superiors/Veteran Superiors with? The default models have bolters, but I have a few empty-handed conversions I want to finish up that could get pistols. Does anybody do BP/CCW for a cheap extra attack, or is the extra 24" long shot/12" rapid fire more useful?

Does it differ in the Jacobus+Priests blob seeking out combat with all those War Hymn buffs or in the Dominions who are up close so quickly?

**pretre**

I mostly do BP/CCW or leave them with BP/Bolter.

If they are doms, BP/Bolter. If they are BSS in a blob, BP/CCW.

**BlackTalos**

pretre wrote:
I mostly do BP/CCW or leave them with BP/Bolter.

If they are doms, BP/Bolter. If they are BSS in a blob, BP/CCW.

This.

I usually stick with the BP / Bolter, and will only have CCW in the blob when I use it. I find that the BSS rarely get to their I in CC, especially the Sgt who will accept the challenge of some beast melee Lord or other....

I find the Heavy flamer killing the chargers on over-watch more effective than the sgt is in melee

**MrFlutterPie**

All my Superiors use bolters expect for the blob. Which was unfortunate as I realized i didn't have a bolt pistol ccw sister painted up when I wanted to run Jackie boy and his death blob

I had to paint one up a day before my game. Good thing I had a model lying around.

**BlackTalos**

If there's one thing i hope they bring back in a new Codex, it's "Power Weapons" options for the Seraphim. Rather than the current "Power Sword" Restriction.

Power Lances tend to work quite well with Hit and Run... And looks pretty awesome, shameless plug:

Spoiler:

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Nice indeed. My Saint Celestine has a power lance too. With a fleur de lys as the spear tip, and a lion's head around the handle. Old Bretonnian SC bitz.

**Furyou Miko**

Mine as well, sort of - She has an Impaler, since she's actually Ephrael Stern post-Commoragh.

**BlackTalos**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Mine as well, sort of - She has an Impaler, since she's actually Ephrael Stern post-Commoragh.

Much like !

Especially the Receipt-done-lightbox. That's pretty smart. Does that helmet have blood on it?

**Zefig**

Mine could arguably be considered a lance...

**PanzerLeader**

@zefig: Awesomeness squared!

**SisterSydney**

BlackTalos wrote:
If there's one thing i hope they bring back in a new Codex, it's "Power Weapons" options for the Seraphim. Rather than the current "Power Sword" Restriction.

Power Lances tend to work quite well with Hit and Run... And looks pretty awesome, shameless plug:

Spoiler:

Equally shameless plug: homebrewed Sororitas jump troops with power lance and storm shield.

**BlackTalos**

Zefig wrote:
Mine could arguably be considered a lance...

Spoiler:

Notice me Sempaaiiii. I've already told you I followed your step by step guide to make mine right?

SisterSydney wrote:
Equally shameless plug: homebrewed Sororitas jump troops with power lance and storm shield.

If only my local Meta accepted Home-brew. I'm already pretending the Codex says Lance

Lucky it's a digital dex and people don't want to look at it too closely...

A really Good Fan-dex though, i hope GW takes notice...

**SisterSydney**

Thanks. I should probably put some kind of "GW, please steal this" notice on it.

**MacPhail**

Got seriously destroyed tonight by a different DE army than last week. It sort of went wrong from the beginning when he seized the initiative on me and took out an Exorcist and an Immolator on Turn 1-- all my stuff was pretty exposed in the deployment. Dark Lances popped all my transports by Turn 2 and his jetbikes would run in, shoot about a million splinters at me, then assault-move away out of range. I ended up with a knot of power armor in the middle of the board that he just ground away at with splinter cannons... I got his Mandrakes (Doms), 2 units of Scourges (Rets), and some kind of Elites with his Warlord (Doms + blob), but I couldn't counter his mobility and ended Turn 3 with only an Exorcist, Celestine, and a unit of Dominions in a 1500-point kill point game.

I did enjoy having the extra Dominons and I didn't miss the extra Faith leverage from Simulacra and Priests... but then most of those units never had a chance to use theirs. I think losing the initiative was what turned this one into a rout, but this player was good and really knew his army. I'm struggling with the fact that the Immos have no Fire Points, so to really use Ignore Cover, you have to disembark, and the chance of mounting up again to go after a different target is slim. The Immo itself doesn't get the AoF, so against jink saves they just don't seem effective. The Doms should have been my answer to his jink saves, but they got stranded without transports in the middle of the board with nothing in range while he chewed at my flanks. A Sororitas army with no transports is slooooooooooooow.

Anyway, not to complain, just trying to contribute and of course looking for guidance. The game was fun, the opponent was a good guy, and I enjoy the shop and the staff... Games Workshop on Colorado Blvd. in Denver is one of the better ones I've been in. Very friendly and welcoming, except for the systematic trouncing of a guy with an army from the 90s.

**Furyou Miko**

This is the reason Immolators are out of favour as transports for Dominions - as the old adage goes, "you bail, you fail". Rhinos have two fire points. Repressors more.

**Acidian**

15 points for 3 fire points on each side and AV13. Only downside is losing the choice to take multimelta on the immolator. Pretty nice.

**BlackTalos**

I agree with both above: Either you put Doms in immolators and you jump out when you know you can kill something worth your points and then die.

Or you put them in Repressors and drive around getting more out of each turn of shooting. At which point a Simulacrum might be interesting.