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Both skorpius variants are out for me until they go down in points again.

 DarkHound wrote:
Yeah, I think that's a huge design oversight on the boats. It'd have been so easy to future-proof it like every other Marine vehicle with 12. That might get changed with a new codex. The Transvector holds 6 rather than 5, so maybe it's something they're aware of.

But hey, I footslog my infantry so it doesn't bother me too much.

This assumes that the Primus can't take a 'command squad' equivalent or that we're getting just the Primus....

That had crossed my mind as well, but there's not much to speculate on yet. There's a lot of existing Skitarii lore that they aren't using, so it's more likely they'll just make up something new. But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets a personal retinue including some advisers.

It would be pretty cool to get Doctrines back as psuedo orders (not that I was playing when they existed). There's lots of stuff they could do with the Primus downloading specific routines for the combat situation at hand. The reveal so far implies he's not a beatstick, so he'll probably have alternating buffs ala the Holy Orders and Canticles. I think our rotating buffs are distinct enough from IG Orders that we could stand to have a command structure.

I disagree with regards to "he's not a beatstick".

They have a stick with a skull on it for mechnically rearranging skulls via the Motive Force and a scabbard for a sword at their waist.

This is the best day since the Skorpius release. They can stop releasing products for AdMech for a long time after this release, we're pretty much a complete army if we get a Skitarii HQ.

My wishlisting:
- Around 50-70 pts
- Can fight well in CC
- 5 Wounds, TOUGHNESS 4 PLEASE Skitarii are not flimsy they're made of metal
- Allows different activable buffs to either ranged or melee like the Ordos, or Doctrinas of yore, so that we can tailor our playstyle around a theme we like
- Has a bit of variety with gear choice and aesthetic, to do either a Vanguard or Ranger style Primus
- Maybe a dual kit to build one of two different datasheets ? Each with a different focus ?

 Aaranis wrote:
This is the best day since the Skorpius release. They can stop releasing products for AdMech for a long time after this release, we're pretty much a complete army if we get a Skitarii HQ.

My wishlisting:
- Around 50-70 pts
- Can fight well in CC
- 5 Wounds, TOUGHNESS 4 PLEASE Skitarii are not flimsy they're made of metal
- Allows different activable buffs to either ranged or melee like the Ordos, or Doctrinas of yore, so that we can tailor our playstyle around a theme we like
- Has a bit of variety with gear choice and aesthetic, to do either a Vanguard or Ranger style Primus
- Maybe a dual kit to build one of two different datasheets ? Each with a different focus ?

Not even the Serberys are T4... sad beep. Admech deserve so much more in models and rules that I dont want to start that discussion a billionth time lol.
However we got a lot of movement and a 2nd tank mainly. We still lack a bit of stuff. A big meatstick HQ, a fast HQ, Infantry with anti tank weaponry, some more resilient elite/fast attack choices. and then there is the Cult part of the army that only got 2 HQs since its release. A big mechanical monstrosity for ~300+ points would be great, a tank, some elite priest group that arent naked crossfitters. Additionally there are a lot of flavorful units they could add.

Yes there could always be more variety, I'm thinking the Myrmidon stuff etc. but no other faction is going to get the variety the Astartes line gets. Even Drukharis don't have a fast HQ option and they're the faction that would use it the most :/ I think our army has a lot of different tools and can work really well in different scenarios at the moment, but that's my opinion of course.

Seeing the leaks (or should I say discreet previews) about the V9 codices of both Astartes and Necrons, I think we can assume every faction is going to get richer rules, and more interesting and thematic dogmas/chapter traits. We're really far away from our codex since the first announced are to release in October but I'm quite positive it'll be great.

 Aaranis wrote:
This is the best day since the Skorpius release. They can stop releasing products for AdMech for a long time after this release, we're pretty much a complete army if we get a Skitarii HQ.

My wishlisting:
- Around 50-70 pts
- Can fight well in CC
- 5 Wounds, TOUGHNESS 4 PLEASE Skitarii are not flimsy they're made of metal
- Allows different activable buffs to either ranged or melee like the Ordos, or Doctrinas of yore, so that we can tailor our playstyle around a theme we like
- Has a bit of variety with gear choice and aesthetic, to do either a Vanguard or Ranger style Primus
- Maybe a dual kit to build one of two different datasheets ? Each with a different focus ?

I'd be all about this, as right now it feels like all of our HQ choices are just buff bots, with the exception of the Engineseer who is more of a filler HQ. So having something more proactive in terms of combat or shooting would be interesting to say the least.

I'd also like to see something like Rust Stalkers moved to Troops so we have an actual melee option for troops, as right now all we really have is Breachers, which are still a shooting unit.

Anyone got any idea of the Battlescribe 9tg Ed release schedule? Just so I can stop hunting and refreshing etc

- There won't be any publicly released 9e data until 2020-07-25 00:00 GMT at the earliest.
- It is likely to actually happen a few days later, as is the usual.
- We do not release data until the public street date of the publication it is in.
- The 9e datafiles will be just an update to the 8e files, replacing them via normal data updates.


We are working on it.
Currently QA is taking place and making very good progress. Early next week is probable.
Its a pretty massive task and we're not getting the source material any earlier than your average joe.

 Thairne wrote:
- There won't be any publicly released 9e data until 2020-07-25 00:00 GMT at the earliest.
- It is likely to actually happen a few days later, as is the usual.
- We do not release data until the public street date of the publication it is in.
- The 9e datafiles will be just an update to the 8e files, replacing them via normal data updates.


We are working on it.
Currently QA is taking place and making very good progress. Early next week is probable.
Its a pretty massive task and we're not getting the source material any earlier than your average joe.

Thanks!

 Thairne wrote:
- There won't be any publicly released 9e data until 2020-07-25 00:00 GMT at the earliest.
- It is likely to actually happen a few days later, as is the usual.
- We do not release data until the public street date of the publication it is in.
- The 9e datafiles will be just an update to the 8e files, replacing them via normal data updates.


We are working on it.
Currently QA is taking place and making very good progress. Early next week is probable.
Its a pretty massive task and we're not getting the source material any earlier than your average joe.

Thanks for the update a a heartfelt thank you to everyone involved in updating the BattleScribe data files!

<3

After seeing the 40k app, after laughing our behinds off, we redoubled our efforts to provide

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 Thairne wrote:
<3

After seeing the 40k app, after laughing our behinds off, we redoubled our efforts to provide

Yeah you and me both. I work in app & Web development and its clearly been released ahead of being ready for whatever reason.

Hey guys how does a 2k list look like in your minds?

atm i really have problems to write a list =/

maybe you got some advice?

first thougts:


the servitors are in because i got 30 points left

Engine War FAQ up for us, it seems. I don't recall seeing it mentioned before.

Notables:

Page 40 – Archaeopter Transvector Add ‘Skitarii’ to this unit’s Faction keyword line.
Page 41 – Archaeopter Stratoraptor Add ‘Skitarii’ to this unit’s Faction keyword line.
Page 42 – Archaeopter Fusilave Add ‘Skitarii’ to this unit’s Faction keyword line.

Q: Can the Mechanicus Locum Stratagem be used to give characters other than your warlord one of the Holy Order Warlord Traits?
A: No. The Character is only considered your Warlord for the purposes of the Warlord Trait itself, not for what Warlord Traits it has access to.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/UmXOUOqTko49pABx.pdf

Here are some fixes in our updated Faq.

Archaopter is now legally skitarii.
Pteraxii Alpha also has talons.
Forgeworld canticle schenanigans are removed.

Can someone please explain this to me?
Q: Can the Mechanicus Locum Stratagem be used to give
characters other than your warlord one of the Holy Order
Warlord Traits?
A: No. The Character is only considered your Warlord for the
purposes of the Warlord Trait itself, not for what Warlord Traits
it has access to.

Also, when you now move only one model in a unit, the whole unit counts as moved. Would that mean our arquebus cant fire? Or would that mean it can fire at a minus 1 if the model stood still?

 0XFallen wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/UmXOUOqTko49pABx.pdf

Here are some fixes in our updated Faq.

Archaopter is now legally skitarii.
Pteraxii Alpha also has talons.
Forgeworld canticle schenanigans are removed.

Can someone please explain this to me?
Q: Can the Mechanicus Locum Stratagem be used to give
characters other than your warlord one of the Holy Order
Warlord Traits?
A: No. The Character is only considered your Warlord for the
purposes of the Warlord Trait itself, not for what Warlord Traits
it has access to.

Also, when you now move only one model in a unit, the whole unit counts as moved. Would that mean our arquebus cant fire? Or would that mean it can fire at a minus 1 if the model stood still?

Yeah no idea what's the intent of the question, and neither do I know what the answer mean, it's worded very weirdly.

It feels like the anwser isnt related to the question

Mechanicus Locum is the stratagem that lets us give a non-Warlord a Warlord Trait, while allowing that character to count as your Warlord for the purposes of the trait.

The Holy Order Warlord Traits(Genetor, Logos, Magos, Artisan) require a model to be your Warlord.

It's a way of preventing multiple Holy Orders.

they...all require your model to be your warlord to get a warlord trait in general.

The Holy Order is not worded any differently than the base warlord traits.

I agree with 0XFallen, i feel like that answer doesnt go with that question. That is really confusing.

It really isn't though.

Who can take a Holy Order?
Your Warlord.
What does Mechanicum Locus do?
Allows you to give a non-Warlord character a Warlord Trait, which will let them count as your Warlord for the purposes of the trait that you give them.

So does this mean only 1 holy order trait for the entire army? It really makes no sense question and answer XD

Yes, it means one Holy Order per army.

It really isn't that complex. It's just disappointing to people, so they make it seem complex.

Hm k, ouch

Where did we land on Destroyers? I know everyone has been talking about Breachers, but I've been having a lot of success with 2 squads of Plasma Destroyers and a Manipulus to extend their range. You can basically hit nearly the whole board fairly hard.

Have had a lot success against MSU Chaos marine squads with the Fusilave Bomb Rack as well. Admittedly my dice have been pretty hot (this happens once every ten years or so - given there are no tourneys to go to, it would make sense for it to happen now), but I'm loving this thing and seriously thinking about adding a second one. Am I crazy with that?

EDITED:

Because I said "MSU Marine Squads" but meant "MSU CHAOS Marine" squads ...

 0XFallen wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/UmXOUOqTko49pABx.pdf
Also, when you now move only one model in a unit, the whole unit counts as moved. Would that mean our arquebus cant fire? Or would that mean it can fire at a minus 1 if the model stood still?

That's been the case at least since the beginning of 8th, maybe even 7th. If a single model in a unit moves the entire unit is counted as moving.

Also the arquebus rules specifically say that if it moves it cant fire. No other rules override that.

Honestly, for most games I'm just going to ask my opponent to ignore that Holy Order FAQ. It's not an errata, it doesn't change the words. RAW, the holy orders and their surrounding text has exactly the same text as any other Warlord traits. If that FAQ sets a precedent, then they just broke how additional Warlord trait stratagems work in general. "Ah, yes Mr. Space Marine, your Lieutenant would count as your Warlord for the text of that trait. But you see, he isn't actually your Warlord so you can't be given that trait in the first place."

If they want to limit Mechanicus Locus to 1, that's fine. Most other similar traits are limited. If they want to limit to one Holy Order per army (or better per detachment), that's fine too. They just need to change the text. The trouble is, I don't think there's any other trait in the game that specifically requires it be taken on your Warlord exclusively.

And actually, Imperial Knights also got a new set of Warlord traits in the same book. They've got the same wording, but there's no FAQ on Exalted Court affecting those traits.

Haha yeah it almost feels like the author of that Q&A response was salty from being on the receiving end of stacking Mechanicus Ordos haha.

 DarkHound wrote:
Honestly, for most games I'm just going to ask my opponent to ignore that Holy Order FAQ. It's not an errata, it doesn't change the words. RAW, the holy orders and their surrounding text has exactly the same text as any other Warlord traits. If that FAQ sets a precedent, then they just broke how additional Warlord trait stratagems work in general. "Ah, yes Mr. Space Marine, your Lieutenant would count as your Warlord for the text of that trait. But you see, he isn't actually your Warlord so you can't be given that trait in the first place."

If they want to limit Mechanicus Locus to 1, that's fine. Most other similar traits are limited. If they want to limit to one Holy Order per army (or better per detachment), that's fine too. They just need to change the text. The trouble is, I don't think there's any other trait in the game that specifically requires it be taken on your Warlord exclusively.

And actually, Imperial Knights also got a new set of Warlord traits in the same book. They've got the same wording, but there's no FAQ on Exalted Court affecting those traits.

You're all blowing this way out of proportion.

You never, ever, ever should have expected to be able to take more than one.
Taking a Holy Order requires the model to be your Warlord.

If an Adeptus Mechanicus Character model (excluding named characters) is your Warlord, you can select a Warlord Trait from below for them instead of using the Warlord Traits table from Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus.

Mechanicus Locum:

Use this Stratagem before the battle after nominating your Warlord. Select one <Forge World> Character model from your army that does not have a Warlord Trait and determine one Warlord Trait for it; it is regarded as your Warlord for the purposes of that Warlord Trait. Each Warlord Trait in your army must be unique (if randomly generated, re-roll duplicate results).

Holy Order has a specific set of 'boxes' you have to tick, and that is "Is this model your Warlord?". If Yes--congrats, you can go to step two: "Is this model a named character?". If no--congrats, you can give them a Holy Order.