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You could base that on the Gorgon Heavy Transporter.

Fits the bill perfectly. Big, open-topped, transports 50.

Strip the high-armour and the invulnerable save and you're done with a small price decrease.

A Frateris Gorgon is definitely a thing I'd like to do... though it would have an invulnerable save (6++) with the Shield of Faith. Pack it full of Frateris and the Sisters can snarkily call it the "dump truck" or "bucket o'martyrs." (In my headcanon, Battle Sisters don't have a lot of respect for untrained militia who consider themselves warriors for the faith...).

The Hussite is more along the lines of an Ork Trukk -- in fact big enough Frateris mobs can take it as a Dedicated Transport -- but there's no reason not to have a super-heavy equivalent.

I was thinking of just letting the Frateris have, basically, decommissioned Imperial Guard Gorgons. But now that I read your post, I realize that really they'd be much more likely to have some godawful thing jury-rigged out of an ore transporter or the like, so AV 14/14/10 just ain't happening.

Dropping the Gorgon's 5++ on the prow but adding Shield of Faith's 6++ all around is probably a wash in terms of points cost, but dropping AV down to 12/11/10 is losing 8 points of AV, at least -80 points by Ovion's rules of thumb and probably more since this is a superheavy. You'd also lose Amphibious and the option to carry a mortar....but maybe you could pack in even more bodies, I mean passengers.

On Frateris, way not run them as Boyz? Citizen militia hopped up on prayer using makeshift weapons and vehicles while fighting in big blobs is very much an Ork thing, and nets you Stompas, Meks, Trukks, Fightas/Bombas, all with a Gorka Morka Human theme. Get your ramshackle on with a steam powered "Punknought" filled with Frateris Boyz and wielding a Mega Eviserator while "Stompa-ing" across the battlefield being chased by Frateris in "Redneck Tank" Trukks and "Hillbilly Homebrew" Dreds. Remember, Frateris are the dudes that didn't get drafted into the Guard.

Personally, I always wanted to run a bunch of "Thunder Warrior" Nobs supported by "Frateris" Boyz as an Orkish Humie Armie.

SJ

That's definitely the easiest way to run "Mad Max" Frateris -- all you have to do is convince someone to let your Sororitas and Orks be Battle Brothers.....

But either you use a LOT of Gretchin or you make up something about how your Frateris Boyz are hopped up on combat drugs & fanaticism enough to have such good stats.

I personally see Frateris as not good enough for Guard or the WAAAGH! They're more like human Skaven, numerous, disposable, barely competent, and cowardly without the right leadership (read: Priests). I even homebrewed up an "improvised weapons" rule that lets their heavy weapons explode on them... very Skavenish.

I'll definitely have to redo those units next, since my original Mad Max Frateris homebrew predates the current Codex:Adepta Sororitas.

No need for Sisters to be Battle Bros with Frateris, AoC is fine.

SJ

If they're Battle Brothers (Sisters) with the Guard, it would be very strange for them to be Allies of Convenience with the other half of the Ecclesiarchy's military force. I guess you could run your Frateris Boyz as "gee these guys are a little weak on church doctrine and basic hygiene but we can work with them for now."

 SisterSydney wrote:
If they're Battle Brothers (Sisters) with the Guard, it would be very strange for them to be Allies of Convenience with the other half of the Ecclesiarchy's military force. I guess you could run your Frateris Boyz as "gee these guys are a little weak on church doctrine and basic hygiene but we can work with them for now."

Frateris Militia are not an arm of the Ecclesiarchy military, as the Ecclesiarchy is restricted from having men under arms. They are, however, a self-funded, self-organized citizen militia formed by non-Guardsmen and lead by evangelical street preachers in the name of the God-Emperor of Humanity, making them a potential for trouble in the eyes of the Emperor's Daughters. If you want them as BBs, take them as IG blobs. Personally, I like the Humie Armie angle.

SJ

Legally the Frateris militia aren't a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy, no, you're quite right. Practically they are. They're a diverse and disorganized mass consisting of everything from ordinary faithful citizens, to pious gangsters (comparable to the Sicilian Mafia's attitude towards the Catholic Church), to crazed fringe cultists that the local Cardinal plans to burn at the stake as soon as they stop being useful, to the Cardinal's clerks and personal servants who got guns shoved in their hands. I'd imagine the Sisters of Battle find many of them suspect, a handful of them inspiring, and all of them frustrating. But they are always at least nominally following the Ecclesiarchy's orders and often formally get incorporated into the forces prosecuting a War of Faith. In terms of US history in the 19th century -- there's no modern equivalent that comes to mind -- the Sisters of Battle are the Ecclesiarchy's regular soldiers, professionally trained and always on duty, while the Frateris are the state militia who show up in a crisis with various levels of discipline, training, and sobriety.

But enough fluff! Let's homebrew a nice big transport to pack Frateris into like highly disposable sardines bent on martyrdom!


Frateris Cortege Transport: 300 points
BS:3 Armour:13/12/10 HP:9

Unit Composition: 1 Cortege Transport
Unit Type: Super-heavy vehicle

Wargear:
Four heavy stubbers

Special Rules:
Open-Topped
Shield of Faith

Can't Shoot Out:
Even though the vehicle is open-topped, the troop bay is so deep that passengers may not shoot out of the Cortege Transport.

Fire Points: None

Transport capacity: 50 models

Options:
Replace any heavy stubbier with a heavy flamer: +5 points per weapon.

Design notes


I'd like to make this more ramshackle and awful, but I'm not sure how. I had an idea for a "Pack 'em in" rule whereby you could overload the transport with more than 50 passengers at the risk of them trampeling each other, but that seemed unduly complicated to implement. Ideas?

As Long as the churchtank-y things are called Churchill's. Cuz dat would be hilarious and historically awesome

Your Destroyer post ignores my armour save and causes 3D6 bad pun damage.

Revised Battle Chapel!

Adventus Battle Chapel: 2,000 points

Fluff

BS:4 Armour:14/14/13 HP:27

Unit type: Super-heavy vehicle (Lord of War)

Wargear:
Vulcan Mega-Bolter (main tower)
Inferno Gun (left front tower)
Melta Cannon (right front tower)
Three Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters (one each left, right, and rear)
Holy Light*
Icons of Courage*
Vox Dei*

*The rules for these are in the Rolling Chapel Equipment List.

Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle

Auspex Maximus:
The Battle Chapel's highest tower bristles with arcane sacramental sensors that can detect enemies on an elaborate swiveling mount, the Adventus's Vulcan Mega-Bolter can engage enemy aircraft and ground troops alike.
The Battle Chapel's Vulcan Mega-Bolter has the Interceptor and Skyfire special rules.

Choirs of Thunder:
Songs of praise and pealing bells ring out from the Battle Chapel, clearly audible over the roar of battle.
As long as they are within 12" of the Battle Chapel, any units from Codex:Adepta Sororitas and allied detachments that are Battle Brothers with the Sororitas gain the War Hymns special rule. However, they may only use the "The Emperor Protects" and "Righteousness of the Emperor" hymns.
Any other units lack the faith in the divinity of the Emperor required to benefit from these rules.

Ponderous Beyond Belief:
During its Movement phase, the Adventus Battle Chapel may either move 6" directly forward or pivot up to 45 degrees, but not both.
The Chapel may never move in the Shooting phase.

Transport:
Transport capacity: 120 models. The Battle Chapel may carry Bulky, Very Bulky, and Extremely Bulky models. In addition, it may carry one or two smaller vehicles (but not super-heavy vehicles!), which count as 30 models each; vehicles that are transports may carry models inside without taking up additional room in the Battle Chapel.
Fire Points: 20 on each side, 10 front, and 10 rear.
Access points: One at the front and one on each side.

Options:
May add up to four pairs of side sponsons, each armed with one of the following:
- Exorcist Missile Launcher: 65 points
- Flamestorm Cannon and twin-linked heavy bolter: 50 points
- Magna-Melta: 70 points

Design notes:

Now that the Battle Chapel has swollen to 2,000 points (err, unless Ovion tells me I've screwed up the costing again, always possible), I think the Ecclesiarchy needs something a little lighter to fill the gap between the 2,000 point Chapel and the 750-point Penitent Titan, something roughly equivalent to the Reaver Titan -- and something much less devoted to troop transport than the Battle Chapel: a super-super-heavy tank designed to take on Titans FOR THE GOD-EMPEROR! and win.

So, instead of squashing three Storm Queens together as I did to make the Battle Chapel, I'm squashing a Flameblade and Sword of Light together to make the Saint Jehanne:

Saint Jehanne Ultra-Heavy Assault Tank: 1,140 points


BS:4 Armour: 14/13/12 HP: 18

Wargear:
Melta Cannon (turret): 72" S:10 AP:1 Ordnance 1, Apocalyptic Blast, Melta
Inferno Gun (front hull): Hellstorm S:7 AP:3 Primary Weapon 1
Twin-Linked Multi-Melta (front hull)
Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter (turret cupola)

Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Sororitas Superheavy

Transport capacity: 20 models
Fire points: none.
Access points: one front.

Options:
May add up to two pairs of side sponsons, each armed with one of the following:
- Exorcist Missile Launcher: 65 points
- Flamestorm Cannon and twin-linked heavy bolter: 50 points
- Magna-Melta: 70 points

Design notes:
This is basically welding together a Flameblade (Sororitas Baneblade) and a Sword of Light (Sororitas Shadowsword): 575 points + 505 points = 1,080.
But it can also carry 20 infantry: 40 points.
And it's an Assault Vehicle: 20 points.
Total: 1,140.

Edited 30 Jan. to change the name because "assault basilica" just sounded too silly, even for me

I edited the Battle Chapel because couldn't resist restoring Interceptor to the Vulcan Mega-Bolter. My justification is that the highest tower of the Chapel bristles with "arcane sacramental sensors" that can see all sorts of enemies coming.

 SisterSydney wrote:
I edited the Battle Chapel because couldn't resist restoring Interceptor to the Vulcan Mega-Bolter. My justification is that the highest tower of the Chapel bristles with "arcane sacramental sensors" that can see all sorts of enemies coming.

hng

Yes, I know you consider that OTT & OP. I consider it pure fething awesome. Bye-bye, Necron Croissants! Bye-bye, Vendetta Squadron! Bye-bye, Tyranid Harridan!

 SisterSydney wrote:
Yes, I know you consider that OTT & OP. I consider it pure fething awesome. Bye-bye, Necron Croissants! Bye-bye, Vendetta Squadron! Bye-bye, Tyranid Harridan!

Nah, just joking.

I just thought the weapon would turn too slowly to do hunt superfast flyers effectively.

Even the mighty Phantom Titan only has small secondary missile launchers for AA.

Maybe just stick 4 or so Quadguns on it and call it a day?

Slow pivot is a potential problem -- which is why I justified it as saying not only is there a special mount but the VMB is cued by long range sensors, so it's not actually just noticing your aircraft when it comes on the board, it's been tracking you miles out and started slewing to track before you ever left Reserves....


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And remember this very much is a Not A Titan. It is slow, unmaneuverable, and utterly without melee attacks, with its strengths in firepower, durability, and, oh yeah, having 120 fething Battle Sisters or four Penitent Engines onboard. Lots of GW rules talk about this vehicle or that being a mobile fortress, but the Battle Chapel really is one, in ways both good and bad. Its tactical role is to plow ahead, escorted by ordinary-sized units -- remember foot troops can walk fast enough to keep up with this thing! -- and providing long-range firepower in return, until it reaches what is hopefully now a weak point in the enemy line and the great front doors swing open so your shock troops can pour out.

So that your mighty SoB can charge in with their 2 WS3 S3 I3 attacks per model? Lethal stuff. But what do I know, they might get 2D6 S10 AP1 attacks in melee due to AoF SUPERPOWERS or whatever, I don't have the codex.

And remember that this is less than half the price of a Phantom!

Standard Sisters will be attacking with the profile you describe, plus Preferred Enemy.

Repentia will be attacking at WS4, S6 AP2, 2d6 Armour Penetration with four attacks, a 6++ and a 3+ FnP. Admittedly, they will be striking at I1, but then... hmm. It needs something to make the victim of the charge I1.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Standard Sisters will be attacking with the profile you describe, plus Preferred Enemy.

Repentia will be attacking at WS4, S6 AP2, 2d6 Armour Penetration with four attacks, a 6++ and a 3+ FnP. Admittedly, they will be striking at I1, but then... hmm. It needs something to make the victim of the charge I1.

...That gak had better be expensive.



A squad of 10 Khorne chosen with 5 flamers, a combiflamer and power mauls should do the trick. 6D3 S4 hits when you charge them, and then 4 S6 I4 attacks per model, cancelling out FNP.

Might as well put Kharn in there for more S6 goodness and rerolls to hit for the whole squad.

Come, Repentia, I've got your repentance for you right here...

Fething expensive squad, but hey, it's apocalypse.

On the other hand, an octa-Destroyer Reaver would do the job just as well, and maul their transport to boot.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Standard Sisters will be attacking with the profile you describe, plus Preferred Enemy.

Repentia will be attacking at WS4, S6 AP2, 2d6 Armour Penetration with four attacks, a 6++ and a 3+ FnP. Admittedly, they will be striking at I1, but then... hmm. It needs something to make the victim of the charge I1.

...That gak had better be expensive.



A squad of 10 Khorne chosen with 5 flamers, a combiflamer and power mauls should do the trick. 6D3 S4 hits when you charge them, and then 4 S6 I4 attacks per model, cancelling out FNP.

Might as well put Kharn in there for more S6 goodness and rerolls to hit for the whole squad.

Come, Repentia, I've got your repentance for you right here...

Fething expensive squad, but hey, it's apocalypse.

On the other hand, an octa-Destroyer Reaver would do the job just as well, and maul their transport to boot.

Repentia are 14pts each, (with a Mistress required every 9), so each unit of 10 is 155, and 120 is 1820pts.

Also, if memory serves, smalle vehicles / walkers took up 15 transport cap each, so that would be up to 8 Penitent Engines.
I would suggest making it that (Penitent take up 15 slots), and then you can have a mix of.
Say 3-6 Penitent Engines, and 30-45 Repentia. Good times.

Oooh, 8 Pengines, nice. I'll edit that in....

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
And remember that this is less than half the price of a Phantom!

The St. Jehanne tank is, yes; the Churchtank is about 20% less:
Jehanne Tanl: 1,440
Reaver Titan: 1,450
Battle Chapel: 2,000
Phantom: 2,500

...an octa-Destroyer Reaver would do the job just as well, and maul their transport to boot.....

Probably. (Do you mean octa- or quad? I thought you could carry one double-barreled destructor per arm = 4 barrels). The range advantage the Reaver has with that load-out vs. the Sisters' melta-cannon would be brutal just by itself, plus it has Void Shields and the Sororitas vehicles don't. I'm mostly going for fluffiness at this point and really don't know how well these would work tactically.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Repentia will be attacking at WS4, S6 AP2, 2d6 Armour Penetration with four attacks, a 6++ and a 3+ FnP. Admittedly, they will be striking at I1, but then... hmm. It needs something to make the victim of the charge I1.

But to actually think tactically for a moment, yes, the first wave out of a Battle Chapel would be Repentia and Penitent Engines. Say two Penitent Engines (taking up space for 30 models), two squads of 10 Repentia +1 Priest +1 independent character (24 models), plus 60 Retributors (or whatever) to fire out of the 60 fire points, plus a Canoness with her Sororitas Command Squad (6 models). The PEs and Repentia sweep what's left of the enemy after the preliminary bombardment, the Retributors etc. come out second and secure the position.

The St. Jehanne just carries 20 infantry, it's a "by the way" capability like the transport capacity on many Baneblade variants, so I'd either do all Repentia or 10 Repentia w/ Priest & IC (12 models) plus Canoness w/ SCS & Priest (7 models) and, uh, one other person: say an Inquisitor, an Assassin, a Palatine or something else I homebrew later.....


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PS: When I say "Priest" I really mean Chorister.

Actually, you are thinking of Warhounds.

Reavers can take one Laser Blaster per arm and one twin Turbolaser on the back.

3+3+2=8

And I agree about tactics. Who gives a feth about that? I have a custom apocalypse High Command formation consisting of the Glacier Serpents leadership & bodyguard. 3000 points for a squad of 26 models that will be wiped in one turn by a Octa-Destroyer Reaver. But it's awesome and it's fun. Nobody with a shred of honour will attack that with D-weapons, they will use their own hardest Apocalypse melee deathstars and make an epic battle!

But otherwise I quite like your stuffs.

I enjoy making them and I enjoy the feedback even more -- all my homebrew threads have gotten consistently constructive (and occasionally hilarious) comments.

The Battle Chapel is just a terrible Titan killer: For 2,000 points you get one Destroyer weapon that doesn't even have great range by Titanic standards. But with the short-range firepower from Inferno gun, sponsons, and fire points, it should annihilate regular-sized units far more efficiently as it moves to its assault objective.

Moves slooooowly... four turns just to cross the 24" no-mans-land between deployment zones!

PS: My 4-year-old son, who is currently cuddling me half-naked in my home office chair, insists your avatar is a girl.....What.

Ahahahaha, that's awesome! Give him a pat on the head.

And doesn't your chapel have 0 D weapons? The melta weapon is S10 afaik.

Also, I think you should change vehicle size to 20 models. They are not THAT big.

Oh, you're right, Melta Cannon s S10. Ha! Not only is the Battle Chapel not a Titan killer, any Titan is a Battle Chapel Killer. And that makes the St. Jehanne pretty sad versus Titans too. Maybe I need to homebrow a giant Exorcist Missile Launcher that fires Destroyer missiles?

30 spaces per vehicle is what the IA:Apocalypse book says for the only vehicle in there that carries multiple vehicles, the Tau Manta mega-dropship.

 SisterSydney wrote:
Moves slooooowly... four turns just to cross the 24" no-mans-land between deployment zones!

Y'know, put like that, a 6" maximum move is pretty crippling. I think I'll cut the -50 point "Ponderous" disadvantage down to -20 or something and rewrite it as follows:

During its Movement phase, the Adventus Battle Chapel may either move up to 12" directly forward or pivot in place up to 90 degrees, but not both.
The Chapel may never move in the Shooting phase.

That gets you across no-man's-land in two turns instead of four and potentially across the entire table by the end of the game.

Agreed about the movement, but Tau vehicles take much more space than Imperial Rhino-sized vehicles do. Look at the models and tell me 20 doesn't make more sense!


TBH, it doesn't actually need a Titankiller weapon. To me it seems more like an 'anchor' for your advancing battleline. A big nasty foundation.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Also, I think you should change vehicle size to 20 models. They are not THAT big.

SisterSydney wrote:Oh, you're right, Melta Cannon s S10. Ha! Not only is the Battle Chapel not a Titan killer, any Titan is a Battle Chapel Killer. And that makes the St. Jehanne pretty sad versus Titans too. Maybe I need to homebrow a giant Exorcist Missile Launcher that fires Destroyer missiles?

30 spaces per vehicle is what the IA:Apocalypse book says for the only vehicle in there that carries multiple vehicles, the Tau Manta mega-dropship.

Large Vehicles, such as Tanks take up 30.

I remember it used to be (though for the life of me can't find it), that Large Vehicles / Tanks were 30, small vehicles (land speeders, pirahnas and such) and dreads, were 15.

I insist 20 for anything smaller than a Land Raider, because, well, just look at the model size!

But whatever keeps your watercraft on the surface.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
I insist 20 for anything smaller than a Land Raider, because, well, just look at the model size!

But whatever keeps your watercraft on the surface.

To Math it out a bit, and have a sensible, logical way of doing it:
Floorspace wise, a LR is about equivalent to about 23 25mm bases.
A Predator, roughly 16.
A rhino, is equivalent to 11.
A Land Speeder is about equivalent to 7-8.
A Dreadnought, about 5.

If we attempt to account for any extra height, weight and bulk, and just double and round it, you get about 45 a Land Raider (or equiv large vehicle), 30 A Predator (or equiv standard vehicle), 20 a Rhino (or equiv mid vehicle), 15 a Land Speeder (or equiv small vehicle) and about 10 per dread (or equiv 60mm base).

Centurions (50mm base) are 3, Terminators (40mm base) are 2, and regular guys (25mm base) are 1, so I feel the above spaces for vehicles would be about accurate.